Camille Guaty; Dr. Daisy Ayim; Karmen LaMer; Sagar Sheth; Emily Hayden

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and our expert on the microphone series, today we're joined
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medical aesthetics field. Carmen is going to join me today
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to knives and needles, and how, of course products like
CO two lift can enhance results and recovery. As we
recognize National Infertility Awareness Week. In today's Polish Beauty segment,
with Triple Board certified cosmetic surgeon and obgion doctor Daisieme,
who deeply understands the complexities of fertility and infertility, We're

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going to dive into what is impacting millions of women IVF,
egg donation and fertility preservation with actress HBO's duster Camille Gwatti.
She's openly shared her emotional journey with infertility ultimately welcoming
her son through donor conception. In the seven to ten
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Gwatty and doctor Daisy Aim chatting IVF, donor eggs and
the emotional truth behind fertility struggles. You're listening to a

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Then Zam's welcome back to the Polished Beauty segment, where
we're diving into a topic that affects millions IVF, egg
donation and fertility preservation with us is actress Camille Gwatti,
who has openly shared her emotional journey with infertility, ultimately
welcoming her son through donor conception. You may recognize her

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from her incredible performance on screen, including HBO's Duster, where
she portrays a fierce truck driver navigating single motherhood in
the nineteen seventies, and joining us, of course as our
expert co contributor. The amazing Doctor dais Aime triple Board
certified cosmetic surgeon and obgin and founder of the Polish
Beauty podcast. She deeply understands the complexities of fertility and infertility.

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This week, as we recognize National Infertility Awareness Week, We're
going to break down the stigmas, discuss the science, and
shed light on the hope that medical advancements are bringing.
We're going to get into it right now, chatting donor
eggs and the emotional truth behind fertility struggles. Welcoming now
to the show is the incredible Camille Gwatti and Doctor Daisieme.

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Welcome to the show, superstars.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yes, thank you for having me. This is a very
special week. It's very important to me and a lot
of people, so I really appreciate being here this week.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
You are a Trailblazer and your last interview with US
touched so many people. Infertility effects one in eight couples
in the US, if not more. Yet, despite how common
it is, many women still feel a very deep sense
of isolation and shame. Studies are showing that nearly sixty
one percent of women going through infertility do not openly
discuss their journey, often out of fear or societal pressure.

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Now you've been refreshingly open about your experience five rounds
of IVF, IUI, and ultimately donor conception. What made you
decide to share your story so publicly and how has
that vulnerability impacted you and many others.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I remember going through so much emotional struggle, physical struggle,
financial struggle.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
And.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Ultimately we ended up choosing doing our conception to have
our child.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
And at the end of it all, I remember I
was pregnant and my publicist said, hey, people.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Magazine want to do an announcement with you and your pregnancy,
and I was like, oh, And.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
I just had this like moral kind of moment with myself.

Speaker 8 (06:40):
Two things.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
I didn't want to be that woman that was celebrating
my pregnancy and having other women look at it and
say oh, well, she did it at forty, then I
can do it too. I felt like it was a
giant lie one but two, I also wanted to celebrate it.
I didn't want to feel I felt so.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Much shame in this process.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I felt I still felt shame when I was pregnant,
and I wanted to overcome that. And I felt like,
if I stepped into the truth of my story, of
my husband's story, of our family building story, why can't
we just celebrate that and I tell people that and
then hopefully this will help heal me and it will

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help heal others that were listening. And I had to
have a chat with my husband because he was not
on board.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
He wanted to keep this secret at first.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
And I said, I think being secret about it makes
me feel like there was a problem, and I think
without that, you take that secret away and you talk
about the truth, then it's not a problem. Right Then
it becomes just another way that we decided to have
a baby as a obijui and that I have heavy

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fertility patients and practice.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
I get the emotional roller coaster havoc that comes with
that process. It can be endless, financial circles, emotional you
name it and the idea of having donog For a
woman that has always felt that she would have her
own child, it's huge for her to reconcile.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
That, be okay with it, and move forward.

Speaker 9 (08:23):
So I applaud you for bringing your story out loud
what I wanted to kind of if you can allow
me to ask you go deeper on how did you
work that process aligning yourself with the ideology of you know,
you're not genetically bound to your child, but it is
your child if you.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Think about it, all those times that I tried to
get pregnant, I envisioned what that child was going to
look like.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
So my heart was beyond broken, beyond broken.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
I was mad at the world.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
I was mad at God, I was mad at myself,
I was mad at my husband, I was mad at
every woman who was pregnant. The whole world was a
giant trigger to me, and I hated it and I.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Couldn't go to baby showers.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
I had to stop following people on Instagram. And my
husband said, you know, donor conception was always on the table,
and because it was made a great doctrine, who was
I was like, and over here there's donor egg.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
I was always so mad.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
I'm like, stop it, there's.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
Nothing wrong with me. I'm fine, this is gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
And whenever donor conception was brought up to me, I
felt like a failure.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
I felt like I was old.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
I felt like my husband was going to be less
attracted to me.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
I felt like he would be more.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Connected to the child than me.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean, the list goes on, and I finally got
to this place where at first the egg don whoever
she was at the time, she was she wasn't anybody,
but she used to make me feel jealous and all
of the things that I told you, And somewhere along

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the line, I just had this aha moment and I
shifted my lens and I saw this woman as just
an angel. I mean, here was this woman who is
it's gonna make me cry. Here's this woman who was
giving me, like the ability to carry my child, the

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ability to be a.

Speaker 10 (10:34):
Mom in a different way that adoption couldn't. I wouldn't
be able to experience, and also not being able to
have my own genetics.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
I obviously couldn't do that, but I was able to carry.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
So I decided, I said, you know, well, if I'm
able to carry Why don't I allow myself to experience
motherhood this way?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
So I'm going to fast forward to twenty nineteen. After
years of struggle, you finally welcomed your beautiful son, Morrison Raphael. Okay,
I want to give him that grand entrance that he
deserves because we've been talking about this and now here
we go. And when you look at parents who go
through IVF experience, they do experience intense joy and many

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also report, you know, a lingering anxiety, perhaps as a
result of years of emotional and physical toll. So when
you held him for the first time, what emotions flooded
over you? And how has your specific experience shaped your
perspective on motherhood.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
I mean, I think I was in shock when I
first held him. I also did something really cool, but
I told my doctor.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
That it's going to sound really weird, but you're an OBG,
like this is you know, this is a woman's well,
it's not really women's issues, women and men's issue. But
I wanted to grab him out of me and like
take him out, and the doctor allowed.

Speaker 11 (12:06):
Me to do that, and I just I remember, like
that feeling of just having this baby that was in
my belly.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And here he is, and he's on top of me
right now, and his heartbeat and his cry and his
everything was so a part of me that I, like,
you don't see any of the other.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Things that existed.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Now the fears, I have to say, and I'm honest
with this, fears don't just go away, right, They don't
just go away like itty split. I still I knew
what my triggers were gonna be. Then they change right now.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I had different.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Triggers like, oh, what does everybody love to say about
a baby? Oh my gosh, she looks so much like you.
Oh he looks so much like Oh, here's your daddy's nose.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
O da da da da.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
And that was to be my biggest trigger, like I'm
not gonna look like my baby, and that's okay, but
this is an opportunity to like tell people the story.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
So Camille, knowing.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
What you know now, I mean, your story is just
powerful and beautiful. I get that conversation here in office,
and I've seen those tears. I've been the shoulder for
those patients to cry on, and you know, it gets
me emotional because because of that, I decided at thirty
seven to go and freeze my eggs. So that was
where your mother because I had the privilege to encounter

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women that have been through this path and it was
almost like a light bulb in my head that went up,
and I.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Thought, let me do this for me, right.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
But knowing what you know now, if you had to
look back, would you have done egg freezing at a
younger age? And what would you say to Litanus out
there when it comes to that.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Uh freezer ex I say to everybody and I and
I hate it that I'm like the little detective, but
I'm talking to women and they're going off and I'm like,
it happened the other day.

Speaker 8 (14:07):
Actually, So how old are you?

Speaker 7 (14:09):
Like? Have you ever considered freezing your eggs?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
God, it's expensive.

Speaker 12 (14:13):
I was like, well look into it, you know, get
a credit card, do it. It's a tricky question for
me because if I didn't go through the journey that
I went through, I wouldn't have my son. But if
we take Morrison added the equation, would I have frozen
what I have frozen my eggs? Yes, I would have

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said absolutely, Why because it's power women.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
This is freezing.

Speaker 13 (14:41):
Your eggs is giving your self power, It's giving yourself
an assurance for its or insurance for the future, for
your future, you can get rid of this idea of this.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know that we live with.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
This ticking clock, ticking clock.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
And it's not fair that we have to live with that,
and the men don't I back that one thousand percent.

Speaker 9 (15:03):
I wanted to just ask you know, in futility is
such an isolating event.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
It can be very shameful.

Speaker 9 (15:08):
Just like you mentioned, women sort of punish themselves for
not seeing that and living in a society where being
a mother in some ways is held as the beacon
of feminism or being a woman. If you don't have
that ability, it becomes really hard. So I want to know,
is there any words of hope and encouragement that you
can give to that woman listening to this that's going

(15:31):
through this journey currently.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Number one is you are not alone, And it's it's
kind of a slogan that I've taken on, but it's
the truth. I feel now more than ever, there is
such a community out there, and if you need to
be private about the issues that you're going.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Through, that's okay, because this is.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
The one area where I think social media is amazing
that we have direct messaging, you do the hashtags infertility,
hashtag IVF, and you will find a community of women out.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
There that are willing to speak, willing to help.

Speaker 13 (16:20):
There's chat groups, top groups, there's even courses.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
That you can take, and I speak on the panel
sometimes and there are women and men that are going
through the same thing as you are. Trust me, your
story is not lettinglan.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Let's talk on that the men. So let's talk about
the role of partners in this journey, because studies show
that infertility can place immense strain on relationships. In fact,
like forty eight percent of couples report feeling a heightened
emotional toll. Now, your husband, sigh, was by your side
through it all. Yes, how did you both navigate the

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ups and downs together? And what advice do you have
for couples facing similar challenges.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
I mean, I'll say it to him blue in the face,
but I feel like I feel like therapy saved us.
I think communication number one.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Try to support each other as best as you.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Can, and don't isolate. Don't isolate because the one thing
that my husband said to me when we were going
through this is I was so angry and I was
so I was just so mad. I was mad at him,
mad at me for starting late, and he said, you know,

(17:38):
this isn't just happening to you, this is happening to us.
And that was so important for me to hear, because
I did feel like I was doing this on my own,
not because of anything he was doing, but I felt
like he just couldn't understand. Well, he doesn't know, he
doesn't know what this feels like, but yes he does

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not to not the physical part.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Of it, but emotionally it's as devastating for.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
The man if this is, if it's not the man
that has the issues, as devastating for them as it
is for us.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And in light of National and Fertility Awareness Week, it's
definitely about shedding light on these conversations and breaking the stigma.
So for those of you listening who are in the
midst of their own fertility struggles, I hope this segment
truly truly helps you feel encouraged and find your own community.
But I know that Camille, you are extremely transparent and open.

(18:33):
Definitely head to her page because I know she's gonna
she's gonna reciprocate right.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Back at Camill Gwatti.

Speaker 14 (18:39):
Right, thank you, Yes of course, anybody who has any questions,
I always say, I'll give you my opinion, my advice.
I'm not a doctor, I'm not a therapist, so do
you know, take my information as you will.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
But yes, I'm here.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
That was the Polished Beauty segment.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Make sure to definitely follow doctor Daisia I'm at the
Polished Beauty podcasts and head to Camille's social media where
you could find her and where she shows her incredible story.
She's extremely transparent and remember infertility is a challenge, not
an identity. You are not alone until next time. You're
listening to a moment of Zen right here on seven
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Speaker 4 (20:06):
I'm your host, Zen.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Sam's up next in the Going Deep segment, brought to
you by CO two Lift in our Expert on the
Microphone series. Today, we're joined by the amazing Carmen Lemaire,
founder of Tight Clinic in Toronto, Canada. Coming from a
corporate background with over fifteen years in the jewelry industry,
at thirty years old, she was diagnosed with cancer, prompting
her to shift her career to health and wellness. Starting

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from scratch in twenty nineteen, her own medical aesthetics clinic.
Tight Clinic was born with Carmen herself performing treatments as
the sole proprietor and practitioner. You fast forward to present day.
Tight Clinic now has two locations and over twenty three
widely versed staff members with a focus on new technology
and growth within the medical aesthetics field. Carmen joins me

(20:52):
today to chat all about combating the aging process without
resorting to knives and needles, and how products like CO
two Lift can enhance was and recovery.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Welcome to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 8 (21:02):
Hi, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Excited to be there.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, so excited to have you on. You are glowing
and beautiful. Can't wait for people to see this segment.
Let's dive right in. So, when it comes to skincare
and aesthetic treatments, there's a long list of options to
combat the aging process, and while many turned to botox
and fillers or even surgical procedures, you're an expert and
advocate for effective solutions that would provide long lasting, dramatic

(21:29):
results without resorting to the knives and needles. Fittingly, when
you look at recent years, there has been a noticeable
shift in patient preferences towards these non invasive or minimally
invasive procedures over surgical options. Now, in your expert opinion,
what do you believe is driving this increasing demand for
non invasive procedures and products.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
So I feel in the last couple of years, people
have really looked at what's out there and what people's
faces have started to look like as they have piled
in fillers and in the botox, and then the term
pillow face was coined and everyone got scared. So I
feel like the trends that are driving in our business

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right now are going to be non invasive skin tightening
with things such as HIPU, which is the high intensity
focused ultrasound, things like micro needling RF, micro needling, tixel,
any sort of things that are going to tighten and
lift the face without adding unnecessary and scary volume to it.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, it's that volume that they're adding, and even behind
your actual facial lines, like tucking behind the ears and
like really hiding it in places where you know it's
going to eventually migrate and you're going to look like
around egg now. I know at tight Clinic you stay
up to date and have the most cutting edge technologies
and the medical grade products on hand, but specifically you

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highlight in Mode FORMA, which is a skin tightening solution
has been used by celebrities like Kim and Courtney, car
Dashian and Christy Chigan and Ashley Tisdale and Emma Robertson.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's just to name a few, So it's quite popular.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
What makes in mode form a standout compared to other
skin tighting treatments?

Speaker 15 (23:10):
So in moode Forma was actually the very first thing
that we offered. It was the very first and only
platform that we had when I first started out.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
And keep in mind, I started out in my condo.

Speaker 15 (23:19):
I couldn't afford a space and a machine, so that
was all that we had, and we were one of
the first in Canada to offer it.

Speaker 8 (23:26):
A lot of the content.

Speaker 15 (23:27):
Creators and a lot of the influencers and a lot
of the general public had heard about this weren't able
to get it here. You had to fly to New
York or fly to la and I believe it was
like six or eight hundred US dollars per session. So
when we brought this in, I was gearing to focus
on everyone from twenty five years old up to sixty
years old. But the twenty five year olds, there's no

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way that they're going to be able to afford eight
hundred US dollars because you have to do six of
them spaced about a week apart. So I priced them
at two fifty and we were incredibly busy. We were
booked months out because again we were the only people
offering this. So the premise behind it was radio frequency
and heat are going to go underneath of your skin,
very not painless at all, uses some ultrasound. Jael feels

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like a hot stone massage on your face. You do
six sessions and it's going to tighten up that jaw,
tighten up your nasal labials, and just rejuvenate the skin
very non invasively. So that's what we started with and
that was our most popular treatment for a very long
time until I went to Japan and Korea last year
because they really know what's happening over there. And I

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went for three weeks and I went to i would
say at least thirty consultations to plastic surgery clinics, to
doctor's offices, to dermatologists, to skins, skins, bas and I
found out what they were doing there, and so we
basically brought back Canada's version of that, which is now
Hifu and the tixel. It's so popular over there, and

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I had never really heard that term before. When I
went there, every single office had like ten different variations
and everyone over there looks so tight like you.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
Can't tell anyone's age. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Wow, this is so proprietary.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
You're getting me very excited, and my listeners are googling
it right now. So let's bring co two Lift into
the picture. As we know, carboxy therapy has been around
since the nineteen thirties injecting carbon dioxide gas underneath the skin,
but COO two Lift was able to remodel this in
a new delivery system as a topical geil mask. And
while it has many monotherapy benefits, it can also be

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used in combo therapies, both pre and post procedure. I
know you're familiar and a big fan of the product.
How does COO two lift fit into your broader treatment plans?
And how have you first hand seen it improve a
patient's results and recovery.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
So when we first received the product, I wasn't Marie.

Speaker 15 (25:46):
You know, there were so many things that come out
and I was like, okay, this is another thing.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
And I know how clients feel about add ons.

Speaker 15 (25:52):
A lot of the time they're like, well I just
spent five hundred or nine hundred or one thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
So I was like, how is like, what is this
and how does it work?

Speaker 15 (26:00):
So my first experience with it was I did something
crazy as very very normal with me. I did quite
an invasive peel and they micro needled it into my face.
Number one, Imagine how much that hurts, and then imagine
after like you're gonna have to do the healing from
the micro needling plus the healing from the peel. I
was terrified, and my lead facialist was like, you need

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to put the CO two mask on. After that, I
was like, anything that's gonna help.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
Fine. So I took a picture hour by hour after
having this mask.

Speaker 15 (26:31):
On, and my face should have been in bad shape
for probably five days, I'm not joking. Within twenty four hours,
I looked completely normal and I was literally shocked. So
now anyone who comes in for anything like even slightly invasive,
if you're doing r of micro needling, if you're doing
Morpheus eight, if you're doing regular micro needling, if you're

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doing Tixel, if you're doing a blade of things to
your eyelids, if you're doing any sort of a blade.

Speaker 8 (26:58):
Of laser, you'll be with us on your face.

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I love this.

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That there's a science behind this. We're not just raving
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Speaker 15 (29:15):
As a starting point, I would definitely, like, first off,
just with the basics, recommend doing a facial quarterly, like
as the seasons change, do a beastpoke facial, Go into
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preventive I think is definitely the key. And then again,
as we were speaking about filler trends changing, we have
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do taste fulfillers. However, this is the year of like
the minimal, and I feel like PRF has been so
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Speaker 4 (30:44):
That's great advice.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Now, lastly, I know you're also the co founder of
the Collective Women's Empowerment Summit. I love that which unites
women from all different backgrounds to connect, grow and drive
meaningful impact. So what inspired you to create this event
and what impact have you seen so far for women
in both your field and others.

Speaker 15 (31:02):
So I feel like when I first started my business,
nobody told me how to do anything, and I had
to find everything out on my own, and it's always
so disappointing and it's always so hard, Like asking people
for help and not being able to get it and
having just to raw dog it try and figure out
what you're doing. Every client that I would get was

(31:23):
from a different industry, and these women would tell me
stories of how they built something incredible from nothing, and
I was so inspired by all of these stories. And
about a year goes by and one of my first clients,
she's a worldwide event producer and she produces events for
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across the world in Singapore and China and in Europe,
and she knows how to put on an incredible, incredible event.
She goes, you know what, You've been telling me these
stories for the past year, and she's like, I really
think we need to unite women and inspire women and
have different panel sessions with people from different industries telling

(32:05):
real stories and really inspiring one another. And so actually,
our inaugural event was last year in March, and we
had five hundred guests at the Park Hyatt. We had
some incredible sponsors. It was the day started at seven am,
it ended at seven pm. It was like the full
meal deal and it was so inspiring. I think everyone

(32:26):
left and making friends. There was like laughter, there was tears.
It was such a beautiful experience. And we benefit the
Canadian Women's Foundation, so everything goes back to a community
that really needs that, and they really need that for
the resources and they're able to do so much with
their initiatives.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
God bless you. Well.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
We are at the end of this date, my dear,
Thank you so much for coming on. You inspired me
and you educated me and our audience, and I had
a lot of fun doing it.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 15 (32:53):
Thank you so much for having me at You're an Angel.
This was so fun and so amazing.

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We're live from the iconic iHeart headquarters and today on
the WORCO Spotlight. In the Expert on the Microphone series,
we're diving into the mindset of a CEO who's steering
one of the most dynamic firms in the financial world.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Sager Chef is the CEO of Roth Capital.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Partners, known for spotting early trends and navigating market shifts
with confidence. Today, we're gonna dive into the hottest trends
shaking up the financial world right now, from the return
of the retail investor to the big question is the
IPO market finally ready to roar back in twenty twenty five.
We're also gonna be breaking down the small cap comeback

(37:31):
as investors set their sites on new growth opportunities, and
of course we're gonna be exploring all of the recent
impact of the trade policies. Now the US economy is
being rebooted with aggressive tactics and it's heading into uncertain waters.
But we're gonna We're here to break it all down
for you.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Don't want to miss this powerhouse conversation.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Now we're gonna unlock the mind of a CEO leading
the charge. Welcome to the show, superstar.

Speaker 17 (37:56):
Ah, thank you so much, love that energy.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Let's chat from the very beginning, from analyst to basically architect.
Let's chat your journey. So your career spans institutions like UBS,
Deutsche Bank, and Morgan Stanley before ultimately stepping into the
role of CEO, first at MKM Partners and now at
Roth Capital Partners after the twenty twenty three acquisition. Now,
in a world where leadership trajectories are rarely linear, your

(38:22):
journey is both impressive and instructive. So what was that
pivotal moment in your career that shifted your path toward
becoming a CEO and what core philosophy carried you through
to the top of this of the finance world. Essentially.

Speaker 17 (38:38):
Yeah, Well, first of all, thank thank you for that
kind recap, And you know, in the spirit of humility,
I still remember what it was like to be twenty
two years old and just try to get my first
job on Wall Street. And admittedly, if life had ended
right after that and I got the job on Wall Street,
I thought that was success. So anything that happened after
that is sort of icing on the cake. And you know,
believe it or not, that's almost a little bit of
the spirit of the philosophy here, is that a lot

(39:01):
of people can work hard, and sometimes timing, good fortune
and fate have a lot to do with it. So
I want to thank the powers above for having those
things aligned for me in my journey. But a couple things,
you know, I bring up the twenty two year old
because quite frankly, my eyes are on the younger generation
these days, and when I think about their rise in
corporate America and what they need to do to navigate

(39:23):
these markets and to actually create opportunities for themselves, that's
actually almost more important to me than my journey in itself.
But one thing that hasn't changed is just one having
a seat at the table knowing how valuable that seat
can be. And one of the philosophies that's helped me
to answer your question would be, make the most of
the seat that you have, excel at that seat, make

(39:44):
that seat larger than life, take advantage of the opportunities
that you can get from having that seat, and then
quite frankly, be ready to lose it all. So one
of the things that I'm ready for. I hope this
doesn't happen tomorrow, but if it does, if I got
fired tomorrow, quite frankly, if I don't operate like that
successful of a CEO, am I going to be, I'm

(40:04):
gonna make decisions that only keep me employed. So quite frankly,
I'm always ready to just be let go tomorrow. And
you know what that's gonna happen for today? What that's
going to do Today, I'm going to make the best
decisions I can for my employees because I'm going to
want to be remembered by something. So I'd say, value
the seat and be ready to lose it. And quite frankly,
those two philosophies have helped a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
In my way. Wow.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
That's powerful.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Wow, especially in an industry that doesn't often allow for reflection,
it's clear your journey hasn't been about checking boxes, but
about building value across every rung of the ladder, and
I love that about you. So which brings me to
my next question leading through economic whipblash. So we're living
in a time of wild economic crosswinds, inflation pressures, rate

(40:47):
cuts on the horizon, and uncertainty across global markets. Leadership
under these conditions is a different beast and it requires
constant recalibration. So how are you approach leadership in such
a turbulent financial landscape? And what mindset do you believe
is non negotiable for CEOs navigating today's economy?

Speaker 17 (41:09):
Everybody out there, don't forget to learn about history because
history is like one of the best ways we can
prepare for the future. But quite frankly, the way I
kind of see our firm right now is the firm
should be set up where, despite what the volatility is,
despite what happens, are we going to have a business
line that wins. In a funny way, I hate to
use this analogy, it's like a casino. The casino tends

(41:31):
to win no matter what they win, fifty one percent
of the time. The casinos set up that if the
slot machines don't work, maybe the blackjack table is going
to work. Maybe the roulette table will work. Sometimes. Hedge funds,
mutual funds, investment banks, we have a similar philosophy where
there are parts of the house that are going to win.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Now, let's talk about the return of the retail investors.
So retail investors are back and in a big way
after cooling off post twenty twenty one, they're re entering
the chat with confidence, especially in sectors like AI and
mytech and evs, And according to Vanda Research, retail trading
volume is now flirting with its memes talk era highs.

(42:07):
Roth sits at quite a unique intersection of retail and
institutional energy. So how is Roth Capital Partners navigating this
convergence of retail and institutional influence And where do you
see smart money quote unquote moving as we head deeper
into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 17 (42:23):
Roth Capital, in particular, our clients are hedge funds, mutual funds,
pension plans. You know, we don't necessarily service retail directly,
but we certainly have our eye on that pool of capital.
So you know, when I think about the market, I
try to split it up into a few categories. And
whether you call it smart money or just money, I
think a lot of the money is smart out there
at this point. Everybody's money smart in my opinion, so

(42:44):
hedge funds, mutual funds, pension plans, sovereign wealth, family offices, retail.
I've got my eye on each one of those segments.
The one thing I'd say about retail that's probably different
than ten or twenty years ago is the amount of
information and tools that retail invents have today. You cannot
ignore that. So stocks can move, they can work together

(43:06):
to move things. We've seen the social media forums x
and Reddit where there could be a lively discussion that
can actually move a stock, and you can't ignore that.
So I think retail money is smarter than it's ever
been before, and I think there can be a lot
of conviction and everyone searching for opportunities in this volatility
that we had.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, it's fascinating because retail investors come to think of
it no longer just they're no longer just noise. They're
a signal. And the frends that adapt to that new
power structure will without a doubt lead the next generation
of capital markets.

Speaker 17 (43:36):
And I'd say one other thing is that, and you
and I talked about this earlier. It's just think of
how easy it is to access the market in twenty
twenty five. Everybody can trade on their cell phone now
all over the world. So this retail trend isn't just
something in the US. One of the fastest growing segments
in other countries emerging markets is the idea that anybody

(43:58):
can open a retail broker account on your cell phone
and start trading stocks a little bit at the time.
That adds up very quickly.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
So we're well, but where are.

Speaker 17 (44:06):
That at roth And when we try to analyze market movement,
we factor retail in as a huge component of our analysis.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, that's a great point. Now, let's chat IPOs on
the horizon. Is the window reopening is the big question?
So after a two year IPO drought, the market seems
to be thawing. Stripe Data, Bricks and Reddit have reignited
the public market conversation and many are calling twenty twenty
five the year of the reawakening. But successful IPOs really
just depend on timing, you know, this macro alignment and

(44:33):
really investor appetite.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
So from Roth's perspective.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What needs to align for per se Wroth backed companies
to step into the public arena again? And do you
think that the IPO window is truly reopening in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 17 (44:47):
The story and the companies haven't changed. The question is
is the timing right right now? And clearly with this volatility,
it might not be. And that's for good reason. Think
about it this way. If you're if you were a
public a traded company yesterday, your stock could move down
up or down ten percent and it would have nothing
to do with the fundamentals of your company. So if
you're a private company waiting to go public, is that

(45:09):
the time to go?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
So?

Speaker 17 (45:11):
I think the two most important things we need to
see in order for that pipeline to really come back
is number one, we need to see some stability in
the markets. We can't have this type of movement, not
for that particular asset, which is the IPOs. And then two,
volatility has to change. So right now, I think the
VIX is in the forties. You know that needs to
come down dramatically. And then if I was a management

(45:33):
team navigating a publicly traded company, those are the two
things that I would look for to get comfort before
I go into the markets.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
That's why you do what you do.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
You paid a realistic yet optimistic picture. And it's clear
Roth isn't just watching the window, it's positioning companies to
walk through it when the timing is right.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
So I love that.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Now let's keeping timing, no pun intended. We could talk
about this all day, but let's talk small cap come back, opportunity,
unity or mirage.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So, the small cap stocks have underperformed large caps for
the better part of the last two years, but that
might be shifting. With the FED signaling all these potential
rate cuts and inflation cooling, we are seeing renewed interest
in growth plays and small cap equities. I mean, the
rest of the two thousand is gaining traction. Where does
ROTH stand on small cap equities right now? Are there

(46:24):
specific sectors you believe are pois to explode? And where
are investors still getting it wrong?

Speaker 17 (46:29):
I believe there are probably fundamentally sound companies within the
small cap universe that are getting no attention from Wall Street,
and they're getting no attention from the retail investor because
people don't know about them. We may not know about
the one hundred and seventy five million market cap company
that's generating thirty forty million in cash. I would say
my advice in that sense would be look for companies
that are financially sound, fundamentally, have a great vision and

(46:52):
a game plan, a strong management team, and that's regardless
of the market cap. But that's going to help you
get through this environment is picking strong stocks, like with
respect to the rates. You know, that's a whole other
topic and we can we can talk about that one later.
But most importantly, I'd say, there are opportunities in small cap,
but there's probably opportunities across market caps right now, given
the voll toity in the market.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, too often small cap is infact sheated as high risk.
But I love your approach because it does underscore the
calculated opportunity within strategic sectors. Right, So let's chat scaling
a vision post acquisition. So mergers often bring turbulence, but
they also bring opportunity.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Roth's acquisition of MCAM Partners last year was a strategic
move that merged institutional research strength with roths transactional DNA,
basically integrating leadership and legacy. And I'm sure that wasn't easy.
So how have you approached post acquisition integration? What lessons
have you learned from blending two distinct from cultures into
one unified vision.

Speaker 17 (47:49):
Yeah, it's great, So you know one of the things
you want to do. I think any great company, the
employees can sell a platform and tell a story. So
did our story get better with this acquisition? I think
that did happen. The other thing is we took two
components of businesses on Wall Street. One was an investment bank,
one was a trading firm, and we put them together.
So thankfully, each side was very additive, and I think

(48:11):
on every metric you look at for the combined company,
the combined company is stronger than the sum of the
parts individually. So I am really happy with the way
that went. You know, integration, emerging two companies, it's never easy.
It's the things you don't think about, everything from back
office functions to payroll to benefits, things like that. However,
I do think that every employee was able to one

(48:33):
learn about a business line that they may not have
known about. You have more colleagues, you have more offices,
you have greater infrastructure, and we have stronger opportunities and
greater opportunities for expansion around the globe.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
That mindset, that CEO mindset. So let's talk about what
keeps you sharp. There's no playbook for being a CEO,
especially not in modern capital markets. And your job requires vision,
it requires energy and really the ability to see ten
steps ahead. But with so much noise, staying sharp is
a full time job. So what daily habits or rituals
or mindsets do you rely on to maintain clarity and

(49:08):
stay ahead of trends and lead from the front.

Speaker 17 (49:11):
It's actually being around people, and quite frankly, the best
ideas come from when we're all together in a room,
and you can't replicate that in any other environment. So
New York City back to office culture is something that
really exists. And I'd say the amount of market intelligence
that I receive just by going into the office every
day despite all this volatility, I don't know if I'd
have that same information if I was sitting at home

(49:33):
right now. So it helps, But it's also just great
lifestyle choices. Are you working out in the morning or
in the afternoon. Are you reading a lot? Are you
getting a good understanding of the headlines? Am I picking
up the phone, If I can't interact with people to
get people's thoughts on the market and what's the feeling,
what's the sentiment out there? Those things, you cannot dismiss
that human to human interaction. But it's also technology. Are

(49:56):
you using technology to get information to help you? And
that's one thing when we were talking about the retail
investor earlier. There's just so much information out there on
the markets, but I would just say turn it on
and take a passion in it, meaning read it and
enjoy it. Not everything is going to be valuable, but
for us, the technology is almost connecting us a little
bit better. So we use chat systems. It's almost like

(50:17):
we have a it's a more modern version of AOL
instant messenger from back in the day. And believe it
or not, something as simple as a chat room with
a lot of our employees in it. That information that
we get from that chat room on what the clients
are saying, what's happening. You know, is anybody picking up
any tidbits? Is anybody seeing a trend that is invaluable
in this environment? So I'd say, you know, God blessed

(50:40):
social media in that sense that it's made retail investors
smarter and quite frankly, for some of us, it makes
us smarter. There's a lot of noise in there as well,
but I'm just saying that there are technology platforms out
there that actually give us a lot of information that
can help us.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
That's great insight. Well, we are officially out of time.
Thank you for sharing insights and leadership. I mean, your
ability to translate complex markets into actionable vision is exactly
what makes you a standout CEO in the financial world.

Speaker 17 (51:09):
Really appreciate the kind words. It's an honor to be
here and thank you so much. And you have that
high energy as well. We could use people like you
on Wall Street. So knock on Roth Store anytime.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
That's it for this week's WR Spotlight on the Expert
on the Microphone series. You've been listening to a Moment
of Zen right here on seven to ten WR, the
Voice of New york iHeartRadio. You can definitely check out
Roth directly on LinkedIn at Roth Capital Partners, and you
could follow Sager directly at LinkedIn at Sager Chef SAGR
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