It Takes Less Time To Do A Thing Right Than To Explain Why You Did It Wrong

It Takes Less Time To Do A Thing Right Than To Explain Why You Did It Wrong

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Mark Weber.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm in a great mood tonight watching the world go by.
Don't get me wrong, world mess. This world's a mess.
I think about what's going on in the city.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Curtis Leewall lived in the city, in the Boroughs, New Yorker.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who gets it. I knew him, I worked together with him.
I know he is a brilliant, courageous sky who developed
his own language. Wants to save the city. What does
he get in return? Step away, You're ruining the election.
Some thank you Trump? Trying to end wars. Trying to
end all wars gets no credit. Here's the world on Trump.

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Do what you want, fellow Americans. As long as you
hate Trump no common sense, then the life we're living.
Prices are through the roof. Trump forty five premium gas
was two dollars and fifty cents under Biden five dollars
Trump forty seven, three dollars and seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Nine cents for premium gas. No one's talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
People can't afford what they used to afford, but we're
just accepting it. We're getting used to it. Talking about
accepting water, first of all, when did it be okay
that we had to buy water? And why are we
buying water? Because we can't trust the government to provide
safe water any longer. That's a supermarket. A bottle of
water is two dollars at the mall, and the vening

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machine bottle there is five dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
At my club. I have a bottle of water eight
dollars and a New York City hotel ten dollars. The
interesting thing here is the worth is not measured in
the product. The worth its value is in where you
are now when you think about it, I don't know
about you. I'm going to spend my time where my
value is most appreciated. Think about that. Think about that

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in your life. Think about how important it is the
people you choose, the friends you choose, the place of
work you choose. Where you decide to spend your time
should be where your value is most appreciated, where your
worth is.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's a wonder. I avoid people on the consumer side
of things, buying and purchasing, being on the route. I'm
a consumer. We all are.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Do we know what we want? Do we know what
to expect? Do we know how to evaluate what we get?
Do we get what we pay for? I know you
don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I know we're getting ripped off me I suppose I
really don't. It doesn't matter. The country's nuts, the world
is nuts. We avoid the truth, our old brainwash. But
I am happy tonight walking through the city and living
through the nonsense. I just wonder when we forgot it
takes less time to do a thing right, then explain

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why you did it wrong Henry Wad's work, Longfellow. I'm
gonna repeat that because there's the theme of tonight choke.
It takes less time to do a thing right than
explain why you did it wrong. This week, I enjoyed
New York City sun was out. I avoided people for
the most part. I got to chat with indoctrinated cult followers,

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brainwash people. In fact, the part of me don't want
to be Larry David Mark Wherever's side of me actually
got to see Larry David This week. I did spend
time shopping, although I did spend more time returning what
I bought. But I enjoyed life in spite of my
cynical side taking over. So here I am observing and listening.

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I'll take a moment to comment on the New York
City and they are all race. I'm a big fan
of Chris Como. I believe in second chances. He's getting
a second chance on News Nation. He's smart as can.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Be, articulate, and more importantly for me personally, He's been
great to my son. He's been great to Jesse. He's
had him on as a guest. Jesse's the legal contributor
on News Nation, and Jesse now is one of the
primary guest hosts. When Chris is out, so Chris's brother
is running Andrew Cromo. Andrew Cromo has the experience. He's

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been a man of the people along the way. He
knows what he has to do.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So I support Chris Como and I support Andrew Cromo.
Curtis Leewe he's also a good choice. The problem is credibility.
He does have the heart, the courage, the desire to
fix the city. He's been on the streets for as
long as we remember, trying to protect the citizens. He

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has ideas, he knows what's wrong. He deserves. Really, if
it's such a thing in deserving, he deserves the job.
The problem is his credibility. You know, the Curtis Leewan
red beret stands for a lot in New York, but
it doesn't stand for maya. He's taken off as Superman
costume and put on a business suit. But the problem

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is credibility. If Curtis this is an idea, Curtis presented
his cabinet, people experience, an expertise for his ministration, I
think he would have had a better chance. I think
he still would. Okay, who would be the finance ot
of the city. I'd say Larry Kudlow. He should also

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name a deputy mayor and say it would be that
the Blasio. Eric Adams of.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bloomberg Chief of Police keep the current chief of police.
I don't know has he gotten the units to stand
up for him? He should.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think he'd be a good guy with the team. Curtis,
if you're listening, I remember listening to them when I
was getting ready. I made a few appearances on a show.
I was mesmerized. Oh well, I guess enough. On politics,
all I could say is, you get what you pay for.
In this case, you get what you vote for. Good luck,
New York City. Let the buyer beware. It's unfortunate we

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elect people government by personality. Let's see who wins. I'm
a New Yorker and I spent time in New York asleep.
Larry David had a concert show in New York City.
They go little Broadway show, but it was on the
Beacon Theatre. I'll come back to that in a minute.
One day only sold out.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I was one of the two eight hundred and ninety
four people sitting at the Beacon Theater to see a
conversation with Larry David. I admit I had nose bleeded seats.
I was in the upper echelons in the theater. Probably
ten rows from the back nose bleeds, and there were
thousand dollars. Crazy, you do the math. A lot of

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money that night. Now, I gotta tell you, I was
one of the two thousand somewhat people who think were
as clever as Larry David.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Everyone there thought they were a version of Larry David.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I was more fascinating about arriving at the Beacon Theater.
When I arrived, I got.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Out of my car. There were thousands of people mulling around,
and it turned out these people on lines to get
in the theater. I rushed like crazy to make it
for seven thirty and seven thirty nobody was in thousands
waiting to get in line. I'm not a good line person.
I'm not a line guy. My first reaction is to
jump the line. But however, it's one thing to jump

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the line in Disney World, it's another in New York City.
New Yorkers don't put up with that crap so easily. However,
I got lucky. I wasn't just me, I had other
people with me. I also ran into my son who
was there, Jared, my oldest son, and we got into talking.
We both were laughing at the inconvenience of standing out
there waiting online like amateurs. But for me, the story

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is always or for us has always always come down
to Trump, and believe it or not, there were protesters
in the song they believe it or not. They were
protesters in the form of sign carrying bro shure delivering
dumb Trump at any course, men, women organize the complaint.
First of all, I decided I gotta talk to these people.

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They behaved themselves, and.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Better than going to the back of the line and
waiting online, I decided to walk up to the first
nut job. Whoops, ooh, sorry, I'm jumping ahead. I'm walking
up to this woman of age and I said, Hi,
I'm glad you're here. And she smiles and she goes,
we gotta get rid of Trump, dumb Trump. I say, yeah,
we do, but just help me here. Why do you

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think that? And her first answer was he's a fascist,
And I said.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You gotta help me. I'm naive.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
What's a fascist? She says, he's a fascist. And I'm
looking at I'm seeing a person who's brainwashed. There's a
cult like craziness in her eyes. So I try again
just to see where this is going, and I say,
between us, it ordered me to really get on board here.
I have to ask do you think anything Trump is

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done is good? And if you do, I don't tell anyone.
And then she says he's an evil fascist. I said, yeah,
but he seems to be stopping wars. Don't you think
he closed the borders? Do you think he's doing anything?
We have to get rid of him.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
She says. I gave up and decided to talk to
another mutant, this time an older guy. So I say, hey, man,
we gotta get Trump out. He's a fascist. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I was just talking to that woman there. I asked
her between us anti trumpers, do you think anything he's
doing is right? He's a fascist? Okay? Why is he
a fashion? Tell me out here. I want to get
on board with you. You had one word. Do you
want to guess what it was?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Fascist?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well that's consistent. I gotta tell you that. I had
questions though. First of all, hadn't they knowed be there?
It was a big event and there was a scene.
It certainly wasn't organic. After all, they had posters, they
had slogans, they had giveaways, beautiful printed. These people, I
have to tell you, were scary they were zealous, they
were brain dead, They didn't have an opinion. They were

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peeting what somebody else's told them. They were there to
convert me, but they didn't know how. And I was
really taken aback by the whole scene. You make the
effort to be thee, you might as well be good
at it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
The line subsides, and my friends and I walk into
an amazing scene. Young people, old people all together for
a good time. Larry David concertour at the Beacon Theater. Now,
before I go in there, I didn't read a view view.
I didn't read it before. I still haven't read a review.
It's my style. I like to be surprised. I like
to be entertained. My favorite movies, for example, I don't

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ever watch coming attractions.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I walk in. I don't want to know what's happening.
If it's a.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
James Bond movie and Daniel Craig is being interviewed, I
won't watch it, as much as I want to hear
what he had to say. It's Tom Cruise, Mission Apossible.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I turned the thing.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I want to be surprised, I want to be entertained.
I walked in. I had no idea and here's my
take on the show. I guess if I had to
say anything, I would say he was extremely lazy.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Two guys in a chair, just talking now. He had
a moderator, an NBC guy, Willie Guys. He was articulate, professional.
He had been a guest on Curb Your Enthusiasm, and
he asked questions that were relevant to Larry David. He
talked about how he started in Seinfeld Starry Dalary David

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talked about he didn't know what to do when he
graduated from school.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Thought about it being an actor. He thought it would
be easy. Seems like an easy thing to do. He
tried stand up comedy, but he didn't think he was
funny until he was funny. And then he turned to writing,
and he said, who knew? Who knew I could write?
He didn't have a clue he could write. They showed
a bunch of clips from Curb.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
They were good.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Talked about the episodes twenty five years Curb Your Enthusiasm. Wow,
had no idea it was twenty five years, but it
was amazing. Talked about how much he loved and how
much he loved the people who worked with how the
brilliance of doing nonscripted TV off the cuff. They had
a theme and they just went with it, and the
actors were amazing. I kept wondering when they had the

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audience questions afterwards, whether or oh yeah, he brought on Susie,
Jeff Gollin's wife. She was funny but a little boring,
too much in love with what they accomplished. They took
audience questions. I should have gone up there. My question
would have been, you love it, You've done it? Are
you still engaged? Have you lost your mind? You seem
very carb. Why don't you continue? Why do you walk

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away from something that well? My review on Larry Day Show,
I think it's going around the country. Everyone had a
disappointingly good time. I say disappointedly because there wasn't much
substance to it, but it was a good time. The
familiarity brought like minded people together in an intimate setting,

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talking common language. Everyone there believed they could be a
Larry David. They're all clones in their imagination.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I often think about the show and things that I
say and things that come up with and I say,
this is a Larry David episode, Like I just did
on the streets with those people. Everyone had a good time.
Everyone walked out on smiling. There's something that you said.
To the arts, the Broadway, off Broadway, to the movies,
the theater, everywhere you go, even radio podcast. People want

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to have a good time, and they did and for
that reason, I'd loved the show.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh by the way, at one point.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Larry mentioned Sheryl Hines and he made that face and
reference RFK Junior, another Hollywood liberal learned from Anyway back
to Trump. Oh well, we can't get out of the
bottom line. It was like a friendly get together. I
thought it was a ripoff, absolutely not enough new material.
But I go again. It was lazy, so much for

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conversations in club chairs. But I did have a good
time and everyone else did, and you gotta give it
a lot of credit. But I can't help them thinking
talking tonight's show, it takes less time to do a
thing right, then explain why you did it wrong. You
could have been better, Larry, You've been on Broadway before.

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Back in a moment.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Here's your host, Mark Webber.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I was thinking I'm going to great mood. By the way,
I just can't tell you. Even though the world is
a mess, I'm happy right now and I've been out
and about it, going to different places, really enjoying the city.
I was thinking I've tried never to compromise in anything
I do. Having said it, I do make mistakes. I

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shop too much, duplicating the things I like, searching for perfection.
No one should need twelve denim jackets, but I have them.
No one should need twenty five black VNX sweaters or
twenty pairs of white sneakers. I'm excessive, I admit it.
I'm compulsive. I have admitted I'm driven to perfection, always

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trying to critique or add on to that item that
I own, to find the perfect one that I could
have with me for the rest of my life. I'm
compulsively driven to perfection. Creativity plays an ugly part here.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I know what I want when I think I find it,
I want more more than one of them. I want
to have it forever. I want it for perpetuity. And
yet at the same time, I'm a chaser of the new.
I love every car that I buy. I enjoy driving them,
I'm in them. I'm happy. It's like a pleasure of
mind to drive a car I like, and the minute

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the minute a new model comes out in the car
i'm driving, I'm out of love. It doesn't last the
test of time. It doesn't last the new face that
it was just shown, and I change and I buy
a new car. In business, I strive for perfection every
step of the way. Creativity paired with curiosity led me

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to trying to make products of perfection. Every button, every thread,
every color, every shape, every color. I want it perfect.
And the truth is, rarely did I ever make anything
that was perfect. But it didn't stop me from trying. No,
I don't mean perfection just or clothes or shoes and business.

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If I was to write you a letter, even a text,
I would work hard and diligent to make the points
with the least amount of verbiage as clear as humanly possible.
It was always a burden when I was asked questions.
I strive to be succinct, thorough and clear, and I'd
probably tell you a story to make the points. You

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understood the endgame better than I could have done any
other way. I always wanted to be great when I spoke.
I recognize words matter, every word, concept, presentation, thought, knew
how to be convincing. I dared to be great because
I knew good was the enemy of great. In my

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personal style and selection, my wardrobe, in my view, was perfection.
It was minimalist in selection, focused on simple colors, wealth, fit, tailored,
and always of quality. Once again, perfection and simplicity. Everything
I do has and purpose, from hello to avoiding having

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to say hello. Well done is better than well said
to this end tonight, this show is dedicated to the
idea that it takes less time to do a thing
right and explain why you did it wrong. And back
to shopping. I've been shopping for fall like you.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I have everything, I need everything, yet I'm looking for
certain basics. I already have a million of hold that thought.
Amazon came to my attention this week and I want
to talk about them a little. I'm a huge believer
in Amazon. I'm a zealot for Amazon. My first choices

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on anything I need is always Amazon, from sponges, the blankets,
from Thishwanagin detergent to denim. And Amazon wants the fashion business.
I know because I met them early on when I
was trying to explode the fashion your business, and I
know how important it is to them.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
They want brands growing their portfolio. All they are expanding now.
If I'm not looking for Ralph Lauren, I'm going to
Amazon first. Well, sorry, I do look at myself as
an Amazon ambassador, and I have to tell you, Amazon,
You're not good enough at it. I hate to say it,

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but I have too many disappointments, too many returns, and
the reason is you're not explaining it well. Your descriptives
are not forthright. It's hard to understand what I'm buying.
Often you don't give fabric content. Am I looking at polyester?
I'm looking at cotton? Am I looking at a cryllic?

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Or I'm looking at wooll? I can't tell them. You
don't tell me.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Your fits aren't consistent from brand to brand. That's a
problem that anyone has that carries multiple brands. But I
don't feel good about it.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Quality is a guess, and I guess which you pay
for now. Amazon Essentials, for those of you out there,
are trustworthy. But there too, I have too many returns.
And this from a guy who's a fan and owns
your stock. Anybody from Amazon wants to reach out, you
can find me on LinkedIn or always in fashion Instagram.

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Now that that's o a way, and I've lost my
connections to Amazon.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Back to life. Back to life. It's winter now. Generally speaking,
I live in White pants always always, but if not
outside this time of the year, I'm wearing white pants
in the house, and this time of the year I
convert to black. I'll wear any kind of pants, dress
pants are cargo pants, as long as they're black. And

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as long as they're black, I know I'm gonna look great.
But the truth is black during the days often too severe,
which at this time of the year leads me to jeans.
Now me jeans jacket in the summer, all jeans pants
in the winter only. And why does this have me

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talking about this tonight? Because when I think of jeans,
I think of the Gap. Now that's not to say
that if you went into any Macy store, there'd be
a huge selection of jeans. Same for Bloomingdale, Saved from Nordstroms,
any major department store whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Used selection in jeans. And while I'm out at the J. C.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Penny Company, Nicole's Company, TJ Max, all I have jeans,
But I'm drawn to the Gap because Gap is one
of my great disappointments in fashion history. I have to
tell you, back in the eighties and nineties, Gap.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Ruled the world. They were the best retailer that anyone
has ever seen. And allowed them to buy Banana Republic
and turn it into what it is, or what it
was then it was a lot bigger than it was now,
allowed them to establish Old Navy as one of the
foremost brands in the world. Gap was so strong there

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was not a manufacturer, designer, or merchant who would ever
begin a season without first walking into the Gap. They
were amazing. From soup to nuts, Gap was extraordinary. They
had the best color palettes of anyone you would ever see. Now,
I'm a believer in if ten people walk in your store,

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appealing to ten people, I know I could do that
with navy or black or white. But when you get
to the peripheral colors, you start to wane and you
start to risk your assortments and your profitability. Not the Gap.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Their seventh, eighth, and tenth color were also very good.
They had a pulse on America and telling me about
a pulse on America. Their assortments were so specific and
so well done. They appealed to everyone. If I walked
into a GAP store with my wife, with my son,
with my mother or father, we could all buy something

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that Gap.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Chances are we might have all bought the same item
because they were available in men's and women's similarly, one
of course Stealer for women and one of course Taylor
for men. A polo shirt, cotton sweater, a jacket, pair
of khakis or jeans. Gap had it, and they appealed
to everyone. They were amazing, amazing, amazing. And I this

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week out and about stumbled on Gap Outlet and I
ended up buying some things there. Now, the experience when
I walked in, you know me if you look to me.
I don't want anything to do with people per se,
but I am curious, and I'm always interested in how
well people are trained. I'm always interested in what I

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have to say. And I walked into this Gap Outlet,
which I haven't been in many long time. The articulous
store in my neighborhood at one point was regular Gap
and then became a Gap outlet.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Now I know, of course, what the difference between an
outlet store and a regular price store is. But I
woke up to the woman behind the desk, who appeared
to be the manager, and I said, I whispered, there
are other people of store. What's the difference between Gap
Outlet and regular Gap? And she looked at me and
quietly said, well, let me answer you this way. A

(28:27):
lot of people have questions about our quality and all
the other products other than Jens, but our genes are
just as good as the Gap genes. Crazy way to
defend or explain what a gap outlet is for me?
What is a Gap outlet? A Gap outlet is a
combination of leftover products that we get from GAP and

(28:48):
newly designed products with Gap quality that we could do
at a different price because our overhead is different. We
don't operate in major walls where the rent is very high,
but we make great quality for America to enjoy for
those people who can't afford to shop in our regular
Gap stores. You could trust it. We take returns. We

(29:09):
have the same return policy as regular Gap. We stand
by our quality and we're great. That's not what I got.
What I did, debt was a couple of pair of
genes from the Gap and I loved them.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
They were watering leg right now. I always prefer a
wider leg. And I bought three pair and I took
them home and I loved them until I did. I
want to tell you a little story and a little
caper that has to do with this excursion into Gap Outlet,

(29:43):
so I should stop by saying I walked through the assortment.
There was limited, limited in range, limited in color, and frankly,
I didn't think the style was all that great to
begin with, but you can find items. I again am
disappointed when Gap was Gaped was the most amazing store
for the last twenty to thirty years. It's not.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
They've gone through a succession of CEOs, one after the
other after None of them are merchants, and whoever they
pick as their merchant seems not to want to be differentiated,
doesn't seem to know how to bring it back to
his glory. But I'm putting that aside because I still
shopped him and buy things from occasion, and I guess
that's where we are in the world at shopping. Every

(30:24):
store has its purpose, every pot as a cover. Every
time shop in any store, you could find something. I'd
like to shop in one store and buy everything, but
it's just not the case. Even Ralph Lauren doesn't have
everything I want. And I'm a very discerning shopper because
they come from this world. I know where the value is.
And I'm a big fan of outlets because I was
there when outlet stores were developed for everyone, and I

(30:47):
know exactly how it works. But before I get into
my story of the genes that I purchased at Gap,
one very lightwashed, one medium wash, and one dark washer,
and they were great, so thinner than I've been. So
the cor I went down to a lower waiste and
I was excited about that. But in order to tell
you my story about the Gap Jeens, I have to

(31:09):
tell you a story about cotton and the truth of cotton.
So let me stop by saying to you, cotton arguably
is one of the most comfortable fabrics that you could wear.
It doesn't cling to the body, It absorbs perspiration, it

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breathes well, it's generally soft. It doesn't scratch, it doesn't it.
Cotton is your friend. I've always been a lover of cotton.
I came from a world where dress shirts were polyestern
cotton dress shirts. The polyester gave stability and allowed dress
shirts to become permanent. Press cotton was always needed in iron,

(31:51):
but the feel against your body was so special that
the right cotton that you can never compete with any
blended shirt against cotten today, Blends or microfibers or special
fabrics that are high shine and synthetic have a different
appeal to us as consumers. All the workout clothes or

(32:13):
are not natural fibers, not cotton. They're designed to keep
you warm, keep you flexible, there's a lot of strength.
The best ones have cotton on the inside which allows
it to absorb your perspiration, and then the technical fabric
on the outside to let the air out. But having
said that, I'm a cotton fan, and genes for the

(32:34):
most part, were always cotton. Now they have a certain
degree of spandex of stretcho like that allows them to
cling to the body. That's a story for another day. However, cotton,
the truth about cotton is that cotton shrinks, and cotton
shrinks a lot. I don't care who you are, what
you make, where your cotton is from. Cotton shrinks. It's

(32:59):
just one of those properties of life. No matter what
you do with cotton, it shrinks. Now, those people who
have expertise in manufacturing understand how cotton needs to be
treated in the mandurufacturing process, particularly for ditwear. When I
say nitwere I'm talking about knit shirts, I'm talking about sweaters,

(33:21):
talking about polar shirt, Cotton shrinks. Now he's The interesting
thing there is a north, south, and east and west
in any fabric that you buy. I don't know how
many of you who's seen rolls of fabric, But when
you make a cotton shirt in knitwear, a cutting table
where you cut the parts to assemble to make the

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shirt could be anywhere from fifty to one hundred feet
in length, and the cotton comes in on a big
roll knitted fabric, and people they call it spreading the
cotton lay the cotton out. They take a piece of
cotton and they roll it out for sixty or one
hundred feet, then roll it back the other way, and
it's like a adulum. They go back and forth and
roll the cotton until it's twelve inches thick, and that's

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when it's prepared to be cut to be made into
a garment. People that know cotton know the quality cotton
deserves to be dwell time. It has to sit and dwell.
That twelve inches of fabric sitting on top of one
another creates compression and weight and allows the cotton to

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reach its natural state. When you cut the cotton, it
won't shrink and crawl into little pieces. It stabilizes me.
That's the first thing and knowing quality. When I used
to work at PVH for the Azon brand, I was
trying to make the perfect golf knit shirt. I had
to compete against Ralph Lauren. I could now do the
brand image. I couldn't put my Apholo pony on it,

(34:48):
but I could make it a great shirt that appealed
to men. And at the time I had an idea.
I looked at what was going on with men, and
men were gaining weight. They weren't felt images. There was
a slim cut business, but the general feeling of fit
for men how to be generous, and I thought it
needed to be comfortable. And to this day, I think
if you look at eyes on specs and the knitwearer

(35:10):
and golf shirts, et cetera, or their polo shirts, they're
a little bigger than everyone else. Why Because I wanted
to be comfortable. But more importantly, I was worried about
cotton shrinking. And I talked to my head of manufactory
FELLA named Andrew Lee, who was in charge of all
the sourcing of cotton and cotton fabrics and cotton scarmets

(35:30):
all over the world, and I said, I'm worried. And
when I buy competitive brands. I won't use them by name.
I go play golf, I wash the shirt and it
shrinks in inches, and after two or three things, it
set my belly button rather than in my ways. What
is this about, he said, Mark, As you know, cotton
shrinks in the length, not in the whip. And no

(35:51):
matter what you do with it, no matter what anyone
says to you, no matter what fabric manufacture you talk to,
there's no way that you will avoid cotton and shrinking,
let alone cotton shirts shrinking. So the only thing you
can do if you don't want to shrink to uncomfortable side,
as you said to your belly button, you have to

(36:11):
cut the garments and manufacture the garments longer. And I
said how much longer? And he said, well, cotton will
shrink anywhere from three to ten percent. It comes down
to how comfortable you are and how much risk do
you want to take. So I said to him. At
the time, I was the powerhouse in the company. I
made these decisions, and I said, I want our eyes

(36:32):
on golf shirts, our eyes of polo shirts. And I
was on admit shirt to never shrink to the belly
button if that means cutting them ten percent.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I want to cut them. I want to make the
shirt three inches longer than anybody else's shirt. Go out,
negotiate with the Vengers and tell me what the cost
will be for increasing it by three inches. Pretty much
across the board. I was able to do it three
inches out any additional cost, and I did it. And
for the history of my tenure at Eyza, and I

(37:00):
hope they haven't changed. I am hoping that they kept
expects the way I delineated with my friend Andrew, that
we oversized and overcut and gave the dwell time to
the fabric. That if our eyes on shirts are sprinking
three percent or ten percent, three inches is covering it
and you'll never be unhappy. And that's the truth about cotton,

(37:20):
as they say that here. I am back to gap outlet.
I bought my three pair of jeens and I went
home and I tried on the first pair, which I loved.
They were a summer wash, which looks really cool.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
This time of year. I put them on in my
narrow waist. They fit me at the waist. I look
down They're too short and I want to scream. They're
too short either, they weren't cut in the right spec
they weren't cut oversize, and when they were washed, because
old gens, fabrics and genes get washed, takes out the
surplus dye and he creates the rugged feeling of that

(37:55):
you've worn these genes your whole life. When you put
them on, they were too short, and I was really
really discouraged. I was more discouraged for gap than I
was for myself, because I could always get another pair.
And herein I came up with a caper, and I'm
deciding on what to do, and I have to admit
I haven't decided whether I would do or not. You see,

(38:18):
I washed the jeans. I wore them three times. Too short,
I wore them around the house, I wore them twice outside,
and I might as well throw them away. I can't
wear them. And I have a choice here to wash
them and return them as washed, or to wash them
and return them as never washed.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
See.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I bought two pair in the same color, and what
I can do. I tried on the second pair and
they were the right lanes. So here we have this
in consistency where I, for one don't know I could
take off the labels and the signs I have the receipt,
put it on the genses I just washed. Bring them
back and say I want to change them for a
different side. While I can tell them the truth. Well

(38:59):
they accept the turn after I've washed them. I don't know,
and I'm laboring my conscience. It's not a lot of
money even if they don't return them. I only know
that I bought a pair of jeans trusting in the
Gap and they're not right, and I wonder what should
I do. You see, I don't mind spending money, but

(39:19):
I hate wasting money. And one of these two pair
of jeans, I've wasted money. So in tonight's show, let
me remain consistent as I talk and complain about various
different providers. I didn't mean in the show to be that,
but it's turning out to be that. I remind you, Gap,
it tasts less time to do a thing right than

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to explain why you did it wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Always in fashion.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Ven using actually the name Venues, and first time I
heard it I thought was an old man's company. I
was in an interview and I was being offered a
job to work that said, it's old man's company. And
the headhunter who is recruiting me, you're an idiot. Said,
they're a public company, They're one of the world's great
shirt makers. And if, in fact you feel they're old,
that's why they want young people like you Mark to

(40:09):
change the company and to bring it into the next century.
And lo and behold, I joined them. I put my
heart and soul in that company. I did everything I
can to participate in making it one of the world's
great brands. And it is. If you look at Van
using they called sportswear. I don't understand the name sportswear.
I don't understand neckwear when you're talking about ties. I
don't understand the name hosiery when you're talking about socks.

(40:32):
I'm not sure I understand the name sportswear when you're
talking about men's clothing. Well, men's clothing is complicated because
that in the retail venue means suits and sport codes.
Having said that, Van used in sportswear, shirts, sweaters, knitwear amazing.
Men use it as a modern approach to fashion that

(40:53):
appeals to a broad base of Americans. First of all,
it's affordable. You find it in stores that you visit
that you could afford to participate it. You could buy
multiple items that are all coordinated together. Them primary colors
start with black and tan and gray and navy. They're
all salable. They make sense. The knitwear in the spring

(41:14):
of the year, amazing golf shirts, amazing polo shirts in
the fall of the year, whether it's polar fleas or sweaters.
Then use it as a modern approach to fashion. You
buy the pants, the dress shirts, the suits, the neckwear.
But in particular I'm talking about the coordinated collection sportswear
in venues. The styling is perfect, the fits a generous,

(41:35):
the design to make you feel comfortable, not only are
in your body by the fit, but in your head.
Then using sport collections are one of my favorite to
this day. And believe me, I'm involved when I see
the lines. If I don't like them, I call the
principles of the company and say what are you doing?
But I don't have to do it because their taste
level is right. If you want to buy affordable men's

(41:59):
clothes that look right, if you're modern, you want to
get dressed for the day and look your part, you
want to go out at night, van using will work
for you. I am supporting and recommending you go see
Van using Sportsman J C. Penny or online at your
favorite stores. Van Usen a brand that has always been

(42:19):
with me and I'll always have a soft spot in
my heart for it. As one of the world's most
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(42:41):
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(43:02):
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(43:45):
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(44:06):
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Speaker 1 (44:13):
Welcome back to it. Always in fashion here's your host,
Mark Webber.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
I have been out and about a lot this week,
and I have to admit I've been spending a lot
of time in Brooklyn, and I've been down in Dumbo,
and it's really a spectacular era. All young people, a
lot of energy, beautiful apartments, beautiful sites, great restaurants, a
lot of tourists been having a good time. And in

(44:38):
doing so, I got nostalgic on my way there, and
on my way driving to Brooklyn, I pulled off the
road and went to my old neighborhood. I went to
the city projects to look at where I grew up.
It's the first time I've done that in a long time.
I've always lived in fear of ending up back in

(44:59):
the projects. Not that it was a bad place to
grow up, because I wouldn't be me without it. They say,
you can take the Boy out of Brooklyn, but you
can't take the Brooklyn out of the Boy. And to
that end, I have to believe large part of my
character was developed in Brooklyn. So there I was, and
I went to see my old haunts where I was

(45:20):
the mayor of Marine Park, the mayor of Marine Park
Junior High School, and of all the stories and all
the things I had.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I have a story about a stick, and that's what
I want to tell you, because it's about what the
show tonight is. It takes less time to do a
thing right than to explain why you did it wrong.
In I had my ups and downs at the school.
I was a class clown. I was fooling around all

(45:51):
the time.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
In fact, I was doing so poorly I always I
almost got left back in seventh grade. I almost had
to spend the next year in goal. Well, even so,
I still didn't learn my lesson. And I want to
talk about the difference between involvement and commitment. You see,
you could be involved in anything and life goes on.

(46:14):
But when you're committed, did you take it differently? It
brings to light the story of ham and eggs. The
chicken was involved, the pig was committed. Of that anyway,
make a long story short. I'm in my class one day.
I'm on the second floor of the school, the springtime,
getting ready to end the seasons in May. Some of

(46:35):
the day, all the windows in the classroom were open.
There's the one behind me. Her name was Beverly. I
won't say her last name. I do remember it. I
don't know why I remember her name from eighth grade.
Maybe it's the story. And she threw an embraser in
the back of my head. This young lady Beverly is
a fatso and overweight, and you know I used to

(46:56):
kid her and everybody kid And looking back now, it's
not the only reason I could use the word fatso
is because I came from a family at the time
of fatso. I was overweight most of my life back
in the day, and I needed to learn some lessons,
and fortunately over time I straightened myself out. But having
said it at the time, having said it, she hit
me in the back ahead of it raso. You know,

(47:18):
those are races that used to be on blackboards. They
were about the size bigger than your hand. They were
black and one side erased. The blackboard then was full
of blackboard dust and chalk. She hit me the chocolate
all over and I was crazed.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I was crazed.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I mean I was like six feet from her, and
I remember I had to get even and I had
at the time a Tunafish sandwich in my bag, and
I love my Tunafish sandwiches that my mother made from me.
The combination of the tuner and the mayonnaise, and sitting
there for a couple hours and the grease. I took
it out of the bag. I took it out of

(47:53):
the paper, and I threw it at her and she
ducked and it went out the window. Now I know
this sounds like nonsense, but I never ever, ever make
up stories on the ratio.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
This is true.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
The tune of his sandwich goes down there, she starts
the lapses after you you missed me? And I run
over to the window to look for my tuna sandwich,
and sure enough, there's some old guy in a suit
and he points up to me and he said, do
not move. I will be right up there. Get the
heck out of me. I mean, I don't know who
he was and whatever. The next thing I know, I'm
in the class. Now I'm worried. Who's this guy? And

(48:24):
he shows up and the teacher says to him, Hello,
mister Stackenfeld, what can I do for you? And it
was a manual Stackenfeld again, Why do I remember this name?
You're talking fifty years ago? I remember as clear as
day in his suit, gray suit, dre to the vest,
white shirt. Both die I remember, manusexist you, young man,

(48:46):
come with me. I looked at it and I said
to him, you know, because listen, like all of us,
we grow up, our parents tell us you don't go
with strangers.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
What made him okay? Even though the teacher knows, I'm
em Manual Stackenfelder, principal of the school. I want you
to come and meet your office. The next thing I know,
I'm following down the hallway, down the stairs to his office.
He goes in his office. He leads me to the secretary,
So you wait here until I call you in. And
I'm standing there and she's looking at me, and she says,
what do you do? I start to laugh, just as

(49:14):
I am doing, like a right, yeah, well what you do?
I drew a sandwich and went out the window and
almost did him. Good oh man, good luck, young man.
Next thing I know, he's on the phone. He's talking
to someone I don't know. But a few minutes later,
the school janitor shows up. He's wearing the green overalls
and on I saw him. He has a trash bag,

(49:37):
you know, one of those muslin linen trash bags over
one shoulder, and he's carrying what looks like a pitchfork,
a big stick with a point at the end of it.
And he's in the office talking just he'sing to a
I can't even say it.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'm still nervous talking to the principal, Emanuel Stackenfelt. Manuel
Stackenfelt points his finger kind of points me to come in,
you know. He wings his finger, weiggest thing. Come in here,
and he goes John, give him the bag and give
him the stick. He gives me the linen muslin garbage
bag if you will that he has over his shoulder.

(50:13):
He puts it over my shoulder and now hanging from
my arm and my neck, and he hands me the stick.
And Emmanuel Stackenfeldt looks at me. It's a young man.
You need to be taught a lesson. You have no
reason to throw anything out the window. Could have hit someone,
could have been anything. But you have made a mess
of a school today. You have made a mess of
your classroom. You've made a mess of yourself. And here's

(50:35):
what's going to be. You are going to now at
the end of today, tomorrow morning, you are going to
report to the school at eight o'clock. And that stick
within a nail on the end of it is going
to be used to pick up all the garbage around
the school. I suggest you get here an hour in advance.
It will take you that long to pick up all

(50:56):
the garbage that's accumulated in front and in back. Okay,
And you can take your bag and stick home with you,
or you could leave it in the in the uh
guardness area. Well, he'll show you to put it. I'll
leave it there, Okay. So that day, at the end
of the day, it was a Thursday, I go out
at the end of school day and stop picking up

(51:16):
the garbage, and all the people are looking at what's
going on, and they're laughing.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
At me, pointy things. My friends were unmerciful. It was terrible.
I went home after school that day and I told
my mom, what happens to do you? Why would you
do that? I'm glad he did this to you. Got
to learn a lesson. You think you're funny in school.
Your grades are terrible, you're not doing well. This is
not acceptable. I'm glad he did it, I said, I'm
glad you are happy. Following morning, I get up, I'm

(51:42):
in school eight o'clock, same thing. And by the way,
in the morning, everyone's there at the end of the day,
people left it there. Everybody sees me being the garbage
man and doing this. Now it's Iday. Okay, I go home.
I am miserable. I said to my mom, I'm not
doing this anymore. I don't care if they throw me
out of school. She says, looks at me, and I'm

(52:03):
finished unches. Yes you are. You're being punished and you
have to learn a Lesson. Monday comes. I go to
the gardener's room. I pick up my satchel. I pick
up my muslin over my shoulder, the stick with the point.
I go around the school and do it that night,
same thing, and now this is it. I can only
take so much. Now I did it. It's three days.

(52:23):
He wants me to continue for it. I don't even
know for however, I go home. I tell my mom
I'm quitting school. If it comes down. You're not quitting anything,
he said, you don't understand. I'm going to Emmanuel Stackenville,
the principal. Tell him I'm doing this anymore. She says, no,
you're not. I said, okay, we'll see. I come to
school Monday morning. Did it again. I'm now nauseous as
can be at the end of the time, I show

(52:44):
up in his office. I put the garbage bag on
the floor. I'm carrying the stick. I put it against
the wall and he said, what are you doing here?
I said, mister Stacketfeld, I'm not doing this anymore. You know,
I'm not doing it anymore. Starts to laugh and he says,
why are you still doing it? I only wanted you
to do it for a day. And that's what I

(53:04):
remembered when I went to my school, visiting it, being
committed and knowing that it takes less time to do
the right thing than explain the wrong thing. By the way,
I eventually became the president of the school. And when
I was introduced to the student body as the president
of the school, the mayor of Marine Park, mister Stackenfeld,

(53:26):
stood up and talked and told the story of a
boy who was lost, who was a troublemaker, thought he
was the class clown, but needed to turn himself around,
and he did, and now he's the mayor of our school. Congratulations,
Mark Quebra. So clearly it takes less time to do
a thing right than to explain why you did it wrong.
They're no great revelations tonight, I'm just living amongst you,

(53:50):
trying to be my best special self, looking for common
sense in the world, looking for brands that can depend
on wanting comfort, and I'm willing to spend money. I
don't mind spending money, I just hate wasting it. Please
help yourselves in your own lives and in your businesses
by helping me, helping me find satisfaction. Good Night,