December 18, 2023 • 18 mins
In this episode of "Behind The Curtain," John Maples and Show Cattle enthusiast Brent Becker discuss Holdovers vs. Fall Borns.
John also shares a story that he says might be considered “controversial.”
Reach John Maples at 334-703-0923 (he says texts work great for him). Or find him on Facebook. (He is the one pictured with his family and a goat).
John also shares a story that he says might be considered “controversial.”
Reach John Maples at 334-703-0923 (he says texts work great for him). Or find him on Facebook. (He is the one pictured with his family and a goat).
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(00:01):
Welcome to Behind the Curtain. Inthis podcast, show cattle expert John Maples
from Alabama gives his unique perspective andtakes a look behind the curtain and everything
behind the scenes from the show Cattleworld. Reach John with questions at three
three four seven zero three zero ninetwo three, or find him on Facebook.
(00:24):
Find details in the show notes foreach podcast. And now John Maple
Behind the Curtains, and we arestarting with Coffee Talk and Piggy Mails.
Hi. My name is producer ShelbySlash aka Buttons. John Maple's right there,
(00:45):
see you, Good to see you. Hey, this is a super
fun podcast. Everybody needs to share. And if they're in this little niche
of what we call show Cattle,and you're still listening, this is a
episode number four, Well, Ithink the I think they like it.
If they're still listening, if they'rebinge listening John, Well, I mean
I haven't ran them off yet yetyet. And the third voice you hear
(01:08):
is it's a person that I know. He's in the show Cattle family.
His name is Brent Becker, andhe's gonna just kind of chit chat with
John because y'all are in the sameworld. And the same knowledge, and
you kind of know what we're talkingabout. And John's shedding a light behind
the curtain on the show Cattle World, I guess is kind of the description
(01:30):
of the show, right John,Yeah, I mean that's the whole start,
is just kind of what's going onbehind the scene and instead of just
hitting the hot topics and the obviousthings, actually, you know, what
does it take to get there?What's really happening? And yeah, that's
the whole purpose of the show.I did notice you did have pigs,
pigs and Christmas dancing going on.Yes, it was super fun. And
here's Cal's mooing, of course,yes, and how you're getting somewhere?
(01:53):
Yes. And Brent Becker, you'vebeen known to tell a joker to Yeah,
I needy cow jokes. I'm puttingyou on the spot. Man.
You had to do it when Iwasn't ready for it. Okay, I
won't put you on the spot,mister Brent Becker. Let's move forward,
but I will ask you this question. Brent, why was the cow afraid?
I don't know why was the cowafraid? He was a cow herd?
(02:17):
John, why do cows have hoofsinstead of feet? No clue they
lacked toose. I know that's terrible, Yes, sir, so I was
run over by a cow yesterday,but no worries and I was only grazed.
Okay, that's enough of that.Okay, all right, enough of
(02:38):
that. Okay, So little coffeetalk. Yeah, So a little bit
later on, we're gonna chat aboutHoldovers versus Fallborn, so y'all stay tuned
for that. But John, youhad a story and you said it might
be perceived as controversial. Do youwant to go into it? I mean,
the whole thing about this is behindthe curtain and just things that happen,
(02:58):
and I want people to reach outand just kind of dive in because
I would love to make this industryas good as it can be, and
I would also love to see theright things done. You know, we're
just finishing up the fall show scene, and I was talking to Brent about
you know, I wasn't at theshow, but I've heard from two or
three different people and I've heard it. I've heard it discuss, you know
(03:21):
over there in Georgia at the Invitationalshow the second weekend and Perry, Uh,
there's the semital. They were inthe steer show and the Semital division,
and all of a sudden, youknow they're getting into the lightweights,
middleweights and they get into the heavyweightdivision of the Semital steers, and you
(03:44):
know, everybody calls classes. Youknow, your class, Class twenty three
is coming in the ring. Classtwenty four is on deck and waiting for
the makeup area. And there's acalf that's uh, that's not at the
not not at the makeup area.And the calf standing at the door of
the building and uh, you know, person says, hey, a's the
(04:04):
caf. It's supposed to be inthe makeup ring. Supposed to be going
in there. The class A frontof them is finishing up, and why
didn't they come on up? Well, I mean, well they were they
were told. You know, officialswent over there and said, hey,
come on, and they said,well, you know, they basically said,
uh, well, we're gonna comewhen we're ready. We're waiting on
(04:25):
some guys. And the calf wasthere, the showman was there. They
weren't they weren't. They weren't waitingfor any entry card. I did double
check. There was not an entrycard, weight card or anything. Kid
had their showstick. Everything was properand ready to go. They were waiting
on some steerjocks from the barns onthe hills to get down there to tell
(04:45):
the calf in the ring. AndI've double checked with two or three different
sources, and I keep getting thesame story every single time. So they
missed their class. Oh no,I mean yeah, that's kind of yeah,
that's what I thought. You know, if you're gonna sit there and
not make it in your there bythe door and you know you're sitting there.
But no, they stopped the show, waited for guys to get down
there tell the calf, you know, from the entry of the building through
(05:09):
the makeup ring, all the wayup to the entry where the ring where
the kids would go in and showtheir calf, walk the calf in the
ring, make eye contact with thejudges and everything. Pretty much just stop
the show just to let folks getcertain people to tell the calf in the
ring. That's as far as Ican make. I can tell from the
story, and every single one's thesame thing that's happening, and it raises
(05:33):
an opera. How did the calfdo? He won the class? Yeah?
I mean, I you know,call spade a spade. What happens,
what happens. But at the sametime, you know, these things
need to I mean, there's actuallyrules about this. I looked it up.
That's rule twenty six in the handbook. I think just an ag teacher
(05:55):
or are a parent is allowed togo through. You know, you know,
there's there's reasons we have these rules. And uh a question, Okay,
what was the problem. The problemis is someone knows the judge and
they want to be telling the calfand the rings of the judge sees them,
and then that that calf, youknow, you would know who's grooming
(06:15):
the calf, raised the calf,blah blah blah, you know, the
whole big political mess that's associated withit. That would be the issue.
That's why rule twenty six exists.Is it exists to limit those situations from
occurring. It's a good, healthyrule. And if the rule is not
going to be followed, let's let'stake the rule out. Like you know,
I'm all about playing about the samebooks. I'm about getting along with
(06:39):
people. However, the same time, I've heard that story too, or
the three different times, and itis a little concerning, and you know,
it's just one of those things beingbehind the curtain. Pulling the curtain
back is actually shedding light upon thethings because we as an industry can do
better. And I am sick andtired of staying quiet. And there's piles
(07:03):
of people sick and tired of stayingquiet, and their only way is just
shed light on things, talk aboutthings, because everybody's got the same goal.
We're raising children, we're raising families. Everybody has the same goal.
You want to do this the bestway. However, you know, I
would love to say, boy,I went to that show and I saw
(07:25):
that judge Neellet, and I'm sayingthat less and less all the time.
I can't remember the last time Idid say And I'd just like to have
a segment of the show where Iencourage people to reach out and to discuss
And I'm not throwing anybody under thebus. I'm not dragging anybody's name through
the mud. However, these thingsneed to be discussed, and they need
to be talked about. And Ijust think, you know, as far
(07:46):
as we're going to talk about showcattle, show Heifer's, we're going to
talk about the show industry. There'sno reason we can't dive into some of
this in a respectful manner. Seemslike too just going to shows. A
lot hit me was when you said, hey, they stopped the show and
waited for him. And I cantell you a lot of times we've been
in situations where they're calling for usand we're hustling to get there, and
(08:09):
the threat always is we're not waiting. We're not going to hold up this
whole show for you. So ifsomebody had that kind of cloud, that's
interesting to me, Well, well, it's just it. We've all been
there. If you've done this foryour lifetime, we've all been there in
fat Calves missed their class. Youknow, we're grooming them. We didn't
(08:30):
get our preparation done in time.It's unfortunate you have Calves missed your class.
You know, that is what That'ssomething that's happened to everybody. It's
a whole other situation when you stoppedthe show and you know that needs to
be ready. Yeah, when you'rethere and you're ready, Yeah, it's
it sheds light on something. Justjust bringing these topics up, and you
(08:52):
know, the only way we're goingto move forward is if we actually speak
up at times and that's what Ihope I can encourage. This'd be a
good time for you to give younumber. And also, y'all can find
John Maples on Facebook. Yeah,you can call find me on Facebook.
I'm pretty old school. Just youknow my phone numbers three three, four,
seven oh three nine two three.I would love for this to grow
into turn into something where we canshed light on things and we can improve
(09:15):
our industry. And the only wayto do that is to talk and to
have accountability, to have transparency,and uh, that's kind of what I'd
love to encourage. So reach outto me and you shoot me a text
message, and uh, we justsee what's out there and see see how
the general audience takes this and receivesit. And now we will segue into
(09:39):
our main topic, more cows.Please, thank you, John Maples.
Okay, so you have this outstandingguest in studio for this particular topic.
Do you want to reintroduce our guestsand then we'll go into the topic.
I'll shoot Brent Becker's here with mein studio, and Brent's Brent's a guy
(10:01):
I heard his name back in theday of somebody from Minnesota coming down to
Alabama. Sama, yeah, that'strue. And then uh, roll gophers,
No yeah, and then oh,brent on Brent for a while end
up as y'all Son London showed Calvesand uh just developed a great relationship and
(10:24):
uh and we had just things incommon and we chit chat every now and
then. And I asked him ifhe'd come on and be on the podcast,
we could maybe talk about a fewthings and maybe some in depth report
on maybe the difference between holdovers andfallborns and how the industry's changing and something
we can sink our teeth into.And thought Brent would be a guy that
would find this interesting as well.Okay, y'all dive into it, because
(10:48):
I don't know, I mean holdover. I thought that was like what my
dad used to do on his hair. No, that was a coma ba
Okay, well, I guess froma buyer point and someone who follows a
bunch of sales online, just realstudent of all that stuff. My question
was always when I would read thatthis is a holdover, what does that
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mean? Hold over for what?Or where? Or you know, what's
that mean? But it basically meansthe calf's a little older. Let's say
let's say you're feeding that calf andyou got him to eleven hundred for the
endpoint show, or you got himto twelve hundred for your endpoint show,
and he's still not quite he's onlytwelve fifty and they're still near picking cattle
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that weigh thirteen forty fourteen hundred.You know, they're picking big cap,
big stout cattle, and he's justnot quite heavy enough yet. And easy
way to do it is give thatcalf another two three months, give him
another six months. I mean,we we feed cattle and feed yards up
to thirty months a lot of times. For white tablecloth restaurants and hack back
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in the day, we just wouldtake an August calf and feed it September
calf, October calf, feed itfor a spring show, and that thing's
only fifteen sixteen months of age andthere's actually more left on the table.
We're not getting that maturity advantage andjust that slang term holdover while you jump
on se online sales or steer bitteror whatever thing you might be addicted to
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on your cell phone. That's basicallywhat you're looking at is just getting that
right maturity for the cattle. Andheck, it's actually it's actually kind of
crosses. It's in the heifers,it's into steers. It's getting the right
age calf for that show, forthat project. So that also kind of
seemed like, you know, thesenot all animals are created equals. So
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at ween in time, some ofthem may really took off on the creep
feed. Some of them maybe didn'teven have creep feed. So you might
get a green calf that's built rightand he maybe wouldn't make the end show
like the same age calf, sohe'd be a good one to hold over,
and he kind of catches back upand then you know you he just
takes him a little longer to getthere. Yeah, I mean, that's
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that's just now on the head whenyou if you're working with a guy that
does this for a living and they'vegot a pile of cattle, you pull
up there and there's one hundred headwalking around. They have different endpoints for
all these things, and you'll havedifferent ages for all these things. But
then you'll have you'll have some cattle. Yeah, a little smaller, little
more. Here's your term. You'rehear judges talk about later maturing and they're
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going to go into later and thenyou'll have shows for the state fairs.
Those are August. Those are bigcattle. They're gonna get up, they're
gonna grow, they're gonna perform,they're gonna get there quick. You have
calves that will call fall shows.That thing's for. You're going to go
to a Tulsa, it's going todo to a Kansas city, it's going
to go to a Louisville. Yourfall show cattle, actually fall show cattle
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have to have some size about them. That's still you're rolling them over to
the fall. However, there's alot of cattle that can go to a
state fair. You can feed them, change them a little differ differently,
and they fit a fall show justfine. And then your holdovers fall in
place when you start getting into yourmonth of February, your month of March.
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Those are where those cattle that youdo roll over for five six months
and they're approaching twenty four months ofage, twenty six, twenty seven months
of age. That's where those cattlereally start maturing. And we've done this
to ourselves because it's basically back inthe day, we used to all show
fall borns and we'd have August cattleon September cattle. We'd feed them for
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spring shows that those were heat waves, and they were back on myer seven
thirty four cows. Those things aregrowing, they're performing, they're putting on
two and a half three pounds aday. Now. We're taking here I
am grandson's heat wave grandsons like hereI am are and in God we trust
and son, and we're we're puttingthem back on monopoly cows. We're putting
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them back on a Fu Manchu cow. And we've just lined the pedigrees up.
They're just not as big as theyonce were. And it's taking an
older one and an older one timeand time again, and that's just kind
of the differences. And it's actuallywhen you're breeding them and you're making them
or you're looking for them. Youknow, it's one of the things that's
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kind of fun once you start divinginto it. I get that seems like,
you know, these not all themama's milk is good and all that.
So there's some of those that arebehind still have a lot of potential
and can can turn out if youcan just find the right endpoint for them.
Yeah, if you find the rightendpoint for them, and they's still
a market. You know. Itry to keep up with this and fallborns.
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I call this hold over verse fallborns. Fallborn cattle still matter, And
to believe it or not, fallborncattle matter for the slick market in my
opinion. And that is the onething. When you shear these things off
and you take all the hair offof them, they still have to have
muscle, they still have to haveshape. And then if you've got an
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older calf, you know you canfind the right one that's the right size
that you can push the corn andthe carbohydrates to them, and you can
get that shape and that pop outof them. But fallborn cattle still matter.
When you're trying to go to Houston, you're trying to go to Austin.
You're trying to share those things off. Because a slick sheer steer has
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to be a little shorter, aslic shear steer has to have top shape.
They have to have muscle shape.Fallborn cattle are going to have a
place in the industry going forward becauseof that. However, the way these
things just the right niche and puttingthat calf in the right spot is kind
of important, and it is thedifference between the holdovers and the falls.
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However, I'm still a fan offalls. I've raised so many I couldn't
even think. However, it's justgetting the right calf for the right situation.
That's the ultimate goals, because you'reat the end of the day,
you're trying to make happy cause customers. At the end of the day,
you're trying to make happy families.And that sounds like a great stopping point.
Guys. Yeah, I like thatHoldovers versus Fallborn's John Maples. We've
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got a special guest. We finallylocated our friend Will Meadows, so we're
going to have him on for thenext podcast. Will Yes, So that'll
be in just a little bit.And again we invite you guys to please
listen back to the first four,including this one, and then we'll see
what happens from there. Brent Becker, thank you for being our special guest
commentator. Well, folks, thereyou have it. Sorry Will the next
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one. Sorry Will, I didn'tmean to steal your thunder. We'll explain
that one on the next one.All right, guys, thank you.
This has been Behind the Curtains hostedby John Maples, produced and edited by
Shelby Mitchell. Views expressed in thispodcast are not necessarily those of the producer,
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three zero nine two three or findhim on Facebook. You can also find
details in the show notes for eachpodcast. Thanks for listening to Behind the Curtain.
Welcome to Behind the Curtain. Inthis podcast, show cattle expert John Maples
from Alabama gives his unique perspective andtakes a look behind the curtain and everything
behind the scenes from the show Cattleworld. Reach John with questions at three
three four seven zero three zero ninetwo three, or find him on Facebook.
(00:24):
Find details in the show notes foreach podcast. And now John Maple
Behind the Curtains, and we arestarting with Coffee Talk and Piggy Mails.
Hi. My name is producer ShelbySlash aka Buttons. John Maple's right there,
(00:45):
see you, Good to see you. Hey, this is a super
fun podcast. Everybody needs to share. And if they're in this little niche
of what we call show Cattle,and you're still listening, this is a
episode number four, Well, Ithink the I think they like it.
If they're still listening, if they'rebinge listening John, Well, I mean
I haven't ran them off yet yetyet. And the third voice you hear
(01:08):
is it's a person that I know. He's in the show Cattle family.
His name is Brent Becker, andhe's gonna just kind of chit chat with
John because y'all are in the sameworld. And the same knowledge, and
you kind of know what we're talkingabout. And John's shedding a light behind
the curtain on the show Cattle World, I guess is kind of the description
(01:30):
of the show, right John,Yeah, I mean that's the whole start,
is just kind of what's going onbehind the scene and instead of just
hitting the hot topics and the obviousthings, actually, you know, what
does it take to get there?What's really happening? And yeah, that's
the whole purpose of the show.I did notice you did have pigs,
pigs and Christmas dancing going on.Yes, it was super fun. And
here's Cal's mooing, of course,yes, and how you're getting somewhere?
(01:53):
Yes. And Brent Becker, you'vebeen known to tell a joker to Yeah,
I needy cow jokes. I'm puttingyou on the spot. Man.
You had to do it when Iwasn't ready for it. Okay, I
won't put you on the spot,mister Brent Becker. Let's move forward,
but I will ask you this question. Brent, why was the cow afraid?
I don't know why was the cowafraid? He was a cow herd?
(02:17):
John, why do cows have hoofsinstead of feet? No clue they
lacked toose. I know that's terrible, Yes, sir, so I was
run over by a cow yesterday,but no worries and I was only grazed.
Okay, that's enough of that.Okay, all right, enough of
(02:38):
that. Okay, So little coffeetalk. Yeah, So a little bit
later on, we're gonna chat aboutHoldovers versus Fallborn, so y'all stay tuned
for that. But John, youhad a story and you said it might
be perceived as controversial. Do youwant to go into it? I mean,
the whole thing about this is behindthe curtain and just things that happen,
(02:58):
and I want people to reach outand just kind of dive in because
I would love to make this industryas good as it can be, and
I would also love to see theright things done. You know, we're
just finishing up the fall show scene, and I was talking to Brent about
you know, I wasn't at theshow, but I've heard from two or
three different people and I've heard it. I've heard it discuss, you know
(03:21):
over there in Georgia at the Invitationalshow the second weekend and Perry, Uh,
there's the semital. They were inthe steer show and the Semital division,
and all of a sudden, youknow they're getting into the lightweights,
middleweights and they get into the heavyweightdivision of the Semital steers, and you
(03:44):
know, everybody calls classes. Youknow, your class, Class twenty three
is coming in the ring. Classtwenty four is on deck and waiting for
the makeup area. And there's acalf that's uh, that's not at the
not not at the makeup area.And the calf standing at the door of
the building and uh, you know, person says, hey, a's the
(04:04):
caf. It's supposed to be inthe makeup ring. Supposed to be going
in there. The class A frontof them is finishing up, and why
didn't they come on up? Well, I mean, well they were they
were told. You know, officialswent over there and said, hey,
come on, and they said,well, you know, they basically said,
uh, well, we're gonna comewhen we're ready. We're waiting on
(04:25):
some guys. And the calf wasthere, the showman was there. They
weren't they weren't. They weren't waitingfor any entry card. I did double
check. There was not an entrycard, weight card or anything. Kid
had their showstick. Everything was properand ready to go. They were waiting
on some steerjocks from the barns onthe hills to get down there to tell
(04:45):
the calf in the ring. AndI've double checked with two or three different
sources, and I keep getting thesame story every single time. So they
missed their class. Oh no,I mean yeah, that's kind of yeah,
that's what I thought. You know, if you're gonna sit there and
not make it in your there bythe door and you know you're sitting there.
But no, they stopped the show, waited for guys to get down
there tell the calf, you know, from the entry of the building through
(05:09):
the makeup ring, all the wayup to the entry where the ring where
the kids would go in and showtheir calf, walk the calf in the
ring, make eye contact with thejudges and everything. Pretty much just stop
the show just to let folks getcertain people to tell the calf in the
ring. That's as far as Ican make. I can tell from the
story, and every single one's thesame thing that's happening, and it raises
(05:33):
an opera. How did the calfdo? He won the class? Yeah?
I mean, I you know,call spade a spade. What happens,
what happens. But at the sametime, you know, these things
need to I mean, there's actuallyrules about this. I looked it up.
That's rule twenty six in the handbook. I think just an ag teacher
(05:55):
or are a parent is allowed togo through. You know, you know,
there's there's reasons we have these rules. And uh a question, Okay,
what was the problem. The problemis is someone knows the judge and
they want to be telling the calfand the rings of the judge sees them,
and then that that calf, youknow, you would know who's grooming
(06:15):
the calf, raised the calf,blah blah blah, you know, the
whole big political mess that's associated withit. That would be the issue.
That's why rule twenty six exists.Is it exists to limit those situations from
occurring. It's a good, healthyrule. And if the rule is not
going to be followed, let's let'stake the rule out. Like you know,
I'm all about playing about the samebooks. I'm about getting along with
(06:39):
people. However, the same time, I've heard that story too, or
the three different times, and itis a little concerning, and you know,
it's just one of those things beingbehind the curtain. Pulling the curtain
back is actually shedding light upon thethings because we as an industry can do
better. And I am sick andtired of staying quiet. And there's piles
(07:03):
of people sick and tired of stayingquiet, and their only way is just
shed light on things, talk aboutthings, because everybody's got the same goal.
We're raising children, we're raising families. Everybody has the same goal.
You want to do this the bestway. However, you know, I
would love to say, boy,I went to that show and I saw
(07:25):
that judge Neellet, and I'm sayingthat less and less all the time.
I can't remember the last time Idid say And I'd just like to have
a segment of the show where Iencourage people to reach out and to discuss
And I'm not throwing anybody under thebus. I'm not dragging anybody's name through
the mud. However, these thingsneed to be discussed, and they need
to be talked about. And Ijust think, you know, as far
(07:46):
as we're going to talk about showcattle, show Heifer's, we're going to
talk about the show industry. There'sno reason we can't dive into some of
this in a respectful manner. Seemslike too just going to shows. A
lot hit me was when you said, hey, they stopped the show and
waited for him. And I cantell you a lot of times we've been
in situations where they're calling for usand we're hustling to get there, and
(08:09):
the threat always is we're not waiting. We're not going to hold up this
whole show for you. So ifsomebody had that kind of cloud, that's
interesting to me, Well, well, it's just it. We've all been
there. If you've done this foryour lifetime, we've all been there in
fat Calves missed their class. Youknow, we're grooming them. We didn't
(08:30):
get our preparation done in time.It's unfortunate you have Calves missed your class.
You know, that is what That'ssomething that's happened to everybody. It's
a whole other situation when you stoppedthe show and you know that needs to
be ready. Yeah, when you'rethere and you're ready, Yeah, it's
it sheds light on something. Justjust bringing these topics up, and you
(08:52):
know, the only way we're goingto move forward is if we actually speak
up at times and that's what Ihope I can encourage. This'd be a
good time for you to give younumber. And also, y'all can find
John Maples on Facebook. Yeah,you can call find me on Facebook.
I'm pretty old school. Just youknow my phone numbers three three, four,
seven oh three nine two three.I would love for this to grow
into turn into something where we canshed light on things and we can improve
(09:15):
our industry. And the only wayto do that is to talk and to
have accountability, to have transparency,and uh, that's kind of what I'd
love to encourage. So reach outto me and you shoot me a text
message, and uh, we justsee what's out there and see see how
the general audience takes this and receivesit. And now we will segue into
(09:39):
our main topic, more cows.Please, thank you, John Maples.
Okay, so you have this outstandingguest in studio for this particular topic.
Do you want to reintroduce our guestsand then we'll go into the topic.
I'll shoot Brent Becker's here with mein studio, and Brent's Brent's a guy
(10:01):
I heard his name back in theday of somebody from Minnesota coming down to
Alabama. Sama, yeah, that'strue. And then uh, roll gophers,
No yeah, and then oh,brent on Brent for a while end
up as y'all Son London showed Calvesand uh just developed a great relationship and
(10:24):
uh and we had just things incommon and we chit chat every now and
then. And I asked him ifhe'd come on and be on the podcast,
we could maybe talk about a fewthings and maybe some in depth report
on maybe the difference between holdovers andfallborns and how the industry's changing and something
we can sink our teeth into.And thought Brent would be a guy that
would find this interesting as well.Okay, y'all dive into it, because
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I don't know, I mean holdover. I thought that was like what my
dad used to do on his hair. No, that was a coma ba
Okay, well, I guess froma buyer point and someone who follows a
bunch of sales online, just realstudent of all that stuff. My question
was always when I would read thatthis is a holdover, what does that
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mean? Hold over for what?Or where? Or you know, what's
that mean? But it basically meansthe calf's a little older. Let's say
let's say you're feeding that calf andyou got him to eleven hundred for the
endpoint show, or you got himto twelve hundred for your endpoint show,
and he's still not quite he's onlytwelve fifty and they're still near picking cattle
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that weigh thirteen forty fourteen hundred.You know, they're picking big cap,
big stout cattle, and he's justnot quite heavy enough yet. And easy
way to do it is give thatcalf another two three months, give him
another six months. I mean,we we feed cattle and feed yards up
to thirty months a lot of times. For white tablecloth restaurants and hack back
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in the day, we just wouldtake an August calf and feed it September
calf, October calf, feed itfor a spring show, and that thing's
only fifteen sixteen months of age andthere's actually more left on the table.
We're not getting that maturity advantage andjust that slang term holdover while you jump
on se online sales or steer bitteror whatever thing you might be addicted to
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on your cell phone. That's basicallywhat you're looking at is just getting that
right maturity for the cattle. Andheck, it's actually it's actually kind of
crosses. It's in the heifers,it's into steers. It's getting the right
age calf for that show, forthat project. So that also kind of
seemed like, you know, thesenot all animals are created equals. So
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at ween in time, some ofthem may really took off on the creep
feed. Some of them maybe didn'teven have creep feed. So you might
get a green calf that's built rightand he maybe wouldn't make the end show
like the same age calf, sohe'd be a good one to hold over,
and he kind of catches back upand then you know you he just
takes him a little longer to getthere. Yeah, I mean, that's
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that's just now on the head whenyou if you're working with a guy that
does this for a living and they'vegot a pile of cattle, you pull
up there and there's one hundred headwalking around. They have different endpoints for
all these things, and you'll havedifferent ages for all these things. But
then you'll have you'll have some cattle. Yeah, a little smaller, little
more. Here's your term. You'rehear judges talk about later maturing and they're
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going to go into later and thenyou'll have shows for the state fairs.
Those are August. Those are bigcattle. They're gonna get up, they're
gonna grow, they're gonna perform,they're gonna get there quick. You have
calves that will call fall shows.That thing's for. You're going to go
to a Tulsa, it's going todo to a Kansas city, it's going
to go to a Louisville. Yourfall show cattle, actually fall show cattle
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have to have some size about them. That's still you're rolling them over to
the fall. However, there's alot of cattle that can go to a
state fair. You can feed them, change them a little differ differently,
and they fit a fall show justfine. And then your holdovers fall in
place when you start getting into yourmonth of February, your month of March.
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Those are where those cattle that youdo roll over for five six months
and they're approaching twenty four months ofage, twenty six, twenty seven months
of age. That's where those cattlereally start maturing. And we've done this
to ourselves because it's basically back inthe day, we used to all show
fall borns and we'd have August cattleon September cattle. We'd feed them for
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spring shows that those were heat waves, and they were back on myer seven
thirty four cows. Those things aregrowing, they're performing, they're putting on
two and a half three pounds aday. Now. We're taking here I
am grandson's heat wave grandsons like hereI am are and in God we trust
and son, and we're we're puttingthem back on monopoly cows. We're putting
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them back on a Fu Manchu cow. And we've just lined the pedigrees up.
They're just not as big as theyonce were. And it's taking an
older one and an older one timeand time again, and that's just kind
of the differences. And it's actuallywhen you're breeding them and you're making them
or you're looking for them. Youknow, it's one of the things that's
(15:15):
kind of fun once you start divinginto it. I get that seems like,
you know, these not all themama's milk is good and all that.
So there's some of those that arebehind still have a lot of potential
and can can turn out if youcan just find the right endpoint for them.
Yeah, if you find the rightendpoint for them, and they's still
a market. You know. Itry to keep up with this and fallborns.
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I call this hold over verse fallborns. Fallborn cattle still matter, And
to believe it or not, fallborncattle matter for the slick market in my
opinion. And that is the onething. When you shear these things off
and you take all the hair offof them, they still have to have
muscle, they still have to haveshape. And then if you've got an
(16:00):
older calf, you know you canfind the right one that's the right size
that you can push the corn andthe carbohydrates to them, and you can
get that shape and that pop outof them. But fallborn cattle still matter.
When you're trying to go to Houston, you're trying to go to Austin.
You're trying to share those things off. Because a slick sheer steer has
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to be a little shorter, aslic shear steer has to have top shape.
They have to have muscle shape.Fallborn cattle are going to have a
place in the industry going forward becauseof that. However, the way these
things just the right niche and puttingthat calf in the right spot is kind
of important, and it is thedifference between the holdovers and the falls.
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However, I'm still a fan offalls. I've raised so many I couldn't
even think. However, it's justgetting the right calf for the right situation.
That's the ultimate goals, because you'reat the end of the day,
you're trying to make happy cause customers. At the end of the day,
you're trying to make happy families.And that sounds like a great stopping point.
Guys. Yeah, I like thatHoldovers versus Fallborn's John Maples. We've
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got a special guest. We finallylocated our friend Will Meadows, so we're
going to have him on for thenext podcast. Will Yes, So that'll
be in just a little bit.And again we invite you guys to please
listen back to the first four,including this one, and then we'll see
what happens from there. Brent Becker, thank you for being our special guest
commentator. Well, folks, thereyou have it. Sorry Will the next
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one. Sorry Will, I didn'tmean to steal your thunder. We'll explain
that one on the next one.All right, guys, thank you.
This has been Behind the Curtains hostedby John Maples, produced and edited by
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