February 18, 2025 • 18 mins
Talkin’ ‘Tok - Introducing our new series looking a social media’s latest viral songs.
In this first edition, we discuss the power of short form user-created social media content and then take a look at the song “Peggy” by viral lesbian financial dominatrix Ceechynaa.
Dominique interprets some of the most perplexing British slang in Ceechynaa's lyrics and explains how users are appropriating "Peggy" in their own content, and why they might be relating to the song. Andrew thinks of something nice to say before politely considering Ceechynaa's economic stances: is "Peggy" a metaphor for socialism?
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In this first edition, we discuss the power of short form user-created social media content and then take a look at the song “Peggy” by viral lesbian financial dominatrix Ceechynaa.
Dominique interprets some of the most perplexing British slang in Ceechynaa's lyrics and explains how users are appropriating "Peggy" in their own content, and why they might be relating to the song. Andrew thinks of something nice to say before politely considering Ceechynaa's economic stances: is "Peggy" a metaphor for socialism?
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to apprist. Listen, this is going to be one
of our talk and Talk episodes. We're we're going to
talk about some viral songs.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's not a good introp I like the talk and talk.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Talking talk, talking talk, so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I want us to I want us to be uh
pull in from the ultra current what's happening in music.
I think that it's really cool that we can tie
different generations of music, like into the into this discourse.
I think that's a cool thing to do, and I
love the clock app. Okay, okay. First of all, we
(00:56):
have to talk about the actual application of TikTok because
it is irrelevant now more than ever. This is post
ban post bringing it back. Short Form user made content
is a genre that transcends a single app. Really all
(01:22):
like user made content. A lot of tiktoks that are
made on the TikTok app are like just brought onto Reels,
and that's like what Reels was for a while. I
don't really like to rep these brands too much. Not
like TikTok is going to be affected by there they're yeah,
(01:43):
they are gonna be hyped up, but like I think
that it's just short form content. At this point, we'll
figure out a way to call it. But the viralness
because there's so many cool things about these apps, the
fact that you can find so much cool stuff on
there that you would have never found. And and it's
(02:04):
because some cool person made a thing that you would like.
And this app has magical wizards. I'm pretty sure that's
algorithm is algorithm is just a name of a wizard.
That's what I heard, so to like to connect you
with that, and it's a cool thing. So that's where
I find a lot of music that I enjoy these days,
(02:28):
even like if I didn't need TikTok, or I didn't
because I'm mainly on reels. I'm being honest lately because
the TikTok drama was too much for me.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But it took a lot out of all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, And that is the it's crazy because it
kind of is the biggest, one of the biggest things
that's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like I was gonna make a joke about like.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And that's the that is the biggest, most important thing
that we need to be talking about right now in
twenty twenty five in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That was weird, That was really weird.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
When it got banned for twelve hours or whatever, that
was not a good vibe.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Every creator on every platform was like, oh my god,
we are so broken up about this. Everyone had to
screenshot the little message oh yeah, and been like, guys,
what do you think about this? Yes, like in comment and.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Somescribe exactly on reels and Red Note, which I did download.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I downloaded it. I was like, this shit is not
going to happen. The other app is not going away.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But I I, well, I'm of the mind that I'd
rather have checks and balances in my who my overlords
are or looking at all my data. Sure, I don't
want it to be just you know, United States government.
Let's get China in there too, right, Let's get let's
(04:07):
get the you know, the Ais are doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I figure that whatever privacy violations that the TikTok company
was guilty of, the Red Note company was also guilty of. Yeah,
and probably Meta is also guilty of.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Certainly they are this part.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Will be cut out because we don't want them to
know that we know.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, we think that I think that Meta is a
great company, and I think that Chinese stuff is I
don't know, I can't even come up with a joke
because it's actually very complicated. But I really like the
I just think that it was a really funny protest
(04:47):
against like what we don't even care that this app
is like not for us, because it's a that's the
cool thing. It's not like a random app that somebody's like,
we're replacing it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, it was legitimately connecting people for a little while,
for like a few.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Days, and very likely a lot of people are still
on there because like people just have time on their hands.
I have a friend who is apparently the ideal gay man,
the gay like standard of beauty in China.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
David.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, so he is like he's doing great.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's doing great.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
He's on there, he's getting love letters, he's getting people
offering him like money. So I'm like, he's still he's stuck.
He's still on red. Now, good for him, Right, Okay,
that's what I I.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's your introductory screen.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, I just wanted that's what you need to know.
That's like where I'm coming with you.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So we'll use the word TikTok probably over the course
of these episodes as like a shorthand for or a
long hand for short form shorthand for a long form
content shorthand for.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Short It's like it's like Kleenex or xerox, which nobody says,
I don't know. Okay, it's the one example that it's like,
it's a good example.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I just didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
People don't know what that is, but our listeners might.
I don't, but yeah, I can't think of anything else
clean axes.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Anyway, these apps have certainly had an impact on music
correct and the music that people are listening to in
their free time when they're not on the apps, and
also occasionally music that makes it onto the radio. We've
had artists get sort of a late career revival because
of these apps for some viral sound as they're called,
(06:48):
that somebody used and then suddenly millions of people were
using that same one, and some artists that are like
discovered on these apps. We're going to talk about an
(07:10):
artist first here called are we sure how to pronounce
your name?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
See China?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
See China? That is, we're sure about that. So this
is a song called Peggy that you're seeing and hearing
all over the place. Oh I might I'm pegging that
man at the back of the bus. So it's a
pretty explicit song.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, one of the most popular videos to make with it,
So you know, for anyone who isn't familiar that basically
there's like the viral sound or audio and a zillion
people when it goes viral, like it's different people using
(07:53):
that as the audio for their video, and very often
there's text on the screen to give you know, the
creators editorializing their meaning of it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
People are taking these songs and appropriating them however they
see shit exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So one of the most popular things to do with
this song is to show it to your mom or
aunt or something, your your semi conservative relative and see
how they react. Like reaction videos. Those are the I'm
a little underwhelmed by that genre because I feel like people.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Just never saw mons and moms are so sick of
this shit.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, this is not the first time that they're a little.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They're like, oh, you want me to listen to Is
it going to be like a normal pretty song? Oh
it's not. This is so surprising.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To me, Exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You spent fifteen minutes like setting up the camera or whatever,
and get like convincing me to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You're like, oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Just trying to cut let it like exactly Charlotte's listen
to your song, do your homework.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, So I really so.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
See China, She's come out with like three songs. This
is her first viral song. Pretty good track record. She's
like she's like twenty or something. She's very young, she's
like twenty two at most.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Because I wanted to use him, wanted some good from.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
My research, she is a lesbian financial dominatrix uh and
a feminist, as we can all hear. As we can
all hear. There's a video of her like talking to
(09:47):
some group of young women and like taking off her
wig and being like this is the real me, Like
it's all a lot of it is just put on.
But like I'm pretty sure she is an actual sex
worker because the way she talks about man, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The few songs that she has out all have references
to that kind of enterprise in.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Them exactly, And I think that's a very specific it's
a it's she gets into some nitty gritty with like
some specifics that I don't an average person.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
There's so she's British. There's a lot of slang that
I have no chance of deduping we were trying to
figure out some of the lines in the song. Maybe
they're just going to stay a mystery.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, then that's how you have to approach some music
and some things of the current time that some we
are just not the group. I'm just looking at the
lyrics just so we can I can really talk about them.
But I think it's really cool the way that people
can pick like little individual lines and relate to it
(10:57):
because it's not a relatable thing to most people. Like
the whole sentence I'm pegging that man in the back
of the bus. No element of that is really relatable
to most people. If you don't know what pegging is,
google it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I can't. But not in front of your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We're not at work.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah yeah, And then.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
She talks about that's also one of those sentences that
you understand if you know all the words, but you
don't it doesn't really make sense or it just is
a confusing thing to say.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, like if you don't know like how.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That would happen anyhow.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Totally totally why I got a triangle strip last week.
Now I'm out here looking like Phineas. I just realized
what that means she got Okay, I think that she
got like a triangle shaped bikini wax and she looks
like Phineas from Phineas and Ferb who has like a triangle.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Face infer I was I could only think of Phineas
Irish or Phineas O'Connell, whatever his name is.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay, he's gotten bend in his bum like spice,
I spice and in the back of the van while
they stop and search. But then she talks about fathers
are always complaining, saying my music is bad for the kids.
Someone tell they're happy that China. She don't give a shit,
(12:31):
you know, She's talking about a lot of issues here. Yeah,
And the most of the videos are people, yeah, picking
a picking.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
One of those lines and.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Either like talking about some feminist discourse or it's people
who are mad at a guy and really relating to it.
(13:07):
I'd love to hear, Yeah, what you're from the outside in,
like not that you know this isn't your culture and
we just discussed I'm so far out, Yeah, like, how
do you interpret this being like all over women's fyps.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So in the year twenty twenty five, I can I
can understand why women would have some anger towards the
male species. This this type of rap is like when
women do it, it gets a lot of heat. But
it's just sort of like an accepted aspect of what
(13:46):
male rappers have been doing for like forty years. So
it's just it's just an element of the genre that
has been around forever. It's not the best part of
it in my opinion, but you know, we've seen a
lot of female rappers get kind of a reputation for
that kind of thing, and then they sort of go
(14:08):
on to have much more interesting careers, Like that was
a big part of Nicki Minaj when she got started
and making the Stallion certainly, and now they both have
personas that are very different from like the initial like
shock Shock rap or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I wonder though, if part of that just comes from
the fact that they well that they were like needing
money back then, like the fact that they like the
fact like Cardi b was an actual like sex worker
stripper when she started her career, so like she was
(14:46):
actually doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Literally like talking about I guess to some degree what she.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Knew the same way is the same way that you know,
jay Z talked about selling drugs, like that's what they
were doing, and now she's a rich lady and she
like they're richly exactly. So they're talking about their lives
and they're always going to incorporate like different things in there.
But like, yeah, you know, now Cardi also has songs
(15:11):
about like her husband cheating on her and stuff, a
lot of songs like that as well. So yeah, so
you're saying that you understand it's it's really like a
people kind of exaggerate the the craziness of it, the
(15:33):
like it's not that different at all.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Really, yeah, I don't think it's that different. I think
it's it gets your attention because it's a woman doing it,
and because of there is like there's a thread of
like anger or like taking power back, you know, especially
if if someone is a sex worker, that's typically a
profession where you're considered to be a victim and some
(16:00):
people don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I think that's a very good point, considering that
like sex work is sex work has become much safer
with the Internet. This is like a big thing that
like so some people might say, and I agree that
part of the reason that they that the government passed
(16:26):
a lot of those like anti porn laws and like
laws for certain states like Cesta and Fosta and all
those states that like made it harder to like be
a sex worker basically is because ultimately, like it is
empowering to the sex workers if they are able to
(16:47):
be their own pimp. Basically people have to like go
back to having pimps if you like don't have the Internet,
and it's like you can't vet people.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's a whole different job.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And so controlling the means of production.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Exactly, And that's what this song is about.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, song is about the economy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
This is a Marxist take on pegging. How does pegging
apply to Marxism? And that's She's you know, I want
to see a head to head and that's what AI
is really for. That's what I'm going to go on
after the break, after this, I'm gonna say Karl Marx
(17:32):
and Peggy having an analytical debate.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
All right, Well, if that isn't everything everyone needed to
know about see China's Peggy. I don't know, I don't
know what more they want.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you want more, just let me know,
because I could keep going, if.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You need a part two for the same, yeah, please
let us know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah. And as soon as she comes out with the album, be.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Ready enso pa
Welcome to apprist. Listen, this is going to be one
of our talk and Talk episodes. We're we're going to
talk about some viral songs.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's not a good introp I like the talk and talk.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Talking talk, talking talk, so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I want us to I want us to be uh
pull in from the ultra current what's happening in music.
I think that it's really cool that we can tie
different generations of music, like into the into this discourse.
I think that's a cool thing to do, and I
love the clock app. Okay, okay. First of all, we
(00:56):
have to talk about the actual application of TikTok because
it is irrelevant now more than ever. This is post
ban post bringing it back. Short Form user made content
is a genre that transcends a single app. Really all
(01:22):
like user made content. A lot of tiktoks that are
made on the TikTok app are like just brought onto Reels,
and that's like what Reels was for a while. I
don't really like to rep these brands too much. Not
like TikTok is going to be affected by there they're yeah,
(01:43):
they are gonna be hyped up, but like I think
that it's just short form content. At this point, we'll
figure out a way to call it. But the viralness
because there's so many cool things about these apps, the
fact that you can find so much cool stuff on
there that you would have never found. And and it's
(02:04):
because some cool person made a thing that you would like.
And this app has magical wizards. I'm pretty sure that's
algorithm is algorithm is just a name of a wizard.
That's what I heard, so to like to connect you
with that, and it's a cool thing. So that's where
I find a lot of music that I enjoy these days,
(02:28):
even like if I didn't need TikTok, or I didn't
because I'm mainly on reels. I'm being honest lately because
the TikTok drama was too much for me.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But it took a lot out of all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, And that is the it's crazy because it
kind of is the biggest, one of the biggest things
that's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like I was gonna make a joke about like.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And that's the that is the biggest, most important thing
that we need to be talking about right now in
twenty twenty five in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That was weird, That was really weird.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
When it got banned for twelve hours or whatever, that
was not a good vibe.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Every creator on every platform was like, oh my god,
we are so broken up about this. Everyone had to
screenshot the little message oh yeah, and been like, guys,
what do you think about this? Yes, like in comment and.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Somescribe exactly on reels and Red Note, which I did download.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I downloaded it. I was like, this shit is not
going to happen. The other app is not going away.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But I I, well, I'm of the mind that I'd
rather have checks and balances in my who my overlords
are or looking at all my data. Sure, I don't
want it to be just you know, United States government.
Let's get China in there too, right, Let's get let's
(04:07):
get the you know, the Ais are doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I figure that whatever privacy violations that the TikTok company
was guilty of, the Red Note company was also guilty of. Yeah,
and probably Meta is also guilty of.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Certainly they are this part.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Will be cut out because we don't want them to
know that we know.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, we think that I think that Meta is a
great company, and I think that Chinese stuff is I
don't know, I can't even come up with a joke
because it's actually very complicated. But I really like the
I just think that it was a really funny protest
(04:47):
against like what we don't even care that this app
is like not for us, because it's a that's the
cool thing. It's not like a random app that somebody's like,
we're replacing it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, it was legitimately connecting people for a little while,
for like a few.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Days, and very likely a lot of people are still
on there because like people just have time on their hands.
I have a friend who is apparently the ideal gay man,
the gay like standard of beauty in China.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
David.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, so he is like he's doing great.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's doing great.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
He's on there, he's getting love letters, he's getting people
offering him like money. So I'm like, he's still he's stuck.
He's still on red. Now, good for him, Right, Okay,
that's what I I.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's your introductory screen.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, I just wanted that's what you need to know.
That's like where I'm coming with you.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So we'll use the word TikTok probably over the course
of these episodes as like a shorthand for or a
long hand for short form shorthand for a long form
content shorthand for.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Short It's like it's like Kleenex or xerox, which nobody says,
I don't know. Okay, it's the one example that it's like,
it's a good example.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I just didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
People don't know what that is, but our listeners might.
I don't, but yeah, I can't think of anything else
clean axes.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Anyway, these apps have certainly had an impact on music
correct and the music that people are listening to in
their free time when they're not on the apps, and
also occasionally music that makes it onto the radio. We've
had artists get sort of a late career revival because
of these apps for some viral sound as they're called,
(06:48):
that somebody used and then suddenly millions of people were
using that same one, and some artists that are like
discovered on these apps. We're going to talk about an
(07:10):
artist first here called are we sure how to pronounce
your name?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
See China?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
See China? That is, we're sure about that. So this
is a song called Peggy that you're seeing and hearing
all over the place. Oh I might I'm pegging that
man at the back of the bus. So it's a
pretty explicit song.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, one of the most popular videos to make with it,
So you know, for anyone who isn't familiar that basically
there's like the viral sound or audio and a zillion
people when it goes viral, like it's different people using
(07:53):
that as the audio for their video, and very often
there's text on the screen to give you know, the
creators editorializing their meaning of it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
People are taking these songs and appropriating them however they
see shit exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So one of the most popular things to do with
this song is to show it to your mom or
aunt or something, your your semi conservative relative and see
how they react. Like reaction videos. Those are the I'm
a little underwhelmed by that genre because I feel like people.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Just never saw mons and moms are so sick of
this shit.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, this is not the first time that they're a little.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They're like, oh, you want me to listen to Is
it going to be like a normal pretty song? Oh
it's not. This is so surprising.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To me, Exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You spent fifteen minutes like setting up the camera or whatever,
and get like convincing me to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You're like, oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Just trying to cut let it like exactly Charlotte's listen
to your song, do your homework.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, So I really so.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
See China, She's come out with like three songs. This
is her first viral song. Pretty good track record. She's
like she's like twenty or something. She's very young, she's
like twenty two at most.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Because I wanted to use him, wanted some good from.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
My research, she is a lesbian financial dominatrix uh and
a feminist, as we can all hear. As we can
all hear. There's a video of her like talking to
(09:47):
some group of young women and like taking off her
wig and being like this is the real me, Like
it's all a lot of it is just put on.
But like I'm pretty sure she is an actual sex
worker because the way she talks about man, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The few songs that she has out all have references
to that kind of enterprise in.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Them exactly, And I think that's a very specific it's
a it's she gets into some nitty gritty with like
some specifics that I don't an average person.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
There's so she's British. There's a lot of slang that
I have no chance of deduping we were trying to
figure out some of the lines in the song. Maybe
they're just going to stay a mystery.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, then that's how you have to approach some music
and some things of the current time that some we
are just not the group. I'm just looking at the
lyrics just so we can I can really talk about them.
But I think it's really cool the way that people
can pick like little individual lines and relate to it
(10:57):
because it's not a relatable thing to most people. Like
the whole sentence I'm pegging that man in the back
of the bus. No element of that is really relatable
to most people. If you don't know what pegging is,
google it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I can't. But not in front of your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We're not at work.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah yeah, And then.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
She talks about that's also one of those sentences that
you understand if you know all the words, but you
don't it doesn't really make sense or it just is
a confusing thing to say.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, like if you don't know like how.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That would happen anyhow.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Totally totally why I got a triangle strip last week.
Now I'm out here looking like Phineas. I just realized
what that means she got Okay, I think that she
got like a triangle shaped bikini wax and she looks
like Phineas from Phineas and Ferb who has like a triangle.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Face infer I was I could only think of Phineas
Irish or Phineas O'Connell, whatever his name is.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay, he's gotten bend in his bum like spice,
I spice and in the back of the van while
they stop and search. But then she talks about fathers
are always complaining, saying my music is bad for the kids.
Someone tell they're happy that China. She don't give a shit,
(12:31):
you know, She's talking about a lot of issues here. Yeah,
And the most of the videos are people, yeah, picking
a picking.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
One of those lines and.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Either like talking about some feminist discourse or it's people
who are mad at a guy and really relating to it.
(13:07):
I'd love to hear, Yeah, what you're from the outside in,
like not that you know this isn't your culture and
we just discussed I'm so far out, Yeah, like, how
do you interpret this being like all over women's fyps.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So in the year twenty twenty five, I can I
can understand why women would have some anger towards the
male species. This this type of rap is like when
women do it, it gets a lot of heat. But
it's just sort of like an accepted aspect of what
(13:46):
male rappers have been doing for like forty years. So
it's just it's just an element of the genre that
has been around forever. It's not the best part of
it in my opinion, but you know, we've seen a
lot of female rappers get kind of a reputation for
that kind of thing, and then they sort of go
(14:08):
on to have much more interesting careers, Like that was
a big part of Nicki Minaj when she got started
and making the Stallion certainly, and now they both have
personas that are very different from like the initial like
shock Shock rap or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I wonder though, if part of that just comes from
the fact that they well that they were like needing
money back then, like the fact that they like the
fact like Cardi b was an actual like sex worker
stripper when she started her career, so like she was
(14:46):
actually doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Literally like talking about I guess to some degree what she.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Knew the same way is the same way that you know,
jay Z talked about selling drugs, like that's what they
were doing, and now she's a rich lady and she
like they're richly exactly. So they're talking about their lives
and they're always going to incorporate like different things in there.
But like, yeah, you know, now Cardi also has songs
(15:11):
about like her husband cheating on her and stuff, a
lot of songs like that as well. So yeah, so
you're saying that you understand it's it's really like a
people kind of exaggerate the the craziness of it, the
(15:33):
like it's not that different at all.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Really, yeah, I don't think it's that different. I think
it's it gets your attention because it's a woman doing it,
and because of there is like there's a thread of
like anger or like taking power back, you know, especially
if if someone is a sex worker, that's typically a
profession where you're considered to be a victim and some
(16:00):
people don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I think that's a very good point, considering that
like sex work is sex work has become much safer
with the Internet. This is like a big thing that
like so some people might say, and I agree that
part of the reason that they that the government passed
(16:26):
a lot of those like anti porn laws and like
laws for certain states like Cesta and Fosta and all
those states that like made it harder to like be
a sex worker basically is because ultimately, like it is
empowering to the sex workers if they are able to
(16:47):
be their own pimp. Basically people have to like go
back to having pimps if you like don't have the Internet,
and it's like you can't vet people.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's a whole different job.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And so controlling the means of production.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Exactly, And that's what this song is about.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, song is about the economy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
This is a Marxist take on pegging. How does pegging
apply to Marxism? And that's She's you know, I want
to see a head to head and that's what AI
is really for. That's what I'm going to go on
after the break, after this, I'm gonna say Karl Marx
(17:32):
and Peggy having an analytical debate.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
All right, Well, if that isn't everything everyone needed to
know about see China's Peggy. I don't know, I don't
know what more they want.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you want more, just let me know,
because I could keep going, if.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You need a part two for the same, yeah, please
let us know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah. And as soon as she comes out with the album, be.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Ready enso pa
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