October 9, 2025 • 18 mins
We dive into John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s powerful 1972 statement on political violence, “Sunday Bloody Sunday,” which has just been re-released in a gigantic (potentially evil capitalist) box set.
Dominique rants about commercial art versus performance art, and we discuss Yoko Ono’s immense impact on the latter.
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Dominique rants about commercial art versus performance art, and we discuss Yoko Ono’s immense impact on the latter.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I I'm Andrew, I'm Dominie, and today we're talking about
the released version of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's Sunday
Bloody Sunday from nineteen seventy two, from this Sometime in
New York City album, a song I did not know
about until it was re released.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I didn't know about it either, I think I did.
Was it a well known thing in that moment or
it was like it was just one of their more
autistic kind of endeavors.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think when John Lennon was doing anything in nineteen
seven two, everybody knew about it facts, and he and
Yoko Ono were kind of getting headlines no matter whether
they were doing anything or nothing. So this was a
bit of a trip for me because me as someone
(01:17):
in their thirties, seeing the song title Sunday Bloody Sunday,
I immediately think of you two and their song from
I think nineteen eighty three. It's the same title of
song referencing the same event, the Bloody Sunday event in
Northern Ireland where British soldiers shot and killed at least
(01:44):
thirteen unarmed protesters in Dairy is the town Dairy, Northern Ireland,
and John, a master lyricist, even in a protest song,
uses the term dairy air. It didn't help himself.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
If there wasn't proof, If there wasn't proof, I guess there.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I would think.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That that Yoko went back in time to nineteen seventy
two and made this happen so that they would have
the first because she could be a time traveler.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, why not if someone.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is and I so that they would have the more
timely and maybe in the end more popular song, because
John Lennon will always be the most popular, because how
did they They came out with it right away nineteen
seventy two, it happened. They already had a song for
it before the year was over.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Nin It's credited as the first song referencing this event.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Which even that is a stretch, because Irish people love
making up songs.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I bet they were coming up.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
With songs the day of, but definitely the most popular
because actually like the Sunday bloody Sunday thing, I would
be willing to bet that that was just like a
turn of phrase.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
How how people were saying it at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I feel like that was maybe a newspaper headline
or something, So it's got to be something that like
everybody saw.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, it wasn't like len came up with it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And then, as far as I know, the Lenin and
the U two songs are not related except that they're
about the same event. So I mean, You two is
almost certainly aware of this song. They are Beatles disciples.
From all I can tell, they would have known about
the John Lennon song, and I guess good for them,
(03:45):
it didn't dissuade them from titling their song what they
wanted to title it. My first question was, wait, was
the You two song a cover? Not a cover, not
even close one amongst you on the game?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Not a soul JH Boy Westly And when they never comment.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
He resisted, this song is such a roller coaster. I
do like it, but I mean it's it's extremely groovy
for a John Lennon song. This is not the type
of tempo that you expect from a John Lennon post
Beatles record.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It sounds like come together.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it's got the basics that come together beat something
that I always sort of credited to Paul McCartney and Ringo.
I felt like they took some like weepy kind of
John Lennon song. It was a moody John Lennon thing
and kind of gave it, gave it a little funk.
But here John with his solo band is bringing bringing
(04:59):
that sound to it. And then he's also got to
give Yoko something to do, so why not sing the refrain?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And they were in New York at the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think the concept for this album was to just
kind of rip stuff from headlines and he there's a
quote of him pushing back against critics of this song.
He's like, it's just a song. I wrote it really quick.
It's not meant to be picked apart like the Mona Lisa.
It's just a little folk song. It was just my
(05:31):
reaction to this event where the.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
People were just taking it way too seriously in the moment.
But now it seems like this re release is meant
to be taken quite Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This really this is where again. I mean, it's the
press release says the John Lennon the State. The John
Lennon the State is run by Yoko Ono, or more specifically,
John and Yoko's son Sean Ono Lennon. So like those
two are behind this, and they picked this song at
this time for a very specific reason to decry political violence,
(06:06):
because that's what the Bloody Sunday incident was about, soldiers
firing unarmed protesters. And obviously this is top of mind
for us right now in the United States, where both
Sean and Yoko have lived for most of their lives.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I do. I think more and more.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Like the artists of the world seem to be speaking
up about how we're all, like, all of the freedom
fighters and political victims of war are all a part
of the same story. And so I did like the
(06:51):
music video, the lyric video. It wasn't a lyric video
it was it was a music It was an animated
anim visual.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, like they leave nothing to interpretation in this new
video that they've created. John and A Lennon by the way,
also a filmmaker. Now, so the video kind of is
a slideshow of all these statistics and all these incidents
of gun violence. And I believe it's specific to from
(07:22):
from the murder of John Lennon through today or through
the point when the video is made of all these
incidents of gun violence so that's the statement that they're
trying to make.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, which YO, respect and I really appreciate the message.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I have, but I have two things on it.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
One is I just want ahead and google that number
that I saw one number that I was like, I
don't know if that looks right to me, and I
was finding an unclear result, which okay, so basically one
of the numbers in there, it says one point five
million Americans I have died of gun violence since John
(08:06):
Lennon's death, one of the numbers they say, And I
was like, really, and because I was just like, that just.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Sounds off, So I googled it and.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
One for one thing is there is a very little
data on that, which was a big thing that I
was questioning when I saw it, because basically since Trump
was first elected, he got they were like, no more
counting that, we don't count that anymore, so like we have,
And then before that they how much data were they keeping?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know, we don't. It's like all over the place.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So these numbers are they're all approximate, which brings me
to my next.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Sure are you sure they said americans or just people?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I thought it said americans, But now I'm not sure
even if it's people.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, they're also bringing in other they're bringing in
like the genocide in Darfur as you know, one of
these incidents. They're not focusing it on American gun violence.
They're talking about gun violence across the world.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, And it is like it is all of these
things are based on data that like changes or is
not really true in the first place, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Or is deleted by certain yes.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Interests exactly, which is why I'm like, I don't know,
maybe that is true, maybe all of the numbers are true,
but like I'm like looking on the CDC website for
this information, you know, and they they don't they don't
have that, they like deleted it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So and then but that does bring me to my
other point, which is something I've been thinking about lately,
regarding all of the tragedies and you know, specifically the
multiple genocides happen in the world. And there's this article
(10:05):
written by this guy, Matthew J. Newcomb called the vulgarity
of numbers, the Rwandan genocide and the classroom as a
site of response to suffering, And basically, I can't I
didn't pay for this whole article. But I though the
gist of it is that he's just talking about how
(10:25):
like we use these numbers to quantify suffering, you know, like, oh,
it's one point five million, I know, it's five hundred thousand,
it's you know, thirteen people are killed, and it's like
all of these lives are you know, are reduced to
a number. And it's like, oh, you know, one ten
(10:50):
deaths you know of children isn't enough, you know, it
needs to be in the hundreds of thousands before people
start to care. And then people still don't care. So
and I just I've been thinking about this a lot,
and I'm I don't there's not like a solution to it.
We need to know these numbers and we need to
talk about them because it is horrible and they are shocking,
(11:11):
especially like the number no matter what it is, of
like gun violence since John Lennon's death, I mean that
wasn't very long ago, and it's always they're they're increasing,
you know. It's like it's never we never make make
a choice to get rid of the guns. That's never
(11:32):
where it ends up. Whenever there's these tragedies.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's this video definitely was thought provoking, even though it's
like just a bunch of statistics, obviously they're powerful.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and this isn't just a one off song. This
new version of Sunday Bloody Sunday is going to be
on this super deluxe box set called Power to the People,
something like twelve discs and there's DVD, Blu ray, there's
a book in there, over two hundred pages, and that's
(12:10):
all the kind of stuff that gets you watched by
the FBI. If you're John Lennon, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm so, I'm like, I am. There's no way I'm
buying that, but I am.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's one of those things that it's like, well, is
this is this an anti capitalist protest or is this
a cash grab, you know, to make a little bit
more money off your dad before he uh, before everybody
who's a fan of him dies. Like I it's just funny.
It's one of the it's you know, it's ironic. It's
(12:46):
like one of those things where I'm like, unless one
of these tracks is like, you know, a step by
set plan for revolution, then I'm not really sure if
this is a Power to the People's situation or if
that's just the because yeah, power to the people.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Isn't that like a black thing?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think it is, or it's just a people thing,
you know, but I always think of it as like
a black power thing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Power to the people, all power.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I didn't like it when white people started saying peace out.
Well yeah, Bara Smith called their farewell tour peace out,
and I was like, guys, you did that one song.
That doesn't mean you can start saying peace out and
name your tour after it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I agree, Like, what is this a twelve disc
box set? Look like it's just for really extreme fans.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean the box set is for extreme fans,
but the just the one song is for everybody. I mean,
you're only gonna they know that only sikos are going
to buy the whole box set. But it's a good
way to remind people of what John and Yoko's message
was in the early seventies, how they were right then
(14:06):
and still remained to be on the correct side of
this in their you know, everything they did for a
nonviolent political activism totally. Ultimately, John Lennon sort of died
for this, even though his killing was completely senseless. We're
(14:26):
recording this at the beginning of October. He would have
been eighty five years old on October ninth, not.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Even that old.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I'm you know, I'm waiting for maybe I'm waiting
for the part where it says and then we donated,
We're donating the proceeds to the to Aid sent to
Gaza or whatever or else.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's just like nostalgia bait, which you're allowed to do.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But I don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of
Yoko Ono as a person. As an artist, her piece
was fundamental to to my art artistic journey. Familiar with
cut piece. Oh my gosh. See this is the sides,
so at the code.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
If they re released it in a box set, I
would know about it.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
See. That's the thing is they should they act because
cut piece is performance art and it can be recreated
in any kind of way, which is what Yoka was
all about. She was she had created that the performance
art or the artistic movement fluxus. Familiar with fluxus. So
basically it was it was a very you know, sixty
(15:38):
seventies vibe of we're making its performance art and it's
basically taking art out of the gallery. And they had
all these cards that basically they were performance art pieces
that you could do and it was like you do this,
like do this weird thing in this weird setting, and
so it was all about like the moment and and
something new.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So cut piece was Yoko put.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
All of these different objects on a table, like you know, scissors,
a string, a knife, a gun, blah blah blah, and
basically the performance piece was like people can do whatever
to her and see what happens, and people would like
(16:27):
cut something off her clothes and like, and it got
really bad to the point where they had to stop
it because they didn't expect it to go that far.
And then Marina Abramovich or Bramovic, I never know how
to say it, another famous performance artist more currently working
still did a similar piece where it was like anyone
(16:48):
could do whatever they wanted and it goes too far basically,
And so I just think that like that Yoko, and
you know, I don't expect her to be the same
person she is now, but that spirit of like of
creating really new things and being about like the moment.
(17:09):
Performance art is the art is the main art form
that you cannot sell, Like it's impossible to sell because
it's all about that moment and that place specifically.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Soh like, there's so.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Many cool things that she's done and I would not
include this in it, but I do like it.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Okay, Well, hopefully we'll all go and buy the Delexe
Fox set and you will finally be able to retire.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Hopefully, Hopefully that poor woman will get to chill out.
I'm sure she's she's just struggling right now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So that was our first listen. Tell us about yours
on Instagram at First Listen Podcast, and we'll be back
next week with another media episode.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Ha
Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I I'm Andrew, I'm Dominie, and today we're talking about
the released version of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's Sunday
Bloody Sunday from nineteen seventy two, from this Sometime in
New York City album, a song I did not know
about until it was re released.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I didn't know about it either, I think I did.
Was it a well known thing in that moment or
it was like it was just one of their more
autistic kind of endeavors.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think when John Lennon was doing anything in nineteen
seven two, everybody knew about it facts, and he and
Yoko Ono were kind of getting headlines no matter whether
they were doing anything or nothing. So this was a
bit of a trip for me because me as someone
(01:17):
in their thirties, seeing the song title Sunday Bloody Sunday,
I immediately think of you two and their song from
I think nineteen eighty three. It's the same title of
song referencing the same event, the Bloody Sunday event in
Northern Ireland where British soldiers shot and killed at least
(01:44):
thirteen unarmed protesters in Dairy is the town Dairy, Northern Ireland,
and John, a master lyricist, even in a protest song,
uses the term dairy air. It didn't help himself.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
If there wasn't proof, If there wasn't proof, I guess there.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I would think.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That that Yoko went back in time to nineteen seventy
two and made this happen so that they would have
the first because she could be a time traveler.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, why not if someone.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is and I so that they would have the more
timely and maybe in the end more popular song, because
John Lennon will always be the most popular, because how
did they They came out with it right away nineteen
seventy two, it happened. They already had a song for
it before the year was over.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Nin It's credited as the first song referencing this event.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Which even that is a stretch, because Irish people love
making up songs.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I bet they were coming up.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
With songs the day of, but definitely the most popular
because actually like the Sunday bloody Sunday thing, I would
be willing to bet that that was just like a
turn of phrase.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
How how people were saying it at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I feel like that was maybe a newspaper headline
or something, So it's got to be something that like
everybody saw.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, it wasn't like len came up with it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And then, as far as I know, the Lenin and
the U two songs are not related except that they're
about the same event. So I mean, You two is
almost certainly aware of this song. They are Beatles disciples.
From all I can tell, they would have known about
the John Lennon song, and I guess good for them,
(03:45):
it didn't dissuade them from titling their song what they
wanted to title it. My first question was, wait, was
the You two song a cover? Not a cover, not
even close one amongst you on the game?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Not a soul JH Boy Westly And when they never comment.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
He resisted, this song is such a roller coaster. I
do like it, but I mean it's it's extremely groovy
for a John Lennon song. This is not the type
of tempo that you expect from a John Lennon post
Beatles record.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It sounds like come together.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it's got the basics that come together beat something
that I always sort of credited to Paul McCartney and Ringo.
I felt like they took some like weepy kind of
John Lennon song. It was a moody John Lennon thing
and kind of gave it, gave it a little funk.
But here John with his solo band is bringing bringing
(04:59):
that sound to it. And then he's also got to
give Yoko something to do, so why not sing the refrain?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And they were in New York at the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think the concept for this album was to just
kind of rip stuff from headlines and he there's a
quote of him pushing back against critics of this song.
He's like, it's just a song. I wrote it really quick.
It's not meant to be picked apart like the Mona Lisa.
It's just a little folk song. It was just my
(05:31):
reaction to this event where the.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
People were just taking it way too seriously in the moment.
But now it seems like this re release is meant
to be taken quite Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This really this is where again. I mean, it's the
press release says the John Lennon the State. The John
Lennon the State is run by Yoko Ono, or more specifically,
John and Yoko's son Sean Ono Lennon. So like those
two are behind this, and they picked this song at
this time for a very specific reason to decry political violence,
(06:06):
because that's what the Bloody Sunday incident was about, soldiers
firing unarmed protesters. And obviously this is top of mind
for us right now in the United States, where both
Sean and Yoko have lived for most of their lives.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I do. I think more and more.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Like the artists of the world seem to be speaking
up about how we're all, like, all of the freedom
fighters and political victims of war are all a part
of the same story. And so I did like the
(06:51):
music video, the lyric video. It wasn't a lyric video
it was it was a music It was an animated
anim visual.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, like they leave nothing to interpretation in this new
video that they've created. John and A Lennon by the way,
also a filmmaker. Now, so the video kind of is
a slideshow of all these statistics and all these incidents
of gun violence. And I believe it's specific to from
(07:22):
from the murder of John Lennon through today or through
the point when the video is made of all these
incidents of gun violence so that's the statement that they're
trying to make.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, which YO, respect and I really appreciate the message.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I have, but I have two things on it.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
One is I just want ahead and google that number
that I saw one number that I was like, I
don't know if that looks right to me, and I
was finding an unclear result, which okay, so basically one
of the numbers in there, it says one point five
million Americans I have died of gun violence since John
(08:06):
Lennon's death, one of the numbers they say, And I
was like, really, and because I was just like, that just.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Sounds off, So I googled it and.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
One for one thing is there is a very little
data on that, which was a big thing that I
was questioning when I saw it, because basically since Trump
was first elected, he got they were like, no more
counting that, we don't count that anymore, so like we have,
And then before that they how much data were they keeping?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know, we don't. It's like all over the place.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So these numbers are they're all approximate, which brings me
to my next.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Sure are you sure they said americans or just people?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I thought it said americans, But now I'm not sure
even if it's people.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, they're also bringing in other they're bringing in
like the genocide in Darfur as you know, one of
these incidents. They're not focusing it on American gun violence.
They're talking about gun violence across the world.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, And it is like it is all of these
things are based on data that like changes or is
not really true in the first place, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Or is deleted by certain yes.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Interests exactly, which is why I'm like, I don't know,
maybe that is true, maybe all of the numbers are true,
but like I'm like looking on the CDC website for
this information, you know, and they they don't they don't
have that, they like deleted it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So and then but that does bring me to my
other point, which is something I've been thinking about lately,
regarding all of the tragedies and you know, specifically the
multiple genocides happen in the world. And there's this article
(10:05):
written by this guy, Matthew J. Newcomb called the vulgarity
of numbers, the Rwandan genocide and the classroom as a
site of response to suffering, And basically, I can't I
didn't pay for this whole article. But I though the
gist of it is that he's just talking about how
(10:25):
like we use these numbers to quantify suffering, you know, like, oh,
it's one point five million, I know, it's five hundred thousand,
it's you know, thirteen people are killed, and it's like
all of these lives are you know, are reduced to
a number. And it's like, oh, you know, one ten
(10:50):
deaths you know of children isn't enough, you know, it
needs to be in the hundreds of thousands before people
start to care. And then people still don't care. So
and I just I've been thinking about this a lot,
and I'm I don't there's not like a solution to it.
We need to know these numbers and we need to
talk about them because it is horrible and they are shocking,
(11:11):
especially like the number no matter what it is, of
like gun violence since John Lennon's death, I mean that
wasn't very long ago, and it's always they're they're increasing,
you know. It's like it's never we never make make
a choice to get rid of the guns. That's never
(11:32):
where it ends up. Whenever there's these tragedies.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's this video definitely was thought provoking, even though it's
like just a bunch of statistics, obviously they're powerful.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and this isn't just a one off song. This
new version of Sunday Bloody Sunday is going to be
on this super deluxe box set called Power to the People,
something like twelve discs and there's DVD, Blu ray, there's
a book in there, over two hundred pages, and that's
(12:10):
all the kind of stuff that gets you watched by
the FBI. If you're John Lennon, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm so, I'm like, I am. There's no way I'm
buying that, but I am.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's one of those things that it's like, well, is
this is this an anti capitalist protest or is this
a cash grab, you know, to make a little bit
more money off your dad before he uh, before everybody
who's a fan of him dies. Like I it's just funny.
It's one of the it's you know, it's ironic. It's
(12:46):
like one of those things where I'm like, unless one
of these tracks is like, you know, a step by
set plan for revolution, then I'm not really sure if
this is a Power to the People's situation or if
that's just the because yeah, power to the people.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Isn't that like a black thing?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think it is, or it's just a people thing,
you know, but I always think of it as like
a black power thing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Power to the people, all power.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I didn't like it when white people started saying peace out.
Well yeah, Bara Smith called their farewell tour peace out,
and I was like, guys, you did that one song.
That doesn't mean you can start saying peace out and
name your tour after it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I agree, Like, what is this a twelve disc
box set? Look like it's just for really extreme fans.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean the box set is for extreme fans,
but the just the one song is for everybody. I mean,
you're only gonna they know that only sikos are going
to buy the whole box set. But it's a good
way to remind people of what John and Yoko's message
was in the early seventies, how they were right then
(14:06):
and still remained to be on the correct side of
this in their you know, everything they did for a
nonviolent political activism totally. Ultimately, John Lennon sort of died
for this, even though his killing was completely senseless. We're
(14:26):
recording this at the beginning of October. He would have
been eighty five years old on October ninth, not.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Even that old.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I'm you know, I'm waiting for maybe I'm waiting
for the part where it says and then we donated,
We're donating the proceeds to the to Aid sent to
Gaza or whatever or else.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's just like nostalgia bait, which you're allowed to do.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But I don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of
Yoko Ono as a person. As an artist, her piece
was fundamental to to my art artistic journey. Familiar with
cut piece. Oh my gosh. See this is the sides,
so at the code.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
If they re released it in a box set, I
would know about it.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
See. That's the thing is they should they act because
cut piece is performance art and it can be recreated
in any kind of way, which is what Yoka was
all about. She was she had created that the performance
art or the artistic movement fluxus. Familiar with fluxus. So
basically it was it was a very you know, sixty
(15:38):
seventies vibe of we're making its performance art and it's
basically taking art out of the gallery. And they had
all these cards that basically they were performance art pieces
that you could do and it was like you do this,
like do this weird thing in this weird setting, and
so it was all about like the moment and and
something new.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So cut piece was Yoko put.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
All of these different objects on a table, like you know, scissors,
a string, a knife, a gun, blah blah blah, and
basically the performance piece was like people can do whatever
to her and see what happens, and people would like
(16:27):
cut something off her clothes and like, and it got
really bad to the point where they had to stop
it because they didn't expect it to go that far.
And then Marina Abramovich or Bramovic, I never know how
to say it, another famous performance artist more currently working
still did a similar piece where it was like anyone
(16:48):
could do whatever they wanted and it goes too far basically,
And so I just think that like that Yoko, and
you know, I don't expect her to be the same
person she is now, but that spirit of like of
creating really new things and being about like the moment.
(17:09):
Performance art is the art is the main art form
that you cannot sell, Like it's impossible to sell because
it's all about that moment and that place specifically.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Soh like, there's so.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Many cool things that she's done and I would not
include this in it, but I do like it.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Okay, Well, hopefully we'll all go and buy the Delexe
Fox set and you will finally be able to retire.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Hopefully, Hopefully that poor woman will get to chill out.
I'm sure she's she's just struggling right now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So that was our first listen. Tell us about yours
on Instagram at First Listen Podcast, and we'll be back
next week with another media episode.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Ha
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