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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is astonishing.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I've heard things like this before, but I hadn't realized
how widespread it's gotten. And again, I suppose I should
be glad. We should be glad that it is now
the darkness, I mean the darkest darkness, which allegedly leads
to the dawn. Sometimes in terms of people recognizing how
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utterly cult like and perverse our nation's schools have become,
I mean it's not nut picking to say this school
they're teaching the kids critical race theory and Neo Marxism
instead of reading and writing. I mean, it's like more
common than not. Here's an example what we have clips
of and what we're going to play for you. Here
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is audio from the final round of the most prestigious
national high school debate tournament. I'll go ahead and give
you the outline of what happens first, and then we'll
play some of the clips, just so it's clear. Team
A proceeds to tell Team BE that they will not
be debating the assigned topic, which happened to be the
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benefits and costs of the International Monetary Fund. Oh god,
it's actually that's a really interesting topic.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm I believe you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
But anyway, they will not be debating the assigned topic
because trans people are being genocided by MAGA Republicans and
that is way more important than debating about the IMF.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What you so? Wow? If I'd have known that was
an option to debate, I would have joined the debate
team so I can just declare, whatever the boring topic
is I don't want to study about, is not the
important thing going on in the world. This is in
storm out.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well no, you couldn't have because you would have been told, no,
we're going to debate. What was a sign That's the
point of this proceding and this is not some sort
of virtue signaling noble look, how noble I am?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Fest anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Team A starts off by playing an audio clip from
a nineteen eighties AIDS protest and says that twenty eight
states want to kill trans people like her. They tell
the judge that this round does nothing to the IMF itself,
and as such, they've decided.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That this round.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Is going to be a debate about debate, and the
judges quote choice instead is whether to affirm our performance.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
They proudly declare.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That they will occupy the debate space until trans debaters
can participate safely. Team B then immediately concedes the round
because they don't want to dispute that transgenocide is real
and be labeled transphobic.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Really well, I don't know, that's an interesting attact.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
The rest of the round is a struggle session where
Team A states that misgendering is violent and that if
you do it, you should automatically lose. This is the
final round of the most prestigious high school debate tournament
of the school year, and they made a mockery of
it with their selfish, unintelligible performative rant. The worst part
the horror, Bob Dylan fans. Now is the time for
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your tears. The judges praise teammate for their bravery and
courage and crown them the national champions.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
No they didn't. Yeah, we we can't be that far
off the rails, Michael, let's start with clipped ninety Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Round will be viewed by hundreds, if not thousands of people.
Your affirmation here is the ultimate disruption of the debates.
Based amind nineteen to open institutions up that a function
as container drift. To throw the usage into crisis proches
requires becoming an inconvenience, to make violence seable, semidifted, create
a scene to stop as this is usual impossible to
pass by occupations of political products. You counted the balance
of a system by revealing the violence of a system.
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We have tried politeness, We have tried blog posts and
infographics and endly discussions, But the only way the debate
community will change is if we hold their most sacred
currency for ransom balance. We will occupy the debate spates
and deny business is usual until there is change. Show
trans debats, trans kids everywhere that they belong, show them
that they deserve to be here in GOC finals and
in finals at every other tournament.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Show them what this space can be.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Will oh, I'm sorry, I made a mistake. This is
not the national debate competition. This is the national how
much neo Marxist jargon can you spout in sixty seconds competition?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, she was talking so fast and with no inflection,
changing her inflection. I had trouble understanding it, but that's
what it sounded like. You, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
They will occupy the debate stace space until trans kids
can debate safely. Because of all the killings of trans debaters,
we've heard about lately Team B in cow telling too
rolling over and showing their belly to Team A's insanity,
because like good high schoolers, they just want to go
along with whatever's popular next clip.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
So I think in light of this, Marcus and I
have decided to conceive the round against Dalton. I think
that their message that they've brought throughout the entire tournament
has incredibly impactful, and by debating it, I don't think
we want to undermine the message that they're trying to
get across, or try to tear down an argument in
just the sake of picking up a ballot. I think
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what's more important is to hold a conversation to discuss
their messages and their experiences as well. So, in light
of everything, we think it's the most important thing in
the round is to make sure people have a voice
in the first place to get across their message, and
there's no greater place to do that than TOC finals.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Wow, Matt, so, how can you be so smart and
unwise at the same time.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Then that ernest young man goes on to make a
statement that I think we'll all enjoy.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It's important to recognize that debate is not about winning
an argument, it's about making sure everyone feels okay and
making sure everyone feels safe, and that's hindered upon. I
think that's when debate becomes essentially useless in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Come on in China. So so one interesting thing there.
So he did say that the arguments they've been making
throughout the tournament, so it's not like they got caught
off guard. They knew this was coming. So the team
that ended up winning went through the other rounds with
this same spiel. Okay, obviously based on what that kid
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just said there. So was there no adult around though,
would say no, no, no, no, no no, we're not
going to concede. Just go up there and say I
agree with everything they said, but that is not the
topic chosen. So we're going to debate the topic chosen
and then just lay out your Was there no adult
to say that?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, no, the adults joined in. In fact, let's go
ahead and see what that sounds like. We'll start with
ninety three and keep going. Michael, I'll call for it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I went to add really quickly.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I don't think that judges should be accepting apologies on
behalf of transtibators.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
CIS judges feel that is their right to decide what
is okay or why when it becomes okay, when an
apology is good enough, when it becomes unjustifiably violent. What
has happened to a transdorpator. I don't think that this
decision should be made by six people, or at least minimally, so, yeah,
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I think we should defer to transm.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I got to tell you what my current mood and
vibe is on this. My mood and vibe is you've
been hoodwinked somehow. This didn't actually happen. You've been tricked.
It may have happened at some Brooklyn high school. But
there's no way this was like the national Championships. There's
just no way. There's no way this is true. This
can't be true. It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
That last couple of statements made by the kid is
absolutely like reading from the script of the Cultural revolution
in Gairman Mouse China, the whole. No, your apology is
not good enough. You're gonna stay on your knees. You're
gonna continue to be beaten, You're going to continue to
wear the counter revolutionary sign around your neck until we
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tell you we're done, You ciss judges, you counter revolutionaries.
You don't get to tell us when you're done apologizing.
I mean, it's barely even changed clothes. Well, let me
just say that swimming is not about keeping your head
above water. He actually said debate, debate is not about
winning an argument. That's correct.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm wanting to hear that statement again real quick. Sure,
why not? Well, at least part of it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
It's important to recognize that debate is not about winning
an argument. Oh okay, it's about making sure everyone feels
okay and making sure everyone feels safe. And that's hindered upon.
I think that's when debate becomes essentially useless.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The first, let me translate, debate is not about winning
an argument. It's about demonstrating conformity to the party line.
Because again, Maoism barely bothered to change its clothes.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
What did he actually say after that? He said, it's
about making sure people's feelings aren't hurt something.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, everybody feels safe and people's feelings aren't hurt. See
this is it's again, it's neo Marxism. They have substituted
moralistic arguments for revolutionary arguments. If you resist me. You
are hurting people. Your speech is violence, you're making them
feel unsafe, et cetera. But it's exactly the same sort
of quote unquote arguments. It's it's it's emotional blackmail.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Actually, well that's I doubt these high school kids are
neo Marxist though, so they're the they're the that's why
this has worked so well. They're the nice kids who
want to be nice and don't want to be mean,
and have been hoodwinked into believing this is the nice
not mean thing to do by actual neo Marxists who
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have taken them that direction. I assume.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Then, skipping ninety five Michael, ladies and gentlemen, I give
you the judges.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I want to also thank you for allowing this to happen,
University and ADULTOED for bringing up arguments that you will
that you could definitely receive backlash on, and especially JJ
for being brave and taking this step all throughout the tournament.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And then the other judgment.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You could say that, or you could say we're not
going to let children decide what the topic is. We
decided what the topic is and that's what we're debating.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
To Dalton congratulations for making it this far, doing something
that you're so clearly passionate about, and that is good, right,
and that is about more than just the debate around.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know if I've ever been this gobsmacked by
anything we've ever played.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You know, I've been talking about this, reporting this in
the world of debate for a while that facts and
arguments have gone out of style. Now it's who can
bellow the most emotionally about their lived experience. And I
was familiar with it on the college debate world, in
the college debate world, but to have the national High
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School Championship go this way is an astonishing snapshot of
where our society is, particular, well the educational slash media
part of our society.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I wonder what percentage of people would agree with that? Yeah,
what would you guess if you're going to put a
number on it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Very very small, Well, maybe something like twenty percent, maybe
even twenty five percent, But I will I will tell
you that that twenty five percent there would be an
enormous overlap with people who are extremely easily led and
are just desperate for approval. I think if you have
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any independent thinking whatsoever, any grasp of history, any grasp
of human nature, you would understand how diseased that is.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Wow, that is horrifying. I don't even know what to
make of that. So and the fact that it's happening
right now, when that crowd has been unmasked as Yeah,
you're only about safe spaces and feelings if it's stuff
you agree with, because you're all okay with tearing down
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the posters of missing children if they're Jews, or harassing
young people on campus and making them physically afraid if
they're Jews. So it's all a load of crap. Whole
feelings are the most important thing. Act Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Would really suggest, and I mean this from my heart,
I would suggest, folks, you accept that this is happening.
Your gobsmacked, you're astounded, I get that, but you've got
to accept it's happening and say, like I do, oh maoism,
I recognize this. Like I've said a couple of times,
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it's barely bothered to change its clothes. These are exactly
the techniques of Marxism, particularly the Chinese brand of it,
in which counter revolutionaries were forced, often by their children
or their their students or whatever, to admit that they
were counter revolutionaries, forced to their knees and struggle sessions
and made to be obedient, whether through psychological browbeating or
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actual beatings or executions. It's the same thing. You con
form or you will be cast out and it will
hurt bad.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Wow. So they went through every round, There had to
be many, many rounds to get to the championship.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I'm not sure that they did in the way you're describing.
I don't know exactly how that happens, whether they have
a different topic in every round.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, based on what that kid said, it sounded like
that they were pitching this stuff, being brave and making
the argument. So wow.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I didn't take it that way, but I might
have missed it. I can't believe the judges went along
with it. They're probably master's degree in education types, straight
out of teachers' colleges.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You're gonna let children decide what the topic is for
your debates from now on, and the emotional, the most
emotional argument wins.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And it's about transgender debaters and their right to a
safe space. And the other team says, you're right, you win.
We don't even want to argue with you. You're so righteous. Wow,
straight out of the cultural revolution that is so crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Armstrong and Getty