Debating The Facts pt 2

A listeneres new boyfriend wants her to stop selling her body

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Actually in the Jamie Morning Show with DJ FOURGN and
Santi WHNN.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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you need to Know on Boston's number one for hip
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Friday, May sixteenth, and I woke up with a heartbeat.
It's exciting after the news of JT earlier in this week.
We could have just shut it down, packed our bags,
been on a beach somewhere, but we didn't because we're
the Celtics and we have fight left in us unless
you're asking. Santi Diolio and Jalen Brown gets and.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
He's like, yeah, you know, people might have counted us out,
but don't do it.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah, I know it's easy to kind of write things off.
Obviously unfortunate what happened in JT, but we still got
basketball to be played. You know, I believe in this group,
So you know, don't count us out just yet.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
You heard that, did you hear it?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
But it's gonna be very very hard to win, Like, yeah, yeah,
and that may be. Yeah, I think we got it, okay,
and it's the Knicks. I think we got the Knicks.
And then after four more to.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Well, you know what with that trash attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, it's one game at a time. Ask Joe Missoula.
I promise you that he's telling those guys over and over.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's just one game at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
One man does not make a team. I think we
got a dope team and we're gonna go. We're gonna
do it. I feel it. I feel it. I think
we're gonna do it. Gonna be tough if they win
this one. Next it's over for the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Tonight on the road. They're in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
The Knicks fans have been crazy aggressive, celebrity row, all
of the things. Can the Celts find the luck of
the guy Irish one more time and bring it back
home for a game seven? We will see eight o'clock
tip tonight in n y C. We're gonna stay there
for the Diddy trial. Cassie was on the cross for
Were you able to grab that?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Okay? We have it. So a couple things here with
this case.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Because we're not allowed inside, we're essentially getting all of
our information from the media that's allowed in there. We're
not allowed to see anything, So there's media in there.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
We were chatting yesterday what the cross was gonna look
like for and we assumed that they were going to
try to prove that she in fact was willing to
do these freak offs. And here's a court insider, a
man in the media that has been sitting in and
watching this cross examination of Cassie Ventura.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
The way that the cross examination is going is really
really helping the defense, and it's the smartest way to
do it. A lot of the questions are very soft handed,
get her to admit that they were swingers, that she
watched him have sex with women, that she watched him
do certain things. So it starts to undermine and undercut

(02:39):
what the government is trying to do here. And it
really puts an exclamation mark on where is the line
here where she didn't enjoy things, where she did enjoy
things where he would have known that what he was
doing was against her will, the drugs that were being taken,
the sex that she was arranging for herself. And I

(03:00):
think that, like I said before, this is setting the
tone for how the defense is going to keep going.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
In this case.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Their job is to try to blur these lines right between.
But here are your text messages. You're saying you you
know you're asking for the next freak off, but then
you said that you didn't want to go to them.
She is saying, well, yeah, they all occurred within a
context of manipulation and control. It got to the point
where she was like uncomfortable reading her messages, so the
lawyers kind of read them to her and she was

(03:27):
laughing because she felt uncomfortable, and it was, you know,
it was kind of exactly what we thought would happen,
that they would try to prove that these were consensual
and something she asked for and wanted, not something she
was forced to do.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do you guys believe that she she did not like
any of the freak colls.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, I don't believe that, because I mean, yeah, but
do I think they got out of control to the
point where she I mean, the uti is, the sore is,
the beatings, all of those things, like you can't really
I mean, the poor girl was taking antibiotics for utus.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
They weren't working anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's how forty I mean, maybe she wanted a little like,
you know, two hour freak off here and there, but
I don't know if she wanted it for forty eight hours.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I'm not Cassie though.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
So, and that's the point, right, we don't really know
what her mind might be. You know, you could always
all get the fact that here goes a young, young
female from Connecticut who was showered with love by this
powerful guy from New York and she was just drunk
in love with this guy and was like, damn, like
this is this is a different kind of life. Like
this guy showing me different kind of things and you
know he's he's opening me up, you know, to a

(04:29):
different lifestyle again. Swingers. They talking about that they could
have been swingers and all this other kind of things.
It's hard to hear her say. And I was telling
yesterday when she spoke on the standing, she said, Yo,
he came in, he assaulted me after I tried to
break up with him, or we had of our last dinner,
and then the next day, a couple of days later,
we linked up again and she said it was a
good night and we had sex. And then they were like, well,

(04:50):
how did you go from getting assaulted and then wanted
to go have sex again. A mental might have been
in a different spot. But I feel like she kind
of invited some of these things to her, not invited
these things to herself, but she liked the freako. She
was a freak in the same sense. Wide now became
more than that and did he started like putting hands
on her and all these kind of things. That's the way.
It's like, nah, bro, you're taking it too far, Like

(05:10):
you get too comfortable.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
And we talk a lot about reasonable doubt in the
Karen Reid case, and that's what this defense is trying
to create here.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Cassie is literally ready to pop.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So the judge told both sides earlier in this week,
you have one week with her, and you know, who
knows if she will last the week because she might
have the baby.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
But you have a week. So Cassie is pretty much done.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
She'll wrap up her testimony today and Don Richard is
up next of Dannity Caine. Don Richard, if you remember,
filed a suit against Diddy in twenty twenty four, claiming
he groped her, assaulted her, and imprisoned her. Plus she
says she witnessed a ton of abuse on Cassie.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Did she just work for him or did they date
for like a little bit cool?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Don? Yeah, I never knew them to date.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I think it was I think there was a rumor
that they were together. I think, yeah, I did not,
and he favored her because she's from Danny Kayne. Yeah,
I think he favored her the most out of everything.
But she was also down to be like, listen, I
don't want to break up the group. I'm down to
do whatever. Let's go walk for cheesecake. I'm cool. And
I think he had an affection to us. So there
was a rum up but it was never confirmed. Maybe
she confirms it on the sand.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Speaking of rumors, there's also a rumor after Down Richard
would be Aubryo day fireworks.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Are just got to go there and not be too
like I told you so I know you know what
I mean, because he's gonna look so hell of. But
she didn't tell us, though she did, she did like
a long time.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Check my tweets from two.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
We also heard from a spokesperson that's linked with Justin
Bieber because there's there's remember there's that conversation of did
he groomed Justin Bieber? And finally we heard from his
his camp. They said, although Justin is not among Shawancomb's victims,
there are individuals who are genuinely harmed by him. So
shifting focus away from that reality distracts from the justice

(06:50):
these victims rightfully deserve. So j Biebes is like, no, no, no, no, did.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Not happen to me that he wants that.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
He wants to say, Okay, moving on, if you need
a new bikini, you gonna hook Joanna Bis.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Okay, Well, megus down. I'm sure she has one piece
of a nice.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know I'm saying in this collection, meg this value
probably has a nice little one piece. But she's launching
her new line of hawk Girl swimwear. Okay, there we
have it. It's starting May nineteenth, which is next week.
It's called the Hawkerel Summer Collection. It's going to be
available at five hundred Walmart stores across the country. She said,
everybody knows I love being here Walmart. Okay, yeah, this

(07:34):
this one is a little strange because she says, everybody
knows I love.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Being near a pool or a beach. You know, we
saw it.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Was all that, so I finally decided to turn my
passion into a business and create my own swimwear brand.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
It was only right that we kick off hot Girl
Summer with this launch and.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Provide hotties of all body types with the official Hot
Girl uniform. I used to shop at Walmart growing up,
so it's a full circle moment. I have my own
line available at Walmart, and I am so grateful for
their support. So here's what we got. Bikinis, mono kinis
which is okay? One piecers cover ups. We got purple.
What color do you think you could see Joanne in purple? Gold, black,

(08:10):
orange or pink?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I would have to say black.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Eighteen piece collection affordable from sixteen to the most expensive
being twenty eight bucks.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
There you abby Oho, there gets for the people.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Here's the thing she does with bikinis in the hot
tub or any of those cheeky ones, because I would
like to see my wife with the cheeks.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
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(08:46):
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Speaker 8 (08:49):
Good luck, come.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
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Speaker 2 (08:54):
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Speaker 3 (09:00):
Hi everybody, good morning, Happy Friday. By the way, cheers
to the freaking weekend. You made it six one seven
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us they what up? Tell us a story, tell us
what you got planned this weekend? Anything you want. It's
all about you. Amanda in Fall Rivers kicking it off

(09:20):
with a very interesting question, So go ahead and ask
your question.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
What do you got going on?

Speaker 9 (09:29):
Okay, So, if you do dates for a living, like
that's how you get money, that's your income, is that
considered cheating on your boyfriend? If you look at it
like it's a job, it's.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
A transaction in a sense. But basically what you're asking
is if you're like a yeah, and escorts. If you're
an escort but you're also dating somebody, are you essentially
cheating on your partner by working?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Just you hard work.

Speaker 9 (09:59):
No, it's special, especial, but I get no pleasure from it,
Like I just get money. I don't kiss them.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
I don't know you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Here's the big question.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
I'm personal, like I just do it for money.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
When you meet whoever it is that you mean, are
you letting them know that this is what you do
on the side.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
I post online, you post, you post online?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
What like that? That that's what you do for work? Yeah?
Have you actually set this man down and said, hey, yo,
this is what I do.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
You knew what I was doing when he met me.
That's how he met me.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
He was.

Speaker 9 (10:37):
Because he doesn't want me to do it. I keep
telling me I can't do it or he's not going
to be with me, but that's how he met me.
That's what he I was doing when I met him,
not getting no money. But he's not taking care of
me the way that I need to be taken care of.
So if he's not going to provide me with the
money that I was making, then he can't tell me
I can't do it. And if he thinks I'm gonna
sit over here with nothing.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
Amanda, would you be okay with being called the prostitute
because that's essentially what it is, and I don't think
you want that. And also, if I'm dating a person,
I don't want my wife or something to go out
and like get miney to go on dates.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
No, would you be okay with that?

Speaker 9 (11:11):
Yeah? What if I don't have a choice right now?

Speaker 11 (11:14):
Though?

Speaker 8 (11:14):
Like what if that's all.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
I can do at the moment.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, And here's the thing. Amanda is saying that
this dude was one of her clients in essence, right, so.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
He was.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
Yeah, that's how I met him.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So for me, it's kind of hypocritical that he's asking
you to stop. Listen, get your bag.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Both he asks you to stop, and he says, I,
you know, whatever financial loss you take, I will make
sure that I cover it. But it doesn't seem like
he's saying that to you. He's saying you have to stop.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
He is saying that, but he's not actually doing.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It because you're still working, right.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
But no, he's a man who's he's a man who
fell in love and doesn't want his girl out here pee.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Because here's the thing we we we we kind of
judging her for being a prostitute in essence, but he's
a John. He still pay for John's Richard Gare. She's Julia. Wow,
he's just as bad.

Speaker 10 (12:08):
He met, he.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Kissed the he called me and picked me up.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
I went to his house. My my kid's father got
arrested and I ended up staying at that of the
kid that picked me up. I ended up staying with
him and living with him for three months, and then
we became you know, we got you know, like, I'm
not trying.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
To judge, but do you need like a life coach?

Speaker 9 (12:31):
Yeah, because I feel like I can help you.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
It doesn't sound like you're happy in this whole situation.
Not positive.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
And how Amanda, are you just going on dates with
these guys or are you or is no?

Speaker 9 (12:43):
They just come and just give me memurny do what
they gotta doing.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
She finished out sentence.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Okay, but like when they come and they do what
they do and then they leave, is I just gonna
Are sexuals involved?

Speaker 8 (12:56):
Obviously obvious to me, Amanda.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm not a prostitute, so I don't know what the
rules are because there's escorts and then there's different things. Okay,
I you know, I get why your man wouldn't want
you to do this, but again, if he knew this
was your field before you started dating, and you know
he can't help out with the other things.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Then you know it is he said, are you happy
this job?

Speaker 9 (13:19):
When I make this money?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Okay? Does this job fulfill you? Are you happy with
your life?

Speaker 9 (13:24):
I mean, I'm happy with the money I make.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
And that's all that's important to you pretty much? All right.
That's one thing I can tell from this conversation, Amanda.
You got that good good. I definitely do whatever he
wants to lock it down for himself. You don't want
nobody else giving you no money for that?

Speaker 8 (13:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I like you, Aman, I keep doing your things.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Like you find peace and happiness.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Goodbye, Amanda, thank you, thanks for this.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was that's the worst kind of a human being though,
Like if I meet you at a strip club, I
can't then tell you to stop. This is true, Like
it doesn't make sense then and you're the and you're
my client, like I'm meeting I know, but you know.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
How it is that you fall in love and you're like,
that's mine, that's my true you know.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
And that's cool. But you can't ask people to stop
their livelihood and how they choose to live their life
when you met them and participated and contributing to that
that's hypocritical, that's tough. She didn't sound sweet like. And
that's court though. That's the thing. I don't he's mad
because he's he's It wasn't this demand.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
It wasn't giving me. Julia Robins wipes. I wasn't getting that, No,
I was. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I don't think Richard gear was climbing up the fire
escape see her. I don't see that happening. Uh six
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(14:56):
new every day. Shout out the Fall River. Yeah, Fall River,
Fall River.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Stacey's in Boston, Hi, Stacy, good morning.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
Good morning.

Speaker 11 (15:05):
How are you guys.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
We're good. Listen. I appreciate people.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Calling to tell us about the scamming stories, because I
think we all have to stay vigilant, keep our head
on a swivel.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
You got scammed by movers.

Speaker 11 (15:20):
It's it's it baffled me to this day. Yeah, it
happened on Sunday, Mother's Day. I had to move. I
was like, I hate moving, but I'm doing it. It's
Mother's day. Let's do this.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
I gotta mover.

Speaker 11 (15:33):
Probably a couple of days before the date everything is settled,
I give my down payment. Day came in those attle
misunderstanding the press one up. I'm like, let's do it.
I just wanted to be over. Forty five minutes into
the work when they started that one, twenty one of
the workers came to be seeing management is actually need
to pay ahead, pay the full them out before. I'm like, no,

(15:53):
I find a contract that said I will pay out
my drop off location right. Oh no. It was a
well back and forth. No, we have to do it now.
If not with going to cancel, I'm like, okay, cancel it.
When I see that they were canceling half of my
living room and my kitchen was already loaded. When I
see a canceling it, I felt bad for the workers

(16:14):
and I'm like, okay, okay. And it's for him to
turn on to say, well, we're not working with you,
or you ask so many questions and this like my
mother say yes.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
You asked too many questions. You're moving my life right now.
You're moving all of my belongings. I could ask a
thousand questions what happened that?

Speaker 8 (16:36):
No, they put anything back into the house.

Speaker 11 (16:38):
Everything went back to the house. My heliting was a
like a hot mess. I have twins. My fridge is
already ampty because I put everything that I had in
my fridge and the new fridge it at the new Kings.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh my god, did you get all your money back
or they kept the money?

Speaker 11 (16:54):
No, I haven't got my deposit back. And I'm like,
you guys have to give you my deposit back and
make a pathway in the living room. I student front
of this struck. They had to call the police. I
have a whole police support. I'm calling them into court.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's crazy, now, that's that's not I mean, by the way,
I feel like most moving companies. They asked for the
final payment. Once the job is done, you pay half upfront.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
A lot of them.

Speaker 11 (17:21):
The rate was one hundred and fifty nine dollars an
hour for me to pay them my head for eight hours.
If they do less, they'll do they'll give me a rething.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
I'm like, no, I'm not gonna that.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Doesn't work like that. I've never heard.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I've moved many times I've never heard it.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
Yes, what their name is? Their name is Boston Best
Rate Movers.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
It's like Worst Rate.

Speaker 11 (17:42):
Wor's customer service ruined my mother's day, type of baby.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, did you find new movers? And are we all
settled in?

Speaker 11 (17:51):
No, me and my husband and a couple of friends.
I get out last night. I went to sleep at
four am. Right now, I'm on my way to work
to finalize the way I was doing with Local twenty six,
which is awesome. So yeah, all right, well we're making
it happen.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
We're gonna make it happen. We're on the up and up.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
Mom.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I know that was like a terrible mother's day, but
you know we could. We'll just pretend it's next weekend
or something you can celebrate.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
Then definitely, all right, thank you guys.

Speaker 11 (18:19):
You guys are awesome. I love go wake your ass up.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Max.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
You guys like my with my coffee every morning.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Oh I love that. Thanks, Dace, appreciate Chuck. Yeah, I've
never heard it be done like that, but you have.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Some No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
She said they had to make a pathway through the
living room, and all I could pick her that she's
a hoarder and they were like, listen, we are moving this.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I don't think that's what the case is.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
What I had half the stuff in the truck.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
But yeah, no, I mean I I just you pay
half upfront because you have to hold them and they
have to mark the date and then yeah, once the
everything is delivered put back together.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Did she said she got her money back.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
She has not got her to buy it back yet.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
She might have dodged the bullet.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's kind of crazy for them to say forward for
eight hours. If we don't use it, we'll give you
the money back.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like no, which I think people just got money just
sending the rest.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's just weird, like that's not that's just strange. I
also don't know what she was then saying that she
was doing going to Local twenty six.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think she's doing something with them.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I'm you know where my mind is. It's still
in Fall River with Amanda Dashy and the.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Morning Show with DJ Foreign It's staked morning.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
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Speaker 4 (19:29):
Hi, everybody, good morning.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it
a million times more.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I think we could get an actual ring.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Camera video of John O'Keefe being drug from thirty fourth
Verie or the opposite. We could get an actual ring
camera footage of Karen Reid hitting John O'Keeffe, and Nick
Roco would be able to swing it. Nick Rocco should
be a lawyer by the end of this. He you
were not in court all week because you know what
he was doing foreign he was physically in.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Debt Ham doing live Court TV.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's our guy. You're mister TV man. Now, thank you
for not being too big for your friends here.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Okay, no, never, never that.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
So what was the vibe with Court TV? How is
everybody feeling?

Speaker 10 (20:18):
So?

Speaker 8 (20:18):
I mean usually when I go on Court TV, it's
it's always, uh, you know, either two against one or
three against one. But this time Vinnie Politan is in
debt him that he's usually down in Atlanta, Georgia. So
he came up for the week and we've been filming
every night eight o'clock and nine o'clock down at the
TLC studio in Debt Hum doing doing debating this case

(20:42):
in person. It is a lot easier than doing it
in bubbles on a on a con because you can
you know, you can kind of get the vibe, you
can see how people are reacting. And this is in
front of a live studio audience too, so you have
people asking questions, see you live And I would say,
you know, ninety percent of the people that are showing
up to these live events are all in support of

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Karen Reid.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I was going to ask that, but obviously it doesn't
make for good TV if we're all just holding hands
and saying kumbaya and saying she was framed. There has
to be somebody in there that's like on Nick.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, I mean, you definitely have people on the panel
who believe that, you know, Karen Reid struck John with
the vehicle, But as far as the people showing up
to the to the audience, it's majority of supporters.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, okay, Well, let's talk this week in court.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
We had let's just start with like the spectacles of
the week, because we had a lot of things happen.
First and foremost, we skipped a day because we did
end up finding out via the news that Karen was sick,
not doing well. She took the day off, but she
was in court the next day seemingly fine. So it's
you know, good that Karen's on the up and up.
We also had the clip of Bev Cononi potentially saying

(22:00):
a certain word that we can't say on the radio
that started with a s s.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I'm gonna play the clip.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I need to be heard at the sidebar, I will
see you.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
What do you take from that, Nick, I mean, are
they it never got brought up again.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
It happened and it kind of went away.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah. I mean, she percent absolutely does not like this
defense team. You can even tell when specific lawyers ask
her sidebar, she's like, not right now, or you know,
we'll we'll do it later. But when the prosecution asks
for anything, she's all here, she's she's welcoming it. Just
it just shows more to her bias that she doesn't

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like this team.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I do feel like, you know, certain people on the defense,
not necessarily Alan Jackson, because I feel like Alan works
up to getting an attitude, but UNLESSI sometimes pops up
there and.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
He's like, good morning, So I have a question.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's like, sir, I mean, give us a sec I mean,
there's definitely animosity happening in that world.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
So bab ALESSI up until the other day has only
asked the two sidebars, and Judge Beverly Canoni had said, Okay,
this is the last time you're going you know, you're
coming up here, so you know, when he went up there,
obviously he was not happy about that. And whatever was
said at sidebar made Judge Bev come back to the
jury and apologize for the way that she, you know,

(23:25):
was talking to Bob Olessi. So whatever was set at sidebar,
he wasn't happy about it because he probably made this point.
I've only asked this whole trial. I've only asked the
two sidebars, and you're telling you this is my last one.
You can't do that. You can have as many sidebars as
you want. And he personally doesn't like doing it, because
if I was a jury member, I would feel the
same way, like if you keep going a sidebar, like

(23:47):
what are you hiding from us? Why do you guys
keep going up there? Like what is what are you
guys talking about?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, I actually have a journ about it like that,
But you're right, it's like why do you you know?
And by the way, I don't know if this case
is different than others. It's not like I'm watching them
all the time, but I mean, we're breaking records though here.
Sometimes court will start at nine oh one and by
nine oh one thirty we're already in a sidebar. It's
just sidebar central.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
I mean four nine thirty. The judge comes in, She's like, ah,
you guys want to see me at sidebar.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Get this out of the way. For the love of God,
all right, let's talk witnesses on the stand.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I I you know, I want to start with John
O'Keeffe's niece because you know, obviously we weren't allowed to
see the testimony, but then the transcripts came out, and
I find this testimony to be very interesting, Nick, because
if we think about it, John o'keef's niece was the
first person to come in contact with Karen after you know,
she pulled away with whatever happened.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
She feels away, She goes home, she goes to sleep,
she wakes up John, it's not there. They were the
first people to kind of have any communication.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And the niece says, and she has stand firm on
that Karen was acting erratic.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
She was saying things like, could I have hit him?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Did I hit him? Did he get hit by a plow?
And you know, she also told her to call Jen McCabe.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
I she can't be lying, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I don't want to believe that she'd be lying in
part of this big cover up. I do believe that
in those first few moments Karen may have been so
frantic and so so just out of her mind that
she may have said those things. And I feel like
that testimony is powerful.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
What are your.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Thoughts, So let's not forget. I mean, she was fourteen
years old when when this incident happened around that age,
so you know, she's she's kind of had three years
of being around you know, the people who believe that
Karen REI did this. So to get the testimony from her,

(25:47):
I would take it with kind of like with a
grain of shelt, because you don't know, you know, as
a young child is developing, you don't know what is
being told to her about Karen read throughout the past
three years. But also you know, her testimony may have
been powerful, but pitchers also tell a story as well.
And you know there are pitches out there where you know,
Karen is with them, doing things with them, taking them shopping.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
So and I believe and I believe she did say that.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
I believe she did say that Karen was a major,
you know, participant in her life and they did things
like that, they went out to eat, they went shopping.
But she also detailed and I don't feel like, you know,
you're gonna fight this by any means, because I feel
like we've had detailed conversations about this. Karen and John
O'Keeffe did not have a healthy relationship. And I think
when this first came out, we were expected to believe

(26:34):
that this happy couple that have been together with two years, like.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
How could this positive have? They weren't good. I mean,
for God's sake, she was hugging up with Brian Higgins
a week before.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
They were toxic, and you know, I wasn't shocked when
I heard the niece say that and kind of detail
incidents where they were fighting.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
And such like. They didn't have this perfect relationship.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
No, I think I think at this point, towards the
end of the relationship, it would have been better if
they had just gone their separate ways. But obviously that
you know, there was still something there. If John O'Keefe,
you know, was like, hey, you're coming out with us
tonight and vice versa. Karen was still trying to hang around,
so there was clearly still some connection there. It may

(27:15):
just not have been, you know, the best situation at
the time for them to be together. So as far
as keeping the relationship together, I think it was it
was mutual in the sense of maybe they both wanted
to be together, but they just couldn't be together.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
They just couldn't figure it out. All right.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Let's before we get to the medical examiner, I do
want to talk about that Brian Higgins footage at the
Canton Police Department, because I think that was a big moment,
you know, never forget. The day after the incident, in
the hours of the morning, Brian Higgins said he went
to the Canton Police Department to quote, move his car

(27:55):
from the plow drivers.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Correct, that was what he said.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
So he yeah, he claims he went to the Canton
Police Department to move vehicles. In his first testimony, he
claimed he was actually he was the first one to
arrive at thirty four five year Road from leaving the
Waterfall bar because he said that while no kas were
in the driveway, he put his plow down and took
some snow out of the driveway. Even though at that
point there was less than a half an inch of

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snow on the ground, so we know he gets there
around midnight. He claims that he left Brian Albert home
shortly after that because he only had beer and he
didn't have any jameson, so he leaves shortly after I
think I believe he said around twelve forty five. We
see him arrive at the Campton Police Department around one
twenty seven in the morning. The Canton Police Department is

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about five minutes down the road from the Albert home.
So from twelve forty five to one twenty seven, where
was he Because he was not at the Campton Police department,
so he either went for a joy ride or he
was still at the Albert home. Now we see him
arrive at one twenty seven. He goes inside, He goes
into a room inside the police department. He goes back

(29:03):
outside at one thirty six. At this point, he's now
on his cell phone making either a call or he's
listening to something. He goes around to his vehicle, he
opens another vehicle, he takes something out of that vehicle,
kind of shuffles around the pocket lot, but we don't
see him on camera. Really moving any vehicles. So that
was his alibi as to why he went back to

(29:25):
the Campton Police Department. We don't know exactly what he
did when he went there or what he got when
he went there, but during his testimony he says, I
was moving cars. I'm sure it's on video, and unfortunately
for him, it really wasn't on video.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well it was something was on video, but it wasn't that.
I never saw a market moved.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
And then here's another thing. So he claims he gets
back to West Roxbury by one five in the morning.
He cannot go from Canton pedia at one thirty six
and get home by one forty five in the morning
and sleeping by around you know, I think he said
around like when he made that butt dial back to
Brian Albert, he said he was sleeping at that point, right.
I highly doubt that.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Listen, there's some suss things with Brian Higgins. I don't
think anybody is going to argue that or take away
from that. But I also feel like there is a
part of this that somebody could say, well, yeah, Brian
Higgins had some covering up to do because he was
afraid that this affair he was having with Karen Reid
was going to get out, and he was worried about
that because now we have a fallen officer, a fallen

(30:27):
brother who you know, he's going to have to act
like he cared so much about when in reality he
was hooking up with his girlfriend.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Well, let me ask you this, then, if you were
just hooking up with a girl, and you were trying
to cover up that you were hooking up with a
girl when the state please come to you, would you
now have an interview at your lawyer's office with your
lawyer president if you were only trying to cover up
a hookup?

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I mean, yeah, that list.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
Every single witness has a lawyer in this case. Yeah,
every single one of them.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, No, I get it.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
All right, Let's talk medical examiner, because she was on
stand yesterday and I feel like a lot of people,
like I said earlier, the Free Caaren readers were like
it was a win for us, you know. Irene Scordibello
basically said that John O'Keeffe died of blunt impact injuries
to the head and hypothermia. Now, she was asked over
and over like, can you conclusively say with one hundred

(31:24):
percent certainty that John died this way, John died that way,
and it didn't seem like she could pointing to either side.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
No, and she she testified pretty much the same exact
way she testified before, and that was that the manner
of death is undetermined. She also stated that when she
was looking at John O'Keefe's body, there is no impact site,
meaning she checks from the waist down, you know, the legs,
no broken bones, no bruises on the body. And this

(31:57):
medical examiner was damning to the common law theory because
they're trying to claim that John o'keep got struck by
a vehicle, but then you have the medical examine or
testifying that this is not These are not common injuries
to somebody being struck by a vehicle, but they're also.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Not common injuries to somebody being beat to death either.
She wouldn't confirm that.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
Either, right because you ultimately can't say what caused that
in the back of his head, right because realistically anything
could cause that getting hit in the back of the head,
falling down and hitting your head. But one of the
biggest things that stand out is there's no grass or
dirt on his body. There's none in his wound. If

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he fell back and hit his head on the frozen
ground that the Commonwealth is claiming there would have been
some type of remnant of something in his hair on
his cut because his hat went flying off his head.
So it's not like the hat protected any dirt from
getting in his cut. So something caused.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
That was the hat put there.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
I mean that my point. The Commonwealth is saying the hat.
You know, after John o'keeff gets struck, his hat goes flying,
his shoe falls off, his arm looks like it got
mauled by a dog, but it was really tail light.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:19):
The medical examiner also was was uh when she was
doing the autopsy. Officer Keith and and form a troop
of Proctor were there while she was doing this autopsy,
and in his text message exchanged with us with the
other officers, they were basically telling Michael Procter, Wow, you
couldn't get her to change it to a homicide, like

(33:40):
you should have had me do it. And then he's
calling her a whack job and you know so so
apparently when Michael Proctor doesn't like when women go against him,
their they're whack jobs and the this.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
And the that.

Speaker 8 (33:52):
So yeah, it's she she was damning towards the Commonwealth
and and initially that why Hank Brennan also has another
not a medical examiner, but a neurosurgeon who works on
you know, who does a lot of brain surgeries. He's
going to have him testify because he knew that doctor

(34:13):
Scuody Bellow was going to really damage his case.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Beth is in Providence.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Beth has a question in regards to the medical examiner.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Beth, go ahead and ask your question. You're on Live
with Nick Rocco.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
Hey, good morning, Nick.

Speaker 10 (34:27):
Again.

Speaker 12 (34:27):
I'm gonna hug you when you figure it out. But
you focusing on what Brian Higgins was doing after he
left the house. You're looking at it from a lens
of a guy who doesn't have much game.

Speaker 13 (34:38):
Ran clearly has game with other people's women, and maybe
he was smashing some other Canton housewife, which is also why.

Speaker 8 (34:45):
He had to throw his phone out.

Speaker 13 (34:47):
What I'm saying is when it comes to the FK
FK are people is you always focus on some stupid
piece of information instead of time and evidence. And the
reason why Karen was.

Speaker 12 (35:02):
Out of court the other day one thousand.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
Percent is because he's feeling it.

Speaker 10 (35:06):
She knows that the timeline is so tight.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, best you're doing.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
You're doing exactly what you're saying Nick is doing and
that that has not been confirmed.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
But thank you for whatever your comment was there.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
So first and foremost, she's not feeling anything. That she
has the best defense team you could possibly ask for,
with more reasonable doubt than anybody could potentially bring on
a case. And when there's reasonable doubt, you have to
vote not guilty. But back to Brian Hagen's having game,
what grown man sends a text message saying can you

(35:38):
handle me? I want the real?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
I want the real I'm gonna vomit.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And by the way, if I have to hear his
text messages again when defense starts, there's I'm done.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
And he persistent, He's persistent on saying what do you want?
What do you want? I want the real deal?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
You're hot?

Speaker 8 (35:59):
Is you think looking your own man with no class?
Because anybody who says can you handle me, if you're
not eighteen years old, you've got some growing up to do.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, I stay with you on that neck.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
So and also you know it's not just focusing on
one specific thing. This is a third party culprit defense.
There are specific people that the defense team believes has
a hand in the murder of John o'keef. That's why
specific things are focused on specific people now. And you
want to but one last thing, you want to talk
about the timeline. The timeline does not add up because

(36:40):
you have a trigger event at twelve thirty one thirty
six and John o'keeth is using his cell phones at
twelve thirty two reading text messages and the medical examiner
said that that blow to the back of the head
was incapacitating him. And that's why Hank Brennan and Aperture
now want to change the time of the triggering event
Karen Rey's vehicle because their timeline does not think and

(37:03):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Get to that.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I also want to say, you know, just like the
people that are on the opposite aisle of this that
believe that Karen Rey did it, you know, you have
to understand, of course Nick is going, that's important to
you where Brian Higgins was when he says he was
doing something and he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Because you believe this is a cover up.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Those details matter to somebody who thinks that this is
a cover up. Beth Sandra is in Norwood. Sandra, you
know what, I thought this was very interesting too, because
the medical examiner was asked what kind of info she
was given before she did her autopsy.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
Good morning, Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Gg I asked,
I just have a question for Nick. Good morning. So
I'm not sure if you also during the live stream,
I was in one of the YouTube channels and the
Lives Women in the trial and when they asked the

(37:58):
doctor Scrdy Bellow as far as information that she might
have received in regards to I'm not sure if it
was like the events of what could she responded by
saying she got like initial information or there was like
an initial report that he went into house and there
was the party that he went to in a fire
broke out.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Thanks thanks for the Cassandra.

Speaker 8 (38:19):
On the redirect, Hank Brennan got up on the stand
and he said, did you know Caaren when you did
your autosy? Did you know? Karen said, I hit him,
I hit him, I hit him. Did you know that?
She called? Terry Robertson said John died. You might have
got hit by Applow. Did you know this? Did you
know that? And she said yes. The only thing she
said no to was about Jennifer McKay, the communication Karen

(38:44):
he had with Jennifer McKay. But other than that, everything
that Hank Brennan was hoping doctor Scordie Bellow did not
know about, she knew about, and she still could not
confirm that this was a homicide and that it was
an undetermined death because the the injuries to John's body
just don't add up to a vehicle strike. And one

(39:05):
last thing I will say is when people do call,
I would love to people to bring me facts and
not your opinions, because because the Commonwealth doesn't really have facts,
they're basing that Karen Reid is guilty based off other
people hearing things and an evidence that just doesn't make sense.

(39:26):
And the evidence that they have is forty pieces of
forty seven pieces of taille it scattered across a lawn.
That's all they have against her. And it's just it's
not damning enough. There's no smoking gun, and there's too
much reasonable doubt. So I would love a debate on
the facts, and I'll bring the facts of the Karen
Reid side.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I thought it to be.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Impactful, and I always use that word because I think
about being a juror. Yesterday, when doctor Scordy Bellow's testimony
was over, she was asked, did you know about Karen
saying I had?

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I had, Yes.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Did you know that people had said that John could
have potentially been hit by a car? Yes, And he
goes with knowing that you still couldn't with one hundred
percent certainty say that John O'Keeffe was hit by a car,
and she agreed she still could not say it, and
that was how court ended yesterday until and this is
the last thing I want to get with get to

(40:22):
you about, Nick, is there was a little back and
forth between Canoni and the defense and the prosecution because
supposedly today in court, prosecution is going to bring forth
some evidence that the time of impact, the time they
believe that Karen Reid hit John O'Keeffe, is different from

(40:43):
what we've been learning and what we've heard as the
time of impact, And if in fact that time does change,
it would be massive to this whole case because it
would play to the prosecution's theory that she in fact
hit John with his her car and left.

Speaker 8 (41:00):
So basically, Apercher did an accident reconstruction report and they
found a trigger event Onkaren Read's vehicle at twelve thirty
one thirty six. But Ian Wiffing got on the stand
and testified that he was still using his phone at
twelve thirty two. Now that's basically saying Karen Reid's struck

(41:21):
him with the vehicle at this time, and then after
she hit him, he was still using his phone, unlocking
his phone, using face ID, and reading text messages, which
just destroys their timeline and their theory that he got
hit by a car. So now after this testimony and
after Arka is looking at the Aperture report and the

(41:43):
defense is coming up with their rebuttal of Aperture's report,
Hank Brennan now is saying, well, the Lexus clock is
different than the clock on Jhon O'Keefe's phone, so we
need to change the time. And we got this unexpected
report from Aperture that we want submitted in court because

(42:04):
this will help our timeline pretty much is.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
What he wants in layman's terms.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Guys, Essentially, the prosecution is trying to say, yes, he
did look at his phone, he did, you know, get
in there, read a few text messages, he closed the
phone at this time, was hit after it at this time,
because that is obviously the theory they are trying to prove.
Bev Canoni said she was going to review all of
the evidence and we should find out here in about
an hour if in fact the prosecution is going to

(42:29):
be able to use it.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
And here's one thing about a prosecution case. Okay, you
should your case as a prosecutor should never change.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Right.

Speaker 8 (42:40):
We saw the first trial the Kyan Reid struck him
at twelve forty five. Now this trial, she struck him
at twelve thirty one. So okay, that's two separate trials.
Sure changes a little bit, but you should not like
whatever the defense says, whatever the cross examinations are, or
whatever the defense experts are gonna say, that should not

(43:01):
change the Commonwealth's theory of the case. Because if they
have the facts and the evidence against Karen Reid, it
doesn't matter if Arcas says we will hired by the
FBI and John was not struck by a vehicles, that
shouldn't change the Commonwealth's theory if their proof is solid.
But they know their case is we they know their
case is weak. They know they have nothing on her,

(43:24):
and the jury is probably seeing this at this point
that wait a minute, We're on day fifteen sixteen wherever
we are in this trial, and we're now just seeing
pitches of John O'Keeffe, and that doesn't look like someone
who got hit by a car.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
He is feeling himself to TV and now look at him.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
All right, really, one more question for you go because
we are running out of time and we could do
this all day. I feel like I'm constantly fielding text
from people. When are we going to see him?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
When we do?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We think when the defense presents their case, we see
a Brian Higgins or a Michael Proctor on the stand, I.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
Don't well, I don't think we're going to see personally.
I don't think we're going to see them now because
of this. And the reason why is this is is
you have the homeowners, you have Brian Higgins, and you
have Michael Procter that the jury has heard so much
about and they want to meet them, but the prosecution
is hiding them. Right So it's not it's really not

(44:20):
the defense's job to potentially bring these people in the commonwealth,
right is These are their star witnesses, these are their
lead investigators. And now the jury has reasonable doubt about
these people. Why give them a chance to get on
the stand and potentially try to convince a jury that
they didn't do anything. I mean, the the jury is
sitting there with all these thoughts about Brian Higgins, all

(44:41):
these thoughts about Michael Procter. Then you're hiding the homeowners
from the jury.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
But Nick, isn't it going to be a powerful thing
if Proctor gets on there? I mean, I understand if
the defense calls Proctor on, they can't attack and the
way they would encross, which is cool, but they can
still put it out there that dude, you got five
for the way you behaved in this case. That to
me is a jura. I'm like, oh, okay, that's all
I need to know. Because everything that you say after this,

(45:08):
before this, it doesn't matter. I'm discrediting everything you did
in this case. Wouldn't that be a powerful tool for them?
A powerful weapon?

Speaker 8 (45:15):
It would? But do not forget Hank Brennan is a
defense lawyer. He wants Michael Profter on Crossley examination because
then he can turn around and be like, well, yes,
you're a vile human being and you said all these
crazy things, but you didn't do X. You didn't do hye,
so so he basically he'll build him back up. So

(45:36):
why give the prosecutions the chance to give this guy
his a little bit of his reputation back to the jury.
You don't do that, So so now you know the
defense has well, so the jury basically get everybody from
you that was in that house that night. They did
not bring to the stand. They did not show you
the homeowners. They did not show you anybody because they're

(46:00):
the people from there.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
All right, Nick, well we're out of time, and I
just still can't wrap my head around the fact that
Beth from Providence called and said the words Brian Higgins
has game.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
I'm still sickened. But thank you so much. Obviously, we
will have.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
You back on next week, same time, same place. I
haven't asked you in a while, Nick Rocco. Did Karen
Reid hit John O'Keeffe with her car and drive off?

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Absolutely not, thank you.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Listen, we could just go on and on and on.
Santy told me to wrap it up ten minutes ago,
so that's my bad.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
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Speaker 1 (46:35):
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Speaker 4 (46:46):
All right, everybody.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Andre Porto up on the stand right now as always, Nick,
thanks for joining.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Us the Massachusetts State.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Police crime Lab expert right now, just going over DNA
or the lack on John's body. Uh, as Santi and
I were saying for And it's tough because you know
he's up there and prosecution is clearly building to something,
so you try to get ahead of it and be like, oh,
this is what it seems like with him. They're trying
to prove that there wasn't a ton of DNA from

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other people on John. Meaning you know, if there's no DNA,
then how could I.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Said a Santi too.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Imagine the links you have to go through if this
was a if this was a real setup, you know,
you gotta wear gloves, you got to wipe out the
They had to have that whole conversation inside the house
while drunk, figuring out what they were going to do
with them.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
It's a lot of work to do, it is. Yeah, Listen,
when certain things happened to you in life? You so
but up quick?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, you could be.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Drunk as are skunk something happened. You'd be like, whoa,
you come back?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Poisons right out.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
He's getting super technical with how many zeros and reptilian
billion It's.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Crazy, this one's tough. Sun shout outs, Oh, we're not
gonna mention Chris, Oh my god, no, yeah we can.
I just saw this information.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Earlier.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
We were talking about Chris Brown getting arrested, and I
said that in none of the stories that I had
read about it, did I read that he was out
on bail. Turns out he's not. He was denied bail
and he will have to stay in jail till a
minimum of June thirteenth, so a month a month, a
month at this point in England and.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Some of the rules there are clearly different. But now
they are really trying to make a point with him, yes.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Which is like I I, who do we get mad at?
Because shouldn't his team have known there was this outstanding
warrant And as soon as he land.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Like, I'm sure that argument is going to be something
like we didn't see this, we never received it. You know,
there's going to be a passing of the blame somewhere.
But you know, back then he was popular, like I
ain't going back to England anyway, so I'm don care.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So what what I was thinking too is you know
he I don't know when his show is in Boston
at Fenway.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
But now we have