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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody, Good morning, Cheers to the freaking weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I mean I was telling AJ this this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
This doesn't matter to you some but like it's Memorial
Day weekend, it's Boston Calling Music Festival weekend. Today, ninety
five percent chance of rain, tomorrow sixty percent chance of
rain with highs you know.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Mid fifties, mid fifties feels so, I mean it feels
cool because it is. Well.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This is the thing I just feel for all of
these females that went out and picked out their Memorial
Day weekend outfits for Boston Calling Music Festival. Their nips
are going to be out and you're gonna need jackets now,
like Winter parkas.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The silver lining, though, can be that the lines won't
be as long though.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
And the weather changed, because now on Sunday I just
see cloudy and sixty two and Monday sixty six and
partly clayon sixty six degrees is going to go ahead
and feel hot to us at this point, But I
said it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We're on the horizon at least next week.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There are some days that it's seventy five degrees, but
you know, a little bit more rain.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I mean, I guess besides the festival, though this isn't
really like a big, like celebratory like weekend. Like it's
not like the Fourth of July right, where like we
have a lot of barbecues as fireworks and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think it or is it?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I think for some people, I don't think it's July
fourth level. But I mean in Marsfield people have American
flags out there decorating for it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, I guess, you know, you want to memorialize the
people who have passed and like all the wars, I
understand now, but I think like the fourth of July
is more of a celebration for America.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, I don't think anything is as big as the fourth,
but I think people were looking forward to it, and
it's supposed to signify the start of summer summer.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But the long weekends here, so I guess now that's the.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Listening we're gonna We're gonna try to find the positives here. Yes,
we have a long weekend for most Someone's definitely gonna
call us and be like, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know Foreign is still.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Gone by the way, he I'm assuming is on his
way back to Manche at this point, because they just
keep going so bad for his parents. They're in sunny Florida.
Come on, guys, come back to Manchester.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I mean, let's not forget the game companion, which I
guess you would assume it's sunny.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Or out right.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So yeah, Sonny, sunny, rain and manage. I don't know
much match only what you and foreign tell me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But I'll tell you what. Don't have a desire to
go homeless?
Speaker 5 (02:04):
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Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hi, everybody, good morning, Cheers to the freaking weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Specific one.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm Memorial Day weekend. It might be a little rainy,
but we for the most part have off Monday, and
it's the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I get drunks on a shock to you, whether it
rains or not.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm not surprised shocking.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm going out tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We got a couple messages of people wondering what in
the world is going on with AJ's dating life. And
if you're like the three guys that love to call
in and be like no one cares, put on kissing
away like it's it's fine, but people want to know
where you're at, what's going on, what's the.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Quality of men looking like on hinge these days?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Feeling like I'm in the desert. I'm surrounded by nothing
but tumble go by every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But you did you did actually go on a date
the other day?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I did.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, I did go on a date.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
And I got nothing great to ad about it yet
a date?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Why though?
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I just like it was one of those days that
I was like I should have stayed home, or like
when he ordered a second drink, I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Was like, damn it, I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
But did you already have this feeling going into the
date because you have done that before?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
I mean I will say that, like I'm trying to
still put myself out there and be positive, but there
was part of me that was like, do I really
want to go on this date? But I was watching
TV commercials in baseball mmm mmm.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Do you ever think to yourself some when you hear that,
maybe the guy thought the same thing.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I have questioned that because the one challenging thing sometimes
with AJ and conversating with her, her mind is very
close and shut down. So from his perspective, he must
be like, I'm trying to have a conversation. I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Chip into this.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Maybe if I would or another drink, she'll answer.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Question, or she'll loosen up a bit and kind of
like open up some doors here. So I think from
his perspective, do you think there's a chance he would
just like, Wow, this this one's tough.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
This is tough.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I mean, hey, if that's the case, then we both
felt the same.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And did you hit him with the hey, I don't
see this going anywhere already?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, I was going to, you know, the night I
got home. He told me to let him know when
I got home. I did, and then he said thank
you for a great date. I said thank you as well,
and I expected I would hear from him again, and
I didn't. After I just think, like three or four days,
I just didn't hear anything. So I unmatched him. So
I don't know if I ghosted him, but he didn't
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write me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Everybody felt the same you feel.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The crazy thing is is that even the guy that
you didn't like didn't like you black, he.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Didn't like her faster? Thank God like her fast?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well that's wild, will It's uh, it's Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Weekend.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I don't know, like what your plans are? Are we
are we hinging? Are we bumbling? You know?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I actually did match with a guy on Facebook dating
last night that I was like, ooh, like I'd like
to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He liked me first, so I matched with him. I
wrote him a message and I haven't heard back.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So I'm like, last night me, yeah, I mean giving
a little time. We would like somebody to do that
to you. It just it seemed to be to it's
taking a little bit too off.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
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Speaker 1 (05:33):
Hi everybody, good.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Morning, Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
By the way, son, we should be telling everyone this
is your fault because you weren't holding it up to
tell me to tell people.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Oh, I just told you, but you gave him the finger.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's today, It's Memorial Day weekend and starting at noon,
we're gonna start our mix shows plus all weekend long
talk back situation. You can win tickets to see the
weekend plus his merch. I always love slash hate when
we have a call from the week that is so
like monument stands out so much that I get dms, dms,
dms ash. I need to know what's going on. I
(06:04):
need to follow up, guys. Nobody needs follow ups more
than me. Okay, I love the tea. I'm nosy as hell.
I love gossip, mostly when it doesn't involve me. We
got this call this week, and everybody wants to know
what this woman's Facebook is.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's just say the amount of girlfriends he has, the
amount of pictures.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Let's just say.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm airing everything out on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Like posting them everything.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Everything, and I'm posting phone numbers too, and apparently.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
A couple of the girls they're in relationships.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Also, because he's a corrections officer, everyone's business is airing
out today.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The way that call ended Tucson was nuts because she's like,
he's calling and then she just hung up.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Can I tell you what I feel. I feel like
she didn't go through with it. I feel like he
convinced her that he loved her, he was sorry, and
that all those other girls are.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just not you know, I got not one, but two messages.
We found out that he was Correctionals officer CEO. I
got two messages from two different girls being like, can
you find that woman and ask her if the guy's
name starts with an M.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I won't say as in the real name, but let's
just say M.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Like, mom, So, what's like the thing that corrections offerers
are out there cheating a lot?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, whenever we have talked about CEOs, people will call
in and say CEO's cheat listen.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't know. I actually don't feel like she went through.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
With it either, because I feel like we would have
seen something, somebody would have sent me something like I
always say, we stay vigilant. On the show, the listeners
that they were doing follow ups, people were looking online
to find something I praition and post those girls nams.
I also feel like, unless they were directly in their
messages talking about her, maybe they didn't know she even existed.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Probably yeah, I mean that's probably the case. I also
am convinced if she's with that guy for that long
and he had all these girls on the side, she
clearly was ignoring the red flags or she didn't care.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But also, if you're listening, yeah, call us back, and
if his name does start with an M, I have
some women that want to talk to you easy.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
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Speaker 1 (08:02):
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Speaker 2 (08:07):
Hi, everybody, good morning, Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Cheers at the freaking weekend, Memorial Day weekend. We had
quite a week in court, but a short week in court, Nick,
I know you were in there, and obviously I got
to start with the jury jirama.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So court starts, what was that? What day was that?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It was Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It was Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And Bev Canoni comes out and she's like, listen, I
have to talk to each juror one one by one.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I have an issue.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Come to find out, there has been giggling in the
courtroom between two jurors. So I guess the way she
decided to handle it was to move them apart from
each other where they were sitting. In your time in
the courtroom, because you go weekly. When you heard this,
do you know which jurors she's referring to?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
I don't know off the top of my head. I Uh,
potentially yes, I could guess, but I'll definitely know next
week when I go on Tuesday, because I know where
everyone was sitting. But if if you remember last week,
she basically publicly shamed them and made a comment of
(09:20):
like you you guys need to control your emotion and
your facial expressions.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
And she did that.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
While the cameras were still rolling, and so everybody you
know at home heard her reprimand them. And then today, uh,
yesterday she had said it's you know, we have to
talk to you guys, and she obviously was not happy
about that. And I'm sure Hank Brennan had an issue
with the Jerry getting along with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Is an interesting dynamic because we know for a fact
they're not supposed to be discussing the case at any point,
not until we get you know, like final statements and
all of those things. So when they take their breaks
and their lunch, they obviously are talking about other things.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Maybe they're becoming friendly.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sati is starting to start a rumor, of course, that
they're they're hooking up.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
They're definitely like they're on just so much stress and
they're away from their families. They can't talk about anything.
This is definitely a blooming relationship.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Well it's not like they're a question and they're staying
in a hotel. So after court, you know, they do
go home to their families. But yeah, I don't see
anything wrong with these Jerry members forming a friendship, and
it actually it would make deliberations a lot easier if
everybody got along, because then everybody would hear each other's
opinions on the case, versus if you have people who
don't like each other, they're going to be hostile in
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that deliberation room, and you might have people be stubborn
and not budge one way or the other or listen
to anyone's opinion. So I think having them friendly with
each other actually benefits everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
All right, Well, I think this kind of makes sense
then to start witness wise with Shannon Burgess, because there
was a rumor that whilst he was up on the stand,
one of the jury actually rolled their eyes at him.
I think there was a big difference between what the
prosecution thought he was supposed to prove versus what actually
happened to that poor man while he was on the stand.
(11:11):
So for somebody that has no idea who Shannon Burgess is,
why did the prosecution call him and what in fact
happened to that man with a very very very red
face on the stand.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So the data points that he was trying to put
out was basically based off two trigger events. One was
the three point turn when she missed Fairview Road, and
then one was the backing up event. And what they
are claiming is when they did when Karen did the
three point turn, her Lexus clock was different than John's clock,
and they did not notice any of this until around
(11:50):
May eighth, when he submitted his new report stating that, hey,
we actually have to adjust the clocks because the timeline
doesn't add up. If you have a trigger event at
twelve thirty one thirty eight and John using his phone
at twelve thirty two and nine seconds, this doesn't make sense.
So he went back and he apparently looked and he's
trying to adjust the clocks and says there's a variant
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of twenty one to twenty nine seconds, and if you
add those twenty nine seconds, then you know their timeline
adds up and meets perfectly. But no other expert from Aperture,
which is Welcher, who we haven't heard from yet, put
this in his report. He's stating the trigger event and
he's claiming that the time of this accident or basically
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Karen striking John with the vehicle was at twelve thirty
one thirty eight seconds. So Shannon Burgess gets on the
stand and he's trying to relay this information to the
jury and it's just not coming out the way that
they wanted it to.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It's not great, not at all.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And specifically there was there was a point in time
when Bob o Lessie was questioning him about the times
being inaccurate and stuff, and Burgess answer he kept saying this,
you know, based off the Lexus clock, which isn't adjusted.
And every time he would say that, the jury kind
of like that was when they were rolling their eyes
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because it's like Bob was trying to get him to say,
all it was was the Lexus clock. You don't need
to add that extra before it was adjusted, and he
kept doing it, and the jury that's when they were
kind of like rolling their eyes, like is this guy
serious or.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Because essentially his theory was and with his background, which
we found out wasn't actually the right background, but he
was trying to say through his studies, what you can
do is take a video like the clock on John
O'Keefe's cell phone plus the clock of the Lexus and
kind of join them to make them synonymous. Right, That's
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kind of what in Layman's terms, he was trying to
say that he did.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah, but he didn't do any of this during his
initial report. He didn't even look at some of these
trigger events. He basically was just looking at the data
and the GPS points and an Initially he said, you know,
the trigger event, which everybody agreed upon was at twelve
thirty one thirty six, And it wasn't until in with
and testified and the defense expert handed over there report
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that all of a sudden, now he's like, oh, we
have a problem here. We need to figure out how
we can make this timeline match up. And that's ultimately
what he's trying to do now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And then and then Bobo basically was also like, Hey,
I'm looking at a few of your resumes and wait,
did you have a bachelor's of science? Did you have
a bachelor and they created I thought he did a
fantastic job, no matter what side you're on of creating
a little reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If you're lying here on your LinkedIn, what the hell
else are you lying about?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
So he's claiming he got he was pursuing a bachelor's
degree at a university called Alabama in Birmingham. But the
degree that he's saying he's pursuing isn't even offered at
the school that he says he goes to or went
to or is pursuing. So you know, seventeen years of
pursuing a degree that is that's a very long time.
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You can basically go through grade school and high school
in that amount of time. So on one CV it
says pursuing, on another CV it says he was getting
his degree in twenty twenty two, and then another one
that was actually submitted in federal court said that he
that he was getting his bachelor's degree in twenty twenty four.
So yeah, basically, the defense team points out, listen, if
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you're lying about your degree, how can we believe anything else.
And one of the biggest things that barb Alesi pointed
out was Shannon Burgess's timeline. He has his timeline that
this event triggering event, and that Karen struck John with
the vehicle on January thirty. It's twenty twenty two, one
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full day, twenty four hours before or after this event
actually took place, So the guy doesn't even know what
day this incident took place on and he doubled down
and setting court. Yeah, if I said the twenty ninth,
I'm it was the thirtieth.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, it's you know, listen, I'm not going to act
like I know what it would feel like to be
on the stand. But I think if you watched him
and his testimony before your eyes, you could see somebody crumbling.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean, it just is what it is. The nerves.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, he started out ghostly, pale like myself, and
then started to turn multiple different shades of red to
the point where in the end he almost looks purple.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I'm surprised to have a heart.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Which makes you feel like he's embarrassed about something if
not lying right, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, there's nerves. There's a lot of nerves there. I mean, listen,
the bottom line is you can It's all up to
the jury. Do they believe Yeah, he may have fudged
this on his resume, but do they believe that he
has a point with his two different clock theories type
of thing. All right, let's move on to the brain surgeon.
Because I don't know about you, Nick, but I felt
like he was a strong witness for the prosecution because
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very matter.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Of fact, not a lot of dancing from him.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
This is what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We learned from him that he one hundred percent thinks
that that gash on the back of John O'Keefe's head
was from a fall backwards, which you know, could could
help either side, depending on what theory you want to
go with.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He said he did not die immediately from the gash
on the back of his head. The hypothermia definitely played
a part in that, you know. And I think a
lot of people expected to hear that the way John
had those I hate saying the word raccoon eyes, but
that's how a lot of people describe them as black
eyes were from maybe a punch inside the house. We
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learned from the brain surgeon know that in fact, those
can come from having a t a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I just, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I thought he was just very matter of fact in
his testimony. I don't know how you felt about him
up there, but to me, I thought he was one
of the stronger witnesses for the prosecution this week.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I wouldn't I would say he was more of a wash,
you know. He he basically claims that John O'Keefe fell back,
hit his head which you know, could be falling outside,
it could be falling on the basement floor, it could
be falling anywhere. So that doesn't necessarily point one way
or the other towards Karen's guilt or innocence. But as
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far as the raccoon eyes, I myself don't think those
were from, you know, being punched in the face. But
one thing that Bob Lessi points out was the cuts
that he had on it above his eye. And he
asked him, you know, did that cut come from him
falling backwards? And he said, he said no, anything on
the face, on the further face could not be from
falling backwards and hitting your head. And then he basically
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pointed out, could this be from you know, getting hit
in the face and then falling back? And so those
two injuries are two separate injuries.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I argue the point because I know that everybody wants
to have that a lot of people have this theory
that Colin Albert and his bloody knuckles and he punched
John and John fell backwards. Let's just say that John's
eyes were the way they were because of his traumatic injury.
Just the small cut above his eye was enough to
knock him back and kill him in the home. I mean,
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you could argue that as well.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But here, here's the thing is, so we see the
raccoon eyes, right, Let's just say he got punched in
the face. Right, you don't always get cut open when
you get punched in the face. Let's say someone punches
you in the eye and you and you get a
black eye, but no cut. You wouldn't be able to
tell the difference between racon eyes and a previous black
eye from being punched in the face because his eyes
are so swollen from the raccoon eyes that you wouldn't
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be able to really tell if it was being punched
in the eye it was bruising from it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Were not doctor, So I definitely wouldn't be able to differentiate.
I just like the brain surgeon said that that's what
they were from. So I'm gonna roll with him just
because he is the professional, not.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
That that's what I believe too.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, all right, what else from the week stood
out to you? Anything else you want to.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Get in the biggest One of the biggest points that
I was talking about last trial was the fact that
the glass on Karen Reid's bumper does not match to
any of the cocktail glass found at the scene. And
then there was one piece of glass on the bumper
that matches up to one piece of glass that Michael
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Proctor found on the street. But neither one of those
pieces of glass match up to the cocktail glass.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Sounds a little glass room.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean that one's hard to fight. I love
playing Devil's Advocate with you, but on that one's hard
to fight.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
She she basically said she cannot. She cannot. This is
the forensic scientist that was up there. She said that
there's just not a match. There was no match to
that cocktail glass from the water. Because a lot of
people believe he was upset he threw the glass at
the car.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
She reverses, she hits him, She.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Leaves, which if that was the case, though, if she
if he had thrown the glass of the car, then
how did the glass end up next to him on
the lawn, So that that that easily gets debunked. But yeah,
I mean, there's no explanation of how this glass got
on her bumper, and not only got on the bumper,
how it stayed and traveled over sixty miles worth of
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traveling in a blizzard, how it stayed on the bumper
because it was not embedded into the bumper, It was
just sitting on top of it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It was cold, it was frozen.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Oh oh. And then one other quick thing is the hair.
The mitochondrial DNA is how they tested that hair, so
they cannot even say with one certainty that it was
John's hair. The hair when you test mitelchondrial DNA, anybody
that comes from Peggy Peggyo Keeps side of the family
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is going to have the same mitochondrial DNA. So it
could have been John's hair. It could have been the
knee or the nephew. It could have been the brother,
It could have been Peggy's hair. It could have been
anyone's hair. So this concrete evidence of John's hair being
on the bumper now is not so concreepy. It could
be pretty much anyone in that family.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I agree, I get what you're saying. I do think
it was John's hair. For it could be John's hair
because like that he was around that car. Whatever, I
think was John's hair. But the defense did an amazing
job at poking holes in that testimony. But what I
was going to ask you is a lot of times
we don't see reaction from the o'kee family. Did you
see Peggy during that testimony? That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
I personally don't look at them because anytime you do
look over there, the court offices come over and the
yell at you for looking around.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So I keep your eyeballs on the stand. Well, she
rolled her eyes on.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
She rolled her eyes during that because because they were
trying to insinuate could have been Peggy's heir.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I mean, and by the way, they're not.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They're doing the right thing that that's their job, right
the poke holes I'm not saying, but she didn't like that.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
You really can't say. I mean, for example, the nephew,
he has short hair like he's he's in Karen's carr like,
you can't physically say it's not his hair. You cannot.
Nobody can say with certainty that it's one hundred percent
John's hair. You just can't do it.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So that's reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Interesting, all right, So a lot of off time, do
we know what daddy is going to be doing over
the weekend? Like can I catch him in the seaport?
Like what are the plans? Karen was asked, what are
you going to do? With all this off time, Nick,
and she goes, I'm going to take my heels off,
I'm not gonna set my alarm, and I'm going to
sleep for a little bit. This is a lot of time,
and I think, you know, everybody on both sides deserves
(23:16):
a breather, including us.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay, Nick too, Nick, you deserve a breather.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I think Alan's going to head home. You know, he's
got he's got a wife and daughter at home, so
he's going to go spend some time with them. I'm
not sure what mister Alessi's gonna do, whether he's going
to go head back to New York for a little bit.
I'll spend some time with his family here in Massachusetts.
But I think five days off will be good. Then
we'll get the one or two last experts from the prosecution.
(23:43):
They'll rest their case, and then it's time for the
defense to lay their case out. So we could be
looking at maybe a week and a half two more
weeks of trial testimony and then off to deliberation, which.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is so crazy to even hear you say that, so crazy.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, it definitely went faster. So I will give Hank
Brennan props for that he didn't drag it out like
Adam Lalley did. Fact, but I still don't think that
Hank has proved his case that Karen struck him with
the vehicle. So again it's up to the jury. But
we all know the public opinion in this case. I
would say it's you know, ninety percent Karen Reid didn't
do this, So we'll have to wait and see, all.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, Nick, As always, I appreciate you joining us. Have
a nice long Memorial Day weekend. Back in court on Tuesday,
and we will talk to you next Friday.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
You got to have a good day.
Hi, everybody, Good morning, Cheers to the freaking weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I mean I was telling AJ this this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
This doesn't matter to you some but like it's Memorial
Day weekend, it's Boston Calling Music Festival weekend. Today, ninety
five percent chance of rain, tomorrow sixty percent chance of
rain with highs you know.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Mid fifties, mid fifties feels so, I mean it feels
cool because it is. Well.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This is the thing I just feel for all of
these females that went out and picked out their Memorial
Day weekend outfits for Boston Calling Music Festival. Their nips
are going to be out and you're gonna need jackets now,
like Winter parkas.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The silver lining, though, can be that the lines won't
be as long though.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
And the weather changed, because now on Sunday I just
see cloudy and sixty two and Monday sixty six and
partly clayon sixty six degrees is going to go ahead
and feel hot to us at this point, But I
said it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We're on the horizon at least next week.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There are some days that it's seventy five degrees, but
you know, a little bit more rain.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I mean, I guess besides the festival, though this isn't
really like a big, like celebratory like weekend. Like it's
not like the Fourth of July right, where like we
have a lot of barbecues as fireworks and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think it or is it?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I think for some people, I don't think it's July
fourth level. But I mean in Marsfield people have American
flags out there decorating for it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, I guess, you know, you want to memorialize the
people who have passed and like all the wars, I
understand now, but I think like the fourth of July
is more of a celebration for America.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, I don't think anything is as big as the fourth,
but I think people were looking forward to it, and
it's supposed to signify the start of summer summer.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But the long weekends here, so I guess now that's the.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Listening we're gonna We're gonna try to find the positives here. Yes,
we have a long weekend for most Someone's definitely gonna
call us and be like, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know Foreign is still.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Gone by the way, he I'm assuming is on his
way back to Manche at this point, because they just
keep going so bad for his parents. They're in sunny Florida.
Come on, guys, come back to Manchester.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I mean, let's not forget the game companion, which I
guess you would assume it's sunny.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Or out right.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So yeah, Sonny, sunny, rain and manage. I don't know
much match only what you and foreign tell me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But I'll tell you what. Don't have a desire to
go homeless?
Speaker 5 (02:04):
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Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hi, everybody, good morning, Cheers to the freaking weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Specific one.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm Memorial Day weekend. It might be a little rainy,
but we for the most part have off Monday, and
it's the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I get drunks on a shock to you, whether it
rains or not.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm not surprised shocking.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm going out tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We got a couple messages of people wondering what in
the world is going on with AJ's dating life. And
if you're like the three guys that love to call
in and be like no one cares, put on kissing
away like it's it's fine, but people want to know
where you're at, what's going on, what's the.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Quality of men looking like on hinge these days?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Feeling like I'm in the desert. I'm surrounded by nothing
but tumble go by every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But you did you did actually go on a date
the other day?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I did.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, I did go on a date.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
And I got nothing great to ad about it yet
a date?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Why though?
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I just like it was one of those days that
I was like I should have stayed home, or like
when he ordered a second drink, I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Was like, damn it, I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
But did you already have this feeling going into the
date because you have done that before?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
I mean I will say that, like I'm trying to
still put myself out there and be positive, but there
was part of me that was like, do I really
want to go on this date? But I was watching
TV commercials in baseball mmm mmm.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Do you ever think to yourself some when you hear that,
maybe the guy thought the same thing.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I have questioned that because the one challenging thing sometimes
with AJ and conversating with her, her mind is very
close and shut down. So from his perspective, he must
be like, I'm trying to have a conversation. I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Chip into this.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Maybe if I would or another drink, she'll answer.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Question, or she'll loosen up a bit and kind of
like open up some doors here. So I think from
his perspective, do you think there's a chance he would
just like, Wow, this this one's tough.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
This is tough.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I mean, hey, if that's the case, then we both
felt the same.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And did you hit him with the hey, I don't
see this going anywhere already?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, I was going to, you know, the night I
got home. He told me to let him know when
I got home. I did, and then he said thank
you for a great date. I said thank you as well,
and I expected I would hear from him again, and
I didn't. After I just think, like three or four days,
I just didn't hear anything. So I unmatched him. So
I don't know if I ghosted him, but he didn't
(04:41):
write me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Everybody felt the same you feel.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The crazy thing is is that even the guy that
you didn't like didn't like you black, he.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Didn't like her faster? Thank God like her fast?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well that's wild, will It's uh, it's Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Weekend.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I don't know, like what your plans are? Are we
are we hinging? Are we bumbling? You know?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I actually did match with a guy on Facebook dating
last night that I was like, ooh, like I'd like
to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He liked me first, so I matched with him. I
wrote him a message and I haven't heard back.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So I'm like, last night me, yeah, I mean giving
a little time. We would like somebody to do that
to you. It just it seemed to be to it's
taking a little bit too off.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
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and it's saw Taking Morning Bustin's number one for hip
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Speaker 1 (05:33):
Hi everybody, good.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Morning, Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
By the way, son, we should be telling everyone this
is your fault because you weren't holding it up to
tell me to tell people.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Oh, I just told you, but you gave him the finger.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's today, It's Memorial Day weekend and starting at noon,
we're gonna start our mix shows plus all weekend long
talk back situation. You can win tickets to see the
weekend plus his merch. I always love slash hate when
we have a call from the week that is so
like monument stands out so much that I get dms, dms,
dms ash. I need to know what's going on. I
(06:04):
need to follow up, guys. Nobody needs follow ups more
than me. Okay, I love the tea. I'm nosy as hell.
I love gossip, mostly when it doesn't involve me. We
got this call this week, and everybody wants to know
what this woman's Facebook is.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's just say the amount of girlfriends he has, the
amount of pictures.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Let's just say.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm airing everything out on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Like posting them everything.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Everything, and I'm posting phone numbers too, and apparently.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
A couple of the girls they're in relationships.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Also, because he's a corrections officer, everyone's business is airing
out today.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The way that call ended Tucson was nuts because she's like,
he's calling and then she just hung up.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Can I tell you what I feel. I feel like
she didn't go through with it. I feel like he
convinced her that he loved her, he was sorry, and
that all those other girls are.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just not you know, I got not one, but two messages.
We found out that he was Correctionals officer CEO. I
got two messages from two different girls being like, can
you find that woman and ask her if the guy's
name starts with an M.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I won't say as in the real name, but let's
just say M.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Like, mom, So, what's like the thing that corrections offerers
are out there cheating a lot?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, whenever we have talked about CEOs, people will call
in and say CEO's cheat listen.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't know. I actually don't feel like she went through.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
With it either, because I feel like we would have
seen something, somebody would have sent me something like I
always say, we stay vigilant. On the show, the listeners
that they were doing follow ups, people were looking online
to find something I praition and post those girls nams.
I also feel like, unless they were directly in their
messages talking about her, maybe they didn't know she even existed.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Probably yeah, I mean that's probably the case. I also
am convinced if she's with that guy for that long
and he had all these girls on the side, she
clearly was ignoring the red flags or she didn't care.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But also, if you're listening, yeah, call us back, and
if his name does start with an M, I have
some women that want to talk to you easy.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
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Speaker 1 (08:02):
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Speaker 2 (08:07):
Hi, everybody, good morning, Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Cheers at the freaking weekend, Memorial Day weekend. We had
quite a week in court, but a short week in court, Nick,
I know you were in there, and obviously I got
to start with the jury jirama.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So court starts, what was that? What day was that?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It was Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It was Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And Bev Canoni comes out and she's like, listen, I
have to talk to each juror one one by one.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I have an issue.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Come to find out, there has been giggling in the
courtroom between two jurors. So I guess the way she
decided to handle it was to move them apart from
each other where they were sitting. In your time in
the courtroom, because you go weekly. When you heard this,
do you know which jurors she's referring to?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
I don't know off the top of my head. I Uh,
potentially yes, I could guess, but I'll definitely know next
week when I go on Tuesday, because I know where
everyone was sitting. But if if you remember last week,
she basically publicly shamed them and made a comment of
(09:20):
like you you guys need to control your emotion and
your facial expressions.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
And she did that.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
While the cameras were still rolling, and so everybody you
know at home heard her reprimand them. And then today, uh,
yesterday she had said it's you know, we have to
talk to you guys, and she obviously was not happy
about that. And I'm sure Hank Brennan had an issue
with the Jerry getting along with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Is an interesting dynamic because we know for a fact
they're not supposed to be discussing the case at any point,
not until we get you know, like final statements and
all of those things. So when they take their breaks
and their lunch, they obviously are talking about other things.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Maybe they're becoming friendly.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sati is starting to start a rumor, of course, that
they're they're hooking up.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
They're definitely like they're on just so much stress and
they're away from their families. They can't talk about anything.
This is definitely a blooming relationship.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Well it's not like they're a question and they're staying
in a hotel. So after court, you know, they do
go home to their families. But yeah, I don't see
anything wrong with these Jerry members forming a friendship, and
it actually it would make deliberations a lot easier if
everybody got along, because then everybody would hear each other's
opinions on the case, versus if you have people who
don't like each other, they're going to be hostile in
(10:40):
that deliberation room, and you might have people be stubborn
and not budge one way or the other or listen
to anyone's opinion. So I think having them friendly with
each other actually benefits everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
All right, Well, I think this kind of makes sense
then to start witness wise with Shannon Burgess, because there
was a rumor that whilst he was up on the stand,
one of the jury actually rolled their eyes at him.
I think there was a big difference between what the
prosecution thought he was supposed to prove versus what actually
happened to that poor man while he was on the stand.
(11:11):
So for somebody that has no idea who Shannon Burgess is,
why did the prosecution call him and what in fact
happened to that man with a very very very red
face on the stand.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So the data points that he was trying to put
out was basically based off two trigger events. One was
the three point turn when she missed Fairview Road, and
then one was the backing up event. And what they
are claiming is when they did when Karen did the
three point turn, her Lexus clock was different than John's clock,
and they did not notice any of this until around
(11:50):
May eighth, when he submitted his new report stating that, hey,
we actually have to adjust the clocks because the timeline
doesn't add up. If you have a trigger event at
twelve thirty one thirty eight and John using his phone
at twelve thirty two and nine seconds, this doesn't make sense.
So he went back and he apparently looked and he's
trying to adjust the clocks and says there's a variant
(12:12):
of twenty one to twenty nine seconds, and if you
add those twenty nine seconds, then you know their timeline
adds up and meets perfectly. But no other expert from Aperture,
which is Welcher, who we haven't heard from yet, put
this in his report. He's stating the trigger event and
he's claiming that the time of this accident or basically
(12:32):
Karen striking John with the vehicle was at twelve thirty
one thirty eight seconds. So Shannon Burgess gets on the
stand and he's trying to relay this information to the
jury and it's just not coming out the way that
they wanted it to.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It's not great, not at all.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And specifically there was there was a point in time
when Bob o Lessie was questioning him about the times
being inaccurate and stuff, and Burgess answer he kept saying this,
you know, based off the Lexus clock, which isn't adjusted.
And every time he would say that, the jury kind
of like that was when they were rolling their eyes
(13:09):
because it's like Bob was trying to get him to say,
all it was was the Lexus clock. You don't need
to add that extra before it was adjusted, and he
kept doing it, and the jury that's when they were
kind of like rolling their eyes, like is this guy
serious or.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Because essentially his theory was and with his background, which
we found out wasn't actually the right background, but he
was trying to say through his studies, what you can
do is take a video like the clock on John
O'Keefe's cell phone plus the clock of the Lexus and
kind of join them to make them synonymous. Right, That's
(13:43):
kind of what in Layman's terms, he was trying to
say that he did.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah, but he didn't do any of this during his
initial report. He didn't even look at some of these
trigger events. He basically was just looking at the data
and the GPS points and an Initially he said, you know,
the trigger event, which everybody agreed upon was at twelve
thirty one thirty six, And it wasn't until in with
and testified and the defense expert handed over there report
(14:12):
that all of a sudden, now he's like, oh, we
have a problem here. We need to figure out how
we can make this timeline match up. And that's ultimately
what he's trying to do now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And then and then Bobo basically was also like, Hey,
I'm looking at a few of your resumes and wait,
did you have a bachelor's of science? Did you have
a bachelor and they created I thought he did a
fantastic job, no matter what side you're on of creating
a little reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If you're lying here on your LinkedIn, what the hell
else are you lying about?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
So he's claiming he got he was pursuing a bachelor's
degree at a university called Alabama in Birmingham. But the
degree that he's saying he's pursuing isn't even offered at
the school that he says he goes to or went
to or is pursuing. So you know, seventeen years of
pursuing a degree that is that's a very long time.
(15:04):
You can basically go through grade school and high school
in that amount of time. So on one CV it
says pursuing, on another CV it says he was getting
his degree in twenty twenty two, and then another one
that was actually submitted in federal court said that he
that he was getting his bachelor's degree in twenty twenty four.
So yeah, basically, the defense team points out, listen, if
(15:26):
you're lying about your degree, how can we believe anything else.
And one of the biggest things that barb Alesi pointed
out was Shannon Burgess's timeline. He has his timeline that
this event triggering event, and that Karen struck John with
the vehicle on January thirty. It's twenty twenty two, one
(15:48):
full day, twenty four hours before or after this event
actually took place, So the guy doesn't even know what
day this incident took place on and he doubled down
and setting court. Yeah, if I said the twenty ninth,
I'm it was the thirtieth.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, it's you know, listen, I'm not going to act
like I know what it would feel like to be
on the stand. But I think if you watched him
and his testimony before your eyes, you could see somebody crumbling.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean, it just is what it is. The nerves.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, he started out ghostly, pale like myself, and
then started to turn multiple different shades of red to
the point where in the end he almost looks purple.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I'm surprised to have a heart.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Which makes you feel like he's embarrassed about something if
not lying right, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, there's nerves. There's a lot of nerves there. I mean, listen,
the bottom line is you can It's all up to
the jury. Do they believe Yeah, he may have fudged
this on his resume, but do they believe that he
has a point with his two different clock theories type
of thing. All right, let's move on to the brain surgeon.
Because I don't know about you, Nick, but I felt
like he was a strong witness for the prosecution because
(16:55):
very matter.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Of fact, not a lot of dancing from him.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
This is what it is.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We learned from him that he one hundred percent thinks
that that gash on the back of John O'Keefe's head
was from a fall backwards, which you know, could could
help either side, depending on what theory you want to
go with.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He said he did not die immediately from the gash
on the back of his head. The hypothermia definitely played
a part in that, you know. And I think a
lot of people expected to hear that the way John
had those I hate saying the word raccoon eyes, but
that's how a lot of people describe them as black
eyes were from maybe a punch inside the house. We
(17:33):
learned from the brain surgeon know that in fact, those
can come from having a t a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I just, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I thought he was just very matter of fact in
his testimony. I don't know how you felt about him
up there, but to me, I thought he was one
of the stronger witnesses for the prosecution this week.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I wouldn't I would say he was more of a wash,
you know. He he basically claims that John O'Keefe fell back,
hit his head which you know, could be falling outside,
it could be falling on the basement floor, it could
be falling anywhere. So that doesn't necessarily point one way
or the other towards Karen's guilt or innocence. But as
(18:16):
far as the raccoon eyes, I myself don't think those
were from, you know, being punched in the face. But
one thing that Bob Lessi points out was the cuts
that he had on it above his eye. And he
asked him, you know, did that cut come from him
falling backwards? And he said, he said no, anything on
the face, on the further face could not be from
falling backwards and hitting your head. And then he basically
(18:38):
pointed out, could this be from you know, getting hit
in the face and then falling back? And so those
two injuries are two separate injuries.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I argue the point because I know that everybody wants
to have that a lot of people have this theory
that Colin Albert and his bloody knuckles and he punched
John and John fell backwards. Let's just say that John's
eyes were the way they were because of his traumatic injury.
Just the small cut above his eye was enough to
knock him back and kill him in the home. I mean,
(19:08):
you could argue that as well.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But here, here's the thing is, so we see the
raccoon eyes, right, Let's just say he got punched in
the face. Right, you don't always get cut open when
you get punched in the face. Let's say someone punches
you in the eye and you and you get a
black eye, but no cut. You wouldn't be able to
tell the difference between racon eyes and a previous black
eye from being punched in the face because his eyes
are so swollen from the raccoon eyes that you wouldn't
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be able to really tell if it was being punched
in the eye it was bruising from it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Were not doctor, So I definitely wouldn't be able to differentiate.
I just like the brain surgeon said that that's what
they were from. So I'm gonna roll with him just
because he is the professional, not.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
That that's what I believe too.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, all right, what else from the week stood
out to you? Anything else you want to.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Get in the biggest One of the biggest points that
I was talking about last trial was the fact that
the glass on Karen Reid's bumper does not match to
any of the cocktail glass found at the scene. And
then there was one piece of glass on the bumper
that matches up to one piece of glass that Michael
(20:14):
Proctor found on the street. But neither one of those
pieces of glass match up to the cocktail glass.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Sounds a little glass room.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean that one's hard to fight. I love
playing Devil's Advocate with you, but on that one's hard
to fight.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
She she basically said she cannot. She cannot. This is
the forensic scientist that was up there. She said that
there's just not a match. There was no match to
that cocktail glass from the water. Because a lot of
people believe he was upset he threw the glass at
the car.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
She reverses, she hits him, She.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Leaves, which if that was the case, though, if she
if he had thrown the glass of the car, then
how did the glass end up next to him on
the lawn, So that that that easily gets debunked. But yeah,
I mean, there's no explanation of how this glass got
on her bumper, and not only got on the bumper,
how it stayed and traveled over sixty miles worth of
(21:07):
traveling in a blizzard, how it stayed on the bumper
because it was not embedded into the bumper, It was
just sitting on top of it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It was cold, it was frozen.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Oh oh. And then one other quick thing is the hair.
The mitochondrial DNA is how they tested that hair, so
they cannot even say with one certainty that it was
John's hair. The hair when you test mitelchondrial DNA, anybody
that comes from Peggy Peggyo Keeps side of the family
(21:37):
is going to have the same mitochondrial DNA. So it
could have been John's hair. It could have been the
knee or the nephew. It could have been the brother,
It could have been Peggy's hair. It could have been
anyone's hair. So this concrete evidence of John's hair being
on the bumper now is not so concreepy. It could
be pretty much anyone in that family.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I agree, I get what you're saying. I do think
it was John's hair. For it could be John's hair
because like that he was around that car. Whatever, I
think was John's hair. But the defense did an amazing
job at poking holes in that testimony. But what I
was going to ask you is a lot of times
we don't see reaction from the o'kee family. Did you
see Peggy during that testimony? That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
I personally don't look at them because anytime you do
look over there, the court offices come over and the
yell at you for looking around.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So I keep your eyeballs on the stand. Well, she
rolled her eyes on.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
She rolled her eyes during that because because they were
trying to insinuate could have been Peggy's heir.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I mean, and by the way, they're not.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They're doing the right thing that that's their job, right
the poke holes I'm not saying, but she didn't like that.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
You really can't say. I mean, for example, the nephew,
he has short hair like he's he's in Karen's carr like,
you can't physically say it's not his hair. You cannot.
Nobody can say with certainty that it's one hundred percent
John's hair. You just can't do it.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So that's reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Interesting, all right, So a lot of off time, do
we know what daddy is going to be doing over
the weekend? Like can I catch him in the seaport?
Like what are the plans? Karen was asked, what are
you going to do? With all this off time, Nick,
and she goes, I'm going to take my heels off,
I'm not gonna set my alarm, and I'm going to
sleep for a little bit. This is a lot of time,
and I think, you know, everybody on both sides deserves
(23:16):
a breather, including us.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay, Nick too, Nick, you deserve a breather.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I think Alan's going to head home. You know, he's
got he's got a wife and daughter at home, so
he's going to go spend some time with them. I'm
not sure what mister Alessi's gonna do, whether he's going
to go head back to New York for a little bit.
I'll spend some time with his family here in Massachusetts.
But I think five days off will be good. Then
we'll get the one or two last experts from the prosecution.
(23:43):
They'll rest their case, and then it's time for the
defense to lay their case out. So we could be
looking at maybe a week and a half two more
weeks of trial testimony and then off to deliberation, which.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is so crazy to even hear you say that, so crazy.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, it definitely went faster. So I will give Hank
Brennan props for that he didn't drag it out like
Adam Lalley did. Fact, but I still don't think that
Hank has proved his case that Karen struck him with
the vehicle. So again it's up to the jury. But
we all know the public opinion in this case. I
would say it's you know, ninety percent Karen Reid didn't
do this, So we'll have to wait and see, all.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, Nick, As always, I appreciate you joining us. Have
a nice long Memorial Day weekend. Back in court on Tuesday,
and we will talk to you next Friday.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
You got to have a good day.
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