July 10, 2025 • 18 mins
A band Andrew has traveled across the world to see just released its first new song in years.
From Perth, Australia, Karnivool is probably the greatest rock band in the world that nobody knows about! We discuss the new single, "Drone," the merits of having a tight catalog and why Karnivool is such a well-kept secret.
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From Perth, Australia, Karnivool is probably the greatest rock band in the world that nobody knows about! We discuss the new single, "Drone," the merits of having a tight catalog and why Karnivool is such a well-kept secret.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a first Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and today we're doing a mini
episode about my favorite band, Carnival from Australia. They finally
released a new song. It's called Drone. Carnival is one
(00:41):
of the biggest, if not the biggest musical influences on
my own music, with one hundred thousand and on all
of my bandmates. It's one of the few Carnival and
the Deftones are like the only bands that we all
agree on and all love of everything else is like
(01:02):
up for debate or like wildly different levels of appreciation.
Carnival is a band that we all love, and it
looked like they were going to break through massively in
the United States and then they never came back. So
the last US tour that Carnival did was in I
(01:24):
think twenty twelve, and they played the Bowery Ballroom on
the Lower East Side, which is like a nine hundred
cap venue, and I had done interviews with the band
ahead of that show to promote it. The Wall Street
Journal wrote about them and said, you have to go
to the show. Because you'll never have an opportunity to
(01:48):
see them in a venue the small ever again. And
they have not returned to the United States since that tour,
and they remain an active band and remain a touring
band that in order to see that, my wife and
I had to go to the UK to actually catch
them live, and we saw two shows, one in Glasgow,
one in London. That was I think two years ago.
(02:12):
Now that trip two and a half years ago, and
they're getting they're inching a little bit closer to having
a new album, which would be their first in a decade,
so I'm really excited for a new song. This is
the first new one in four years. At this point,
they're kind of just putting out stuff to remind people
that they exist. And the shows that we saw in
(02:36):
the UK were funny because even though they put out
an album subsequently, they were touring on the tenth anniversary
of the second album, which was when the last time
they came to the United States, the last time I
saw them live, so it was a bit nostalgia. That's
funny because I had seen basically that set list before
(02:57):
with a few alterations, so that that specific album it's
called Sound Awake, in my opinion, the greatest rock album
that was ever made.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Wow, I praise.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I almost chose it for the episode where we listened
to Diamond Dies, but I didn't really know your taste
yet and I didn't want you to not like it,
so I picked the Deaf Tones as a way to
sort of figure it, figure you out.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think deaf Tones was probably a safer bet. Yeah,
I feel like that's almost like foundational, Like I needed
to know about the deaf Tones.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In order to like kind of also understand your music taste.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whereas this, I feel like what you're saying is it's
more it's almost more representative of your It's more representative
of what you want.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To do artistically.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But it's, uh, it's not I don't know. Deaf Tones
is like a huge band that I feel like they.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Just did arena tour. Carnivool is a very big band
in the places that they tore. They haven't been to
the United States in a long time. I'm not really
sure why that is. They don't put out music very often.
Their last album, I think was twenty thirteen Asymmetry so interesting.
(04:15):
I think it's twenty thirteen. Yeah, it's cool. That they
are still well, still together. I was looking at I
was it's the same collective as the from the second
album on right.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The first group was like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So their first album, which is two thousand and five, Themata,
was just I think three of them. So here's the
title track from that record.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I'm hearing more Deaftones vibes in this song.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, this is honestly probably was an influence on
the Deaftones. They're sort of they occupy a weird space
in the I would say the metal community. They're not
really a metal band. They lean metal, but the vocals
are virtually all clean singing, beautifully sung by their singer
(05:18):
Ian Kenny. It's they're like a band that metal bands
mostly know about and mostly really appreciate, especially if they
like melodic vocals. But they're not a band that a
lot of people have seen because of the lack of
international touring. But on this first album, I believe the
group was the singer Ian Kenny, the guitar player Drew Goddard,
(05:44):
who I've interviewed a few times, and the bass player
John Stockman, who I think I also interviewed one time.
And the drums on this album are played by Drew,
so all the guitars and the drums were the one guy,
Drew Goddard, and then the bass was John and the
vocals were Ian. Whereas on the follow up album to that,
(06:08):
here's a song from that called Goliath is the full
band as they exist today.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The drumming is sick.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, Drew is obviously a monster drummer in himself, but
their drummer now, Steve, is incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I like being reminded that, you know, the US of
A isn't the center of the universe, Like Australia has
its bands too, and like ultimately this, yeah, this is
a little bit more existential, but like I think it's
it's cool, how you know. The first thing I saw
when I looked them up was how influenced by Nirvana
(06:56):
they were. It was like, you know, around the same
little f right and that, but they were like we're
over here and like where It's like they kind of
stayed over there. Like ultimately, you can't just like transport
people all over the globe, Like, no matter how much
(07:18):
it seems like you can, it's not, especially with a
band like it seems like probably part of why they
are still making music, and like still a band is
because they don't do crazy stuff like the United States
tours all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah yeah, And you know, Australia obviously comparable in size
to the US but not in population, so it might
be a lot of travel, but it's way fewer stops.
And I am almost certain that the shows that they
play in Australia are too like theater size audiences at
(07:58):
the very smallest, where in Europe it's like theaters and
then some clubs. And in the US they never took
the step out of clubs to bigger venues because they
never came back and you can lose a lot of
money here.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh my god, tell me about it now.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think they could do great on a festival tour,
like I think they would be fitting great at Warp
Tour honestly, But at the same time, it's like do
they need to like yeah, why you know, unless there's
people call them maybe you know this answer, I could
see them being big in Asia.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
They play India fairly frequently, I believe. I think that's
the one other place other than the Oceania and Europe
that they view visit. That's sick And if this is
your first time hearing of Carnival like it was for Dominique.
(08:57):
Another great thing about them, only three albums they have
Themata in two thousand and five, Sound Awake in two
thousand and nine, the greatest album of all time, Asymmetry
in twenty thirteen. The song they just released that we're
talking about is Drone. The previous one was twenty twenty one.
(09:19):
I think it was called All It Takes. And so
since that song, Asymmetry was the last time they released music,
so it was eight years.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So this is a big moment.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, and especially if they ever do come out with
this fourth album, it'll be a really big deal. And
I will try like hell to get Drew to come
on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That would be really cool.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I will say, you know, hopefully this doesn't affect that.
I think the.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Name the name is bad. The name is bad. No
one knows what you're saying when you say the name,
and certainly no one knows how to spell it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And then also can we try it in an Australian
accent Carnival. It's that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I feel like that's almost it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think it's almost more Kiwi vibes than Australian a
little bit more, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Pretty good. Can you say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Let's let's see count of Ool.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That was even better. See I think that's that's the
key perf perf.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No, Australian people are fun to listen to.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
They are.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's one of the better English accents. If like the
Northern European accent I think is very pleasing. Yeah, some
Irish accents very pleasing, and then Australian the rest of them,
including my own dad, I.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Mean I I I will always I will always ride
for my American accent. I think that our accents are
very fun and we get we're we're I think Americans are,
and like Australians are kind of in that bucket of
like it's an upbeat, it's an upbeat, fun type of
type of way of speaking. We're exaggerating, and we have
a bunch of silly words that we like to make up.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, we have a lot of silly words like carnivool,
count of Ool. I think the story with the band
name and the band in general is this is a
band that started when the core members were in high
school and it was like a joke band and they
just kind of kept doing it. And eventually they made
(11:32):
an album and then at that point you're stuck.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And this was way before Insane Clown Posse, and I
think that after they really Shockoe clown.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Uh win did?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I guess it was around the same time, But Insane
Clown Posse is much more famous than Carnivool, certainly, and
I think just uh, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The whole formed in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Okay, wow.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Wow, And but like the whole like clown scary clown stuff.
I don't know if these guys, if that's what he
had in mind with this name, but that's what it
brings to my mind.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Just too bad. And I guess why it's such a
bad name.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They would tell you that it's a bad name, but
they have no choice at this point. It's right, they're
twenty years into there.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can't at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So let's talk a little bit more about Drone. I
do hate that you brought up Insane Clown possing on
this episode, but what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
One of the things that I find really exciting about
this as a longtime fan of the band, is this
riff seems like kind of a new type of riff
for them. When it turns around, there's like almost a swing.
There's like the whisper, the suggestion of swing, almost like
(13:07):
how like a brass band would create that type of riff.
Ian's vocals are always put together so well, and his
melodies always just sort of float so beautifully above everything else.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like getting incumous vibes, also.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So beautiful. The vocals.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, he has one of the great voices, and it's
it's the kind of voice that is natural. There's no
vocal affect. He's not making up an accent like a
lot of singers do, which I think they do out
of like maybe an insecurity. It's just it's very truly
(14:02):
his voice. He's got like a beautiful tenor, which you
don't hear that much. He also has another band, which,
as big of a fan as I am of Carnivol,
I have never listened to Birds of Tokyo, which I
think is a much more active project than Carnival. I
think they do a lot more music, But everyone who
(14:22):
I think knows Birds of Tokyo got there from Carnival
and from a desperate need for more music from them.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
What do you think has made this song out come out?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Do you think this was triggered by anything?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So they have been on social media for years, sharing
the occasional photo from the studio where they are either recording, writing,
or mixing, so it's unclear. They say, like in a
statement that this is like a thank you to everyone
who's stuck with us for twenty years. I think that
(15:06):
means that the new album is not about to come out.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They're like, we have to give them somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's that we have to give them something. I get
the sense that there was an album and they scrapped
it or they just like decided to tear it down
and rebuild it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, it's like.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's encouraging to me because it's a great song and
it's really interesting. Unlike and another song we talked about
recently with Avril Levine, I'm like, when when an artist
comes out with music, like new music after such a
long time, I want it to be good and like
(15:51):
add on more value to what they already have.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And it seems like this like is doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, and I have the same feeling about Tool, which
is another band that takes years and years to make albums.
I've never been one of the people who complains about it.
Like it's a little bit different if we know that
they're working on something and they don't put it out,
like with Tool, you kind of never know. I appreciate
(16:21):
when a band isn't stuck in the cycle of doing
an album and touring. Like when we're doing an album,
it's because we want to do an album, because we
have ideas for an album. We're not just like obligated
now to do an album and we need to ask
people for ideas for it.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Everyone wants Rihanna's album, and I'm always defending her. I'm like,
if she had an album, she would come out with
an album. You don't want whatever crap she's doing the Trolls,
I mean, the Smurfs movie. She needs to focus on that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
She can't half ask the Smurfs movie exactly. But yeah,
it's like the great thing an artist that you love
is that they have all that stuff that you love
about here exactly. Do you want them to rush into
something just to tick a box and then it stinks?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And so I support I'd rather never come out with
another album, just like leave it at that and don't wait.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
If I see you. I'm not like, oh, they're playing
this song.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So hopefully I'll see Carnival again soon. If I have
to fly across the world again, I will do it.
I'd like to not have.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
To come over here. Guys, we're waiting for you here
in NYC.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So that's a very long mini episode from us. Catch
us on Instagram. Let me know definitely if you're checking
out Carnival, let them know if you learned about them
through this podcast that's at First Listen podcast on Instagram.
Dome's got a show this month, yea.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Last Saturday of the month, which she said is the
twenty something twenty something last Saturday of the month from
the twenties on Yes at at thirty at Upright Citizens Brigade,
You see Black.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's going to be super fun.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I've got a show with one hundred thousand July
eighteenth at Hidden Tracks and I hope to see you
there and if not, we'll be back next time for
another episode of the podcast. Thanks
Welcome to a first Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and today we're doing a mini
episode about my favorite band, Carnival from Australia. They finally
released a new song. It's called Drone. Carnival is one
(00:41):
of the biggest, if not the biggest musical influences on
my own music, with one hundred thousand and on all
of my bandmates. It's one of the few Carnival and
the Deftones are like the only bands that we all
agree on and all love of everything else is like
(01:02):
up for debate or like wildly different levels of appreciation.
Carnival is a band that we all love, and it
looked like they were going to break through massively in
the United States and then they never came back. So
the last US tour that Carnival did was in I
(01:24):
think twenty twelve, and they played the Bowery Ballroom on
the Lower East Side, which is like a nine hundred
cap venue, and I had done interviews with the band
ahead of that show to promote it. The Wall Street
Journal wrote about them and said, you have to go
to the show. Because you'll never have an opportunity to
(01:48):
see them in a venue the small ever again. And
they have not returned to the United States since that tour,
and they remain an active band and remain a touring
band that in order to see that, my wife and
I had to go to the UK to actually catch
them live, and we saw two shows, one in Glasgow,
one in London. That was I think two years ago.
(02:12):
Now that trip two and a half years ago, and
they're getting they're inching a little bit closer to having
a new album, which would be their first in a decade,
so I'm really excited for a new song. This is
the first new one in four years. At this point,
they're kind of just putting out stuff to remind people
that they exist. And the shows that we saw in
(02:36):
the UK were funny because even though they put out
an album subsequently, they were touring on the tenth anniversary
of the second album, which was when the last time
they came to the United States, the last time I
saw them live, so it was a bit nostalgia. That's
funny because I had seen basically that set list before
(02:57):
with a few alterations, so that that specific album it's
called Sound Awake, in my opinion, the greatest rock album
that was ever made.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Wow, I praise.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I almost chose it for the episode where we listened
to Diamond Dies, but I didn't really know your taste
yet and I didn't want you to not like it,
so I picked the Deaf Tones as a way to
sort of figure it, figure you out.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think deaf Tones was probably a safer bet. Yeah,
I feel like that's almost like foundational, Like I needed
to know about the deaf Tones.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In order to like kind of also understand your music taste.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whereas this, I feel like what you're saying is it's
more it's almost more representative of your It's more representative
of what you want.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To do artistically.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But it's, uh, it's not I don't know. Deaf Tones
is like a huge band that I feel like they.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Just did arena tour. Carnivool is a very big band
in the places that they tore. They haven't been to
the United States in a long time. I'm not really
sure why that is. They don't put out music very often.
Their last album, I think was twenty thirteen Asymmetry so interesting.
(04:15):
I think it's twenty thirteen. Yeah, it's cool. That they
are still well, still together. I was looking at I
was it's the same collective as the from the second
album on right.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The first group was like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So their first album, which is two thousand and five, Themata,
was just I think three of them. So here's the
title track from that record.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I'm hearing more Deaftones vibes in this song.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, this is honestly probably was an influence on
the Deaftones. They're sort of they occupy a weird space
in the I would say the metal community. They're not
really a metal band. They lean metal, but the vocals
are virtually all clean singing, beautifully sung by their singer
(05:18):
Ian Kenny. It's they're like a band that metal bands
mostly know about and mostly really appreciate, especially if they
like melodic vocals. But they're not a band that a
lot of people have seen because of the lack of
international touring. But on this first album, I believe the
group was the singer Ian Kenny, the guitar player Drew Goddard,
(05:44):
who I've interviewed a few times, and the bass player
John Stockman, who I think I also interviewed one time.
And the drums on this album are played by Drew,
so all the guitars and the drums were the one guy,
Drew Goddard, and then the bass was John and the
vocals were Ian. Whereas on the follow up album to that,
(06:08):
here's a song from that called Goliath is the full
band as they exist today.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The drumming is sick.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, Drew is obviously a monster drummer in himself, but
their drummer now, Steve, is incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I like being reminded that, you know, the US of
A isn't the center of the universe, Like Australia has
its bands too, and like ultimately this, yeah, this is
a little bit more existential, but like I think it's
it's cool, how you know. The first thing I saw
when I looked them up was how influenced by Nirvana
(06:56):
they were. It was like, you know, around the same
little f right and that, but they were like we're
over here and like where It's like they kind of
stayed over there. Like ultimately, you can't just like transport
people all over the globe, Like, no matter how much
(07:18):
it seems like you can, it's not, especially with a
band like it seems like probably part of why they
are still making music, and like still a band is
because they don't do crazy stuff like the United States
tours all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah yeah, And you know, Australia obviously comparable in size
to the US but not in population, so it might
be a lot of travel, but it's way fewer stops.
And I am almost certain that the shows that they
play in Australia are too like theater size audiences at
(07:58):
the very smallest, where in Europe it's like theaters and
then some clubs. And in the US they never took
the step out of clubs to bigger venues because they
never came back and you can lose a lot of
money here.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh my god, tell me about it now.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think they could do great on a festival tour,
like I think they would be fitting great at Warp
Tour honestly, But at the same time, it's like do
they need to like yeah, why you know, unless there's
people call them maybe you know this answer, I could
see them being big in Asia.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
They play India fairly frequently, I believe. I think that's
the one other place other than the Oceania and Europe
that they view visit. That's sick And if this is
your first time hearing of Carnival like it was for Dominique.
(08:57):
Another great thing about them, only three albums they have
Themata in two thousand and five, Sound Awake in two
thousand and nine, the greatest album of all time, Asymmetry
in twenty thirteen. The song they just released that we're
talking about is Drone. The previous one was twenty twenty one.
(09:19):
I think it was called All It Takes. And so
since that song, Asymmetry was the last time they released music,
so it was eight years.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So this is a big moment.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, and especially if they ever do come out with
this fourth album, it'll be a really big deal. And
I will try like hell to get Drew to come
on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That would be really cool.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I will say, you know, hopefully this doesn't affect that.
I think the.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Name the name is bad. The name is bad. No
one knows what you're saying when you say the name,
and certainly no one knows how to spell it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And then also can we try it in an Australian
accent Carnival. It's that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I feel like that's almost it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think it's almost more Kiwi vibes than Australian a
little bit more, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Pretty good. Can you say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Let's let's see count of Ool.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That was even better. See I think that's that's the
key perf perf.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No, Australian people are fun to listen to.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
They are.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's one of the better English accents. If like the
Northern European accent I think is very pleasing. Yeah, some
Irish accents very pleasing, and then Australian the rest of them,
including my own dad, I.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Mean I I I will always I will always ride
for my American accent. I think that our accents are
very fun and we get we're we're I think Americans are,
and like Australians are kind of in that bucket of
like it's an upbeat, it's an upbeat, fun type of
type of way of speaking. We're exaggerating, and we have
a bunch of silly words that we like to make up.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, we have a lot of silly words like carnivool,
count of Ool. I think the story with the band
name and the band in general is this is a
band that started when the core members were in high
school and it was like a joke band and they
just kind of kept doing it. And eventually they made
(11:32):
an album and then at that point you're stuck.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And this was way before Insane Clown Posse, and I
think that after they really Shockoe clown.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Uh win did?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I guess it was around the same time, But Insane
Clown Posse is much more famous than Carnivool, certainly, and
I think just uh, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The whole formed in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Okay, wow.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Wow, And but like the whole like clown scary clown stuff.
I don't know if these guys, if that's what he
had in mind with this name, but that's what it
brings to my mind.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Just too bad. And I guess why it's such a
bad name.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They would tell you that it's a bad name, but
they have no choice at this point. It's right, they're
twenty years into there.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can't at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So let's talk a little bit more about Drone. I
do hate that you brought up Insane Clown possing on
this episode, but what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
One of the things that I find really exciting about
this as a longtime fan of the band, is this
riff seems like kind of a new type of riff
for them. When it turns around, there's like almost a swing.
There's like the whisper, the suggestion of swing, almost like
(13:07):
how like a brass band would create that type of riff.
Ian's vocals are always put together so well, and his
melodies always just sort of float so beautifully above everything else.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like getting incumous vibes, also.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So beautiful. The vocals.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, he has one of the great voices, and it's
it's the kind of voice that is natural. There's no
vocal affect. He's not making up an accent like a
lot of singers do, which I think they do out
of like maybe an insecurity. It's just it's very truly
(14:02):
his voice. He's got like a beautiful tenor, which you
don't hear that much. He also has another band, which,
as big of a fan as I am of Carnivol,
I have never listened to Birds of Tokyo, which I
think is a much more active project than Carnival. I
think they do a lot more music, But everyone who
(14:22):
I think knows Birds of Tokyo got there from Carnival
and from a desperate need for more music from them.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
What do you think has made this song out come out?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Do you think this was triggered by anything?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So they have been on social media for years, sharing
the occasional photo from the studio where they are either recording, writing,
or mixing, so it's unclear. They say, like in a
statement that this is like a thank you to everyone
who's stuck with us for twenty years. I think that
(15:06):
means that the new album is not about to come out.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They're like, we have to give them somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's that we have to give them something. I get
the sense that there was an album and they scrapped
it or they just like decided to tear it down
and rebuild it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, it's like.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's encouraging to me because it's a great song and
it's really interesting. Unlike and another song we talked about
recently with Avril Levine, I'm like, when when an artist
comes out with music, like new music after such a
long time, I want it to be good and like
(15:51):
add on more value to what they already have.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And it seems like this like is doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, and I have the same feeling about Tool, which
is another band that takes years and years to make albums.
I've never been one of the people who complains about it.
Like it's a little bit different if we know that
they're working on something and they don't put it out,
like with Tool, you kind of never know. I appreciate
(16:21):
when a band isn't stuck in the cycle of doing
an album and touring. Like when we're doing an album,
it's because we want to do an album, because we
have ideas for an album. We're not just like obligated
now to do an album and we need to ask
people for ideas for it.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Everyone wants Rihanna's album, and I'm always defending her. I'm like,
if she had an album, she would come out with
an album. You don't want whatever crap she's doing the Trolls,
I mean, the Smurfs movie. She needs to focus on that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
She can't half ask the Smurfs movie exactly. But yeah,
it's like the great thing an artist that you love
is that they have all that stuff that you love
about here exactly. Do you want them to rush into
something just to tick a box and then it stinks?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And so I support I'd rather never come out with
another album, just like leave it at that and don't wait.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
If I see you. I'm not like, oh, they're playing
this song.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So hopefully I'll see Carnival again soon. If I have
to fly across the world again, I will do it.
I'd like to not have.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
To come over here. Guys, we're waiting for you here
in NYC.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So that's a very long mini episode from us. Catch
us on Instagram. Let me know definitely if you're checking
out Carnival, let them know if you learned about them
through this podcast that's at First Listen podcast on Instagram.
Dome's got a show this month, yea.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Last Saturday of the month, which she said is the
twenty something twenty something last Saturday of the month from
the twenties on Yes at at thirty at Upright Citizens Brigade,
You see Black.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's going to be super fun.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I've got a show with one hundred thousand July
eighteenth at Hidden Tracks and I hope to see you
there and if not, we'll be back next time for
another episode of the podcast. Thanks
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