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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Day and the jam In Morning Show with DJ fourn
It's saw taking morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Cusin's number one for hip hop jam In ninety four
or five.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh man, Hi, everybody, good morning. Things are heating up
in Detam. There were so many people on the stand
yesterday for the Karen Reid retrial. They'll be back in
court this morning at nine am with retired Lieutenant Paul Gallagher.
There's so many different people and moving parts to this case.
(00:31):
If you're wondering who he is, he was one of
the lieutenants on scene that was trying to collect evidence
and he used the neighbor's.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Red solo cups and a leaf blower to kind of
work the scene if you will.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Two people on the stand yesterday that I thought really
stood out to me, Katie McLaughlin being one and Sarah
Levinson being another. We'll get to Sarah Levinson in the
next three things you need to know, but we talked
about Katie McLaughlin. I'm gonna play her clip. She was
the fire fighter paramedic that was first on one of
the first people on the scene to thirty four fair
View Road.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Something she said also that really stood out to me,
not a single siren. She said, there were no sirens
used on any of the cop cars, not a single
siren used on the fire truck, not a single siren
used on the ambo. She said, we only use the
sirens if we need cars to move. There was no
(01:27):
one on the road. And remember this lends to the
you know, why didn't Caitlin, why didn't the house wake up?
Why didn't Brian and Nicole Albert wake up? They should
have been able to see well earth, they should have
been able.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
To hear sirens. Well, there were no sirens.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Every lights were on. But what if they had blackout curtains.
I'm just playing Devil's after Year. What if they had
blackout curtains and sal machines on last.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Hand, neighborhoods blackout curt I don't know, shopping together.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I'm just saying, but right, we could play this. We
could play this.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What the thought process is like? They were silent that
way that nobody wakes.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
She made it clear nobody had any sirens. So she
said there were lights for sure. Confirmed, she said there
were lights, but there were there was no sound.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, they do that. I mean, note, I've just heard
the fire truck engine outside my crib and then I
look out my window and I see lights and I
didn't even know they pulled up.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So I just I just like playing.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I like playing both sides because let me tell you something,
blackout curtains and a sala machine on blast? What is
the life I'm living? You might not hear a lot,
all right. So anyways, Katie says, we get there, we
pull up. Part of her job on scene is to
kind of ask, which makes sense, what happens? You know,
what's going on? What happened here?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I asked if there had been any significant trauma that
happened that preceded this, and she answered with a series
of statements that she repeated, I hit him. I hit him.
There was a woman next to us who told her
to calm down, stop talking, calm down, you're hysterical. So
(02:59):
she repeated I hit him, and a police officer asked her,
said you what, and she repeated it again, I hit him,
and the officer then signaled for his sergeant to come
down to the scene or down to where he was.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I said it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think at one point Alan Jackson said it too.
It's like that's an omission of guilt right there.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I hit him. They don't know if it was on
purpose or not. She's saying, I hit him.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I just think it's very strange that right then
the police weren't like, all right, why don't we take
a deep breath, let's go down to the station, let's.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Talk about it. It's just I don't know. I just
feel like everything was flubbed right away on scene.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But with that being said, Katie McLaughlin's up there prosecutions
basically like walk us through what happened. She's like, she said,
I hit him, I alerted the you know, the people
of the higher up sideline.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Let everybody you know, a cop heard it. Fine, whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, then Alan Jackson gets up and Alan Jackson is like,
let me poke a little let.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Me poke some holes in this week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Uh, And he basically proves and gets her to admit,
which we already knew that there's a relationship between her
and Caitlyn Albert and Caitlyn Albert is the daughter of
Brian and Nicole, who you know were the homeowners. She
describes it as friendly. You know, I have my friends group,
she has her friend group. We've done things together, like
(04:20):
we've gone to a baby shower together. We've gone to
a vacation in Maine together, we've been on a beach together.
But we're not actual friends. We just hang out with
the same friend groups. That's how she's describing it. Alan
Jackson then.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Puts photos in front of her and he's like, he's like,
well is this you?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Is it? You know? Of course it got objected and
sustained eight thousand million times, but his whole thing was
to prove like, well, there could be some bias here
because you're friendly with her, and she lives in the
home and these are her parents. You could be part
of this huge scheme of protecting.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But couldn't she just say no, I just have grown
up with her and I'm friends. That doesn't mean I
want to protect her.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
She was saying that repeat on repeat, Rachel's and Quincy Rach.
Are you like myself and foreign and have just given
up all daily responsibilities to watch this case?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's like embarrassing my daughter, said Jen
mccab the other day.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I'm like, oh, this is bad. This is bad. She's like,
who's Jen mccab.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm like, okay, all right, we got to shut this down.
So I did try to shut it off a couple
times yesterday. But I don't know how you felt, but
I thought that Katie McLaughlin's testimony was pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I don't. And the reason why iffy about her is because,
if you remember, the defense specifically asked her she knew
the address, yes, and she.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
Said no at first. But he also pointed out that
she's had a sleep over at that home. So I
don't know how many people sleep over people's house that
don't know the address, but I know if I ever
slept anywhere, I know exactly where that house is.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Low case. So for her to say that, and she
also admitted, finally, when he had so many proof against her,
she all of a sudden she slept over there before.
So how didn't you know the address? She knew the address,
So that is already biased one hundred percent. And then
on top of that, she had she was writing down
(06:20):
on her gloves. Okay, so if you hear someone say
I hit him, I hit him four times now that
she said, right, isn't that something obviously you would write
down on that glove since you're writing down, you know,
mail this stage or such and such or whatever the
case may be, and wouldn't you think that that glove
would be, you know, something that would be needed for
(06:42):
this case that you wouldn't just throw away that glove
all of a sudden, the glove is also in the trash.
It's too many like parts that is mind bogglin. And
then to top it off, the officer, he stated, if
I'm not mistaken that he got the ditch comes from
a police officer that lives next door across the street.
(07:04):
It's like so many police officers all of a sudden
live in that neighborhood, but no one has cameras.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, that street was like Cop Central. Honestly, it reminds
me like the neighborhood I live in. It's like tons
of cops and the firefighters. Like, you know, why don't
day Rach listen?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I Again, this is why this case stands out to me.
I could I can see both sides to this because
I you know, I know where you're going with this,
because you're you're repeating to me what Alan Jackson's questions
to her were about writing the information down on the glove.
But here's my thing, You're not gonna write I hit
him my head in my head him you might write
potential car accidents something something along those lines, but you know,
(07:42):
basically what her point was is, like my job is
to get like height, age, you know, those type of things,
to then report and mainly help and assist in anything
medically that could that could assist us while we're on
the way to the hospital, her saying I hit my
head on my had I'm not going to assist, but
maybe like getting in there and saying, hey, I wrote
(08:04):
down he may have been hit by a car.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I also think we're all because we're so involved in
this and we're so we're all trying to act like
we know how to be a paramedic on scene, we
know how to be a firefighter on seam.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
We aren't.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, that's not our job, that's not our responsibility, and
nobody I don't care. Like I again, I know in
my heart and in my gut that my husband, as
a firefighter, could show up to his enemy's home. There
are civilians in that house. It does not matter. He's
taking care of whoever's in that house. So this whole
narrative of this weird, like oh, well.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
She's gonna I don't know. I think she's just gonna
do her job.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Now, do I find it a little strange that she
wasn't fourth right, fourth right, fourth with all of the hey, yeah,
forthcoming with Yes, I have gone to a baby chower
with her, but that shouldn't matter, right Like, yes, I
went to a baby chower with her, I've been to
a beach with her. That shouldn't matter. And do I
think it's a little weird that she's having that, Yes,
of course. But there's just we could we could go
(09:06):
we could go both ways on it. Now, if you
watched it all day yesterday, you it would be tough
for me to back you if you don't believe that
Sarah Levinson was pretty believable.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No, absolutely, in the sense of especially her keeping you know,
her story. But I could also say Magel has been
I believe he's been the best one because his story
is consistent. And he also mentioned that there wasn't much
snow on the ground when he when he seen Karen
in her car by herself with the lights on, so
(09:40):
and he can't see a body on the lawn. There
wasn't much, so where would John you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He actually said he didn't see a male but then
his girlfriend at the time no longer was like no,
I definitely saw a male in the car.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So it's just there's just so much back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's why yesterday was interesting because there was we had
multiple people on the stand, multiple different stories.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Rache, did you ever watch the show The Affair?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I haven't, So I bring that up to say, because
all three of us on this show four and you
watch The Affair, right, because we've.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Talked about this, Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The show of The Affair Rage sticks out so much
to me because it's it's a story about the same
events essentially over and over, right, So you're literally each
episode seeing the same thing happen, but through a different lens.
So what Santi sees on an evening out is going
to be different from what DJ forren sees through.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
His eyes on a night out, through what I see.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So it's it's like we're living out the true life
of what somebody interprets their evening to look like it is.
It's a wild thing, Rachel, thank you for the call.
I'm obsessed as well. It's just it is weird if
you think about it like that, and we've were years
down the road, like these people aren't even they at
that point they were a boyfriend and girlfriend. They're not
boyfriend and girlfriend anymore. Or it's just it's it's very strange.
(11:02):
But I still again, I.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Still think that's the inconsistencies for me is the issue.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, again, I still think that there's enough.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
The questions, Like you said, Okay, yeah, cool, so we
know her. It's a small town. Everybody knows that. Like,
why do you have to not say that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Are they ducking because they're hiding something? Are they ducking
because they mean coach had docked the question.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think she's ducking because she because she doesn't want
people to believe she would do anything differently because she
knows it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So she's like I don't even want to say. But
again that's not like Thorn saying it's a small town.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
But like, I still believe she went there and she
did her job as she knows to do her job.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
But that's not what Alan Jackson's job is to do.
His job is to prove No. It is weird. It
is weird that you knew somebody.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
There's something wrong here.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
El has got a job to do people and he's
doing it. I know people hate it. But that's the
fact of the matter.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But I don't know. I again, I still I still
think there's enough reasonable doubt too.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But these these things stand out to me, you know,
I had on my head, on my head. We've heard
it a couple of times, people have confirmed it. Whether
you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And then, of course I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Sarah Levinson was important to me because she and we'll
get to it, but she was in that house from
the start of the party all the way through to
the edge. She got a ride home from Matt and
Jen McCabe. She remembers the conversation in the car.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
She doesn't she didn't drink, but she didn't see anything
in the.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Lawn, saw nothing in the lawn.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
But while it was still like light snow and Karen
Reid's call was right there.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It was it was oh no, no, no, She was not
outside at that time.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She said she left the home at two something Karen,
Karen was gone, got so it's now it's two am
when she's leaving. She actually thought it was between one
thirty and two. She said she thinks she got home
around too. So no, no, no, So just to clear that up.
She left at the very end of the night, between
one thirty and two o'clock. Said it was insanely dark outside.
She said it was very snowy, to the point where
(12:52):
she had slippery shoes on, So she was kind of
looking at the ground. Did she see a body or anything. No,
But she's like, I wasn't looking up. I was looking
at the ground. But I think what stood out to
me the most was she was like, I was in
that house the whole time.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
When Colin Albert came in, he was there for thirty minutes.
Nothing weird happened in that house.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And she was on the stand the first time around
because I don't remember her name.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, but the weird she was.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But the weird thing about her testimony, which which we'll
get to, which Alan Jackson got to she didn't get
interviewed until nine months after it happened by Michael Pactor.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What are you waiting for?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You have a girl that had one drink ate dinner,
There was there all night, saw nothing, and you're waiting
that long to interview her.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, it's exactly. We got problems. We'll talk about it
next
Day and the jam In Morning Show with DJ fourn
It's saw taking morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Cusin's number one for hip hop jam In ninety four
or five.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh man, Hi, everybody, good morning. Things are heating up
in Detam. There were so many people on the stand
yesterday for the Karen Reid retrial. They'll be back in
court this morning at nine am with retired Lieutenant Paul Gallagher.
There's so many different people and moving parts to this case.
(00:31):
If you're wondering who he is, he was one of
the lieutenants on scene that was trying to collect evidence
and he used the neighbor's.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Red solo cups and a leaf blower to kind of
work the scene if you will.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Two people on the stand yesterday that I thought really
stood out to me, Katie McLaughlin being one and Sarah
Levinson being another. We'll get to Sarah Levinson in the
next three things you need to know, but we talked
about Katie McLaughlin. I'm gonna play her clip. She was
the fire fighter paramedic that was first on one of
the first people on the scene to thirty four fair
View Road.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Something she said also that really stood out to me,
not a single siren. She said, there were no sirens
used on any of the cop cars, not a single
siren used on the fire truck, not a single siren
used on the ambo. She said, we only use the
sirens if we need cars to move. There was no
(01:27):
one on the road. And remember this lends to the
you know, why didn't Caitlin, why didn't the house wake up?
Why didn't Brian and Nicole Albert wake up? They should
have been able to see well earth, they should have
been able.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
To hear sirens. Well, there were no sirens.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Every lights were on. But what if they had blackout curtains.
I'm just playing Devil's after Year. What if they had
blackout curtains and sal machines on last.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Hand, neighborhoods blackout curt I don't know, shopping together.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I'm just saying, but right, we could play this. We
could play this.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What the thought process is like? They were silent that
way that nobody wakes.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
She made it clear nobody had any sirens. So she
said there were lights for sure. Confirmed, she said there
were lights, but there were there was no sound.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, they do that. I mean, note, I've just heard
the fire truck engine outside my crib and then I
look out my window and I see lights and I
didn't even know they pulled up.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So I just I just like playing.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I like playing both sides because let me tell you something,
blackout curtains and a sala machine on blast? What is
the life I'm living? You might not hear a lot,
all right. So anyways, Katie says, we get there, we
pull up. Part of her job on scene is to
kind of ask, which makes sense, what happens? You know,
what's going on? What happened here?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I asked if there had been any significant trauma that
happened that preceded this, and she answered with a series
of statements that she repeated, I hit him. I hit him.
There was a woman next to us who told her
to calm down, stop talking, calm down, you're hysterical. So
(02:59):
she repeated I hit him, and a police officer asked her,
said you what, and she repeated it again, I hit him,
and the officer then signaled for his sergeant to come
down to the scene or down to where he was.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I said it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think at one point Alan Jackson said it too.
It's like that's an omission of guilt right there.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I hit him. They don't know if it was on
purpose or not. She's saying, I hit him.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I just think it's very strange that right then
the police weren't like, all right, why don't we take
a deep breath, let's go down to the station, let's.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Talk about it. It's just I don't know. I just
feel like everything was flubbed right away on scene.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But with that being said, Katie McLaughlin's up there prosecutions
basically like walk us through what happened. She's like, she said,
I hit him, I alerted the you know, the people
of the higher up sideline.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Let everybody you know, a cop heard it. Fine, whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, then Alan Jackson gets up and Alan Jackson is like,
let me poke a little let.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Me poke some holes in this week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Uh, And he basically proves and gets her to admit,
which we already knew that there's a relationship between her
and Caitlyn Albert and Caitlyn Albert is the daughter of
Brian and Nicole, who you know were the homeowners. She
describes it as friendly. You know, I have my friends group,
she has her friend group. We've done things together, like
(04:20):
we've gone to a baby shower together. We've gone to
a vacation in Maine together, we've been on a beach together.
But we're not actual friends. We just hang out with
the same friend groups. That's how she's describing it. Alan
Jackson then.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Puts photos in front of her and he's like, he's like,
well is this you?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Is it? You know? Of course it got objected and
sustained eight thousand million times, but his whole thing was
to prove like, well, there could be some bias here
because you're friendly with her, and she lives in the
home and these are her parents. You could be part
of this huge scheme of protecting.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But couldn't she just say no, I just have grown
up with her and I'm friends. That doesn't mean I
want to protect her.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
She was saying that repeat on repeat, Rachel's and Quincy Rach.
Are you like myself and foreign and have just given
up all daily responsibilities to watch this case?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's like embarrassing my daughter, said Jen
mccab the other day.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I'm like, oh, this is bad. This is bad. She's like,
who's Jen mccab.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm like, okay, all right, we got to shut this down.
So I did try to shut it off a couple
times yesterday. But I don't know how you felt, but
I thought that Katie McLaughlin's testimony was pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I don't. And the reason why iffy about her is because,
if you remember, the defense specifically asked her she knew
the address, yes, and she.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
Said no at first. But he also pointed out that
she's had a sleep over at that home. So I
don't know how many people sleep over people's house that
don't know the address, but I know if I ever
slept anywhere, I know exactly where that house is.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Low case. So for her to say that, and she
also admitted, finally, when he had so many proof against her,
she all of a sudden she slept over there before.
So how didn't you know the address? She knew the address,
So that is already biased one hundred percent. And then
on top of that, she had she was writing down
(06:20):
on her gloves. Okay, so if you hear someone say
I hit him, I hit him four times now that
she said, right, isn't that something obviously you would write
down on that glove since you're writing down, you know,
mail this stage or such and such or whatever the
case may be, and wouldn't you think that that glove
would be, you know, something that would be needed for
(06:42):
this case that you wouldn't just throw away that glove
all of a sudden, the glove is also in the trash.
It's too many like parts that is mind bogglin. And
then to top it off, the officer, he stated, if
I'm not mistaken that he got the ditch comes from
a police officer that lives next door across the street.
(07:04):
It's like so many police officers all of a sudden
live in that neighborhood, but no one has cameras.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, that street was like Cop Central. Honestly, it reminds
me like the neighborhood I live in. It's like tons
of cops and the firefighters. Like, you know, why don't
day Rach listen?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I Again, this is why this case stands out to me.
I could I can see both sides to this because
I you know, I know where you're going with this,
because you're you're repeating to me what Alan Jackson's questions
to her were about writing the information down on the glove.
But here's my thing, You're not gonna write I hit
him my head in my head him you might write
potential car accidents something something along those lines, but you know,
(07:42):
basically what her point was is, like my job is
to get like height, age, you know, those type of things,
to then report and mainly help and assist in anything
medically that could that could assist us while we're on
the way to the hospital, her saying I hit my
head on my had I'm not going to assist, but
maybe like getting in there and saying, hey, I wrote
(08:04):
down he may have been hit by a car.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I also think we're all because we're so involved in
this and we're so we're all trying to act like
we know how to be a paramedic on scene, we
know how to be a firefighter on seam.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
We aren't.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, that's not our job, that's not our responsibility, and
nobody I don't care. Like I again, I know in
my heart and in my gut that my husband, as
a firefighter, could show up to his enemy's home. There
are civilians in that house. It does not matter. He's
taking care of whoever's in that house. So this whole
narrative of this weird, like oh, well.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
She's gonna I don't know. I think she's just gonna
do her job.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Now, do I find it a little strange that she
wasn't fourth right, fourth right, fourth with all of the hey, yeah,
forthcoming with Yes, I have gone to a baby chower
with her, but that shouldn't matter, right Like, yes, I
went to a baby chower with her, I've been to
a beach with her. That shouldn't matter. And do I
think it's a little weird that she's having that, Yes,
of course. But there's just we could we could go
(09:06):
we could go both ways on it. Now, if you
watched it all day yesterday, you it would be tough
for me to back you if you don't believe that
Sarah Levinson was pretty believable.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No, absolutely, in the sense of especially her keeping you know,
her story. But I could also say Magel has been
I believe he's been the best one because his story
is consistent. And he also mentioned that there wasn't much
snow on the ground when he when he seen Karen
in her car by herself with the lights on, so
(09:40):
and he can't see a body on the lawn. There
wasn't much, so where would John you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He actually said he didn't see a male but then
his girlfriend at the time no longer was like no,
I definitely saw a male in the car.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So it's just there's just so much back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's why yesterday was interesting because there was we had
multiple people on the stand, multiple different stories.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Rache, did you ever watch the show The Affair?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I haven't, So I bring that up to say, because
all three of us on this show four and you
watch The Affair, right, because we've.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Talked about this, Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The show of The Affair Rage sticks out so much
to me because it's it's a story about the same
events essentially over and over, right, So you're literally each
episode seeing the same thing happen, but through a different lens.
So what Santi sees on an evening out is going
to be different from what DJ forren sees through.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
His eyes on a night out, through what I see.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So it's it's like we're living out the true life
of what somebody interprets their evening to look like it is.
It's a wild thing, Rachel, thank you for the call.
I'm obsessed as well. It's just it is weird if
you think about it like that, and we've were years
down the road, like these people aren't even they at
that point they were a boyfriend and girlfriend. They're not
boyfriend and girlfriend anymore. Or it's just it's it's very strange.
(11:02):
But I still again, I.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Still think that's the inconsistencies for me is the issue.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, again, I still think that there's enough.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
The questions, Like you said, Okay, yeah, cool, so we
know her. It's a small town. Everybody knows that. Like,
why do you have to not say that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Are they ducking because they're hiding something? Are they ducking
because they mean coach had docked the question.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think she's ducking because she because she doesn't want
people to believe she would do anything differently because she
knows it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So she's like I don't even want to say. But
again that's not like Thorn saying it's a small town.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
But like, I still believe she went there and she
did her job as she knows to do her job.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
But that's not what Alan Jackson's job is to do.
His job is to prove No. It is weird. It
is weird that you knew somebody.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
There's something wrong here.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
El has got a job to do people and he's
doing it. I know people hate it. But that's the
fact of the matter.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But I don't know. I again, I still I still
think there's enough reasonable doubt too.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But these these things stand out to me, you know,
I had on my head, on my head. We've heard
it a couple of times, people have confirmed it. Whether
you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And then, of course I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Sarah Levinson was important to me because she and we'll
get to it, but she was in that house from
the start of the party all the way through to
the edge. She got a ride home from Matt and
Jen McCabe. She remembers the conversation in the car.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
She doesn't she didn't drink, but she didn't see anything
in the.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Lawn, saw nothing in the lawn.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
But while it was still like light snow and Karen
Reid's call was right there.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It was it was oh no, no, no, She was not
outside at that time.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She said she left the home at two something Karen,
Karen was gone, got so it's now it's two am
when she's leaving. She actually thought it was between one
thirty and two. She said she thinks she got home
around too. So no, no, no, So just to clear that up.
She left at the very end of the night, between
one thirty and two o'clock. Said it was insanely dark outside.
She said it was very snowy, to the point where
(12:52):
she had slippery shoes on, So she was kind of
looking at the ground. Did she see a body or anything. No,
But she's like, I wasn't looking up. I was looking
at the ground. But I think what stood out to
me the most was she was like, I was in
that house the whole time.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
When Colin Albert came in, he was there for thirty minutes.
Nothing weird happened in that house.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And she was on the stand the first time around
because I don't remember her name.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, but the weird she was.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But the weird thing about her testimony, which which we'll
get to, which Alan Jackson got to she didn't get
interviewed until nine months after it happened by Michael Pactor.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What are you waiting for?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You have a girl that had one drink ate dinner,
There was there all night, saw nothing, and you're waiting
that long to interview her.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, it's exactly. We got problems. We'll talk about it
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