August 22, 2024 • 60 mins
Andrew has never heard a Nicki Minaj album, and Diamond is pretty sure he will hate it ... nonetheless, Nicki's debut album Pink Friday (2010) is the topic of today's podcast!
There was a time when Diamond considered herself a Barb (a Nicki Minaj fan), and while her support of Nicki has waned in recent years, she wonders if Pink Friday will hold up. We also learn that Diamond's longtime go-to karoke song is on this album.
Will Andrew find anything redeeming on Pink Friday? Could it backfire on Diamond and she kinda hates it too? Subscribe so you don't miss an episode of At First Listen.
Connect with the podcast on Instagram @AtFirstListenpodcast.
(Episode 14.)
There was a time when Diamond considered herself a Barb (a Nicki Minaj fan), and while her support of Nicki has waned in recent years, she wonders if Pink Friday will hold up. We also learn that Diamond's longtime go-to karoke song is on this album.
Will Andrew find anything redeeming on Pink Friday? Could it backfire on Diamond and she kinda hates it too? Subscribe so you don't miss an episode of At First Listen.
Connect with the podcast on Instagram @AtFirstListenpodcast.
(Episode 14.)
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to a new episode about First Listen. There's
no intro today, We're just getting right into it because
we we're not used to having guests yet. So we
(00:24):
did like the intro of this episode in the outro
of the last episode. So we're just doing our best
over here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're trying. We're trying, okay, And I hope you guys
are excited about this journey because it's taking a while
for us to get it together.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Maybe people don't like the intro and we're about to
find that out.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, let us know, honestly, reach out to us on Instagram,
on our instagrams or at First Listen Podcast Instagram because
we need to know what you guys are thinking. And
I don't know, maybe send your recommendations before this episode
because Andrew might not be happy about it. You may
never want to hear it again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So yeah, this is a special day because I after today,
I don't need to hear this album anymore. Today's episode
was I'm going to use the toxic language that we've
fallen into. Diamond forced me to listen to Nicki Minaja's
Pink Friday from twenty ten two ten.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What a time? What were you doing. What were you
doing Thanksgiving week of twenty ten?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh? Thanksgiving? Okay, let me think this was probably a
bad time if I'm thinking about I was in a
bad relationship at this time. Oh god, and it was
I think it ended right before Christmas, which was good. Yeah,
(01:49):
that was when things started to turn back around for Andrew.
But yeah, Thanksgiving must have been probably about the dark time.
What Yeah, okay, well I didn't think of that until
you asked the question.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I mean maybe if you heard this album around
that time, it would have been way darker for you,
but it was a time for me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And again, so yeah, what was Diamond doing?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I was waiting for this album, and I'm almost positive
that on Thanksgiving night. I get confused because in my
head it didn't come out. It came out the week
before Thanksgiving. But that's in my head. The facts are
the facts.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And I've also seen different years connected to this album. Really,
I've seen that it came out in two thousand and
nine in some places, and in others that it came
out in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
No, it definitely came out in twenty ten, because.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Maybe there is a single that she released the previous
year or something.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Maybe your love maybe, but I feel like everything with her,
it seems like like things were rolling. I was a
fan of her since like two thousand and seven, so
like things were rolling for her. And then when when
she hit like Sheep were very mainstream, very fast, it
seemed like very fast. And then everything happened so fast.
She did the Monster feature on Kanye's album that I
(03:17):
think came out in like September of that year, if
I'm not mistaken, and I think that that's what pushed
them to drop this album as fast as they did.
I think that either Kanye's album or the Monster single
dropped around maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And then the follow up to this album is called
Roman's Revenge, and then there's also a song on this
album called Revenge. So you you said you were confused
about the Black album and the Metallica self titled and
you were searching the wrong name, So that confused me
a little bit. That makes sense, just trying to find
(03:58):
this album and also try to find the not like
remastered bonus track like forty track version, which I knew
I wasn't going to be able to get through. So
then there's an album that's, like, I guess a sequel
to this track.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, that album is it was a time as well. Okay,
I have to now that I listened back to this,
I have to go back and listen to a lot
of the other albums that I thought were so amazing
back then, because.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, let's start here like now, whenever, whenever you suggest
a record. After my experience on the White Stripes episode
where track by track two, I was like, this was
a huge mistake, and just the anxiety that comes with like, oh,
what is she going to think of this song? Is
(04:52):
she gonna hate this one?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And then also just the fact that I myself was
not really enjoying that album after it being a record
that was like really big for me. So when you
first revisited this record, how did it land for you?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So I thought that I was gonna go into it
basically the way that you've been thinking about things like, Okay, well,
what is Andrew gonna think about this song? What is Andrew?
Is he gonna like this? Oh? I know he's not
gonna like that. When I started listening to the album,
I was like, okay, Like I didn't even think about
you anymore. I was wondering, how did I like this song?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm like, hey, wow, what.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Was I thinking? And how was this acceptable? Like certain
things like that. But there was some nostalgia to it,
which I I appreciate, but also it just like we
could start right here. The singing, Oh please.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Girl, she can't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, And it bothers me because, like you're Nicki Minaj,
you can get whoever you want on your albums, right,
especially at this time.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
There are so many features on this album already.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Exactly you have you have Natasha Benningfield if I pronounce
her name right, And you mean to tell me that
you think that you should be singing the hooks on
these songs? Are you crazy? Like? And a few albums
later she does stuff with Ariana Grande and she does
the same thing, like I don't think anyone has told
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her you are not a singer. Okay. You know how
to write music, you know how to rap. I'm happy
for you. You know how to switch the flowes, how
to find a pocket when it comes to the beat.
But girl, you can't sing. It's bothering me. It really,
Oh my god, it gets under my skin after listening
to this, I can't, Andrew, I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I thought the singing that surprised me, and I think it.
I know, I would love to know how Nikki herself
feels about her own voice, Like is she doing these
features because oh I want somebody else to sing it,
(06:59):
or because I don't want to sing it, or it
won't sound great with me singing because I'm a little
bit more positive on her voice her singing voice. For one,
I didn't know that it was her singing until I
actually like looked into it. I think her voice is fine.
(07:20):
I think it's really interesting that she's, to me, someone
who can sing but chooses not to.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, I guess for me, she can't sing and
she chooses to.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So the songs that are just her vocals her singing,
those are just out for you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh well, Like Dear Old Nikki used to be like
one of my favorite songs. I don't know why. I
just liked it, like you know, the contrast between the
old version of herself and the new one. But when
she goes needed you, I can't take it. I don't
know how that got like mixed and mastered and they
still were like great, amazing, like, but I remember having
(07:59):
like that cringe moment when I like would listen to
it years ago too, but it's just like, oh, I
love her, She's amazing. I'm a barb yeah, young Diamond whatever.
But like now I'm like, girl, you could have had
anybody else saying that. Anybody what's going on here? I
don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So I was initially impressed because I didn't think she
sang it all, and I wonder like if maybe that's
how she sort of started, like in the very very
early days, if she was like singing on people's tapes
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, No, she was like a she started off well,
she was an actress, so she went to school for acting. So, like,
I get it. And that's what makes me appreciate Roman's
Revenge on this album because it's very theatrical. She's doing
voices and whatever. Okay, Andrew Rolds's eyes, we'll get to that.
But she joined this rap group in the early two thousands.
(08:56):
I think it was called Star Something, Star Time, Star
Boys something, and she was the only woman and so
she used to rap with them. I don't think that
she's ever come out to say that she's been like that.
She did demos or stuff like that for other people,
(09:16):
or sang on like other people's music.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Because I'm sure all the rappers in her neighborhood were
looking for someone to sing the hook.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Maybe she was too busy trying to be a gangster,
which we'll get to that at another time, because she's
still trying. And I'm like, Onica, please, okay, please, girl,
but okay, I need to know what your favorites were. No,
do you want to just go in order?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Do you want to let me just say? Like I
thought that I would, really I thought this would be
a fun listen, more fun than it actually was, because
I think I had a generally positive view of Nicki
Minaj in the pop space as like a disruptor sort
(10:03):
of a figure, which is maybe what drew you, drew
you to her back in the day, maybe because I
think as far as I know it, like I know
in Beyonce's early solo artist days, there was really a
thing where female R and B artists who tried to rap.
(10:29):
It was kind of a thing like, oh, like girls
can't rap or something like that. That was like a
bit of that was in the discourse around it. Even
though like Missy Elliott had been around forever already, right.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We just all forgot not forgot about her, but we
just did include her in those conversations.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I guess it was a thing. Honestly, I don't know
how much of a thing it was. So for someone
like Nicki Minaj to come out and be like, I
am a rapper first and foremost, and I'm also a
pop star, it was like an interesting take on it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think all of that happened by accident or on accident.
She she continues to this day to like drive home
the fact that she's a rapper first, and so I
think that like her music going pop, I think it
was more of like, I want to be playful and
I want to like experiment with different things, so like
(11:21):
starships and stuff like that. Like she was just having
fun and it just so happened to be poppy. But
it's weird because she says now that she hates these
pop songs that she made for this album, yeah, or
her her entire career. Okay, she's like some of her
(11:42):
biggest songs, which were the poppy ones, she hates them.
And I'm like, well, how could you hate starf I
almost said Starfish? How could you hate starships? I don't
get it, but she like, I think that it's because
she's she feels as though she's continued, like had to
prove that she's a rapper first and foremost. That like
(12:03):
makes her hate the pop music, which girl, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I love it when she raps, but I like when
someone makes a pop like a rapper makes a pop song.
I think that it's like, come on, give me something,
give me, give me something.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Diamond needs it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
People like me need it, who love pop music. We
need that. I can't. I don't know, Andrew, You're gonna
have me rambling, and I think maybe we should take
a break before we get into the actual truck.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, let's do that. We'll be right back on a
first listen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
After this, and we're back. I think I got myself together. Okay,
it's at first listen, Yeah, I was. I was very
very hot. I mean something about then kimonosh Kids under
(12:54):
my skin now in a way that it never did Anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm Diamond and I'm Andrew. In this episode, we listen
to at first, what we listened to Nicki Minaj just
Pink Friday. So one of the things that I always
thought was really cool about Nicki Minaj speaking to our
last episode with April about being punk as fuck was
(13:19):
a term that she used when she showed up at
the Grammy Awards in twenty twelve, and this was her thing.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, that was very weird.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I still don't know why she did this, for she
comes out and all read as like a cardinal and
there's this old white guy I dressed as the Pope.
I don't think she ever explained it as far as
I can tell, but this was very metal of her
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think that that was around the time when Gaga
was like shitting on these hosts, but like this like creative,
these creative outfits, and I think Nicki felt like she
had something to prove, which I think she went the
wrong in the wrong direction with that, but it is
what it is. She also Performedman's Revenge at that Grammys,
(14:04):
and so I think she tried to tie it all together.
But I think what she forgot was that like her
fans knew Romance Revenge, right, so when I saw her,
I automatically thought like she's doing something weird, like like
you know, like okay, And then when she performed Roman's Revenge,
I got it like it made sense because she did
like a church scene and all that stuff. Okay, but
(14:26):
to the average person who only knows at that point,
maybe I think Moment for Life was her single at
that point. I don't people knew Starships, but I don't
think it had taken off yet, Like people don't know that.
They're not listening to Romans Revenge. We're all not all
like Broadway lovers over here, so we're not paying attention
that people. It didn't connect. It didn't connect. And then
(14:47):
don't get me started on the performance itself.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It was she does she do the singing live? Like,
if you go to see her on her her next tour,
do you expect her to sing?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think she expects to sing it, okay, but to
me it sounds like screeching. I mean, like it really really.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Maybe that's the thing. Maybe because you've seen her do
it live and it's not good live, that's why you
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe listen. I can't take anything away from her. I
don't like her singing, but I've been singing along to
it for years. But what I will say is that
she is not the best performer. So maybe that's what
gets me with her. That kind of started the like
I had to back up from her. She's a true
(15:35):
rapper when it comes to her performance, if that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
She actually like gives a shit about how she sounds.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean no, no, no, okay, I mean like.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So oh she's the true rapper.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, she has the backtrack and like whatever I think
this last tour people have said it was better, so
I didn't go see it. She's she confuses me.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Go ahead, so let's go track by track. So you
and I driving back from jet scamp, we listen to
the first three tracks, plus I think we listened to
Blazon as well in the car, but I'll start with
number one. I'm the Best. I was shocked at how
(16:19):
pop the track is for this really, because this the track.
The only thing that is not pop about this track
musically is that there's no bridge. Okay, the rest it
sounds completely like a pop song. And then of course
(16:40):
she's rapping over you. There's a lot of like autobiographical
lyrics on this record, and with this one, I was like, Okay,
I think I get it after like thirty seconds or
so maybe the first verse, and I kind of get
the picture like you struggled and now things are good,
so that when those ideas come back later on the record.
(17:03):
I'm like, we talked.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
About this already, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We talked about this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I don't. I'm the Best is like one of
those songs for me that's like if I hear it,
I don't know the words to it, but not really
kind of like I forced myself to know this album
so much when I was younger that now I'm like,
why did I Like, like, I get it if you're getting.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
In the title. Also, yeah, it's like I read the title,
I hear your first verse, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Got it, Like you know, I could have done with
a little interlude. I didn't need a full song.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I will say overall, I think the mix is not exciting.
The mix on this it's very like flat and undynamic.
There's not really anything interesting happening compared to Beyonce Renaissance.
I can I can understand you hold Renaissance in such
(18:02):
high regard coming from this album, because while all the
lyrics are about how like big budget this record is,
it doesn't sound big budget from a production standpoint, except
when you read the names on the track, like you know,
like Drake is not coming cheap or he's getting a piece.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, he may have been cheap for this album because
they were both like, I don't think his album had
come out, you know, his first, his big album. I
think he released a mixtape that did really really well
and people counted it as an album. I don't think
he does.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But it was also Lehanna and Natasha bedding Field might
have done it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
For which kind of like I'm like, where the hell,
Like what do you think about them? Like, where the
hell did this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think that's gotta be just nicky as a fan,
because I don't think Natasha bedding Field. I think this
was a few years after Pockets that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, it was definitely years after Unwritten, right, Like that
was like what four?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, I just I just remember seeing that video
on VH one, which I'm sure I was not watching
in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. How'd you feel about Roman's Revenge?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So we talked a little bit about this. I just
can't stand Eminem and I know some I know someone
left the comment on our Instagram saying we should do
the eight mile soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh that seems like it was wall Maybe Okay, you
don't like Eminem, so maybe not, but like that got
me excited.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'll say I'm a little bit curious because people say
that movie is really good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You've never seen Andrew.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm a little bit curious. But also I can't stand eminem.
I just don't like it. When he came I was
in like fifth grade or something when he came out,
and I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was like, no, oh my god, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And this, I think is all of the things that
I don't like about him. He's still using the F word.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But people were using it back then,
not saying that it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It was past being okay. Whenever he recorded this that song,
it was no longer okay for him to do. I
literally think he uses it so much because he's not
allowed to say the N word.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
That might be true. That might be true, Andrew, I
didn't think about that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He says a lot of things, not only on this song,
but like even his latest music, the latest single that
he dropped or album yeah they dropped. He says a
lot of things that I don't think a lot of
people could or would get away with. But we'll leave
it at that. Roman's Revenge was one of my favorite
songs because I like theatrical music and I like the
(20:53):
fact that she had these different characters in her music
and like you kind of could keep up, but not really. So,
like I don't know, if you know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Roman is the ultra ego Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, And so she likes to say that when she's
on track saying things that people wouldn't normally say or
expect her to say or be able to get away with,
it's Roman, it's not her. So when she's talking shit
about somebody, which she was doing all throughout the song,
I don't think if I don't know if you know,
(21:26):
But like this song was basically sounds, so she was
mostly talking about Little Kim throughout the entire Well, she says,
I hang it out flat screen, like you're done, And
so she says that this is Roman talking and not her,
And I think that that's probably why she got Eminem
on it, because not only is he theatrical and he
paints these like crazy pictures in your head in his
(21:49):
head with his music, but he's such a shit talker,
you know, So like I get it. I understand why
she did it. And she said that she's always been
a huge fan, which makes sense because of the theatrics.
But I always really like this I loved do when
she says forced trauma blunt, Oh okay and uh and
(22:11):
I kicked that whole punt. I don't know why. I
always thought that was like really cool, and the sea
word before that she did, hold on.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm pretty sure she rhymes. She says the sea word
and then she rhymes punt or blunt and then punt.
Pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But okay, I'll give you that, but I don't want
to say it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's a clever line. The uh. As much as I
don't like Eminem's part in this, and he basically just
takes over the song after he comes in, and it's
like the last two minutes or just Eminem talking shit.
She comes back at the end with like one of
the worst British accents I've ever.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh my god, stopped, Oh it, Range City stop. One
thing you're not going to do is come at that
British accent because she does it all the time. She
still doesn't to this day. I've always thought it was
pretty good, but that's coming from someone who can I
can't do it to save my life. And this is
I mean, I watched so much Love Island UK, you
would think that I would have something down Now all
(23:11):
I know is I've gone text.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's it. That's really good.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What did you how did you feel about? Did it
on them?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Pretty shocking?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
A lot of peepee poo poo talk on the on
the Oh my god, I think this is probably the
best song on the album, though. I I appreciate the
don Imus diss.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
With the shitty set about the Rutgers basketball team. What
an asshole? No Radio Hall of Fame or Donna Iron
come on and you wonder why the industry is dying?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
This is the thing with her. Do you know that
she said that a lot of the things that she
talks about in her music, it was she did. She
did something once where she made a football reference and
it was actually it was like a punter. I can't
remember what song it was, but people and I was
(24:13):
very excited because I really like football, so I knew
who the player was. And people were on Twitter at
the time like, oh my god, you love football, you
watch whatever, And She's like, no, I just googled. I
googled punters and like whatever name rhymed, and so a
lot of this she's like, I do it all the time.
There are a lot of things that she references in
(24:34):
her music, or at least at this point she was.
She had no clue what she was talking about, but
she just googled and was like, oh, that makes sense
and it kind of rhymes. Okay, cool, let's go with
let's go down that road. So let's not I don't know,
I don't know if I want to give her that
much credit to be completely honest.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, no, because there's also there's like I don't know
if it's a sample or if she actually had somebody
like perform that. That whole like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
The yelling in the background, Oh my god, that's her
ex boyfriend Safari, who's on all of these reality shows.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now he's because she says it, and then there's that
whole thing with him saying it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, so he We don't have time to really get
into this, but for a really long time he was
her assistant, hype man whatever, and no one, a lot
of people didn't know that they were dating, but they
have been together for a very long time. And he
actually is credited as an A and R on this
(25:39):
album because he was not writing any of the music,
but was in the studio for a lot of it.
So we'll just leave it there. Because she takes her
writing very seriously. Wow, and did it on him. Used
to be one of my karaoke songs until because I
was like, I can't sing, so I might as well
(26:01):
rap a song that I know all the lyrics to.
Until one day I did it at a place and
there were older people there, like grandparents, and I was like,
I can't sing the words to this. Yeah. So, but
things move so quickly that you just can't. Sometimes I'm like, no,
how'd you feel about right through me?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So this song sounded familiar, and it's because the sample
in it is a Joe Satriani song called always with Me,
Always with You.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Joe Satriani is most famous for being one of the
first guitar players to make instrumental rock albums.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So that's cool. There's a lot of instrumental music out there,
most of it is jazz until like the early eighties
when Joe Satrianni and then some other people came after.
Who are these amazing guitar players just did all this
composing and they put out music actually that had no vocals.
That's uh, where the the lead part is played on guitar.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So yeah, that's a Joe Satriani song. It's not my
favorite song of his. It's a bit it's a bit
loop loopy, loup like where it's a pretty sort of
figure but it doesn't really go anywhere. This is the
first taste of Nikki singing, so uh, I thought it
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was fine. Not my favorite, but it is. It is
cool that they found Joe Joe Satriani song for this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm trying to find out who was her For some reason,
this is all I can think about when I listened
to the album, and why I didn't google it before
is beyond me. But she had someone in the video
with her.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
She has done this where she just gets these like
super famous like rappers and stuff like that to be
in her videos as her like love interests. Okay, no, wrong,
wrong song clearly because they showed the guy and I
do not know this man anyway. Right through Me was
a song that I thought was really cute at one time,
(28:25):
but then you realize that it's about this guy Safari
that she had been dating on and off, and like
you know, and it's like I just don't get it whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think this guy's kind of a loser is what
you're saying safari.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, sure, okay, I mean, I mean the things that
he's done since their relationship ended have proven that he
pretty much is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So Joe Satriani not a loser. It just it just
occurred to me. He has actually some connections here. Really,
while at the time of the he's been based in
San Francisco for a very long time, however, generally from
Long Island. Oh wow, okay, Joe Satriani's uh, he's in
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Sammy Hagar's band right now. He's in another band with
Sammy Hagar called Chicken Foot that's been sort of defunct.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
He gave Steve I guitar lessons, like literally one of
Steve's first guitar teachers, and also, after he moved to
San Francisco, taught Kirk Hammett guitar. Kirk Hammett is the
lead guitar player from Metallica.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh okay, I almost pretended to air guitar just now,
but I couldn't think of it never.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
This is just bad for me, But that is actually
interesting that both Joe and Nicki are from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Nikki's from Queensis from Queen's Yeah, oh, I thought she
was from such queens and it's crazy. I'm trying to
think if that's a song that's actually on this album,
don't get me started, I will bust.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Out into that sounds sort of familiar, so probably.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's a moment for life.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was relieved to hear Rihanna's voice I will fly.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Oh, thank god, because if Nicki tried to sing this one,
I don't know what I would have done. Listen, and
this was red hair Rianna, so that was that was
what I think that that album was loud that came
out a few months after this. To me, especially around
this time, Rihanna could do no wrong, like she just
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adding her to this song. I don't know what this
song would have been like without her. I think it
would have been a throwaway record to me because I
don't even remember. After listening to this most recently three times,
I don't remember what Nicki is saying. I was like,
I wish today it could rain all day. Maybe not
rain nor way, I don't know, like it just it
(30:49):
doesn't stick. But yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I agree. I also ranked the song oh because I
needed I needed to play like a little game with
myself to just listen to just incentifize me listening to
and getting familiar with this record. So maybe after we
get through the last song, oh, give me my rankings
and we'll talk about it for.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You gree please okay save me.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This was when it finally set in that it is
Nikki singing okay, because I was looking at the credits
and I'm like, there's no no one else credited with
vocals okay.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think that this played into her fan base at
the time, being like emotional, fake, depressed teenagers like it
just you know, like, my test is hard, my friend's
being annoying, my quote unquote boyfriend is ignoring me.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Save me.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh my god, Like you know, I was like please
listening to it now, I'm like, please, like get out
of here. When people are like your music saved my life,
I'm like, you were literally sixteen and you were you
just grew up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You just grew up. Yes, and then it was fine.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Thank you. It just so happened that this song was
playing at a certain time, like you remember it played.
It works moment for life. I love when Nikki and
Drake make music together, whether she's featured on his record
or he's featured on hers. I love it like, I
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don't think. I think it's a recipe for a hit,
to be completely honest, and so this, I mean, this
was played at every Sweet sixteen from twenty and ten on,
and so, like I said, I think that she may
have done this with the entire album she played into
like what she thought. I guess high school girls wanted
(32:40):
to hear because this song. I mean, I'm pretty sure
that at all of my friends sweet sixteens from twenty
ten on, everyone was walking out to Moment for Life.
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I definitely get that. I think Drake's versus pretty lame.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm trying to think of how did it start?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And this is also in a post Kendrick Drake feud world.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh yeah, no, we got it, And I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Think for me Drake will ever recover.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, not that I was like a fan at all before,
but can we do it?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No? I think there's one, as.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Long as it's an actual album and not just hey,
here's the my forty two most recent song.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, this was when he was actually trying.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I will say that the the EP or mixtape whatever
it was with Future.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Whoa really jump man? Is a good whoa.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh my god, Okay, we got to talk about this
at another time. I'm shocked, but I think at this time, uh,
Drake was on fire, both of them. They were on fire,
and they were signed to the same label, and they
were really really close. I don't know. He it was weird.
She He would always try to flirt with her and
(33:58):
say he had a crush on her, but you would say, no,
he's like a brother to me, which was very cringe.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Drake being cringe.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yes, Oh, he's done a lot of things recently that
to me are super cringe. And it just opened my
eyes to.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
A lot of so one of the one of the
early examples of Drake not really taking the hint.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, and then I'm wondering if like, I don't know,
I don't, I don't know. It was like they were
playing something up that wasn't really I don't know, I
don't know, but yes, this is I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I work with and Usher.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It did, but he didn't try too hard. And this
was before social media and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And Usher is way more charming. Yes, you know, just
infinitely come on.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This song I think is one of my favorites on
the album, just because to me, it's timeless. Yeah, it
just takes me back to a certain time and I'm like,
oh my god, I love it and whatever I could.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Listen to the hook makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah. Yeah, And no I'm not lucky, I'm blessed. Yes,
I'm like, yeah, girl, I loved it. I don't know
if you're if where you listened to this gave you?
Check it out with will I am did it okay?
Because on here this is what it gave me Like
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it wouldn't play, so I had to like look for
the song outside of it.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But this song, I'm sorry, I just cracked my headphones
on my mic. Did you really?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh? I think it's Oh, it's okay. This song I
really liked. This was like a single before the album
was even announced, I think or she announced it when
she dropped this single something like that. But this song
came out I think the summer of twenty ten, and
this went double platinum. In my bedroom on my I
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home okay and don't get me started on a conversation
about my eye home and what happened to my dad
broke it? But it's okay. But this song, I don't know.
There's a video that went with it, and it was
so like quote unquote futuristic, and I loved it. And
then something that Nikki did back then and she still
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does now. I'm kind of over it now, but back
then I really loved it, where like she would like
make she would like glitch her lyrics on purpose, so
like six step up, like I used to love that.
I don't know why. I thought it was so cool.
I thought it was like, oh my god, she's the
best whatever. But this, I mean, this song was really
(36:33):
good to me. And Will I Am is a lunatic,
we get it, but this was it.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So this holds up for you?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I think it could be nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think after like halfway through, I was like, why
do I hate this song so much?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Did you figure out?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And then I looked down and I saw Will I
AM's name and I was, Oh, it's a rejected Black
Eyed Piece.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It was.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was, Oh, will I Am is a brilliant guy.
He knows how to make pop music that people will
just buy, and I can't stand any of it. It's
like the Black Eyed Piece have some of the most
annoying songs in my life, some songs that have literally
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haunted me. Oh no, I've had the I've had the idea,
and I would need to I need some time to
put together like a list and maybe we could both
do it. Of like songs that have haunted you, Songs
that just like come into your head and you're just like,
oh my.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
God, oh oh, I know one right now, and I
won't say it out loud because it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Bring you back rest of the day. But I know
what I what always would happen to me is like
in gym class or like in soccer practice or something
like I'm running and I know I'm gonna be running
for a while, and like a song would pop into
my head, a song that I didn't like, whoa, and
that would just be like on a loop in my head,
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like running until like I'm done with like the second
mile or however long I have to do it. And
that's why I never did cross country.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, no, okay, Now to my favorite song of the album.
I think. I think. I think Blazon is just I
think that she is wrapping her ass off to be
completely honest, and yeah, no, I think that she is
(38:33):
like rap and rappin' and Kanye who cares about this guy.
I think even at that point I was kind of
over him. When it came to like him. I think
this is when he started doing like even more outlandish
things on songs, because he was always saying and doing
things that were a little off, but he was saying
things that actually you could like kind of not not
(38:54):
necessarily agree with, but like you could you could still
understand how he came to whatever conclusion of like whatever
he was talking about. I think this is when he
started going like And this was around the time when
amber Rose left him, and we all know his music
has nosed I've sense, and so I really think that
this was the beginning of the end, and I saw
it on this song. But as for NICKI, how could
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it be little? He had to power to be the
best beat in the leaguya like, come on stop, oh Nika,
you did what you had to do.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I love this song. I love it. This song I
kind of had to eliminate because of the Kanye part
of it. There's a lot of artists that I love,
a lot of music that's like important to me. There
is not one artist who I would stick with after
they like tried out being a neo Nazi for a
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little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
God tell me about.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Kanye did this?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, he did?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
He twenty twenty one, twenty two. He literally was like
Nazis weren't so bad, and that he let that hang
out there for like two or three months, and then
it was like whoops, Like we don't ask that much
of celebrities. Honestly, cancel culture not a real thing. It's
(40:09):
just like, don't beat up women or children, don't become
a Nazi. And Kanye West did at least one of
those three things.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean, literally, okay.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
He is, and it's just it's just a no. So
I think you're probably I like that you talked about
how Nikki's performance is really good. I just couldn't really.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Get into it. You couldn't get into it. What if
you did you even get to a how do I
phrase this? Were you listening and then you heard him
and you were immediately like no, or did you see
that he was on the song before you gave it
a shot?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
We listened to this in the car and I don't
I can't say that I know Kanye's voice. I don't
think he has a distinctive voice. You mentioned that it
was Kanye, and I was like Okay, damn oh. I
did listen to it again after that when I was
getting through the album, and after that I was just like, no,
not anymore. It didn't really affect me, I would say,
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but Kanye being on it certainly overshadowed it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That really sucks because his first two albums are so good.
I've like, I'll hear a song from one of those
albums and I'm just like, it makes me sad because
it's like you can't enjoy the way that you used to,
but it still brings back memories of how of like
that time and how good it was. It thought, oh
(41:33):
my god, this man has ruined his life in a
lot of hours with it.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So yeah, whatever, and I don't take that away from him.
And like, it may still happen that some artists that
I think is amazing just like goes off the deep
end and does something that's unforgivable, Like I'll move on. Yeah,
we live in an age where there's so much music
that I'll find something to replace whatever that is you
(42:00):
have to. And it actually did something like this happened
to a band that I do love a lot, where
one of the principal members was like, hey, everybody. Sorry,
I've actually been beating my wife for like a really
long time, and I'd kind of like to listen to
that band again, but I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. Oh.
It makes me sad because I can see the artwork
for the album that I'm thinking of and I'm like,
I can't. I'm gonna be honest here, I am. The
next track that not one of my faves. It's not
even one that I even really care about, to be
completely honest, it just and as I said that I
(42:42):
could hear it in my head, it just doesn't do
it for me. It never did.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I wrote that this was kind of interesting but also
not interesting at all, and I don't really know what
I meant by.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
That, but I kind of get it, Like I like
the I really I can't sing it because it's not
it's like the music to it. I think that she
tried to make it sound like a New York song,
and to me, it didn't do it for me. So yes,
oh Nita, thank you so much for your time, but
not not that one. Dear old Nikki. Like I said earlier,
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it was one of my favorite songs at a point,
but I cannot get over like this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
You were like when I grew up, I'll have a.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, it'll mean dear old diamond. But it just the
singing really bothers me. It really does. But then, also, okay,
let me take it back. I'm not going to take
back what I said about her singing. I'm going backward
the idea that I mean, everyone has been told to like, oh,
(43:50):
or has been asked, what would you say to yourself,
your twenty year old self, your sixteen year old self,
blah blah blah whatever. And I feel like this was
like a prompt that she used, and I really appreciated
it because it's like, at this point, she was at
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what a lot of people thought would be the height
of her career, because I don't think anybody has come
out the gate the way that she did as an artist,
and like the stardom and stuff like that, so for
her to be at the height of her career, but
like still talk about the things that she appreciates from
her past or who she was in her past, and
(44:33):
like wanting to bring certain elements of who she was
with her. I know that that was really cute. I
don't know if cute is the word to use. I
don't know if she would appreciate me calling it cute,
but it is because like a lot of people are
taught to like leave a lot of things behind, but
you don't hear about people saying that they wish that
they would have taken some certain elements of themselves into
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the future with them, which I liked it. I liked it.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, there is something interesting about the fact that she
kind of she wrote this album as if she knew
that it was going to be a gigantic kid. So
it's like you think about when this song is being written,
like she's not that yet, Like she's enjoyed some success
(45:18):
because of you know, the record deal and management and whatever.
But it's like it's almost like the money isn't real
yet because you haven't you haven't paid back the record company.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yes, yes, I get it. Oh, okay, are you ready
to get some of this maxe on because.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
So you're you mentioned that Moment for Life was like
the sweet sixteen jam Your Love. I don't think there's
anything like musically interesting about this, but this foresure was
coming on at the school dance for a lot of people. Yeah,
(45:56):
and this was like a slow dance song. I mean,
I can see the little the disco, the party lights,
ah in the school gym.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know a fun fact about this song. The producer
who I guess made the beat, sampled an older song
and they sent the sample to be cleared basically, and
the person whose song it was was like, no, and
so he redid this entire like from scratch and not
(46:32):
really because he had a reference, you know what I mean,
But he tweaked a lot of it so that it
wasn't the same thing, but they were able to use it,
which I think is really cool. But then also like
you did all that for this song, like for her
to be saying but that no over and over and
over again. Yeah, it's like, girl, we get it. I
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don't know. The video is very like you could tell
the budget hadn't tapped in at that point because it's
like her with like a red curtain blown in the
wind behind her. But then also at the same time
she's like taking karate classes. It is very strange and
she's like in love with the sense. It's very weird.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, that sounds fascinating. Music videos from this time were
wild because some people had a big budget. Some people
had a big budget, but weren't going to use it
on the video yeah, because MTV was not playing music
or music videos anymore, and they didn't really know, like
where do we even put it? Yeah, and some people
(47:39):
were like, it's going on YouTube, so let's just like
slap some shit together.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah. I don't know what she to be completely.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And then there's like m I A who was putting
like probably hundreds of thousands of dollars into her music videos.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I think that she used most of most of the
budget on Check it Out, maybe Moment for Life and this,
but this came out before them, So to me, it
was like, no, she had she didn't get the budget yet,
There's no way. There's no way, And I'll show it
to you afterwards, okay, because it is very I'm like, huh, girl.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm in the story you described. I'm in.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'm trying to think back to the lyrics to see
if she mentions like yeah, I don't think she did,
and so like, what was the point of that? I
don't get it? Whatever, Oh, Nica, how'd you feel about
Last Chance?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's just such a generic, faux inspirational song and Natasha's
vocal is not doesn't feel good. No, I think they
like they had her sing something that could not be
in a comfortable like rain.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Rain for her. Maybe. Do you I think that these
lyrics are I wonder if she wrote them because to me,
it gives that gimmicky yeah popula what is it pocket
sunshine vibe or unwritten vibe? Eh? I really I want
(49:14):
to say that I wouldn't have ended the album like this,
but I think it was the perfect way to end it,
to be completely honest, like get me out of here,
you know, get me out. She's a writer on it. Yeah,
so maybe she did write it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
But do you know why she changed her name Niki? Yeah?
I mean I get why going from Onnika to Nikki.
People probably called her Nikki anyway, But why mirage to Minaj.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Because she said she just leaned into the sexualization of women.
To be completely she she did an interview. This may
have been one of her Okay, she used to do
mixtapes and they did an actual tape like cassette. Yeah,
(50:09):
cassette tape. Oh, no VHS tape or DVD. H I
think at that point we were transitioning. I don't know,
I maybe dating this a little bit too whatever, and
in it a guy asks like, why is this your name?
And she talks about it, but then she's also trying
to be sexy, so I'm like, okay, Anika, She's like
because who wouldn't want a manage or something like I'm
(50:31):
a girl by Okay, Like we get it, please, Okay.
Don't really understand her as a person anymore, but it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
So are you gonna? Are you gonna jam this album again?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
That is very tough? I want to say no. Uh.
Based off of these last three listens, I do not
think that I'll listen to the album in its entirety
ever again. But then again, I feel like I might.
I might. There are definitely songs that I'll listen to
on their own, a lot of songs that I won't
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have a choice but to hear, you know, like Moment
for Life. I'm going to hear that over and over again.
Starships I'll probably hear until the day I die, you know.
But I don't know if i'd actually go turn this
entire album on. And that's sad because fourteen fifteen year
old Diamond would not be happy with me. But it
(51:29):
is what it is. We gotta grow. I can't, I
don't think, so what about you?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
No, of course not so here my rank, so I'll
go from the bottom up F tire Boys and obviously
Kanye sucks. What an idiot? D I have? Check it out?
Whoa Okay, Roman's revenge here, I am see, I have
(51:57):
moment for life. But maybe I'll move that up to B. Okay,
just because you made a compelling argument. Dear old Nikki,
last chance, you're a love the B tier, I'm the
best right through me and fly okay, and then the
A tier?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Did it on them? And save me?
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Wow? Save me's in there?
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, wow, save me solid.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I'm shocked. I'm a little bit shocked. Honestly, I'm shocked. Okay, Wow,
I like this, I really do. But yeah, definitely won't
be listening to it again. Well do you think you'll
listen to did It on Them? Again?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah? Okay, Yeah, I think I could have put that
in the tier above A, the S tier. Oh, just
because it's kind of funny, like the line about I
keep some wet wipes on me because a bum tries
to touch me. That's funny, that's really funny. Yes, so
I gotta respect that.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, I love it. I love it. Listen, she she
did what she say, just let them bums blow steam
Radiator out, like, yeah, my god, taking me back to
my grandparents house.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Like I love that.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
But yeah, okay, I'm very happy that that of all songs,
I'm gonna take that as a win for me, the
fact that you like did it on them over the
rest of the album and save me.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
But you know whatever, I'm looking for something and I
got something.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Okay, all right, cool. Do you have any ideas of
what our next?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I have several ideas, but let's come back after the
break and we'll talk about it. Welcome back to Affirst. Listen,
I mean Andrew and I'm Diamond, and that's Pink Friday Baby.
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Some lows and some highs.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, yeah, very nostalgic. We'll just look at that because.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
And I can tend them. But nostalgia is not always good.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
People talk about like, oh my god, nostalgia my favorite
thing ever of a time when my life was better,
and that's supposed to make me feel what about my day?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Oh boy, what are you gonna do? What do you
think we should listen to next? Andrew, do you have
any suggestions.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Okay, So I have a little bit of guilt. We
we've covered the blues, uh tangentially, I guess on the
show I've talked about the blues a lot because we've
done albums by Led Zeppelin, the White Stripes, to artists
(54:59):
that worship the blues, Stevie Wonder, and so maybe it's
time that we actually explore a legitimate blues record, which
is hard to I've really kind of agonized over the
weekend over this decision. The blues is tough because while
(55:21):
it is maybe the most important genre of music ever,
in turn, like especially in the lens of like popular music,
Like all the music that is considered popular music, whether
it's hip hop, funk, heavy metal, rock and roll, pop,
that all has the common ancestor of the blues. And
(55:44):
there's a lot of recorded blues music available. A lot
of it sounds like absolute trash. A lot of it
is like you can really only listen to it almost academically,
and for modern years, when we're accustomed to albums sounding
a certain way, it can be a little bit tough.
(56:06):
So I spent most of yesterday just like cycling through
all these blues artists that I know trying to find
a recording that was that was going to hold up.
And it's also difficult because blues became such a phenomenon
(56:27):
in the late sixties and early seventies, so a lot
of the albums that came out around that time that
are blues albums by blues artists were sort of influenced
by rock and roll. Oh okay, So I think this
record that I'm suggesting would have at the time been
(56:48):
considered actually rhythm and blues. Okay, So we're gonna do
bb King Live at the Regal from nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
As before my parents were born. So maybe I should
make them listen to it with me.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, I mean, it's bb King, the King of the Blues,
as he was known. Elvis was the King of rock
and roll, Michael Jackson the King of pop. BB King
was the King of the blues. He's probably the most
famous blues artist ever ever. He had like a seventy
year career. This was a guy who literally started in
(57:27):
the forties. Insane, that's crazy, Yeah, And I think one
of the reasons BBI was so popular even late in
his life was because he really embraced rock and roll
and embraced collaborating with rock artists who were honored yeah
(57:50):
to be in the same room with him. So this
is a live record by bb King and his band.
I think it sounds really good, especially for the time.
You know, he was a huge artist, so he had,
I guess all the access. I'm not sure if the
version I was listening to was remixed or remastered. It
sounded pretty clean, though, so we'll check it out. It's
(58:12):
only like a thirty five minute record.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
It's got a lot of Bbe's standards tunes that he
would literally go on to play for the rest of
his life. I love that they there's a lot of
like him talking in between songs or like vamping with
the band where he's just like he's super charming and
always had this like fatherly grandfatherly, fun uncle type of vibe.
(58:37):
So I think we're both gonna really enjoy it. You
said on the Metallic episode that you were turning into
a guitar girl.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Maybe, oh yes, And.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
This will be an episode where I'll play a little
guitar to like demonstrate some stuff BB King's playing in
the guitar world. Is some of the most influential feel
that you will ever hear. There are. They're literally like
places on the guitar, on the guitar neck that I
(59:09):
can point to where like this is called the bb kingbox.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Where guitar players when they're learning, they literally learn like
the phrases and the licks that BB King sort of
made popular.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
So cool. Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
So this will be interesting. It is a vocal record.
It's not like a jammy record. This is like Bbe's
from like a show business era. So you're gonna get
like suit and tie, like welcome, welcome to the show
type of vibe here. I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I am excited simply because I really do think that
I met him as a child, and maybe while listening
to this, it'll make me think about when and where
this happened.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
If you can verify this with your parents.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yes, and I'll tell you a little why I think
I met him on the next episode. Okay, Cliffhanger, Babes,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So that's the next episode of that first listen. Thank
you so much for listening, and we'll catch you next time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Bye.
Welcome back to a new episode about First Listen. There's
no intro today, We're just getting right into it because
we we're not used to having guests yet. So we
(00:24):
did like the intro of this episode in the outro
of the last episode. So we're just doing our best
over here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're trying. We're trying, okay, And I hope you guys
are excited about this journey because it's taking a while
for us to get it together.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Maybe people don't like the intro and we're about to
find that out.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, let us know, honestly, reach out to us on Instagram,
on our instagrams or at First Listen Podcast Instagram because
we need to know what you guys are thinking. And
I don't know, maybe send your recommendations before this episode
because Andrew might not be happy about it. You may
never want to hear it again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So yeah, this is a special day because I after today,
I don't need to hear this album anymore. Today's episode
was I'm going to use the toxic language that we've
fallen into. Diamond forced me to listen to Nicki Minaja's
Pink Friday from twenty ten two ten.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What a time? What were you doing. What were you
doing Thanksgiving week of twenty ten?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh? Thanksgiving? Okay, let me think this was probably a
bad time if I'm thinking about I was in a
bad relationship at this time. Oh god, and it was
I think it ended right before Christmas, which was good. Yeah,
(01:49):
that was when things started to turn back around for Andrew.
But yeah, Thanksgiving must have been probably about the dark time.
What Yeah, okay, well I didn't think of that until
you asked the question.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I mean maybe if you heard this album around
that time, it would have been way darker for you,
but it was a time for me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And again, so yeah, what was Diamond doing?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I was waiting for this album, and I'm almost positive
that on Thanksgiving night. I get confused because in my
head it didn't come out. It came out the week
before Thanksgiving. But that's in my head. The facts are
the facts.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And I've also seen different years connected to this album. Really,
I've seen that it came out in two thousand and
nine in some places, and in others that it came
out in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
No, it definitely came out in twenty ten, because.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Maybe there is a single that she released the previous
year or something.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Maybe your love maybe, but I feel like everything with her,
it seems like like things were rolling. I was a
fan of her since like two thousand and seven, so
like things were rolling for her. And then when when
she hit like Sheep were very mainstream, very fast, it
seemed like very fast. And then everything happened so fast.
She did the Monster feature on Kanye's album that I
(03:17):
think came out in like September of that year, if
I'm not mistaken, and I think that that's what pushed
them to drop this album as fast as they did.
I think that either Kanye's album or the Monster single
dropped around maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And then the follow up to this album is called
Roman's Revenge, and then there's also a song on this
album called Revenge. So you you said you were confused
about the Black album and the Metallica self titled and
you were searching the wrong name, So that confused me
a little bit. That makes sense, just trying to find
(03:58):
this album and also try to find the not like
remastered bonus track like forty track version, which I knew
I wasn't going to be able to get through. So
then there's an album that's, like, I guess a sequel
to this track.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, that album is it was a time as well. Okay,
I have to now that I listened back to this,
I have to go back and listen to a lot
of the other albums that I thought were so amazing
back then, because.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, let's start here like now, whenever, whenever you suggest
a record. After my experience on the White Stripes episode
where track by track two, I was like, this was
a huge mistake, and just the anxiety that comes with like, oh,
what is she going to think of this song? Is
(04:52):
she gonna hate this one?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And then also just the fact that I myself was
not really enjoying that album after it being a record
that was like really big for me. So when you
first revisited this record, how did it land for you?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So I thought that I was gonna go into it
basically the way that you've been thinking about things like, Okay, well,
what is Andrew gonna think about this song? What is Andrew?
Is he gonna like this? Oh? I know he's not
gonna like that. When I started listening to the album,
I was like, okay, Like I didn't even think about
you anymore. I was wondering, how did I like this song?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm like, hey, wow, what.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Was I thinking? And how was this acceptable? Like certain
things like that. But there was some nostalgia to it,
which I I appreciate, but also it just like we
could start right here. The singing, Oh please.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Girl, she can't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, And it bothers me because, like you're Nicki Minaj,
you can get whoever you want on your albums, right,
especially at this time.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
There are so many features on this album already.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Exactly you have you have Natasha Benningfield if I pronounce
her name right, And you mean to tell me that
you think that you should be singing the hooks on
these songs? Are you crazy? Like? And a few albums
later she does stuff with Ariana Grande and she does
the same thing, like I don't think anyone has told
(06:18):
her you are not a singer. Okay. You know how
to write music, you know how to rap. I'm happy
for you. You know how to switch the flowes, how
to find a pocket when it comes to the beat.
But girl, you can't sing. It's bothering me. It really,
Oh my god, it gets under my skin after listening
to this, I can't, Andrew, I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I thought the singing that surprised me, and I think it.
I know, I would love to know how Nikki herself
feels about her own voice, Like is she doing these
features because oh I want somebody else to sing it,
(06:59):
or because I don't want to sing it, or it
won't sound great with me singing because I'm a little
bit more positive on her voice her singing voice. For one,
I didn't know that it was her singing until I
actually like looked into it. I think her voice is fine.
(07:20):
I think it's really interesting that she's, to me, someone
who can sing but chooses not to.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, I guess for me, she can't sing and
she chooses to.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So the songs that are just her vocals her singing,
those are just out for you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh well, Like Dear Old Nikki used to be like
one of my favorite songs. I don't know why. I
just liked it, like you know, the contrast between the
old version of herself and the new one. But when
she goes needed you, I can't take it. I don't
know how that got like mixed and mastered and they
still were like great, amazing, like, but I remember having
(07:59):
like that cringe moment when I like would listen to
it years ago too, but it's just like, oh, I
love her, She's amazing. I'm a barb yeah, young Diamond whatever.
But like now I'm like, girl, you could have had
anybody else saying that. Anybody what's going on here? I
don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So I was initially impressed because I didn't think she
sang it all, and I wonder like if maybe that's
how she sort of started, like in the very very
early days, if she was like singing on people's tapes
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, No, she was like a she started off well,
she was an actress, so she went to school for acting. So, like,
I get it. And that's what makes me appreciate Roman's
Revenge on this album because it's very theatrical. She's doing
voices and whatever. Okay, Andrew Rolds's eyes, we'll get to that.
But she joined this rap group in the early two thousands.
(08:56):
I think it was called Star Something, Star Time, Star
Boys something, and she was the only woman and so
she used to rap with them. I don't think that
she's ever come out to say that she's been like that.
She did demos or stuff like that for other people,
(09:16):
or sang on like other people's music.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Because I'm sure all the rappers in her neighborhood were
looking for someone to sing the hook.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Maybe she was too busy trying to be a gangster,
which we'll get to that at another time, because she's
still trying. And I'm like, Onica, please, okay, please, girl,
but okay, I need to know what your favorites were. No,
do you want to just go in order?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Do you want to let me just say? Like I
thought that I would, really I thought this would be
a fun listen, more fun than it actually was, because
I think I had a generally positive view of Nicki
Minaj in the pop space as like a disruptor sort
(10:03):
of a figure, which is maybe what drew you, drew
you to her back in the day, maybe because I
think as far as I know it, like I know
in Beyonce's early solo artist days, there was really a
thing where female R and B artists who tried to rap.
(10:29):
It was kind of a thing like, oh, like girls
can't rap or something like that. That was like a
bit of that was in the discourse around it. Even
though like Missy Elliott had been around forever already, right.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We just all forgot not forgot about her, but we
just did include her in those conversations.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I guess it was a thing. Honestly, I don't know
how much of a thing it was. So for someone
like Nicki Minaj to come out and be like, I
am a rapper first and foremost, and I'm also a
pop star, it was like an interesting take on it.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think all of that happened by accident or on accident.
She she continues to this day to like drive home
the fact that she's a rapper first, and so I
think that like her music going pop, I think it
was more of like, I want to be playful and
I want to like experiment with different things, so like
(11:21):
starships and stuff like that. Like she was just having
fun and it just so happened to be poppy. But
it's weird because she says now that she hates these
pop songs that she made for this album, yeah, or
her her entire career. Okay, she's like some of her
(11:42):
biggest songs, which were the poppy ones, she hates them.
And I'm like, well, how could you hate starf I
almost said Starfish? How could you hate starships? I don't
get it, but she like, I think that it's because
she's she feels as though she's continued, like had to
prove that she's a rapper first and foremost. That like
(12:03):
makes her hate the pop music, which girl, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I love it when she raps, but I like when
someone makes a pop like a rapper makes a pop song.
I think that it's like, come on, give me something,
give me, give me something.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Diamond needs it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
People like me need it, who love pop music. We
need that. I can't. I don't know, Andrew, You're gonna
have me rambling, and I think maybe we should take
a break before we get into the actual truck.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, let's do that. We'll be right back on a
first listen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
After this, and we're back. I think I got myself together. Okay,
it's at first listen, Yeah, I was. I was very
very hot. I mean something about then kimonosh Kids under
(12:54):
my skin now in a way that it never did Anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm Diamond and I'm Andrew. In this episode, we listen
to at first, what we listened to Nicki Minaj just
Pink Friday. So one of the things that I always
thought was really cool about Nicki Minaj speaking to our
last episode with April about being punk as fuck was
(13:19):
a term that she used when she showed up at
the Grammy Awards in twenty twelve, and this was her thing.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, that was very weird.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I still don't know why she did this, for she
comes out and all read as like a cardinal and
there's this old white guy I dressed as the Pope.
I don't think she ever explained it as far as
I can tell, but this was very metal of her
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think that that was around the time when Gaga
was like shitting on these hosts, but like this like creative,
these creative outfits, and I think Nicki felt like she
had something to prove, which I think she went the
wrong in the wrong direction with that, but it is
what it is. She also Performedman's Revenge at that Grammys,
(14:04):
and so I think she tried to tie it all together.
But I think what she forgot was that like her
fans knew Romance Revenge, right, so when I saw her,
I automatically thought like she's doing something weird, like like
you know, like okay, And then when she performed Roman's Revenge,
I got it like it made sense because she did
like a church scene and all that stuff. Okay, but
(14:26):
to the average person who only knows at that point,
maybe I think Moment for Life was her single at
that point. I don't people knew Starships, but I don't
think it had taken off yet, Like people don't know that.
They're not listening to Romans Revenge. We're all not all
like Broadway lovers over here, so we're not paying attention
that people. It didn't connect. It didn't connect. And then
(14:47):
don't get me started on the performance itself.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It was she does she do the singing live? Like,
if you go to see her on her her next tour,
do you expect her to sing?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think she expects to sing it, okay, but to
me it sounds like screeching. I mean, like it really really.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Maybe that's the thing. Maybe because you've seen her do
it live and it's not good live, that's why you
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe listen. I can't take anything away from her. I
don't like her singing, but I've been singing along to
it for years. But what I will say is that
she is not the best performer. So maybe that's what
gets me with her. That kind of started the like
I had to back up from her. She's a true
(15:35):
rapper when it comes to her performance, if that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
She actually like gives a shit about how she sounds.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean no, no, no, okay, I mean like.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So oh she's the true rapper.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, she has the backtrack and like whatever I think
this last tour people have said it was better, so
I didn't go see it. She's she confuses me.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Go ahead, so let's go track by track. So you
and I driving back from jet scamp, we listen to
the first three tracks, plus I think we listened to
Blazon as well in the car, but I'll start with
number one. I'm the Best. I was shocked at how
(16:19):
pop the track is for this really, because this the track.
The only thing that is not pop about this track
musically is that there's no bridge. Okay, the rest it
sounds completely like a pop song. And then of course
(16:40):
she's rapping over you. There's a lot of like autobiographical
lyrics on this record, and with this one, I was like, Okay,
I think I get it after like thirty seconds or
so maybe the first verse, and I kind of get
the picture like you struggled and now things are good,
so that when those ideas come back later on the record.
(17:03):
I'm like, we talked.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
About this already, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We talked about this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I don't. I'm the Best is like one of
those songs for me that's like if I hear it,
I don't know the words to it, but not really
kind of like I forced myself to know this album
so much when I was younger that now I'm like,
why did I Like, like, I get it if you're getting.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
In the title. Also, yeah, it's like I read the title,
I hear your first verse, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Got it, Like you know, I could have done with
a little interlude. I didn't need a full song.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I will say overall, I think the mix is not exciting.
The mix on this it's very like flat and undynamic.
There's not really anything interesting happening compared to Beyonce Renaissance.
I can I can understand you hold Renaissance in such
(18:02):
high regard coming from this album, because while all the
lyrics are about how like big budget this record is,
it doesn't sound big budget from a production standpoint, except
when you read the names on the track, like you know,
like Drake is not coming cheap or he's getting a piece.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, he may have been cheap for this album because
they were both like, I don't think his album had
come out, you know, his first, his big album. I
think he released a mixtape that did really really well
and people counted it as an album. I don't think
he does.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But it was also Lehanna and Natasha bedding Field might
have done it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
For which kind of like I'm like, where the hell,
Like what do you think about them? Like, where the
hell did this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think that's gotta be just nicky as a fan,
because I don't think Natasha bedding Field. I think this
was a few years after Pockets that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, it was definitely years after Unwritten, right, Like that
was like what four?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, I just I just remember seeing that video
on VH one, which I'm sure I was not watching
in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. How'd you feel about Roman's Revenge?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So we talked a little bit about this. I just
can't stand Eminem and I know some I know someone
left the comment on our Instagram saying we should do
the eight mile soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh that seems like it was wall Maybe Okay, you
don't like Eminem, so maybe not, but like that got
me excited.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'll say I'm a little bit curious because people say
that movie is really good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You've never seen Andrew.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm a little bit curious. But also I can't stand eminem.
I just don't like it. When he came I was
in like fifth grade or something when he came out,
and I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was like, no, oh my god, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And this, I think is all of the things that
I don't like about him. He's still using the F word.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But people were using it back then,
not saying that it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It was past being okay. Whenever he recorded this that song,
it was no longer okay for him to do. I
literally think he uses it so much because he's not
allowed to say the N word.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
That might be true. That might be true, Andrew, I
didn't think about that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He says a lot of things, not only on this song,
but like even his latest music, the latest single that
he dropped or album yeah they dropped. He says a
lot of things that I don't think a lot of
people could or would get away with. But we'll leave
it at that. Roman's Revenge was one of my favorite
songs because I like theatrical music and I like the
(20:53):
fact that she had these different characters in her music
and like you kind of could keep up, but not really. So,
like I don't know, if you know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Roman is the ultra ego Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, And so she likes to say that when she's
on track saying things that people wouldn't normally say or
expect her to say or be able to get away with,
it's Roman, it's not her. So when she's talking shit
about somebody, which she was doing all throughout the song,
I don't think if I don't know if you know,
(21:26):
But like this song was basically sounds, so she was
mostly talking about Little Kim throughout the entire Well, she says,
I hang it out flat screen, like you're done, And
so she says that this is Roman talking and not her,
And I think that that's probably why she got Eminem
on it, because not only is he theatrical and he
paints these like crazy pictures in your head in his
(21:49):
head with his music, but he's such a shit talker,
you know, So like I get it. I understand why
she did it. And she said that she's always been
a huge fan, which makes sense because of the theatrics.
But I always really like this I loved do when
she says forced trauma blunt, Oh okay and uh and
(22:11):
I kicked that whole punt. I don't know why. I
always thought that was like really cool, and the sea
word before that she did, hold on.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm pretty sure she rhymes. She says the sea word
and then she rhymes punt or blunt and then punt.
Pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But okay, I'll give you that, but I don't want
to say it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's a clever line. The uh. As much as I
don't like Eminem's part in this, and he basically just
takes over the song after he comes in, and it's
like the last two minutes or just Eminem talking shit.
She comes back at the end with like one of
the worst British accents I've ever.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh my god, stopped, Oh it, Range City stop. One
thing you're not going to do is come at that
British accent because she does it all the time. She
still doesn't to this day. I've always thought it was
pretty good, but that's coming from someone who can I
can't do it to save my life. And this is
I mean, I watched so much Love Island UK, you
would think that I would have something down Now all
(23:11):
I know is I've gone text.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's it. That's really good.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What did you how did you feel about? Did it
on them?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Pretty shocking?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
A lot of peepee poo poo talk on the on
the Oh my god, I think this is probably the
best song on the album, though. I I appreciate the
don Imus diss.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
With the shitty set about the Rutgers basketball team. What
an asshole? No Radio Hall of Fame or Donna Iron
come on and you wonder why the industry is dying?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
This is the thing with her. Do you know that
she said that a lot of the things that she
talks about in her music, it was she did. She
did something once where she made a football reference and
it was actually it was like a punter. I can't
remember what song it was, but people and I was
(24:13):
very excited because I really like football, so I knew
who the player was. And people were on Twitter at
the time like, oh my god, you love football, you
watch whatever, And She's like, no, I just googled. I
googled punters and like whatever name rhymed, and so a
lot of this she's like, I do it all the time.
There are a lot of things that she references in
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her music, or at least at this point she was.
She had no clue what she was talking about, but
she just googled and was like, oh, that makes sense
and it kind of rhymes. Okay, cool, let's go with
let's go down that road. So let's not I don't know,
I don't know if I want to give her that
much credit to be completely honest.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, no, because there's also there's like I don't know
if it's a sample or if she actually had somebody
like perform that. That whole like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
The yelling in the background, Oh my god, that's her
ex boyfriend Safari, who's on all of these reality shows.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now he's because she says it, and then there's that
whole thing with him saying it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, so he We don't have time to really get
into this, but for a really long time he was
her assistant, hype man whatever, and no one, a lot
of people didn't know that they were dating, but they
have been together for a very long time. And he
actually is credited as an A and R on this
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album because he was not writing any of the music,
but was in the studio for a lot of it.
So we'll just leave it there. Because she takes her
writing very seriously. Wow, and did it on him. Used
to be one of my karaoke songs until because I
was like, I can't sing, so I might as well
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rap a song that I know all the lyrics to.
Until one day I did it at a place and
there were older people there, like grandparents, and I was like,
I can't sing the words to this. Yeah. So, but
things move so quickly that you just can't. Sometimes I'm like, no,
how'd you feel about right through me?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So this song sounded familiar, and it's because the sample
in it is a Joe Satriani song called always with Me,
Always with You.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Joe Satriani is most famous for being one of the
first guitar players to make instrumental rock albums.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So that's cool. There's a lot of instrumental music out there,
most of it is jazz until like the early eighties
when Joe Satrianni and then some other people came after.
Who are these amazing guitar players just did all this
composing and they put out music actually that had no vocals.
That's uh, where the the lead part is played on guitar.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So yeah, that's a Joe Satriani song. It's not my
favorite song of his. It's a bit it's a bit
loop loopy, loup like where it's a pretty sort of
figure but it doesn't really go anywhere. This is the
first taste of Nikki singing, so uh, I thought it
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was fine. Not my favorite, but it is. It is
cool that they found Joe Joe Satriani song for this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I'm trying to find out who was her For some reason,
this is all I can think about when I listened
to the album, and why I didn't google it before
is beyond me. But she had someone in the video
with her.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
She has done this where she just gets these like
super famous like rappers and stuff like that to be
in her videos as her like love interests. Okay, no, wrong,
wrong song clearly because they showed the guy and I
do not know this man anyway. Right through Me was
a song that I thought was really cute at one time,
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but then you realize that it's about this guy Safari
that she had been dating on and off, and like
you know, and it's like I just don't get it whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think this guy's kind of a loser is what
you're saying safari.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, sure, okay, I mean, I mean the things that
he's done since their relationship ended have proven that he
pretty much is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So Joe Satriani not a loser. It just it just
occurred to me. He has actually some connections here. Really,
while at the time of the he's been based in
San Francisco for a very long time, however, generally from
Long Island. Oh wow, okay, Joe Satriani's uh, he's in
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Sammy Hagar's band right now. He's in another band with
Sammy Hagar called Chicken Foot that's been sort of defunct.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
He gave Steve I guitar lessons, like literally one of
Steve's first guitar teachers, and also, after he moved to
San Francisco, taught Kirk Hammett guitar. Kirk Hammett is the
lead guitar player from Metallica.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh okay, I almost pretended to air guitar just now,
but I couldn't think of it never.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
This is just bad for me, But that is actually
interesting that both Joe and Nicki are from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Nikki's from Queensis from Queen's Yeah, oh, I thought she
was from such queens and it's crazy. I'm trying to
think if that's a song that's actually on this album,
don't get me started, I will bust.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Out into that sounds sort of familiar, so probably.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's a moment for life.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was relieved to hear Rihanna's voice I will fly.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Oh, thank god, because if Nicki tried to sing this one,
I don't know what I would have done. Listen, and
this was red hair Rianna, so that was that was
what I think that that album was loud that came
out a few months after this. To me, especially around
this time, Rihanna could do no wrong, like she just
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adding her to this song. I don't know what this
song would have been like without her. I think it
would have been a throwaway record to me because I
don't even remember. After listening to this most recently three times,
I don't remember what Nicki is saying. I was like,
I wish today it could rain all day. Maybe not
rain nor way, I don't know, like it just it
(30:49):
doesn't stick. But yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I agree. I also ranked the song oh because I
needed I needed to play like a little game with
myself to just listen to just incentifize me listening to
and getting familiar with this record. So maybe after we
get through the last song, oh, give me my rankings
and we'll talk about it for.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You gree please okay save me.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This was when it finally set in that it is
Nikki singing okay, because I was looking at the credits
and I'm like, there's no no one else credited with
vocals okay.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think that this played into her fan base at
the time, being like emotional, fake, depressed teenagers like it
just you know, like, my test is hard, my friend's
being annoying, my quote unquote boyfriend is ignoring me.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Save me.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh my god, Like you know, I was like please
listening to it now, I'm like, please, like get out
of here. When people are like your music saved my life,
I'm like, you were literally sixteen and you were you
just grew up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You just grew up. Yes, and then it was fine.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Thank you. It just so happened that this song was
playing at a certain time, like you remember it played.
It works moment for life. I love when Nikki and
Drake make music together, whether she's featured on his record
or he's featured on hers. I love it like, I
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don't think. I think it's a recipe for a hit,
to be completely honest, and so this, I mean, this
was played at every Sweet sixteen from twenty and ten on,
and so, like I said, I think that she may
have done this with the entire album she played into
like what she thought. I guess high school girls wanted
(32:40):
to hear because this song. I mean, I'm pretty sure
that at all of my friends sweet sixteens from twenty
ten on, everyone was walking out to Moment for Life.
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I definitely get that. I think Drake's versus pretty lame.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm trying to think of how did it start?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And this is also in a post Kendrick Drake feud world.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh yeah, no, we got it, And I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Think for me Drake will ever recover.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, not that I was like a fan at all before,
but can we do it?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No? I think there's one, as.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Long as it's an actual album and not just hey,
here's the my forty two most recent song.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, this was when he was actually trying.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I will say that the the EP or mixtape whatever
it was with Future.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Whoa really jump man? Is a good whoa.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh my god, Okay, we got to talk about this
at another time. I'm shocked, but I think at this time, uh,
Drake was on fire, both of them. They were on fire,
and they were signed to the same label, and they
were really really close. I don't know. He it was weird.
She He would always try to flirt with her and
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say he had a crush on her, but you would say, no,
he's like a brother to me, which was very cringe.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Drake being cringe.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yes, Oh, he's done a lot of things recently that
to me are super cringe. And it just opened my
eyes to.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
A lot of so one of the one of the
early examples of Drake not really taking the hint.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, and then I'm wondering if like, I don't know,
I don't, I don't know. It was like they were
playing something up that wasn't really I don't know, I
don't know, but yes, this is I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I work with and Usher.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It did, but he didn't try too hard. And this
was before social media and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And Usher is way more charming. Yes, you know, just
infinitely come on.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This song I think is one of my favorites on
the album, just because to me, it's timeless. Yeah, it
just takes me back to a certain time and I'm like,
oh my god, I love it and whatever I could.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Listen to the hook makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah. Yeah, And no I'm not lucky, I'm blessed. Yes,
I'm like, yeah, girl, I loved it. I don't know
if you're if where you listened to this gave you?
Check it out with will I am did it okay?
Because on here this is what it gave me Like
(35:20):
it wouldn't play, so I had to like look for
the song outside of it.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
But this song, I'm sorry, I just cracked my headphones
on my mic. Did you really?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh? I think it's Oh, it's okay. This song I
really liked. This was like a single before the album
was even announced, I think or she announced it when
she dropped this single something like that. But this song
came out I think the summer of twenty ten, and
this went double platinum. In my bedroom on my I
(35:50):
home okay and don't get me started on a conversation
about my eye home and what happened to my dad
broke it? But it's okay. But this song, I don't know.
There's a video that went with it, and it was
so like quote unquote futuristic, and I loved it. And
then something that Nikki did back then and she still
(36:12):
does now. I'm kind of over it now, but back
then I really loved it, where like she would like
make she would like glitch her lyrics on purpose, so
like six step up, like I used to love that.
I don't know why. I thought it was so cool.
I thought it was like, oh my god, she's the
best whatever. But this, I mean, this song was really
(36:33):
good to me. And Will I Am is a lunatic,
we get it, but this was it.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So this holds up for you?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I think it could be nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think after like halfway through, I was like, why
do I hate this song so much?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Did you figure out?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And then I looked down and I saw Will I
AM's name and I was, Oh, it's a rejected Black
Eyed Piece.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It was.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was, Oh, will I Am is a brilliant guy.
He knows how to make pop music that people will
just buy, and I can't stand any of it. It's
like the Black Eyed Piece have some of the most
annoying songs in my life, some songs that have literally
(37:18):
haunted me. Oh no, I've had the I've had the idea,
and I would need to I need some time to
put together like a list and maybe we could both
do it. Of like songs that have haunted you, Songs
that just like come into your head and you're just like,
oh my.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
God, oh oh, I know one right now, and I
won't say it out loud because it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Bring you back rest of the day. But I know
what I what always would happen to me is like
in gym class or like in soccer practice or something
like I'm running and I know I'm gonna be running
for a while, and like a song would pop into
my head, a song that I didn't like, whoa, and
that would just be like on a loop in my head,
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like running until like I'm done with like the second
mile or however long I have to do it. And
that's why I never did cross country.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, no, okay, Now to my favorite song of the album.
I think. I think. I think Blazon is just I
think that she is wrapping her ass off to be
completely honest, and yeah, no, I think that she is
(38:33):
like rap and rappin' and Kanye who cares about this guy.
I think even at that point I was kind of
over him. When it came to like him. I think
this is when he started doing like even more outlandish
things on songs, because he was always saying and doing
things that were a little off, but he was saying
things that actually you could like kind of not not
(38:54):
necessarily agree with, but like you could you could still
understand how he came to whatever conclusion of like whatever
he was talking about. I think this is when he
started going like And this was around the time when
amber Rose left him, and we all know his music
has nosed I've sense, and so I really think that
this was the beginning of the end, and I saw
it on this song. But as for NICKI, how could
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it be little? He had to power to be the
best beat in the leaguya like, come on stop, oh Nika,
you did what you had to do.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I love this song. I love it. This song I
kind of had to eliminate because of the Kanye part
of it. There's a lot of artists that I love,
a lot of music that's like important to me. There
is not one artist who I would stick with after
they like tried out being a neo Nazi for a
(39:44):
little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
God tell me about.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Kanye did this?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, he did?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
He twenty twenty one, twenty two. He literally was like
Nazis weren't so bad, and that he let that hang
out there for like two or three months, and then
it was like whoops, Like we don't ask that much
of celebrities. Honestly, cancel culture not a real thing. It's
(40:09):
just like, don't beat up women or children, don't become
a Nazi. And Kanye West did at least one of
those three things.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean, literally, okay.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
He is, and it's just it's just a no. So
I think you're probably I like that you talked about
how Nikki's performance is really good. I just couldn't really.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Get into it. You couldn't get into it. What if
you did you even get to a how do I
phrase this? Were you listening and then you heard him
and you were immediately like no, or did you see
that he was on the song before you gave it
a shot?
Speaker 1 (40:46):
We listened to this in the car and I don't
I can't say that I know Kanye's voice. I don't
think he has a distinctive voice. You mentioned that it
was Kanye, and I was like Okay, damn oh. I
did listen to it again after that when I was
getting through the album, and after that I was just like, no,
not anymore. It didn't really affect me, I would say,
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but Kanye being on it certainly overshadowed it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That really sucks because his first two albums are so good.
I've like, I'll hear a song from one of those
albums and I'm just like, it makes me sad because
it's like you can't enjoy the way that you used to,
but it still brings back memories of how of like
that time and how good it was. It thought, oh
(41:33):
my god, this man has ruined his life in a
lot of hours with it.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So yeah, whatever, and I don't take that away from him.
And like, it may still happen that some artists that
I think is amazing just like goes off the deep
end and does something that's unforgivable, Like I'll move on. Yeah,
we live in an age where there's so much music
that I'll find something to replace whatever that is you
(42:00):
have to. And it actually did something like this happened
to a band that I do love a lot, where
one of the principal members was like, hey, everybody. Sorry,
I've actually been beating my wife for like a really
long time, and I'd kind of like to listen to
that band again, but I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. Oh.
It makes me sad because I can see the artwork
for the album that I'm thinking of and I'm like,
I can't. I'm gonna be honest here, I am. The
next track that not one of my faves. It's not
even one that I even really care about, to be
completely honest, it just and as I said that I
(42:42):
could hear it in my head, it just doesn't do
it for me. It never did.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I wrote that this was kind of interesting but also
not interesting at all, and I don't really know what
I meant by.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
That, but I kind of get it, Like I like
the I really I can't sing it because it's not
it's like the music to it. I think that she
tried to make it sound like a New York song,
and to me, it didn't do it for me. So yes,
oh Nita, thank you so much for your time, but
not not that one. Dear old Nikki. Like I said earlier,
(43:20):
it was one of my favorite songs at a point,
but I cannot get over like this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
You were like when I grew up, I'll have a.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, it'll mean dear old diamond. But it just the
singing really bothers me. It really does. But then, also, okay,
let me take it back. I'm not going to take
back what I said about her singing. I'm going backward
the idea that I mean, everyone has been told to like, oh,
(43:50):
or has been asked, what would you say to yourself,
your twenty year old self, your sixteen year old self,
blah blah blah whatever. And I feel like this was
like a prompt that she used, and I really appreciated
it because it's like, at this point, she was at
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what a lot of people thought would be the height
of her career, because I don't think anybody has come
out the gate the way that she did as an artist,
and like the stardom and stuff like that, so for
her to be at the height of her career, but
like still talk about the things that she appreciates from
her past or who she was in her past, and
(44:33):
like wanting to bring certain elements of who she was
with her. I know that that was really cute. I
don't know if cute is the word to use. I
don't know if she would appreciate me calling it cute,
but it is because like a lot of people are
taught to like leave a lot of things behind, but
you don't hear about people saying that they wish that
they would have taken some certain elements of themselves into
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the future with them, which I liked it. I liked it.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, there is something interesting about the fact that she
kind of she wrote this album as if she knew
that it was going to be a gigantic kid. So
it's like you think about when this song is being written,
like she's not that yet, Like she's enjoyed some success
(45:18):
because of you know, the record deal and management and whatever.
But it's like it's almost like the money isn't real
yet because you haven't you haven't paid back the record company.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yes, yes, I get it. Oh, okay, are you ready
to get some of this maxe on because.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
So you're you mentioned that Moment for Life was like
the sweet sixteen jam Your Love. I don't think there's
anything like musically interesting about this, but this foresure was
coming on at the school dance for a lot of people. Yeah,
(45:56):
and this was like a slow dance song. I mean,
I can see the little the disco, the party lights,
ah in the school gym.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know a fun fact about this song. The producer
who I guess made the beat, sampled an older song
and they sent the sample to be cleared basically, and
the person whose song it was was like, no, and
so he redid this entire like from scratch and not
(46:32):
really because he had a reference, you know what I mean,
But he tweaked a lot of it so that it
wasn't the same thing, but they were able to use it,
which I think is really cool. But then also like
you did all that for this song, like for her
to be saying but that no over and over and
over again. Yeah, it's like, girl, we get it. I
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don't know. The video is very like you could tell
the budget hadn't tapped in at that point because it's
like her with like a red curtain blown in the
wind behind her. But then also at the same time
she's like taking karate classes. It is very strange and
she's like in love with the sense. It's very weird.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, that sounds fascinating. Music videos from this time were
wild because some people had a big budget. Some people
had a big budget, but weren't going to use it
on the video yeah, because MTV was not playing music
or music videos anymore, and they didn't really know, like
where do we even put it? Yeah, and some people
(47:39):
were like, it's going on YouTube, so let's just like
slap some shit together.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah. I don't know what she to be completely.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
And then there's like m I A who was putting
like probably hundreds of thousands of dollars into her music videos.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I think that she used most of most of the
budget on Check it Out, maybe Moment for Life and this,
but this came out before them, So to me, it
was like, no, she had she didn't get the budget yet,
There's no way. There's no way, And I'll show it
to you afterwards, okay, because it is very I'm like, huh, girl.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm in the story you described. I'm in.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'm trying to think back to the lyrics to see
if she mentions like yeah, I don't think she did,
and so like, what was the point of that? I
don't get it? Whatever, Oh, Nica, how'd you feel about
Last Chance?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's just such a generic, faux inspirational song and Natasha's
vocal is not doesn't feel good. No, I think they
like they had her sing something that could not be
in a comfortable like rain.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Rain for her. Maybe. Do you I think that these
lyrics are I wonder if she wrote them because to me,
it gives that gimmicky yeah popula what is it pocket
sunshine vibe or unwritten vibe? Eh? I really I want
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to say that I wouldn't have ended the album like this,
but I think it was the perfect way to end it,
to be completely honest, like get me out of here,
you know, get me out. She's a writer on it. Yeah,
so maybe she did write it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
But do you know why she changed her name Niki? Yeah?
I mean I get why going from Onnika to Nikki.
People probably called her Nikki anyway, But why mirage to Minaj.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Because she said she just leaned into the sexualization of women.
To be completely she she did an interview. This may
have been one of her Okay, she used to do
mixtapes and they did an actual tape like cassette. Yeah,
(50:09):
cassette tape. Oh, no VHS tape or DVD. H I
think at that point we were transitioning. I don't know,
I maybe dating this a little bit too whatever, and
in it a guy asks like, why is this your name?
And she talks about it, but then she's also trying
to be sexy, so I'm like, okay, Anika, She's like
because who wouldn't want a manage or something like I'm
(50:31):
a girl by Okay, Like we get it, please, Okay.
Don't really understand her as a person anymore, but it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
So are you gonna? Are you gonna jam this album again?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
That is very tough? I want to say no. Uh.
Based off of these last three listens, I do not
think that I'll listen to the album in its entirety
ever again. But then again, I feel like I might.
I might. There are definitely songs that I'll listen to
on their own, a lot of songs that I won't
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have a choice but to hear, you know, like Moment
for Life. I'm going to hear that over and over again.
Starships I'll probably hear until the day I die, you know.
But I don't know if i'd actually go turn this
entire album on. And that's sad because fourteen fifteen year
old Diamond would not be happy with me. But it
(51:29):
is what it is. We gotta grow. I can't, I
don't think, so what about you?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
No, of course not so here my rank, so I'll
go from the bottom up F tire Boys and obviously
Kanye sucks. What an idiot? D I have? Check it out?
Whoa Okay, Roman's revenge here, I am see, I have
(51:57):
moment for life. But maybe I'll move that up to B. Okay,
just because you made a compelling argument. Dear old Nikki,
last chance, you're a love the B tier, I'm the
best right through me and fly okay, and then the
A tier?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Did it on them? And save me?
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Wow? Save me's in there?
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, wow, save me solid.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I'm shocked. I'm a little bit shocked. Honestly, I'm shocked. Okay, Wow,
I like this, I really do. But yeah, definitely won't
be listening to it again. Well do you think you'll
listen to did It on Them? Again?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah? Okay, Yeah, I think I could have put that
in the tier above A, the S tier. Oh, just
because it's kind of funny, like the line about I
keep some wet wipes on me because a bum tries
to touch me. That's funny, that's really funny. Yes, so
I gotta respect that.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, I love it. I love it. Listen, she she
did what she say, just let them bums blow steam
Radiator out, like, yeah, my god, taking me back to
my grandparents house.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Like I love that.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
But yeah, okay, I'm very happy that that of all songs,
I'm gonna take that as a win for me, the
fact that you like did it on them over the
rest of the album and save me.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
But you know whatever, I'm looking for something and I
got something.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Okay, all right, cool. Do you have any ideas of
what our next?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I have several ideas, but let's come back after the
break and we'll talk about it. Welcome back to Affirst. Listen,
I mean Andrew and I'm Diamond, and that's Pink Friday Baby.
(54:06):
Some lows and some highs.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, yeah, very nostalgic. We'll just look at that because.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
And I can tend them. But nostalgia is not always good.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
People talk about like, oh my god, nostalgia my favorite
thing ever of a time when my life was better,
and that's supposed to make me feel what about my day?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Oh boy, what are you gonna do? What do you
think we should listen to next? Andrew, do you have
any suggestions.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Okay, So I have a little bit of guilt. We
we've covered the blues, uh tangentially, I guess on the
show I've talked about the blues a lot because we've
done albums by Led Zeppelin, the White Stripes, to artists
(54:59):
that worship the blues, Stevie Wonder, and so maybe it's
time that we actually explore a legitimate blues record, which
is hard to I've really kind of agonized over the
weekend over this decision. The blues is tough because while
(55:21):
it is maybe the most important genre of music ever,
in turn, like especially in the lens of like popular music,
Like all the music that is considered popular music, whether
it's hip hop, funk, heavy metal, rock and roll, pop,
that all has the common ancestor of the blues. And
(55:44):
there's a lot of recorded blues music available. A lot
of it sounds like absolute trash. A lot of it
is like you can really only listen to it almost academically,
and for modern years, when we're accustomed to albums sounding
a certain way, it can be a little bit tough.
(56:06):
So I spent most of yesterday just like cycling through
all these blues artists that I know trying to find
a recording that was that was going to hold up.
And it's also difficult because blues became such a phenomenon
(56:27):
in the late sixties and early seventies, so a lot
of the albums that came out around that time that
are blues albums by blues artists were sort of influenced
by rock and roll. Oh okay, So I think this
record that I'm suggesting would have at the time been
(56:48):
considered actually rhythm and blues. Okay, So we're gonna do
bb King Live at the Regal from nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
As before my parents were born. So maybe I should
make them listen to it with me.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, I mean, it's bb King, the King of the Blues,
as he was known. Elvis was the King of rock
and roll, Michael Jackson the King of pop. BB King
was the King of the blues. He's probably the most
famous blues artist ever ever. He had like a seventy
year career. This was a guy who literally started in
(57:27):
the forties. Insane, that's crazy, Yeah, And I think one
of the reasons BBI was so popular even late in
his life was because he really embraced rock and roll
and embraced collaborating with rock artists who were honored yeah
(57:50):
to be in the same room with him. So this
is a live record by bb King and his band.
I think it sounds really good, especially for the time.
You know, he was a huge artist, so he had,
I guess all the access. I'm not sure if the
version I was listening to was remixed or remastered. It
sounded pretty clean, though, so we'll check it out. It's
(58:12):
only like a thirty five minute record.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
It's got a lot of Bbe's standards tunes that he
would literally go on to play for the rest of
his life. I love that they there's a lot of
like him talking in between songs or like vamping with
the band where he's just like he's super charming and
always had this like fatherly grandfatherly, fun uncle type of vibe.
(58:37):
So I think we're both gonna really enjoy it. You
said on the Metallic episode that you were turning into
a guitar girl.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Maybe, oh yes, And.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
This will be an episode where I'll play a little
guitar to like demonstrate some stuff BB King's playing in
the guitar world. Is some of the most influential feel
that you will ever hear. There are. They're literally like
places on the guitar, on the guitar neck that I
(59:09):
can point to where like this is called the bb kingbox.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Where guitar players when they're learning, they literally learn like
the phrases and the licks that BB King sort of
made popular.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
So cool. Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
So this will be interesting. It is a vocal record.
It's not like a jammy record. This is like Bbe's
from like a show business era. So you're gonna get
like suit and tie, like welcome, welcome to the show
type of vibe here. I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I am excited simply because I really do think that
I met him as a child, and maybe while listening
to this, it'll make me think about when and where
this happened.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
If you can verify this with your parents.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yes, and I'll tell you a little why I think
I met him on the next episode. Okay, Cliffhanger, Babes,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So that's the next episode of that first listen. Thank
you so much for listening, and we'll catch you next time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Bye.
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