Shut Up

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Mark Weber. I've been thinking maybe it's time we all
just shut up now. I recognize that's one of the
most insulting statements you can make to any individual, particularly
without curse words. I'm not concerned, though, because I'm telling
this collective body of all of us, just shut up.
Do you hear yourselves? It's embarrassing, it's dangerous, it's stupidity

(01:05):
beyond belief. What has happened to us? Our speech patterns
are flawed by the you knows, you know, you know
every sentence he comes out of your mouth. You know,
you know, you know. Then if you're not doing that,
it's so. And then of course it's penetrating our every conversation,
every sentence. And on top of that, we're a divided nation.

(01:27):
We're waiting for a travesty to unite us. A former
president has escaped assassination twice in two months. Few, if any,
are expressing outrage, let alone concern. If that's not enough,
we have two presidential candidates. When they open their mouths,

(01:47):
all you get is nonsense. We have two major wars.
No one's talking to one another to bring them to
an end. People are dying. Donald Trump said it. He
wants to come into the first day in office wars.
People are dying. You don't care what side. People are dying,
young men, young women, They're dying. Free speech is under attack.

(02:10):
If you don't agree with the loudest voice, you don't
get to talk, and if you do, there are repercussions.
Every narrative is spun. The impossible has happened. There are
versions of the truth. There are no versions of the truth,
but there are now Somehow the phrase can I be
honest with you? Has penetrated our culture does that signify

(02:33):
that everything else you say is a lie. You have
to have the skills of a prosecuting attorney to get
a straight answer. Now, enough, shut up. It's time for
the silent treatment. It's time for the strong silent type.
I'm concerned. As Jack Nicholson said, you can't handle the truth,

(02:55):
and the truth is we're in a mouthstorm of incompetent communicators.
It's time to rethink what we say. You need game,
you need honesty, less is more, Know what you're talking about,
think what you say, or make it simple. Just shut up.
We don't need to hear from you now. In all

(03:16):
of life, I try to avoid politics. I'm a recluse.
I try to avoid celebrity downfalls. I'm a recluse. I
tried to avoid the news. It's no longer news, it's commentary,
it's opinions. I'm a recluse. I try to avoid fashion
that tasteless have taken over. I don't want to look
I'm a recluse. Having said that, the problem is, I

(03:40):
don't even know if I'm saying the word right. Is
it recluse or a recluse. I'm gonna say recluse. Now
I'm part of society. You can't avoid the dumbing down
of America. And I'm on the radio and podcast, I'm
a host. How can I avoid it? My show business,
cultural and lifestyle A statement I have to observe in
life and report. Enough said. I would be the first

(04:03):
to follow my own advice and shut up Mark, But
I can't. Now Tonight, some straightforward talk on how to
talk and joining me my lawyer, My calls my son
Jesse Weber.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Hello, La, Hello, Wow, you're on a especially big tear tonight.
The truth is, you're right, You're right. I can't deny
what you're saying. You know how many times people say
you know so you know I'm guilty of it too.
I'm guilty of it too.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
But I hear your frustration. I hear your frustration.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Sometimes we can't even get straight answers out of our
politicians more than others. I think everybody could make their
own judgment about that. But I'll tell you what a
what a week it's been. I've never been so busy.
Who knew there'd be so much law to talk about?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, what's going on in the world right now is crazy.
I mentioned some of the things, but the mayor now
of New York City has been in. Oh boy, we
have Diddy, who's a public enemy number one. We have
was ranging, we have assassination attempts going on. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I mean, where do you want to start? I gotta
say Eric Adams. Now, when he came to office, I
was skeptical, right, I was skeptical of a few things,
but I I thought he had the intent to do
the right thing, and especially coming after Deblasio, I was
looking at I was looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, anything after Deblasio. Although I must say I was
rooting for Curtis Sleewar, our friend from Wabcity.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Oh yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
He was always been a straight shooter, has always helped
the city, and I kind of wanted to see him
get into office.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, we had Eric Adams, you know, former police. He's
taken some positions that are great. He's taken some positions
not so great. But I will tell you, I don't
care who the mayor is. To wake up and find
out that he has been criminally charged for corruption, for bribery,
for accepting illegal campaign contributions, for taking gifts that he
didn't disclose, for essentially being Oh my gosh, a puppet

(06:04):
of the Turkish government or Turkish business officials is really
really not only.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Embarrassing, it's upsetting.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's upsetting as a New Yorker to see this.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
And if it's true, is there any explanation for it.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's tough because it's not one thing to say, hey,
I receive these minor benefits.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
He didn't even disclose it.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
One of the things that was happening over the past
ten months is they were collecting a lot of people's
cell phones, and this indictment. You see conversations. The conversations
are about hotel rooms and flights where he's not paying
the full price of a flight or a hotel room.
And the question is why if he could provide some
sort of legitimate explanation, if he could say.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, New York City to come to Turkey.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Problem with that is he decided to streamline the building
of a Turkish consulate that was against safety regulations. So
this is as he's receiving benefits. I mean, the fact
that he didn't disclose what he was receiving is problematic.
The fact that he allegedly didn't put down on the
campaign finance form what he was supposed to put down

(07:10):
as a considered fraud. And when you talk about the
charges that he's facing, one could be five years, one
could be twenty years. So how much he wants to
fight this versus take a deal and we'll see what
the evidence is. But right now he has turned this
into a political argument. He has said that they're coming
after me, The federal government's coming after me.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
They have a target on my back.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
It sounds so much like Donald Trump, and yet he's
a Democrat, and he was saying things that were arguably
against the Biden administration, and we're arguably against the Democratic mission.
He took a hardline stance on immigration, blaming the Biden administration.
Some speculate that they're only coming after him because of that.
I think that's a little hogwash. I think these are

(07:51):
real charges. The Feds are not going to come after
you unless they have something, and clearly they have built
up quite the case against him.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's just disappointing to say so.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
He's in serious trouble.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
From your perspective, it's almost like a classic case of
corruption that you see in the movies or comic books.
It's like Gotham City, It's like the mayor who was
on the take. That's what he's being accused of.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Is the first.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Mayor in New York City history to be criminally indicted
while in office.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
What's the ten million dollars that they claim he benefited
or it took.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So the way that I understand it is that he
used straw donations, secret donations, not what they were supposed
to be, covering it up because what he would receive
would apply for the city's matching funds programs. So it
gives political candidates public funds to match small donations. Remember
New York City residents, they might not be able to

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donate as much money as they can, so there's this
program put in place that would match it. And because
he allegedly was not being truthful about these donations and
was engaging in fraud, he reaped over ten million dollars
in matching funds based on these.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
False for his campaign, not for his pocket.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Correct for the campaign.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Hmmm.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Really, that's bad. That's bad. That's bad.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I liked him. I'm sorry to hear it. What else
we got? What else are you on this week? Doing?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
All Shawn Combs, All Shawn Combs, everything of what's going
on with him?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Is he in trouble?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's in very serious trouble.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think with sex trafficking and racketeering charges where you're
basically accused of operating a criminal organization, Yeah, I'd say
he's in trouble. And I've spoken to a lot of
analysts who believe that this is just the start that
he's going to be hit with an amended indictment with
more charges that might include miners.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
How come it comes out all of a sudden and
it's a flood of information.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
It could be that everybody knew that it was an
open secret, but nobody wanted to come forward. They were
afraid they would be implicated. They were afraid of Shawn Combs.
But remember what started this. What started this was all
of those civil lawsuits that were filed against him starting
last year. And if it wasn't for those lawsuits, this
probably wouldn't have had happened. And it's a remarkable thing
to say, because if this was going on since they

(10:05):
claim two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, why
he's being charged with this in twenty twenty four is.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
A very fair question.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
And by the way, the United States Attorney who is
prosecuting this case was asked that question and did not
have a satisfactory answer.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
He couldn't explain why.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Changing the subject one more time? Am I crazy? I
said earlier that no one seems to care that former
President Trump was almost assassinated twice? Am I being too strong?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
It's not in the news as much as it should be.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean, we're talking about not only attempted assassination of
a former president the current Republican candidate, but two times,
two times in the course of what sixty days.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Now there's a little bit of news. There's a little
bit of news.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
All the secret service failures are coming to light. The
guy who tried to allegedly shoot him in Florida has
now been charged with attempted assassination.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
So there's been some news.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
By the way, you want to have a little fun
debate with me about something, go ahead. I had this
back and forth. This guy's charged with attempted assassination. Remember
the fact pattern here, he's waiting for Donald Trump to
come onto the next hole. He's set up with the
rifle he's looking through. He doesn't have Donald Trump and
his crosshairs. What happens is a secret Service agent comes
to the next hole and starts scouting the area, and

(11:16):
that's when he sees the shooter. They engage in gunfire. Okay,
I was talking to a defense attorney. He says, I
can prove that that was an attempted assassination because Donald
Trump wasn't in his crosshairs, he wasn't about to shoot.
I'm like, that's a stretch. He was set up, he
was ready to go. That's attempted assassinate, no question that right.
I think it's an attempt Now he's like, it has

(11:37):
to be has to be a little bit further that
you would just attempted to try to kill the former president.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm like, yeah, that's a stretch.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
But anyway, when you said there were exchange gunfire, I
thought only the Secret Service shot it.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's correct, Yes, correct, the Secret Service only shot Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
As I said, I am taken aback by what people
are saying. I'm taking aback by what they're not saying.
I am shocked at the spin and the nonsense and
everything going on. I don't want to talk about these things,
but you have to. That's your job. But tonight's show
is really about words, shutting up, worst thing you could

(12:18):
say to a person. My gosh, if I ever said
shut up to someone, there's no coming back from that.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Wait a minute, You've never said shut up to somebody?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, of course I have, but I've regretted it. I've
learned that it's one of the most terrible things you
could do. You're never forgiven. People might say you are,
but it's something that you really should avoid. So tonight
I took the collective and I said shut up. And
that's where we're going. Take a break, we'll be back.
We got some things to talk about.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:22):
Welcome back to it, always in fashion. Here's your host,
Mark Webber.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm talking about what's happening in our country, let alone
the world. The things that are being said today are
so dastardly, so disrespectful, so untrue that it's making me
collectively crazy for all of society. And if society is
listening to me tonight on the show, I have a
favorite ass. Shut up, you're not value added. Shut up.

(17:53):
There's too much spin, too much nonsense, too much everything
words matter, and how we use them matter and I
want her to talk about that tonight. I think Laura
Ingram had it right. You might not like it, and
you might not like what she said, and she took
a lot of heat for it when she was referring
to Lebron James after he made a political statement and

(18:15):
she said to him, shut up and dribble. I thought
that was great, It's true. Then we have Taylor Swift.
I have to say I'm a big fan of Taylor Swift.
I don't know very many of her songs. If I
know three of them, it's a lot. But I like
what she represents. She's as independent, single woman who's carved
out a career, became a billionaire. She has followers, she

(18:36):
has people admire she's an incredible songwriter. I really really
admire what she's done. And on top of it, she's beautiful,
well dressed, put together and I like her. But Taylor
Swift came out for Kamala Harris and she lost twenty
seven million followers in one day. Shut up and sing that.

(18:57):
You know. They say a picture's worth of foul and words,
and I think some of the most iconic pictures that
are ever taken and seen by all of us, like
the raising of the American flag and ewon GiMA, Japan,
signifying the Americans took over the island. They one the
one of the most hardfought battles in World War Two.

(19:18):
Muhammed Ali his hands up high in the air, taunting Sonny,
listening to get up from being knocked down in a
fight with him. Recently, Donald Trump's assassination photo, blood streaming
from his ear, his fist held high and he's yelling fight.
And then on a personal note, there was a picture
of a globe. Jesse works at news Nation. This is

(19:41):
an up and coming network news network that you would
know it from. Chris Como's one of the anchors, Dan Abrams,
one of the anchors, Elizabeth Vargas, and lastly bad for
Thank You Jesse and Jesse works then there. He's the
legal contributor to News Nation and he's also a host
that fills He does a great job. He's so good

(20:02):
at I'm so I don't know. I don't use the
word proud when I talk about you guys, my sons.
Maybe I am proud. I'm more relieved at how good
you are, how confident you are, how great you look
and how comfortable you are.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Thank you. I would like proud, I'll take proud.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, I'd like Maybe that's how I feel. But anyway,
watching you guys talk and watching what you do on
there is amazing. And then one day I said, you
know what, I'm going to come up and watch you
record and do the show and host Dan Abrams. And
I walk in and I see this building and all
these photos in the building, and all of a sudden,
it brings back memories. When I was nine years old,

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my father took me to the Daily News where he worked.
He was a print and he worked for the Daily News,
and there were the pictures of the Daily News, and
right in the center of the building this this tremendous globe.
And that's when I remembered I had been in that
building with my father taking me to work. And what
an indelible picture it left with me. It's my whole

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childhood right there. And sure enough, Jesse's working in that building.
And what a turn of events. It was amazing and
brought up so many memories, and it got me thinking,
you know, I'm an industry where icons represent a huge portion.
Now icons can be people, but I'm talking about logos,

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and I started to think about logos and how they
represent people and company ideas without saying a word. And
these logos, whether they're in business in life, speak louder
than words, and in this case, a picture, a logo
speaks a thousand words. All right, Jesse, here's what I
want to do. I want to give you a logo,

(21:48):
just a logo without the name of the company. See
if you know what the logo is, and then tell
me what it means to you that brand. Okay, this
is a woman in a green circle. She looks like
a mermaid.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yep, at Starbucks, right you.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Are now when you look at it, or when you
think of Starbucks without saying a word, because that's what
we're talking about, the lack of talk. Shut up. What
does Starbucks tell you by looking at that logo?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Coffee?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean it means like a very popular coffee lurering
people in.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's my uh all right, why don't you ask me one?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
All right? So I'm gonna put this one up. So
it's got an A with.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
A orange arrow, this orange curved arrow at.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
The bottom of it.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
What is Amazon?

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Amazon? There you go?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So you see that logo right away? Do you know
I know what that means? I don't know if everybody
knows this mean. I don't know if you know that.
Do you know that that arrow represents that the company
carries every product from A to Z.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Really I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I didn't either, but I found it out because I
bought this stock. But when I think of Amazon, I
think about any product you could possibly want delivered to
your house painlessly. That's what they're basically doing without saying
a word. And that's what I like about this exercise.
Let's give you another one. Okay, three stripes.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Those three stripes, I know immediately it's Adidas. It's so
synonymous with the company, easily identifiable.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And when you think of Adidas, you think.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I think athletic shoes, athletes, athleticism.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Just shoes, not the rest of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I think of the rest of the stuff, but my
mind first goes to shoes.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, I think of it as a lifestyle brand that
has everything that is in good taste.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So this next one's mind can't imagine you're going to
know what this is, but it looks like somebody took
a bite out of a cartoon apple.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
What could this be.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's Apple's logo, one of the most recognizable logos in
the world. And here's the point I'm making with all
this talk and gobblygook that we have gone on in
this world, the point where I'm telling everybody to shut up.
There is ways to communicate without being jerks. Here is
a logo that speaks to a company that is the
most highly profitable company in the world, the most important

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company in the world in many respects. It's changed our life.
It brought us to a new century. It put every
single thing in that in the palm of our hand
that we could possibly want to know. It's amazing, and
that logo does it without saying a word. All right,
having one for you now, this one has the company's
name in so I'm sure you're going to recognize it,
but I want you to tell me after you say

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of course, and you'll laugh at me, what that name
represents to you when you see it. The logo is
a script version of Disney.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Oh light Weight, Let me let me think.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Ah, Sony is it Sony though?

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Walt Disney Company? My gosh.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Okay, So when I love that logo, one of my
favorite logos I love the script of the d reminds
me of my childhood, remind me of cartoons, imagination wonder.
I think it's such a fantastic logo, one of the best.
And who doesn't know it? How many people across this
world know Disney. I always loved the one that had

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the Disney with the.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Magic Kingdom in the background, the Magic Kingdom Castle.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
But what does that company represent when you see you
hear Disney without saying a word to you, What does
it say to you?

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Imagination?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, I would have set a place to be happy.
But they're both great.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Too, all right, So I'm going to give you another
one right now.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I will tell you. I think the colors of this
logo are so unique.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
But oh, just tell me the colors. Maybe I'll get
it from that.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Purple and orange FedEx. Really you got it that quickly?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, purple and orange FedEx. I'm in the fashion.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Business, fed X. What do you think about FedEx?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (25:52):
What does it mean to you when you see FedEx?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
The greatest delivery company in the world. No matter what
you're waiting for, no matter what you want, no matter
what you want to send, FedEx is going to get
it there. It's going to get it there quick and reliably.
And just think about what I just said, no words
are spoken. Look how effective that is. It's amazing. If
I said to you now here, here's one for you

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recent fame. If one with five circles, each in a
different color, interlocking.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Oh, the Olympics, of course.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Absolutely, That to me symbolizes all different colors, all different countries,
all united together for this one thing.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
That's what I look at when I see this. They're
linked together.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Now some would say like the Greek Games, right, certain
parts of the Greek Games.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
But that's how I see it.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Interesting how you can say that. How and yeah, I'm
with you. It makes me happy. And I like what
you just said about the world being united. I'll give
you another one. It's yellow. It looks like an m.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
McDonald's, the Golden arches.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
What does that say to you? Hamburgers, just hamburgers.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Mostly hamburgers.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Well, I'm not looking at it and thinking fish filet okay,
But now, hey, you know hamburgers, chicken nuggets, French fries, right,
French fries is a big one. By the way, I
don't remember the last time I had McDonald's. It might
have been ten fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I've had it on nights that I haven't had time
to go to eat where I want, or I'm in
a hurry. I've had the spicy chicken sandwich, and.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
That's good, very good. That's really good, very good.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
All right, So this next one is a circle with
three points three almost looks like a triangle inside, but
three points. It's a circle with three points inside of it.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's silver Mercedes.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
That's right, Mercedes.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Good. Yes, yeah, this is this. Well again, I'm making
a point without speaking. People are making statements. When I
think of Mercedes, I think about German engineering, and I
think about great cars, and I think that's the point
I want to make. Tonight's show really is cold. Shut up,

(28:07):
and I want everybody to shut up because we're ruining
the world collectively. But I'm thinking about the fact that
you can be very powerful with using less words and
in this case, less logos. I have a great story
I read about. It had to do with Albert Einstein
and Charlie Chaplin, and they were together an event back

(28:29):
in nineteen thirty or something. Einstein said to Charlie Chaplin,
you say nothing, because Charlie Chaplin was a silent film star.
He said, you say nothing and universality everyone understands what
you're saying. Amazing. And then Chaplin said, you say what's important.

(28:52):
Everyone admires you, but no one understands what you're saying.
H clever. And the point is, everybody out there, we
got a lot of problems. We talk too much, we
say the wrong things. We're in the wrong place. It's
time to regroup and learn how to speak. And maybe,
just maybe you just should shut up if you don't

(29:13):
know what you want to say and you don't want
to say it right back in a minute.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Always in fashion, I.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Spent a lifetime of my career building the van usen Brand,
and I am so pleased that they're back with us
now talking about suits. Men were dressing up again, and
it's become cool to wear a suit. Suits can be
won on multiple occasions in multiple ways. You could wear
a suit formally to go out at night or to

(29:39):
an event, wear a suit to the office with or
without a tie. If you look closely, now fashion trends,
suits are being worn with turtlenecks or mark next. The
choices are endless, and every one of them looks right.
You could really really look the part. I believe that
packaging yourself is as important as products you package, and

(30:01):
wearing a suit is one of those things that make
men look their best. Venuesing invented a new idea. It's
called the cool Flex suit. It's been engineered with stretch technology,
giving you the most comfortable fit and mobility. It's wrinkle
resistant fabric, it's cool moisture wicki it makes it perfect
for all occasions. As we discussed just now, this new

(30:23):
style of looking sharp while feeling cool and comfortable is
amazing and I'm so excited that the ven Using company
is involved in this new technology and is embracing the
whole idea of dressing up. Let's not forget Venues and
made it's name with dress shirts. It's only proper that
the suit business follows strongly in its way. You can

(30:45):
find van Ues in cool Flex Men's stretch suits at
jcpenny are online at jcpenny dot com. Guys, they're great.
You should go look at them. Dkn Why Donna Karen,
New York. Donna Karen began a career as one of
the finest, most successful, powerful women in the fashion industry.

(31:05):
She developed a collection aimed at the luxury market for
women on the go, women who were powerful in their workplace,
women who had lives that extended beyond the workplace, and
her clothes went from day and to night. An extraordinary collection.
But the interesting thing Donna Karen had a young daughter,
and she had friends and they couldn't afford to buy

(31:25):
the Donna Karen collection. And Donna invented DK NY Donna Aaron,
New York. It's an offshoot of the Donna Karen Collection.
The same concept a lifestyle brand. Now we talk about
lifestyle brands, what does that really mean? Simply what they say,
there are brands that follow you throughout your lifestyle. You
get up in the morning, you start to get dressed
Donna Karen decaan why as intimate apparel, as hosiery, as

(31:49):
all those products. You're getting dressed for work. You get
accessorized shoes, handbags, and it takes you through the day.
The remarkable thing about DK and Y clothes for work.
They work into the eva, the dresses, the suits, the pants,
the sweaters, the blouses, extraordinary clothes at affordable prices that
go from day in tonight. Part of your lifestyle is active.

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You have weekends, you have events, you participate in sports.
Donna Karen's casual Clothes did that under the dk and
Y label. A vast array of casual sportswear that make
women look great as they navigate their busy lives. Whether
you going to soccer games for your children, or whether
you're going out to the movies, whatever you want to do,

(32:34):
dkn Y Jeans, dc HY Sportswear is there for you.
That's what a lifestyle brand is. And I need to
mention DKY active Wear, which is extraordinary, the leggings, the
sports bras, the sweats. You can wear DKY active Wear,
certainly in the gym, certainly when you're working out at home,

(32:55):
and certainly if you want on the street, because it's
that well done. The quality of dk why is nothing
short of exceptional. And why shouldn't it be because it
was born from the idea of luxury made affordable for
women of America. DKAY and Why a true lifestyle brand
that takes you from day and tonight, from the week

(33:16):
into the weekend. DCN Why You can find DCN Why
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, Mark Webber.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I'm frustrated. For want of a better word, it's not
a word I'm used to frustrated. I'm more angry. I'm
better being angry than frustrated people, all of us saying
the wrong things, being dishonest, not speaking about what's important,
putting a spin on everything we say, outright lying asking

(33:49):
can I be honest with you? I can go on
and on and on. The political situation in the world.
Two wars are raging, and nobody's even talking about letting go,
trying to stop it. Really angry, and I thought about
how could the world be a better place? And I
said to myself, everybody would just shut up and stop talking.
I started thinking about one of the most famous quotes

(34:12):
ever to be used. I'll make it simple and professional
life by a professional politician, the president of the United States.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Ah, I give up.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
It was Theodore Roosevelt when he said he believes in
the West African philosophy of walk softly but carry a
big stick. Do you remember that, Oh, of course yeah.
The idea behind his philosophy was negotiating peacefully, being sweet

(34:45):
and kind, but remembering that he had the strength to
do whatever he wanted to do. To make people listen,
so you can speak softly. But if you are powerful
and you know what you want, you can do it
whatever you want. That's the philosophy that he practiced, and
it got me thinking about negotiations. I know you're going

(35:06):
to know the answer to this one, Jesse. There's like
one big quiz show for you today. You're ready. Yeah?
Who wins in a negotiation?

Speaker 4 (35:16):
The person who has the ability to walk away?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Thank you, Jesse? Well trained? Who taught you that? Hmm?

Speaker 4 (35:23):
I wonder, I wonder who?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Oh for your movie? Right?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Who wins a fight?

Speaker 4 (35:29):
The person who doesn't throw a punch?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh, this is from Roadhouse, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
No one, No one wins a fight?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Thank you, Jesse. Very good. Whoever can walk away from
a negotiation wins? You're negotiating, it's two people. Two groups
of people could be boys, girls, men, women, could be
anybody negotiating for something, could be business in life. You
know when the first negotiation any human ever has.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Oh, when you're a baby, what happens? You're crying to
get a bottle?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Exactly? I want that bottle. You're not gonna stop crying
that mommy or that dad, is gonna find you a
bottle to shut you up talking about shut up. But
that's true. We're all negotiating from the day we're born.
You can negotiate many different ways. The baby cries, you
could smile, you can make your point, you could state
what you need. You can make it clear that you're

(36:25):
flexible in certain areas. You also have to make it
clear what are your deal breakers that you will not
negotiate on this matter. No matter what, it's all about
talking and knowing when to talk and when to shut up.
I have an example. I thought about this back in

(36:45):
my day when we bought Calvin Klein. The company PVH
bought Calvin Klein. We owned the brand, we owned the
new businesses we were going to launch, We owned everything.
But a number of businesses at the time were licensed
to a company called Warnaco, which we eventually bought. Warnco
had the rights to manufacture genes, and it had the

(37:07):
rights to manufacture underwear Calvin Kleine underwick. Can you imagine
those two businesses. They were huge. So even though we
were Calvin Klein and they in many respects were Calvin
Klein too because they had the rights to those businesses.
But it was our business. We owned control. We had
the rights to approve everything they did, to say yes

(37:29):
and no on everything we did. It's our brand, our business,
and we leased it to them. Now licensing, Just in
case you don't know, every pair of sunglasses you see
with a designer name is a license given to some
manufacturer who knows the eyewear business. In this case, back
in the day, Calvin Klein didn't know enough about jeans
to run the business themselves. They didn't know enough about

(37:50):
underwear to run it themselves, and they licensed it to
another company to do that, and the name of the
company was Warnicoe. Now, what I am an issue for
me was what's the best way forward? Shouldn't Calvin Klein
always look like one company? So if you were Macy's
and you're gonna come to my showroom, I wanted to

(38:12):
represent to you what the Calvin Klein brand was in
its totality, even though I didn't make Calvin Klein watches,
even though I didn't make Calvin Klein eyewear, even though
I had a license making genes, even though I had
a license doing men's and women's underwear, I wanted to
house it under one roof. When I had Macy's come in,
or Target stores, whoever, big powerful retails. The Wall Street

(38:36):
analysts when they came in, I wanted to show them
the power of Calvin Klein, and it was the right
thing to do. There was a company when we bought
Calvin Klein, Unilever, the famous consumer goods company. They had
the rights to Calvin Klein Fragrance, the famous Calvin Klein fragrances.
So big business again six hundred million dollars. So whenever

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I had a meeting in the office and I was
bringing in senior management of other companies to impress them
with the Calvin Klein brand, I would put it all together.
So in the fashion business, there was something called the
Magic Show, which began as a trade show in California
and became a global show that took place in Las Vegas.
They kept the name Magic, which was the Men's Apparel

(39:19):
Guild in California. They didn't change it because they thought
the name was so valuable. Talk about logos and names.
Eighty thousand people would come to Magic in Las Vegas
twice a year, once for spring, once for fall. Every
major retailer in the world would come in every Wall
Street analyst of consequence would come in who followed the
apparel or luxury sector to see what was going on,

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so they would know whether or not the stocks of
the public companies representing these brands were healthy, were they
moving forward? Were they going to do the things they
said they would do? Fast forward back to the Calvin Klin.
I had a Calvin Klin booth. I had a Phillips
Venues in corporate booth with a huge, huge Calvin Klein
facility there. And Warnaco's CEO did not want to exhibit

(40:05):
his Calvin Kline as part of our group. He wanted
it as part of the Warnaca group, and we had
a negotiation to take place. Yes or no. His ceo,
very powerful guy, very smart guy, refused to budge. His
position was, I have Calvin Kline jeans, I have Calvin
Kline underwear. You must allow me to show it myself

(40:29):
and my own facility. Thank you. I appreciate your position.
But we own Calvin Klin, we own the brand. We
get to approve everything that there is to approve that
you do. You can't put a button on a pair
of jeans, you can't pick a color for a shirt

(40:49):
or a blouse. You can't use a fabric, you can't
do anything. You can't do any ad, you can't represent
the brand in any way whatsoever that we don't approve.
So while I recognize that you want to show Calvin
Klein as part of your Wannaco group, I'm not going
to let you do it, and you're going to be

(41:11):
in our group or you're not going to be there
at all. Interesting negotiation, huh.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Jess, tough negotiation.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
What do you think happened?

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Could he walk away?

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yes? How I don't know?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Well he said he can. How could he walk away
and not be it the most important trade show in
the industry where eighty thousand people are coming, every one
of his major customers, every one of consequence, he was
a public company called Warnaco, Calvin Kleine meant a huge
part of his shareholder's value. He had to be there.
Could he walk away?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Maybe not? Maybe I retract that.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Okay, could I walk away?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think you could walk away because you could stop
him from showing it in his booth, but you still
represent Calvin Klein, And.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's exactly what happened. I'd have walked away I could
have told him he has no choice. What I ended
up doing is negotiated to deal with him. That said,
the part of Calvin Klein where Warnico's involved, and where involved,
we'd allow him to use the Warnico name as on
the footnote Calvin Kleine Jeans and Underwear at Warnico. They'd

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be in our booth bigger than life. It all would
be called Calvin Klein. He would not show his merchandise
and his own facility. Warnaco would represent their other brands.
And we did it together, and it worked brilliantly and
it was great, and that's how negotiations work. I will
also tell you he never forgave me for the position
I took, but it didn't make me any less. Right.

(42:42):
The point is, how do you use words? How do
you convince people? Knowing where you're strong, knowing where you're not,
you need to know how to communicate. And if you
don't know any of those things, with all due respect,
shut up back in a minute. Always Venues for over
one hundred and fifty years now, has been a mainstay

(43:04):
in American fashion. This brand that was invented for dress shirts,
was given to cold miners when they exited the mills
dirty and dusty. The Phillips venues and company Phillips families
there to give them fresh new shirts that they could
wear at home and feel their best. Over the course
of time, venues and dress shirts grew and grew and
grew to suit shirts and ties for the dress up.

(43:27):
But now sportswear has become a dominant part of the
venues and collection. You can find these products including sweaters, polos,
quarter zips, trousers and even the best of fashion has
to be preserved. I don't know if I ever mentioned
to you the advent of the men's necktie. There's nothing
better in a men's necktie business than the business lunch

(43:51):
because guys we go out, they'd have their lunch that
have their salads or their beef and potatoes and snow
stout about it. They would always stain their tops. And
therefore the business grew and grew venues and today doesn't
want to make money on your hardships. They want to
do it and prevent you from having to go through that.
And they invented stainshield. It's a technology that was invented

(44:12):
to protect your favorite items. The Stainshield collection provides extreme
defense against water based stains by causing spills to beat
up before they can be absorbed into the fabric. This collection,
by the way, in addition to regular fits, is also
often in all body sizes, including big and toll. You
can find vanues and Stainshield and the great venues in

(44:34):
styled sports were at vanues in dot com. That's Vanusen
dot com. As one of the world's most celebrated fashion designers,
car Lagafeld was renowned for his aspirational and cutting edge
approach to style. His unique vision of Parisian shit comes
to America through car Lagofeld Paris. He has women's collections,
men's collections, ready to wear, accessory, shoes and bags. The

(44:56):
fashion house Carlagofeld also offers a range of Watchers I
wear in premium fragrances. You can explore the Carlagovol collection
at carlagofelpowers dot com. But it's more than that. I,
for one, love to shop. I love going around and
seeing what's happening and what catches my attention, what would
make me feel good to wear now. I don't wear
the women's wear obviously, but I can appreciate it and

(45:19):
they look amazing. If you want to look right, you
want to have clothes that fits you well. You want
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(45:39):
the handbigs and the shoes. I, for one, wear men's clothes,
unlike my appreciation of women's clothes. I'm a modern guy.
I want to look current. I want to look the
way I want to feel. I go out at night,
I'm in black and Carlagofel is my buddy. Calls are great.
They fit great, and they have little tweaks and touches,
whether it's a stripe on the sleeve or button at

(46:00):
or on the shoulder. There's a lot of details that
go into Carl Lagafel because he's always been, he always
had been one of the world's great designers, and this
legacy and goes on and on. I can't speak enough
about it except to say to you, you want to
feel good about yourself. You want to know that you're
dressing properly. You want clothes that fits you well. Carl Lagafeld,
Paris at Macy's Orcarlagafel dot com.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Welcome back to it Always in Fashion. Here's your host,
Mark Webber.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Today. I'm thinking about everything I hear, not necessarily see,
and what I hear is pissing me off. The way
the political candidates are talking, the way celebrities are getting
into trouble, the way the pundits are saying what they
say with no no consequence whatsoever if what they're saying
is wrong. Everyone has an opinion, doesn't make them right.

(46:52):
But everyone talks as if they know the world has
become versions of the truth, when we all know from
Jack Nicholson there are no versions of the truth. I'm
really angry. I'm really upset at where we are, and
it got me to the point I'm thinking in this
week what to talk about for the show. I said,
you know what, this whole world ord to just shut
up here that pregnant paus was I was quiet for

(47:17):
a moment. I'll do it again. Think how powerful the
quiet is. I've talked about myself getting into trouble many
times in my career. Of all people, mister, I know
what's right. I'm Dudley do writer. I always do the
right thing. I got angry at the present of my
company and I cursed him out. I told him to

(47:37):
go f himself in public form, screaming at him over
the phone, and he had his executive PE, his senior
VP in the room with him. I told him to
f himself. Somehow or another, I managed to survive. But
when I managed to survive, he gave me the cold
treatment for a year. I apologize then profusely. They didn't

(47:57):
fire me. I apologized. I was on my best behavior
for a year, and for a year I don't think
he ever looked directly at me and asked me a question.
When matters of importance came to meetings that I was
in with him, he asked me to recuse myself. That
quiet rejection was one of the most powerful things I

(48:19):
ever felt in my life. I've always been involved with quotes,
and there have been a number of them that hit
my attention preparing for the show, and I wanted to
share him with you. One was Michael Kine. I think
he's one of the greatest actors in the world. He's
in a movie and he said the hardest thing to
do is usually the right thing to do. Easy doesn't

(48:45):
enter into adult life. I thought that was brilliant. My
favorite quote I use more than any is well done
is better than well said Benjamin Franklin got to the
point that he was tired of hearing all these people
say what they'll do. I've adopted it. I don't want
to hear what you say you're going to do. I

(49:07):
don't want to hear how smart you are. Are you
going to revolutionize the world? Are you gonna do it?
Show me? Great quote, Great quote. And then my favorite.
The week someone was interviewing Steve Jobs and he asked
him what it was like to be rich. He thought
about it, he said, When I was twenty three years old,
I was worth a million dollars. When I was twenty

(49:29):
four years old, I was worth ten million dollars. When
I was twenty five years old, I was worth one
hundred million dollars. But I never thought about being rich.
I always thought that putting money aside, not have to
worry about it allowed me to concentrate on making the
best products that I possibly could make. By changing the

(49:53):
world and making products that people didn't know they wanted,
until I showed it to them and gave them things
that they would need for the rest of the life.
It wasn't about money for me. It was about changing
the world. And all of those quiet statements were brilliant
as far as I am concerned, I said to you early.

(50:14):
If you haven't heard it, I'll say it to you again.
Charlie Chaplin met Albert Einstein a premiere for his movie
in I think it was nineteen thirty, and Einstein walked
up to him and said, you're a remarkable man. Remember
Charlie Chaplin was a silent film star. He'd never spoke
in his movies, and he said, you say nothing, and universality,

(50:35):
every one of the stands what you're saying. And Charlie Chaplin,
to his credit, looked at him and say, you say
what's important. Everyone admires you, but no one understands what
you're saying. It shows how important words are, whether they're
spoken or unspoken, whether you're giving the silent treatment or
getting this silent treatment, whether you're being honest or dishonest,

(50:57):
whether you know what you're talking about or you're I
don't know what you're talking, whether you're being fair or unfair.
Whether you're being smart or stupid, whether you're being obnoxious
or pleasant, whether you're helping the world or ruining the world,
whether you are helping fellow man or hurting fellow man,
whether you understand that your words have implications. I thought

(51:19):
about all of this week, and in the end, I
figured out what we should all do. Shut up, good night,