September 12, 2025 • 45 mins
We add some context to Hayley Williams' landmark third solo album, Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party, discuss why it's a step into uncharted territory for her and what it means for the future of Paramore.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to af First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and today we're talking about Haley
Williams fum album ego Death at a Bachelorette Party.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I love the name, Long Names.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Long name also evocative despite being a music star for
most of her life. The title suggests one who went
to college and took a philosophy course at some point.
Totally you know what that is an under That's something
that we haven't talked off air about this record yet,
(00:56):
or regarding this record yet. How relatable Haley williams songwriting
is despite the fact that she's been a touring musician
since she was a child.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think there's there's some people in this world who
have a who from a young age connect and see
things that other people aren't seeing and then you know,
put the words together in a in a way that
clicks because it is I when I when you listen
to her music, it's always like, how did she.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Come up with this? You're like, you're not one of us.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You've never been well, you're not a normal person.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It would seemed that she's not a person who has
ever lived a normal life. You were telling me a
bit about her backstory, if you want to get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah. So she.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Was born in the South, and she her family actually
like her mom and her like, had to flee an
abusive like dad and went to Nashville to start her career.
She was already signed a musician, She was already signed
(02:18):
with Atlan.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Signed it as a fourteen, fifteen year old. Yeah, as
a solo artist slash developmental.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, probably were like, you're ours, your ours for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Wouldn't you mind just belonging to a major company for
the next two decades and.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your fourteen you're like, yeah, fun. And so that was
before she even met the band. And then she mate
the band in Nashville and they all are kids, and
they all look like a delicious snack for an evil
(02:59):
and the evil corporation and record. But yeah, and then
and then twenty years later, she's finally free of the
label and she came out with Ego Deeth at a
Bach bachelorette party, her first first album as an independent artist.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so that's really the significant thing about this record.
The most significant thing is that Haley Williams is an
artist who's been under record label sort of control, at
least as far as her music career goes, for most
of her life. And now she's no longer on a
record label. Paramore is no longer on a record label,
(03:40):
so for the first time ever, she's sort of been
freed to do what she wants, at least without asking
if it's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, she because she had come out with two other
albums in the past few years.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I believe the first one was she she began writing
it during the pandemic lockdowns.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Barry that, but she was still under Atlantics.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah. I wonder if those albums counted towards the record
deal that she signed all those years ago as a child.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Who knows, I mean, who knows all, Like that's how
they that's how she got into that is because she
didn't understand the contract, or she must have not because
it's like twenty years or a number of albums you
can't have both, whichever comes forward.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Or it was a child and a mother fleeing a
domestic violence situation is described in a corporation.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Snapped it right up, and you would never imagine that
you're gonna be so big, Like when you're first getting
an opportunity, it's like you and you're young, You're.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Like, you don't you guys are gonna give me this money?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Sure, Like you don't think you deserve it and you
don't think you're gonna be worth anything ever.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And she was signed at a time when labels were
still forking it over, like they like a record label
in two thousand and five was giving you a number
that would be shocking today and probably was shocking, you
know at the time. So, yeah, Paramore becomes a thing.
They had a bunch of hits in the mid to
(05:18):
late aughts, one of the biggest like pop rock power
pop punk bands of their era. They're still around, there's
still a band. A lot of fans were kind of worried.
They probably saw that the record label news.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And they were so because the band has had so
much drama.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, there's been some drama. There's three of the original
members or three of the longtime members still in it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah still I don't even is not the word, because
they had both quit the band at some point and rejoined.
As far as I can tell, it's so confusing, all
these different coming ins and outs.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But at least one Zach Pharaoh, Zach Farroh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I think it's like when you have that much drama,
like it's like, oh, you dated my brother and then
we broke up, and you guys broke up, and then
you dated they she dated another one of the guys
in the band and then they broke up, and like, uh,
and that's over the course of twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know, we can't keep being dated by you. We
just the whole banding super Guys is exhausting.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No, I mean that has happened a million times, where
the band is dating within you know itself, and it
makes sense because you have this crazy bond and it's
so amazing. But then when you're bringing millions, hundreds of
millions of dollars into it and like the world is
(06:53):
changing at the same time, I think people are kind
of always like thinking that they might break up, Like
you're always gonna I.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Guess you're kind of on the on the brink all
the time.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, you're like this might be their last album ever.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And then the other part about it is that the record,
the solo album, is really good. So if you're if
you're a nervous paramore, an anxious Paramore fan and you
listen to Haley Williams put out her third solo record
and it's very good, and you're like, could this have
been a Paramore album?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
The other the other guys have their own solo stuff too,
But do we know if it's good? No, because they're
not Haley Williams. So I didn't look it up.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So let me play just a couple of seconds of
the I think this is the first single ice in
my OJ to give people a sense of the palette
of this record. Think about you no games to.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Play sor.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's ice in my OJ. I feel like I heard
a ton about this when it came out, and then
that was a few months ago, or at least it
was over a month ago for sure. Yeah, well, it's
not not a rock record, but it isn't the para.
It isn't what you would expect Paramore to do, so
there is like some respect at least if you could
(08:20):
call it that for the Paramore sound.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think also, you know the different sounds that they've
played with over the past couple decades, and I think
that this is really her saying this is my this
is my moment to like do the weird stuff that
I was never allowed to do because of all the
people who were going to make or lose money. Like this,
(08:50):
it's I don't think it's what I would choose if
I was a record executive. I wouldn't choose this as
like the single, the big single, because it's first of all,
not what you're expecting from them. And I feel like
a lot of the times they're like the single is
like you, it's like, oh, they're back, Like we're gonna
(09:12):
grab all the fans from before and we're gonna give
them some new version of what they liked about everything
else we've done. And this is way more like pop,
like uh, the lounge pop. It's like very chill.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The instrumentation is what you would expect from a pop artist,
but it doesn't have the the pop like sheen no
any like a Sabrina Carpenter record has. Yeah, it's definitely
indie pop, but it's not like it's also not like
as moody as you would expect from an indie pop record.
It's it's an interesting ground like middle ground or other
(09:54):
ground that that she found on this record. And uh,
four tracks in I was really enjoying it, and then
I aired to look at how many tracks run the album?
I think I have like one eye open when I
was scrolling down, like how far is this going to go?
I know, I know that these these pop stars these days,
they don't have a lot of else to do, and
(10:16):
they have a lot of help making these albums. How
many tracks is it going to be? And it's eighteen tracks, yeah,
which is just too many in my opinion. It's only
like an hour long. It's like exactly an hour long
the record, which is not too long. I think it's
a little bit long, but that's not egregious.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The songs aren't short.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Eighteen tracks so many?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like if you paired it down to ten and it's
like a thirty eight minute record, you have an awesome
You have like a perfect thirty eight minute album, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Do I she could have done it as a deluxe version,
but she's like.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, I'm streaming.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I want to put eighteen songs out and they're all
on the album. This isn't deluxe. These they're all a
part of it. And I think that is so funny,
and it's like the fans.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Want to try to sell people the same thing two times.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And she's gonna she probably has twenty more songs she
wants to put out in the next few years, and
she's like, I gotta put these out so I can
have all the tracks on the next album when I wanted,
when I want to.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Do right, Because if you start saving songs, eventually you
miss your chance. Just they don't come out exactly. They're
coming out for like the the album, the album your
family puts out after.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You die, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
All right, So let's take a quick break and we'll
we'll get into the rest of this record on a
first listening. Welcome back to first Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And we're still talking about Haley Williams Egodeth at a
Bachelorette Party. Album just came out. It is very long,
but I'm also not sure after like really one listen
through and what I would cut. There's there's not really
anything that sounded off the bat like it was not good.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, They're all good and different.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There's like a quality floor for all of the all
of the songs. I would say there's definitely some that
really stood out to me, and some of those are
later on the album. It's not like it was frontloaded
with the good songs.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, well she did.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We talked about how she did a I guess it
was a promotion or just she did a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Don't don't at my millennials, but.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
She she asked the fans on Instagram to make their
own version of the track list order. She like put
all the songs on as individual tracks, and then she
was like make playlists and so I've that also gave
me the impression that she's like, well, none of these
(13:17):
are getting cut, so I don't know what, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Get it, it's long. Just what do you want to
listen to first?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yes, exactly, and like how do you think it goes?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And get your creative your creativity out, because she said
that she that she was trying to imitate the mixtape
tradition of when they were first when she was first signed,
like early two thousands, And I thought that was very
(13:48):
funny because she she knows that her fans are going
to listen to the whole thing, and she's not like
so many artists attached to people listening to the album
straight through. Yeah, she said she like wanted she she says,
all the songs are good. I don't know what order
to put them in, you know, because they do also
(14:11):
fit together really well. There's nothing that I'm like. This
is so like Sabrina Carpenter, for example. So many songs
on Short and Sweet they were very different from each other.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But then there were like one or two where it's
like this could have been cut, but you needed to
make it X number of minutes long.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
See, I disagree. I wouldn't have cut anything. I don't
ness it. Well, we don't need to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Did a whole episode, Yeah exactly, but I agree to disagree. Yes, yes,
even though that's a good album, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Gonna no, you're not. You're not hating on it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So let's listen to a bit of the song Gloom.
This line really stuck out to me as just something that,
you know, this is coming from Hailey Williams's mind, and
it's in her soul, and it's something that only she
would say about herself. So here's Glom. This is like,
I guess the last verse.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thy saving I do not know if I know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So that and the weird vocal effect where she pitched
up her voice for some reason, she's just having a
good time. But also when was the last time a
pop star mentioned their age?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I in a lyric, it's I didn't even I
didn't even pick up on it because I was too
busy like noticing the weird audits.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
What is happening with this?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Which I was like, I.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Love this because of course, like Hailey Williams is known
to be one of the best vocalists, so nobody's ever
gonna throw auto tune or some weird effects on her voice,
like I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it's also an otherwise acoustic song. It's not like
Charlie XC thing like I'm just saying the words and
we're tuning in. Yes, it doesn't matter if I sing it,
if I sing it in key or not.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
No, it's Hailey Williams.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like you're expecting her to built and like go crazy
what she doesn't really do on this album true, which
I again, I think this is her, Like I really
think that there's so many things that the record labels
and the fans are like, we need this, we need
this version of you.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
There's got to be an anthemic sort of thing for
par More, but for Haley Wiam so solo you can
get away with doing weird shit.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, and probably also like taking care of her voice
and stuff. But what made you so? Yes the thirty
seven years thing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
On my way to thirty seven she's currently thirty six.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, it's a I mean there's so many like little
shouts out to millennial aging millennials who are listening to
her album.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, so it's it's like a bit of a swing
to me to be like, I'm not a teen idol. Yeah,
I'm something else now.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
She also looks amazing, and I feel like that always helps.
You're like, yeah, I'm thirty seven, So what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do I look? Do I look bad? No? I look
better than I ever have.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Actually, my macne's finally clear.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yes exactly, and I'm not with some annoying man anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
There's numerous lyrics on this record where made me think
I can't remember the last time I actually heard a
lyric and was like, that's really clever.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And that's just always listening to her.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So track two is glom, Track three is called kill.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Me Carrie, Mama Mo. There's torment. I think the bloodline ends.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yes, speaking of thoughts that millennials have I think I'm
where the blood lines. Bloodline ends is another pretty stark lyric. Yeah,
that's how a lot of people feel these days.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And we're like, what are you gonna do? You know,
I can't. I'm just getting to that age where it
stops being like it's like before it's like, oh I
don't want kids.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oh I do my twenties. Are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah? And then you're older and you're like, oh, I
guess I.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Need to make a decision on this.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
If I don't make moves on this now, the decision
is going to make itself. And it's uh and it's like, well,
just me looking at my cat, like we're good.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You and me.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead and call me. Can't get much
stronger for another soldier, No very We like, hey, find
someone else.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I never signed up for this, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Carrying my mother's mother's torment was also a line that
struck me, that made me stop and turn up the
track a little bit. Following that thread, we also wanted
to talk about mertazipine.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Mertazipine. Uh yeah, I do you want to play a
second brought you by mertasipy Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That would be also the kind of thing you could
do as an independent artist partner with big fun Yuh.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Finally Haley getting.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Some an opportunity to make some real money.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, No, I I didn't look. I think mertazapine is
a is a generic.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's an antidepressant.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's an antidepressant also for OCD AH which she has
is diagnosed with OCD PTSD. And uh, I love this,
I love I love just a love letter love song too.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Your meds like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's it really doesn't super stray from that, which I
love because it says so much on its own and
it's actually it's such a hard it's funny because it's
such a hard thing to talk about that type of
stuff because it's either like you're not depressed, just stop,
(20:27):
Oh the big.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Pharma is bad? Why do you blah blah blah, Or it's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like annoying mental health talk that's like also equally insufferable.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And then from an artistic perspective, writing a song explicitly
about your depression or your anxiety is pretty overdone at
this point.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And there's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A radio station in our company. I might actually have
been multiple alternative stations that did a weekly medication Monday
and just all day or maybe it was all night.
It was a night's only thing. They just have people
call in and talk about like the mental illness that
(21:13):
was afflicting them. And yeah, I mean when a company
like and when we're jumping on a trend, right, that
it's probably not that cool anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Right, exactly exactly. Probably no, And that's great.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Actually, you know we if we're gonna normalize all of
this stuff, it's gonna become it's gonna become lay.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It needs a great company, like iHeart rates exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But yeah, I really like the way that she did it.
And yeah, we know Hailey Williams struggles with depression. I mean,
come on, it's like that's what the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Genre is about.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Is like, I'm sad about it, but I'm smart too,
so I just think also, mertazipine, it's a fun thing
to say.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I like the idea of Haley Williams looking at a
medication bottle and being like, what is this even called?
Like what like because it has like the name that
they put in the ads and then there's like the
actual name and she's just like, I wonder she's feeling
really good. She just knocked out a bunch of songs.
She's like, I wonder if I could sing that word myrtazapine.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, it's literally so positive about it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, there's a line later here come my Genie in
a screwcap bottle to grant me temporary solace. I could
never be without her. I had to write a song
about her. Dumbs and roses had mister Brownstone and Hailey
Williams has mertazipine.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So then we come to the title track eponymous.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, that's not eponymous, eponymous.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think the eponymous track.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, the eponymous track.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At a bachelor party. When I first heard this, I thought,
is this a song about Nashville?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
All right, let's hear a second of it.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I'll be the biggest star.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Just racist country singers bar yes, no, yes, chasing another
bit of interpolation, No, we're no use chasing waterfalls.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yes, clc Yes, another low millennial millennial reference.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And also just a song. Let's just in your head,
like is it? It is right in everyone?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's using the word racist in your first line is
a bit of a swing and it does get you wondering,
like clearly this is a song that is not She's
not writing to the melody, She's writing about something. What
is this about? You had an idea of what of
(24:01):
where she might be coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, I'm totally seeing this as her, well, this whole album,
but definitely this song coming from her looking back on.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Who she was as like a shitty teenager.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah before yes, as a shitty, annoying teenager who's like,
I'm the coolest kid, I'm the coolest one here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make it. You guys just don't
know yet, and like and being right she was right
first and then.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Also at age thirty six, being like I was such
an asshole.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, totally, But like I think it's also it's like
you can. I also think that there's a so okay.
I think that this is like the song that she's
been she has been thinking about these things since she
was a kid, when she couldn't have her own music
and she couldn't have her own vision. But I also
(24:58):
am seeing like a parallel to where she is now
because or like where all of us are always because
it's kind of like, oh, like I'm trying to be
this great thing, but ultimately like I'm still just a
(25:20):
part of humanity.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
She's kind of shitty. Yeah, like dumb the thoughts where
I'm better. I think I'm better than that. Yeah, that's
how I interpreted. I was like, is this about her
going to a karaoke bar somewhere on a lark and
like kind of checking herself, realizing that she's thinking, like
these fucking people have no idea what what talent is
(25:45):
in their.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Midst Yes, exactly, totally.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm gonna sing my I'm gonna when my karaoke turn
comes up, I'm gonna bolow them away. And the music
video is kind of funny. She's mostly just like screwing
around in Nashville. Uh, and then it ends. It's one
of those like b roll type videos where there's not
really a plot to it. And then the last scene
(26:11):
sort of the last thing that they're sort of working
into this b role is she's singing don't go chasing
Waterfalls at a karaoke bar. It shows that there's like
ten people on the plane, like clearly they went in
the middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's great because she
is having these you know, these kind of these existential
ideas about her life and being you know, the woman
that she is now. But it also works if you
(26:46):
just are that teen listening to it now and you're like,
this is one hundred percent to the tee. I mean
this is stony for real. Yeah, Like I could totally
see being like she gets it I am when I'm
like twelve or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You're not getting up. So that brings us to a
song that I kind of ground when you said you
wanted to talk about it Discovery Channel.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
You got to listen to the groaners too. Yeah, me
baby and nothing but mammals.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.
So the song is not all that, but it might
as well be. I think if you are in your thirties,
you probably have that refrain, which is the bad touch
by the Bloodhound Gang that probably pops into your brain
for no reason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sometimes very often, I mean anytime the Discovery Channel comes up,
which is awesome often.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, well, was there even a Shark Week this year?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I don't know, but I probably because I'm probably because
I'm watching like YouTube videos about like Discovery Channel stuff
from the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Okay. Nostalgia Discovery. Yes, half the stuff they were saying
in that it's not even true. No, it was Discovery.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Since it was a bunch of made up steps.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's actually a lot of research on.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But yeah, so I definitely think about that song also. Yeah,
it was like how I learned about sex as a team.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Wait, do you mean the song the song.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
The Bad Touch? No, I'm like, okay, Doggie style get it.
But I that was mainly why I picked it because
I was like, I was also just curious about how
they did it legally and on the financials.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It seems like she had to share credit with the
Bloodhound Game.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, yeah, she basically just gave them a song
on her album.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, Whi's a pretty cool thing to do.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It is cool, And I again, I think that she's
just had this song stuck in her head since she
was fourteen, just like the rest of us. And now
she's like, finally, yeah, now I can put it on my.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right and so unfolds, like she's just kind of mindlessly
strumming a guitar and this line comes into her head
and she's just like, let's put this one on the album.
There are other lyrics in it, and probably the most
prescient one twenty something years ago. We started playing a
little game and now we're all gonna sit down and
(29:39):
we're gonna finish it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I love how she just I think she's just
so us with all of these references. And I was
watching an interview that she did with her bandmate Zach
for Pharoh.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know if it's Farah or Pharaoh.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Nobody does Zach. I think they're both coming out with
like so they both came out with solo stuff. Yeah, no,
but they did a video together, like an interview with
Spotify boo. But yeah, she they She.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Was talking about how.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
On on Riot, some song that one of the songs
on Riot that she had was like on a deadline,
needing to finish it, and she ended up she was
watching Hitch and she like put a line in the
song Smith, Yes, a line in the song like she
(30:52):
took from the movie, and she was like so embarrassed
about it this whole time, and she like reveals it
for the first time in this interview from a few
weeks ago. And I loved that because first I feel like,
what the whole like, Oh, I wrote this song on
the way to the studio thing.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It's very glamorized. But it's actually, now.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That I'm in comedy, I realize it's like, it's not
like you wanted to do that because you're so cool
and you're like, Oh, I just had a genius idea.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm gonna write it down right now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's like, Oh, I'm going to be at the studio
and I have to sing something.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Everyone is going to hate me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, like everyone's coming, they're gonna hit record and I
have to say some words. So it doesn't really matter
if I if I like them or if they're just
some dumb thing from a movie. And I just like,
I thought that having that context in with all of
(31:53):
these like fun millennial references was great because I think
it really At first, I was like, is this is
this like fan service? Not in a bad way, but
it's like, oh, you know, you're talking to the millennials,
You're making our references. But it's like, no, you're just
a millennial, and you're just not embarrassed about it. You're
(32:14):
not trying to do anything Like she's like, yeah, I'm
going to reference, you know, I'm gonna reference.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Why can't I remember their name?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
The Bloodhound Gang.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, the other one stuck on blood Hand WATERFALLSLC.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I just she's so relatable.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So the last one we wanted to talk about is
True Believer. Now you added some helpful context to this song.
I know have Hailey Williams as being a very like,
outspoken sort of liberal person. Yeah, apparently she's also a Christian.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, she's a she loves God, and I think it's
like the band kind of a group is on the
same page with that, but they never talk about it publicly.
That's not a part of their vibe. But she is
a Christian woman.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So that's shocking a little bit to me because the
visualizer on YouTube for this song hasn't inverted cross in it,
And when you read the lyrics, it sounds very much
like a criticism of Christianity and of the religious right wing,
(33:33):
and under with the understanding that Haley herself identifies that religion,
it comes into a new a light like who sic,
she's very specifically criticizing it seems a certain segment of
that population. So I'm gonna play I guess this is
(33:57):
the second verse of the song True Believer. They brought
up chain link fences underneath the biggest bridges.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They posing Christmas cards with guns as big as all
the children.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
They say that Jesus.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Is the way, but then they gave him a white face.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So they don't have to pratice someone they did lesson than.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
This. So will not Rise Again?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So you can tell that seems like a personal issue
for her. Chain link fences under bridges, so it's like
an anti homelessness measure. Christmas cards with guns, like obviously
the Republican Congress people loved doing that to show how
(34:58):
much they love the NRA.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
They say that Jesus is the way, but then they
give him a white face. Obviously Jesus was not white historically.
The South will Not Rise Again is kind of the
line of the song as being that she's from the South,
or maybe the Midwest. The southern Midwest.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Thinks she's from like Missouri.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I thought Missouri was the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh, I get confused with that.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm sure it's kind of like right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think there's probably people who feel like it is
the South who live there, and people who are like no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well there's like the there's yeah, there's the South. That's
like was a part of the thirteen Colonies. That's the
real South, right, And then she's from Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You no, she's from the South Ssissippi. Okay, I guess
I misread my abbreviations.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, that's what I also did. I was like MS yeah,
so uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And then strange fruit hard bargain, like referencing the Billie.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Holiday, So Missouri's of course, I know, we don't know
all the state the South. She also references a strange
fruit in the song. Yeah, it's a pretty shocking statement.
It is definitely jumps out.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And then but yeah, and then you go back to
the beginning and says all our best memories were bought
and then turned into apartments. The club with all the
hardcore shows now just a grayscale dominoes. So good, Like
it's about it's about the this thing, the homogenization. Like
(36:48):
it starts off with this homogenization of like every city
in this country, the US of A. And like I
think part of it is that there it's this country
is built on you know, racism and terrorism and stuff,
but there was a charm to it at some point,
(37:12):
Like that's the like I there because there used to be.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Other stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, like at least there was you know, hardcore venues
and independent.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
It felt like.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
More the world was more colorful back before every company
was like we're grays are new colors?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Do you like them?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She covers a lot in this song, and I know
who else could pull this off, Like especially in this
creepy song that's very like vocals forward. You know, it's
not like hidden in some screaming track that you don't
understand it, Like she's she's not mincing her words.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I do.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I imagine she probably has some like racist fans. She
has people, she has like a diverse fan fandom following,
and like it is important to say where you stand
(38:31):
on stuff and to like have it, uh, have it
be something people can sing along to and actually have
a conversation about.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I think it's pretty cool. You know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's like what people want from some other artists. You know,
some other artists just take the easy way and they're like,
I'm an I'm an artist, don't make me have political views.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I don't know. And it's like valid.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's valid too, because like totally I wouldn't want to
like say dumb stuff because I'm like a singer, but
I'm like I'm a comedian, so I say.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Duffsa for a living because I'm a comedian.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But no, I think that that's where she has all
this insight, all of this relatable stuff is because she
is paying attention to the world that she's in and
she doesn't seem like she ever stopped being like a
girl from the South. She I think she's just special
(39:32):
or she went through some really hard stuff and it's
a combination. But because a lot of people, I mean,
she went to a ton of therapy that was like
what she's been doing. Also in between albums is like
go to tons of Obviously she had to go to a
psychiatrist to get her mertazipine.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
No other way rockstar could get such a drug.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No, yeah, let me know if you have any mertazipine plugs.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
But they say that Jesus the way. But then they
gave him a white face, like why is it not corny?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Why?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Like yeah, that's like a sentiment that we've heard.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's old news, like we're not this is not But
she doesn't say it like it's news. She's saying, look
at these people who suck, and this is one of
the things that they do, and like, maybe you should
question that these.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Are like deeply mistaken people, yes, who are kind of
missing the point of what they're preaching.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I would say that the chorus lyrics to this is
kind of her expressing her Christianity. Possibly, I'm the one
who still loves your ghost, reanimate your bones with my belief.
And I'm the one who still loves your ghost. I
reanimate your bones because I'm a true believer. So she's
(40:56):
sort of saying, these people who are doing the other
things are not the true believers that they claim they are.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah I think that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
And so there's only five more songs.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I know, and we're gonna listen to those on another day. Now.
I really liked.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
These songs, but we can't go into all of them.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I think that it's sort.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Of her, uh, her speaking to that certain experience. The
whole album is like that experience of being in your
thirties and it's like, oh, I've actually already done a
lot of things in my life and I actually like
(41:43):
have some wisdom to share about it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And I'm more I'm forty and people stop.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Stop listening to me, and I've been turned.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Invisible to say this now I'm a woman over forty Yeah, no,
for sure and no, And she does have the mic,
and I I think.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
She really covers a really broad cross section of.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This moment right now, and I think the sound fits
into that as well, along with being a newly freed artist.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, the whole record is very fresh sounding. Nothing on
it comes off to me as like wrote, as something
I've heard before, something I'm tired of hearing. It just
feel it feels inspired, and it feels very of the moment,
and I'm going to listen to at least some of
(42:41):
the songs again for sure. So I think that's our
episode dome. Yeah. Do you want to tell people when
the next you see Black?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Thanks, it's the next you See Black is on September
twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
And great day.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
It's a great day. It is someone's birthday. I don't know,
someone someone cool maybe.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, probably, and Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Warriors exactly, and we almost celebrate.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
My brother texted me last year on my birthday. He
was like, happy birthday. By the way, did you know
Steve Kerr has the same birthday as you? And I'm like, yeah,
there's like two other two famous other two famous people
you have the same birthday as me. It's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, well it was your birthday first. Yeah, I decided, well,
I've never heard of these men in spirit, so it's
the only important day to me. But yes, September twenty seventh,
it's going to be It's the ten birthday show, Andrew's birthday,
and we're going to be celebrating.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
With shows dedicated to me.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yes, first ever, first ever you see Black dedicated to
a white man.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
But that's how special he is.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, come through April, K will be we'll be there playings.
First first listens to first live performance from her new
upcoming music.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh right on, that's going to be very fun. And
unless I have a surprise party that takes me elsewhere,
I will be there too.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yay. At first listen X you See Black X.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
A surprise parties for me please? Yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
It mixed signals there you're sending all right? That was hard.
First listen. Tell us about yours at afters Listen podcast
on Instagram and YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah maybe maybe maybe YouTube. This episode will probably not be.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
There, but future episodes might.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
So thanks for listening. We'll be back next time.
Welcome to af First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and today we're talking about Haley
Williams fum album ego Death at a Bachelorette Party.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I love the name, Long Names.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Long name also evocative despite being a music star for
most of her life. The title suggests one who went
to college and took a philosophy course at some point.
Totally you know what that is an under That's something
that we haven't talked off air about this record yet,
(00:56):
or regarding this record yet. How relatable Haley williams songwriting
is despite the fact that she's been a touring musician
since she was a child.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think there's there's some people in this world who
have a who from a young age connect and see
things that other people aren't seeing and then you know,
put the words together in a in a way that
clicks because it is I when I when you listen
to her music, it's always like, how did she.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Come up with this? You're like, you're not one of us.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You've never been well, you're not a normal person.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It would seemed that she's not a person who has
ever lived a normal life. You were telling me a
bit about her backstory, if you want to get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah. So she.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Was born in the South, and she her family actually
like her mom and her like, had to flee an
abusive like dad and went to Nashville to start her career.
She was already signed a musician, She was already signed
(02:18):
with Atlan.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Signed it as a fourteen, fifteen year old. Yeah, as
a solo artist slash developmental.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, probably were like, you're ours, your ours for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Wouldn't you mind just belonging to a major company for
the next two decades and.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your fourteen you're like, yeah, fun. And so that was
before she even met the band. And then she mate
the band in Nashville and they all are kids, and
they all look like a delicious snack for an evil
(02:59):
and the evil corporation and record. But yeah, and then
and then twenty years later, she's finally free of the
label and she came out with Ego Deeth at a
Bach bachelorette party, her first first album as an independent artist.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so that's really the significant thing about this record.
The most significant thing is that Haley Williams is an
artist who's been under record label sort of control, at
least as far as her music career goes, for most
of her life. And now she's no longer on a
record label. Paramore is no longer on a record label,
(03:40):
so for the first time ever, she's sort of been
freed to do what she wants, at least without asking
if it's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, she because she had come out with two other
albums in the past few years.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I believe the first one was she she began writing
it during the pandemic lockdowns.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Barry that, but she was still under Atlantics.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah. I wonder if those albums counted towards the record
deal that she signed all those years ago as a child.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Who knows, I mean, who knows all, Like that's how
they that's how she got into that is because she
didn't understand the contract, or she must have not because
it's like twenty years or a number of albums you
can't have both, whichever comes forward.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Or it was a child and a mother fleeing a
domestic violence situation is described in a corporation.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Snapped it right up, and you would never imagine that
you're gonna be so big, Like when you're first getting
an opportunity, it's like you and you're young, You're.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Like, you don't you guys are gonna give me this money?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Sure, Like you don't think you deserve it and you
don't think you're gonna be worth anything ever.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And she was signed at a time when labels were
still forking it over, like they like a record label
in two thousand and five was giving you a number
that would be shocking today and probably was shocking, you
know at the time. So, yeah, Paramore becomes a thing.
They had a bunch of hits in the mid to
(05:18):
late aughts, one of the biggest like pop rock power
pop punk bands of their era. They're still around, there's
still a band. A lot of fans were kind of worried.
They probably saw that the record label news.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And they were so because the band has had so
much drama.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, there's been some drama. There's three of the original
members or three of the longtime members still in it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah still I don't even is not the word, because
they had both quit the band at some point and rejoined.
As far as I can tell, it's so confusing, all
these different coming ins and outs.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But at least one Zach Pharaoh, Zach Farroh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I think it's like when you have that much drama,
like it's like, oh, you dated my brother and then
we broke up, and you guys broke up, and then
you dated they she dated another one of the guys
in the band and then they broke up, and like, uh,
and that's over the course of twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know, we can't keep being dated by you. We
just the whole banding super Guys is exhausting.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No, I mean that has happened a million times, where
the band is dating within you know itself, and it
makes sense because you have this crazy bond and it's
so amazing. But then when you're bringing millions, hundreds of
millions of dollars into it and like the world is
(06:53):
changing at the same time, I think people are kind
of always like thinking that they might break up, Like
you're always gonna I.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Guess you're kind of on the on the brink all
the time.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, you're like this might be their last album ever.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And then the other part about it is that the record,
the solo album, is really good. So if you're if
you're a nervous paramore, an anxious Paramore fan and you
listen to Haley Williams put out her third solo record
and it's very good, and you're like, could this have
been a Paramore album?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
The other the other guys have their own solo stuff too,
But do we know if it's good? No, because they're
not Haley Williams. So I didn't look it up.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So let me play just a couple of seconds of
the I think this is the first single ice in
my OJ to give people a sense of the palette
of this record. Think about you no games to.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Play sor.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's ice in my OJ. I feel like I heard
a ton about this when it came out, and then
that was a few months ago, or at least it
was over a month ago for sure. Yeah, well, it's
not not a rock record, but it isn't the para.
It isn't what you would expect Paramore to do, so
there is like some respect at least if you could
(08:20):
call it that for the Paramore sound.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think also, you know the different sounds that they've
played with over the past couple decades, and I think
that this is really her saying this is my this
is my moment to like do the weird stuff that
I was never allowed to do because of all the
people who were going to make or lose money. Like this,
(08:50):
it's I don't think it's what I would choose if
I was a record executive. I wouldn't choose this as
like the single, the big single, because it's first of all,
not what you're expecting from them. And I feel like
a lot of the times they're like the single is
like you, it's like, oh, they're back, Like we're gonna
(09:12):
grab all the fans from before and we're gonna give
them some new version of what they liked about everything
else we've done. And this is way more like pop,
like uh, the lounge pop. It's like very chill.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The instrumentation is what you would expect from a pop artist,
but it doesn't have the the pop like sheen no
any like a Sabrina Carpenter record has. Yeah, it's definitely
indie pop, but it's not like it's also not like
as moody as you would expect from an indie pop record.
It's it's an interesting ground like middle ground or other
(09:54):
ground that that she found on this record. And uh,
four tracks in I was really enjoying it, and then
I aired to look at how many tracks run the album?
I think I have like one eye open when I
was scrolling down, like how far is this going to go?
I know, I know that these these pop stars these days,
they don't have a lot of else to do, and
(10:16):
they have a lot of help making these albums. How
many tracks is it going to be? And it's eighteen tracks, yeah,
which is just too many in my opinion. It's only
like an hour long. It's like exactly an hour long
the record, which is not too long. I think it's
a little bit long, but that's not egregious.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The songs aren't short.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Eighteen tracks so many?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like if you paired it down to ten and it's
like a thirty eight minute record, you have an awesome
You have like a perfect thirty eight minute album, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Do I she could have done it as a deluxe version,
but she's like.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, I'm streaming.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I want to put eighteen songs out and they're all
on the album. This isn't deluxe. These they're all a
part of it. And I think that is so funny,
and it's like the fans.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Want to try to sell people the same thing two times.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And she's gonna she probably has twenty more songs she
wants to put out in the next few years, and
she's like, I gotta put these out so I can
have all the tracks on the next album when I wanted,
when I want to.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Do right, Because if you start saving songs, eventually you
miss your chance. Just they don't come out exactly. They're
coming out for like the the album, the album your
family puts out after.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You die, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
All right, So let's take a quick break and we'll
we'll get into the rest of this record on a
first listening. Welcome back to first Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And we're still talking about Haley Williams Egodeth at a
Bachelorette Party. Album just came out. It is very long,
but I'm also not sure after like really one listen
through and what I would cut. There's there's not really
anything that sounded off the bat like it was not good.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, They're all good and different.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There's like a quality floor for all of the all
of the songs. I would say there's definitely some that
really stood out to me, and some of those are
later on the album. It's not like it was frontloaded
with the good songs.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, well she did.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We talked about how she did a I guess it
was a promotion or just she did a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Don't don't at my millennials, but.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
She she asked the fans on Instagram to make their
own version of the track list order. She like put
all the songs on as individual tracks, and then she
was like make playlists and so I've that also gave
me the impression that she's like, well, none of these
(13:17):
are getting cut, so I don't know what, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Get it, it's long. Just what do you want to
listen to first?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yes, exactly, and like how do you think it goes?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And get your creative your creativity out, because she said
that she that she was trying to imitate the mixtape
tradition of when they were first when she was first signed,
like early two thousands, And I thought that was very
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funny because she she knows that her fans are going
to listen to the whole thing, and she's not like
so many artists attached to people listening to the album
straight through. Yeah, she said she like wanted she she says,
all the songs are good. I don't know what order
to put them in, you know, because they do also
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fit together really well. There's nothing that I'm like. This
is so like Sabrina Carpenter, for example. So many songs
on Short and Sweet they were very different from each other.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But then there were like one or two where it's
like this could have been cut, but you needed to
make it X number of minutes long.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
See, I disagree. I wouldn't have cut anything. I don't
ness it. Well, we don't need to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Did a whole episode, Yeah exactly, but I agree to disagree. Yes, yes,
even though that's a good album, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Gonna no, you're not. You're not hating on it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So let's listen to a bit of the song Gloom.
This line really stuck out to me as just something that,
you know, this is coming from Hailey Williams's mind, and
it's in her soul, and it's something that only she
would say about herself. So here's Glom. This is like,
I guess the last verse.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thy saving I do not know if I know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So that and the weird vocal effect where she pitched
up her voice for some reason, she's just having a
good time. But also when was the last time a
pop star mentioned their age?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I in a lyric, it's I didn't even I
didn't even pick up on it because I was too
busy like noticing the weird audits.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
What is happening with this?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Which I was like, I.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Love this because of course, like Hailey Williams is known
to be one of the best vocalists, so nobody's ever
gonna throw auto tune or some weird effects on her voice,
like I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it's also an otherwise acoustic song. It's not like
Charlie XC thing like I'm just saying the words and
we're tuning in. Yes, it doesn't matter if I sing it,
if I sing it in key or not.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
No, it's Hailey Williams.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like you're expecting her to built and like go crazy
what she doesn't really do on this album true, which
I again, I think this is her, Like I really
think that there's so many things that the record labels
and the fans are like, we need this, we need
this version of you.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
There's got to be an anthemic sort of thing for
par More, but for Haley Wiam so solo you can
get away with doing weird shit.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, and probably also like taking care of her voice
and stuff. But what made you so? Yes the thirty
seven years thing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
On my way to thirty seven she's currently thirty six.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, it's a I mean there's so many like little
shouts out to millennial aging millennials who are listening to
her album.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, so it's it's like a bit of a swing
to me to be like, I'm not a teen idol. Yeah,
I'm something else now.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
She also looks amazing, and I feel like that always helps.
You're like, yeah, I'm thirty seven, So what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do I look? Do I look bad? No? I look
better than I ever have.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Actually, my macne's finally clear.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yes exactly, and I'm not with some annoying man anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
There's numerous lyrics on this record where made me think
I can't remember the last time I actually heard a
lyric and was like, that's really clever.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And that's just always listening to her.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So track two is glom, Track three is called kill.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Me Carrie, Mama Mo. There's torment. I think the bloodline ends.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yes, speaking of thoughts that millennials have I think I'm
where the blood lines. Bloodline ends is another pretty stark lyric. Yeah,
that's how a lot of people feel these days.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And we're like, what are you gonna do? You know,
I can't. I'm just getting to that age where it
stops being like it's like before it's like, oh I
don't want kids.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oh I do my twenties. Are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah? And then you're older and you're like, oh, I
guess I.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Need to make a decision on this.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
If I don't make moves on this now, the decision
is going to make itself. And it's uh and it's like, well,
just me looking at my cat, like we're good.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You and me.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead and call me. Can't get much
stronger for another soldier, No very We like, hey, find
someone else.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I never signed up for this, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Carrying my mother's mother's torment was also a line that
struck me, that made me stop and turn up the
track a little bit. Following that thread, we also wanted
to talk about mertazipine.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Mertazipine. Uh yeah, I do you want to play a
second brought you by mertasipy Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That would be also the kind of thing you could
do as an independent artist partner with big fun Yuh.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Finally Haley getting.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Some an opportunity to make some real money.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, No, I I didn't look. I think mertazapine is
a is a generic.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's an antidepressant.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's an antidepressant also for OCD AH which she has
is diagnosed with OCD PTSD. And uh, I love this,
I love I love just a love letter love song too.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Your meds like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's it really doesn't super stray from that, which I
love because it says so much on its own and
it's actually it's such a hard it's funny because it's
such a hard thing to talk about that type of
stuff because it's either like you're not depressed, just stop,
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Oh the big.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Pharma is bad? Why do you blah blah blah, Or it's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like annoying mental health talk that's like also equally insufferable.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And then from an artistic perspective, writing a song explicitly
about your depression or your anxiety is pretty overdone at
this point.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And there's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A radio station in our company. I might actually have
been multiple alternative stations that did a weekly medication Monday
and just all day or maybe it was all night.
It was a night's only thing. They just have people
call in and talk about like the mental illness that
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was afflicting them. And yeah, I mean when a company
like and when we're jumping on a trend, right, that
it's probably not that cool anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Right, exactly exactly. Probably no, And that's great.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Actually, you know we if we're gonna normalize all of
this stuff, it's gonna become it's gonna become lay.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It needs a great company, like iHeart rates exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But yeah, I really like the way that she did it.
And yeah, we know Hailey Williams struggles with depression. I mean,
come on, it's like that's what the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Genre is about.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Is like, I'm sad about it, but I'm smart too,
so I just think also, mertazipine, it's a fun thing
to say.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I like the idea of Haley Williams looking at a
medication bottle and being like, what is this even called?
Like what like because it has like the name that
they put in the ads and then there's like the
actual name and she's just like, I wonder she's feeling
really good. She just knocked out a bunch of songs.
She's like, I wonder if I could sing that word myrtazapine.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, it's literally so positive about it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, there's a line later here come my Genie in
a screwcap bottle to grant me temporary solace. I could
never be without her. I had to write a song
about her. Dumbs and roses had mister Brownstone and Hailey
Williams has mertazipine.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So then we come to the title track eponymous.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, that's not eponymous, eponymous.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think the eponymous track.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, the eponymous track.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At a bachelor party. When I first heard this, I thought,
is this a song about Nashville?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
All right, let's hear a second of it.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I'll be the biggest star.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Just racist country singers bar yes, no, yes, chasing another
bit of interpolation, No, we're no use chasing waterfalls.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yes, clc Yes, another low millennial millennial reference.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And also just a song. Let's just in your head,
like is it? It is right in everyone?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's using the word racist in your first line is
a bit of a swing and it does get you wondering,
like clearly this is a song that is not She's
not writing to the melody, She's writing about something. What
is this about? You had an idea of what of
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where she might be coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, I'm totally seeing this as her, well, this whole album,
but definitely this song coming from her looking back on.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Who she was as like a shitty teenager.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah before yes, as a shitty, annoying teenager who's like,
I'm the coolest kid, I'm the coolest one here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make it. You guys just don't
know yet, and like and being right she was right
first and then.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Also at age thirty six, being like I was such
an asshole.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, totally, But like I think it's also it's like
you can. I also think that there's a so okay.
I think that this is like the song that she's
been she has been thinking about these things since she
was a kid, when she couldn't have her own music
and she couldn't have her own vision. But I also
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am seeing like a parallel to where she is now
because or like where all of us are always because
it's kind of like, oh, like I'm trying to be
this great thing, but ultimately like I'm still just a
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part of humanity.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
She's kind of shitty. Yeah, like dumb the thoughts where
I'm better. I think I'm better than that. Yeah, that's
how I interpreted. I was like, is this about her
going to a karaoke bar somewhere on a lark and
like kind of checking herself, realizing that she's thinking, like
these fucking people have no idea what what talent is
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in their.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Midst Yes, exactly, totally.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm gonna sing my I'm gonna when my karaoke turn
comes up, I'm gonna bolow them away. And the music
video is kind of funny. She's mostly just like screwing
around in Nashville. Uh, and then it ends. It's one
of those like b roll type videos where there's not
really a plot to it. And then the last scene
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sort of the last thing that they're sort of working
into this b role is she's singing don't go chasing
Waterfalls at a karaoke bar. It shows that there's like
ten people on the plane, like clearly they went in
the middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's great because she
is having these you know, these kind of these existential
ideas about her life and being you know, the woman
that she is now. But it also works if you
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just are that teen listening to it now and you're like,
this is one hundred percent to the tee. I mean
this is stony for real. Yeah, Like I could totally
see being like she gets it I am when I'm
like twelve or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You're not getting up. So that brings us to a
song that I kind of ground when you said you
wanted to talk about it Discovery Channel.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
You got to listen to the groaners too. Yeah, me
baby and nothing but mammals.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.
So the song is not all that, but it might
as well be. I think if you are in your thirties,
you probably have that refrain, which is the bad touch
by the Bloodhound Gang that probably pops into your brain
for no reason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sometimes very often, I mean anytime the Discovery Channel comes up,
which is awesome often.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, well, was there even a Shark Week this year?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I don't know, but I probably because I'm probably because
I'm watching like YouTube videos about like Discovery Channel stuff
from the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Okay. Nostalgia Discovery. Yes, half the stuff they were saying
in that it's not even true. No, it was Discovery.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Since it was a bunch of made up steps.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's actually a lot of research on.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But yeah, so I definitely think about that song also. Yeah,
it was like how I learned about sex as a team.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Wait, do you mean the song the song.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
The Bad Touch? No, I'm like, okay, Doggie style get it.
But I that was mainly why I picked it because
I was like, I was also just curious about how
they did it legally and on the financials.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It seems like she had to share credit with the
Bloodhound Game.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, yeah, she basically just gave them a song
on her album.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, Whi's a pretty cool thing to do.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It is cool, And I again, I think that she's
just had this song stuck in her head since she
was fourteen, just like the rest of us. And now
she's like, finally, yeah, now I can put it on my.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right and so unfolds, like she's just kind of mindlessly
strumming a guitar and this line comes into her head
and she's just like, let's put this one on the album.
There are other lyrics in it, and probably the most
prescient one twenty something years ago. We started playing a
little game and now we're all gonna sit down and
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we're gonna finish it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I love how she just I think she's just
so us with all of these references. And I was
watching an interview that she did with her bandmate Zach
for Pharoh.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know if it's Farah or Pharaoh.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Nobody does Zach. I think they're both coming out with
like so they both came out with solo stuff. Yeah, no,
but they did a video together, like an interview with
Spotify boo. But yeah, she they She.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Was talking about how.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
On on Riot, some song that one of the songs
on Riot that she had was like on a deadline,
needing to finish it, and she ended up she was
watching Hitch and she like put a line in the
song Smith, Yes, a line in the song like she
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took from the movie, and she was like so embarrassed
about it this whole time, and she like reveals it
for the first time in this interview from a few
weeks ago. And I loved that because first I feel like,
what the whole like, Oh, I wrote this song on
the way to the studio thing.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It's very glamorized. But it's actually, now.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That I'm in comedy, I realize it's like, it's not
like you wanted to do that because you're so cool
and you're like, Oh, I just had a genius idea.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm gonna write it down right now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's like, Oh, I'm going to be at the studio
and I have to sing something.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Everyone is going to hate me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, like everyone's coming, they're gonna hit record and I
have to say some words. So it doesn't really matter
if I if I like them or if they're just
some dumb thing from a movie. And I just like,
I thought that having that context in with all of
(31:53):
these like fun millennial references was great because I think
it really At first, I was like, is this is
this like fan service? Not in a bad way, but
it's like, oh, you know, you're talking to the millennials,
You're making our references. But it's like, no, you're just
a millennial, and you're just not embarrassed about it. You're
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not trying to do anything Like she's like, yeah, I'm
going to reference, you know, I'm gonna reference.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Why can't I remember their name?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
The Bloodhound Gang.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, the other one stuck on blood Hand WATERFALLSLC.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I just she's so relatable.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So the last one we wanted to talk about is
True Believer. Now you added some helpful context to this song.
I know have Hailey Williams as being a very like,
outspoken sort of liberal person. Yeah, apparently she's also a Christian.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, she's a she loves God, and I think it's
like the band kind of a group is on the
same page with that, but they never talk about it publicly.
That's not a part of their vibe. But she is
a Christian woman.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So that's shocking a little bit to me because the
visualizer on YouTube for this song hasn't inverted cross in it,
And when you read the lyrics, it sounds very much
like a criticism of Christianity and of the religious right wing,
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and under with the understanding that Haley herself identifies that religion,
it comes into a new a light like who sic,
she's very specifically criticizing it seems a certain segment of
that population. So I'm gonna play I guess this is
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the second verse of the song True Believer. They brought
up chain link fences underneath the biggest bridges.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They posing Christmas cards with guns as big as all
the children.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
They say that Jesus.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Is the way, but then they gave him a white face.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So they don't have to pratice someone they did lesson than.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
This. So will not Rise Again?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So you can tell that seems like a personal issue
for her. Chain link fences under bridges, so it's like
an anti homelessness measure. Christmas cards with guns, like obviously
the Republican Congress people loved doing that to show how
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much they love the NRA.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
They say that Jesus is the way, but then they
give him a white face. Obviously Jesus was not white historically.
The South will Not Rise Again is kind of the
line of the song as being that she's from the South,
or maybe the Midwest. The southern Midwest.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Thinks she's from like Missouri.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I thought Missouri was the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh, I get confused with that.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm sure it's kind of like right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think there's probably people who feel like it is
the South who live there, and people who are like no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well there's like the there's yeah, there's the South. That's
like was a part of the thirteen Colonies. That's the
real South, right, And then she's from Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You no, she's from the South Ssissippi. Okay, I guess
I misread my abbreviations.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, that's what I also did. I was like MS yeah,
so uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And then strange fruit hard bargain, like referencing the Billie.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Holiday, So Missouri's of course, I know, we don't know
all the state the South. She also references a strange
fruit in the song. Yeah, it's a pretty shocking statement.
It is definitely jumps out.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And then but yeah, and then you go back to
the beginning and says all our best memories were bought
and then turned into apartments. The club with all the
hardcore shows now just a grayscale dominoes. So good, Like
it's about it's about the this thing, the homogenization. Like
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it starts off with this homogenization of like every city
in this country, the US of A. And like I
think part of it is that there it's this country
is built on you know, racism and terrorism and stuff,
but there was a charm to it at some point,
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Like that's the like I there because there used to be.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Other stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, like at least there was you know, hardcore venues
and independent.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
It felt like.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
More the world was more colorful back before every company
was like we're grays are new colors?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Do you like them?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She covers a lot in this song, and I know
who else could pull this off, Like especially in this
creepy song that's very like vocals forward. You know, it's
not like hidden in some screaming track that you don't
understand it, Like she's she's not mincing her words.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I do.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I imagine she probably has some like racist fans. She
has people, she has like a diverse fan fandom following,
and like it is important to say where you stand
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on stuff and to like have it, uh, have it
be something people can sing along to and actually have
a conversation about.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I think it's pretty cool. You know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's like what people want from some other artists. You know,
some other artists just take the easy way and they're like,
I'm an I'm an artist, don't make me have political views.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I don't know. And it's like valid.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's valid too, because like totally I wouldn't want to
like say dumb stuff because I'm like a singer, but
I'm like I'm a comedian, so I say.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Duffsa for a living because I'm a comedian.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But no, I think that that's where she has all
this insight, all of this relatable stuff is because she
is paying attention to the world that she's in and
she doesn't seem like she ever stopped being like a
girl from the South. She I think she's just special
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or she went through some really hard stuff and it's
a combination. But because a lot of people, I mean,
she went to a ton of therapy that was like
what she's been doing. Also in between albums is like
go to tons of Obviously she had to go to a
psychiatrist to get her mertazipine.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
No other way rockstar could get such a drug.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No, yeah, let me know if you have any mertazipine plugs.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
But they say that Jesus the way. But then they
gave him a white face, like why is it not corny?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Why?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Like yeah, that's like a sentiment that we've heard.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's old news, like we're not this is not But
she doesn't say it like it's news. She's saying, look
at these people who suck, and this is one of
the things that they do, and like, maybe you should
question that these.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Are like deeply mistaken people, yes, who are kind of
missing the point of what they're preaching.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I would say that the chorus lyrics to this is
kind of her expressing her Christianity. Possibly, I'm the one
who still loves your ghost, reanimate your bones with my belief.
And I'm the one who still loves your ghost. I
reanimate your bones because I'm a true believer. So she's
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sort of saying, these people who are doing the other
things are not the true believers that they claim they are.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah I think that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
And so there's only five more songs.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I know, and we're gonna listen to those on another day. Now.
I really liked.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
These songs, but we can't go into all of them.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I think that it's sort.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Of her, uh, her speaking to that certain experience. The
whole album is like that experience of being in your
thirties and it's like, oh, I've actually already done a
lot of things in my life and I actually like
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have some wisdom to share about it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And I'm more I'm forty and people stop.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Stop listening to me, and I've been turned.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Invisible to say this now I'm a woman over forty Yeah, no,
for sure and no, And she does have the mic,
and I I think.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
She really covers a really broad cross section of.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This moment right now, and I think the sound fits
into that as well, along with being a newly freed artist.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, the whole record is very fresh sounding. Nothing on
it comes off to me as like wrote, as something
I've heard before, something I'm tired of hearing. It just
feel it feels inspired, and it feels very of the moment,
and I'm going to listen to at least some of
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the songs again for sure. So I think that's our
episode dome. Yeah. Do you want to tell people when
the next you see Black?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Thanks, it's the next you See Black is on September
twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
And great day.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
It's a great day. It is someone's birthday. I don't know,
someone someone cool maybe.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, probably, and Steve Kerr.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Warriors exactly, and we almost celebrate.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
My brother texted me last year on my birthday. He
was like, happy birthday. By the way, did you know
Steve Kerr has the same birthday as you? And I'm like, yeah,
there's like two other two famous other two famous people
you have the same birthday as me. It's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, well it was your birthday first. Yeah, I decided, well,
I've never heard of these men in spirit, so it's
the only important day to me. But yes, September twenty seventh,
it's going to be It's the ten birthday show, Andrew's birthday,
and we're going to be celebrating.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
With shows dedicated to me.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yes, first ever, first ever you see Black dedicated to
a white man.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
But that's how special he is.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, come through April, K will be we'll be there playings.
First first listens to first live performance from her new
upcoming music.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh right on, that's going to be very fun. And
unless I have a surprise party that takes me elsewhere,
I will be there too.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yay. At first listen X you See Black X.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
A surprise parties for me please? Yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
It mixed signals there you're sending all right? That was hard.
First listen. Tell us about yours at afters Listen podcast
on Instagram and YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah maybe maybe maybe YouTube. This episode will probably not be.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
There, but future episodes might.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
So thanks for listening. We'll be back next time.
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