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Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hi, everybody, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I like to start out every conversation with Nick Rocco
the same way six one seven nine three one one
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
That is six one seven nine three one one nine
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
If you have a question for Nick, no matter what
side of the aisle you fall on in the Karen
Reid retrial, if you have a question for him, feel
free to ask it. That is the one thing I
will say about Nick Rocco is Nick does not shy
away from any single question. He's been like that since
he first joined the show, and we love him for it.
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I myself had to take a step back. I believe
it was Monday or Tuesday. I had text Nick and
he didn't respond and I was up sad.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I was like, what what is he doing? Who does
he think he is? He's not responding to my text?
And then I put the YouTube on and there he was.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Nick, you were in court this week two days, I
believe Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How dare you be in court to support your friend
and not answer my text. And it's so funny because
when we later did speak, I was like, I am
embarrassed because on arab I was treating you like you
or my ex not responding to my messages, but you
were saying how in court obviously a you can't have
your phone out be the service isn't great. I can
only imagine nobody's trying to get kicked out of court.
So it's a good thing you did not respond to
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my text message because we want you, we want.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
You in there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm always giving you guys the update, so if I
don't answer, that's usually a pretty good reason why.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I think it's best if we start out and no,
I know everybody's jeweling to get the Jen McCabe with Nick.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know that, and we will.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But let's start with Ian Wiffin because I think there's
a couple of big points I want to hit. Number
one and I said this earlier. Let's talk battery temperature
because this was new news to me and I don't
know if this came up in round one in the
initial trial, but learning that John's battery temperature continually got colder. Obviously,
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we know the prosecution was trying to lead us into
believe that if his phone kept getting colder, There's absolutely
no way that John o'keef's cell phone went inside.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So let's just start with seventy two degrees, which would
have been the point where John O'Keefe was lying outside
or when he got outside. So at the point of
seventy two degrees, I believe it was an hour and
an hour and thirty four minutes the phone drops twenty
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seven degrees. Now that would make sense potentially if there
was a warm body laying on top of the it's
not going to drop as fast as putting your phone
in a freezer like we so we heard Ann Wiffin
talk about it dropped. I think it was dropping, you know,
every fifteen minutes. It was dropping a tremendous amount. And
so you have an hour and a half the phone
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drops twenty seven degrees, then all of a sudden, from
one thirty six in the morning to six oh six
in the morning, the phone only drops seven more degrees.
So that specific part rate that does not make sense
because you would you would imagine if John O'Keeffe was
lying outside bleeding out his body temperature is dropping as well,
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so the phone would continue to drop over that over
those five hours where it only drops seven degrees. So
the timeline of their temperature of the battery doesn't really
make sense. And if the phone was inside the house,
yes it would not be dropping, which then could make
you believe there was There was probably two places the
phone was either inside the garage or inside the bulkhead
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in the basement.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Now, yeah, that part did stand out to me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think that the fact that it only dropped seven
degrees in these blizzard attempts. But then I thought to myself, well,
if his body is covering it and his warm body
is laying on top of it, then that could change
things as well.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Nick. I know you and we obviously know where you
stand on this.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But I think before Daddy Al and the team were
able to get their hands on Ian Wiffin, a lot
of people were like, WHOA kind of taken back by
this information because I just it kind of felt new
to us, this whole battery temperature thing.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, yeah, I mean it is new information because they
didn't talk about it in the first trial. But another
thing that I mean, I don't want to say it's
common sense. But if you have a body laying outside
in eighteen degree weather for over six hours, you would
imagine that that body is going to be colder than
eighty degrees. Correct, So that was the temperature of John's
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body when they had him, was eighty degrees. He would
have been He would have been stiff as a board, frozen.
If he was outside for six and a half hours
an eighteen degree weather, as he's actively losing blood, his
body would be getting colder and colder and colder. So
to say a warm body is laying on the phone, yes,
that would be correct, but his body shouldn't have been warm.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Let's also talk about Ian Wiffin discussing the radius in
which John's phone could have been because you know, when
he was speaking with prosecution, it was, hey, here's this
circle radius. He could have only gone like thirty five
steps this way and that way. And it was kind
of like, oh, well, it doesn't seem via this GPS
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radius that Ian Wiffin is giving us that there is
any way that he could have made it into the home.
Then defense gets up, Alan Jackson starts talking. Or it
could have been somebody else. I forget who was doing
the cross that day and we we learned, well, yeah,
this is the radius, but does it not seem like
John could have potentially been walking.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Towards the home.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I Wiffin on the stands straight up said that, yes,
the phone could have been inside the house when there
was low accuracy to the GPS data. So those points
that are on the lawn one, they're not the red
dots that he showed specifically, they're not at the flag bole,
They're somewhere in the middle of the lawn. And even
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Ian Wiffen again had said in his report that it's
impossible to have to find out the exact location of
where that phone would have been on the lawn. So
when you take the low accuracy GPS data and the
high accuracy data, it puts them somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Real close to that house.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But the biggest takeaway about his GPS data is that
something that Robert Alessi brought up was the state's accident
reconstructionist has a trigger on her vehicle at twelve thirty
one in thirty six or thirty eight seconds, meaning if
that's the trigger, that means that's when the collision would
have happened. But John started moving at twelve thirty one.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Fifty eight seconds.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
So and then he looks at his phone, he unlocks
his phone with his face ID, then.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He locks his phone. So, how do you have a
how do you have a trigger?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
If you want to call it an accident? How do
you have an accident? Before he even got out of
a car.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, it was so no and listen, it was so
interesting to hear that God forbid something were to happen
to you, that they can get all the way down
to you used face ID to get into your phone.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You locked your phone.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Now, I know that the data kind of got a
little wobbly when it was phone calls that were incoming
compared to phone calls that were outgoing. When we were
trying to figure out, you know, de Jen McCabe Collin,
why were they on the phone for this amount of time.
I know that's where things got tricky. But let's wrap up.
Ian Wiffen. Is there anything else with him that you
want to get out or you know, because I know
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you see the comments online and kind of what people
are saying, and some people are like wow, like you know,
he was really good on stand and he did a
great job.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
How do you feel about his testimony.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So Ian Whiffen, he works for Celebrate Right, so he
created his own software. So the explanation that he showed
in court or the video that he kind of put
together to show in courte about this Google search, he
was using his own tool. There's only Celebrate in his
tool that show this Google search not having and happening
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at two twenty seven. The number one thing that people
need to remember about this Google search is that Jen McCabe.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The Hackamock Sports was on one tab.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
She used a completely different tab and it has a
separate ID for that tab. To Google search haslong to
dying cold. It's not on the Hockamarck Sports that they're
telling us it was on. Richard Green will also testify
to this because he did in the first trial as well.
It's a completely separate tab. That's why it shows two
twenty seven. Wow it at the six twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And six twenty four.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
They want you to believe that those were done on
the Hawkmark Sports tab, but they weren't to be honest.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I was under that impression as well, So I'll be
anxious for that testimony because from what I gather throughout
the week and what we were kind of made to
believe is Jen McCabe went home after dropping off those
two teams. She was laying in bed, her daughter son
whatever it was her kid, had just found out, Hey,
I'm gonna be on this sports team. She looked up
the schedule and then on that same exact tab that
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she had opened up the schedule when apparently Kim Karen
Reid asked her to google those things, she used that tab.
That's what we were led to believe this week. So
I'll be anxious for that testimony. But speaking of Jen McCabe,
let's move on. Nick. I'm not gonna let you lie
to me and and fight me on this. Jen McCabe
got herself a glow up. Okay, mccave got a nice
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spray t hand, she got her hair done, maybe a
little bowtoks.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Her teeth looked nice.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Uh. And she was, in my humble opinion, a different
person from the first trial to this trial. Maybe so
different that she changed up her testimony a little bit,
but she was.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Her demeanor was different. It felt different.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I know Karen was outside of cor and Karen said
she didn't she didn't notice it and she didn't see it,
but it was noticeable to the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh, I mean absolutely. And if you don't think Hank
Brennan told her you got it, you can't do that again,
you'd be lying to yourself. She was clearly coached to
make sure that she was on our best behavior.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
There's anybody that fights that is crazy lance. She was
coached by who will never know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Maybe it was Hank, maybe it was Brian Albert, I
don't know, but somebody said to her, listen, you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Can't be popping off like that. You got it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And I don't know if you also notice, Nick, she
did a fantastic job of looking at the jury looking back.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
She knew what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She's handling herself a lot better this trial than she
did in the last. A couple things to note with
her testimony in the first trial, she never said that
Karen Reid said three times I hit him, I hit him,
I hit him. This whole consistency of I hit him,
I hit him, I hit him, obviously would be like
the biggest break in the case, right if it happened
about a couple of people say it now, jenn is
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saying she heard it now, but did not say that
she heard it in the first trial.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Are you talking about the first grand jury or the
first trial, because she definitely said hit him, I hit
him in in the first trial, but.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
To the grand jury she did not, right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, well, not only not the grand jury, but not
one police interview that she did not one police report
does it say that Jen said that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
She also called.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Michael link Back, who is part of the Canton Police
Department and also their friend, called him back to thirty
four fav of You Road because she forgot something so
important that she had to tell him that Karen Reid said,
could I have hit him?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Could I have hit him?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So, so it never came out.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It wasn't anyway from Jen McCabe that I hit him,
I hit him, I hit him until years later she
came up with that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So something that stuck out to me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
There's a few things, But one thing is you know,
because by the way, we haven't even got to the
Google search with her yet. I'm assuming Daddy, I was
going to get there today. But you know, she says
that again, this is all her testimony, So she is
claiming that when she got that initial call from John's niece,
that Karen was in the background and she was screaming
and yelling, and Karen said, quote, I left him at
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the waterfall, insinuating to us. I think in her testimony,
like Karen was so drunk that she didn't even remember
driving him to thirty four fair of you.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That was also the first time I had heard that.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
There was something mentioned in the in the first trial
about how how Karen said something like that. But again,
this is this is Jen mccab getting on the stand
trying to make Karen read look bad. That's why if
you notice when she testifies about Karen, she she constantly
says she was frantic, she was crazy, she was crazy,
she wouldn't stop screaming. All she did every two seconds
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she was screaming, you know. So it's really just an
attack on her character because at the end of the day,
it's it's not hard proof that Karen was doing that
or saying any of that stuff. So they need to actually,
you know, you're not gonna be able to provide proof
of this unless you have everybody's testimony lining up exactly,
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and we clearly see that's not happening as of now.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So I agree with you, I think that she is
she is trying to paint this picture that Karen was
frantic and she was crazy. I mean, she her one impression.
I'm trying to get the clip of Karen, you know,
she imitates her stid like everybody was talking about that,
because she is leading us to believe that she was
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nuts and she was yelling, and she that Carrie Roberts
had to tell her to, you know, shut the f
up because she was acting so nuts, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You can kind of see that it's an art and
you can kind of see what the prosecution is trying
to paint verse what the defense is trying to paint.
And there's one thing that I think that Alan Jackson
is doing and I'm not at all by any means
saying that it's the wrong thing, because it obviously plays to.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The Karen side of things.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But this whole narrative of trying to make it weird
that she went into her sister's house and she sat
at a table with her sister and her family and
they talked about the night.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I just it's hard for me to get behind that
that's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Now, given if you think that he died inside the home,
I understandable, but just to an average civilian, Nick, that
happens to me, that's my brother's house, because I have
a brother.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I'm sitting at that table.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm they're gonna console me, they're gonna say, it's okay,
like we're gonna, you know, figure this out. We're gonna
find out what. I don't think that that part is
that weird?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Are you talking about? After John had after they took
John off the scene, and then they had they get
together exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So Karen's gone because she you know, they they they
put like a hold on her psychiatric hol So she's gone,
and then yes, John's also gone, but they don't know
whether John is a live or not. At this point,
they're waiting on a call from Kerrie Roberts because she
went to go pick up I believe John's family. So yes,
now they're having what you're calling the get together. But
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could that not just be like that's her sister and
she's like, oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Like we're figuring it out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, it'd be one thing if they had already done
their police interviews and they were all separated, but at
this point, nobody got separated. You have, you have everybody
that was at that house. And Brian Higgins now all
inside of a house before they even talked to police officers.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's part's weird without authorities. I get it, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think for average people you would do that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You wouldn't be like, oh wait, let's not talk about
this until a cough gets here.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's your sister, it's your family.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But then they started inviting people over that weren't even
there on the scene at that point. For example, Chris
Albert comes over, Matt McCabe comes over, Brian Higgins comes over.
So it's it's it'd be one thing. It's like, okay,
you know, you figure it out at six seven in
the morning, but this meeting didn't happen until like eight
thirty in the morning, which was a few hours after
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John had already been off off of the scene, and
you know, Jen was still there. Then Matt came, then
then the rest of the crew came and Julie Albert
was bringing donuts in a blizzard to Brian Albert Junior.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And left him in the car.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I mean, it's listen, it lends to the theory,
no question that they're in there and they're like, all right, well,
this is what you're gonna say, This is what you're
gonna say, this is how you're gonna I'm not.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Taking that away.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just think, you know, because people are even giving
her some heat for calling her husband at one point,
and it's like making that call, you're calling your wife, Nick,
I mean certain things you know that I feel like
they're trying to make a little bit feel weird. Is like,
I don't know, as an average person, I might do
the same in that situation. But then on the other side,
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which is why this case is what it is. You
can see why that could lend to the theory of
oh no, they weren't just you know, getting a hug
from their sister.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
They were devising a plan.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, you know who wasn't who wasn't there for
that get together a party that not one person mentioned
who Chloe.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, Chloe wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And by the way, I'm assuming we're going to get
to a little bit more of that today because that
part of the testimony I thought was interesting too. Correct
me if I'm wrong, Nick, And I actually said I
was gonna ask you this. We know, Daddy Al was
trying to prove the point of you you busted into
the house to go wake your sister up. Was Chloe
in the hallway? No, you busted down the hallway, You
walked past rooms with Chloe in any of those rooms,
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I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You go into their bedroom. Did you see Chloe? Was
Chloe barking?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I didn't see the dog. I know, I didn't see
the dog. Where was Chloe? I thought?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In Trio one, we learned that the Albert daughter took
Chloe home that night.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
No, Brian Albert testified that Chloe was either.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Near or in the closet.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The speculation is, so you have you have Caitlyn Albert
leaving the house at one forty five in the morning
when her boyfriend had to wake up super early to
go plowing. So he comes back to pick her up
and she's the last one to leave. This rumor that
Caitlyn Albert took the dog home.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, but we never got confirmation on that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Because no one knew where the dog was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Still, that dog is living in Vermont at the Ben
and Jerry's factory the Hill. Okay, so a couple of things.
Let's go to a couple questions. Let's start with them.
Steph in Providence. Steph has a question for you, Nick,
Hi Staph, good morning.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Hey, good morning, Nick.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm gonna give you a hug when you finally figure
this out, But I just want to ask you what
you think about the fact that, only hours after John
was confirmed dead, you have Karen, who got her father,
who was in a right mind and knows that the
Lexus is the weapon, going to John's house, not even
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giving one word of condolence to Peg, goes into her
bedroom upstairs, doesn't even speak to Peg as she leaves,
as she's stated in multiple interviews, and that documentary means
with the Lexus, the murder, weapons, and the evidence, how
do you feel about that and what do you think
about that?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Also Part two, the steps. You have John steps supposedly
that got him in the house, but there's no steps
out of the house house number one. And how come
no one, ever, how come Alan Jackson never asked anybody
what was actually happening in the house. Those two doors
that entered the house with an open floor plan, it
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doesn't matter what door John came in. Somebody would have
saw more than one person would have saw, and no
one said that they saw, all right, Step.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm gonna hang up with these.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You can hear Nick's answer, thanks for the call, Nick,
let you ride out on that one.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Go ahead. So there's a lot of questions there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He that was a seven go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So the first one, I mean, Peggy never liked Karen.
They they never really had a close relationship projection.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So just the just the like a glare.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
For example, if you go if the first thing Peggy
said to Karen Reid when she was in the hospitals,
why is she here?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What is she doing here?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know what I mean? So it's it's you could
already get a sense, you can already get a sense.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Of wait a minute, what do you mean? Why am
I here? I'm joing boyfriend?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
What do you think I did something like? So there
was already that tension there. Then she goes to the
house and you have everybody kind of sitting in the
in the kitchen. You don't know exactly how they looked
at her or what exactly was said to her. So
she goes upstairs, she gets her clothes and comes back
down her dad, and her dad was there. Her dad
knows exactly what happened, and he said to outside the court.
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He has no problem testifying to telling you what they
did upstairs. The second question was into the house, not
saying this happened. But there is such thing, and I
might get the word wrong, but like uh, an infrared
or some type of bag that you can put your
phone inside that basically cuts all all all communication and
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technology off to it. You have Brian Albert and Brian
Higgins to a high end law law officers who may
have one in the house already, but you have.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You have John go in the house. The phone could
have fell. Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
One of the one other things that no one has
really talked about is when John, when John was running
inside the house, right, the phone could have potentially spell
outside and then they and then they found it. I
don't think that's what happened. I've seen people say that,
but that that is just some people's opinion is that
the phone could have fell outside. But when when John
lost his phone, there's a reason why Jen McCabe called
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it seven times. They were not butt dials. They were
most likely to find the phone when they found the phone.
You have high ranking law offices that track people for
a living. They know a lot about phones and they
were probably like, don't touch that thing. And then what
was the third.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
One on the other end of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wouldn't you think they'd be like, well, we can't have
you call the phone seven times because they're gonna see that.
Like the of their minds, I know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But they also didn't think that this was all going
to get exposed at this time. They thought it was
just going to be a simple boom someone someone did
this and John died and put this person in jail.
They never thought Karen was going to have an army
of law lawyers behind her who were gonna and they
also didn't all the FBI was going to get involved
and find all this information out. Yeah, I forget what
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the third question was.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It was something it's fine, okay. I only have a
little bit of time left with you, So these are
two things I need to get off. I need to
ask you about I text you about this. I think
it has been confirmed at this point, but we do
have somebody on hold asking the same question. Paul, who
is John O'Keefe's brother, was moved. There's rumor circulating the
internet that where Paul was seated. Guys, if you watch
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this trial, you know who Paul is. He's a muscular
looking bald man who sits pretty much front row and
front row, and he has i'd say he's pretty much
eye to eye with Karen and her team. There is
a rumor online, and mind you, Nick, you can confirm
nord n I, but there's a rumor online that Paul
was asked to move because he was just staring at
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Karen and Karen was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Ah yeah, I can't comment on that, okay, but here's.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
What we do know.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He has been moved and I'm assuming today we will
not see him in that front row, and if that
is the case, we will know that something transpired. My
last question to you, because there are so many of
them in court and I need to know we get
about five six, seven, eight, nine ten sidebars per day.
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When a sidebar happens and you are physically in court,
can you hear what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Do you know exactly what the sidebar conversation is? Can
the jury hear what they're saying? Or is it literally
a sidebar in which we're all whispering.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So they are whispering, and they put these sound machines on,
so they try to cut out because some of them
talked wild. Sometimes you can hear like a word or two,
you can try to read their lips, but you really
you can't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, that is so crazy. We've also said in here
a thousand times. I mean, there are so many objections
and sustains and objections and sustain And my favorite is
when Bev will say, jury, you didn't hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Just disregard.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, please disregard like we heard it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It's impossible to delete that from your mind if you
had to say. Jen McCabe's testimony so far. Uh, some
people are saying she's doing a fantastic job and she's believable,
and other people are saying she's just continuing to lie.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Where do you where do you kind of hang on that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Wait, I will say she's coming across as a different person.
She she's doing a better job in the sense of
keeping her temper under control, but she she's still lying.
I mean, we learned that she lied to the Feds.
You know, in the ice cream it's similar to the
ice cream truck. You're just calling people and saying, hey,
did they.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Come to your house too?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Are they on yach Street?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
She lied to the Feds.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
She she called probably the worst group of people she
could have called when the Feds came to her house,
which was Brian Albert, Kerry Robbins, the DA's office, Peggy
and her husband. So you know, why did why did
you call those people when the Fed showed up to
your house? And and Eve, We're gonna get a lot
more of this today. She'll probably be on the stand
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all day today being crossed, maybe even into Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, okay, well, whoever's been doing her makeup in spray stand, Nick,
I would like to hire for myself.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
As always, we appreciate you. There's so many calls on
hold that we didn't get to get to. You can
d m me at Ashley Feldman Twoe's on the Ashley.
If you have a question for Nick, will make sure
to get it in.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Stop ignoring me, stop answering my taxa. I thought we
had something.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
All right, guys, I appreciate you on.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The good bye bye. We'll see you next Friday. There's
nothing worse when someone doesn't get your jokes. There's just
nothing worse.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wow, it is just so amazing to have like such
an inside info on court and what's going on in there?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And how about the old I can't comment on that.
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hi, everybody, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I like to start out every conversation with Nick Rocco
the same way six one seven nine three one one
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
That is six one seven nine three one one nine
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
If you have a question for Nick, no matter what
side of the aisle you fall on in the Karen
Reid retrial, if you have a question for him, feel
free to ask it. That is the one thing I
will say about Nick Rocco is Nick does not shy
away from any single question. He's been like that since
he first joined the show, and we love him for it.
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I myself had to take a step back. I believe
it was Monday or Tuesday. I had text Nick and
he didn't respond and I was up sad.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I was like, what what is he doing? Who does
he think he is? He's not responding to my text?
And then I put the YouTube on and there he was.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Nick, you were in court this week two days, I
believe Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How dare you be in court to support your friend
and not answer my text. And it's so funny because
when we later did speak, I was like, I am
embarrassed because on arab I was treating you like you
or my ex not responding to my messages, but you
were saying how in court obviously a you can't have
your phone out be the service isn't great. I can
only imagine nobody's trying to get kicked out of court.
So it's a good thing you did not respond to
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my text message because we want you, we want.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
You in there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm always giving you guys the update, so if I
don't answer, that's usually a pretty good reason why.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I think it's best if we start out and no,
I know everybody's jeweling to get the Jen McCabe with Nick.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know that, and we will.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But let's start with Ian Wiffin because I think there's
a couple of big points I want to hit. Number
one and I said this earlier. Let's talk battery temperature
because this was new news to me and I don't
know if this came up in round one in the
initial trial, but learning that John's battery temperature continually got colder. Obviously,
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we know the prosecution was trying to lead us into
believe that if his phone kept getting colder, There's absolutely
no way that John o'keef's cell phone went inside.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So let's just start with seventy two degrees, which would
have been the point where John O'Keefe was lying outside
or when he got outside. So at the point of
seventy two degrees, I believe it was an hour and
an hour and thirty four minutes the phone drops twenty
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seven degrees. Now that would make sense potentially if there
was a warm body laying on top of the it's
not going to drop as fast as putting your phone
in a freezer like we so we heard Ann Wiffin
talk about it dropped. I think it was dropping, you know,
every fifteen minutes. It was dropping a tremendous amount. And
so you have an hour and a half the phone
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drops twenty seven degrees, then all of a sudden, from
one thirty six in the morning to six oh six
in the morning, the phone only drops seven more degrees.
So that specific part rate that does not make sense
because you would you would imagine if John O'Keeffe was
lying outside bleeding out his body temperature is dropping as well,
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so the phone would continue to drop over that over
those five hours where it only drops seven degrees. So
the timeline of their temperature of the battery doesn't really
make sense. And if the phone was inside the house,
yes it would not be dropping, which then could make
you believe there was There was probably two places the
phone was either inside the garage or inside the bulkhead
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in the basement.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Now, yeah, that part did stand out to me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think that the fact that it only dropped seven
degrees in these blizzard attempts. But then I thought to myself, well,
if his body is covering it and his warm body
is laying on top of it, then that could change
things as well.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Nick. I know you and we obviously know where you
stand on this.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But I think before Daddy Al and the team were
able to get their hands on Ian Wiffin, a lot
of people were like, WHOA kind of taken back by
this information because I just it kind of felt new
to us, this whole battery temperature thing.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, yeah, I mean it is new information because they
didn't talk about it in the first trial. But another
thing that I mean, I don't want to say it's
common sense. But if you have a body laying outside
in eighteen degree weather for over six hours, you would
imagine that that body is going to be colder than
eighty degrees. Correct, So that was the temperature of John's
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body when they had him, was eighty degrees. He would
have been He would have been stiff as a board, frozen.
If he was outside for six and a half hours
an eighteen degree weather, as he's actively losing blood, his
body would be getting colder and colder and colder. So
to say a warm body is laying on the phone, yes,
that would be correct, but his body shouldn't have been warm.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Let's also talk about Ian Wiffin discussing the radius in
which John's phone could have been because you know, when
he was speaking with prosecution, it was, hey, here's this
circle radius. He could have only gone like thirty five
steps this way and that way. And it was kind
of like, oh, well, it doesn't seem via this GPS
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radius that Ian Wiffin is giving us that there is
any way that he could have made it into the home.
Then defense gets up, Alan Jackson starts talking. Or it
could have been somebody else. I forget who was doing
the cross that day and we we learned, well, yeah,
this is the radius, but does it not seem like
John could have potentially been walking.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Towards the home.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I Wiffin on the stands straight up said that, yes,
the phone could have been inside the house when there
was low accuracy to the GPS data. So those points
that are on the lawn one, they're not the red
dots that he showed specifically, they're not at the flag bole,
They're somewhere in the middle of the lawn. And even
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Ian Wiffen again had said in his report that it's
impossible to have to find out the exact location of
where that phone would have been on the lawn. So
when you take the low accuracy GPS data and the
high accuracy data, it puts them somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Real close to that house.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But the biggest takeaway about his GPS data is that
something that Robert Alessi brought up was the state's accident
reconstructionist has a trigger on her vehicle at twelve thirty
one in thirty six or thirty eight seconds, meaning if
that's the trigger, that means that's when the collision would
have happened. But John started moving at twelve thirty one.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Fifty eight seconds.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
So and then he looks at his phone, he unlocks
his phone with his face ID, then.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He locks his phone. So, how do you have a
how do you have a trigger?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
If you want to call it an accident? How do
you have an accident? Before he even got out of
a car.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, it was so no and listen, it was so
interesting to hear that God forbid something were to happen
to you, that they can get all the way down
to you used face ID to get into your phone.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You locked your phone.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Now, I know that the data kind of got a
little wobbly when it was phone calls that were incoming
compared to phone calls that were outgoing. When we were
trying to figure out, you know, de Jen McCabe Collin,
why were they on the phone for this amount of time.
I know that's where things got tricky. But let's wrap up.
Ian Wiffen. Is there anything else with him that you
want to get out or you know, because I know
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you see the comments online and kind of what people
are saying, and some people are like wow, like you know,
he was really good on stand and he did a
great job.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
How do you feel about his testimony.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So Ian Whiffen, he works for Celebrate Right, so he
created his own software. So the explanation that he showed
in court or the video that he kind of put
together to show in courte about this Google search, he
was using his own tool. There's only Celebrate in his
tool that show this Google search not having and happening
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at two twenty seven. The number one thing that people
need to remember about this Google search is that Jen McCabe.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The Hackamock Sports was on one tab.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
She used a completely different tab and it has a
separate ID for that tab. To Google search haslong to
dying cold. It's not on the Hockamarck Sports that they're
telling us it was on. Richard Green will also testify
to this because he did in the first trial as well.
It's a completely separate tab. That's why it shows two
twenty seven. Wow it at the six twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And six twenty four.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
They want you to believe that those were done on
the Hawkmark Sports tab, but they weren't to be honest.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I was under that impression as well, So I'll be
anxious for that testimony because from what I gather throughout
the week and what we were kind of made to
believe is Jen McCabe went home after dropping off those
two teams. She was laying in bed, her daughter son
whatever it was her kid, had just found out, Hey,
I'm gonna be on this sports team. She looked up
the schedule and then on that same exact tab that
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she had opened up the schedule when apparently Kim Karen
Reid asked her to google those things, she used that tab.
That's what we were led to believe this week. So
I'll be anxious for that testimony. But speaking of Jen McCabe,
let's move on. Nick. I'm not gonna let you lie
to me and and fight me on this. Jen McCabe
got herself a glow up. Okay, mccave got a nice
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spray t hand, she got her hair done, maybe a
little bowtoks.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Her teeth looked nice.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Uh. And she was, in my humble opinion, a different
person from the first trial to this trial. Maybe so
different that she changed up her testimony a little bit,
but she was.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Her demeanor was different. It felt different.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I know Karen was outside of cor and Karen said
she didn't she didn't notice it and she didn't see it,
but it was noticeable to the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh, I mean absolutely. And if you don't think Hank
Brennan told her you got it, you can't do that again,
you'd be lying to yourself. She was clearly coached to
make sure that she was on our best behavior.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
There's anybody that fights that is crazy lance. She was
coached by who will never know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Maybe it was Hank, maybe it was Brian Albert, I
don't know, but somebody said to her, listen, you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Can't be popping off like that. You got it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And I don't know if you also notice, Nick, she
did a fantastic job of looking at the jury looking back.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
She knew what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
She's handling herself a lot better this trial than she
did in the last. A couple things to note with
her testimony in the first trial, she never said that
Karen Reid said three times I hit him, I hit him,
I hit him. This whole consistency of I hit him,
I hit him, I hit him, obviously would be like
the biggest break in the case, right if it happened
about a couple of people say it now, jenn is
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saying she heard it now, but did not say that
she heard it in the first trial.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Are you talking about the first grand jury or the
first trial, because she definitely said hit him, I hit
him in in the first trial, but.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
To the grand jury she did not, right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, well, not only not the grand jury, but not
one police interview that she did not one police report
does it say that Jen said that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
She also called.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Michael link Back, who is part of the Canton Police
Department and also their friend, called him back to thirty
four fav of You Road because she forgot something so
important that she had to tell him that Karen Reid said,
could I have hit him?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Could I have hit him?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So, so it never came out.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It wasn't anyway from Jen McCabe that I hit him,
I hit him, I hit him until years later she
came up with that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So something that stuck out to me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
There's a few things, But one thing is you know,
because by the way, we haven't even got to the
Google search with her yet. I'm assuming Daddy, I was
going to get there today. But you know, she says
that again, this is all her testimony, So she is
claiming that when she got that initial call from John's niece,
that Karen was in the background and she was screaming
and yelling, and Karen said, quote, I left him at
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the waterfall, insinuating to us. I think in her testimony,
like Karen was so drunk that she didn't even remember
driving him to thirty four fair of you.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That was also the first time I had heard that.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
There was something mentioned in the in the first trial
about how how Karen said something like that. But again,
this is this is Jen mccab getting on the stand
trying to make Karen read look bad. That's why if
you notice when she testifies about Karen, she she constantly
says she was frantic, she was crazy, she was crazy,
she wouldn't stop screaming. All she did every two seconds
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she was screaming, you know. So it's really just an
attack on her character because at the end of the day,
it's it's not hard proof that Karen was doing that
or saying any of that stuff. So they need to actually,
you know, you're not gonna be able to provide proof
of this unless you have everybody's testimony lining up exactly,
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and we clearly see that's not happening as of now.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So I agree with you, I think that she is
she is trying to paint this picture that Karen was
frantic and she was crazy. I mean, she her one impression.
I'm trying to get the clip of Karen, you know,
she imitates her stid like everybody was talking about that,
because she is leading us to believe that she was
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nuts and she was yelling, and she that Carrie Roberts
had to tell her to, you know, shut the f
up because she was acting so nuts, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You can kind of see that it's an art and
you can kind of see what the prosecution is trying
to paint verse what the defense is trying to paint.
And there's one thing that I think that Alan Jackson
is doing and I'm not at all by any means
saying that it's the wrong thing, because it obviously plays to.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
The Karen side of things.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But this whole narrative of trying to make it weird
that she went into her sister's house and she sat
at a table with her sister and her family and
they talked about the night.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I just it's hard for me to get behind that
that's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Now, given if you think that he died inside the home,
I understandable, but just to an average civilian, Nick, that
happens to me, that's my brother's house, because I have
a brother.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I'm sitting at that table.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm they're gonna console me, they're gonna say, it's okay,
like we're gonna, you know, figure this out. We're gonna
find out what. I don't think that that part is
that weird?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Are you talking about? After John had after they took
John off the scene, and then they had they get
together exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So Karen's gone because she you know, they they they
put like a hold on her psychiatric hol So she's gone,
and then yes, John's also gone, but they don't know
whether John is a live or not. At this point,
they're waiting on a call from Kerrie Roberts because she
went to go pick up I believe John's family. So yes,
now they're having what you're calling the get together. But
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could that not just be like that's her sister and
she's like, oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Like we're figuring it out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, it'd be one thing if they had already done
their police interviews and they were all separated, but at
this point, nobody got separated. You have, you have everybody
that was at that house. And Brian Higgins now all
inside of a house before they even talked to police officers.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's part's weird without authorities. I get it, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think for average people you would do that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You wouldn't be like, oh wait, let's not talk about
this until a cough gets here.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's your sister, it's your family.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But then they started inviting people over that weren't even
there on the scene at that point. For example, Chris
Albert comes over, Matt McCabe comes over, Brian Higgins comes over.
So it's it's it'd be one thing. It's like, okay,
you know, you figure it out at six seven in
the morning, but this meeting didn't happen until like eight
thirty in the morning, which was a few hours after
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John had already been off off of the scene, and
you know, Jen was still there. Then Matt came, then
then the rest of the crew came and Julie Albert
was bringing donuts in a blizzard to Brian Albert Junior.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And left him in the car.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I mean, it's listen, it lends to the theory,
no question that they're in there and they're like, all right, well,
this is what you're gonna say, This is what you're
gonna say, this is how you're gonna I'm not.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Taking that away.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just think, you know, because people are even giving
her some heat for calling her husband at one point,
and it's like making that call, you're calling your wife, Nick,
I mean certain things you know that I feel like
they're trying to make a little bit feel weird. Is like,
I don't know, as an average person, I might do
the same in that situation. But then on the other side,
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which is why this case is what it is. You
can see why that could lend to the theory of
oh no, they weren't just you know, getting a hug
from their sister.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
They were devising a plan.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, you know who wasn't who wasn't there for
that get together a party that not one person mentioned
who Chloe.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, Chloe wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And by the way, I'm assuming we're going to get
to a little bit more of that today because that
part of the testimony I thought was interesting too. Correct
me if I'm wrong, Nick, And I actually said I
was gonna ask you this. We know, Daddy Al was
trying to prove the point of you you busted into
the house to go wake your sister up. Was Chloe
in the hallway? No, you busted down the hallway, You
walked past rooms with Chloe in any of those rooms,
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I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You go into their bedroom. Did you see Chloe? Was
Chloe barking?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I didn't see the dog. I know, I didn't see
the dog. Where was Chloe? I thought?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In Trio one, we learned that the Albert daughter took
Chloe home that night.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
No, Brian Albert testified that Chloe was either.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Near or in the closet.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The speculation is, so you have you have Caitlyn Albert
leaving the house at one forty five in the morning
when her boyfriend had to wake up super early to
go plowing. So he comes back to pick her up
and she's the last one to leave. This rumor that
Caitlyn Albert took the dog home.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, but we never got confirmation on that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Because no one knew where the dog was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Still, that dog is living in Vermont at the Ben
and Jerry's factory the Hill. Okay, so a couple of things.
Let's go to a couple questions. Let's start with them.
Steph in Providence. Steph has a question for you, Nick,
Hi Staph, good morning.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Hey, good morning, Nick.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm gonna give you a hug when you finally figure
this out, But I just want to ask you what
you think about the fact that, only hours after John
was confirmed dead, you have Karen, who got her father,
who was in a right mind and knows that the
Lexus is the weapon, going to John's house, not even
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giving one word of condolence to Peg, goes into her
bedroom upstairs, doesn't even speak to Peg as she leaves,
as she's stated in multiple interviews, and that documentary means
with the Lexus, the murder, weapons, and the evidence, how
do you feel about that and what do you think
about that?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Also Part two, the steps. You have John steps supposedly
that got him in the house, but there's no steps
out of the house house number one. And how come
no one, ever, how come Alan Jackson never asked anybody
what was actually happening in the house. Those two doors
that entered the house with an open floor plan, it
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doesn't matter what door John came in. Somebody would have
saw more than one person would have saw, and no
one said that they saw, all right, Step.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm gonna hang up with these.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You can hear Nick's answer, thanks for the call, Nick,
let you ride out on that one.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Go ahead. So there's a lot of questions there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
He that was a seven go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So the first one, I mean, Peggy never liked Karen.
They they never really had a close relationship projection.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So just the just the like a glare.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
For example, if you go if the first thing Peggy
said to Karen Reid when she was in the hospitals,
why is she here?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What is she doing here?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know what I mean? So it's it's you could
already get a sense, you can already get a sense.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Of wait a minute, what do you mean? Why am
I here? I'm joing boyfriend?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
What do you think I did something like? So there
was already that tension there. Then she goes to the
house and you have everybody kind of sitting in the
in the kitchen. You don't know exactly how they looked
at her or what exactly was said to her. So
she goes upstairs, she gets her clothes and comes back
down her dad, and her dad was there. Her dad
knows exactly what happened, and he said to outside the court.
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He has no problem testifying to telling you what they
did upstairs. The second question was into the house, not
saying this happened. But there is such thing, and I
might get the word wrong, but like uh, an infrared
or some type of bag that you can put your
phone inside that basically cuts all all all communication and
(21:44):
technology off to it. You have Brian Albert and Brian
Higgins to a high end law law officers who may
have one in the house already, but you have.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You have John go in the house. The phone could
have fell. Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
One of the one other things that no one has
really talked about is when John, when John was running
inside the house, right, the phone could have potentially spell
outside and then they and then they found it. I
don't think that's what happened. I've seen people say that,
but that that is just some people's opinion is that
the phone could have fell outside. But when when John
lost his phone, there's a reason why Jen McCabe called
(22:21):
it seven times. They were not butt dials. They were
most likely to find the phone when they found the phone.
You have high ranking law offices that track people for
a living. They know a lot about phones and they
were probably like, don't touch that thing. And then what
was the third.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
One on the other end of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wouldn't you think they'd be like, well, we can't have
you call the phone seven times because they're gonna see that.
Like the of their minds, I know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But they also didn't think that this was all going
to get exposed at this time. They thought it was
just going to be a simple boom someone someone did
this and John died and put this person in jail.
They never thought Karen was going to have an army
of law lawyers behind her who were gonna and they
also didn't all the FBI was going to get involved
and find all this information out. Yeah, I forget what
(23:06):
the third question was.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It was something it's fine, okay. I only have a
little bit of time left with you, So these are
two things I need to get off. I need to
ask you about I text you about this. I think
it has been confirmed at this point, but we do
have somebody on hold asking the same question. Paul, who
is John O'Keefe's brother, was moved. There's rumor circulating the
internet that where Paul was seated. Guys, if you watch
(23:29):
this trial, you know who Paul is. He's a muscular
looking bald man who sits pretty much front row and
front row, and he has i'd say he's pretty much
eye to eye with Karen and her team. There is
a rumor online, and mind you, Nick, you can confirm
nord n I, but there's a rumor online that Paul
was asked to move because he was just staring at
(23:52):
Karen and Karen was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Ah yeah, I can't comment on that, okay, but here's.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
What we do know.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He has been moved and I'm assuming today we will
not see him in that front row, and if that
is the case, we will know that something transpired. My
last question to you, because there are so many of
them in court and I need to know we get
about five six, seven, eight, nine ten sidebars per day.
(24:19):
When a sidebar happens and you are physically in court,
can you hear what they're saying?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Do you know exactly what the sidebar conversation is? Can
the jury hear what they're saying? Or is it literally
a sidebar in which we're all whispering.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So they are whispering, and they put these sound machines on,
so they try to cut out because some of them
talked wild. Sometimes you can hear like a word or two,
you can try to read their lips, but you really
you can't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, that is so crazy. We've also said in here
a thousand times. I mean, there are so many objections
and sustains and objections and sustain And my favorite is
when Bev will say, jury, you didn't hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Just disregard.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, please disregard like we heard it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It's impossible to delete that from your mind if you
had to say. Jen McCabe's testimony so far. Uh, some
people are saying she's doing a fantastic job and she's believable,
and other people are saying she's just continuing to lie.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Where do you where do you kind of hang on that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Wait, I will say she's coming across as a different person.
She she's doing a better job in the sense of
keeping her temper under control, but she she's still lying.
I mean, we learned that she lied to the Feds.
You know, in the ice cream it's similar to the
ice cream truck. You're just calling people and saying, hey,
did they.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Come to your house too?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Are they on yach Street?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
She lied to the Feds.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
She she called probably the worst group of people she
could have called when the Feds came to her house,
which was Brian Albert, Kerry Robbins, the DA's office, Peggy
and her husband. So you know, why did why did
you call those people when the Fed showed up to
your house? And and Eve, We're gonna get a lot
more of this today. She'll probably be on the stand
(26:05):
all day today being crossed, maybe even into Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, okay, well, whoever's been doing her makeup in spray stand, Nick,
I would like to hire for myself.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
As always, we appreciate you. There's so many calls on
hold that we didn't get to get to. You can
d m me at Ashley Feldman Twoe's on the Ashley.
If you have a question for Nick, will make sure
to get it in.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Stop ignoring me, stop answering my taxa. I thought we
had something.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
All right, guys, I appreciate you on.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The good bye bye. We'll see you next Friday. There's
nothing worse when someone doesn't get your jokes. There's just
nothing worse.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wow, it is just so amazing to have like such
an inside info on court and what's going on in there?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And how about the old I can't comment on that.
Som spop it off in court
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