April 10, 2025 • 44 mins
Diamond returns to At First Listen to dig into her favorite album of 2024, Sabrina Carpenter's mega-breakthrough Short n' Sweet.
With hits like "Espresso," "Please, Please, Please," "Taste" and "Bed Chem," Short n' Sweet is brimming with personality.
Diamond says there are multiple hits on the album that she's yet to tire of, and she doesn't meet much resistance from Andrew and Dominique.
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(Episode 31.)
With hits like "Espresso," "Please, Please, Please," "Taste" and "Bed Chem," Short n' Sweet is brimming with personality.
Diamond says there are multiple hits on the album that she's yet to tire of, and she doesn't meet much resistance from Andrew and Dominique.
Subscribe so you don't miss an episode of At First Listen!
Tell us about your first listen to Short n' Sweet via Instagram @AtFirstListen podcast!
(Episode 31.)
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and look who came crawling back.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh should we do like a what is it ASMR?
I would like us to now, Hi, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You've been trying to do this episode for a long time.
I think we took you a little bit for granted,
because you are just here and you're putting it off
because like, we don't need an episode. Also, this this
album is not exactly new at all, so we were
not feeling the heat. But eventually we ran out of ideas.
So Diamond, you're back. Well, Hi, filling our content void
(01:00):
for us. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm glad to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, that's what Sabrina Sabrina is all about as well.
So right we're I'm previewing it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You're jumping the gun a little bit. So Diamond, if
you listened to some of our episodes last year and
our like handoff episode, she mentioned Sabrina Carpenter's Short and Sweet,
one of her favorite albums of last year, So today
we're finally covering that record on the show. So Diamond,
(01:29):
first question, what's the deal with this album? Why did
you pick it? Why did you feel so strongly about it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think that the album shocked me, I like to
Sabrina Carpenter, Yeah, right, like to me, I'll look back
on this, or we as a society, maybe we'll look
back at this like, oh, this is a classic pop album.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I was not expecting to like her music as much
as I did at this point when this album came out.
I think we'd heard Espresso, oh Feather, there was probably
one other hit that she had. I think, Please Please
Please came out early too, and Please Please Please I
hate also like I just oh my god, I hate
the damn song so hairing all three of those, I'm like, okay, well,
(02:14):
I like Espresso, I like Feather, will I like this album?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And then you start the album and the first song
is Taste, And how could you not love that? You
guys would appreciate the guitar riff in the beginning, Like,
I'm like, have you ever listened to the instrumental Taste
ten out of ten? So I wanted to give you
guys a taste of that. Oh oh, I didn't even
mean to, like, you're sure?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Wow, that's yeah, that works so well. Actually for that song,
it's like, yes, we still we still I still miss you.
When I'm on the podcast with Andrew, oh you kind
of similar you.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But but Sabrina's status in this pop world, my pen
in this pop world is such it's like people like
us knew about her, Yeah, but it's you're not expecting
her to have a smash hit. She's just sort of
lurking at the end, at the butt end of the
top forty yep. And she's like this cookie cutter Disney
(03:20):
former Disney pop star. There has been literally so many
of those over the years, you don't really expect that much.
And then she gains a little bit of steam with
the Taylor Swift touring with Feathers yep or Feather Feather Feather,
and then she puts out this album that has so
much personality and such a such a sense of humor,
(03:43):
Like it really showed the world how much of a
character she is in addition to being like like a
very conventional, easily like digestible pop star.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And how shady she is. Oh yeah, and the fact
that she will write about you in a song if
she feels away or if you did something to her.
Ten out of ten. I love a gossip session in
an album. I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh that makes it so much more fun as that
we have characters that are in real life.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, do you want to talk about about some of
that right now before we get into the tracks?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Sure, I mean I don't know if you guys know this,
but there was like this big thing between her and
Kamilica Bao over Chan Reguez.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I know about that one. Yes, I knew about
the Olivia Rodriguo'.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Isn't that related to No, that's Kamilica Bay Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, so she was.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
She was in some drama with five feet to five
foot two girls. Yeah, all just just at each other through.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, she was in a little tussle, a little online
tussle with Olivia Rodrigo. But that was like what like
a twenty twenty driver's life that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Looking into that, it seems very invented. It seems like
these are two women who dated the same person and
so they must hate each other.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The Camlica live Roger. Okay, wait, so who did Okay? Wow?
So who did they date?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Okay, So Sabrina and Camilica bo dated sewn mind So
a lot of these are like tastes about them because
she the video, uh, dark haired girl, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
The girl who played Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yes, Wendy Adams. I think another song about I think
Sharpest Tool is about Shawn Mendez as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, I hope it is.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah coincidence is about Shawn Mendez as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And then there's another one.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I think it's dumb and poetic because she talks about
him like he talked about his experience on mushrooms at
one point, and she in the song tried to.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Do like a very back to his root singer songwriter
type of thing where he was performing in like bars
I know, for a while, So that song being about
him would track a little bit. So Sabrina and Olivia
Rodrigo apparently dated some guy named Joshua Bassett. Yes, I
have no idea who.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That is me either, but all the girls know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Apparently apparently ladies love him.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I guess Sabrina, I mean, so, okay, Olivia dated him
first Wednesday or what's her name? Olivia dated him, and
then they broke up and he started dating Sabrina, and
so when she released when Olivia released Driver's License, it
(06:49):
was about him, and I don't know if people were
just like, oh, you know, he's dating this new girl,
blah blah blah. I think she talks about it in
the song, and then Sabrina came back with.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So thing, a song called skin.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, so she came back with that a few years.
It lasted for a while, but I don't think it
was made up. I think it kind of like the
Haley Beaber and Selena Gomez thing, where like it was
real at that moment, the two of them felt a
specific way. They threw shots at each other. But we're
just dragging it a long years later, you know what
(07:24):
I mean, Like they're over it, but we're still doing
shit and talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
It seems like Sabrina and Olivia Rodrigo, that's not been
a thing for literal years.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right now, it's Camilla and Sabrina from it sounds like
she hates her guts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I saw there was like a tweet where Camilla was like,
I want Jenna Ortega to play me if there was
a biopic, and people were like, does she not know
that she already was like that already happened.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I love it, but you know, this whole thing stems
from Shawn Mendez. We gotta start blaming the men. We
have to. Apparently Kamilkabeo wanted back in with Shawn Mendez
once she saw that he was moving on with Sabrina
and then he just like didn't he wasn't honest basically,
and so well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
He's just trying to help these ladies right there. Next album, sure.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and they did four songs about Shawn Mendes on
this album.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
This record is thirty five minutes long.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I'm short and sweet, he's helping. Yeah, I mean, okay, fine.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's true, and he doesn't he doesn't come out looking good.
He's it's basically like he's hot. That's like his good,
which is That's how I always felt about it.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
There is like a very specific like himbo type of dude,
like dumb, handsome guy that Sabrina is referencing on almost
every track on this record.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And then yeah, the other ones are very Cutegan which
I when Please Please Please came out, I was dating
an irishman. Oh and I really related to this song.
So that's why I think, uh yeah, we're gonna have
to tussle on that one.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh all right, so let's let's get into the specific
tracks when we come back from the break. Welcome back
to avers. Listen. I'm Andrew Dominique and we're here with
(09:32):
our guests. Diamond talking about Sabrina Carpenter's Short and Sweet.
So the first track on this album, a song called Taste,
was the first one that Diamond wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
An impression.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean, we are recording the song. I don't know
how you're gonna feel about that, but oh, I leave
quite an impression. I agree with you a great way.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, And I mean I've said this already. The guitar
riff like like, it just feels good.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There's there's so much ear candy on this record. The
mix is beautiful. You can hear that. It's in my
right ear if you're listening on headphones. There's just these little,
uh there's a little guitar riff that sings along with Sabrina.
It's really Greatty.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's so good because it's like, yeah, it's such a
it's so fun sounding and like a whole album of
this would be annoying, but she just gives you a taste.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yes this Okay. So this was released clearly with the album,
but no one had heard it before the album dropped,
and the album came out on the I think like
August twenty something of last summer, and it has stayed.
This song has stayed in my recently played since then. Also,
(11:04):
we have to remember that we played on Z one
hundred fifty thousand times a day. I am still not
sick of the song. I think this is the first
time that this has ever happened to me. I could
listen to this all day. I just love It's fun.
It like lightens the mood, gives you something to laugh
at if you really listen to the lyrics too, like
every time you close your eyes and feeling is if
(11:26):
you're feeling like come on, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
There's like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
She has a very interesting perspective, like she's not writing
the songs of like oh he cheated on me, he
broke up with me, Like there's she's she's expressing a
lot of like frustration with the men in her life,
but she's also sort of hinting that, like it's she's
not all good herself, Like she has flaws too, but
she does it in a very a very personal to
(11:56):
her lens. So she's she's hinting at like I'm a
flawed person as well. But she's not saying like, oh,
I made mistakes. She's like she's being being that yeah,
flawed person, and she's not saying I want him back.
I'm gonna try to take him back. She's not really
even saying like, oh, you're the other girl is bad.
(12:18):
She's just like, hey, that's what that's what went down
while I was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Away, Like she gets a laugh to herself. This is
her type of revenge, which I love too, because she's not,
like you said, she's not dogging anyone. But it's a
cute little ha now people know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Also, I love the strategy of having a great song
to open your album and not releasing it as a single,
so when people actually listen to the album, the first
thing they hear is something new. One of us talked
about this at some point where band's released so many
singles that like when you get the album.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's like there's nothing new on here, like only the
songs are new literally literally yeah no. And then there's
it's like we got the t in it, we got
we got big stars in the in the music video,
and we got plot lines. It's a great opening it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, so and Dominique loves please please please, So we
have to talk about balance.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Are he doesn't stay inside.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Some fashion the ceiling thing is so nice, so good.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So it's like, like I interpret it as she realizes
at some point during this relationship that she's dating a
moron and is embarrassing and it's embarrassing to her, but
she still likes him for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
No, I mean, who does not relate to this, like
what woman? At least? I feel like, you know, we've
all dated that person that your friends are like, you know,
are you going to bring Yeah, Like yeah, they're like,
my song seems good, Like they don't like him. They
don't think he's good for you. They they and you're like,
(14:09):
come on, man, you gotta don't prove please. Yeah. But
and she just always says the thing you don't expect,
you know. It's like she she doesn't have she says
like she's talking directly to him. She's being so sweet.
She's not trying to say like, hey, just stay home,
you're embarrassing. She's like, look how fun it is at home, bab.
(14:32):
It's great if you don't talk about me in public.
I love it and I love him. Yeah, I think
is it the lyrics I love? I think I think
it is. I don't know what other than just like
really relating to it. Why, But it's another It's a song,
(14:54):
like you said, with Taste, where like I can just
keep listening to it over and over again, and I
think the lyrics help that because you're like you keep
hearing those little surprises and with little annie windows and
they're so short. It's just great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And she's done a really I think, a really good
thing with the arrangements on this record, Like especially if
you watch her NPR Tiny Desk concert where it's like
a stripped down band. It's like the album versions of
the songs with the synthesizers, the electric instruments, the guitars
and stuff. They're not so forward that the songs can't
(15:33):
be rearranged easily and stripped down. So it's like this
album is a remix away from being a country album. Yes,
it's like a remix away from being a rock record.
Like it's very comfortably in that pop lane. But it's
not like it's not like a loud Some albums are
just loud, like start to finish, it's just loud, And
(15:54):
this is very like balanced and delicate. You can turn
it up in moments, but it's not it's not really
like overcooked, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, there's there's like a lot of slow songs in sweetness,
but it's not like ballads and it's not anthems.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And please please please. Also, the deluxe edition features Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes, and she says it in a Dolly Parton way.
Instead of saying something naughty about someone's mom, she says,
what does she say like the others?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
The others instead of the MF word. Yeah, all right,
so so that's that's us trying to not swear on
the podcast. Yeah, so this episode no swear, even.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Though Sabrina doesn't care and no, but that's why. Also, yeah,
well for for all of she it's all in the windows,
but there it's so naughty.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's very naughty.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I love that for her.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yes, we love it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I'm trying to think, is this the sexiest album that
we've covered on the podcast, Dominique. I think be between this, Deftones,
diamond I and Doja Katamahala.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, Doja. Yeah, I think it's close for sure. I
think this one, this one is like ver Yeah, this
one is like making love and I mean every Yeah,
I think it's the sexiest. I think Doja is too silly.
(17:23):
You can't have like somebody doing silly jokey jokes all
the time. And you know this is this is like
you're not going to be distracted.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
They focused. So next track is good Graces that Diamond
wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Advice for me.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This is where she's she's not necessarily beating the discount
ariana grande allegations.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, well, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
This is an a song.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's good, it is. She's also just she's just showing
us like I could do that if I wanted to,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, yes, thank god, because it wasn't working for her
back then.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But she found her she found her own lane and
she had that one leftover song.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Maybe then she's like a little fit. Yeah, but it does.
I love this song. In the part I don't give
up about you. We're not cursing, right, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Always the way I do it is if one of
us curses, that's breaking the seal, and then we'll curse freely.
But since we didn't say the word earlier, let's just
try to make it to the end.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Okay, I like this song and I didn't really know why.
I just thought, oh, I like the beat. And then
one day I was singing it in the car with
my cousin and she was like, no, this is you.
Like you're very nice to guys until they do something
that you don't like and you're done, and it like
turns into now I have to like that exactly so
fast it's not then more amazing didn't turn in love.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's a great example of like a line that doesn't
go where you think it's gonna go. Yea, Yeah, she
says amazing, like it's gonna be this like very like
empowering line, and it sort of is, but it's not.
It's in like the way that how vindictive I can be.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yes mood, yeah, very mood. Now this whole album is
like yeah that she's so me for real every Yeah,
very relatable, extremely very And that's that is good point.
That is such a huge feat by a Disney girly.
They are not relatable. Yeah, they're not relatable at all.
(19:35):
Like Ariana is not relatable at all. She's something else.
You're like, you're talented, cool, yeah, over like I don't
I could never you know, where Sabrina like she she
is so relatable for some reason, Like she's this perfect, little,
tiny blonde girl like I could like nobody is like that,
but and like dating Sean Mendez and like movie stars,
(19:58):
but she remains relatable because she's such a talented, like artist.
Is actually why she's like communicating really uniquely personal things
that like, you know, other artists aren't, aren't you know,
maybe brave enough or just like she She says that
(20:19):
like the the innu windows just let her say a
lot of things that most people aren't.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And let's not get it twisted. She says in the song,
I think it's the song that if you f her over,
she'll date your favorite athlete. I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, And there's like there's like some rumor that she
was dating like Barry Kugan's like favorite like some footballer
from one of his.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Good Yeah, because didn't he he cheated on her with
an influence?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Was that what it was? Yeah? Well he also like yeah,
he's just like was always kind of he like cheated
on his wife with her.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Didn't Oh god, I didn't know that part or like.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He left his He's not a good like part like
girls out and get drunk. Anyway, he's catching strays here.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Looking at the track list, it's so funny that the
idea that sharpest tools about Shawnny. But the next one
you want to talk about is coincidence. So again, like
this could so easily be a country song for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yes, and this could be about any of these dudes
that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
She's got oil. Oh but it is?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Is it about Barry?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's about Yeah, she's.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Back in your life.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She's in the same city, on the same like, you know,
I love this, Yeah, I love it. But yeah, apparently
there was a photo paparazzi caught Sean and Sabrina I
think going to a coffee shop, and then after that
photo was released, she claims that Camila started reaching out
(22:12):
wanting to be friends with Sean, and so that's the rumor,
but I believe it, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Ticnically get engaged. Who shades and Camia Cabet.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I don't think so, I know, they bought a house together.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're made for each other. I mean, so let's I mean,
they're both like, you know, not what does she say?
What's the song? They're both not the sharpest tools.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh well, in I don't I don't know. I don't
pay attention to them enough, you know what I mean.
So like all of this stuff, I'm like, oh cool,
I did like my research once. I'm like, while I
was listening to the album, I'm like, I need to
know about all this and there, Yeah, there are like
Twitter threads they're posting the pictures of like things that
(23:00):
were happening and blah blah blah. So I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Even if it's not true. It's fun to put the
puzzle together.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna believe it. This is like
the one thing that I actually.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I want to like.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
This is a fact.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So the next one that you mentioned was bed Kim
and this is my favorite song on the Wow I'm shocked. Yeah,
the white jacket, the production, especially on this chorus, it's
just outrageous. So, as she tells on the NPR Tiny
(23:39):
Desk Concert version of the song, the title of this
was initially meant as like a platonic It came to
her in a platonic sense. She was on like vacation
with like a girlfriend, uh huh, and they were doing
it like slumber party style where they shared a bed
together and she realized that they like both fell asleep
(24:02):
at the same time and they didn't like roll over
and kick each other. So the next day she's like,
we have a really good bed chemistry. And then eventually
romantic partner came along and she felt like they had
really good bed chemistry in the other type of way.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know that you could google and see pictures of
that night.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
When he when they met with her in the sea
t shirt.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And she had on the it's the coolest thing on
the plane. I love that, So.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, come right on me. I mean camaraderie, yeah right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The one thing that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Andrew it's so good because you can't you just don't
hear it. You just miss it unless you're looking for it.
The fact that you're like that, she says. If she
said camaraderie, I mean, come right on me, that would
be like, oh, okay, you're spelling it out for us.
But this you're like, wait, what did she say?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yep, yep, I just have issue with this song the bridge, okay,
and I didn't care about it until it was brought
up to me, and now I can't. No, I love
that part. But when she says, and I bet we
both arrived at the same time. And I bet this
Thermoss is six 's nine, and I bet it's even
(25:19):
better than in my head? Why didn't you say mine?
Why didn't you say mine?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because she wanted to say head?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, but I'm like, and then if you listen to
the ad lived like the run in the background, she's
saying mine. So she's saying mine, yeah, yeah, why it
drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I had to make a few more.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
She's going for that every time.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All right, fine, but that's that's the writing that we're
talking about. That is so that makes this record so interesting.
It's like she's going out of her way to to
uh subliminally influence.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, fine, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay. So because this was your favorite album, you got
a whole six tracks into it before your Favorites ended,
you had nothing beyond track six.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No, no, I have a feel like.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I love how short it is. I listened to it
for eighteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We can okay, So I have espresso. We could skip that.
Oh no, we can't skip Okay, every esso about it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I do like espresso, and this is the reason why.
So well last summer, obviously, espresso is being played in
reference everywhere. We're on a way to uh Down, We're
driving down the turnpike on the way to a Phillies game,
and I was like, you know, I don't think I've
ever actually heard the whole song. And within like ten
minutes it came on the radio. Obviously, I was like, Okay,
(26:45):
turn it up, let's listen to it. And then I
was like, oh, no, I have definitely heard all of that.
I didn't. I didn't realize that the whole song was
just kind of the chorus it run over. But after
you first mentioned that you loved this album so much,
I gave it a listen and the lyrics in the
verses started to pop out at me, and specifically this one.
(27:06):
And I think this is the second.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Verse, isn't see I guess, so I'm working.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
May This is one of the parts that everyone looks
so cute, one of the few lyrics that everyone can
now make him make him laugh so often. Maybe I'm
working late because I'm a singer. Everyone hears that one,
but what comes after is my twisted humor make him
(27:34):
laugh so often. I'm like, okay, she's it sounds less
like a factory made dance song. When you're talking about
how funny you are.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I mean even the chorus. Right, hold on, what
are the lyrics?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Too bad? Your X don't do for you?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, now he's thinking about me every night. Oh isn't
that sweet? I guess so, uh say, you can't leave baby,
you can't sleep, sleep baby. I know it's that me espresso.
Move it up, down, left, right, Oh, switch it up
like a Nintendo like. I'm like, come on, babe, come
on girl. But I do it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I just think it's the like pop star braggy thing
doesn't happen with like I brag about my sense of humor.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And she taught everyone to say espresso.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Properly, properly yea, A lot of people still.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Don't know how to say it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Espresso that bothers me.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I can't. Okay, Well this was our last one.
But you know, I feel like I would love to
bring up slim Pickens.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, that's a full on country so yeah, bring that
up picken Hickens obviously. So we have a guitar.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
We got a pun in the name.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Maybe it's a banjo.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's an instrument that gets picked for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I am not madic just the suns that passed right through.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
On a longer album, this type of song would be
like interminable because the vibe is so different. Yes, but
because you're like, okay, there's jack and there's like ten
minutes left in the album. I can though, I can
try to listen to this and get through it, and
(29:23):
then it ends up being it ends up being good songs.
I'm just saying on a pop album, I hear a
ban Joe, you're over it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's a good I think that's the thing. It's just
a good song. So you're like you it's good. It's like, uh, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
This is if the pop thing doesn't work, maybe I'll
do country fully.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And she's saying she's saying all these like country like moaned,
what what is the thing you'd expect you to say.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Something in fixing.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No Now I can't remember, but but she's like she's
just like she says jacked and kind like what kind
of like she's like, what why why would that be
in like a love song, like I want a guy
who's jacked, Like no, who says that like.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, someone who breathes, who's who's nice and breathes is
one of the lines later, which is also so her
like that she's like, I I.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Really a this boy doesn't even know the difference between
there and they are so good.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
No okay, yeah, Sean, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, probably no,
she's but it's like she's not. She's like doing the
country voice so nice and and like it really it's
feels like authentic that she actually wanted to sing a
(30:54):
song like this and then like the slimpick Ins thing,
the pie in the name, what do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I love it. I love the part where she's like,
uh and since the Lord forgot my gay Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Was like Sabrina okay, Like yeah, girl.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because these guys out here will make you feel like,
well maybe I'm supposed to love a woman or somebody
else because men are not it. They'll make you think that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So I'm like, oh, it was so funny. Yes, there
was like an SNL bit where a comedian was talking
about how like Sabrina is the only artist who nobody
ever there's no like gay room.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah, there's not.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
One person has been like, oh she's queer baiting, maybe
she's gay, Like people say that about Harry styles about
all these people. She goes on stage and makes out
with Jenna Ortega, right, like she makes out with women
pretty often, and she's like not one person, was like
maybe she's by ooh, like never, not one.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
She wants it so bad. She wants it. The Lord
forgot my gayway.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's so funny, so funny. I love it. All.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Right, Well, let's take a break and we'll wrap it
up in the next segment.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And we're back with that first listen.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm Dominique and I'm here with Diamond talking about Sabreena
Carpenter is short and sweet. We need a lot of names.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I feel like that's like part of her thing though, right,
Like you're saying one thing, but you're saying something else
and it doesn't really matter. It's like just if you
just mumble it like short and sweet, you don't have
to you don't have to get it right. You could
just say it. She's certain sweet. She couldn't come up
with a better name.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
She really it's a good album title. And Diamond, to
answer your question that you were talking about during the break,
I do like this album good. And at this point
I've listened to it many times. There have been times
when like I'm on the subway and I'm like looking
at the what track I'm listening to, trying to get
to know it, and I'm like realizing how girly it
(33:16):
is and like kind of covering my phone, like.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I, huh, that's really funny. At some point, all these
songs started messioned together for.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Me, which is weird because it's a very diverse sounding run. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, but but it then but it still flows right,
So like even we were talking about slim Pickens, the
way that that that song flows into Juno effortlessly honestly.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Goes into slim Pickens.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes, and it's just a vibe, Like the vibe changes,
but it's still a vibe.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And those songs are despite their like lower dynamic, slower tempo,
they're short enough that you don't completely lose touch with
the album. That's kind of what I was referring to
the slim Pickens, Like that is a part where this
album could have totally lost me if it was like
most of these pop records are, where they're like an
(34:12):
hour long. If I were to look down and see
where in like track eight and there's twelve more I'd
just be like, I'm not going to bank it.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You're like, no, thank you, I do. It does scare
me a little bit this album, because I'm like, how
do you top this?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Like, and I mean she's released albums before. I think
this is I don't know if this is like her
fourth album or something. She's released a lot of music
in the past, but this is so different from everything
else that she's released that I'm like, well, how do
you continue? Like what do you do next?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah? It's it's also like she doesn't have that fan
base yet, like I'm thinking about like Taylor Swift. She's
like in the Taylor Swift school of pop star, I think,
and that's like part of why this has been so
effective for her. But I don't think people are like
fanatics over her. I mean, I'm sure that people find
(35:06):
every There's all types of people and I'm always surprised,
and there's like probably tailored people who are like also
into yeah, probably and to her, people just like like
being fans of stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I think what she has going for her is that
this album showed so much of her personality that she
doesn't even need to do another album like this year,
next year, she could sort of do what Ariana Grande
did and become an actor.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Again, true, she could. To your point earlier about like
being fans of hers and stuff like her having a
fan base, I didn't think that she had one until
I started seeing footage of her shows. I don't know
the age range, so I'm going to use the term
girl loosely because they could be grown adults like me.
(35:51):
I'm obsessed with her. They're losing their shit over her.
Like she starts the show in a like in a towel,
she opens the towel, and she wears a different sequence
like bodysuit every night. People are going to her shows
with sequence bodysuits on, wrapped in towels. So, like, I
(36:14):
do think you made a really good point about this
could be just like Taylor Swift fans who have fallen
in love with her, you know what I mean? Yeah,
And I don't think she had this fan based before.
I mean, we could be wrong. I agree with you though,
Like maybe people remember her from well this album was
an elevation, but I think it's gonna I think I
think she's out of here.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, so you mentioned the song Juno. Did either of
you get what. That song title is a reference to
Yeah the More.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Hello, what do you think We're going under a rock?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And I didn't know this indie film from two thousand
and seven.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, I saw it when it came out. I was
I'm a huge fan of indie movies back then, and
as a Moldy Peaches fan, which we could talk about,
but we're not going to. Oh wow, Moldy Peaches is
the band who wrote the sound at for Juno.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Wow. You just taught me something.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
So I didn't know this until looking into the album.
The song raised a lot of questions as why is
she saying that and what does she mean by that?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So it's like a little secret with the girl. Yeah, wait,
so you you still haven't seen the movie. No, it's
all it's a really good movie and it should definitely
watch it. I mean it's yeah, it's a little the content, it's.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
A little weird.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's weird.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I didn't know it was an indie movie.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It was like middle I mean it was it was
like it was pretty indie, but then it just blew up.
I feel like kind of Napoleon Dynamite, like one of those.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, okay, So for anyone who doesn't know. It's a
two thousand and seven movie starring Michael Sarah and formerly
Ellen Page.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes, yeah, now Elliot.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Pe Ellen Page at the time getting pregnant by Michael Sarah.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, a teen pregnancy romantic comedy.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah. No. And then there was like all these days
like pregnancy packs that happened apparently, like people were trying
to teen pregnant after this movie came out.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
It was kind of bad, but it was it was yeah,
but it was it was unattended consequences, but it was like, uh, yeah,
there's big stars in it when a.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Jennifer Garner, JK. Simmons, Alison Janney is the is the
mom stepmom. But yeah, so it was like pretty star study.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Oh JK. Simmons and Alison Janey are Ellen Page's parents.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Is that yes, Ellen Page's parents. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And then that Rain Wilson is it apparently?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Oh yeah, he's like a clerk. He's like a he's
like a.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is that like a cameo you think?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, he like works at a store that she goes to.
This is a favorite movie of mine at the time,
and but it's funny. I like just occurs to me.
She's like, make me Juno Juno gives the baby up
for adoption. Okay, it's not like I want to have
(39:05):
your babies. She's saying that she wants I don't know
how to say this. She's she wants to have relations
in the way that would get you pregnant. I think
that's what she's saying.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's a good way.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, thank you Escape artist.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah like that, I really and like I really, God
bless your dad's genetics. Like all of the lives in
that actually like fit that narrative really well, because there's
no point where she's like, I just want to hold
our child together with you. She's like she's not saying.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That at all. She thought more into this than than
I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Saba Carfen, Sabrina.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Like you know, like she was, she was really she
was really like like I didn't think about what you
just said at all. I'm just like, oh, do you
know she wants to have his baby.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right, that's what you think?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, And that's what she always makes you think. Something
she thinks when you think.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
She's gonna say, I love that for her.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah. No, And then even surprising us, I'm not even
gonna mention the name because I don't know what song
it is, but there's one of these last three. It's
not Light of Girls. It's either don't Smile at fifteen minutes.
But it sounds just like it sounds just like a
song from Grease. It reminds me of like a song
that like uh Livia Newton john sang, which yeah, I'm like,
(40:36):
I said, I'm doing a bad job of mentioning it,
but like she real she like kept adding on new
weird like genre mixes like till the very end of
the album. I mean, I was listening to the deluxe version,
so I was getting the extra side hits, which I
don't even know besides Dolly, what's different about it?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Es the deluxe version, there are like three extra songs
like that aren't on the regular track list.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, I know for a fact fifteen minutes is not
on the the original.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh oh, Andrew tricked us. Oh big mistake, yolo huge, huge,
exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I guess to wrap it up this debut at number
one when a Grammy for Best Pop Vocal Album.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Which is what I said it was gonna win.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Do you remember I remember?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Espresso only pickd At number three on the US charts,
but it was number one globally and please please please
hit number one on the US singles.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Justice Justice for Espresso though, because I know Feather was
still number one when Espresso made its way up, and
then please please please passed it so like I think
it could have gotten there if she wouldn't have you
get diluted if you have multiple songs.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm waiting for the for then espresso,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Line Yeah, like what I like George Clooney, where are you?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
That's what I'm saying. They must be just in talks.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Ye maybe yeah, it's maybe perd I'm sure. But have
you guys tried the Duncan uh a deal with? Okay, well,
she has the the Sabrina Carpenter basically shaken espresso drink,
which I heard is so good. But to me, it
makes me feel like it's going to be held out
(42:27):
for those.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Of Duncan until they sponsor us, exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I'm waiting for that Duncan. Okay, my emails, I'll.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Tell you what I could go for as a munchkin,
just like Sabrina.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Don't call her that, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh no, what's the proper word, adult woman, all these
terms these days. I know, all right, Diamond, what do
you want to add? I know you have to get
back to your job, right.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, but I had a great time. I had a
great time, so nice. Say thank you guys for having me.
Thank you, and keep listening to this album.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, I will thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I want to hear the deluxe edition bonus tracks.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I got to get to those. That was our first listen,
kind of We listened to it a bunch of times,
but that was our official first listen. To tell us
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Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Andrew, I'm Dominique, and look who came crawling back.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh should we do like a what is it ASMR?
I would like us to now, Hi, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You've been trying to do this episode for a long time.
I think we took you a little bit for granted,
because you are just here and you're putting it off
because like, we don't need an episode. Also, this this
album is not exactly new at all, so we were
not feeling the heat. But eventually we ran out of ideas.
So Diamond, you're back. Well, Hi, filling our content void
(01:00):
for us. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm glad to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, that's what Sabrina Sabrina is all about as well.
So right we're I'm previewing it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You're jumping the gun a little bit. So Diamond, if
you listened to some of our episodes last year and
our like handoff episode, she mentioned Sabrina Carpenter's Short and Sweet,
one of her favorite albums of last year, So today
we're finally covering that record on the show. So Diamond,
(01:29):
first question, what's the deal with this album? Why did
you pick it? Why did you feel so strongly about it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think that the album shocked me, I like to
Sabrina Carpenter, Yeah, right, like to me, I'll look back
on this, or we as a society, maybe we'll look
back at this like, oh, this is a classic pop album.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I was not expecting to like her music as much
as I did at this point when this album came out.
I think we'd heard Espresso, oh Feather, there was probably
one other hit that she had. I think, Please Please
Please came out early too, and Please Please Please I
hate also like I just oh my god, I hate
the damn song so hairing all three of those, I'm like, okay, well,
(02:14):
I like Espresso, I like Feather, will I like this album?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And then you start the album and the first song
is Taste, And how could you not love that? You
guys would appreciate the guitar riff in the beginning, Like,
I'm like, have you ever listened to the instrumental Taste
ten out of ten? So I wanted to give you
guys a taste of that. Oh oh, I didn't even
mean to, like, you're sure?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Wow, that's yeah, that works so well. Actually for that song,
it's like, yes, we still we still I still miss you.
When I'm on the podcast with Andrew, oh you kind
of similar you.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But but Sabrina's status in this pop world, my pen
in this pop world is such it's like people like
us knew about her, Yeah, but it's you're not expecting
her to have a smash hit. She's just sort of
lurking at the end, at the butt end of the
top forty yep. And she's like this cookie cutter Disney
(03:20):
former Disney pop star. There has been literally so many
of those over the years, you don't really expect that much.
And then she gains a little bit of steam with
the Taylor Swift touring with Feathers yep or Feather Feather Feather,
and then she puts out this album that has so
much personality and such a such a sense of humor,
(03:43):
Like it really showed the world how much of a
character she is in addition to being like like a
very conventional, easily like digestible pop star.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And how shady she is. Oh yeah, and the fact
that she will write about you in a song if
she feels away or if you did something to her.
Ten out of ten. I love a gossip session in
an album. I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh that makes it so much more fun as that
we have characters that are in real life.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, do you want to talk about about some of
that right now before we get into the tracks?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Sure, I mean I don't know if you guys know this,
but there was like this big thing between her and
Kamilica Bao over Chan Reguez.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I know about that one. Yes, I knew about
the Olivia Rodriguo'.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Isn't that related to No, that's Kamilica Bay Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, so she was.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
She was in some drama with five feet to five
foot two girls. Yeah, all just just at each other through.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, she was in a little tussle, a little online
tussle with Olivia Rodrigo. But that was like what like
a twenty twenty driver's life that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Looking into that, it seems very invented. It seems like
these are two women who dated the same person and
so they must hate each other.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The Camlica live Roger. Okay, wait, so who did Okay? Wow?
So who did they date?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Okay, So Sabrina and Camilica bo dated sewn mind So
a lot of these are like tastes about them because
she the video, uh, dark haired girl, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
The girl who played Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yes, Wendy Adams. I think another song about I think
Sharpest Tool is about Shawn Mendez as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, I hope it is.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah coincidence is about Shawn Mendez as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And then there's another one.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I think it's dumb and poetic because she talks about
him like he talked about his experience on mushrooms at
one point, and she in the song tried to.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Do like a very back to his root singer songwriter
type of thing where he was performing in like bars
I know, for a while, So that song being about
him would track a little bit. So Sabrina and Olivia
Rodrigo apparently dated some guy named Joshua Bassett. Yes, I
have no idea who.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That is me either, but all the girls know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Apparently apparently ladies love him.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I guess Sabrina, I mean, so, okay, Olivia dated him
first Wednesday or what's her name? Olivia dated him, and
then they broke up and he started dating Sabrina, and
so when she released when Olivia released Driver's License, it
(06:49):
was about him, and I don't know if people were
just like, oh, you know, he's dating this new girl,
blah blah blah. I think she talks about it in
the song, and then Sabrina came back with.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So thing, a song called skin.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, so she came back with that a few years.
It lasted for a while, but I don't think it
was made up. I think it kind of like the
Haley Beaber and Selena Gomez thing, where like it was
real at that moment, the two of them felt a
specific way. They threw shots at each other. But we're
just dragging it a long years later, you know what
(07:24):
I mean, Like they're over it, but we're still doing
shit and talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
It seems like Sabrina and Olivia Rodrigo, that's not been
a thing for literal years.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right now, it's Camilla and Sabrina from it sounds like
she hates her guts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I saw there was like a tweet where Camilla was like,
I want Jenna Ortega to play me if there was
a biopic, and people were like, does she not know
that she already was like that already happened.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I love it, but you know, this whole thing stems
from Shawn Mendez. We gotta start blaming the men. We
have to. Apparently Kamilkabeo wanted back in with Shawn Mendez
once she saw that he was moving on with Sabrina
and then he just like didn't he wasn't honest basically,
and so well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
He's just trying to help these ladies right there. Next album, sure.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and they did four songs about Shawn Mendes on
this album.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
This record is thirty five minutes long.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I'm short and sweet, he's helping. Yeah, I mean, okay, fine.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's true, and he doesn't he doesn't come out looking good.
He's it's basically like he's hot. That's like his good,
which is That's how I always felt about it.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
There is like a very specific like himbo type of dude,
like dumb, handsome guy that Sabrina is referencing on almost
every track on this record.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And then yeah, the other ones are very Cutegan which
I when Please Please Please came out, I was dating
an irishman. Oh and I really related to this song.
So that's why I think, uh yeah, we're gonna have
to tussle on that one.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh all right, so let's let's get into the specific
tracks when we come back from the break. Welcome back
to avers. Listen. I'm Andrew Dominique and we're here with
(09:32):
our guests. Diamond talking about Sabrina Carpenter's Short and Sweet.
So the first track on this album, a song called Taste,
was the first one that Diamond wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
An impression.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean, we are recording the song. I don't know
how you're gonna feel about that, but oh, I leave
quite an impression. I agree with you a great way.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, And I mean I've said this already. The guitar
riff like like, it just feels good.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There's there's so much ear candy on this record. The
mix is beautiful. You can hear that. It's in my
right ear if you're listening on headphones. There's just these little,
uh there's a little guitar riff that sings along with Sabrina.
It's really Greatty.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's so good because it's like, yeah, it's such a
it's so fun sounding and like a whole album of
this would be annoying, but she just gives you a taste.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yes this Okay. So this was released clearly with the album,
but no one had heard it before the album dropped,
and the album came out on the I think like
August twenty something of last summer, and it has stayed.
This song has stayed in my recently played since then. Also,
(11:04):
we have to remember that we played on Z one
hundred fifty thousand times a day. I am still not
sick of the song. I think this is the first
time that this has ever happened to me. I could
listen to this all day. I just love It's fun.
It like lightens the mood, gives you something to laugh
at if you really listen to the lyrics too, like
every time you close your eyes and feeling is if
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you're feeling like come on, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
There's like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
She has a very interesting perspective, like she's not writing
the songs of like oh he cheated on me, he
broke up with me, Like there's she's she's expressing a
lot of like frustration with the men in her life,
but she's also sort of hinting that, like it's she's
not all good herself, Like she has flaws too, but
she does it in a very a very personal to
(11:56):
her lens. So she's she's hinting at like I'm a
flawed person as well. But she's not saying like, oh,
I made mistakes. She's like she's being being that yeah,
flawed person, and she's not saying I want him back.
I'm gonna try to take him back. She's not really
even saying like, oh, you're the other girl is bad.
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She's just like, hey, that's what that's what went down
while I was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Away, Like she gets a laugh to herself. This is
her type of revenge, which I love too, because she's not,
like you said, she's not dogging anyone. But it's a
cute little ha now people know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Also, I love the strategy of having a great song
to open your album and not releasing it as a single,
so when people actually listen to the album, the first
thing they hear is something new. One of us talked
about this at some point where band's released so many
singles that like when you get the album.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's like there's nothing new on here, like only the
songs are new literally literally yeah no. And then there's
it's like we got the t in it, we got
we got big stars in the in the music video,
and we got plot lines. It's a great opening it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, so and Dominique loves please please please, So we
have to talk about balance.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Are he doesn't stay inside.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Some fashion the ceiling thing is so nice, so good.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So it's like, like I interpret it as she realizes
at some point during this relationship that she's dating a
moron and is embarrassing and it's embarrassing to her, but
she still likes him for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
No, I mean, who does not relate to this, like
what woman? At least? I feel like, you know, we've
all dated that person that your friends are like, you know,
are you going to bring Yeah, Like yeah, they're like,
my song seems good, Like they don't like him. They
don't think he's good for you. They they and you're like,
(14:09):
come on, man, you gotta don't prove please. Yeah. But
and she just always says the thing you don't expect,
you know. It's like she she doesn't have she says
like she's talking directly to him. She's being so sweet.
She's not trying to say like, hey, just stay home,
you're embarrassing. She's like, look how fun it is at home, bab.
(14:32):
It's great if you don't talk about me in public.
I love it and I love him. Yeah, I think
is it the lyrics I love? I think I think
it is. I don't know what other than just like
really relating to it. Why, But it's another It's a song,
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like you said, with Taste, where like I can just
keep listening to it over and over again, and I
think the lyrics help that because you're like you keep
hearing those little surprises and with little annie windows and
they're so short. It's just great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And she's done a really I think, a really good
thing with the arrangements on this record, Like especially if
you watch her NPR Tiny Desk concert where it's like
a stripped down band. It's like the album versions of
the songs with the synthesizers, the electric instruments, the guitars
and stuff. They're not so forward that the songs can't
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be rearranged easily and stripped down. So it's like this
album is a remix away from being a country album. Yes,
it's like a remix away from being a rock record.
Like it's very comfortably in that pop lane. But it's
not like it's not like a loud Some albums are
just loud, like start to finish, it's just loud, And
(15:54):
this is very like balanced and delicate. You can turn
it up in moments, but it's not it's not really
like overcooked, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, there's there's like a lot of slow songs in sweetness,
but it's not like ballads and it's not anthems.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And please please please. Also, the deluxe edition features Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes, and she says it in a Dolly Parton way.
Instead of saying something naughty about someone's mom, she says,
what does she say like the others?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
The others instead of the MF word. Yeah, all right,
so so that's that's us trying to not swear on
the podcast. Yeah, so this episode no swear, even.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Though Sabrina doesn't care and no, but that's why. Also, yeah,
well for for all of she it's all in the windows,
but there it's so naughty.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's very naughty.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I love that for her.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yes, we love it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I'm trying to think, is this the sexiest album that
we've covered on the podcast, Dominique. I think be between this, Deftones,
diamond I and Doja Katamahala.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, Doja. Yeah, I think it's close for sure. I
think this one, this one is like ver Yeah, this
one is like making love and I mean every Yeah,
I think it's the sexiest. I think Doja is too silly.
(17:23):
You can't have like somebody doing silly jokey jokes all
the time. And you know this is this is like
you're not going to be distracted.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
They focused. So next track is good Graces that Diamond
wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Advice for me.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This is where she's she's not necessarily beating the discount
ariana grande allegations.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, well, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
This is an a song.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's good, it is. She's also just she's just showing
us like I could do that if I wanted to,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, yes, thank god, because it wasn't working for her
back then.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But she found her she found her own lane and
she had that one leftover song.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Maybe then she's like a little fit. Yeah, but it does.
I love this song. In the part I don't give
up about you. We're not cursing, right, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Always the way I do it is if one of
us curses, that's breaking the seal, and then we'll curse freely.
But since we didn't say the word earlier, let's just
try to make it to the end.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Okay, I like this song and I didn't really know why.
I just thought, oh, I like the beat. And then
one day I was singing it in the car with
my cousin and she was like, no, this is you.
Like you're very nice to guys until they do something
that you don't like and you're done, and it like
turns into now I have to like that exactly so
fast it's not then more amazing didn't turn in love.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's a great example of like a line that doesn't
go where you think it's gonna go. Yea, Yeah, she
says amazing, like it's gonna be this like very like
empowering line, and it sort of is, but it's not.
It's in like the way that how vindictive I can be.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yes mood, yeah, very mood. Now this whole album is
like yeah that she's so me for real every Yeah,
very relatable, extremely very And that's that is good point.
That is such a huge feat by a Disney girly.
They are not relatable. Yeah, they're not relatable at all.
(19:35):
Like Ariana is not relatable at all. She's something else.
You're like, you're talented, cool, yeah, over like I don't
I could never you know, where Sabrina like she she
is so relatable for some reason, Like she's this perfect, little,
tiny blonde girl like I could like nobody is like that,
but and like dating Sean Mendez and like movie stars,
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but she remains relatable because she's such a talented, like artist.
Is actually why she's like communicating really uniquely personal things
that like, you know, other artists aren't, aren't you know,
maybe brave enough or just like she She says that
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like the the innu windows just let her say a
lot of things that most people aren't.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And let's not get it twisted. She says in the song,
I think it's the song that if you f her over,
she'll date your favorite athlete. I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, And there's like there's like some rumor that she
was dating like Barry Kugan's like favorite like some footballer
from one of his.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Good Yeah, because didn't he he cheated on her with
an influence?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Was that what it was? Yeah? Well he also like yeah,
he's just like was always kind of he like cheated
on his wife with her.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Didn't Oh god, I didn't know that part or like.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He left his He's not a good like part like
girls out and get drunk. Anyway, he's catching strays here.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Looking at the track list, it's so funny that the
idea that sharpest tools about Shawnny. But the next one
you want to talk about is coincidence. So again, like
this could so easily be a country song for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yes, and this could be about any of these dudes
that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
She's got oil. Oh but it is?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Is it about Barry?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's about Yeah, she's.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Back in your life.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She's in the same city, on the same like, you know,
I love this, Yeah, I love it. But yeah, apparently
there was a photo paparazzi caught Sean and Sabrina I
think going to a coffee shop, and then after that
photo was released, she claims that Camila started reaching out
(22:12):
wanting to be friends with Sean, and so that's the rumor,
but I believe it, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Ticnically get engaged. Who shades and Camia Cabet.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I don't think so, I know, they bought a house together.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're made for each other. I mean, so let's I mean,
they're both like, you know, not what does she say?
What's the song? They're both not the sharpest tools.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh well, in I don't I don't know. I don't
pay attention to them enough, you know what I mean.
So like all of this stuff, I'm like, oh cool,
I did like my research once. I'm like, while I
was listening to the album, I'm like, I need to
know about all this and there, Yeah, there are like
Twitter threads they're posting the pictures of like things that
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were happening and blah blah blah. So I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Even if it's not true. It's fun to put the
puzzle together.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna believe it. This is like
the one thing that I actually.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I want to like.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
This is a fact.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So the next one that you mentioned was bed Kim
and this is my favorite song on the Wow I'm shocked. Yeah,
the white jacket, the production, especially on this chorus, it's
just outrageous. So, as she tells on the NPR Tiny
(23:39):
Desk Concert version of the song, the title of this
was initially meant as like a platonic It came to
her in a platonic sense. She was on like vacation
with like a girlfriend, uh huh, and they were doing
it like slumber party style where they shared a bed
together and she realized that they like both fell asleep
(24:02):
at the same time and they didn't like roll over
and kick each other. So the next day she's like,
we have a really good bed chemistry. And then eventually
romantic partner came along and she felt like they had
really good bed chemistry in the other type of way.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know that you could google and see pictures of
that night.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
When he when they met with her in the sea
t shirt.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And she had on the it's the coolest thing on
the plane. I love that, So.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, come right on me. I mean camaraderie, yeah right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The one thing that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Andrew it's so good because you can't you just don't
hear it. You just miss it unless you're looking for it.
The fact that you're like that, she says. If she
said camaraderie, I mean, come right on me, that would
be like, oh, okay, you're spelling it out for us.
But this you're like, wait, what did she say?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yep, yep, I just have issue with this song the bridge, okay,
and I didn't care about it until it was brought
up to me, and now I can't. No, I love
that part. But when she says, and I bet we
both arrived at the same time. And I bet this
Thermoss is six 's nine, and I bet it's even
(25:19):
better than in my head? Why didn't you say mine?
Why didn't you say mine?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because she wanted to say head?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, but I'm like, and then if you listen to
the ad lived like the run in the background, she's
saying mine. So she's saying mine, yeah, yeah, why it
drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I had to make a few more.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
She's going for that every time.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All right, fine, but that's that's the writing that we're
talking about. That is so that makes this record so interesting.
It's like she's going out of her way to to
uh subliminally influence.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, fine, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay. So because this was your favorite album, you got
a whole six tracks into it before your Favorites ended,
you had nothing beyond track six.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No, no, I have a feel like.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I love how short it is. I listened to it
for eighteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We can okay, So I have espresso. We could skip that.
Oh no, we can't skip Okay, every esso about it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I do like espresso, and this is the reason why.
So well last summer, obviously, espresso is being played in
reference everywhere. We're on a way to uh Down, We're
driving down the turnpike on the way to a Phillies game,
and I was like, you know, I don't think I've
ever actually heard the whole song. And within like ten
minutes it came on the radio. Obviously, I was like, Okay,
(26:45):
turn it up, let's listen to it. And then I
was like, oh, no, I have definitely heard all of that.
I didn't. I didn't realize that the whole song was
just kind of the chorus it run over. But after
you first mentioned that you loved this album so much,
I gave it a listen and the lyrics in the
verses started to pop out at me, and specifically this one.
(27:06):
And I think this is the second.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Verse, isn't see I guess, so I'm working.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
May This is one of the parts that everyone looks
so cute, one of the few lyrics that everyone can
now make him make him laugh so often. Maybe I'm
working late because I'm a singer. Everyone hears that one,
but what comes after is my twisted humor make him
(27:34):
laugh so often. I'm like, okay, she's it sounds less
like a factory made dance song. When you're talking about
how funny you are.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I mean even the chorus. Right, hold on, what
are the lyrics?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Too bad? Your X don't do for you?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, now he's thinking about me every night. Oh isn't
that sweet? I guess so, uh say, you can't leave baby,
you can't sleep, sleep baby. I know it's that me espresso.
Move it up, down, left, right, Oh, switch it up
like a Nintendo like. I'm like, come on, babe, come
on girl. But I do it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I just think it's the like pop star braggy thing
doesn't happen with like I brag about my sense of humor.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And she taught everyone to say espresso.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Properly, properly yea, A lot of people still.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Don't know how to say it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Espresso that bothers me.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I can't. Okay, Well this was our last one.
But you know, I feel like I would love to
bring up slim Pickens.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, that's a full on country so yeah, bring that
up picken Hickens obviously. So we have a guitar.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
We got a pun in the name.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Maybe it's a banjo.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's an instrument that gets picked for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I am not madic just the suns that passed right through.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
On a longer album, this type of song would be
like interminable because the vibe is so different. Yes, but
because you're like, okay, there's jack and there's like ten
minutes left in the album. I can though, I can
try to listen to this and get through it, and
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then it ends up being it ends up being good songs.
I'm just saying on a pop album, I hear a
ban Joe, you're over it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's a good I think that's the thing. It's just
a good song. So you're like you it's good. It's like, uh, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
This is if the pop thing doesn't work, maybe I'll
do country fully.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And she's saying she's saying all these like country like moaned,
what what is the thing you'd expect you to say.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Something in fixing.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No Now I can't remember, but but she's like she's
just like she says jacked and kind like what kind
of like she's like, what why why would that be
in like a love song, like I want a guy
who's jacked, Like no, who says that like.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, someone who breathes, who's who's nice and breathes is
one of the lines later, which is also so her
like that she's like, I I.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Really a this boy doesn't even know the difference between
there and they are so good.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
No okay, yeah, Sean, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, probably no,
she's but it's like she's not. She's like doing the
country voice so nice and and like it really it's
feels like authentic that she actually wanted to sing a
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song like this and then like the slimpick Ins thing,
the pie in the name, what do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I love it. I love the part where she's like,
uh and since the Lord forgot my gay Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Was like Sabrina okay, Like yeah, girl.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because these guys out here will make you feel like,
well maybe I'm supposed to love a woman or somebody
else because men are not it. They'll make you think that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So I'm like, oh, it was so funny. Yes, there
was like an SNL bit where a comedian was talking
about how like Sabrina is the only artist who nobody
ever there's no like gay room.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah, there's not.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
One person has been like, oh she's queer baiting, maybe
she's gay, Like people say that about Harry styles about
all these people. She goes on stage and makes out
with Jenna Ortega, right, like she makes out with women
pretty often, and she's like not one person, was like
maybe she's by ooh, like never, not one.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
She wants it so bad. She wants it. The Lord
forgot my gayway.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's so funny, so funny. I love it. All.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Right, Well, let's take a break and we'll wrap it
up in the next segment.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And we're back with that first listen.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm Dominique and I'm here with Diamond talking about Sabreena
Carpenter is short and sweet. We need a lot of names.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I feel like that's like part of her thing though, right,
Like you're saying one thing, but you're saying something else
and it doesn't really matter. It's like just if you
just mumble it like short and sweet, you don't have
to you don't have to get it right. You could
just say it. She's certain sweet. She couldn't come up
with a better name.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
She really it's a good album title. And Diamond, to
answer your question that you were talking about during the break,
I do like this album good. And at this point
I've listened to it many times. There have been times
when like I'm on the subway and I'm like looking
at the what track I'm listening to, trying to get
to know it, and I'm like realizing how girly it
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is and like kind of covering my phone, like.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I, huh, that's really funny. At some point, all these
songs started messioned together for.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Me, which is weird because it's a very diverse sounding run. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, but but it then but it still flows right,
So like even we were talking about slim Pickens, the
way that that that song flows into Juno effortlessly honestly.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Goes into slim Pickens.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes, and it's just a vibe, Like the vibe changes,
but it's still a vibe.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And those songs are despite their like lower dynamic, slower tempo,
they're short enough that you don't completely lose touch with
the album. That's kind of what I was referring to
the slim Pickens, Like that is a part where this
album could have totally lost me if it was like
most of these pop records are, where they're like an
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hour long. If I were to look down and see
where in like track eight and there's twelve more I'd
just be like, I'm not going to bank it.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You're like, no, thank you, I do. It does scare
me a little bit this album, because I'm like, how
do you top this?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Like, and I mean she's released albums before. I think
this is I don't know if this is like her
fourth album or something. She's released a lot of music
in the past, but this is so different from everything
else that she's released that I'm like, well, how do
you continue? Like what do you do next?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah? It's it's also like she doesn't have that fan
base yet, like I'm thinking about like Taylor Swift. She's
like in the Taylor Swift school of pop star, I think,
and that's like part of why this has been so
effective for her. But I don't think people are like
fanatics over her. I mean, I'm sure that people find
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every There's all types of people and I'm always surprised,
and there's like probably tailored people who are like also
into yeah, probably and to her, people just like like
being fans of stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I think what she has going for her is that
this album showed so much of her personality that she
doesn't even need to do another album like this year,
next year, she could sort of do what Ariana Grande
did and become an actor.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Again, true, she could. To your point earlier about like
being fans of hers and stuff like her having a
fan base, I didn't think that she had one until
I started seeing footage of her shows. I don't know
the age range, so I'm going to use the term
girl loosely because they could be grown adults like me.
(35:51):
I'm obsessed with her. They're losing their shit over her.
Like she starts the show in a like in a towel,
she opens the towel, and she wears a different sequence
like bodysuit every night. People are going to her shows
with sequence bodysuits on, wrapped in towels. So, like, I
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do think you made a really good point about this
could be just like Taylor Swift fans who have fallen
in love with her, you know what I mean? Yeah,
And I don't think she had this fan based before.
I mean, we could be wrong. I agree with you though,
Like maybe people remember her from well this album was
an elevation, but I think it's gonna I think I
think she's out of here.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, so you mentioned the song Juno. Did either of
you get what. That song title is a reference to
Yeah the More.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Hello, what do you think We're going under a rock?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And I didn't know this indie film from two thousand
and seven.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, I saw it when it came out. I was
I'm a huge fan of indie movies back then, and
as a Moldy Peaches fan, which we could talk about,
but we're not going to. Oh wow, Moldy Peaches is
the band who wrote the sound at for Juno.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Wow. You just taught me something.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
So I didn't know this until looking into the album.
The song raised a lot of questions as why is
she saying that and what does she mean by that?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So it's like a little secret with the girl. Yeah, wait,
so you you still haven't seen the movie. No, it's
all it's a really good movie and it should definitely
watch it. I mean it's yeah, it's a little the content, it's.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
A little weird.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's weird.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I didn't know it was an indie movie.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It was like middle I mean it was it was
like it was pretty indie, but then it just blew up.
I feel like kind of Napoleon Dynamite, like one of those.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, okay, So for anyone who doesn't know. It's a
two thousand and seven movie starring Michael Sarah and formerly
Ellen Page.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes, yeah, now Elliot.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Pe Ellen Page at the time getting pregnant by Michael Sarah.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, a teen pregnancy romantic comedy.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah. No. And then there was like all these days
like pregnancy packs that happened apparently, like people were trying
to teen pregnant after this movie came out.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
It was kind of bad, but it was it was yeah,
but it was it was unattended consequences, but it was like, uh, yeah,
there's big stars in it when a.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Jennifer Garner, JK. Simmons, Alison Janney is the is the
mom stepmom. But yeah, so it was like pretty star study.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Oh JK. Simmons and Alison Janey are Ellen Page's parents.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Is that yes, Ellen Page's parents. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And then that Rain Wilson is it apparently?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Oh yeah, he's like a clerk. He's like a he's
like a.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is that like a cameo you think?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, he like works at a store that she goes to.
This is a favorite movie of mine at the time,
and but it's funny. I like just occurs to me.
She's like, make me Juno Juno gives the baby up
for adoption. Okay, it's not like I want to have
(39:05):
your babies. She's saying that she wants I don't know
how to say this. She's she wants to have relations
in the way that would get you pregnant. I think
that's what she's saying.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's a good way.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, thank you Escape artist.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah like that, I really and like I really, God
bless your dad's genetics. Like all of the lives in
that actually like fit that narrative really well, because there's
no point where she's like, I just want to hold
our child together with you. She's like she's not saying.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That at all. She thought more into this than than
I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Saba Carfen, Sabrina.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Like you know, like she was, she was really she
was really like like I didn't think about what you
just said at all. I'm just like, oh, do you
know she wants to have his baby.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right, that's what you think?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, And that's what she always makes you think. Something
she thinks when you think.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
She's gonna say, I love that for her.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah. No, And then even surprising us, I'm not even
gonna mention the name because I don't know what song
it is, but there's one of these last three. It's
not Light of Girls. It's either don't Smile at fifteen minutes.
But it sounds just like it sounds just like a
song from Grease. It reminds me of like a song
that like uh Livia Newton john sang, which yeah, I'm like,
(40:36):
I said, I'm doing a bad job of mentioning it,
but like she real she like kept adding on new
weird like genre mixes like till the very end of
the album. I mean, I was listening to the deluxe version,
so I was getting the extra side hits, which I
don't even know besides Dolly, what's different about it?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Es the deluxe version, there are like three extra songs
like that aren't on the regular track list.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, I know for a fact fifteen minutes is not
on the the original.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh oh, Andrew tricked us. Oh big mistake, yolo huge, huge,
exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I guess to wrap it up this debut at number
one when a Grammy for Best Pop Vocal Album.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Which is what I said it was gonna win.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Do you remember I remember?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Espresso only pickd At number three on the US charts,
but it was number one globally and please please please
hit number one on the US singles.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Justice Justice for Espresso though, because I know Feather was
still number one when Espresso made its way up, and
then please please please passed it so like I think
it could have gotten there if she wouldn't have you
get diluted if you have multiple songs.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm waiting for the for then espresso,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Line Yeah, like what I like George Clooney, where are you?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
That's what I'm saying. They must be just in talks.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Ye maybe yeah, it's maybe perd I'm sure. But have
you guys tried the Duncan uh a deal with? Okay, well,
she has the the Sabrina Carpenter basically shaken espresso drink,
which I heard is so good. But to me, it
makes me feel like it's going to be held out
(42:27):
for those.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Of Duncan until they sponsor us, exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I'm waiting for that Duncan. Okay, my emails, I'll.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Tell you what I could go for as a munchkin,
just like Sabrina.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Don't call her that, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh no, what's the proper word, adult woman, all these
terms these days. I know, all right, Diamond, what do
you want to add? I know you have to get
back to your job, right.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, but I had a great time. I had a
great time, so nice. Say thank you guys for having me.
Thank you, and keep listening to this album.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, I will thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I want to hear the deluxe edition bonus tracks.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I got to get to those. That was our first listen,
kind of We listened to it a bunch of times,
but that was our official first listen. To tell us
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