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February 19, 2025 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hi, everybody, good morning. So the headlines went crazy yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Judge BEV has.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Grave concerns and the Karen Reid motions hearing yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I said, grave concern? What the hell is going on?
Here's what you said.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
The Krumwalts just provided the court with information that causes
me grave concern. The implications of that information may have
profound effects on this defense and Defense Council.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
So dramatic.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Listen, the devil worst hard, but I work harder. I
immediately hit up Nick and I said, what is this?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Tons of messages from you guys being like, ash, can
we please get Nick on because.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
What what is going on? A lot of times, you
know Nick, and thanks for thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Things happen in court and I have to say to you, listen,
pretend you're talking to somebody that has no knowledge of
the courtroom and the court of law and all of
these things. How would you explain it seems like this
kind of came out of nowhere. I was listening to
a little bit of inside the courtroom yesterday, and I
noticed there was a lot of talk about Sarah Birchmore's

(01:26):
case and kind of getting the public records from different
detectives and conversations that happen in that case, because there's
there's some comparisons and there's some the players that are
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I was hearing a lot about that, and then
all of a sudden something changes.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Judge Bev gets put something in front of her and
she has a grave concern. Now for people who only
read that headline, oh my god, there's an unexpected recess
because Judge Beverly Canoni has a grave concern.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
What is her grave concern? And what does that mean
for Karen Reid?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
So the great the basically, the most simplest way to
put this is Hank Brennan and Judge Beverly Canoni do
not like Alan Chackson. And what Hank Brennan did yesterday
was misrepresent the facts. He basically there were emails and

(02:25):
there was some type of payments to the ARCA experts
who will hide by the FBI. And what is an expert, Uh,
they're the reconstruction They're the reconstruction experts. So they basically
were the ones that came to the conclusion that Jon
o'peefe was not struck by a vehicle and Karen Read's
vehicle did not strike John O'Keefe.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Okay, So so basically he's trying to say, hey, we
see these emails and receipts to the ARCA experts where
potentially Alan Jackson was paying them to say a certain something.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
That's the way that he's trying to put it out there. Basically,
what he did was, uh, he inflamed and he got
Judge Beverly Cononi all riled up with misrepresentations of what
the defense team actually reported to the court about the
art experts. Now, the biggest issue with this right is

(03:16):
that the defense discovery timeline is not due yet, so
all of this stuff could be.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Turned over up until the up until the last day.
They still have time to turn over their discovery. So
Brennan is jumping the gun saying, well, we didn't receive this,
so we didn't get this, and she's I mean, Judge
Beverly Canoni the way she acted yesterday, saying that she's
engraved concern. How about the fact that the Commonwealth is
still turning video over three years later.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
That doesn't concern her. The only reason why this is
such a big concern to her is because it involves
Alan Jackson, and she sees this as a way to
intimidate the defense team to basically say, oh, look, I
can now, I can now take away Alan's pro ha
vicci and take him off this case. And for those
of you don't know what a pro hac vichi is,

(04:08):
it's basically Alan doesn't have a license to practice in
the state of Massachusetts, so he's practicing under David Dinetti's
law license. So she is allowing him to test to
defend Karen Reid under someone else's license. She can strip
out away if she wants.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
So essentially it just to kind of get this down
to its bare bones as much as we can, Nick,
and I know it's hard to do that because you know,
there's so many moving parts here. But essentially what Hank
Brennan put in front of Judge Bev yesterday led her
to have a grave concern because now she feels like
there is a chance that Alan Jackson was paying these

(04:52):
ARKA experts to reconstruct in a way that would assist
Karen in her defense. So that Yeah, So I'm not
saying that's what happened, but I'm saying that's the way
Hank is trying to present it.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's what Judge Bev saw. That's why she has this
grave concern.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I think I think it's more about the communication
between the defense team and ARCA than it is the
actual twenty three thousand dollars payment for travel expenses and
so forth. Got it because before the wardre which is
when they had to bring them in the first time
to see if they qualified, Alan Allen addressed the court

(05:30):
and said, we've never spoken to these people, we have
no communications with these people, which at that at that
moment was correct and true. And then after the warddere
there was a little bit of communication back and forth,
and then majority of the communication was.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
After the first trial.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
So Pank Brennan was trying to make it seem like
these these emails were hidden and that the federal government,
the FBI, is the one that handed these emails over,
and that's where he lied, because the defense team is
actually the one that he handed all these emails over.
So Alan wasn't hiding anything. He handed them over to Hank.
Hank is just saying in court that they got them

(06:07):
from the FBI. And then after Judge Canoni got her,
you know, took her ball and left, he then goes
up and goes, actually, it was the defense team that
gave it to me. When he saw how mad she was,
he backpedaled and finally said, it was the defense team
that gave it to me, taught the federal government.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So after that recess yesterday, did they come back into
the courtroom.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, everybody was still in the courtroom while she was out,
I think, like on her twenty five or whatever minute break,
whatever it was, everybody was still sitting there waiting, expecting
to go over all the other motions, right, and then
she just was like you know, if you watch the video,
she was she was out of breath, talking, she was shaking,
and it was like, personally myself, I believe she was.

(06:53):
It was an apt She was pretending to be so
mad that she had a call. She had a call
today any sitting judge would be would if they were
that mad at if she was that mad at the
defense tive, she would make them explain right then and
right there, Well what you did was wrong? Explain this
to me right now. She wouldn't she wouldn't be that
flustered where she has to go home, like I mean,

(07:14):
what was that.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Maybe her stumm a hert like I don't, I don't know,
as she was mad though, Yeah, but as a you
probably heard the craziest thing that shouldn't upset you like
that much though.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, how about that again, right, so so you
you mentioned the Sandra Birchmore case. So so there Hank
Brennan was saying, oh, you know, she's a victim, which
she is a victim, but yet the state hasn't even
charged uh Matthew Farwell with any crimes, right, only the
federal government has. And Judge beb knows all these facts,
not that she's the one to charge them. But it's

(07:46):
like that stuff should get you real mad.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well And and listen as I was listening to the courtroom,
and I remember Hank Brennan using that line, you know
Sarah Burchmore was a victim.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
How he could try to act like there aren't pair
lels between.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
The two cases is kind of crazy to me because
we're talking about a person who is dead now because
of errors in the system, because of errors on a
on a police officer's behalf right, couldn't we say the
same thing right? And couldn't we say the same thing
like the Canton police really botched this case. There are

(08:22):
a lot of errors on the police officers, and there's
similarities here. It's not I wasn't shocked in the lace
that they were asking for some of the transcripts from
the Sarah Burchmore case. Again that in that some of
the people here are the same and the name is
escaping me, but one of which is the one who
the guy that went through all of the.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Cell phone records Nicholas Garino.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Nicholas Garno, I mean like pumme in corporal like I'm
getting sick of that.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, all right, so that that so where are we
at now? Obviously she has this grave concern.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
She leaves like what's what? What's going on now?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
So now they're going to show up on Tuesday, which
you know, there's those two sides to every story, and
all you know the public got to hear was Pank
Brennan's side, or I should say misrepresentations. She didn't give
the defense defense a chance yesterday to explain what really
is going on, which will happen on Tuesday, So you're

(09:20):
definitely gonna want to watch that because there's gonna be
fireworks that go off if you think here's the thing
with Alan Jackson, the defensing Alan Jackson is an absolute animal.
He has he's taken down, and he's gone up against
a lost, a lot smarter and worse people than Judge Bev.
So if they think that they're gonna take him off
this case, they should probably think again, because, like I said,

(09:43):
Alan is an animal. And the other good thing that
the defense team has is if they so happened to
potentially get him off this case, this grounds for appeal
on it, or he just goes and takes the Massachusetts
by license, becomes a becomes an attorney in Massachusetts, and
then she can't kick him off the case. So when
I tell you, don't underestimate Alan Jackson, and do not

(10:03):
underestimate this defense team because they've they've seen and dealt
with a lot worse than Judge Beverly Canoni and Hank Brennan.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And don't you worry.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I never underestimated Alan Jackson. I've seen that man in court.
I know what he can do, all right. So next Tuesday,
the defense will will hop off. It'll be their chance
to explain these twenty three thousand dollars bills to the
ARCA experts. And I know at the very end Hank
Brendan yesterday was like he kind of backed up a
little bit like you said, and he was like, listen,
I'm fine with the experts come into court.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't have an issue. I just want to make
sure that it's fair balanced and nothing is hidden.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So Alan Jackson his team Karen will have the chance
to show that it's fair balanced and not they're not
trying to hide anything on Tuesday, and we'll see where
that gets us.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I am sure we'll need you back on Tuesday. And
in the meantime, I hope Judge Beff is okay. I
mean this woman, I mean the dramatics.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So one last thing is that last time I was
on when we were talking about the s JC denying
their appeal and they were going to appeal it to
the federal Supreme Court level. So the other day they
I think it was yesterday, they submitted a six hundred
and ninety nine page basically an appeal to the Supreme
Court at the federal level saying hey, listen, we need

(11:22):
this case hurt in front of you guys, and within
the same day they they set a date for February
twenty sixth the Commonwealth pass to file their opposition and
then March fifth, at nine thirty am at the Mostly
Building is when the when they're going to be hurt
in front of a federal judge about this appeal. So

(11:43):
for things to happen that fast, basically to get in
front of a federal judge within two weeks of filing
an appeal is a good signed.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So and wait just to just to stop down because
I know what exactly are they what's the specific appeal
here that she's being retried?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
The double jeopardy, right, basically the double jeopardy. Yeah, the
Supreme Court, the s JAC denied that, and now it's
now it's even above them, which the state has nothing
to do with this anymore. So the Commonwealth is out
of the question as far as having any polls, they
did have any pull. Now we're at the federal level
where you know, federal information may not be protected to

(12:23):
that judge. That judgement may be able to learn everything
that's going on in this case. That's why it was
six hundred and ninety nine pages of an appeal for
Karen Reid. So basically the prosecution has to respond by
February twenty six, and then they'll be in court at
nine point thirty in the morning on March fifth to
give oral arguments and most likely will probably see a

(12:45):
decision before April first.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
All right, so you love to see it.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
We like when things are quick in the courtroom. Nick
is always thanks for joining us. We'll probably have you
back on next Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
You're the best, thanks, man.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, it's it's just so much. It's a lot. Everybody
dramatics over the top, like all messed up. But you
know what I'm saying, Like, if you're at that position,
you've probably seen the worst of the worst. Her the
worst of everything. But yesterday like threw her for a loop.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
She really Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
But then as we were having that conversation, I got
to think, and who could play her in the movie?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I have an idea.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
What about the woman that was in Severance? Uh, the
she played the boss and.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
On her you know, Meryl Streep. Yeah, she because she
when she gets attitude and she I could see it.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
You would have to frumpy her up a bit and
then she'd be judge.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Bev's guilty, she knows, don't even sit down.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Bald Man guilty as charged. Thanks Nick,
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