Where My Dawgs At pt. 1

A company car accident brings back memories of Santi's street promo days. Nick Rocco checks in and updates on the Karen Read case.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake oh man, Happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Everybody cheers to the freaking weekend. Elli made it. I
don't know if if you haven't caught up on yesterday's show,
that's okay, but I just for the two of you
to know. Still no text.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Oh really yea from anybody? Because you texted the friend too.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I texted the friend for him. Now O friend got okay,
Now I feel like okay, quick synopsis, everybody. I got
the cell phone number of Mike stud who I'm a
huge fan of. I love he goes my mic now,
but he's on tour. He's gonna be in Philly tonight.
My brother and his girlfriend and another couple are going.

(00:57):
So I said to my brother, I'm like, let me
try because I know how much but he is. I'm like,
let me see what I can do, Lingerie Sure. I
ended up getting his cell phone number, sent him a
text on Wednesday. It's Friday, and I just said, listen,
my brother will love to meet you here, and he
bought his tickets. I'm not trying to get free tickets.
I didn't say this, but I am now to you,
not trying to get free tickets. I just wanted to

(01:18):
see if there's anyway he could meet you if you're
doing meet and great. I don't know, crickets nothing. So
yesterday I'm like, you know what, I've already we're already here.
So fine. I hit up his best friend and I said, listen,
I'm stalking now. Now we've reached stocking levels. I'd like
to die. I'm dying a little bit on the inside.

(01:40):
And his best friend was like, oh, let me call
him right now. So he calls them and he's like,
oh yeah, he said, he'll get back to you. Don't
worry about it. Let me know if you don't hear
from him. Like it was a super chill, nonchalant thing.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Nothing. Still hearing's the show though?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Today tonight like tonight and now it's weird. So do
I follow like lunch with a friend?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
No, no, the friend already kind of gave you the
he did, don't call us, We'll call you.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, no, no, he said, quote I just got off them.
He says, he's gonna hit you back. But if you
don't hear from him, text me.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Reach out to the friend. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
As it gets closer, reach out to the friend.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I said, you know, maybe like two pm.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The show starts. I think doors are at five.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Five, Yeah, don't reach out at two, reach out at twelve.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I get people busy.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Crazy, like this isn't even for me.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I love my brother so much, but now I'm I'm
in the th No, we're in the moon, like we're done.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
We we We've so commit hit him up at twelve.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
I even yeah, lunch if the doors at five, yeah,
for sure, because you never know, you know, the god's
busy he's doing. Yeah, he's probably traveling from another city.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Last night he was out and.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
About in Philly. He was doing appearances. He was just like,
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
He's busy mode.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
He is, So you want to want a good five
hours at least where dude can reach out to him,
and maybe he's going to be the one to facilitate
this whole.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I just picture him calling him again and him being like, Yo,
she's annoying, but I've only sent one text.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, let me ask you, have you ever been on
the other end of this, Like, have have people been
trying to get you and text you for stuff? And
I can think it depends on who it is too.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
So yeah, I'm trying to I don't know. I feel
like I'm always the one on this end, but like,
I also think I'm not a celebrity, so I would
probably write.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Back and be like, it's no different than somebody hitting
you in the DMS being like hey, yo, can you
get me tickets too?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I would write back either I can or I can't.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Oh you don't write back?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah yeah? Or I or I yeah, I don't write back.
I see you yeah, So it's fine. I just feel
like if he can't do it, just be like, oh, sorry,
actually I'm not doing mean grease. Hopel's well done by.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, but sometimes some people have. I don't think he
would say that.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
He by the way, he is the nicest man on
the plane.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, that's why he wouldn't respond.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't think he would either.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's weird that he hasn't just been like yes or
no already, but he because he's such a good dude.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
But Bestie said he saw the message, which is cool,
so he knows that you're reaching out. Twelve o'clock, I
think you got it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, So at noon, I'm hitting the best friend. I'm
being like, I haven't heard anything. It's just maybe I'll
be like, try to just let this go. It's probably
not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, I would.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I would probably be like, hey, look, you know, doors
are opening about five hours. I just want to make
sure that bro is good. If you can't make it happen,
if it's too much, please don't worry about it. I
just wanted to reach out one last time.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, because I don't want to text Mike again because
then he's got like two messages.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
By the way, I deleted the DM because he didn't
see it.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
And I'm like, I get it. I can't.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I can't, like I get it.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I cannot Mike alone be this person. Yeah, Like I
gotta leave Mike alone. I already text Mike once. I
love him. I still love him.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know it's gonna hurt me a little bit. Might
delete one song off the playlist.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
But sounds like a fade away.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
God damns.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I don't know, Like if he wants to text you back,
we'll text you back. We give this advice like all
the time.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
But so here's what I'm thinking. He's not the guy
to do this right.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's gonna be to I don't But my thought is
he's a celebrity and he's so he has like he's Mike,
but he has Joe, and Joe does his meet and greets,
Joe puts people on the list. Whatever. I was hoping
that he was like, Ash, here's Joe's contact, which is
what you deal with him.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Why not just give your brother Joe's contact for tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Maybe I'm making Joe up.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
He should have passed like the assistant of yes.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yes, but like, why don't you give your brother the
contact of the friend that way, like they can coordinate
it tonight.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Maybe that's easier.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, you can't be given out the friend.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
When people give up my number without.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You can't be.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I'm sorry, we're just trying to figure out how.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Crazy. But Santi gives his number out to everybody, so
it's yeah, you don't do that, by the way, Yeah,
it's like a sacred thing. If I was going to
do that, I would have to be like, hey, can
I give your numbers my brother?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Because I would have I don't. Actually, I'm kind of
weird about that.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I always ask the person before I give the number,
not you, Santi, but like I would ask for and like, hey,
can I pass your number two to somebody?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
No, I'm just envisioning a person by the name of
Joe that does all the handling for him, because everybody,
they all have one of those. Hit me with Joe's
contact and I'll take it from there. So I don't
think it's happening. If it does, you know what, guys,
it's going to be a silent thing. If it does happen,
you're just going to see a photo of them on
my Instagram.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Best he's kind of set the expectation that he's going
to reach out to that it's almost going to happen.
Otherwise he would have just been like, Okay, I'll reach
out to him and see what he says.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Mind you, the best friend is here local. He's not
even going to the show tonight. So he really called
his cell phone and was like, hey, Ashley's writing you.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Whatever does the best trid of work for him? Did
you mention? Okay, so he's not on tour.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
He's not on tour with him. No, that's just his buddy.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, Mike's probably a nice guy. We don't know him.
We don't know he is. So I'm not saying he's done.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I really hope he's not in his hotel, Like she
won't leave me alone. I don't like text one time.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Though, like you wouldn't say she won't leave me alone.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
If don't text one time, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
But then I followed up at the front, especially.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
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Speaker 7 (06:58):
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Speaker 6 (07:00):
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(07:28):
see you.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Let's be together Friday, June sixth. If you know the
film Let's Be Together, there's a scene in a film
that actually is supposed to take place here in Boston
and Jessica bial turns around and she looks at him
and goes.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Let's be together.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
What movie is that? I actually don't know the name,
Jessica bill Starving.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
It was about like the Baseball League.

Speaker 9 (07:53):
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Speaker 1 (07:57):
I was like, shut up, Jessica, it was not good.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
That movie so bad?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Is that Freddy Prince?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yes, yeah, it's kind of good.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, I agreed.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It has nothing to do with this story. But let's
be together with the Bruins.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
New head coach Marco Sturham actually played for the Bruins
for five seasons and the Bruins said, listen, we were
in search for a communicator and a leader, and they
got one in Marco. He has coached internationally and in
the miners, even at the Olympic level. He obviously, like
you just heard, is so excited to be here. He said,
he's just super honored and he can't wait to get

(08:31):
to work.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
The good thing for him is that the Bruins were
in dead last last year, so they can only get better.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And the tough part for him is it seems like
the line is like, hey, if you don't make the playoffs,
you're oute, don't you know, just make the playoffs. It
was the first time and I think nine years or something.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
That they did, and like two years ago the Bruins
had like a record breaking year and then lost in
the playoffs, Like it was so disappointing.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I remember that because we had Dana, our hockey guy
from Northeastern on because we don't know anything about hockey,
so he was kind of cluing us in and helping
us out. And then all of a sudden, data the
hockey guy was gone because the Bruins just poop themselves.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I also feel like they're rebuilding right now, so I
don't have really too much promise for next year.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
But okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well Marco, we can't wait to see what you can do. Okay,
welcome back to Boston. I said this to you, son,
and I mean forn this won't come as a shock
to you at all. We are so entrenched in Karen
Reid that I feel like Diddy's been put on the
back burner for us. Okay, once we rap with Karen,

(09:30):
once we put Brian Higgins and Karen and everybody and
and the Alberts to bed, Diddy will be our primary focus.
Let's be honest. Because the Circus Act and the SNL
skits that are happening in Denham, they're happening in New
York too, and we're touching upon them, We're grazing, but
it's not our primary focus because we have bigger fish

(09:50):
to fry. But the Didty trial is nuts, Like, if
you think about it, you know, this week we had
a woman screaming to him, him saying, they're laughing at
you getting kicked out of core act in nuts. Today,
I'm reporting that in court yesterday the judge threatened to

(10:11):
kick Ditty out of court for what.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh He's looking at jurors.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Making eye contact and going like this like shaking his
head like yeah, did you hear that? Mm hmm. Yeah.
So basically a cross examination of one of the prosecution's
witness was on the stand and they were trying to
ask her about her timeline the date she gave for
the balcony incident where she said she was hung over
the balcony by Diddy. He wasn't even in the same

(10:38):
location as her at the time. Now fast forward, there
are text messages to prove that the balcony incident could
have happened at a different date whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
But once did he thought like god.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Em he looked over at the jurors and said, did
you hear that? They just did not.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
I feel like it was a little more threatened for
what I'm gathering.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
But basically it got so bad that the judge was like,
this is quote absolutely unacceptable if it happens again, you're out,
Like I'm not playing these games in court. We're not
doing this.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I gotta imagine that it's it's a form of witness
intimidation kind of. I mean, but it's jury, and like
the monsters used to do it, like back in the
day where the half people in the crowd staring at
them just to just to make sure that they went
like their own way.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Got so bad that the judge had to say, two
Diddy's lawyer, I need a yes or no? Is it
going to happen again? And the defense lawyer Marc goes, no,
your honor, not going to happen again, and he looks back.
The judge looks at him and goes, no, no, no,
this cannot happen again, Like that's it done one more time,
and he's.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Gone, I feel like it's gonna happen again. At some point.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Didn't need to control him, He didn't need to get
it together, Jue.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, Like this also is the court of law, buddy,
and you're the one in the seat for sex trafficking, prostitution, racketeering, conspiracy,
sex trafficing by forrest, fraud, version and transportation as well,
like not not the not the jury. Okay, they're there
because he isn't want to be back to work.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Come on, Sean.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
So anyways, we also got a new witness on the stand.
She's under a pseudonym Jane, and she took the stand
to talk about her relationship with Diddy. Says all of
her time with him was filled with drugs, money payments,
all of which for sex. She said at one point
she was participating in the freak offs and when she
told Diddy she didn't want to do them anymore, he said,
go ahead and leave, but I won't pay your rent.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know what's funny, I think Foreorren mentioned this too,
was that how addicted he was to drugs and how
bad it was like it was consistent.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Cassie testified and said that he was a fiend. I
mean Cassie also testified that one time did he told
Cassie that.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
She was a fiend and she needed rehab.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Correct wrong. When they got him, when he was about
to get on that flight to Miami, they had a
drug dealer within a system.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
That's his assistant who was used to bringing any kind
of drug here.

Speaker 10 (12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, he loves oh so yeah, didn't have the big
news then the big big rumor that Jane Doe, Yeah
is fifty cents baby moms.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I actually did see that because fifty chopped off some
podcasts said.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
She said on on on the Witness Stand that at
the time that all this was happening with her, Diddy
and her baby Daddy were in a like please.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
She said, baby daddy, I'm the standing like that exact
she might have been, she might have, but she said
the father of her kids basically and her and Diddy
and her and did he have beef?

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Internet salutes salutes put the timelines together and they were like, oh, snap,
this is fifty cents baby that because yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Because whoever it is, if it's if the person's big
enough to have beef with Diddy, they got to be
a celebrity, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
feel like Diddy's going to.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Have je It was another hip hop artist that he
had beef with, big Big Beaf and the major major
beafs that this guy had was either with the West
Coast East Coast times that was with with Tupac back then,
and then him and Fifty had a big, big public.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Fifty has commented about this.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
On social Yeah, he's kind of he's kinda put out
some little things here in there.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
But I feel like if there were true, he would
have said something now because he's pretty.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Old, I feel like he would have lived for it
if it was.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
We don't know, Yes, Curtis, her name is Daphney Joy,
A commedist said, now Daphne George knows good and damn well,
we was going to figure out who she was within minutes.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, so far she's she's she'll be back up on
the stand today. I'm assuming so far her testimony is
like that she had been to the Free Coughs. She
wanted to stop, and he said, you know, if you stop,
I'm not paying your rent anymore, like he was paying
her to do this.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Okay, so is that a crime?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I actually was thinking that myself.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
I don't if you wanted your rent, paid your ten
k a month, allow once or whatever, and he said.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's prostitution.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, that's prostitution.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
But if he's like, if if he says no, I'm
not paying you no more and she says, okay, we
can continue with the free coughs, who's really prostituting?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, I don't think he was saying, Okay, you can stop.
I think there was.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Like, if you stop, I'm not paying you. She's head, Okay,
I won't stop. I need the money.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah. So then she continued to have sex with them
for money.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
For money, but that's what I'm saying, so forcing her no, no,
but that's still prostitution. That's still proving that you ain't.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Getting football numbers for prostitution A little slap on the
risk go to jail for.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I mean, if they want to, if they want to prove, if.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
That's what the case is that all this is not
you didn't I don't. That's not groagion to me. That's
just you know, you make it ends me by prostituting. Yeah, yeah,
but prostitutional what I'm saying, it's not understand I understand that.
But and the thing we go to civil trying.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
To figure out too, like what was her rent check?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Like are we talking?

Speaker 4 (15:46):
I think she said, like cases.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Okay, so if you're paying for sex by somebody in
your own hometown, right, that's different than a celebrity paying
for sex and flying these people like around the world,
because then you're crossing state lines and then it's a
federal case.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
So maybe that's why this.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I also wonder what like.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
The combo is, like she says to him, you know,
he says, I want you to come to these free
COFs and she says, okay, you gotta pay. That's prostitution.
But then does she say, okay, can you pay and
rent form? And they have this conversation of like, hey,
I'm saying, if you come to freak offs and keep
your mouth shut, I'll pay your rent.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I feel it started maybe with him flirting with her,
but like damn, you know, and oh how much is
your man?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I pay it this month? And then that just continued
to snowball into another thing.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Tell me her name again time, Yeah, Daphne den Joy
d A p H. So you know, yes, I've seen
her before.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Maybe it started with her being him being flirtatious, is
using his money as a way to be like, you know,
cause chicks like this. There's some females out there that
like that and be like, yeah, I pay you rent,
I pay your cell phone, I pay this, I pay
I pay your child's care. And then all of a sudden,
as you as you hook him now and she's like,
oh you know what, Diddy, I don't want to talk
to you no more. This is too much drama. Like
all right, cool, I ain't gonna pay your money no more.
Like damn I need that ten thousand dollars a month. Yeah,

(16:56):
let's keep doing that thing.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah. Anyways, I keep you posted. But like I said,
I feel as if once once Karen and Dedham have
come to a close. My god, that will be a day.
This is gonna be our We we'll dig in more.
It's just we're busy. We're booked and busy in Dedham.
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Chris Brown announcing a brand new single.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It will come out next Friday the thirteenth, giving us
a little teaser on ig. Song is called Holy Blindfold.

(17:50):
Talk about a teaser, I mean like what is some
Like what are what are we doing here? He really
was like I'm gonna tease you so badly that it's
gonna be nothing until next Friday.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
We put a beat in there or something.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
He's on a with World.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Tour right now at amsture. I remember he was arrested.
He's out.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Maybe he found Jesus. I don't know. I do not know.
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talkbacks are a great way to access the show. Nick
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Speaker 2 (18:48):
Hi everybody, good morning. This poor building, we can't rest.
There's always some drama around here. I'm sure that's with any.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Workplace, absolutely, but I think ours a little more public.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I would say we actually while we talk about this
six one seven nine three one one nine four five
six one seven nine three one one nine four five,
I'm just gonna throw it out there. If you have
like office or work drama, give it to me. I
want to hear what's going on in your in your worlds,
because over here we had the email that shall not
be mentioned. Okay, that was that.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
That was last week. It was two weeks or was
it last week? Yes? It was right like earlier.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, So we had the email. I'm not I'm not.
I'm not talking about it anymore. If you want to
look up our podcast or something, you can probably fight
it there.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Then yesterday foreigns at the mall. I think that was Burlington?

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is he not in there?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I don't see him on the camera.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
What what do you? Oh? But is he for?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
He's coming on the all give him a second. He's
spilling up his water.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think, oh my god, I'm trying to talk to
this man. He's just gone like the winds. I believe
he was Burlington or was that Burlington? Welcome back?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
This was New Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, so he's all of New Hampshire, all of New Hampshire.
You're driving down the road and you see I mean,
is that more than a thunder brunder?

Speaker 5 (20:16):
I don't know what I might That might be total
bro Okay, yeah, yeah, that might be a done done.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do you see the iHeart radio vehicle? Yes, which is
like a what kind of car? Is that a black drango?
Just mangled?

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yoh yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
I'm coming off the exit. I see the eyeeart. I'm like, oh, pops,
look it's one of our cars. And I'm like, but
why is he on the side of the road like that,
and then there's a tow truck behind him with a
call on top of the tow truck, and I realized
they got into what I thought was a fender bender
because the other car didn't look that crazy. I drive
around the front of the vehicle. The whole front end
is gone, gone, gone, and the two dudes standing outside. Now,

(20:53):
normally I'll be out here, you know, in the streets,
trying to thank you, trying to protect my comrades and
make sure my comrades is good. But my mom leaves
for Africa on Monday, and we need to figure out
her iPhone because she's done locked it because she forgot
her Pastors thousand lock lock.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
I've never seen an iPhone locked like that.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Her iPhone was like, please leave me alone.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
No it really did, you know. It doesn't say way
two hours three, It just says good bye.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So we hadly just I I know you have priorities.
It does hurt my soul out here, because you know,
we're loose. We're trying to figure out this Karen Reid thing.
Is did he a pimp? We don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
We're trying to figure it all out.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You couldn't get me.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
The driver, I didn't recognize him, and I felt and
you know, for a second, I thought I should pull
up and be like, YOA I work for the company.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Do y'all need help?

Speaker 5 (21:36):
But they probably look at me and be like no,
So I just kind of left it alone. Do you
think it was just got to mind you?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
But do you think it was one of the engineers,
because I've seen a lot of them driving that now.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Before knows them to see them.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
But we also have an iHeart office in Manchester. There's
there's I think is it Rock one oh one, There's
there's a There's a couple of stations out there, so
it could have been one of them, you know what
I mean. I don't think it was someone from here.
You feel what I'm saying. I think it was a
company called the that we'll use an outdre New Hampshire.
So I saw them, I didn't recognize them. I kept driving,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I've never once driven a company vehicle like in my
in my time, I've never gotten behind the wheel of
those things because the jam and car used to be
a pt cruiser and I didn't want to be behind
the wheel. Nope, not in Thatt Cruiser.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Back in the day, I worked on the street team
for Jam and Kiss Went Away. I used to drive
those things all the time. One thing I will tell
you that it's not your car, so you drive it
like a rental. You whipped that thing around. And there
have been a few times when people have gotten into actives.
But back then they had an escalade and a hummer.
What yeah, so it was cool. There was a kid
who used to take the escalade home at night, and

(22:45):
then we started getting like reports of the escalade like
in the middle of the night in like the streets
of like Chelsea and Lynn and people like what the hell?
And I knew who the dude dude was, But do
you take a home like over night?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Was it wrapped?

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yes? It was, you know, it was like DMX on
the side.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Another story, So when nine to eleven happened, obviously Boston
was one of like the centerpieces of everything because this
is where the terrorists came from.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So you should see my face.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's gonna pay off, right, So they had live feeds
from the hotels with the terrorists Verresus staying in Boston, right,
every news camra in the country was there, right so
I don't know who it was, but they get the
idea of like, well, sent you just take the vehicle,
drive around Boston, see if people need help or anything
like that. So I don't know, right, So I had

(23:43):
the main I think it was an excursion at the time,
which was a big suv and like like, and I
remember DMX specifically was on the side and there were
some other people there. Right, So imagine you're on CNN
live broadcast the day after the worst terrorist attack in America.
Then all of a sudden you see the GM ninety
four five vehicles in the background, but.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
DMAs faith and we started getting.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Called and people going like the dogs for doghins. I'm
watching this live broadcast and everybody at the time was
glued to every TV. This is luth saying, all I've
were seeing was DM go by the day after the
worst terarist attack in the world.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Whoever had an idea should slap yeah, right like that
and by the way, what are you going to do?
But I what are you doing to help you?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
To be honest, I think that I added that in
I think what happened They were trying to put me
down there with the vehicle to get some promotion to
so it's so it's being seen, which listen, at that time,
probably the wrong time to think about promotion type stuff,
but I executed the job.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
If you think about it.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
They were probably two hundred cameras from every from every
corner of the globe. They all saw the Jamming logo
vehicle and DMX just rolling by my.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Dogs September twelfth.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Wow, that's yeah, that's a that's a company vehicle story
right there.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
And then like listen, I've been here a long time
and I'm not going to say who, but there were
countless people like walking up with girls in the back
of the station like vehicles.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, if you're not gonna say who, they must still
do they still work?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
They don't still work here, no, but I know that.
But but those company vehicles used to be outside person.
Oh yeah, I'm in joints used to be outside our clubs.
This is when we actually when we used to broadcast
live from spots and that that and ye, whenever you
saw the Jamming joint was kind of flat to see
it outside of the club, just parked on the sidewalk.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
There was a jock that I used to have to
pick up like every Friday night to do a live broadcast,
and I used to drive the Kiss One Await van.
That van was the worst thing in the world. If
I counted how many times them driving him back to
his house and I look around and this naked girls
in the back. I mean, this was countless. And this
was back in the heyday when you could get away
with stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Not any no, yeah, I mean not similar stories by
any means. But you and Pup have some wild tales
of you guys doing club games.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I can't because the story's crazy, but I will say,
and I'll protect Pup. Pup was innocent, and Pup was
trying so hard not to be like, yeah, taking advantage
people wanted to be left alone. Yeah, Puff did not
well the way.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
This was in like nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Eight, Yeah, probably, like I actually like two thousand, yeah, yeah,
yeah man.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
But yeah, no, I remember you're right for him. Those
those cars did have like cloak to them, because they did.
I remember I was in college, I want to say,
I was a freshman or sophomore, and we were walking
by Fenway and I saw the GM ninety four five
vehicle outside, and then I saw pebbles and I was
so excited, I mean so excited to see her. She

(27:01):
was so sweet, and then there was the It was awesome.
It definitely held like it had been.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Now they're all in the garage, just sitting there, just
collecting done. We don't do like live broadcasts like anymore.
But outside again and crashed out.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, and I think that's the same the wrangle I've
driven to an event before. That thing was gone, front
and gone. I'm gonna post up the video on Absolute
that's hot.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
He's gonna post a video in seven seconds.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Can you take that video down?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I have no idea. We don't know who's driving nothing.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
That's not our fault.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Was describing that's not his fault.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Actually in the jam in Morning Show with four and
it's Saunty.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
When you need to know, No, we got you three
things you need to know on Boston's number one for
hip hop and the best throwbags.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
She haven't any more Vives, it's Marco's Stern. I'm so
excited and happy and are to be Vitom you had
coach and be back in Boston at a great time
here as a player, and I'm really looking forward to
be to lead this team and be behind the bench.
Let's do it together, Boston, all right, looking forward to

(28:14):
see you there.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
It is Friday, June sixth, and we got a new
head coach for the Boston Bruins, Marco Sturm.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like he just said there, he played for the Bees
five years.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
The Bruins said they were looking for a communicator and
leader and got both in Marco. He as you could
just hear, very honored to be back, excited to get
to work. He's coached internationally and in the minors, even
at the Olympic level, but he has never been a
head coach in the NHL and assistant but never ahead.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
But you can only get better from winning thirty three
games than losing thirty nine. Last year the Bruins were
dead last. So Mark, I think you're good.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yeah, unless he comes into the same position that we
started at, right, Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Gone, And I think it's pretty easy where they draw
the line, like make the playoffs and you will keep
your job, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Which I don't know if they will next year because
they're rebuilding. They lost some good players.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And well we'll say we will see Welcome back to Boston,
mister Marco.

Speaker 10 (29:05):
All right.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
DJ Farren is gonna hook us up. We got brand
new music from a few different artists over and overnight.
We just played type jangers, Mariah Carey, what else you got?

Speaker 10 (29:16):
All right?

Speaker 5 (29:16):
So, Lil Wayne, I mean, there's a lot of new music,
not enough time, but we're just gonna focus on the
quarter six. Lil Wayne finally finally blessing us with the
Carter six album, which surprisingly does not feature Little Kim
or Drake. Those rooms that he was gonna be on there,
or those two artis were gonna be on there, they're not.
He does have the likes of Bono and a bunch
of other people on their big ex of the plug.

(29:38):
Let's start off with this one, Lil Wayne. It's the
opening track to his album song after the skit. It's
called Welcome to the carda where you know Lil Wayne
is in his element.

Speaker 11 (29:46):
Hey, Yo, my son's gonna shot forever in as long
as we hear you might as well get your clouds together.
Pray for cloudy weather world, Please shout out to metal
and if it's be for turn the whole couch of leather.
I ain't playing with y'all, right, hand to God, don't
act like my nagy Dan a white Man tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I just said it before. I'm already ready for war.
You've been to hell and back, but have you been
to heaven before?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
He literally sounds like he did when I was sixteen.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
And you know what's funny is that a lot of
people are complaining. I was kind of checking out some
reviews of what the people are saying on the net.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
They don't like the album.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
They kind of said exactly what you're saying, like this
just sounds like the same old card that we've been having.
Somebody even commented and was like, you got to trick
little Wayne into thinking he's doing a feature as opposed.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
To an album. Oh damn. And then yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Was kind of crazy, But I enjoyed that one. I
thought that one was kind of a dope song. Another
dope one that I liked. Here a cool feature on
this one featuring Cameron Carter. Can y'all guess who that is?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I know the answer, have no idea. That's his son,
Camer Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Carter, Yeah, you know last name it is called anyway,
This one is called Rari.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Another feature off of the car a six.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
To l.

Speaker 12 (31:00):
Women in the Right to la le guineas a woman
in or to La Woman, to Labre Guineas on the
human election, or to lambor Guineas on the West on
the West.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And I discussed.

Speaker 11 (31:20):
Thing to say shirt showing.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
I think that's so dope that you can have your
son on.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Now, that's unbelievable. How old is that kid? Because I'm
trying to look him up because he sounded super young.
Came he's fifteen.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, I was going to say he's about thirteen. Fourteen? Yeah,
he sounded six he did.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I mean the auto tune and all that, plus you know,
it kind of makes him melodic, which I think is
the catered to the kids, so they don't.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
He doesn't have his license. He's lying through an entire thing.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well, he's cruising with a chauffeurs that he did he having?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
He just said he was cruel. He could have been
on a skateboard Ferrari right right.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, but I still think I still think you can
cruise in the passenger.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
With your dad. All right, find the passenger.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
See anyway, the called is six is out now some
other dope music that's Alglaorella got a new song now,
Sexy Rag got a new song out, and for U
y n to destroy Lonely also has a new song.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Out, so I'm gonna post him on Ashley too.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
E's in the like Colin can drop a track that
says I'm cruising in the pusha in hun don't say that.

Speaker 10 (32:27):
I would not.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Outside street.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
We had a sign all right, very quickly, let's head
to New York because we got drama in the Diddy
court room? Did he is now being threatened to get
guys kicked out of court? Why? Because allegedly he's been
flashing facial expressions at the jurors. It got so crazy
that the judge had to literally say to Diddy's lawyer,

(32:56):
is he going to do it again? Because if he
does it again, He's out? So his lawyer responds, no,
you're on her. Will not happen again. Judge then scolded
him and said, no, no, no, it cannot happen again. It's
not like a knowing will it cannot happen again. I
guess it was a facial expression that would be equivalent
to somebody saying something you agree with something, you mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Mm hmmm ard and you're shaking your.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Head like that court though, because it intimidates them.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's jury intimidation.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's the only thing I can think that they felt intimidated,
Like here's this massive celebrity looking at me being like
mm hmmm. See, yeah, so did He's got to get
it together, Like you have to act right, you want
to stay in there, you got to act right.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I do have to imagine too, it's probably hard not
to like do that when you feel like you have
some sort of like victory when stuff like that happens.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
But Karen does it. I mean, Karen does not do
it to the jurors. She has to look at the jurys.
But Karen, like, for instance, when they were reading some
of the text messages leaky balloon nuts, she rolled her eyes.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
But I don't think she ever made What I think clearly.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Happened is one of the jurors complained, because for the
judge to come out and say that, it makes you
feel like somebody complained. They felt a type of way. Yeah,
but did he either way stop looking at the jury.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, that's it, just.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know, straight ahead. I also hate and AJ and
I were talking about this this morning. You know, we
use the word alleged with all of this because we
can't watch it.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
And I hate that federal case. It's a federal case.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So we're learning about this all secondhand from other media
reporters and such that are inside.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Who knows what kind of spices they adding into the
little you.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Know, yeah, thereof, but we don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
And those Scotch just sucked. They're so bad that person.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
All right, that is three things he needs to know
for Friday, June sixth, The Weekend is coming to the
Lett Stadium. That show is Wednesday of next week six
one seven nine three one one nine four five, Color
twenty five are getting hooked up.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Good Luck Dashly and the.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
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Speaker 7 (34:55):
Big Morning Bustin's number one for hip hop dam in
ninety four or five.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Hi everybody, good morning.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
As always our home every Friday, seven point thirty, we
talked to our guy Nick Rocco about what the week
looked like in the Karen Reid retrial. Nick, when this
thing is all said and done, let's just say it's
July fourth, we're all celebrating.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
We're off.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Are you gonna come on then and be our ditty insider?
Are you gonna move on with us? What do you
think you can can do you have a you got
any ends there?

Speaker 6 (35:30):
No ends there.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I do not follow that case.

Speaker 10 (35:34):
When this case is over, I'm gonna take a long,
long break.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Fine, we'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
You can take a little break and then we'll have
to figure something out. But it was a week in court.
I think we're finally starting to see Hank Brennan in
the cross and you know, understanding why certain people aren't
being put on the stand because you know, I think
even you can admit he's kind of of in his

(36:00):
wheelhouse here in these cross examinations.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Of course.

Speaker 10 (36:04):
I mean he's a criminal defense lawyer, and he's a
pretty good one. And yeah, his wheelhouse is cross examination,
just like you know, Alan Jackson and this defense team,
they're really good at cross examination. So you know, not
calling the Alberts or Higgins or Procter, it gives Hank
a chance to build them back up when the jerry

(36:25):
may already have an opinion about them. So you let
the jerry wonder who these people are instead of actually
putting a face with the name if they already don't
know who they are and based off what they've heard.
So far, they already have an opinion about these people,
so you know, basically, not giving them a chance to
rebuild their reputation is basically the defense is way they're

(36:48):
going to head.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean that makes complete sense to me. I think,
you know, beyond everything, the lawyer ring on both sides
has been so impressive. And I know there's a lot
of freek Aaron readers that Hank Brennan just for breathing
every single morning that nothing he do will impress them.
But like you said, I mean, this is where he began.
He's a criminal defense lawyer, like this is his wheelhouse.
He's good at what he does, and I think his

(37:12):
whole attempt with some of these witnesses is to poke holes.
And speaking of witnesses, we've had so many this week,
and so many that aren't experts, which, let's just be honest,
far more entertaining. And let's start at the top with
our girl Nick Kelly Dever.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Wow was she quite the character on the stand.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Here's a clip like.

Speaker 13 (37:33):
You can't remember my name, I don't remember I can
remember your name?

Speaker 14 (37:37):
Is so the answer is I don't remember. No comments,
all right, So no comments, just questions please.

Speaker 15 (37:48):
The police department supports you at Officer.

Speaker 10 (37:51):
Deaver do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So he said my name correctly, he said Dever.

Speaker 14 (37:56):
And let's see you want me to repeat the question
just so miss to Jackson, let's go ahead and answer please.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yes, And he said nothing with the intent of guiding
me one way.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I asked you what he said to you.

Speaker 12 (38:10):
What were his words to you.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's not a yes or no answer.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, yes, it actually is.

Speaker 14 (38:15):
Ever, So no comments, okay, just you understand the question.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
The question yes, the implication the.

Speaker 15 (38:23):
Question is in any of those don't I'm asking you
an open ended question in any of those cases, Officer Dever,
not including as.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Lucia Michael Cox. What did you up to his office
to discuss your testimony?

Speaker 16 (38:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Non? I think if we were asked Kelly Dever to
list like her top three most hated daddy, al would
sit right there atop that list.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
It was fireworks between the two of them.

Speaker 10 (38:52):
Yeah, I mean, there was a reason why they brought
her on. And you know, she claims she doesn't know
why she was there, but she knew she knew why
she was there. She was there because she told the
defense team that or what she told the FEDS, and
what she told the FBI was that she saw Brian
Higgins and former Chief Berkowitz with that vehicle for a

(39:13):
wildly long time, and she had this whole story that
now she's saying is a false memory. So it's like,
you can't be that specific in your story. And then say,
oh wait, someone told me I left it three forty five,
So obviously that didn't happen. Like you didn't dream that,
you didn't just make that up. You obviously saw it.

(39:36):
And now you get called up to the Commissioner's office,
which I actually was just speaking with someone the other
day who's been a police officer for twenty five years
and they've they've never met the commission and they've never
got called up to the office. But this girl, who
is a cop for two years for the Boston Police
Department is, you know, chit chatting with the commissioner in
the office being told to do the right thing. So
obviously someone had gotten to her to make sure she

(39:59):
did the right thing, which was basically to recant statement.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
I listen and I can totally see that side of it.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I can also see Cox pulling her up to her
off his office and saying do the right thing. Because
of how high profile this case is, I think it's
a little different than any other that we've seen in
a very long time. But I totally get what you're saying.
And you know, we talked about this for a while,
just kind of debating, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
What a weird thing to say and to use the.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Word wildly long time that stuck out to us a
wildly long time. I saw Brian Higgins and Chief Bergowitz
inside the sally Port and then all of a sudden say, well,
then I was showing a timeline and video footage and
I wasn't even there when they would have been inside
the So it's that is off to me, that's off putting.

Speaker 10 (40:46):
Well, she also stated that she saw those two with
the evidence, which was Karenried's vehicle. So you're reciting something
you saw that. You don't just make that up. I mean,
it's impossible to So Now, for example, let's say she
pulls someone over. Oh I saw you take a less
without your blinker. Now you go into court and you say, hey,

(41:06):
you're honor This woman has a false memory, So how
can we believe her? I mean, her career at this point,
it's kind of toast, like, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Would think, by the way, I don't want her investigating
anything of mine.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
She's pretty, but her memory sucks.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
And let's also add in because I think there are
people on the other side of this that might say, well,
Brian Higgins is a police officer, why wouldn't he be
around the vehicle? This is I feel like, and I
could be wrong. One oh one of just police work,
Like if you were at the home of the time
of the potential incident, aren't you then too close to

(41:42):
the case to be able to work it? Like Brian
Higgins shouldn't be around any of the any of these things,
any of the evidence, because he, in fact was there
that evening, Like he's too close to it.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
Yeah, he was a witness, you know, well I was
talking with Karen. You know, the only suspect they had
was Karen. But in any other investigation, everybody in that
home could have been a potential suspect. And now you
have these people around the only evidence that would prove
Karen's guilt or innocence. And there he is best friends

(42:16):
Chief Berkowitz in the sally Port for a wildly long time,
and then that apparently didn't happen right.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And again also hooking up with her, so you could
if you're going down that path, could be part of
a cover up.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Anyways, let's move on doctor Marie Russell.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I had no idea that the internet loves doctor Marie
Russell so much. Her and Lucky, I think are the
top two witnesses for the defense. People love these two online.
Here's doctor Marie Russell and what is.

Speaker 17 (42:44):
Your opinion and conclusion concerning those injuries?

Speaker 16 (42:48):
So there are multiple groupings of wounds. These multiple groupings
are patterns, and they are, in my opinion, were inflicted
by the teeth and clause of a dog.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So doctor Marie Russell's like, listen, no doubt in my
mind the the injuries on John O'Keefe's arms came from
a dog. Then we have Hank Brennan and the Cross
basically saying, well, how do you know, I mean, what
type of journals were you using? Show me the articles?
And she couldn't. She she had a few things that
she could show where she was like, well, I took
from this my experience, my experience.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
But I do think.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Hank did a pretty nice job of poking a few
holes in her testimony. Just to say, well, if you
can't show us a scientific journal article or anything with
this type of wounds and saying one hundred percent no
doubt coming from a dog, maybe it didn't come from
a dog.

Speaker 10 (43:48):
What do you think, Well, if it didn't come from
a dog, there's no there's no methodology of that coming
from a tail light because the lines are too did,
too power. Well, like Hank Brennan was suggesting that the
microscopic pieces of tailite that were found in the clothing
could have caused those those abrasions, which anybody who has

(44:11):
a set of eyes at this point can can look
at that arm, and anyone who has a dog, I
mean who's just either scratched or play biting, knows that
like those are from a dog. We actually just spoke
with a dog expert who was on Court TV and
he said him in his two colleagues, the minute they
saw that picture, instantly a dog bite. Now can you

(44:33):
specifically you know tell which cut is from which tooth? No,
but the pattern, and what Marie Russell says is the
pattern recognition, you put it all together, you can clearly
tell those are from a dog. I mean, I don't
know how tailight would would do that to somebody especially, I.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Mean, I guess the argument is I've never been hit
by a car.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I can't say, you know how, I don't.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Know, not right.

Speaker 10 (44:59):
But when you when you look at what tail light
is made out of, which is polycarbonate. It's one of
the hardest plastics known to man, and it does not
shatter into forty seven pieces. Now, if somebody was to
be hit by a vehicle, it might break, it might
it might break into five six pieces, but that's still
the But then you look at the cuts on his shirt.

(45:19):
The only cuts on his shirt are little round circles,
which would be like a canine tooth. His shirt was
not cut like like with you know, if you had
a jagged piece of plastic. They were all little circles
inside of his shirts. And that now way to believe
that the tail light shot little, you know, pinpoints of
circles through his shirt, made those linear scratches or abrasions

(45:42):
on his arm, and then came out of the wound
and ended up on the ground. Yet no piece of
plastic had his DNA on it that was found at
the scene. The only tail light that had DNA on
it was the tailight that was still attached to the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Okay, let's move We have a lot of people to
get there, a lot of witnesses.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Let's move on to the Dighton police officer talk tail
light speaking of he was the officer called to Karen
Reid's parents' house to take the lexus I believe to
the Sally Port right.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
Wrong.

Speaker 10 (46:14):
He was the Dighton cop that basically just came to
oversee the State Police season the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Okay, so he was there when the vehicle was initially seized.
He was there. So he got on the stand to
talk about the fact that when he first saw the
car and it was first seized, the tail it looked
a lot different from the photos that we're seeing in court.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It was damaged when the tail it was damaged, but
there was a crack missing, but it was not completely damaged.

Speaker 15 (46:43):
Sergeant Barrows, is this the condition of the right rear
tail light when you showed up at the recent household
at around.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
Three fifteen in the.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Afternoon of January twenty ninth.

Speaker 17 (46:56):
Twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Absolutely not. It's different about this photo, sir. That tail
light is completely smashed out.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Now, listen, we were talking about this, these witnesses, it's
a lot of he said. She said, who do you
choose to believe? You want to believe a Jen McCabe
or do you want to believe a Sergeant Barras. He
sounds pretty secure in his answer.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Absolutely not. The tailight did not look like that.

Speaker 10 (47:22):
Yeah, he I mean, he is the only police officer
that's involved in this case that isn't attached to the
Massachusetts State Police or the Canton PD. And he has
he has no skin in the game. He doesn't know
not one person involved in this. He may now obviously
he knows Alan Jackson, but before this, he didn't know anybody.
And when he got called last time, he was called

(47:43):
as the commonwealth witness, and he got on the stand
and he said the same thing. The tail light was
cracked and it was missing a piece. And the defense
didn't ask him any questions last time because they didn't
know what like if they kept going with questions, they
didn't know what he was going to say. So that
was satisfying to them. Okay, well you just said it.
There was a crack missing, and there was a crack
and a piece missing, and the way he described it

(48:05):
was the right side was where the piece was missing.
And when you watch that vehicle go up on the
tow truck, it literally shows what he's describing. There was
a small piece missing and the rest of the tail
light was there. And now you see the pitch of
the state Police is showing us, which is there's absolutely
no red there except the top right corner. And I mean,

(48:25):
I think he was pretty believable.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, no, I do too. I do want to ask
you though, just because we're here and I know people
are wondering if, in fact, Karen Reid did not back
into John O'Keefe and that's not the way he died,
which obviously you believe. You believe Karen's tail light was
cracked from when she left John's house the next morning,
that's where you think the crack happened.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
Well, well, it would technically be the same morning on
January twenty ninth, but at five oh seven in the morning.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Okay, I just want to make sure that, but that's
where you think the crack came from.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, okay, let's.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Move on to Lucky the plow driver. I didn't, by
the way, know that his nickname was Lucky. I was
getting tons of DMS being like, gosh, let you be
nice to Lucky, And not that I wasn't being unfair
or anything to Lucky. I just was kind of showing, Okay,
this is what the defense was trying to prove with Lucky,
and this is what Hank Brennan was trying to prove that. Hey,

(49:20):
you know, Hank was like, listen, you've gotten a lot
of celebrity. You've you've been taken photos. You like the
feeling of people being happy with your testimony, that kind
of thing.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Here's a little clip from Lucky on the stand.

Speaker 15 (49:32):
Haven't you ever been celebrated after you've testified and the way.

Speaker 14 (49:35):
Favorable for one day?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yes, the other yes, when you.

Speaker 11 (49:39):
Was celebrated to testifying a certain way, did you find
that to be encouraging?

Speaker 17 (49:44):
I did find it to be encouraging, did you I
did not want it. I don't think I deserved it.
All I was doing was my job and telling the truth.

Speaker 14 (49:57):
Did you enjoy the attention.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
That you got?

Speaker 6 (50:00):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Now I don't believe him there. I've said that yesterday
and I'll say it again. We all love attention, and
there's nothing wrong with that. It's fine. I actually would
have I think respected him more of he was like, well, yeah,
like it feels good, but you can't because it doesn't
really go with everything else that he had just said.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Bottom line is.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Lucky was on there to prove that he went up
and down that street multiple times, did not see a
body on the lawn. Now, when Hank got him in
the cross, Hank was like, well, did you notice a dumpster?
And I feel like kind of you know, focused on that.
Will you miss this? How could you have seen that? Nick?
How do you feel like Lucky did on the stand
and during his testimony.

Speaker 10 (50:39):
I think he was honest. You have to remember Lucky
lives and grew up in Canton. He was a pizza
delivery driver for Chris Albert. So by him testifying this way,
he has to potentially deal with these people on an
everyday basis now, right, so he probably sees these people
still around town. His brother's on the select board who

(51:02):
works with Chris Albert on the select board. So imagine
it would have been a lot easier for him to
go up there and say that, you know, he wasn't
paying attention. Instead, he said there was nobody on the lawn,
and he knows that household right there was a vehicle
fort Edge parked out front, so I would expect him

(51:23):
to pay attention a little bit more. For example, if
I was driving down a road and I was plowing
the house and it was like, oh, that's that's my
old friend's house, you might look at that house a
little bit more than you might look at the house
across the street who has a dumpster in itch.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
If you don't know those.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
People say hey, whose fort Edge was it?

Speaker 10 (51:39):
Well, I don't know specifically whose fort Edge is it,
but I do know at the time that Brian Albert
owned the fort Edge and his brother Kevin Albert owned
the fort Edge, but I don't specifically know whose it is.
I don't think anybody knows who it is because the
Mass Dave Police never investigated whose fort Edge it was it,
but it was part exactly where John's body was found

(52:00):
three hours later. And that's one of the point I
want to make is is you know Hank was trying
to trip him up. All Well, you said you went
there at three o'clock, you said you went there at
two forty five. Now you're saying it's this time. The
key thing is this, if he went by at any
point after twelve thirty two oh nine, which is when
they're saying Karen read struck John O'Keefe. It doesn't matter

(52:22):
if he went by at one o'clock, two o'clock, three o'clock,
at four o'clock. It's after the time alleged Karen struck him.
So John would have been on that launch, so it
doesn't matter what time he went there. Technically, we know
he went up and down the street because because the
GPS on the vehicle, that's how the FBI found Lucky
as well. This how the agency was the FBI who
interviewed Lucky. That's how they found him. And as long

(52:45):
as he went past that house after twelve thirty two,
he's saying he didn't see a body. So whether it
was two thirty two forty five or three o'clock in
the morning, the time, it might show. Okay, his memory
of the time is a little off, but he still
was after the alleged crime happened next week, we said
there was no body there.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Since we're here and you've mentioned, you know, the agency
does get mentioned a lot. Obviously they're talking about the
federal investigation, the FEDS.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
A lot of people have asked us this too.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
The FEDS have investigated this, and when they were quote investigating,
they were looking into specifically the Canton Police Department on
that correct.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
No, not necessarily, they were looking into the investigation of
John O'Keeffe of the death of John, which.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
They found no wrongdoing.

Speaker 10 (53:34):
So I personally have never seen a statement I don't
have as much faith in them anymore come into the
rescue and blowing this whole case up. But at the
same time, they don't usually come out and said, okay,
this this investigation is closed. We know what they did
find obviously, or most of what they found, because that's
how we learned about practice, text messages and things of

(53:56):
that nature. So they did hand over I think it
was three thousand pages and some gigabytes of data to
the defense and the prosecution that they were able to
use at this point. No, no one's been indicted, No
one's been in trouble for anything that has happened. Proctor
did lose his job based off what he did in
this case. But yeah, nobody has faced any actual you know,

(54:18):
punishment or jail time.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Okay, last on the stand, who I literally could have
gone to sleep, could care less one of Karen's friends
talking about the old forehead kiss.

Speaker 18 (54:29):
John went over to Karen and he gave her a
kiss on the forehead.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, and that kiss on the forehead, Why did that
stand out to you?

Speaker 18 (54:38):
Honestly, I'd never seen something like that before. A boyfriend
due to a girlfriend in public, never saw that, So
it just stood out to me.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I was like, Wow, that's the sweetest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I need her to get out more. I need her
to get out more.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Listen. I think the bottom line, she was there to
prove there was no because there, you know, there is
this narrative being pushed that maybe Karen did it on purpose,
maybe she was so mad at John did it on purpose. Well, well,
you know, here we are having a woman testify.

Speaker 10 (55:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
No, they were very happy John kissed her on the forehead.
And I've never seen anybody do anything like that. Now,
I might argue, by the way, I don't think Karen
did anything on purpose, but I might argue, I don't know.
You guys on this show, nick I can me and
the fireman can be laughing, laughing, laughing.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
One little comment hits We're not good, We're not I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
If he just kissed me seventeen times on the forehead, he.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Says something that upsets me. Things can change quick, So
I don't really the guy. Her testimony, she kind of
was a wash for me.

Speaker 10 (55:37):
Yeah, but I believe that they brought her on for
another reason as well, that Judge BEV most likely did
not allow and she was a witness that was being
harassed to change her testimony, but unfortunately it wasn't allowed.
It wasn't allowed to be talked about on the stand.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Okay, listen, I feel like there's been harassment on both
sides because we've also learned. I mean, some of these
witnesses are claiming that the defense has threatened them too,
So I like this. That's why this story is just
so crazy, because everybody is claiming they're getting harassed on
both sides. All right, let's go to Let's go to
some questions we got from listeners. And by the way, Nick,

(56:21):
this question came in and I was like, what is
this woman talking about? I actually heard it in one
of the clips that I played you. But here's her question.

Speaker 13 (56:29):
Hey, Ash, I have a question or two for Nick Rocco. One,
who's the coffer or somebody always coffin.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
In the background. Who's the coffer?

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Is it more than one coffer?

Speaker 13 (56:40):
Is there a heavy butt smoker that's just coughing the
whole time? Do we think it the coughing also relates
to like, don't say that second question. Does the jury
seem more engaged when the defense is leading or when
the prosecution is.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
So it's funny when you're in the court, there's kind
of like a lot of little noises going on. But
I when I'm in court, I don't actually notice anybody coughing.
The only person that I've I've kind of heard clear
their throat a lot was Bob Alessi. But other than that,
I don't. I don't really hear coughing much when I'm
inside the court. And then as far as the jury,

(57:22):
the specific jurors who like specific lawyers on the defense scene,
you can tell when they get up to do like
a cross examination, they become more alert alert. There are
some jurors who haven't opened a notebooks since the time
they sat down to basically.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Today, It's like when the waitress doesn't writewn down.

Speaker 10 (57:43):
Yeah, I think just listening to the story, right. And
then at the end of the day, it's like based
off what you've heard, because as you go day by day, right,
you get different feelings. So you know, you might go
through like let's just say half the testimony and feel
a certain way like okay, I kind of like maybe
she did it, and then you go a little bit
more now you're like, wait a minute, maybe maybe she

(58:04):
didn't do this, and then they you know, once you
get to the end, that last feeling you have after
hearing everything is is ultimately your gut instinct. Right, some
people really judge their gut instinct and they don't need
to take notes. So this jury, though, is a lot
it's a lot different than the last one. They're a
lot younger, a different demographic. And then also they're they're
not as they don't show as much expression. They're there.

(58:27):
A lot of them are just stonefaced listening to what
they're being told and yeah, just well Nick taking it
all in.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You and I have talked about it, and I don't
think everybody understands this number one times have changed, Like
this jury's going home at night. They're not being sequestered,
they're living their lives. They're you know, momm and daddy whatever,
it is. But also I think it's important for people
to know. Guys when they take their twenty minute morning
stretch or of a HELLBEV closet and they do lunch,
they are not allowed to discuss this case. So it's

(58:54):
not like they're ant nothing. They are not to discuss it.
So they can't go to lunch, should have a PPG
and be like, haslong that dying in the cold? What
do you think about that? It doesn't work like that.
They can't start chatting about any of this until the
closing arguments, So I might write a note down or two.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
But yes, actually yeah, I mean, because don't forget, we
have eighteen people in the juror. They don't know which
six are going to be picked to be the alternate
jurors yet, which you know, they do the random bingo ball,
They pull the numbers out, and then those six people
who just had to sit through two months don't even
get to have a say in this trial.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I know it's wild. All right, one more question and
then I have to tell you something real quick before
I let you go. But here we go, ripping Nick.

Speaker 9 (59:40):
If Darren's found not guilty on all chargers, is the
palm Milwealth just going to arrest and not look at
anybody else.

Speaker 10 (59:48):
Or well, what's going to happen with that? Yeah, I
mean at this point, for the past three years, they've
been saying it was Karen Reed who did this. Imagine
now you know, let's just say you're you're someone in
that house and they try to bring charges on you.
The first thing E Lloyd's going to say is, wait
a minute. You've been saying it's this person for the
past three years. You couldn't convict her. Now you want

(01:00:10):
to say it's my client. There's no way they've the
prosecution has been the defense team for the people inside
that house for three years now, So I cannot see
anybody being charged with the crime. And then also there
was no investigation of anybody else except Karen, so they
wouldn't really have anything against these people other than coincidences

(01:00:33):
and suspiciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Right, we can't and you know what, we don't deserve
this for a third time, Like we're tired, Nick is tired.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Bill just paying this bill? No, not a third time?

Speaker 10 (01:00:46):
Well, well, I mean Michael Morris, he said he'll try
this case as many times as he has to, and
and he announced after the last mistrial he announced. I
think it was like twenty minutes after Alan Jackson made
a speech on the Stags, he announced he was going
to retry. And you know he's up for reelection in
twenty twenty six, so if he is to retry this case,
there's the potential he gets voted out a new DA

(01:01:08):
comes in, and I would hope that if a new
DA does come in, that new DA does not do
a third trial.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Well, listen, I saved this for a last because I
want to say this as respectfully as possible. I was
driving in here this morning and I really thought to myself,
do I even want to do this interview with Nick?
Because I don't know if you know this, but we
have another court insider on the show now. Santi actually
took a drive by to thirty four fair View and
he solved it. He solved it, Nick, So we don't
really need you anymore. I might have you on next week,

(01:01:39):
I'm not sure, but now that Santi has driven by,
I feel like we have a grasp of this case now,
so we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
We will you will let you know if we need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You or not next week.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Thanks.

Speaker 10 (01:01:52):
What did you think is the yacht as big as
you thought it was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
I think the yard is much smaller.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
And I find it crazy that nobody heard the fire
trucks like outside in the middle the night concerning the
house is so close to the street. I also can
see the other side where like I had to be
looking for a body to actually see it if it
were there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I'm still in the middle about it, but find it
fascinating that nobody came out of the house.

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
Still.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Court insider Santi got him all right, Nick, you and
I talked about it back in court today. We're gonna
be looking at either arc experts or a medical examiner.
Karen said, by Tuesday of next week, things could be
wrapped up on their end. Oh my god, we could
have a verdict in the month of June. And I
know as soon as that happens, you will be our

(01:02:31):
first call. As always, Thank you, and we will talk
to you next Friday, same time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
You got to have a good day, and you too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Every time we hear from him, I'm Mike on the
other side.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Now, yeah, he says great, he's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, no, he is. And we have yet to have
anybody calling on the other side that I'm like, well, damn, yeah,
that's why I listen again. I think we do a
great job of saying that there is two sides to this,
and we can see both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
But he yeah, I mean I guess that's why we're
here in a second time around.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
So yeah, I wonder why they haven't called you for court.

Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
Vita