September 30, 2025 • 27 mins
Jack Perry joins the show for his first interview since returning to AEW! He breaks down his surprise comeback at All Out and reuniting with Luchasaurus. Jack also opens up about his time as the “Scapegoat”, the fan theories leading up to his return, and if Jungle Boy is officially a thing of the past.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast. It is the
Battleground Podcast. I am joined as always by my tag
team partner Eli and Man talk about a fun week
this week for ae W. Tomorrow night it is the
six year anniversary show, and I gotta tell you, Man
super excited about our guest here on the show today,
who has been a.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Day one er for ae.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
W getting here to this six year anniversary. Give it
up for jungle Boy Jack Perry.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Say just Jack Perry? Do we skategoat? Like? What do
you want us to call you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Now? I can't even keep up these days. I don't know.
I think I'm not going back to jungle Boy. That's
what I know for me, honestly, if the people can
come up with someone cool, I'm down for it. And
it's kind of cool for me. It's evolved over the years,
and it was jungle Boy Jack Perry, and then Scapegoat
(01:17):
Jack Perry, and then who knows I hear from now
might be something Jack Berry or nothing at all. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We'll let the fans decide that when they come chanting
your name on Wednesday nights. Dynamite for the six year anniversary. Now,
I do want to talk about it because you will
turn it all out, absolutely electric.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I'm getting goosebumps now thinking about it. I'm sure
you did too.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The moment when Tarzan Boy hit again, that crowd erupted,
and of course you reunited with Lutasaurus.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That had to be surreal. Kind of walk us through
that moment.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That was crazy, and that was the culmination of so long,
you know, without saying too much and throwing certain people
under the bus, maybe one day, but it's he and I.
He's one of my best friends in the entire world,
in wrestling and out, and that's something we've been talking
about for a long time, and there were many iterations
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over the years of how we would come back together.
There was an evil version that somebody else ruined and
we didn't get to do it, and there was all
sorts of stuff, and this past year we both ended
up being off and he was off. He had pneumonia,
which has been documented in all that, but it turned
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out to be pretty serious and he almost died, which really,
you know, it's surreal. It's guy's like your best friend
and I'm talking to him every day and all that,
and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I
could have died, and it really kind of puts things
into perspective, you know, just sort of how fragile life is,
and then really what's important because it's easy I feel
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like to kind of get lost in the weeds of
like I'm about this, I hate this guy, I want
to do that. But it really kind of put it
all in perspective, and we were thinking the way it
had worked out, we were both off, what do we
want to do? And we wanted to do this again
because we felt like we could do it better than
the first time, and we both know ourselves so much
more and it's different. And then it turned out to
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be just about the hardest thing in the world to
make it happen. Just scheduling and things were coming up,
and there were certain people who seemed hell bent on
not letting it happen. But we fought through it all
and we kept going. We kept going, and finally it
culminated in that moment that you saw and it just
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felt I mean, it just felt so good. I feel
like I couldn't have asked for it to go any better.
And we since the last time we tagged. I was
just looking at but it's been like a thousand something days,
and I was just thinking about how much everything has
changed since then, and how much we've both been through
and to end up being there with our day one act.
(04:06):
We were both pretty much unknown guys when aw started,
so just for us to hug and get that kind
of reaction and then this music plays and people are
going nuts with my best friend who I started with,
who we've been through all that and we came back,
you know, from the beginning, people are telling us this
is this, Gami sucks, this is stupid you guys, this
and now and whatever, and that's the reaction we got.
(04:28):
It just felt very cathartic in a way. It was.
It was sort of the culmination of so much, but
also the beginning of a brand new chapter, which I'm
very excited for.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, that was a great answer.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
FY.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
The date for you guys was June fifteenth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
That was the last time you tacked together.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So yes, it was, And I remember that because it
was the day before my birthday and then I got
pummeled in the head with a chair, so that birthday
was a bit interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, that was as against the young Bucks too, not
to rub that in so.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Anyway, but you still rub it in anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Sorry, Well I didn't go into the details of it.
I just you know, anyway you can find the details anyways. Uh,
speaking of your return all out, you know, you threw
out the kill switch belt at the end of that
and it just sent everyone into a frenzy at that point.
Was that you know, as much of a symbolic moment
for you or was it kind of in a in
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a way, you know, shdding some of that dark persona
that you had embraced over the last year or so.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
For It's funny for me. For him, uh, I felt
that was a really important moment for him more than anything.
And here's the thing about him. First of all, people
I mean, like I don't know, people have always about him,
wanted to try and like tear him down for different
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reasons or one now. But the thing is, every time
he goes out there, the crowd is going nuts, right,
chanting Lucasaurus like all. And I used to be annoyed
because I'd be in there in the ring, like doing
all this stuff and all this and and they're chanting Lucasaurus.
And I was like, I'm in here getting my ass kicked,
trying to do all this stuff, getting dropped on my head,
and they're chanting Lucasaurus the whole time. I was like,
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but whatever, But it's the magic of it. And you know,
I for whatever reason, people try and diminish him, and
he's he's a start, and they are going nuts for
Lucasaurus in a way they don't go many nuts for
go nuts for many people because they're like interacting with
him in a different way. I hated the kill switch thing.
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I thought that was stupid, and I thought the fact
that they were chanting Lucasaurus through the entire time sort
of showed you that. And uh, for me, I wanted
him to sort of reclaim almost it's his name, but
it's his powers that is Lucasaurus. He's never going to
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get them not to chant Lucasaurus. And I wanted to.
I could have thrown the belt and the gradif I
wanted to, But I said to him, I want you
to throw that because that's not you, and you know
who you are, and that felt powerful to it. He
took it, and he looked at it, and he's screened,
and he threw it and they went nuts too. And
if he had thrown it, no one had made any noise,
it would have been like whatever. But I think we
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all felt that, and he is Lucasaurus again, and we
are ready to take this on in this sort of
new form. It's a bit darker than it was the
first time. We've all grown, you know. One of the
things that he pointed out to me, he was like, look,
if a kid was like six years old when we
started and they loved the Drastic Express, and we were
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when we were in Green, But what that kid's like
twelve now, about to be thirteen. They're growing up a little.
They are probably feeling different than when they were six.
So I like that thing that we are kind of
maturing and changing as the show goes, right, And you know,
for a kid who was sick and loved a green
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dinosaur in the Little Jungle Boy, now I'm a teenager
and i'm a little hisssy sometimes or whatever, and on
now they were black and it's a little moody and this.
So I don't know, it's cool for us to sort
of be able to grow and change and experiment all that,
because that's that's pretty much what life is, right.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned that that kid aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
As a father myself who has a kid who is
eight years old grew has watched aw since it started,
like what you said of watching Jungle Boy and Lucasaurus
go at it and then seeing it now and seeing
him transition into an older kid. It's it's one of
these cool moments that they can grow with you guys,
like you said. And I got to say the really
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cool thing that as a fan watching the aspect of
the little subtle hints of you coming back, of course,
the young bucks where they were dropping those little teas,
the cryptic notes, the subtle nods.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
In the weeks before you were.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Now do you enjoy Did you enjoy watching fans speculate
while you stayed quiet or were you just kind of
itching to finally pull the trigger and come back.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
No, it was I liked the speculation and stuff, and
purposely a lot of the times I I always prefer
kind of subtlety and leaving things a little vague, and
obviously I could have showed my face making a knife
or whatever it was. But to me, the fun is
people being like, oh, well that must have come from Jack. Obviously,
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this and that, And we had these vignettes too that
when Lucasaurus was revived there was a hand in it,
which was my hand in a glove. But I saw
people going online and being like, this is Jack's hand,
this is the kind of jacket he wears, this and that,
and we ended up revealing it later. The idea was
(09:53):
it Actually it was sort of a happy mistake because
our original plan got ruined, but we ended up revealing
it later, and we were thinking kind of of like
the Saw movies where they at the end reveal how
the beginning happened and this and that. But I felt
it was so cool to just have put the little
teaser and let people speculate, because that's the fun, you know,
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If you just give them all the answers, it's you know,
I guess it can be cool, but for me, it's
fun to get them involved and then seeing people put
it together and like, oh, look this button matches from
when he showed up in New Japan and did this
and that, So to me, that was really cool and
exciting to see that people are wanting to participate in
that way.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Yeah, you know, speaking of your new Japan run, the
Scapegoat came out of that and just an awesome transformation
in your evolution as a you know, as.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
A performer start contrast to Jungle Boy. Of course the
night and almost night and day defin.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Now that you've returned and you seem to be embracing
elements of both past and present, what parts of the
Scapegoat era do you want to care forward with you?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I think what the Scapegoat thing did for me was
really let me be myself more than I ever had before.
And there were elements of me in Jungle Boy, but
obviously I'm not an actual Jungle Boy, you know, there
was when it came to I felt like I was
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kind of in a weird spot because like when it
came to talking and saying things, I was like, you know,
I'm not gonna like make monkey noises or whatever. But
I don't feel like it's also fully appropriate to just
be me, because there's like I'm in this thing where
Jungle Boy probably wouldn't sound like me. But I also
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and I wasn't sure, and it was I don't know.
It was a character that at a certain point I
couldn't fully relate to. And the Scapegoat thing was, I mean,
it was nothing. It was a word, but it was
it was just me and it allowed me to be
myself in a different way and just free me. And
(12:01):
there were no rules at that point, especially the way
things were. It was just like I was just kind
of out doing whatever I felt like, and I felt
like New Japan really was the perfect place. The way
they had those little postmatch promos set up. You literally
walked through the door sweaty and like out of breath
and whatever, and someone just says a camera there and
there's no no one saying, hey, I want you to
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do this or whatever. There's no time to even think.
So it just like some of them turn out shitty
and some of them turned out cool, and it just
allows you to be you in a different way. And
I feel like that's what I got out of the
whole thing, and just I'm into it all sorts of
weird stuff like driving clunky busses around and melting so whatever,
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and it just like opened all that up to me
in a way that I feel like I never would
have got there otherwise right.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Right for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I think the one thing in me and Eli
have had this conversation in the past that were big,
big scary movie guys, and when we saw the map,
when you debuted.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It, it was like, holy shit, this is awesome. So Walk,
I would love to know like the thought.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Process of obviously, if people are watching this right now
on YouTube, uh, the mask is behind you, walk us
through that creation process like it's incredible. I saw it
in person in the front row and blood and guts,
and I was like, this is awesome. But I again,
I want the creative process. How do you come up
with that?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, well again without without throwing people under the bus.
It's funny because the plan for me to come back
from that whole thing was much different and actually involved
Lucasaurus and a sort of different iteration of everything, and
that all got scrapped and then I was sort of
I just felt like I had nothing. I wasn't tethered
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to anybody or anything, and it was all this stuff
had happened and I'm just out in the middle of
nowhere by myself, not at work and whatever, and I
was texting Chris Jericho actually, and he was sort of
checking you on me during that time when you're saying,
how's it going, man, whatever, and I said, it's actually
really not good, A, B and C whatever, and he
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said he's like, yeah, it sucks, man. They're they're making
you the scapegoat for the whole thing. And as soon
as I saw that, I just I was like, that
is that's cool. I like that And I never actually like,
I've known the word obviously scapegoat whatever, but I didn't
think it was a literal goat. So I was like,
let me just google where this comes from. And I
googled it and it's like this ancient religious thing where
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people would take a goat once a year and sacrifice
it for all their sins, or they would just send
it out in the wilderness to die to like the
devil or something, and then they had this kind of
image of I was like, oh, that's pretty cool, like
they're out here like sacrificing goats. I don't know, And
that's kind of how I felt at the time too.
I've just been sent off into the wilderness. So I
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started then looking into stuff and I that kind of
gave me an image of somewhere to go with it,
and I was just looking online for goat mask. Maybe
I don't know why I thought of that, and I
found it and a woman here in California she makes
these crazy halloween masks and they're super cool. And once
I saw this, I was like, Okay, I can see
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what I'm going for here, and I kind of developed.
I felt like there it could have been more fleshed out.
But to me, there were like two elements of it,
and one was this kind of like cult leader element,
which was like more when it was me, and then
the other one was the goat, which is the sacrifice.
And it was this idea of like me saying like
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we all have to sacrifice, and I willing to sacrifice myself,
and then I am the goat who's being sacrificed as well.
So it became I don't know, and I was like
figuring it out as I went, obviously, but I felt
it was cool to have this sort of double thing
of me wanting everyone to sacrifice the way I felt
I had had to, but then also me always being
willing to sacrifice and you talk about the blood and guts.
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That to me it was cool to uh, you know,
there's obviously some symbolic stuff, but I'm tied up there
and I'm willing to get my skull bashed in with
a chair or be lit on fire sort of, so
I don't know it all. It all kind of became
more and more, and I was figuring it out as
I went and sort of being inspired by movies and things.
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The movie No Country for Old Man. I don't know
why that really stuck with me. I saw it that
year and I was like, there were things here that
I could put into this. And but again, it just
freed me up in a way to see things and
like things and think new things that I think if
I had just shown up as Jungle Boy one day
and like, hey guys, I want to do this, everyone
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would have been like, what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Right right right?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, Well it was very cerebral.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like the way it was presented.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I mean, it just felt it just felt dangerous, you
know what I mean. Like it was especially kind of
coming after all the events that have been happening and
pro wrestling and stuff. It just was such an exclamation point,
it felt like, you know, and it was really awesome
to just to kind of see you grow, and that
(17:10):
I guess is.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
The best way to explain it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, it was very awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, thank you man. It was Some people didn't like it,
but that's just how it works. I I loved it,
and it was some of the most fun I've ever had,
and I'm I'm grateful that I got to have that. Yeah,
and I'm definitely keeping a fair amount of it going forward.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Uh, you know recently there, well, first thing we got
to say is we Tony Kahan announced the we're finally
getting women's tag team titles.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'm sure there's someone in your orbit that's happy about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I've been hearing about it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
There has been a kind of a renewed interest in
inter gender tag team wrestling. A lot of kind of
marquee matches over the last like five to six weeks
have been going on with inter gender tag team wrestling.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that something you'd be interested in it all down
the road?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I think if it's you know, sure, the right scenario.
It kind of just depends on what and when and
why and whatever, But I think that could be interesting. Yeah,
I guess there is more of it. I kind of
hadn't thought about that till you said it. But yeah,
we'll see. You know, it depends who and what and
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how goes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But yeah, yeah, awesome, solid tary.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sure of course, super excited about AW celebrating six year
anniversary tomorrow night, which again, it's incredible because you look
at it and there's a lot of people online that
wanted to count out AEW that they weren't gonna last
for a year, and here we are six years later
and still going strong. Now, I one thing I want
to ask you about because you see this and everybody
(18:48):
talks about creative input when it comes to AW, and
everybody's got their own opinions on it. But from your
entrance music to the gear to the storylines you're in,
how much creative input do you have these days? Because
everybody that we've talked to talk to from AW says
that Tony is always open to any and everything that's
been thrown his way.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know, I guess some people get more than others.
Some people who I wish probably didn't have it, get more,
uh than you'd want. But anyways, for me, at this point,
I feel like I you know, obviously they there are
some things you can't do. But like, for example, uh
was it last year the year before, I wanted to
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get lit on fire and that was something that I
had sort of experimented with. And when I said it,
everyone was like, are you sure about that? Do you want?
I sent a video of me lighting myself on fire
in the yard just to show like, yeah, I'm serious. Like,
and I got to, you know, come to fruition. I
just I had started in my time off in the
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Scapegoad thing kind of filming my own vignettes in my garage.
I did one with a film projector and one with
a bunch of TVs, and so I kind of felt
I found this style. And I just I had said
with the Lucasaurus Saw revival thing, I was like, I
have this idea and I want to dig a coffin
up and then hitch it to my bus and drive
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it down the street because I think it will make
a bunch of sparks on the street and that'll look
really cool. And they were like, all right, yeah, if
you can, you know, make that happen, we can do that.
And I did it and they sent out the film crew.
This guy John Carlow, he's he's the mastermind behind a
lot of the filming stuff. Dan the prop guy who's
(20:37):
unnamed and in the shadows, but he was awesome made
it work, and so yeah, we just I then for
real got to drive a coffin down the street in
the middle of the night and spark it up and
all this stuff. So I found within reason, I pretty
much can bring whatever I want to the table and
make it happen.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, absolutely right, I will say this.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And it's been really fun to watch because we follow
you on social media watching your knife making videos. This
has been incredible, by the way, any any what what
kind of got you into this, because I mean it's
I watch forged in fire and it's very unique that
you could take this little piece.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Of steel and make a sword or a dagger or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And it's gotta be also calming for you to like
at the end, you're like, I made this, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I uh. I get to keep one with me all
the time. It's one of my little ones right here.
They're not the best. I'm still working on it, but
it's a little kind of going back here too. This
is the one I was wearing in the ring. It
all out when I went back in a little pocket sheet.
But the way that all came about it is funny
because it is related to wrestling as well. I had
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I had sort of gotten into this idea. I made
this vignette with these TVs and I wanted to make
this mask that was like almost a mirror kind of
that was like reflecting the TVs back and all, and
I got that ended up not happening, but I was
experimenting with how a mirror is made, and it's like
a little layer of tin, so I and you can
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actually melt tein in a pan on the oven. So
I got into that and that didn't work. But I
was then into the idea of metal melting and and
I actually for Christmas that you got me this like
it's just like a little what do you call it,
like a crucible thing and you throw soda cans in
it and melt it. So I was just doing that
in my off time making whatever. And then I won
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the TNT title And at first people used to change
the color of the leather all the time, and I
thought that was cool because it's like a little spin on.
Each guy has it. When I got it, I said, hey, guys,
can I change the leather. I thought that was really
cool and I wanted to put some like maybe animal
fur something, and somebody said, no, you can't change the leather,
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and especially at that time, I was like, oh, okay,
very good. And I got to thinking and I was like,
I think I could just make a belt because I
for sure am changing it. And the fact that you
told me now that I can't like one thousand percent,
and I'm going to change it more than you ever thought.
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So I got one of the replicas and I went
and started molding it with the sand and all that
and melting, and it took me like a week to
get it perfect, but I ended up getting it. And
then I was like, I'm changing this thing as much
as I can, and I painted it black and put
blood and all this stuff, and that ended up being
my TNT title, which I appear somewhere. But then that
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sort of seeing that I could do that, because I
wasn't sure I could do but I was like, I'm
pretty sure. Seeing that I could make that just sort
of got me more into the idea of metal stuff.
And then I ended up with another long period of
time off and I kind of was like, let me
see if I can make a knife, and I the
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first one I made was terrible, and then I was like,
I think I could do a little better and a
little better. And then I kept having more and more
time off and this, and then I was like, I'm
just gonna go for it. And it's sort of transitioned
into this thing that uh, you know, they're not They're
not amazing or anything, but I can see them getting
better at it and it's kind of fun. And it's
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ended up now being incorporated into the wrestling in a
way that I didn't think was gonna happen. It was
just me trying to kill time at home, but that
also has kind of ended up lending itself to the
character a bit. I don't know, it's it's just freedom
to kind of integrate all this stuff. But yeah, I
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got these little things. I just something to tag around
with at home.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I have a feeling not only are we going to
see Jack Perry on AW, I think we're gonna see
him on an episode of Forged and Firebary.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We'll see. I'm not I'm not good enough yet, but
one of these days I'll keep at it and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Man, it's great to have you on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I know a lot of fans, including myself and Eli,
are very excited to have you back, especially after that
reunion of you and Lucasaurus. Last question for you because
we always like to have fun at the end of
the show. Obviously Tarzan Boy iconic theme song for you.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But with this new era that you're.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Coming into, if you could pick somebody to do your
new theme song coming out, who would you pick.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's hard to say, And it's funny. We were talking
about this and there's this kind of I mean, we're
gonna see, we don't know. We're just throwing it all
out the wall and seeing if it works. The people
love the song so much, I don't know if we
can go with that. And for me it was really
cool too. They started singing it before it even played,
and I think now when you see the two of
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us together, it's like, that's what you So I'm interested
to see if we can kind of have this duality
of like all this kind of darker stuff while that
music is playing, which I don't know, like this is
not the same at all, but like White Lotus, for example,
which I watch, it's like it's all on the surface
(26:14):
kind of very nice, and they're in a hotel and
all this, and then there's a murder going on underneath,
and I feel like there are a lot of shows
and things like that. I will take this. I have
no idea about new music because I haven't thought about
it when I when I first when I first turned heel,
it was just a little I had. We'd been talked
about getting me a song by Alice in Chains called
(26:34):
them bones. That's what I don't know why, that's what
I had always seen and I really wanted that, and
that ended up falling through, I guess, and they told
me maybe an hour or thirty minutes before I went out.
We didn't get that. It didn't work. You're gonna go
out with no music and you're just gonna like talk
and I was like okay, And then they came back
twenty minutes A friend there, actually you're going out to Beethoven.
(26:58):
What the hell is going on here? And then that
was what it was forbid. So I don't know about
the new music. But that's that's a little fun story
in place of that awesome.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well Jack again, it's such an honor and our privileged
to have you here on the show with us today
and again, like I said, we're we're trying not to
mark out, but who cares.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
This is our show. We can mark out.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So great to have you here on the show, to
see you start from where you were day one to
where you are now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Super excited for you for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
And before we let you go, anything you want to
say to people watching or listening to this right now.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, just stay tuned. Man. It's been a wild ride.
I can't believe it's been six years. It feels like
a whole life time almost. But the best is yet
to come. I firmly believe that. And we're having fun.
I hope you guys are having fun too. It's wrestling.
Just enjoy it.
Welcome to the Battleground Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You'll pay for all things resting.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And exclusive interviews with some of your favorite wrestlers abound,
pot stop.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It, what hope you guys.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast. It is the
Battleground Podcast. I am joined as always by my tag
team partner Eli and Man talk about a fun week
this week for ae W. Tomorrow night it is the
six year anniversary show, and I gotta tell you, Man
super excited about our guest here on the show today,
who has been a.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Day one er for ae.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
W getting here to this six year anniversary. Give it
up for jungle Boy Jack Perry.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Say just Jack Perry? Do we skategoat? Like? What do
you want us to call you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Now? I can't even keep up these days. I don't know.
I think I'm not going back to jungle Boy. That's
what I know for me, honestly, if the people can
come up with someone cool, I'm down for it. And
it's kind of cool for me. It's evolved over the years,
and it was jungle Boy Jack Perry, and then Scapegoat
(01:17):
Jack Perry, and then who knows I hear from now
might be something Jack Berry or nothing at all. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We'll let the fans decide that when they come chanting
your name on Wednesday nights. Dynamite for the six year anniversary. Now,
I do want to talk about it because you will
turn it all out, absolutely electric.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I'm getting goosebumps now thinking about it. I'm sure
you did too.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The moment when Tarzan Boy hit again, that crowd erupted,
and of course you reunited with Lutasaurus.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That had to be surreal. Kind of walk us through
that moment.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That was crazy, and that was the culmination of so long,
you know, without saying too much and throwing certain people
under the bus, maybe one day, but it's he and I.
He's one of my best friends in the entire world,
in wrestling and out, and that's something we've been talking
about for a long time, and there were many iterations
(02:15):
over the years of how we would come back together.
There was an evil version that somebody else ruined and
we didn't get to do it, and there was all
sorts of stuff, and this past year we both ended
up being off and he was off. He had pneumonia,
which has been documented in all that, but it turned
(02:35):
out to be pretty serious and he almost died, which really,
you know, it's surreal. It's guy's like your best friend
and I'm talking to him every day and all that,
and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I
could have died, and it really kind of puts things
into perspective, you know, just sort of how fragile life is,
and then really what's important because it's easy I feel
(02:56):
like to kind of get lost in the weeds of
like I'm about this, I hate this guy, I want
to do that. But it really kind of put it
all in perspective, and we were thinking the way it
had worked out, we were both off, what do we
want to do? And we wanted to do this again
because we felt like we could do it better than
the first time, and we both know ourselves so much
more and it's different. And then it turned out to
(03:21):
be just about the hardest thing in the world to
make it happen. Just scheduling and things were coming up,
and there were certain people who seemed hell bent on
not letting it happen. But we fought through it all
and we kept going. We kept going, and finally it
culminated in that moment that you saw and it just
(03:43):
felt I mean, it just felt so good. I feel
like I couldn't have asked for it to go any better.
And we since the last time we tagged. I was
just looking at but it's been like a thousand something days,
and I was just thinking about how much everything has
changed since then, and how much we've both been through
and to end up being there with our day one act.
(04:06):
We were both pretty much unknown guys when aw started,
so just for us to hug and get that kind
of reaction and then this music plays and people are
going nuts with my best friend who I started with,
who we've been through all that and we came back,
you know, from the beginning, people are telling us this
is this, Gami sucks, this is stupid you guys, this
and now and whatever, and that's the reaction we got.
(04:28):
It just felt very cathartic in a way. It was.
It was sort of the culmination of so much, but
also the beginning of a brand new chapter, which I'm
very excited for.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, that was a great answer.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
FY.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
The date for you guys was June fifteenth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
That was the last time you tacked together.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So yes, it was, And I remember that because it
was the day before my birthday and then I got
pummeled in the head with a chair, so that birthday
was a bit interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, that was as against the young Bucks too, not
to rub that in so.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Anyway, but you still rub it in anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Sorry, Well I didn't go into the details of it.
I just you know, anyway you can find the details anyways. Uh,
speaking of your return all out, you know, you threw
out the kill switch belt at the end of that
and it just sent everyone into a frenzy at that point.
Was that you know, as much of a symbolic moment
for you or was it kind of in a in
(05:26):
a way, you know, shdding some of that dark persona
that you had embraced over the last year or so.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
For It's funny for me. For him, uh, I felt
that was a really important moment for him more than anything.
And here's the thing about him. First of all, people
I mean, like I don't know, people have always about him,
wanted to try and like tear him down for different
(05:53):
reasons or one now. But the thing is, every time
he goes out there, the crowd is going nuts, right,
chanting Lucasaurus like all. And I used to be annoyed
because I'd be in there in the ring, like doing
all this stuff and all this and and they're chanting Lucasaurus.
And I was like, I'm in here getting my ass kicked,
trying to do all this stuff, getting dropped on my head,
and they're chanting Lucasaurus the whole time. I was like,
(06:15):
but whatever, But it's the magic of it. And you know,
I for whatever reason, people try and diminish him, and
he's he's a start, and they are going nuts for
Lucasaurus in a way they don't go many nuts for
go nuts for many people because they're like interacting with
him in a different way. I hated the kill switch thing.
(06:39):
I thought that was stupid, and I thought the fact
that they were chanting Lucasaurus through the entire time sort
of showed you that. And uh, for me, I wanted
him to sort of reclaim almost it's his name, but
it's his powers that is Lucasaurus. He's never going to
(06:59):
get them not to chant Lucasaurus. And I wanted to.
I could have thrown the belt and the gradif I
wanted to, But I said to him, I want you
to throw that because that's not you, and you know
who you are, and that felt powerful to it. He
took it, and he looked at it, and he's screened,
and he threw it and they went nuts too. And
if he had thrown it, no one had made any noise,
it would have been like whatever. But I think we
(07:21):
all felt that, and he is Lucasaurus again, and we
are ready to take this on in this sort of
new form. It's a bit darker than it was the
first time. We've all grown, you know. One of the
things that he pointed out to me, he was like, look,
if a kid was like six years old when we
started and they loved the Drastic Express, and we were
(07:42):
when we were in Green, But what that kid's like
twelve now, about to be thirteen. They're growing up a little.
They are probably feeling different than when they were six.
So I like that thing that we are kind of
maturing and changing as the show goes, right, And you know,
for a kid who was sick and loved a green
(08:05):
dinosaur in the Little Jungle Boy, now I'm a teenager
and i'm a little hisssy sometimes or whatever, and on
now they were black and it's a little moody and this.
So I don't know, it's cool for us to sort
of be able to grow and change and experiment all that,
because that's that's pretty much what life is, right.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned that that kid aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
As a father myself who has a kid who is
eight years old grew has watched aw since it started,
like what you said of watching Jungle Boy and Lucasaurus
go at it and then seeing it now and seeing
him transition into an older kid. It's it's one of
these cool moments that they can grow with you guys,
like you said. And I got to say the really
(08:46):
cool thing that as a fan watching the aspect of
the little subtle hints of you coming back, of course,
the young bucks where they were dropping those little teas,
the cryptic notes, the subtle nods.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
In the weeks before you were.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Now do you enjoy Did you enjoy watching fans speculate
while you stayed quiet or were you just kind of
itching to finally pull the trigger and come back.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
No, it was I liked the speculation and stuff, and
purposely a lot of the times I I always prefer
kind of subtlety and leaving things a little vague, and
obviously I could have showed my face making a knife
or whatever it was. But to me, the fun is
people being like, oh, well that must have come from Jack. Obviously,
(09:32):
this and that, And we had these vignettes too that
when Lucasaurus was revived there was a hand in it,
which was my hand in a glove. But I saw
people going online and being like, this is Jack's hand,
this is the kind of jacket he wears, this and that,
and we ended up revealing it later. The idea was
(09:53):
it Actually it was sort of a happy mistake because
our original plan got ruined, but we ended up revealing
it later, and we were thinking kind of of like
the Saw movies where they at the end reveal how
the beginning happened and this and that. But I felt
it was so cool to just have put the little
teaser and let people speculate, because that's the fun, you know,
(10:14):
If you just give them all the answers, it's you know,
I guess it can be cool, but for me, it's
fun to get them involved and then seeing people put
it together and like, oh, look this button matches from
when he showed up in New Japan and did this
and that, So to me, that was really cool and
exciting to see that people are wanting to participate in
that way.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Yeah, you know, speaking of your new Japan run, the
Scapegoat came out of that and just an awesome transformation
in your evolution as a you know, as.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
A performer start contrast to Jungle Boy. Of course the
night and almost night and day defin.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Now that you've returned and you seem to be embracing
elements of both past and present, what parts of the
Scapegoat era do you want to care forward with you?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I think what the Scapegoat thing did for me was
really let me be myself more than I ever had before.
And there were elements of me in Jungle Boy, but
obviously I'm not an actual Jungle Boy, you know, there
was when it came to I felt like I was
(11:17):
kind of in a weird spot because like when it
came to talking and saying things, I was like, you know,
I'm not gonna like make monkey noises or whatever. But
I don't feel like it's also fully appropriate to just
be me, because there's like I'm in this thing where
Jungle Boy probably wouldn't sound like me. But I also
(11:38):
and I wasn't sure, and it was I don't know.
It was a character that at a certain point I
couldn't fully relate to. And the Scapegoat thing was, I mean,
it was nothing. It was a word, but it was
it was just me and it allowed me to be
myself in a different way and just free me. And
(12:01):
there were no rules at that point, especially the way
things were. It was just like I was just kind
of out doing whatever I felt like, and I felt
like New Japan really was the perfect place. The way
they had those little postmatch promos set up. You literally
walked through the door sweaty and like out of breath
and whatever, and someone just says a camera there and
there's no no one saying, hey, I want you to
(12:22):
do this or whatever. There's no time to even think.
So it just like some of them turn out shitty
and some of them turned out cool, and it just
allows you to be you in a different way. And
I feel like that's what I got out of the
whole thing, and just I'm into it all sorts of
weird stuff like driving clunky busses around and melting so whatever,
(12:43):
and it just like opened all that up to me
in a way that I feel like I never would
have got there otherwise right.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Right for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I think the one thing in me and Eli
have had this conversation in the past that were big,
big scary movie guys, and when we saw the map,
when you debuted.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It, it was like, holy shit, this is awesome. So Walk,
I would love to know like the thought.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Process of obviously, if people are watching this right now
on YouTube, uh, the mask is behind you, walk us
through that creation process like it's incredible. I saw it
in person in the front row and blood and guts,
and I was like, this is awesome. But I again,
I want the creative process. How do you come up
with that?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, well again without without throwing people under the bus.
It's funny because the plan for me to come back
from that whole thing was much different and actually involved
Lucasaurus and a sort of different iteration of everything, and
that all got scrapped and then I was sort of
I just felt like I had nothing. I wasn't tethered
(13:47):
to anybody or anything, and it was all this stuff
had happened and I'm just out in the middle of
nowhere by myself, not at work and whatever, and I
was texting Chris Jericho actually, and he was sort of
checking you on me during that time when you're saying,
how's it going, man, whatever, and I said, it's actually
really not good, A, B and C whatever, and he
(14:08):
said he's like, yeah, it sucks, man. They're they're making
you the scapegoat for the whole thing. And as soon
as I saw that, I just I was like, that
is that's cool. I like that And I never actually like,
I've known the word obviously scapegoat whatever, but I didn't
think it was a literal goat. So I was like,
let me just google where this comes from. And I
googled it and it's like this ancient religious thing where
(14:32):
people would take a goat once a year and sacrifice
it for all their sins, or they would just send
it out in the wilderness to die to like the
devil or something, and then they had this kind of
image of I was like, oh, that's pretty cool, like
they're out here like sacrificing goats. I don't know, And
that's kind of how I felt at the time too.
I've just been sent off into the wilderness. So I
(14:55):
started then looking into stuff and I that kind of
gave me an image of somewhere to go with it,
and I was just looking online for goat mask. Maybe
I don't know why I thought of that, and I
found it and a woman here in California she makes
these crazy halloween masks and they're super cool. And once
I saw this, I was like, Okay, I can see
(15:15):
what I'm going for here, and I kind of developed.
I felt like there it could have been more fleshed out.
But to me, there were like two elements of it,
and one was this kind of like cult leader element,
which was like more when it was me, and then
the other one was the goat, which is the sacrifice.
And it was this idea of like me saying like
(15:37):
we all have to sacrifice, and I willing to sacrifice myself,
and then I am the goat who's being sacrificed as well.
So it became I don't know, and I was like
figuring it out as I went, obviously, but I felt
it was cool to have this sort of double thing
of me wanting everyone to sacrifice the way I felt
I had had to, but then also me always being
willing to sacrifice and you talk about the blood and guts.
(15:59):
That to me it was cool to uh, you know,
there's obviously some symbolic stuff, but I'm tied up there
and I'm willing to get my skull bashed in with
a chair or be lit on fire sort of, so
I don't know it all. It all kind of became
more and more, and I was figuring it out as
I went and sort of being inspired by movies and things.
(16:21):
The movie No Country for Old Man. I don't know
why that really stuck with me. I saw it that
year and I was like, there were things here that
I could put into this. And but again, it just
freed me up in a way to see things and
like things and think new things that I think if
I had just shown up as Jungle Boy one day
and like, hey guys, I want to do this, everyone
(16:41):
would have been like, what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Right right right?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, Well it was very cerebral.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like the way it was presented.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I mean, it just felt it just felt dangerous, you
know what I mean. Like it was especially kind of
coming after all the events that have been happening and
pro wrestling and stuff. It just was such an exclamation point,
it felt like, you know, and it was really awesome
to just to kind of see you grow, and that
(17:10):
I guess is.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
The best way to explain it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, it was very awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, thank you man. It was Some people didn't like it,
but that's just how it works. I I loved it,
and it was some of the most fun I've ever had,
and I'm I'm grateful that I got to have that. Yeah,
and I'm definitely keeping a fair amount of it going forward.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Uh, you know recently there, well, first thing we got
to say is we Tony Kahan announced the we're finally
getting women's tag team titles.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'm sure there's someone in your orbit that's happy about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I've been hearing about it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
There has been a kind of a renewed interest in
inter gender tag team wrestling. A lot of kind of
marquee matches over the last like five to six weeks
have been going on with inter gender tag team wrestling.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that something you'd be interested in it all down
the road?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I think if it's you know, sure, the right scenario.
It kind of just depends on what and when and
why and whatever, But I think that could be interesting. Yeah,
I guess there is more of it. I kind of
hadn't thought about that till you said it. But yeah,
we'll see. You know, it depends who and what and
(18:22):
how goes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But yeah, yeah, awesome, solid tary.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sure of course, super excited about AW celebrating six year
anniversary tomorrow night, which again, it's incredible because you look
at it and there's a lot of people online that
wanted to count out AEW that they weren't gonna last
for a year, and here we are six years later
and still going strong. Now, I one thing I want
to ask you about because you see this and everybody
(18:48):
talks about creative input when it comes to AW, and
everybody's got their own opinions on it. But from your
entrance music to the gear to the storylines you're in,
how much creative input do you have these days? Because
everybody that we've talked to talk to from AW says
that Tony is always open to any and everything that's
been thrown his way.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know, I guess some people get more than others.
Some people who I wish probably didn't have it, get more,
uh than you'd want. But anyways, for me, at this point,
I feel like I you know, obviously they there are
some things you can't do. But like, for example, uh
was it last year the year before, I wanted to
(19:32):
get lit on fire and that was something that I
had sort of experimented with. And when I said it,
everyone was like, are you sure about that? Do you want?
I sent a video of me lighting myself on fire
in the yard just to show like, yeah, I'm serious. Like,
and I got to, you know, come to fruition. I
just I had started in my time off in the
(19:53):
Scapegoad thing kind of filming my own vignettes in my garage.
I did one with a film projector and one with
a bunch of TVs, and so I kind of felt
I found this style. And I just I had said
with the Lucasaurus Saw revival thing, I was like, I
have this idea and I want to dig a coffin
up and then hitch it to my bus and drive
(20:14):
it down the street because I think it will make
a bunch of sparks on the street and that'll look
really cool. And they were like, all right, yeah, if
you can, you know, make that happen, we can do that.
And I did it and they sent out the film crew.
This guy John Carlow, he's he's the mastermind behind a
lot of the filming stuff. Dan the prop guy who's
(20:37):
unnamed and in the shadows, but he was awesome made
it work, and so yeah, we just I then for
real got to drive a coffin down the street in
the middle of the night and spark it up and
all this stuff. So I found within reason, I pretty
much can bring whatever I want to the table and
make it happen.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, absolutely right, I will say this.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And it's been really fun to watch because we follow
you on social media watching your knife making videos. This
has been incredible, by the way, any any what what
kind of got you into this, because I mean it's
I watch forged in fire and it's very unique that
you could take this little piece.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Of steel and make a sword or a dagger or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And it's gotta be also calming for you to like
at the end, you're like, I made this, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I uh. I get to keep one with me all
the time. It's one of my little ones right here.
They're not the best. I'm still working on it, but
it's a little kind of going back here too. This
is the one I was wearing in the ring. It
all out when I went back in a little pocket sheet.
But the way that all came about it is funny
because it is related to wrestling as well. I had
(21:53):
I had sort of gotten into this idea. I made
this vignette with these TVs and I wanted to make
this mask that was like almost a mirror kind of
that was like reflecting the TVs back and all, and
I got that ended up not happening, but I was
experimenting with how a mirror is made, and it's like
a little layer of tin, so I and you can
(22:15):
actually melt tein in a pan on the oven. So
I got into that and that didn't work. But I
was then into the idea of metal melting and and
I actually for Christmas that you got me this like
it's just like a little what do you call it,
like a crucible thing and you throw soda cans in
it and melt it. So I was just doing that
in my off time making whatever. And then I won
(22:35):
the TNT title And at first people used to change
the color of the leather all the time, and I
thought that was cool because it's like a little spin on.
Each guy has it. When I got it, I said, hey, guys,
can I change the leather. I thought that was really
cool and I wanted to put some like maybe animal
fur something, and somebody said, no, you can't change the leather,
(22:58):
and especially at that time, I was like, oh, okay,
very good. And I got to thinking and I was like,
I think I could just make a belt because I
for sure am changing it. And the fact that you
told me now that I can't like one thousand percent,
and I'm going to change it more than you ever thought.
(23:18):
So I got one of the replicas and I went
and started molding it with the sand and all that
and melting, and it took me like a week to
get it perfect, but I ended up getting it. And
then I was like, I'm changing this thing as much
as I can, and I painted it black and put
blood and all this stuff, and that ended up being
my TNT title, which I appear somewhere. But then that
(23:38):
sort of seeing that I could do that, because I
wasn't sure I could do but I was like, I'm
pretty sure. Seeing that I could make that just sort
of got me more into the idea of metal stuff.
And then I ended up with another long period of
time off and I kind of was like, let me
see if I can make a knife, and I the
(24:00):
first one I made was terrible, and then I was like,
I think I could do a little better and a
little better. And then I kept having more and more
time off and this, and then I was like, I'm
just gonna go for it. And it's sort of transitioned
into this thing that uh, you know, they're not They're
not amazing or anything, but I can see them getting
better at it and it's kind of fun. And it's
(24:21):
ended up now being incorporated into the wrestling in a
way that I didn't think was gonna happen. It was
just me trying to kill time at home, but that
also has kind of ended up lending itself to the
character a bit. I don't know, it's it's just freedom
to kind of integrate all this stuff. But yeah, I
(24:43):
got these little things. I just something to tag around
with at home.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I have a feeling not only are we going to
see Jack Perry on AW, I think we're gonna see
him on an episode of Forged and Firebary.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We'll see. I'm not I'm not good enough yet, but
one of these days I'll keep at it and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Man, it's great to have you on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I know a lot of fans, including myself and Eli,
are very excited to have you back, especially after that
reunion of you and Lucasaurus. Last question for you because
we always like to have fun at the end of
the show. Obviously Tarzan Boy iconic theme song for you.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But with this new era that you're.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Coming into, if you could pick somebody to do your
new theme song coming out, who would you pick.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's hard to say, And it's funny. We were talking
about this and there's this kind of I mean, we're
gonna see, we don't know. We're just throwing it all
out the wall and seeing if it works. The people
love the song so much, I don't know if we
can go with that. And for me it was really
cool too. They started singing it before it even played,
and I think now when you see the two of
(25:52):
us together, it's like, that's what you So I'm interested
to see if we can kind of have this duality
of like all this kind of darker stuff while that
music is playing, which I don't know, like this is
not the same at all, but like White Lotus, for example,
which I watch, it's like it's all on the surface
(26:14):
kind of very nice, and they're in a hotel and
all this, and then there's a murder going on underneath,
and I feel like there are a lot of shows
and things like that. I will take this. I have
no idea about new music because I haven't thought about
it when I when I first when I first turned heel,
it was just a little I had. We'd been talked
about getting me a song by Alice in Chains called
(26:34):
them bones. That's what I don't know why, that's what
I had always seen and I really wanted that, and
that ended up falling through, I guess, and they told
me maybe an hour or thirty minutes before I went out.
We didn't get that. It didn't work. You're gonna go
out with no music and you're just gonna like talk
and I was like okay, And then they came back
twenty minutes A friend there, actually you're going out to Beethoven.
(26:58):
What the hell is going on here? And then that
was what it was forbid. So I don't know about
the new music. But that's that's a little fun story
in place of that awesome.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well Jack again, it's such an honor and our privileged
to have you here on the show with us today
and again, like I said, we're we're trying not to
mark out, but who cares.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
This is our show. We can mark out.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So great to have you here on the show, to
see you start from where you were day one to
where you are now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Super excited for you for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
And before we let you go, anything you want to
say to people watching or listening to this right now.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, just stay tuned. Man. It's been a wild ride.
I can't believe it's been six years. It feels like
a whole life time almost. But the best is yet
to come. I firmly believe that. And we're having fun.
I hope you guys are having fun too. It's wrestling.
Just enjoy it.
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