July 20, 2023 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you solemnly swear for a special agent?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Joseph Ziegler is a thirteen year veteran of the IRS,
a registered Democrat, and until now a confidential whistleblower. I
do Today, he publicly testified about his role investigating the
President's son Hunter for tax crimes.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm the main case agent. I worked ninety five percent
of this tax investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
In an exclusive interview with CBS News, Ziggler told us
he believed the evidence he gathered during the five year
probe supported multiple felony and misdemeanor counts, including allegations Hunter
Biden wrote off personal expenses as business payments.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hotels, he was blacklisted from payments that were made to escorts,
payments that are made to no show employees.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Okay, that's CBS News, and good on them for covering it.
ABC News, for instance, didn't have a word about it
unless I missed it somehow, and I watched the whole cast.
Maybe I blanked out again. Just to make it clear,
because much of the media, either accidentally or on purposes
doing this, and a lot of you Texters keep saying this,
Who cares about Hunter Biden? I don't care about Hunter Biden.
(01:05):
He's a scumbag loser. I hope he gets his act
together some day, but a crazy rich one kid's sake.
But the problem, what the guy was just laying out
here is Okay, he see tax cheat. Tax cheats get prosecuted.
Every other tax cheat that these high level irx IRIS
experts have looked at in their lives have ended up
(01:26):
in jail. This guy didn't why that's the story, And well,
I would say that's half the story. The other half
of the story is.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
His spectacular levels of income which we'll be getting into
from foreign entities flowed into a bunch of shell companies
run by the Biden family. Millions of dollars from overseas
sources flowing to the Biden family without any good explanation,
and then the taxes on them being invaded, and the
(01:56):
Justice Department saying, yeah, don't investigate that set up down. Yes,
I know felonies are supported, but forget about it.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That's the story.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So the show whistleblower you're about to hear from, nobody
had ever seen or heard his name until yesterday. And
he was a very well spoken guy, obviously a sharp guy.
You'd have to be super smart to do a job
like that, well, I'd be the wrong guy for that
kind of job. You got to be so heard.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
He's an ultra maga Republican jack.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's not exactly his deal, but anyway, here's a little
sampling of what he sounded like yesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And coming forward, I believe I'm risking my career, my reputation,
and my casework outside of the investigation we are here
to discuss. I ultimately made the decision to come forward
after what I believe we multiple attempts at blowing the
whistle in the Internal Revenue Service.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
At the Internal Revenue Service.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No one should be above the law, regardless of your
political affiliation. I've recently discovered that people are saying that
I must be more credible because I'm a Democrat who
happens to be married to a man. I'm no more
credible than this man sitting next to me. Dude, I
actually due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs.
The truth is, my credibility comes today from my job,
(03:08):
experience with the IRS, and my intimate knowledge of the
agency's standard and procedures. I was raised and have always
strived to do what is right. Although I do have
my supporters. Others have said that I am a trader
to the Democratic Party and that I'm causing more division
in our society.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I employ you to.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Consider that if you were in my position, with the
facts as I have stated them, ask yourself if you
would be doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I don't live in the DC area.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had to fly here and have had to pay
out a pocket for all my travel related expenses in
being a whistleblower. On that note, I would like to
make another statement that I have not accepted a single
payment from anyone for being a whistleblower.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Him, like the other guy sitting next to him, Shapley,
sound completely normal, believable, not not crazy, not partisans I
mean compared to like that job one who was questioned
about Kavanaugh the sex thing from forty years ago. Mike,
I mean, I mean these people sound sane, non political,
(04:13):
I mean, just unimpeachable.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Speaking of that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Gary Shapley, the other whistleblower, is quite eloquent at several points.
But Clip forty Michael, in which he is also addressing
the idea of who they are, or the question of
who they are and why they're.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
There Unfortunately, the way this has already been handled by
some members and the media has done immeasurable damage the
future would be whistleblowers. I have been attacked as incompetent
and falsely accused of being a liar, a leaker, or both,
all by people who know nothing about me or the
facts of this case. Some question if I should even
be called a whistleblower, suggesting that my disclosures are not
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legally protected merely because they don't like what I'm saying.
So you've seen this shoe on the other foot before,
and some Republicans have made the same error. So there's
plenty of blame for both sides. The cycle of villainizing
or canonizing government employees who report what they believe is
wrongdoing has to stop.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, near lips to God's ears.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, good luck with that, my friend. But yeah, yeah,
So into the substance of the thing, and again saying this,
this stunt going after Hunter Biden is like pretending that
the Watergate story was about the break in was about
a simple burglary of an office, when it was about
much much more. Let's see. Well, here's the basics. Let's
(05:41):
start with thirty four.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Michael In early August, the twenty twenty two federal prosecutors
from the Department of Justice Tax Division drafted a ninety
nine page memorandum in in so they were recommending for
approval felony and misdemeanor charges for the twenty seventeen, eighteen,
and nineteen tax years that did not happen here, and
(06:02):
I am not sure.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Why, and then what sort of crime are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Next clip?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Hunter Biden allegedly falsely claimed business seductions for payments made
to the Shattomarmount, a hotel room for his supposed drug dealer,
sex club memberships falsely referenced on the wire as a
golf membership, hotels he was blacklisted from, and a Columbia
University tuition payment for his adult daughter. All of these
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items were used to support wilfulness, the wilfulness element for
felony tax evasion. These false deductions claimed by hunter Biden
caused a false return to be prepared that underreported his
total income by approximately two hundred and sixty seven thousand
dollars and a loss to the US Treasury of one
hundred and six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But he's paid his taxes back, so Why is this
a story? Was some of the question.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, as they made clear, you can't evade taxes, lie
on your tail returns, and then when get caught, pay
it back and say no crime here, no crime. That's
not the way it worked.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
By the way, we also know that he did not
pay the taxes back. Some Hollywood mogul paid them back
for some reason with a loan.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's a big time Democratic fundraiser. Whatever's going on there? Yeah,
uh clip thirty six.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Michael second, with respect to the twenty fourteen tax hear
hunter Biden did not report any of the money he
earned from Bearisma for the twenty fourteen tax here, which
would have lost which would have been a tax loss
to the government of one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars.
According to my previous testimony, Hunter Biden did not report
this income to the irs or pay tax on the
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source of income. There is nothing that I see in
the public documents as to the Department of Justices action
against hunter Biden that indicate that hunter Biden will be
required to pay tax on this Bearisma income from twenty
fourteen or amendous twenty fourteen tax return.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, one of the things I got from listening
to these IRS guys, Because it looks like we're at
a costume store the other day and we're looking at
the masks, and what's the scariest mask up there? And
I was talking to the clerk, I said, do you
have an IRS agent? Ha ha haaa, because that's what's
scary to me. But I liked hearing from these IRS
agents that it sounds like you really have to go
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a long way to get yourself into jail. I mean
you have to not only not pay your taxes, you
have to knowingly not pay your taxes. Then when you're
alerted to it, try to hide the fact and do
a whole bunch of things before you get yourself in trouble.
I mean, you're given opportunities to fix it before you
get thrown in jail. And Hunter did all those things,
(08:39):
didn't pay, you know, lied, was given a chance to
make it right. Lied again that you know, just kept
doubling down on it right, and so they again that's
the point. Anybody else doing that would ended up in jail.
And he didn't. Why well, but why is somehow either
(08:59):
ordered by the resident or just knowing it be a
good idea? To cover for the president. The Justice Department
didn't pursue under Biden the way you pursue normal people,
and that alone is a serious problem, the obstruction of
justice by the executive branch. But the well, and I
want to hear a couple more clips because I don't
remember precisely what's in them. It was a long hearing,
(09:22):
but I do want to make one final point before
we take a break.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Give us thirty seven Michael.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
In early August of twenty twenty two, the signed prosecutors
all four attorneys, agreed to recommend felony and misdemeanor charges
for the twenty seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen tax yars insofar
as the Department of Justice Tax Division attorney sent an
email about the process of bringing charges to include felony
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and misdemeanor tax charges in two separate districts, Delaware and
Los Angeles. Less than a month later, Gary Shapley and
I met with mister Weiss. He stated that he agreed
with us regarding the twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen ten
A misdemeanor and felony charges, but that this could somehow
affect the later year misdemeanor and felony charges that he
(10:07):
conveyed were stronger. Despite these facts, the plea deal that
is that is being discussed occurred to this day. I
do not have a reason why that occurred. From my perspective,
this might not have been problematic had the investigation been
handled in the ordinary course.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And that is the key point that I wanted to
lead to the problem with the way the investigation was
managed and overmanaged. And he gets into that in thirty
eight fifth.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
As I had previously testified and is contained in my
written testimony, I have outlined for you some instances in
which assigned prosecutors did not appear to follow the normal
investigative process, so walk the investigation and put in place
unnecessary approvals and roadblocks from effectively an efficiently investigating the case.
(11:00):
A number of times we were not able to follow
the facts. I'm happy to respond to questions concerning these instances.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So this ultra mega gay republican, ultra mega gay republican,
you can hear anything a Democrat, Yeah, you can hear
in his voice how exasperated he has been for years
over this whole thing. Like we did all the work.
This is a clear cut case of this guy goes
to jail. All of our bosses agreed, we had everything
(11:29):
lined up, were ready to go, and then it just
didn't happen exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And what's particularly notable about this, and I speak these
words without fear of even one percent contradiction, because I
have it on excellent authority repeatedly in an IRS investigation
of tax fraud, tax evasion, et cetera. You need to
nail down, you must nail down where the money came
(11:56):
from and where it went. And any time Shapley and
Ziggler got anywhere close to Joseph R. Biden of Delaware,
anything about the big guy, anything about the maze of LLC's,
anything about all the money that flowed to family members,
they were told stand down, don't ask, just stop. And
(12:18):
they were astounded and frustrated and angered because they're really
really good at their jobs and they're proud of it,
and were told, you're not doing your job this time.
You're gonna leave that alone. It's clear obstruction of justice.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I also got the sense that they might have a
little bit because they're not rich guys, might have a
little bit of the you know, really hate rich people
getting away with not having to follow the rules, which
you know is perfectly reasonable human emotion to have.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Ziggler also told us prosecutors would not sign off on
pursuing these that might involve President Biden.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Anytime we potentially wanted to go down the road of
asking questions related to the president, it was that's going
to take too much approvals. We can't ask those questions.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's a politically sensitive case.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Wouldn't it require additional approvals?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yes, I do understand that, but it would be like, well,
let's think about it, let's put that on the back burner,
and it would now move down to item number fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's the ira swhistleblower saying anytime they went the direction
of it might be President Biden, they weren't allowed to
go there. And again, good on CBS News for interviewing him.
They had shapleyon remember a couple of weeks ago. They're
taking this story very seriously. ABC News didn't cover it
at all, didn't even make the freaking news. I'm sorry,
dollar in the swear jar, but that's just crazy. That
(13:44):
is crazy. How is this not newsworthy?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I suspect Catherine Herridage pushed to have that report included
I'll bet he did.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That's a swear jars.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
There's the sward jar there anyway. So that's what the
the main significance is all about. Did the DOJ tell
the irs you will not in the FBI, for that matter,
tell them no, you won't follow the money in a
tax investigation, which is I think anybody can understand the
problem with that. So, speaking of the money that flowed
(14:17):
like the Mississippi River into the Biden family inexplicably, how
much from where? Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Whoops?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Forty two?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
How much money did Hunter Biden and his associate receive
from the Romanian company you identified?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
So that amount would be from Romania.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the approximate total transfers from the Romania company would
have been three point one million to everyone three point
one million?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
How much did Hunter biden is business associate recite from
State Energy HK Limited through the Robinson Walker LLC?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So total transfers from State Energy HK to rob Walker
was three million?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Three million?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Was there one hundred thousand dollars payment from CEFC Infrastructure
to a wasco PC Hunter Biden's.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Professional corporation, Yes, chairman.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Approximately how much was transferred to Hunter Biden and his
business associates through Hudson West three.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So the total transfers from Hudson West three to everyone
was three point seven.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Million, three point seven million. How much money did Hunter
Biden and his business associates receive from the Ukrainian company Barisma?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Barisma paid to everyone involved six point five.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Million, six point five million. Barisma also paid Blue Star
Strategies and a law firm hundreds of thousands of dollars,
bringing the total Brisma payments to over seven million dollars.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That is correct? Seven point three million.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Seven point three million between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen.
This brings the total amount of foreign income streams received
to approximately seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Correct, that is.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Correct, seventeen million dollars flowing into and through the Biden family.
But you can't follow the money.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Of that seventeen point three million dollars, He said, Hunter
received eight point three million, while the rest went to
immediate family members and associates through all those LLC's. And
that's not interesting to most of media outlets in America.
That doesn't seem odd to you that a crack addict
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with no experience in any of these businesses was somehow
worth seventeen point three million dollars. And then who do
you know who makes a lot of money? Who has
the paychecks go into LLCs that go to cousins and
nephews and wives and dads. I mean, who does that right?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And the fact that none of this was felonious? Oh
I remember now? You remember the left media, including the
New York Times, which is ignoring the story completely, were
fully turgid. They were so excited and aroused when the
Russian clue hoax investigation finally got somebody tried and convicted
Paul Manifort. You remember what Paul Manafort was tried for
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failure to register as a foreign agent because he was
flacking for you know, some evil Eastern European dictator. It
is beyond dispute that Hudder Biden was flacking for Chinese
energy companies in Barisma and others. There there's an email
trail saying him saying, hey, listen, the Bidens can deliver
what you're looking for better than anybody. But it's never
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specified what they're looking for. What they're looking for is
pr in the United States and political influence.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So next week, the same committee is going to talk
to Hunter's business partner, Devon Archer. He's going to testify
in from the House Oversight Committee and they'll be able
to try to nail down more of what you know
the meetings were, like, who was in the meetings, bought,
what they were up to. I don't know anything. Does
Devon Archer have a reason to flip or be honest
or I guess we'll find out. One other aspect of
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this that drove me crazy is it was clear that
the IRS believed the laptop was real. They wanted access
to the laptop, so the FBI knew the laptop was real.
The IRS knew the laptop was real. This was way
back when you would get your account canceled on Twitter
or Facebook if you claimed the laptop was real. The
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IRS and the FBI knew it was real.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, if you even linked to an article in the
New York Post, they would suspend your account.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
How nuts is that?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
That doesn't bother you as an American on either side
of the aisle, not even a little
Do you solemnly swear for a special agent?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Joseph Ziegler is a thirteen year veteran of the IRS,
a registered Democrat, and until now a confidential whistleblower. I
do Today, he publicly testified about his role investigating the
President's son Hunter for tax crimes.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm the main case agent. I worked ninety five percent
of this tax investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
In an exclusive interview with CBS News, Ziggler told us
he believed the evidence he gathered during the five year
probe supported multiple felony and misdemeanor counts, including allegations Hunter
Biden wrote off personal expenses as business payments.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hotels, he was blacklisted from payments that were made to escorts,
payments that are made to no show employees.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Okay, that's CBS News, and good on them for covering it.
ABC News, for instance, didn't have a word about it
unless I missed it somehow, and I watched the whole cast.
Maybe I blanked out again. Just to make it clear,
because much of the media, either accidentally or on purposes
doing this, and a lot of you Texters keep saying this,
Who cares about Hunter Biden? I don't care about Hunter Biden.
(01:05):
He's a scumbag loser. I hope he gets his act
together some day, but a crazy rich one kid's sake.
But the problem, what the guy was just laying out
here is Okay, he see tax cheat. Tax cheats get prosecuted.
Every other tax cheat that these high level irx IRIS
experts have looked at in their lives have ended up
(01:26):
in jail. This guy didn't why that's the story, And well,
I would say that's half the story. The other half
of the story is.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
His spectacular levels of income which we'll be getting into
from foreign entities flowed into a bunch of shell companies
run by the Biden family. Millions of dollars from overseas
sources flowing to the Biden family without any good explanation,
and then the taxes on them being invaded, and the
(01:56):
Justice Department saying, yeah, don't investigate that set up down. Yes,
I know felonies are supported, but forget about it.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That's the story.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So the show whistleblower you're about to hear from, nobody
had ever seen or heard his name until yesterday. And
he was a very well spoken guy, obviously a sharp guy.
You'd have to be super smart to do a job
like that, well, I'd be the wrong guy for that
kind of job. You got to be so heard.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
He's an ultra maga Republican jack.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's not exactly his deal, but anyway, here's a little
sampling of what he sounded like yesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And coming forward, I believe I'm risking my career, my reputation,
and my casework outside of the investigation we are here
to discuss. I ultimately made the decision to come forward
after what I believe we multiple attempts at blowing the
whistle in the Internal Revenue Service.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
At the Internal Revenue Service.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No one should be above the law, regardless of your
political affiliation. I've recently discovered that people are saying that
I must be more credible because I'm a Democrat who
happens to be married to a man. I'm no more
credible than this man sitting next to me. Dude, I
actually due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs.
The truth is, my credibility comes today from my job,
(03:08):
experience with the IRS, and my intimate knowledge of the
agency's standard and procedures. I was raised and have always
strived to do what is right. Although I do have
my supporters. Others have said that I am a trader
to the Democratic Party and that I'm causing more division
in our society.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I employ you to.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Consider that if you were in my position, with the
facts as I have stated them, ask yourself if you
would be doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I don't live in the DC area.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had to fly here and have had to pay
out a pocket for all my travel related expenses in
being a whistleblower. On that note, I would like to
make another statement that I have not accepted a single
payment from anyone for being a whistleblower.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Him, like the other guy sitting next to him, Shapley,
sound completely normal, believable, not not crazy, not partisans I
mean compared to like that job one who was questioned
about Kavanaugh the sex thing from forty years ago. Mike,
I mean, I mean these people sound sane, non political,
(04:13):
I mean, just unimpeachable.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Speaking of that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Gary Shapley, the other whistleblower, is quite eloquent at several points.
But Clip forty Michael, in which he is also addressing
the idea of who they are, or the question of
who they are and why they're.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
There Unfortunately, the way this has already been handled by
some members and the media has done immeasurable damage the
future would be whistleblowers. I have been attacked as incompetent
and falsely accused of being a liar, a leaker, or both,
all by people who know nothing about me or the
facts of this case. Some question if I should even
be called a whistleblower, suggesting that my disclosures are not
(04:55):
legally protected merely because they don't like what I'm saying.
So you've seen this shoe on the other foot before,
and some Republicans have made the same error. So there's
plenty of blame for both sides. The cycle of villainizing
or canonizing government employees who report what they believe is
wrongdoing has to stop.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, near lips to God's ears.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, good luck with that, my friend. But yeah, yeah,
So into the substance of the thing, and again saying this,
this stunt going after Hunter Biden is like pretending that
the Watergate story was about the break in was about
a simple burglary of an office, when it was about
much much more. Let's see. Well, here's the basics. Let's
(05:41):
start with thirty four.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Michael In early August, the twenty twenty two federal prosecutors
from the Department of Justice Tax Division drafted a ninety
nine page memorandum in in so they were recommending for
approval felony and misdemeanor charges for the twenty seventeen, eighteen,
and nineteen tax years that did not happen here, and
(06:02):
I am not sure.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Why, and then what sort of crime are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Next clip?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Hunter Biden allegedly falsely claimed business seductions for payments made
to the Shattomarmount, a hotel room for his supposed drug dealer,
sex club memberships falsely referenced on the wire as a
golf membership, hotels he was blacklisted from, and a Columbia
University tuition payment for his adult daughter. All of these
(06:31):
items were used to support wilfulness, the wilfulness element for
felony tax evasion. These false deductions claimed by hunter Biden
caused a false return to be prepared that underreported his
total income by approximately two hundred and sixty seven thousand
dollars and a loss to the US Treasury of one
hundred and six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But he's paid his taxes back, so Why is this
a story? Was some of the question.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, as they made clear, you can't evade taxes, lie
on your tail returns, and then when get caught, pay
it back and say no crime here, no crime. That's
not the way it worked.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
By the way, we also know that he did not
pay the taxes back. Some Hollywood mogul paid them back
for some reason with a loan.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's a big time Democratic fundraiser. Whatever's going on there? Yeah,
uh clip thirty six.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Michael second, with respect to the twenty fourteen tax hear
hunter Biden did not report any of the money he
earned from Bearisma for the twenty fourteen tax here, which
would have lost which would have been a tax loss
to the government of one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars.
According to my previous testimony, Hunter Biden did not report
this income to the irs or pay tax on the
(07:40):
source of income. There is nothing that I see in
the public documents as to the Department of Justices action
against hunter Biden that indicate that hunter Biden will be
required to pay tax on this Bearisma income from twenty
fourteen or amendous twenty fourteen tax return.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, one of the things I got from listening
to these IRS guys, Because it looks like we're at
a costume store the other day and we're looking at
the masks, and what's the scariest mask up there? And
I was talking to the clerk, I said, do you
have an IRS agent? Ha ha haaa, because that's what's
scary to me. But I liked hearing from these IRS
agents that it sounds like you really have to go
(08:18):
a long way to get yourself into jail. I mean
you have to not only not pay your taxes, you
have to knowingly not pay your taxes. Then when you're
alerted to it, try to hide the fact and do
a whole bunch of things before you get yourself in trouble.
I mean, you're given opportunities to fix it before you
get thrown in jail. And Hunter did all those things,
(08:39):
didn't pay, you know, lied, was given a chance to
make it right. Lied again that you know, just kept
doubling down on it right, and so they again that's
the point. Anybody else doing that would ended up in jail.
And he didn't. Why well, but why is somehow either
(08:59):
ordered by the resident or just knowing it be a
good idea? To cover for the president. The Justice Department
didn't pursue under Biden the way you pursue normal people,
and that alone is a serious problem, the obstruction of
justice by the executive branch. But the well, and I
want to hear a couple more clips because I don't
remember precisely what's in them. It was a long hearing,
(09:22):
but I do want to make one final point before
we take a break.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Give us thirty seven Michael.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
In early August of twenty twenty two, the signed prosecutors
all four attorneys, agreed to recommend felony and misdemeanor charges
for the twenty seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen tax yars insofar
as the Department of Justice Tax Division attorney sent an
email about the process of bringing charges to include felony
(09:47):
and misdemeanor tax charges in two separate districts, Delaware and
Los Angeles. Less than a month later, Gary Shapley and
I met with mister Weiss. He stated that he agreed
with us regarding the twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen ten
A misdemeanor and felony charges, but that this could somehow
affect the later year misdemeanor and felony charges that he
(10:07):
conveyed were stronger. Despite these facts, the plea deal that
is that is being discussed occurred to this day. I
do not have a reason why that occurred. From my perspective,
this might not have been problematic had the investigation been
handled in the ordinary course.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And that is the key point that I wanted to
lead to the problem with the way the investigation was
managed and overmanaged. And he gets into that in thirty
eight fifth.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
As I had previously testified and is contained in my
written testimony, I have outlined for you some instances in
which assigned prosecutors did not appear to follow the normal
investigative process, so walk the investigation and put in place
unnecessary approvals and roadblocks from effectively an efficiently investigating the case.
(11:00):
A number of times we were not able to follow
the facts. I'm happy to respond to questions concerning these instances.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So this ultra mega gay republican, ultra mega gay republican,
you can hear anything a Democrat, Yeah, you can hear
in his voice how exasperated he has been for years
over this whole thing. Like we did all the work.
This is a clear cut case of this guy goes
to jail. All of our bosses agreed, we had everything
(11:29):
lined up, were ready to go, and then it just
didn't happen exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And what's particularly notable about this, and I speak these
words without fear of even one percent contradiction, because I
have it on excellent authority repeatedly in an IRS investigation
of tax fraud, tax evasion, et cetera. You need to
nail down, you must nail down where the money came
(11:56):
from and where it went. And any time Shapley and
Ziggler got anywhere close to Joseph R. Biden of Delaware,
anything about the big guy, anything about the maze of LLC's,
anything about all the money that flowed to family members,
they were told stand down, don't ask, just stop. And
(12:18):
they were astounded and frustrated and angered because they're really
really good at their jobs and they're proud of it,
and were told, you're not doing your job this time.
You're gonna leave that alone. It's clear obstruction of justice.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I also got the sense that they might have a
little bit because they're not rich guys, might have a
little bit of the you know, really hate rich people
getting away with not having to follow the rules, which
you know is perfectly reasonable human emotion to have.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Ziggler also told us prosecutors would not sign off on
pursuing these that might involve President Biden.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Anytime we potentially wanted to go down the road of
asking questions related to the president, it was that's going
to take too much approvals. We can't ask those questions.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's a politically sensitive case.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Wouldn't it require additional approvals?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yes, I do understand that, but it would be like, well,
let's think about it, let's put that on the back burner,
and it would now move down to item number fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's the ira swhistleblower saying anytime they went the direction
of it might be President Biden, they weren't allowed to
go there. And again, good on CBS News for interviewing him.
They had shapleyon remember a couple of weeks ago. They're
taking this story very seriously. ABC News didn't cover it
at all, didn't even make the freaking news. I'm sorry,
dollar in the swear jar, but that's just crazy. That
(13:44):
is crazy. How is this not newsworthy?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I suspect Catherine Herridage pushed to have that report included
I'll bet he did.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That's a swear jars.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
There's the sward jar there anyway. So that's what the
the main significance is all about. Did the DOJ tell
the irs you will not in the FBI, for that matter,
tell them no, you won't follow the money in a
tax investigation, which is I think anybody can understand the
problem with that. So, speaking of the money that flowed
(14:17):
like the Mississippi River into the Biden family inexplicably, how
much from where? Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Whoops?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Forty two?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
How much money did Hunter Biden and his associate receive
from the Romanian company you identified?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
So that amount would be from Romania.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the approximate total transfers from the Romania company would
have been three point one million to everyone three point
one million?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
How much did Hunter biden is business associate recite from
State Energy HK Limited through the Robinson Walker LLC?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So total transfers from State Energy HK to rob Walker
was three million?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Three million?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Was there one hundred thousand dollars payment from CEFC Infrastructure
to a wasco PC Hunter Biden's.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Professional corporation, Yes, chairman.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Approximately how much was transferred to Hunter Biden and his
business associates through Hudson West three.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So the total transfers from Hudson West three to everyone
was three point seven.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Million, three point seven million. How much money did Hunter
Biden and his business associates receive from the Ukrainian company Barisma?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Barisma paid to everyone involved six point five.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Million, six point five million. Barisma also paid Blue Star
Strategies and a law firm hundreds of thousands of dollars,
bringing the total Brisma payments to over seven million dollars.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That is correct? Seven point three million.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Seven point three million between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen.
This brings the total amount of foreign income streams received
to approximately seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Correct, that is.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Correct, seventeen million dollars flowing into and through the Biden family.
But you can't follow the money.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Of that seventeen point three million dollars, He said, Hunter
received eight point three million, while the rest went to
immediate family members and associates through all those LLC's. And
that's not interesting to most of media outlets in America.
That doesn't seem odd to you that a crack addict
(16:24):
with no experience in any of these businesses was somehow
worth seventeen point three million dollars. And then who do
you know who makes a lot of money? Who has
the paychecks go into LLCs that go to cousins and
nephews and wives and dads. I mean, who does that right?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And the fact that none of this was felonious? Oh
I remember now? You remember the left media, including the
New York Times, which is ignoring the story completely, were
fully turgid. They were so excited and aroused when the
Russian clue hoax investigation finally got somebody tried and convicted
Paul Manifort. You remember what Paul Manafort was tried for
(17:08):
failure to register as a foreign agent because he was
flacking for you know, some evil Eastern European dictator. It
is beyond dispute that Hudder Biden was flacking for Chinese
energy companies in Barisma and others. There there's an email
trail saying him saying, hey, listen, the Bidens can deliver
what you're looking for better than anybody. But it's never
(17:31):
specified what they're looking for. What they're looking for is
pr in the United States and political influence.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So next week, the same committee is going to talk
to Hunter's business partner, Devon Archer. He's going to testify
in from the House Oversight Committee and they'll be able
to try to nail down more of what you know
the meetings were, like, who was in the meetings, bought,
what they were up to. I don't know anything. Does
Devon Archer have a reason to flip or be honest
or I guess we'll find out. One other aspect of
(18:00):
this that drove me crazy is it was clear that
the IRS believed the laptop was real. They wanted access
to the laptop, so the FBI knew the laptop was real.
The IRS knew the laptop was real. This was way
back when you would get your account canceled on Twitter
or Facebook if you claimed the laptop was real. The
(18:22):
IRS and the FBI knew it was real.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, if you even linked to an article in the
New York Post, they would suspend your account.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
How nuts is that?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
That doesn't bother you as an American on either side
of the aisle, not even a little
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