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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area. You're listening to a
Moment of Zen right here on seven ten WAR the
Voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm your host, Zen Sam's
welcome back to the Hydration with Heart segment brought to
you by One's Plant a Coconut Today we're diving into
the science, soul and stigma surrounding psychedelics, specifically silocybin and ayahuasca,
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and their rapidly growing role in mental health treatment. With
the FDA designating silocybin as a breakthrough therapy for depression
and clinical trials around ayahuasca showing promising results for PTSD
and addiction, we're no longer asking if psychedelics can heal,
but rather how far can they take us? And speaking
of healing, my guest today expert on the microphone is
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actor Johnny Mesner. He's a healer and host of the
Uncomfortable with Johnny Mesner podcast. He's a living testament to
the transformational power of these ancient plant medicines. Veteran Hollywood
actor who's life unraveled into let's just say addiction until
Rhythmia entered the picture. Since his first visit in May
of twenty nineteen, he's gone from shattered to whole, from
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seeker to guide. He's now a teacher and ambassador at Rhythmia,
one of the world's most respected medically licensed plant medicine
centers in Costa Rica. We're chatting from rock bottom to Rhythmia,
how plant based medicines heal traumas.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Oh thanks for having me, Sena, so good to see you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Now, let's talk about some statistics. According to JOHNS Hopkins
Medical Center, psylocybinissisted therapy is now leading to a seventy
one percent reduction in major depressive disorder symptoms after just
two sessions. Johnny, there's another study. Twenty twenty two study
published in Nature Medicine, ayahuasca users reported significant and sustained
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reductions in trauma symptoms even compared to conventional treatments. Now,
Rhythmia Life Advancement Center in Costa Rica is the only
medically licensed ayahuasca retreat in the world, hosting over thirteen
thousand guests with a ninety five percent reported life transformation rate.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Talk to me about what drew you to rhythmia.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Well, I mean I was I was at like you said,
I was at my last hope.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I didn't have any other options.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
To be honest, I had said just randomly that I
would try ayahuasca.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I really knew nothing about it. I just said it
out loud.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
And then Catherine the Boys, my son's mom, was at
Soba Lake Farmer's Market She had become friends with the
gluten Free Ampanada's lady and she her her brother had
just done a documentary called The Medicine and it was
shot at Rhythmia, and she called Rhythmia and doctor Wannery,
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who's the clinical supervisor, had known me through the addiction
circles he was working up. He was a clinical supervisor
at Passages and he said, come on down, and so
I did.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Two weeks later, I was on my way.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I mean I did get thrown off the plane for
being drunk the first week I was supposed to be there,
so I didn't really follow the DIETA but I was
trying to save my life and I didn't know anything
else about it. I didn't do any research, and I
spent two weeks there and the last night I got
cracked open by type to one ETO. It was like
the number one channel of the world and my life
started to change it drastically at that moment.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Wow, And I know that you've said you were willing
to do whatever it took when you first arrived at
Rhythm On.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
This was back in twenty nineteen. Paint us a picture.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
What had your life become at that rock bottom moment?
And what made you choose this psychedelic retreat over rehab.
I know Kat was a catalyst. We love Cat, big
shout out to Cat. But why did you not go
the traditional rehab route?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well? I did.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
I did go the rehab route about nine times, and
that didn't that didn't do much because the thing about
rehab is it'll get you sober, but the wounds there
are still the wounds.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
The holes are still the holes.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
And you don't fill them there and you don't heal
them there, and so I just didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Have any other options.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
I was living in North Hollywood in a one bedroom
in the barrio, basically by myself. My phone wasn't ringing,
and I always doing was going from my oxy codone
prescription to alcohol to not feel to oxy cotone, and
it was like that vicious cycle.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I was definitely close to death.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I was probably a few months from from dying, is
what I saw in the medicine, and my life had
just completely was was shocked, you know. I was to
whatever your bottom is, they can always go lower, and
mine was. I don't think mine could have gone. I
think death was the next lowest point.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So wow, there's still so much stigma surrounding psychedelics and
even ayahuasca. Yet here you are not only healed, but
teaching others. What was the very first moment during your
ceremony where you thought, okay, something is changing.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It was that Thursday with Tita.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
The medicine likes to take you to your deepest fear
so to get rid of them, you know, And mine
was death at that time, and I had no connection
to God or source or whatever you universe, whatever you
call it, you know, I only prayed out of fear
of if there was something after, you know. And that moment,
she took me into what I considered hell, you know,
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and told me that I was never getting out, and
I cracked. And when I cracked, they tied me down
and they were tight.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
That was preying on me.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And then I heard God come in and say, I've
always been with you, You've always been loved. And I
just started that I could digress to like my five
year old self, and I was just crying with gratitude,
and I just at that moment I realized that there
is so much more. It was a knowing, and when
you have that knowing, everything changes, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I love it a rhythmia isn't just a detox or
a spiritual escape. It's a medically licensed center blending indigenous
wisdom with Western safety protocols, which makes me feel so
much more comfortable right and as someone who's now a
teacher there. What makes this integration model so effective.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Well, Number one is because.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
We have a very intense intake process to make sure
that everybody's ready for when they come in, so once
they get there there they have the best chance possible. Also,
we have the classes, and the classes are so important
because it teaches you how to work with the medicine.
It teaches you you know, nobody knows what your experience
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is going to because it's very specifically tailor made to you,
but we give you the guidance to walk through all
of these things.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
And also the love that is in that container.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
It's just amazing that the medicine family, that team that's
up there weekend and week out with you know, seventy
ninety people coming in with you know, nobody's skipping into rhythmia, right,
so it's not like it's like, ah, you know, it's
heavy duty stuff, and they hold that that Malka in
such a space of love it's just incredible to watch
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the transformation.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And so you're just held.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And there's there's a moment that stands out in every
healing journey, right, a breakthrough, a vision.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
A release.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
If you will, can you share that moment for you,
the one where you knew you would never go back?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Oh yeah, So with the medicine come in, and she
told me that first one.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
She told me, look, all of the spirits of drugs.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And alcohol will be leaving you, right, and it's gonna
be first one in, last one to go. And first
one in for me was alcohol. So she had getten
throughout my journey. She had gotten rid of all the
other ones, you know. And when I mean getting rid
of it, she healed those parts of the wound where
I didn't have the need to disconnect from anything in life.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I didn't. I didn't want to, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And but I remember I had I was still drinking
and I had she I had been at the rhythma
as a guest, and the medicine was saying, hey, you're
walking a fine line with the alcohol.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Could all go away? Uh?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
And then I had gotten a movie in Romania and
it was on my fiftieth birthday that I was in
Romania April twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I was sitting at a bar. It looked like I
ate myself.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
I was doing a movie with Steve and Segal and
that the next month that went to rid Mea for
the first time. Now it's three years later, I am
back at that same freaking bar, right drinking again, and
the whole movie fell apart and I spent two weeks
going into a deep darkness of of wine. I came
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back and I went to rhythm from there and I
sat with the Hey and I had the most insane
death in the medicine, which is what happens because you're
letting go of parts of you that aren't serving you anymore.
And I had the biggest burge ever and it was
I could see like the spirit of alcohol coming out.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And from that moment.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
On, I never have ever even thought about anything like that.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh wow, you gave me chills. As someone in the
public eye, How has your transformation affected your relationships, your
work in Hollywood?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Your role was a public advocating for this path.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
When I went in there in May twenty nineteen, I
was unensurable. I was only getting the darkest roles and
on the on the bootleg movies.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
You know, it was nothing, it was it was there
was no career. My phone had stopped bringing a long
time ago. I was it was a liability. And then
I stepped doing this work. I started doing this work,
this healing, and the medicine said, don't worry about the
external life. I'll take care of all that.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
And then as time has gone on, without any kind of.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Me reaching out or agents or anything like that, I
started to get calls.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I started to get calls from huge cast rotches. I
started getting meetings with meetings again. And this was all
without any kind of so nobody knows. But yet that
you know that the universal were how it works, right,
the universal method. My energy has now risen to the
place where I have hit that place where these calls
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are coming.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
It's it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now let's talk about the future.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So, Psychedelica s is the therapy is on track to
become a ten point seven billion dollar industry by twenty
twenty seven. But as we scale, how do we protect
the sacredness of this work? That's the question. How do
we ensure it doesn't just become another commodified wellness trend. Right.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
So for someone listening right now.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Maybe they're struggling, maybe they've lost hope, what would you
say to them about this path and what's the first
step they should take?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
No matter what medicine they're going to use, you know,
do your research number one, right, because like everything else
in life, there's a dark and a light to all
of this. Right, there's I was under the misconcemption because
the medicine is so healing and so beautiful that how
could anybody use it for the other side? And they do, right,
they do use it for the other side. Do your research,
and you have to have the willingness, right, there has
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to be a willingness. You have to be willing to
do whatever it takes to get the full benefits. You
can go in without that and still get great benefits
in the many time you use plant medicine, you're going
to it's gonna yield like no matter what that looks like.
But also you should definitely use it with the sacredness
of the If you can work with indigenous, it's always
the best, right because it's in their lineage. My only
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fear is that it will it become too sterile, right,
it'll just be like and a lot of the psychiatrists
and psychologists that are getting into this now have never.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Even done it. And that's just to me. Is I
make sure that who you're working with has worked with
the medicine.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I love it. I love it. Well, we are at
the end of this conversation. I thank you so much
for coming on, for being open, from being honest and
transparent and sharing your story with me.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
It's truly remarkable.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
And listen if you are struggling out there, there's hope.
I promise you know. And my life has never been
better and I'm more humble and gratity and gracious for
all of it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So to learn more about Johnny's work and the Rhythmia
Life Advancement Center, visit Rhythmia dot com and you can
check out Johnny on the ground at Jay Messner seven
seven seven, that's JR. Triple seven. And remember, healing is
not a luxury, it's your birthright. Until next time, stay bold,
stay curious, and stay beautiful. This is with a Hydration
with Heart segment brought to you by one Spawnic Coconut.
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after procedures like sea sections, breast surgery, and cosmetic enhancements.
And speaking of sea sections, today we're joined by someone
who gave that conversation a fresh beat and a global spotlight.
Brett Green, known as Dad Got Bars, is a viral
rapper and the nominated actor and unapologetic truth teller about
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the real, raw side of parenting. His heartfelt track Seven Layers,
which was a tribute to his wife's sea section experience,
has touched millions, opening up an entirely new lane for
fatherhood to be expressed with rhythm, reverence, and radical empathy.
Through clever wordplay and deeply personal storytelling, Brett is reshaping
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how we talk about dad's masculinity, postpard and realities and
the emotional labor of parenthood, topics often underrepresented in hip
hop and media. He's not just dropping bars, He's breaking
cycles from viral rhymes to real talk. How Dad god
Bars is rewriting fatherhood through music. Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Love it, Brett, I've been looking forward to this one.
I mean, your voice is a powerful one in this
cultural shift. So let's chat the power of seven Layers.
So your viral wrap seven Layers isn't just catchy, it's
actually sacred. You turned your wife's sea section story into
a public love letter. I mean, it resonated far beyond
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dad's mothers, doulas, nurses, and birth workers. They've reposted it
with tears in their eyes. You really struck a chord.
So what inspired you to write that piece and what
did it feel like when you realized it was going
viral for something so intimate?
Speaker 10 (18:44):
Gosh, I didn't expect it to go so viral. April
was Sea Section Awareness Month. My wife just had a
sea section in January this year.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
So not long ago, and I thought, let's revisit that,
but like.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
From my perspective, what it was like, what it was
like for me to to see her and kind of
feel so helpless there as a dad, And yeah, it
was It was incredible the response I was getting, mostly
from from women who have who have experienced it, even
women who haven't experienced it.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
It was just, you know, for me, I had no
idea what a C section truly truly entailed. Our first
child was a vaginal birth, and so I was kind
of fish out of water in that operating room.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
And so to kind of go back and revisit that,
not only you know what I went through just as
a as a bystander, but of course what my wife
went through and just the the recovery, how incredibly difficult
that was for her.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
I wanted to just see if anybody else could relate,
and clearly a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, a lot of people related. I mean that level
of vulnerability, especially from a dad, is incredibly powerful.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It validates so much many women and shines a light
on an experience that deserves reverence, not silence. Now, let's
chat masculinity rewritten, because essentially this is it, right, We're
in a moment culturally where masculinity is being redefined and
you're right there at the front lines doing it through music.
How has becoming a father changed the way you view
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masculinity and how intentional are you in challenging outdated norms
in your lyrics?
Speaker 9 (20:26):
You know, I was raised by both my mom and
my dad.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
I think my dad was a good example of what
a man is, but definitely was more of like, I'm
going to go to work and make the money and
could barely, you know, make a grilled cheese sandwich, throw
a little bit of pizza in the like a frozen
pizza in the oven kind of guy.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
And I was just like, I don't want to be
that kind of dad.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
I want to be the dad that can make a
really delicious meal for my kids, that can and will
change diapers and get up in the middle of the
night with my wife and be there.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
For every bedtime and every two am feet with our newborns.
You know, I just and it's not just like for
my kids, it's for my wife.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
I feel like, out of respect for her, I don't
think it's fair for a mom no matter what the
the the relationship is in terms of like who's paying
the bills or who's making the money and who's raising
the kids.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Like we don't have this like clear cut.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I do this and you do this.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
It's like it's fluid, you know what I mean, Like
where do you need me? How can I help you?
Speaker 10 (21:25):
How can I support you, especially when you're recovering from
a major surgery like a C section, or you're going
through postpartum depression, or you're just stressed out, you know
what I mean, from like the mental load of being
a mom and and all the things that come along
with that. So I think I think I've I've really
doubled down on how can I be a modern progressive
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dad and then try to show other dads kind of
how that works and sort of lead by example. And
I'm realizing that a lot of a lot of men,
you know, whether it's ego or pride or whatever it is,
they don't want to hear it from another guy I
And so I try to make an impact in men's lives,
but I'm realizing I'm probably gonna have a much more
impactful message to share with women.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
And so that's kind of what I've leaned into is
I just want women to feel seeing. I want them
to feel heard.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
I want to talk about topics that you know, maybe
we haven't talked about in the past, and just just
show them that, you know, there are good men out there.
And and even if your husband doesn't do these things
right now, maybe you could show them some of my
music and be like, well, hey, this guy is doing
this like and not to not to be like a
barometer of like what's supposed to be like a good
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husband or a good dad. But you know, I just
think I think it all comes down to respect. And
it's just I want to respect my kids, and I
want to respect my wife.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Who are you?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I'm dad got barred?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now let's chat the connection. I have to say, it's
no coincidence that you're featured in this Going Deep segment
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your wife some product. But your music does something similar
in an emotional sense. It helps people process, recover, and
feel seen after life altering experiences. And that's what that
song did, that rap about sea sections. But you did
you realize your music was becoming a form of healing
for others? And how has that reshaped your sense of
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purpose as an artist?
Speaker 9 (23:34):
Only recently, yeah, I started, I started releasing music.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Only for a year. Really.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
I mean I've been doing music since I was in college,
since I was a kid, but I really have been
taking it seriously, especially in this lane of like fatherhood
and parenting in the last year.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
And you know, the first probably five or six songs
that I put.
Speaker 10 (23:52):
Out were lighthearted. They were about doing laundry and you know,
why why won't my kids listen to me? And they
were a little more like lighthearted and fun and then
I started to kind of go deep on like obviously
the C section song was extremely deep. I started getting
these responses from women who would message me and they
was like, oh my gosh, like I feel seen, I
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feel heard, Like thank you. I'm watching this with tears
in my eyes. The first song that I ever released
that really made me feel that way was a song
of mine called married Single Mom. And I didn't even
know what that tournam meant. I had literally had a
follower reached out to me, it's like, hey, can you
make a song about this? And I DMed her and
I was like, can you tell me more about this experience?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Like I don't know what this is.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
And she's like, oh, like I got stories for days,
and she just starts feeding me all these stories about
what it means to be a married single mom, which
is essentially a married mother who's got little to no
support from her husband, who feels like she's doing everything.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
And so I kind of took what she said and
turned it into.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
A song, and so many women were just like, oh
my gosh, like this is my life and I just
feel like and deserve the world, and so like, if
I can do like a little bit and do my
part to like help be a voice.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You're speaking my language, and that's such a powerful way
to look at artistry, not just entertainment, but emotional recovery.
You've literally tapped into something deeper and the timing couldn't
be more aligned. So let's chat breaking these generational cycles.
You mentioned something earlier that you wanted to be a
better version of your father. Right in your track Millennial Dad,
(25:27):
you talk about breaking generational cycles. That hit a nerve
with so many, especially those of us trying to do
parenting differently than it was done to us. So what
does that look like for you on a day to
day level, and how do you keep yourself grounded in
the kind of father and partner you're choosing to be.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
I just know that every generation evolves and progresses a
little bit, right, and so if I can do things
just a little bit better or like a little bit
different to make my kids feel loved and supported and.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Being intentional with it. I don't think that my dad.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Ever sought out to like not be supportive or not
be loving, But you know, he gave me the same
kind of love that his dad gave him. With a
little bit of you know, extra sauce on it, and
I feel like I'm doing the same thing. I'm doing
a lot of the same things that my dad did
do for his kids, just with a little bit more empathy,
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a little bit more patience, a little more more respect.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
And so, you know, breaking these curses.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
You know, and my my parents got divorced when I
was a kid, and so that's a big one for
my wife and I as were like, that's the best
way for us to break any kind of these these
generational curses is just just stay together. Give your kids
a mom and a dad in the house their entire childhood,
show them what a healthy relationship can look like.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Show them that there's gonna be tough times and and
and we can get through them.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
You don't just quit, you know, just give up. And
that's not to discredit anybody who's gone through divorce. I
know they can be tough, but you know, I just
I just really want to you know, I don't remember
hearing I love you.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
A ton as a kid.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
You know, you hear it at like special occasions on
your birthday or graduations or things when.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
When they're proud of you.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
But I mean, I'm proud of my daughter for putting
her shoes on the right feet, you know what I mean.
And so I just want to lift my kids up.
And you know, I have a son now and I
want to encourage him, like it's okay to cry, It's
okay to talk about your feelings. You can be sad,
you can be, you can wear a nail polish if
you want to, you can do you can do all
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these things and just try to break through some of
these gender norms that have been, you know, cemented into
our society for such a long time.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
That to me, I just think you're kind of silly.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I mean, listen, it's so refreshing.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To hear a man speak with that level of intentionality
about fatherhood. That's the real work, but quiet daily stuff.
So thank you for naming it right.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's it's important.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So what's next for Dad got Bars? I mean, you've
opened a whole new genre fatherhood meets spoken meets therapy.
But it's clear this isn't the trend for you.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
It's a mission. So what's next for you and Dad
got Bars? How do you hope to continue inspiring conversations.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Through your work?
Speaker 10 (28:10):
Well, I'm really excited about a song I just had
come out a couple of weeks ago. It's called Still Bleeding.
It is a song about postpartum depression for moms who
are still bleeding. You know what I mean, who in
that fourth trimester are You might be home from the
hospital and you've got the baby with you and you're you're, you're,
you're kind of getting into the swing of things, but
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she's still hurting and just continuing to try to be.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
A voice and just an ally a supporter.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
I had.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
I had a funny conversation with my.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Wife this week.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I was like, I have an idea.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
What if I just get like super ripped and go
on tour and just sing songs about postpartum depression and
see section and.
Speaker 11 (28:52):
We do like a little magic mic thing. Okay, like
a little tip and nails thing. Because all my all
my all my followers were women. And she's laughing and
I go, no serious, She's like, yeah, you're not doing that. Well,
We're so ready for whatever's next.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I mean, you've got the heart, you've got the platform
and the message, and the world needs.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
More of exactly that.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
I couldn't agree more so, thank you so much for
coming on.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You can follow him at Dad Got bars on the
Gram and on TikTok and stream his music on all
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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State Area.
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You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven to ten wo R, the Voice of New York iHeartRadio.
I'm your host, Zen Sam's Welcome back to the Better
Brighter You segment brought to you by Cispera, the first
and only clinically proven topical pigment corrector that helps reduce
stubborn discoloration without hydrocnone or retinoids. Today, we're diving into
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the world of skin health through the eyes of one
of the most trailblazing women in dermatology, unpacking the clinical,
the cultural, and the confidence building.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Power of glow.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We're gonna chat from skin signs to social standards with
doctor Jeanine Downey. We're gonna cover hyperpigmentation, womanhood, and why
even and smooth skin is.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
A radical form of self care.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Joining us today is one of the most respected medical
voices in dermatology. Doctor Downey is a Board certified dermatologist
and the founder of Image Dermatology PC right here in Montclair,
New Jersey. She completed her training at Tut's University, American University.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Sunny Downstate, and Mount sign I.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh my goodness, the accolages just keep coming, where she
served as chief Resident. She's been a trusted expert for
The Today Show, The View, Good Morning America, seven ten
wr MSNBC, and she's the co host of the Gist
Show on YouTube. She's also the author of Beautiful Skin
of Color, a go to resource for melanin rich skin,
and an advocate for real results rooted in both science
(31:32):
and empathy, with over one hundred and ten published scientific
papers and counting, She's not going to stop there.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Hey there, so nice to be with you, Zenn.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Thank you for having me back. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
You are one of our experts on the microphone. I
can't wait to chat with you. I want to before
we get into the details of skin and hyperfinmitation, I
want to chat breaking barriers in dermatology. Only about three
percent of dermatologists in the United States our skin of color,
and according to the Journal of the American Academy of
Dermatology that has been updated two years in a row,
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the number is even lower when you consider women in
that subset. Making your presence and leadership in this field
profoundly impactful. But I'd love to know what obstacles or
even challenges did you have to overcome to enter and
rise in such a competitive, really.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Underrepresented field, and what continues to drive you.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
You're very sweet to be accurate. As an African American
female position here in the United States, I represent two
percent of all physicians in the United States. And then
as an African American female physician who is a dermatologist,
I am one point three percent. So I'm two percent
of one point three percent, which is just, you know,
(32:47):
kind of crazy. So I am a unicorn. That being said,
I'm the first African American woman to ever train at
Mount Sinai in the department of dermatology. The first African
American man was in nineteen sixty eight, and then they
had nobody African American for years, and we are considered
still in dermatology today. You are m so underrepresented minorities.
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And then, as we both know, what matters is patient
representation and patient outcomes and health equity.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
For all, not just for some.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Dermatology is the hardest thing to get when you're entering
medical school. A lot of people want to be dermatologists.
It's very difficult and I worked really, really, really hard
my mother. One of the greatest indicators of somebody becoming
a physician is their parents are already physicians. My mother
was the first African American female to graduate from medical
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school here in the state of New Jersey in nineteen
sixty with seven white women and my mom. And they
were told, you should be nurses, you should go home,
you're you're taking a man's job, all that good stuff.
And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, about most of
them are eighty nine or ninety right now, and some
of them still see patients, including my mother, like I said,
(34:05):
who's a pediatrician. And then her father before her was
a dentist back in the roaring days of Harlem. So
I grew up with medicine kind of science on the
brain and on my mind. And my grandfather who was
my sweetheart, and my mom, who was, you know, my advisor,
they both really inspired me. And so when I would
(34:27):
come to my mom and say this crazy racist thing happened,
or this crazy sexist thing happened, I got great advice
and I also got some of the oh please, you know,
and just like just press on, get it done and
get it done. And so part of my family legacy
was upholding and supporting what my grandfather and my mother
both wanted me to do. So it was a matter
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of pride. I already had the intelligence I already had
the brains.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You have a power, very powerful lineage, and thank you
for taking us behind the curtain. And what you've built,
without a doubt, is so much more than a career legacy.
And it's giving permission to the next generation of girls
to see themselves in white. In that white coat, right,
the female factor in patient cares what I want to
talk about next. So there's something uniquely empathetic about female practitioners.
(35:13):
And I say that as a woman who personally seeks.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Out female dermatologists.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Whether it's body image, hormonal changes, or emotional nuance, many
of us just feel more seen by another woman, all right,
And maybe there's there's listeners out there that disagree. But
in your view, how does being a woman influence the
way you treat your patients and how you show up?
Do you find that it shapes your approach to care emotionally, cultrey,
(35:38):
or even intuitively differently?
Speaker 13 (35:40):
It does?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And you know, I have to be honest.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
I mean, I was taught a bedside manner from the
time I was younger, so I always smile. It's the
good morning, it's the good afternoon, it's the how are
you doing, it's the shaking the hand or the elbow thump.
But there's a level of warmth with a lot of
my female doctors that I have been told that I
also possess. And there's a level of connectivity the doctor
(36:05):
has to or should connect with you, look at what
your issues are, look at what your problems are, and
then try to help you figure out what to do
and what not to do to get to your healthcare goals.
And that's one of the things that I think females
are uniquely qualified to do. We are very, very, very
empathetic by nature. And I'm not saying that men aren't empathetic,
(36:27):
so don't misunderstand me. But what I'm saying is we
were taught empathy from a very very young age, and
so I think that really helps to play into every
single female physician I see, and that definitely interplayce with me.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Zed right, Yeah, I agree. Now let's shift the conversation
to hyperpigmentation and gender differences. So hyperpigmentation remains one of
the top concerns in dermatology, especially for patients with deeper
skin tones, but women often face unique triggers, whether it's
hormonal changes, pregnancy, and even stress. All these we know,
can amplify the these conditions. So how does hyperpigmentation affect
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women differently than men and why is it so important
that we understand the gender specific biology behind it.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
A lot of times men will come in and present
with a much more significant case of hyperpigmentation slash dark
patches slash malasma than women because they've waited so long.
In terms of the biology sispera, the five percent and
the seven percent can treat both men and women. But
interestingly enough, many men come in and it's so far
(37:31):
gone that they need additional methods of treatment. They need,
you know, like constant sunscreen, and they need the fade cream,
and maybe they need chemical peels because they let it
go so long, whereas the woman came right in when
you could barely see it on the tip of her
nose type of thing. Men also tend to have thicker
skin than women, so then for they can tolerate some
(37:54):
you know a little bit more rougher, harsh treatment. So
that's also what's important per your question about the biology.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Now, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Society holds women to a much higher aesthetic standard than men.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
From the wrinkle free skin to glass skin trends.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I mean, the pressure is unrelenting, and yet men are
often celebrated for aging while women are told to reverse it.
So do you believe women are held And I know
what you're going to answer, but I want you to
walk us through your thought process. Women are held to
unfair standards of beauty. How do you navigate this reality?
It's a reality in the way you consult and care
(38:28):
for your patients.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
I tell my female patients that come in here that
are hypercritical of themselves that they're human and at the
end of the day, they are human and I am human.
And you know, if you have hyperpigmentation, it's part of
getting older and it's part of sun damage. So I
talk to them about using proper blue light sunscreens, like
the Zeo has a broad spectrum sunscreen that I really
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like a lot that rubs in well to all skin
types from the lightest of light to the darkest of
dark skin. Medicas one called tdn R Total Events and
Repair that I also recommend. I like the Sispera a lot,
and it works really well, and put it on specifically
whatever dark patches it is that they have, leave it
on for fifteen minutes and do that every other night,
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and then as we go along, I increase the length
of time that they can leave it on their face.
But I basically feel women in particular because they want
everything to be so perfect and they feel like, oh
my God, like what is happening to me? They come
in a lot of them will have makeup on. That's
that thick. That's not helping me to spend a half
an hour cleaning your face. Come in with sunscreen on
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so I can see your face. Stop holding yourself to
this high, high standard, and let's do what we can.
We are where we are now, we need to move forward.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Now. Malasma is in a torusly stubborn condition, especially for
US women. It's tied to hormonal shifts, sun exposure, genetics.
I mean, it's often emotionally draining to manage. Why is
malasma so gendered in its impact? How do women defer anatomically,
hormonally and emotion when it comes to dermatological care.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
You see malasma much more in women than you do
in men. And originally it was thought of as the
pregnancy eruption that comes up, and the reality is a
lot of people have never been pregnant and still have malasma.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
So that's not it at all.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
It's hormonal fluctuations plus sun damage plus stress that can
put these patches on your face. And then there's the
female boss saying to somebody that works for her, Hey,
is that dirt on your face? Of course it's not dirt.
Of course that person took a shower. But that's why
there's so much emotional burden to this, because so many
people feel like, oh my god, I don't look clean,
(40:37):
I don't look healthy. If you add in IUDs or
birth control pills or some other type of hormonal form
of birth control, then the malasma can get worse. And
then there's genetics. Malasma runs in my family.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Now let's chat from glogoals to game plans.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Some patients arrive with specific concerns like you just said
the dark Spot texture tone.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Others, I'm sure, come in simply saying I want to
look better.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I mean. In either case, the desire for healthy even
skin is often at the root. Like you said, we've
been chatting about Sispera today. But products like Seispera, backed
by all their clinicals that are very inclusive, by the way,
have changed the game when it comes to addressing this
quote unquote discoloration without the harsh side effects. When you
guide your patients, especially those without a clear request, toward
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meaningful results in tone and texture, what are your go
to treatments when it comes to building a bright balance foundation.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I mean Sispera is one of them. What else do
you have in your toolbox?
Speaker 7 (41:36):
So when they come into office, optimally they would bring
in everything that they're using, so I can look at
what science backed and what's science based, Like you said before, Zen,
if it's not science backed and it's not science based,
I am completely uninterested. I talk to them about blue
light from their phone and their computer, and I talk
to them about visible light and how that can activate
your melanicites. Mine originally got activated because I'm an X
(41:58):
like guard and ex limen struck, an X swim jam.
So my teenage years were spent baking in the New
Jersey sun. And then at twenty I develop malasmo, which
is really early. Most people not until like their thirties,
but me twenty yay, And so I tell everybody the
same thing. I've been dealing with this for forever. I
refuse to wear two pounds of makeup, so I take
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them through cleansers that lightly exfoliate that might be enzymatic,
like RESTORESI I take them through moisturizers that help to
even out their skin tone, like scenta dermal repair. I
take them through sunscreens that protect against blue light, because
a lot of the overcounter sunscreens do not protect against
blue light, like the ZO sunscreens or the total defense
of repair from skin Medica. I take them through the
(42:40):
sispera that I want them to use when they get
home for five to fifteen minutes on their face and
much longer on their body. We do peel pads that
they do at home. There's a lot of other fading
cream treatments that I use along with this icepera. Those
would be like the Obaji vitamin C hydrocronone or the
Zo pigment control in blending. So I have a lot
(43:03):
in my repertoire. Here in the office, we do the ipiels.
We're about to start doing these Z three step peels.
We do rejuvenized peels, and then I do tons of laser.
The laser MD system is a thulium so that helps
specifically with pigmentation. I have something called a multifrax that's
dual that helps with pigmentation. And then of course I
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have the big bad frax al that I use also,
and all of those things are good for all skin
types because I try to be very, very inclusive with
what I use in my practice so that everybody can use.
It's in so I have weapons in my armamentarian to
help to bite hyperpigmentation like crazy, because I suffer from
it also. And then I tell them if you don't
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reapply your sun blocks in like you know pretty much.
I mean, it depends on how hot the day the
day is. But even in the middle of the winter rope,
I'm driving somewhere and it's raining sideways and it's leading,
I'm still reapplying my some block. But you know, this
t of year, with the weather getting warmer, I tell
everybody reapply the sunblock like it's going out of business
or else.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I thank you so much for coming on. You're a
being of beacon of brilliance and we live we are
in an industry, specifically you that desperately needs your voice.
I mean, you've redefined what it means to care for
skin through truth, compassion, and clinical precision.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
And that's why I love having you on.
Speaker 7 (44:24):
Thank you so much, Sin and I really enjoy being here.
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That was the better Wright You segment brought to you
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Speaker 3 (44:41):
They're located right here in the Tristate area in Montclair,
New Jersey, and do check her out on the ground.
You're gonna love her page filled with insight, style and
a lot of great fashion tips at Janine Downey and
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gold and bitcoin.
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I know that all of US have been keeping a
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So I understand that you see a relationship.
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Can you explain and write this down for us?
Speaker 12 (46:48):
Yeah.
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I mean I'm one of the few guys in the space,
maybe because I'm older, but I actually came to bitcoin
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I've been a longtime gold guy, but I think it's
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Real interest rates that the FED had implemented, and so
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Speaker 15 (47:34):
And I think that's the same sort of concept behind bitcoin.
There are many different concepts, many different reasons to own it,
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important in your brain. All right, So let's just talk
about some of the important things about gut health that
we need to know the three things I want to
address pre.
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Biotic, probiotic, and post biotic. Pre biotic think of it
as a fertilizer. So it's like you know, you have
a plant and you need the plant to grow, so
you fertilize it.
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That's your pre biotic. So foods high in this are like.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Bananas, apple, garlic.
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Those things give the nice growth or set up the
temple and your gut health for it to treat you
really well.
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Then you have your probiotics.
Speaker 16 (50:27):
Think of your probiotics as lies bacters, so there are
It helps balance the microbiome in your gut health. Those
are things like your fermented food like yogurt.
Speaker 13 (50:38):
Now, a post biotic is basically a byproduct of the probiotics,
so that's something that's an afterfact.
Speaker 16 (50:45):
Okay, whenever you're purchasing your food, you're looking at prebiotic, probiotic,
impost biotic, and you you need to think about those
three differences. They're all important in your gut health. Remember,
the access of your gut and your brain are uniform
collection and that conversation or that email that your gut
since your brain happens through your vegus nerve and there
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are many new transmitters that are secreted in communication. That's
your serotonin and your dopamine. And whenever there's a malfunction
meaning that poor gud health is maintained or poor nutrition
is maintained, your brain suffers. And not only that, your
skin suffers. So your skin can show some manifestation of
your gut health.
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And those two are related.
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And if you ever wonder, like you know, sometimes you
get like this butterfly fiddling when you're nervous, that's your
gut talking to your brain. So those two systems are
very compatible. And it's important in this day of age
of wellness and health consciousness, understanding that gut health is
part of your beauty hack and beauty hacks is very
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important because.
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It gives you ment to clarity. So all three function
really all together.
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