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He currently serves.

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As the director of Cosmetic Dermatology and Clinical Research for
Schweger Dermatology here in the Tri State area. He's going
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of safe and effective and plans from pre to post procedure,
as well as the key legal considerations doctors need to
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we're diving into the power of reinvention, a journey that's
rarely linear and often misunderstood.

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In the age of likes.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Algorithms, and fleeting fame, and my guest today is no
stranger to that journey. Greg Davis Junior, known to millions
as Clarity, rose to digital stardom on the now defunct
Vine platform with over four million followers, becoming one of
the Internet's earliest viral sensations. But when the platform collapsed,

(04:33):
so did the illusion of stability. Greg faced the sobering
reality of rebuilding from scratch emotionally, creatively, and professionally. Now today,
he's quietly and steadily redefining himself as an indie filmmaker's
storyteller and advocate for mental health, with a growing body
of work that reflects depth, resilience, and just raw authenticity.

(04:54):
In a culture obsessed with quick fame and even quicker fades,
his story is a powerful reminder that growth doesn't happen
on a timeline, it happens in truth. According to a
recent study by the American Psychological Association, over sixty percent
of content creators report experiencing burnout, identity loss, and mental
health struggles post virality, Yet very few talk about what

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comes after the spot. Like dims, Today, Greg's going to
open up about life beyond the viral wave, the personal
breakthroughs that emerge through the breakdowns, and what it really
means to live and create with clarity, No filters, no scripts,
just clarity, a raw, real comeback story for the soul.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Welcome to the show, superstar.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Then you're good.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
You're good, So let's chat the aftermath of going viral Right,
the Internet can feel like a stage with no off switch,
and when that stage disappears, as Vine did, so many
creators were left feeling disoriented and invisible. Now, your rise
and fall from viral fame happened publicly, but the re

(06:00):
building was deeply private.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
What was that moment like for you?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
The day you realized the world had moved on and
you had to find yourself again off camera?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I kind of saw Vine the fall coment funny enough,
just be just from internal things and just I got new.
So I was preparing myself for it anyway. It's by
the time Vin like fell and collapse on itself and ploded,
I was already sort of shifting anyway. Like I was
already starting to transition to Instagram, and I was already
kind of like forming my production company and thinking about

(06:30):
like projects and shortened filmed ideas and things I wanted
to do because I had already mates on. So now
I was just thinking, like I could take everything I
learned from you know, the buying days and just going viral.
It was still the same thing, right, Like, if you're
creating stories, you know, whether it's six seconds or sixty
second or sixty minutes, right or with a phone or

(06:52):
an actual like you know camera. I just took everything
I had built over the years from vying and social
media and just transferred it to like applying that for
real life. And I just probably's gonna be a little
bit more money to do it. So I'm grateful that
I had a like a contingency plan.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I love the contingency plan, and that the kind of
raw honesty is rare, so thank you for sharing it.
Sharing that and it takes it takes immense courage to
admit when the curtain falls, and even more strength to
rebuild a new one on your own terms, which you've done.
So now let's pivot to mental health in the creator economy.
The pressure to perform, to be quote unquote on, to

(07:32):
stay relevant, it's crushing. You've been open about mental health, right,
You've been very open and transparent. How did you protect
your mental well being during the silence between the spotlight
and what happened, or specifically, what helped you find your
footing again.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
I can go right, I got cardio. I can go
when I'm like, when I'm motivated or inspired, I feel
like this purpose attached to it. But if I start
to feel like it's becoming something I no longer love,
and yeah, I get burnt out spiritually right, emotionally get
burnt off from an artist perspective. So but that burnout
is real, and that pressure to keep it up is
real because the game changes and you're not afraid of

(08:10):
will fight, Like that's what that's what happens. Change happens,
but you no longer love the system that it's becoming.
It's like why even get why I continue to invest
in that? But not even that, Like you're doing all
this work and then you don't own anything like that
was the biggest thing for me. It's like, dude, you know,
I'm glad for the fame and everything, connections and money
that I got from it all. It's like they pull
the plug on this thing, Like what do I have?

(08:33):
You know, like I have some claiming licensing on YouTube
that I can you know if anybody reads my stuff,
I get a check every month, But like, what is
that of everything I've done right, even if you miss
an error? Where now the money is even insanely bigger
than the buzz when we were going through it and
we started but like I started thinking differently, so you know,

(08:53):
so one of the things that helped me, number one
was like, I guess, being so purposeful and so passionate
about like wanting to control my life. Feel like I
wanted to control my IP, control the content that I
worked hard for to put out there, because it's that's
your legacy when you leave.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
So this is this is a perfect time for me
to ask this question. So let's chat purpose versus popularity.
So so many creators chase that viral moment. But you've
shifted gears from being consumed to being intentional. You're saying
that right now, that's a major pivot in purpose. What
does purpose look like for you today? And how has
that shift changed the kind of art and storytelling you

(09:32):
now feel called to create.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I've always been about purpose. My dad always preached that
it's like Simon, you know, move and you move move
with intention, no waste of steps, no waste to movement.
That's kind of what I good by. So purpose is
big for me because it gives you a why, It
gives you that thing. It gives you a sense of importance,
but not even just for yourself to feel like you know,
I'm important. It's just like that, like you help pass
along Earth, like you help with the thing the whole system,

(09:58):
like you're a if like Earth and way y'aller was
one AI ship, Like we're a parking like the G
twenty chip and the video sells like twenty five. Yeah,
if we're like an important piece of that shit to
make this whole thing work, that's dope because you're a
part of seven big that unless you do your part
is broken, right, And so like purpose is dope because
it's just it makes you not quit, It makes you

(10:19):
keep going, and it makes you do something more than
just for yourself. You know what I'm saying. You're doing
stuff that helps other people and your people behind you
and your you know, your children, and you know what
I mean, whoever else your family, you know, legacy type stuff.
So yeah, I mean purpose is everything.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
So that surpos everything.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
It's inspiring to hear you speak about purpose and intention
in a world chasing clout. Clarity really is the new currency,
no pun intended?

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah no, that's what it made me feel
tired too. I saw where it was going. It was
no longer about like being creative and coming up with
ideas that are actually funny that you had to go
viral because people laugh. It just became about I mean,
it was silly stuff that generation too, But now it's
just like the chase for virility is the new drug. Yo,
Like it's nuts.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
So let's chat the indie filmmaker's road.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
So you're now writing, directing, and acting in indie projects
like Day of Joy, a very intimate and grounded film.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's a far cry from a six second skit.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
What has the journey into independent filmmaking taught you about creativity,
control and the kind of impact that you're speaking about
that you want to leave behind, that legacy.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
You know, they say they cuture sparked back, but I
call it. You know, I've got my assignment back, you
know what I'm saying, Like, you know, when we're on
this earth, I feel like, you know, God gives us
all on the assignment So when I started journeying into
like indie filmmaking role I have, I got fitulienated, you
know what I mean, Like I've wanted to create again.
And when you are obedient to your purpose, that's when

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the that's on the other side of it as all
the blessings that you know what I'm saying. So it's
like you gotta be obedient to purpose because that's how
you get blessed. That's where your blessings are on the
other side of obedience.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Preach, look at you. I mean, that's a powerful perspective.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Sometimes the constraints of indie filmmaking birth the most meaningful art.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
And your shift from viral to vulnerable is proof of that.
So let's chat social media and self worth.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
We often confuse metrics with meaning, followers with value, But
you've stepped away from that noise. How do you now
define success and how did you relearn your worth beyond
likes and views?

Speaker 5 (12:28):
My child? I mean at first, yeah, like I was
still trying to hold onto this old life and all
of a sudden boom on my dad. It's like it's
a whole shift and so but it was like, sorry,
my company being an indie filmmaker and then now being
a father, I just came from creation to creation. I
didn't have a break and I had time to stop.
So like currency, like it's crazy from the business pspective,

(12:50):
you having followers as currency because they lively. There's a
metric to it, right, like how we used to you know,
our rate for our brand deal or whatever, like you know,
the quantify it. So it is such a thing. If
you have a million followers, this means x y z.
It's literally a price right those amount of followers, like
per one hundred thousand followers, so you can give adequate
quotes based on it. So for a content creator, it

(13:12):
was mad important to like bro your following, get more
followers because you just did. That was a price that
was a hard, cold industry fact. This is my price.
You can't deny my price, you can't hide my price.
Like this was for a creator, that was our visual currency,
our price you couldn't argue with. It's like a stock price.
If you go look at Tesla's three thirty five, you
can't argue with that. Why because if you go look

(13:33):
up testlists, it's three thirty five. So our followers were
like our stock price, and it would be up and down.
So if you kept doing what you need to do,
grow as a company, because it's all these were little
individual companies. You could quantify that, but so that that
was the rate, and how do I steff away from that?
You just got to know, like what's more important? It's
like you know number one, like what's life? Like? What
is life?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Right?

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Not to be cliche and corny, but what is life?
I no longer feel this is a machine that's not
feeding me. I can't benefit off this. They have the edge, right,
the house wins, So I need to start my own
house so that everything I work for is by the
till of all hand. Right, So my daughter helped me
to step away from that and just really not care
and then like being okay with no longer having engagement

(14:16):
or followers, I don't care because that means if I
have to keep creating to keep that up and so
be I want my life, owe my freer. That's more important.
And so those things helped.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Now advice for the next gen creator.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Right, there's an entire generation building their lives on digital validation,
and many are headed for the same emotional cliff that
you faced. So what's the one thing you'd tell the
next wave of content creators who are.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Chasing visibility but may lose themselves in the process.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Man own everything from now and number one, like your
value is and then your followers. And it's a hard shift.
But if you stay true to your purpose, to your why,
life will always help you figure it out how to
counter maneuver right. You know, it's like boxing. It's like
you know, you got a countermore and hit bam.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
So it's like that with life and your plan. Right,
just always be ready to maniver encounter when something happens,
because no matter what they press the button, it's done.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Mark Zuckerberg could wake up tomorrow and be like, no
more Facebook. That means no more Instagram, And there's who
can do what?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (15:19):
I mean, think of think of the fright that TikTok
imposed just half a year ago, when they were going
to shut down TikTok across America.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Every content creator was freaking out that now their earnings
and their income would dip because it would and they
it's listen, they knew they were linquished controlled to Bite Dance,
owned by the Chinese government. They know this, and of
course that was a perfect opportunity for Trump to come
in and be the superhero and save the day, because
now he got an entire generation that really wasn't on

(15:50):
board with him, perhaps the younger ones to now go yay,
he saved TikTok.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
We love him. I mean, my nine year old daughter
knows him because he saved TikTok.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
It's crazy Trump saved TikTok.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's a yeah, apparently.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Listen, it's it's the wisdom we don't see enough of online.
That's what we just captured here today with you, and
you you've lived it and your story is helping to
rewrite the narrative for so many others. So I thank
you for coming on today and sharing your story. And
we're going to continue to follow you and we're going
to continue to watch your films.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
And support you. So thank you so much, Clarity.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
And this is a wonderful interview. Thank you for I'm
not even this is a conversation. This is a wonderful conversation.
Thank you for your questions.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
And you can follow him on the gram at Clarity
with a K K L A R I T Y
and keep an eye out for his projects through his
link tree. You go directly on link Tree, Forward, Slash
Clarity and if you're looking for real talk, real heart,
and real artistry, this is where it's happening.

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Speaker 3 (18:24):
I'm your host, Zen.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Sam's welcome back to the Better Brighter Youth segment brought
to you by Cispera. Today we're featuring the incredible Board
certified dermatologist, doctor David Goldberg. In twenty twenty, doctor Goldberg
merged his three office practice with the Schweger Dermatology Group,
the largest dermatology group in the New York, New Jersey
Pennsylvania region and the fourth largest dermatology group in the US.

(18:47):
Doctor Goldberger currently serves as the Director of Cosmetic Dermatology
and Clinical Research for their over seventy five offices. He
has an impressive list of accolades, including being the first
ever recipient of the AsLMS Leon Goldman Award, named after
the founder of laser medicine, and is also an educator,
an innovator, and an author of over one hundred and

(19:09):
seventy peer reviewed manuscripts and fifteen books. Wow, he's going
to join me right now to chat all about the
importance of safe and effective treatment plans from pre to
post procedure, as well as the key legal considerations doctors
need to be aware of in their practice.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Welcome to the show, a superstar.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
So it's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Excited to have you back on.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
We love our experts on the microphone and you are
one of our most popular ones.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Let's start. Let's dive right in.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
So something people may not know about you is that
you are also an attorney. Right having graduated from Fordham
University School of Law right here, where you currently serve
as an adjunct professor of law and taught a course
called Advances in Healthcare Law.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
This is so interesting to me. And you even still write.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
A monthly column called Legal Eagle for Dermatology Times. So
you stand at a very unique of both medical innovation
and the law. So for all our doctors listening right now,
aspiring or practicing, what important things do doctors need to
understand from a legal perspective when treating patients?

Speaker 7 (20:14):
And you're correct saying, I mean I have two perspectives
that wear two hats, both as a practicing physician who
does cosmetic dermatology and as an attorney who has taught
health care law for over twenty years. I think the
first thing to think about is the end and that
is physicians are emotionally very best at in their patients
and most of them are really good quality dogs, and

(20:36):
then they get sued and they go, how can I
be sued? I mean, I've done everything I know that
I can do. I'm trying to do the right thing,
and the end result is, you know, with the American
system we have, it's not hard for plaintiffs or just
rental patients to follow lawsuit. In the end, you have
to recognize that you can't get emotional about this. There
is a reason that we have life insurance, health insurance,

(20:56):
and medical health practice insurance, and that is to protect us.
And in the end, if you practice quality medicine, you
may get sued.

Speaker 10 (21:03):
You likely will get.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Sued, but you also likely will not lose the loss.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
That's a great perspective. I like how you framed it
because you're not saying it's never going to happen. You're
just taking the fear out of it when it does happen.
So it's a great mind it's a great mind shift.
Now let's change gears and talk about a specific innovation.
You are an expert in lasers. Now, laser technology has
revolutionized the field of dermatology and offers really effective solutions

(21:30):
for everything from pigmentation to skin rejuvenation.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
However, as with any powerful.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Tool, it's important to tailor treatment plans for each individual
patient to optimize both safety and outcome. So what precautions
do you take when treating patients with lasers? And do
you pre treat darker skin patients with topicals before they're lasers?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
And so as you're alluded to.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
You know, this field has exploded. I mean, I'm doing
this now almost four decades, and you know we have
we call them lasers, but it's not just lasers. There
are lights were is, There are electrical radio frequency devices,
microwave devices, ultrason devices. We can treat virtually every area
of the body, and as you point out, half of
our population is darker skin. Darker skin is much more

(22:13):
sensitive to the colored light of some lasers, and certainly
very sensitive to the heat induced by lasers. Whether it
is for pigmentation problems, what it is for facial resurfacing
of wrinkles, whether it is for cellulite. You can go
on and on and on, and so when you treat
darker skin, you have to really be conscious of the
fact that you need to use the appropriate devices. And

(22:34):
some devices are not necessarily ideal for darker skin. For example,
many spas have only intense post light sources. They are
great for treating red but they are not good for
pigment ideally, And so when we start treating these darker skins,
we have to be wary about what may happen if
they're overheated, or if the wavelengths the colors of light
are not appropriate, and we often pre treat to try

(22:56):
to lessen problems with pigment, and we certainly post treat
to lessen problems with pigments.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
So how would you handle a darker skin patient getting
post inflammatory hypergumentation or any other complication after treatment?

Speaker 7 (23:07):
And that is the most common complication is post inflammatory
hyperpigmentation or alternatively, some darker skin people, particularly women, have
a condition known as melasma which puts pigment on their skin.
And if you start lasering them and you don't think
about the issues I've just discussed, you're going to make the.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Last but worse.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
So there've been a whole variety of lightning agents on
the market for over twenty years already. The problem with
many of them is they either involve the use of
a retinol, which we like to use often for wrinkles,
but can create some irritation and can therefore create more hyperpigmentation.
And some of the more popular topical agents used to
treat excess pigment contain cortisone or steroids in them, and

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that's okay for a week or two, but it's not
okay for long term use. Over the last couple of
years that have been newer products that contain cystiamine in them.
Cistimine is a potent lightener that really helps us to
treat some of these darker skinned individuals. And then over
the last year year and a half, the system imine
has been combined with a substance known as isopreonic gami,

(24:06):
which also is lightning agents. So the two of them
are put together. It's an ideal marriage and it really
helps us pre treatment and it helps us post treatment
to lessen or treat the problems of hyperpincation.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And this leads perfectly into my next question.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
So let's chat about both pre and post procedure care
because this can really optimize treatment outcomes and decrease downtime
and even reduce the risk of these complications we've been
talking about now. In your expert opinion, how important are
pre and post treatment as a part of the entire
treatment plan for a patient, and more importantly, what types

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of technologies or treatments do you recommend.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
So the notion of pre treatment is a little controversial.
Some people say it doesn't help. I do believe it does.
To pre treat these people with something like this product
which is known as Spera post treatment. This is now
the standard of care. That is, if you treat darker
skin individuals and you're going to create either heat in
their skin or excessive light or you're concerned about pigment,

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if you don't treat them with a product like Sispara.
But that system mean and isopionic gay mind. That is,
in the legal terms, they breach in the standard of
care if they end up with excess pigmentation because you
did not do that, you're going to get sued.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Wow, that's one way to put it right.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
So right, it's not complicated.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not complicated, okay.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
And to go one step further beyond physical benefits, there's
also the emotional and psychological aspect of patient care. So
in your experience this, having a clear post treatment plan
help put patient's minds at ease and put things into perspective,
giving them like a sense of support and reassurance that
ultimately contributes to a smoother recovery.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
You know, the part of what we do obviously is
using devices to make people look better, but there is
often a psychosocial part of this also. I mean, the
people are coming because they want to look better. This
is not something they have to do. And if they
know you're going to be doing things to lessen the
chances of complications your own skill level, it makes them
feel better. You know, the provider physician always feels better

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because I know they're going to be okay, and you
build a much better relationship with that patient. This is
what communication is all about. One are the causes of
lawsuits in our practices is position inability to communicate well
with patients. This kind of you know, use this product
before treatment, use the suspare after treatment. Therefore you're not
likely to have a problem. That just builds a better communication.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I like that. I like that.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now let's shift back to laser tech, but specifically talk
about the hands behind the treatments.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
So, as this technology becomes more widespread and accessible, it's
very important for patients to understand that just because someone
has the title doctor or practitioner in front of their name,
that doesn't automatically make them an expert in this technology.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You have to do your research.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
You are someone that is highly respected in your field.
Both your peers and your patients really have the most
utmost respect for you.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
So I'd love to hear your take on this. Do
you think all clinicians are perfectly trained and qualified to
be doing laser treatments or do patients really need to
be careful with who they go to and more probably,
how can patients safeguard themselves in these circumstances.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, so this gets a little complicated because obviously there
are physicians treating patients, and they can be anywhere from dermatologists,
plastic surgeons to frankly, general practitioners. They are also physician
assistants and nurse practitioners who are trained to treat these people.
And depending on the state, I mean, there are some
states in the United States. You know, I'm in New York,
that's not one of them, but there are some states
in the United States where aestheticians can use all these devices. Obviously,

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training is the key. You know, there are doctors who
are poorly trained. There are physician assistants who are poorly trained.
And sometimes it's hard for the patients or the client
to figure out, you know, are they well trained or not.
But they've got to ask the questions how many years
are you doing this? You know, if I'm coming to
your office or your spa, do you have one machine
that you use for everything or do you have multiple machines?

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And why do you have multiple machines? You know I
CO and co OW and the Aesthetic Extended Symposium. It's
in its nineteenth year in Florida. Every summer. It trains
PA's and nurses to do these procedures. These are really
well trained people, and I would argue some of them, frankly,
are better than some doctors doing this. It's all about
training and people asking the right questions. Sometimes they don't

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know the questions to ask. But you know, if you
go somewhere and you see the person and they tell
you they've been doing this per year and you ask
them what's the name of the machine, they don't even
know the name of the machine.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
I bucket.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's a red flight. Yeah, definitely pretty easy one.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
But you'd be surprised people do it.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I have witnessed it myself, but yes, you're right now, last.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Question before we wrap up here to touch back on
your legal expertise.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I love it that you wear these hats.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
In addition to patient carried, doctors are constantly collaborating or
working within the industry together now, whether it's research or
speaking engagements or even product development. But what important things
do doctors need to understand from a legal perspective when
working industry partners.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
So the way doctors work with industry partners is sometimes
they do research on products. Sometimes they speak on behalf
of a company. Recognize that when you get in bed,
as many of us do with these companies, you know
you if they are doing something that's very wrong, you're
going to get pulled in as well. And I always
describe a case in two thousand and seven, I was

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the primary investigator of an FDA study for a new filler.
We're not talking about lasers, but a filler. And it
turned out the company knew a lot of things wrong
about this filler. They didn't notify us were the investigators,
this was an FDA study. Ultimately, the company got sued
and I got sued as well. I mean I eventually
got out of it, but I got pulled into them
because they were doing something wrong. And so you know,

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as physicians, if you're going to get involved with the industry,
you know, it's like anything else, be careful who you
get in bed with.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, you sleep with dogs, you get fleas, you certainly do.
And bed bugs, yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
And you definitely don't want the regulatory agencies and all that,
you know, the boards come in your way, because that's
a whole rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You don't want to go down.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
I'm fully aware even have regulatory agencies because of the
stock Exchange.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I work at the n SEC and FINRA. I mean,
they're just you're just all very very bad people, so
you definitely want to.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
Steer trying to do their job. Let's leave it at that.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Well listen, we could go
on talking on and on and on. Definitely love to
have you come back, but thank you so much. It
was incredible having you on today.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
All right, guys, listen, that was the incredible doctor David Goldberg,
Board certified dermatologist and Director of Cosmetic Dermatology and Clinical
Research at Schweger Dermatology Group. You could definitely had to
Schwegerderm dot com and Skin and Lasers dot com to
learn more and check them out on Instagram at Skin
and Lasers.

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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area.

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You're listening to a momentum zen right here on sevent
ten war the voice of New york iHeartRadio. Welcome back
to the Going Deep segment brought to you by CO
two Lift. Today we're joined by the amazing Yanina Macoviy.
She's a seasoned content strategist and creator with over five
hundred million views on both Instagram and TikTok. She's a

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fast growing influencer who has built a loyal fan base
while also crafting high impact content strategies for brands looking
to boost visibility and drive traffic to their pages. She's
going to join me right now to take a look
at the hustle behind a perfectly curated Instagram page and
how she creates authentic content that converts Welcome to the show, superstar,
Thank you, Hi, so excited to have you.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
So let's dive right in.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
You have clearly mastered the social media game, with over
half a million combined followers across your platforms and consistently
bringing in twelve to twenty million impressions monthly. I mean,
with numbers like these, your influence is clearly undeniable. But
in an age where algorithms often reward clickbait and virality,

(33:36):
many influencers compromise their authenticity in pursuit of that online fame. You,
on the other hand, seem to have mastered the balance
between authenticity and virality. So what's your secret? How do
you approach building trust not just traffic online?

Speaker 10 (33:51):
Yes, thank you. You're right to build a vile content.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
It's come.

Speaker 10 (33:55):
I'm not gonna say it comes easier for me. I
think I got the algorithm. I want to say that
it would some really nice. But you also want if
you want to go wild videos, you have to make
people feel emotions. But if you want it to because
you want a long term right, you don't want to
just help one video goes violent that's it. So you
have to make these emotions.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Like real by you.

Speaker 10 (34:18):
So if people feel reality, they're gonna follow you, and
then they're gonna trust you. So I choose trust over virality,
but I still do rerality as well.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Well.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I love that you maintain that authenticity because it's true.
People do want on that real, unfiltered, direct to consumer feedback,
and they look at you as an influencer, whether you're
talking about a brand, a product, or service for exactly that,
because that's your job now you manage both personal and
brand accounts. What are the top three rules you swear

(34:50):
by when it comes to content that converts aside from
evoking emotion.

Speaker 10 (34:55):
Yeah, but I mean honestly. First one, obviously you want
to be consistent. I know that it's very obvious, but
it cannot post one video and assume that they're going
to be selling, right. But what else is is right
now very popular is storytelling. So if you swear by
your brand for your quality, just tell people that show people,
show how you make it, show how it's working. And

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then you want to build this trust with people like
they know you, you know, like your brand is their
best friend. And if they know you, they like trust you,
so they want.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
To buy from you.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
This is for like brands what I promote, but also
for personal one. You really want to be real, Like
I can say so many things. Whatever happens with me,
I'm gonna tell that because people are not perfect, right,
so they are relatable for whatever happens to you, not
just perfect image.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
But you know, like Illow not aesthetic.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
Aesthetic it's my favorite thing, Like I'm not aesthetic, but
they show whatever it is, so people can be relatable,
not just showing like great picture, which is not like
it's really great, but I'm just showing what it is.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Really.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
When it comes to social media, we often hear it
compared to a highlight reel, talking about right now, like
those moments that you're capturing in time, the polished content,
the big winds, the moments that look effortless. But there's
often more to these posts that meets the eye. Can
you walk us through a day in your life as
a content creator and strategist, I mean, what does the

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hustle really look like behind the highlight reel?

Speaker 10 (36:19):
Well, it's very interesting because people see like fifteen seconds video, right,
but sometimes it can take like hours to do it,
and it's not like first of all, you have to
create the idea, right so it's writing scripts, it's discovering.
It's just like I'm constantly checking what is on, what
is trending, what is happening right now, so it can
get more ideas to create videos. And then it's obviously

(36:40):
like filming and then it's editing, but also it's content
creator and you're just not post it. You have like
technical part, which is like emails. You have to like
constantly be on top of like email strategy and always
discover what is happening because social media changes by day.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
That's very true. You have to be ahead of the curve.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
You have to know which you have to really stay
there consistently and not just post and walk away, but
post and then remain engaged for a few hours and
even till the next day to reply to the comments
and to really just make sure that you have a
presence for.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
The people that are following you in the community that
you're curating. So I love what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Now you're glowing on and off the grid, and we know,
we know your secret.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
We know you've been using co two lift.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
We know this, which is a product that's very familiar
on our show. It's not only widely used by influencers
like yourself, what we call skin influencers, but also backed
by rigorous clinical research and doctors. Right, the science is
the science, clinically research, clinically verified. Now, when did it
first land on your radar? And what made what made

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it a must have in your beauty rotation?

Speaker 10 (37:51):
It actually came to me like PR package in PR package,
But I wasn't. I was so surprised that I love
this so much. I'm literally obsessed with it. It's like
carboxes therapy gel treatment. And I knew about it before,
but I used to go to cosmetologist to get carbo
but carboxy therapy, but now you can do it at home,
which I do, and it's so easy to do, and

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I love easy. It's like you mixed too packages, forty
five minutes, leave on and you're done. You're like, my
skin is glowing and literally red carpetrated to go right
after it. I've done it.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
You're one hundred percent right, And statistically it increases hydration
by one hundred and seventeen percent per mask per use.
That's a single use. I mean that those numbers are
clinically researched and verified.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
And I love that.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
And again it increases blood flow what we call neo angiogenesis.
So not only the reason why it's glowing and why
your skin is really back on track and rejuvenating like that,
is because the skin has been tricked to think that
it's being attacked by Coe two and blood rushes to
the surface and boom, you get this incredible glowing skin

(38:57):
because that blood flow in increases the glow, if you will.
So I love it. I love the whole concept. And
proof is in the pudding.

Speaker 10 (39:06):
Look at your skin, Well this like my skin is
usually very dry, like super dry, and when you look
in camera, if I'm not glow, if I'm not like hydrated,
it's like looks like, you know, snake is getting rid
of skin, So I don't want that on camera. But
after the use of this gel, it's literally like hydrated
and it's glowing. And also it gets rid of small

(39:27):
wrinkles and I have like dark circles and it's got
it's like makes my skin brighter. And also you know,
I don't know if you know, but they got Now
you just see a program, so like more people can
get on it.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I think it's like really beautiful. Yep.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, Now it's shift gears and chat about brand partnership,
a core part of the content creating space today. You've
collaborated with some powerhouse names in beauty and Wellness, which
speaks volumes about your credibility and your voice.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
But not all partnerships are created equal.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
What makes a brand partnership meaningful to you and what
makes you say no?

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Well?

Speaker 10 (40:02):
Brand has to have the same valide that I do,
because I think if I have to trust the brand,
because if I don't trust it, I cannot promote it.
I feel like people can see if you really like
something or you don't like. I'm a girls girl. If
I love something, I'm gonna yell about that. I want
to tell everyone. So if this is like brand I
want to have, like, I have to trust them. I
have to like them, and they have to stand for

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what I see. So yeah, it has to be trust
and it has to be really good quality because that's
mean it's very important.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I love it trust in quality. Speaking my language.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Now, what's next for Yanina? Any exciting drops projects or
self care moments coming up?

Speaker 3 (40:37):
We should keep an eye out for well.

Speaker 10 (40:38):
I'm definitely gonna continue my TikTok Instagram. I love that,
So it's going to be more storytelling, more like I'm
doing also a comedy about dating and Eastern culture, like
different cultures. So I'm gonna go on funny content entertain people,
but also like kind of different brand deals coming so
brand campaign, so I'm excited for that and just live life.
So we cannot forget to live life at the moment.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
We cannot forget to live life. Well, thank you so
much for coming on today. You are so incredibly beautiful
inside and out. I love hearing your your incredible tips
and tricks that you share with your audience, and I'm
definitely going to be following you.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Thank you so much. So nice mating you. That was
the incredible.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Yanina Macoby, seasoned content strategist and creator.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Definitely follow her on.

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Speaker 12 (42:47):
Hi everyone, this is up to daisyim. I am so
excited to discuss this episode with you guys. We're going
to explore the transformative power of sleep. First off, why
does sleep matters? Well, it matters because it affects your
common You can have hormona embolysis when your sleep is
not optimized.

Speaker 13 (43:05):
Your immune function can be.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Affected as well.

Speaker 13 (43:08):
Your metabolism is affected with poor sleep.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Your memory.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Your memory is needed, so you have to sleep to
get good memory and good combination.

Speaker 13 (43:19):
And then your skin health, your skin quality, all of
that is tied into sleep and you cannot underestimate your
sleep at any given time.

Speaker 12 (43:29):
So chronic sleep deprivation increases your risk of diabetes, CARDIVASPOD disease.
So if you're not resting, you are at risk of
all this health condition. So rest sleep improves chronic diseases.
Non rem sleep is divided into three stages. You have
your light sleep, your.

Speaker 13 (43:50):
True sleep, and then you go to your third stage.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
This is the third stage of.

Speaker 13 (43:55):
Your non rammed sleep cycle. This is the most restorated
sleep face. So This is where repair of your body happens.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
If you have injury, you're resting. This all happened in
stage three of your non RENT sleep. Okay, your immune resilience.

Speaker 14 (44:15):
Goes up, so I get the face is restoring or
restorative as like mentioned earlier. Once you get out of
your stage, do you go into your REMS cycle.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
If you are disrupted in this part of your sleep cycle,
you tend to be moody and graduate the next day,
so you don't feel as rested. So REM sleep is
really important for you to feel rested, and that is
your sleep cycle.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
So it goes from non.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
REM sleep with the three stages that I mentioned to
your REM sleep and then.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
It repeats itself.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
So it's like a loop and this loop will happen
four to six time throughout the night as you sleep.

Speaker 13 (44:54):
Now, let's define the word Cicadian rhythm.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
This is your body's internal twenty four hour clock and
this is regulated by the nucleus of your hypothalamus.

Speaker 13 (45:04):
It basically orchestrate how.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
You feel alert and how you feel very drowsy and sleepy.
And the aligns with environmental cues like light. So how
does light influencer sleep well in the morning.

Speaker 12 (45:22):
When sunlight hits your eyes, your nucleus of a hopothalamus
is trigger and it's trigger for your body to respond
at least as if you're awake, so you start feeling alert.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
That's in the morning. At nighttime darkness, and the cues
that it gives.

Speaker 13 (45:40):
To your brain is that it should increase melantonin and
melantonin makes you sleepy and drowsy. So that's how light
affects our sleep pattern.

Speaker 15 (45:53):
Artificial light like blue lights from our phone, our TV,
our smart devices, this can actually confuse our nucleus of
a hypothalamus and delaying melatonin release.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
So you may think that you're still alert, but.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Really you're not. So when you're falling asleep at night,
you have your phone, you're looking at it, or you
have your tablet or TV on your siccadium rhythm is confused.

Speaker 13 (46:18):
It's not sure if it's nighttime.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
Because you have all the stimulants going to your brain
and disrupting the nucus of your hypothalamus, and that would
disrupt your natural sleep onset pattern.

Speaker 13 (46:32):
Let's stop as sleep hygiene. Sleep hygien is basically retold
that you do that matters and improve your sleep quality.
The most important thing is to create a wind down routine.
You want to train your body to be consistent. You
know the same bedtime, reduce screen time, dim the lights,

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take a warm bath.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
You can even use.

Speaker 12 (46:57):
Some products like doctor til or things that can kind
of suit you into falling asleep.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
You do some reading, some journaline.

Speaker 13 (47:07):
All of that helps calms you and can really help
you with your sleep. And then your bedroom there's just
some things you can do.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Keep the light dark, keep the temperature cool because the
cool temperature helps with sleeping, and decrease.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
The noise and just have calmness around you. And then
you know, stop eating.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
I would say about two or three hours before you
fall asleep.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Avoid alcohol and caffeine too close to your bedtime.

Speaker 13 (47:33):
And also supplements that can help with sleep.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
This is not a medical advice, but your melantonin, magnesium,
liscinate and l farning and this helps with sleep.

Speaker 13 (47:46):
And so this was some things that you can use
and again your sleep.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Hygien routine and rituals that you create to optimize your sleep.
Now let's talk about some natural sleep well.

Speaker 13 (48:00):
Number one perimenopause and menopause.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
We know this is a slip disruptor because you're.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
Hormone imbalance that goes on and I can personally testify
to that because I'm perimenopause.

Speaker 12 (48:12):
Yeah, I know a thing or two about this. Stress
is a natural slip disruptor. So trying to minimize stress
in your life so that your sleep optimization is improved.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Nighttime anxiety that goes hand in hand with stress, you
want to decrease that, decrease screen overload that is a
natural disruptor of sleep. And then traveling, you know, being
jet lack and not getting propularized when you travel whereas
for job or for leisure or for business, that can

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affect your sleep as well.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
And so you can have things.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
Like melantonin grounding, sun like exposure to kind of help
optimize your sleep.

Speaker 13 (48:58):
Whenever in doubt, you can console a slip specialists.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
A slip specialist can be in the form of a neurologist,
even an E and T doctor, But you can always
start with your family physician or your internal medicine physician
when if you have any concerns about your sleep and
your sleep pattern or optimizing your sleep.

Speaker 13 (49:18):
Now let's go to smart tech devices.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
You know, we live in.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
A moment where there are so many options to tell
us whether we're sleeping well or we're sleeping poorly, how
to monitoriz sleep and this couggests and toys, they're amazing.
What are some of these smart tech devices where you
have smart mattresses there is temper peutic with cooling control.

(49:42):
That's a smart mattress. You have aid sleep. And then
if you're tracking wearable devices, there are a couple of
them out there. You have your hour ring, your Apple watch,
you whoop.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Those things are good.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
They can tell you if you're gaining enough sleep or
the quality of your sleep and where you can improve.

Speaker 13 (50:01):
And then you have data tracking devices that's the tracks
through slipsiples, your heart rate, your veriability.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
And you can tell you insides about your long term wellness. Now,
the important thing, as I mentioned, is not to get
so cut up in some of this data summary and
insights to the point where you actually forget to just
endure the process of living and not gain obsess over it.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
But there are all these.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
Things and that's important for sleep optimization and use it wisely.
So my sleep pattern and quality is so much better now.

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