June 27, 2023 • 9 mins
Jack and Joe covered what decisions will be released by the Supreme Court later today and what those decisions could mean for the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Supreme Court is getting toward the end of June,
and that is traditionally where they unleash some of their
earth shaking decisions and then yeat out of town. As
my youngsters might say, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's what my kids say too. Yeah, so the Supreme
Court justice is really controversial things they say, and gay
people can get married, and then they put on a
disguise and jump in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
A car and drive off.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
They're already at sixty miles per hour when they throw
the decision out the window as they get on the
interstand and Roe versus Wags no longer a thing, and
they jump in a car off they go right exactly.
So anyway, we're to that point in the year, and
a couple of things are worth mentioning. There's some big
undecided cases, including affirmative action with a race conscious admission
(00:46):
policies at Harvard, which is private and the University of
North Carolina, which is public, violate the Constitution or federal
civil rights laws.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And interestingly, even the liberal.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
New York Times, well, actually, no, I'm sorry, they're praying
something from Scotus Pole, which pulls people about Supreme Court
cases of people's attitudes.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
They point out that pole is a terrible term. It is.
It sounds dirty. It's not, but it sounds dirty.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, where the public stands on this, Private colleges and
universities should not be able to use race as a
factor in admissions.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Seventy percent of Americans say that.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Because that's racism, right, because it sounds awful to do that,
and on a purely utilitarian basis, on an outcome focused basis,
if there are inequities in education, black kids haven't gotten
a fair shake, the time to address that is in
elementary school and remedial programs and get them up to
(01:51):
speed so they can perform in universities.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Whether elite or you know, the regular kind, so called elite.
I hate that term. Shoving them into Harvard unprepared is
an idiotic way to remedy the problem. Anyway, moving along,
even fifty eight percent of Democrats say it should not
be a thing. Among independents it's seventy two percent. Republicans
(02:17):
seventy eight percent.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I did not know that. It is practically uncontroversial.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
If they, if they, If the Supreme Court does this,
what is it gonna What is it going to do
to the makeup of universities, mostly because I keep thinking
of Larry Summers when he was president of Harvard, looking
out the window and saying, we still have almost entirely
(02:44):
white kids here, even after all the various different things
they'd done. So is it are you going to change
up the makeup much of these elite universities.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well maybe he's too far up in his ivory tower
to recognize that those quote unquote white people were Asians
or a.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well that's w I was wondered.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Our campus is going to be all Asian in Indian
Americans maybe more so.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But here's here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The university system, as you know, is absolutely packed with
activist progressives. And what they've done is they've gone to
away from test scores even GPAs in some cases, and
they rely on your personal essay, your life story. Now
we're not using race or anything, but it happens that
(03:32):
everybody who wrote an essay saying as a black person,
I blah blah blah got in disproportional numbers to you know,
Hispanic people for instance, or Asians or whatever. So they
have ways to twist the process that are very difficult
to undo through the courts. I'm annoyed by the entire
notion of elite universities. And I never worry about the
(03:53):
makeup of their campuses at all. By the way, it's
not a front burner issue for me.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So I'm going to give you this specific wording of
this question. It's about the student loans case, because that's
another the student loan forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I didn't know that was in front of the Supreme
Court and that could get decided. Are they going to
finally say, no, you don't get to wipe out agreements
that people made financial agreements. What are they going to say?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, now you could call me a hypocrite, I suppose
because I took the first poll at face value. This
one I'm going to point out, I think there is
a real lack of understanding among common people what the
issue is here, and Jack just stated part of it.
And can the executive branch just summarily dismiss debts without
any legislation or abuse the hell out of the interpretation
(04:38):
of previous legislation to the point that it's unrecognizable. We're
talking about the Heroes Act for the young men and
women in Afghanistans, so they wouldn't be evicted itself twenty
some years ago, right, exactly, so did the Biden administration
overstep its authority with its debt forgiveness plan. It's fifty
to fifty in America idiots. Only twenty seven percent of
(05:01):
Democrats think he did fifty three percent of independence due
and seventy two percent of Republicans. I think, give them,
give me forty five seconds to explain some of the
constitutional issues, and I think you'd see those numbers swayed completely.
Then another big case, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, does it have anything to do though, with the
fact that I think a lot more Democrats are in
college or went to college, or have student loans. I mean,
if the Republican Party is becoming the party of the
working class, it's not shocking to me that the working
class is not interested in paying the student loan debt
of the college party, and that the college you don't.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Think plumbing apprentices should be paying for social degrees.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And I think it's not surprising to me that the
college party thinks that that guy over there should pay
my student loan debt.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, you've reduced it to its essence there, And I
think you're absolutely right about the web designer who objects
to same sex marriage being compelled to design a website
for a gay wedding.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It does such love.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And this gets into that because I've I've listened to
some lawyers talk about this. This gets complicated in how
it is the same or different than making a cake
for somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right, is it an art or is it simply providing
a commodity service like a hotel room is a commodity.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So you can't say no, gay people stay in my
hotel room.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Right, But you can't go to me and say, you're
a songwriter, I'm gonna pay you to write a song
in praise of gender affirming care for children, for instance.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If somebody comes to me and says, write me a
song about how sunsets are pretty, I'll say, hey, that's
a little trite, but be give me the money. That's
my choice as a creative person. But a web designer,
where does that fall? So it's an interesting question. Uh
fifty nine, it's a violation of the web designer's rights. Again,
very very close. Not surprisingly, only thirty four percent of
(07:07):
Democrats think that violates the owner's right to free speech.
Fifty four percent of independence sixty six percent of Republicans.
How about making accommodations for workers' religious practices, like they
don't want to work on Sunday. That's another fifty to
fifty things. The Supreme Court's gonna releash on that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So they didn't take into account, like on the cake thing,
the fact that it's not quite the same as I
don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but I think everybody
would agree. It's abhorrent. The idea that anybody couldn't stay
at a hotel for some reason because you're black, because
you're gay, because or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
But the freaking hi that put a dollar in the
square jar, dollar in the squear jar.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Is like a long shoreman.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No self discipline. But the idea of a I don't
want to make a cake for a gay couple, Oh,
I screw you, you bigot. I'm going to a different
story where they will make me a cake.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Why can't we just do it that way? Yeah? I
get it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
A creative expression is speech, and you can't compel speech.
But you know, where do you draw the line? It's
an interesting question. I'll absolutely grant that there's a voting
maps case. Oh, that one's already been decided. Sorry, let's see.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, that'll do.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So those are the big ones coming up, religious employees,
free speech, gay rights, etcetera, student loans.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh, oh, you know what, I skipped one.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sorry, a big one state legislatures and federal elections. The
court may decide whether state legislatures have largely unchecked power
to set rules for federal elections, or if state courts
can step in and say, hey, legislature, you overstepped your bounds.
You're violating your constitutional authority, or whether that has to
go to federal courts. So it's kind of a technical
(09:00):
question that lawyers would know a hell of a lot
more than I do about.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But that's one of the other biggies.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, the affirmative action is the biggest one, right because
it's believed by a lot of lawyers that I've listened
to that if they make this decision about universities, that
is going to have tentacles going out into all kinds
of different areas of the world, business and that sort
of stuff around this whole affirmative action idea quote a
system thingy that we've been doing for quite a few
decades in America.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I would agree that's huge. The student loan thing
is huge in the American consciousness because everybody's been talking
about it. I think the state legislature and federal elections
thing is really really important because if they say nope,
state courts cannot exercise oversight, I think you're going to
see states both left and right go off the deep
end elections wise.
The Supreme Court is getting toward the end of June,
and that is traditionally where they unleash some of their
earth shaking decisions and then yeat out of town. As
my youngsters might say, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's what my kids say too. Yeah, so the Supreme
Court justice is really controversial things they say, and gay
people can get married, and then they put on a
disguise and jump in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
A car and drive off.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
They're already at sixty miles per hour when they throw
the decision out the window as they get on the
interstand and Roe versus Wags no longer a thing, and
they jump in a car off they go right exactly.
So anyway, we're to that point in the year, and
a couple of things are worth mentioning. There's some big
undecided cases, including affirmative action with a race conscious admission
(00:46):
policies at Harvard, which is private and the University of
North Carolina, which is public, violate the Constitution or federal
civil rights laws.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And interestingly, even the liberal.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
New York Times, well, actually, no, I'm sorry, they're praying
something from Scotus Pole, which pulls people about Supreme Court
cases of people's attitudes.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
They point out that pole is a terrible term. It is.
It sounds dirty. It's not, but it sounds dirty.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, where the public stands on this, Private colleges and
universities should not be able to use race as a
factor in admissions.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Seventy percent of Americans say that.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Because that's racism, right, because it sounds awful to do that,
and on a purely utilitarian basis, on an outcome focused basis,
if there are inequities in education, black kids haven't gotten
a fair shake, the time to address that is in
elementary school and remedial programs and get them up to
(01:51):
speed so they can perform in universities.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Whether elite or you know, the regular kind, so called elite.
I hate that term. Shoving them into Harvard unprepared is
an idiotic way to remedy the problem. Anyway, moving along,
even fifty eight percent of Democrats say it should not
be a thing. Among independents it's seventy two percent. Republicans
(02:17):
seventy eight percent.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I did not know that. It is practically uncontroversial.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
If they, if they, If the Supreme Court does this,
what is it gonna What is it going to do
to the makeup of universities, mostly because I keep thinking
of Larry Summers when he was president of Harvard, looking
out the window and saying, we still have almost entirely
(02:44):
white kids here, even after all the various different things
they'd done. So is it are you going to change
up the makeup much of these elite universities.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well maybe he's too far up in his ivory tower
to recognize that those quote unquote white people were Asians
or a.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well that's w I was wondered.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Our campus is going to be all Asian in Indian
Americans maybe more so.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But here's here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The university system, as you know, is absolutely packed with
activist progressives. And what they've done is they've gone to
away from test scores even GPAs in some cases, and
they rely on your personal essay, your life story. Now
we're not using race or anything, but it happens that
(03:32):
everybody who wrote an essay saying as a black person,
I blah blah blah got in disproportional numbers to you know,
Hispanic people for instance, or Asians or whatever. So they
have ways to twist the process that are very difficult
to undo through the courts. I'm annoyed by the entire
notion of elite universities. And I never worry about the
(03:53):
makeup of their campuses at all. By the way, it's
not a front burner issue for me.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So I'm going to give you this specific wording of
this question. It's about the student loans case, because that's
another the student loan forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I didn't know that was in front of the Supreme
Court and that could get decided. Are they going to
finally say, no, you don't get to wipe out agreements
that people made financial agreements. What are they going to say?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, now you could call me a hypocrite, I suppose
because I took the first poll at face value. This
one I'm going to point out, I think there is
a real lack of understanding among common people what the
issue is here, and Jack just stated part of it.
And can the executive branch just summarily dismiss debts without
any legislation or abuse the hell out of the interpretation
(04:38):
of previous legislation to the point that it's unrecognizable. We're
talking about the Heroes Act for the young men and
women in Afghanistans, so they wouldn't be evicted itself twenty
some years ago, right, exactly, so did the Biden administration
overstep its authority with its debt forgiveness plan. It's fifty
to fifty in America idiots. Only twenty seven percent of
(05:01):
Democrats think he did fifty three percent of independence due
and seventy two percent of Republicans. I think, give them,
give me forty five seconds to explain some of the
constitutional issues, and I think you'd see those numbers swayed completely.
Then another big case, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, does it have anything to do though, with the
fact that I think a lot more Democrats are in
college or went to college, or have student loans. I mean,
if the Republican Party is becoming the party of the
working class, it's not shocking to me that the working
class is not interested in paying the student loan debt
of the college party, and that the college you don't.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Think plumbing apprentices should be paying for social degrees.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And I think it's not surprising to me that the
college party thinks that that guy over there should pay
my student loan debt.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, you've reduced it to its essence there, And I
think you're absolutely right about the web designer who objects
to same sex marriage being compelled to design a website
for a gay wedding.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It does such love.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And this gets into that because I've I've listened to
some lawyers talk about this. This gets complicated in how
it is the same or different than making a cake
for somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right, is it an art or is it simply providing
a commodity service like a hotel room is a commodity.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So you can't say no, gay people stay in my
hotel room.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Right, But you can't go to me and say, you're
a songwriter, I'm gonna pay you to write a song
in praise of gender affirming care for children, for instance.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If somebody comes to me and says, write me a
song about how sunsets are pretty, I'll say, hey, that's
a little trite, but be give me the money. That's
my choice as a creative person. But a web designer,
where does that fall? So it's an interesting question. Uh
fifty nine, it's a violation of the web designer's rights. Again,
very very close. Not surprisingly, only thirty four percent of
(07:07):
Democrats think that violates the owner's right to free speech.
Fifty four percent of independence sixty six percent of Republicans.
How about making accommodations for workers' religious practices, like they
don't want to work on Sunday. That's another fifty to
fifty things. The Supreme Court's gonna releash on that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So they didn't take into account, like on the cake thing,
the fact that it's not quite the same as I
don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but I think everybody
would agree. It's abhorrent. The idea that anybody couldn't stay
at a hotel for some reason because you're black, because
you're gay, because or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
But the freaking hi that put a dollar in the
square jar, dollar in the squear jar.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Is like a long shoreman.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No self discipline. But the idea of a I don't
want to make a cake for a gay couple, Oh,
I screw you, you bigot. I'm going to a different
story where they will make me a cake.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Why can't we just do it that way? Yeah? I
get it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
A creative expression is speech, and you can't compel speech.
But you know, where do you draw the line? It's
an interesting question. I'll absolutely grant that there's a voting
maps case. Oh, that one's already been decided. Sorry, let's see.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, that'll do.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So those are the big ones coming up, religious employees,
free speech, gay rights, etcetera, student loans.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh, oh, you know what, I skipped one.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sorry, a big one state legislatures and federal elections. The
court may decide whether state legislatures have largely unchecked power
to set rules for federal elections, or if state courts
can step in and say, hey, legislature, you overstepped your bounds.
You're violating your constitutional authority, or whether that has to
go to federal courts. So it's kind of a technical
(09:00):
question that lawyers would know a hell of a lot
more than I do about.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But that's one of the other biggies.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, the affirmative action is the biggest one, right because
it's believed by a lot of lawyers that I've listened
to that if they make this decision about universities, that
is going to have tentacles going out into all kinds
of different areas of the world, business and that sort
of stuff around this whole affirmative action idea quote a
system thingy that we've been doing for quite a few
decades in America.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I would agree that's huge. The student loan thing
is huge in the American consciousness because everybody's been talking
about it. I think the state legislature and federal elections
thing is really really important because if they say nope,
state courts cannot exercise oversight, I think you're going to
see states both left and right go off the deep
end elections wise.
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