Taylor Artman – Former Pro Golfer & Entrepreneur

Taylor Artman sits down with Mench to discuss his non-traditional route to becoming a pro golfer and branching into a unique business model for his company Surf and Turf Golf.

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here on the dub Network. Today'sguest is a former professional golfer, the
first one I've ever had. Heis now the CEO and co founder of
Surf and tur Golfwear. Welcome misterTaylor Artman, Taylor, how are you,
sir? Pretty good? Pretty good? Thanks for having me. I
appreciate it absolutely absolutely. I know. I know we text back and forth

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about the the big thing people golfand baseball and everything else. But before
we get get down to all that, you know, golf's not a sport
that where I grew up, whereit's something that kids were playing a lot
of, you know, so beingand you know you're a younger guy.
I mean we're young, I guess, so being you know, playing now
and doing that, So playing highschool, growing it was this something you

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did as a kid, or wasjust something you picked up later in life.
I mean I started playing until Iwas probably by playing I mean actually
getting pretty good at until I wasplaying baseball in mid twenties, right,
you started taking it actually seriously asa sport rather than just messing around.
Yeah, just recreational Yeah yeah,occasional beer drinking in college idiots just being

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out there hacking up a golf course. It's funny because I'm like the Benjamin
Button of that I did in reverseorder. So now I just play,
you know, trag beer and messaround. I don't know. Yeah,
so Blake, I said, playingand stuff. You start this as a
kid, were you? You know, is it to your dad played you
watch? I had brothers, Iwas playing baseball. Golf wasn't something.
It was just like now my sonwill go in the backyard and I'm afraid

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it's clinko trees everywhere. I'm waitingfor one to come through the glass of
the house. I got a funnystore by that too. But no,
my dad used to take me outactually to the course. Um, he
would walk nine holes. He wasa really good player in my hometown.
Uh. Not not a pro oranything, but like won the club championship.
You know, one of the betterplayers in town. Uh. And

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my uncle was to uh. Andthen my dad used to take me out.
He'd carry me on one arm andhis clubs on the other. Uh.
And he would yeah he my unclewas let um, well I'll back
up. He would he cut downa club for me and then I had
little plastic clubs to one real cluband uh. Yeah, he'd take me
out there and mess around. Youknow, I'd be in the bunker or

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whatever. I wouldn't be really doingmuch and then he'd sit You know,
I have a small a tension spanand I'd hit shots, and whenever he
wasn't looking, I would flip theclub around and hit shots and he would
always get confused. He'd correct me, and then I just kept doing it
and I hit it pretty good withthe back of the club. And then
one day he when got from fromanother uncle of mine, he was left

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handed. He got it cut downand then like my first shot, I'd
just like, you know, stripedit and uh yeah. So he took
me out there and I was likethree years old. I got some home
videos that are pretty cool, andthen uh yeah, I figured out I
was left handed not far after that. That's where I started. And then
uh after that. It was adifferent time back then, right, And
my parents they'd be especially like,um, when I was like seven or

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eight, you know, at elementaryschool or whatever, or especially during the
summer. They would just drop meoff of the golf course in the summer
at like eight or nine am,and uh they picked me up at five.
Yeah. Yeah. I always jokedthat, uh yeah, the head
pro there, Tim Fleming, Ialways joked with him that he was like
my first babysitter. But there wasa bunch of little kids out there and

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we would just you know, fromage like seven to I don't know,
thirteen to fifteen or something. Youknow, we don't we wouldn't always be
playing golf. We'd go mess aroundthe pool or the snack bar, just
you know, wreck havoc around there. But uh, yeah, I used
to that used to be where Igot dropped off. And that was okay
back then, So were you soso golf was? Yeah, you didn't.

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You weren't doing any other shit.You weren't baseball, football or anything
like that. No. I playedabout every sport. I mean, well
that Oklahoma is to offer. Wedon't have hockey on lacrosse or anything.
But I played basketball, played footballup until football to like only like seventh
grade baseball till like seventh eighth grade, basketball all the way through, and
then in high school I only playedAU. I didn't play on my high

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school team. And then but golf. Around sixteen, I started saying,
okay, there's only one of thesesports that I and able to, you
know, be at the highest level, and so I started focus on golf.
About right about sixteen, I kindof gave up a basketball. Um

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that was my last the last twoI came down too. But I mean,
that was a no brainer. Goodis it a golfs? It means
I don't know about golf schools,you know, I don't somebody asked me
a good golf program down here inTexas as far as high school would have
a flue. We were six AM, so the biggest, uh you know,
the big one of the bigger schools, Evan North though at the time

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they have man, I don't evenknow how many they got. At least
three PGA Tour players just from theguys that I played against on that top
five, and they were obviously outstandingsthat they won every year that we played.
And then Jinks High School, whichis a big football, big sports
school in Tulsa. They finished secondand we finished third every year that we

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were that I was in high school. So we were one of the best
team. If we didn't go throughhigh school against those two teams being so
strong, we would have been,you know, uh contender for state.
We had five or six college golfers, which is pretty rare. I would
say, So, did you guysdo a lot of out of state travel?
You know? With with you know, there's some of these schools with

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the sports, you know, someonewill travel out of state is you know,
golf is not. It's one it'sexpensive to go play on these courses,
right and trying to find time toplay. So how was it,
How was you guys set up travelwise and doing that stuff. Well,
our high school team, we wereactually one of just a couple schools that
did go out of state. We'dcome down to Texas and play against like
Highland Park and Denton Geyer and uh, you know a couple of these the

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schools in North Texas with Edmund Northand that that was the only travel we
would do as a team. Um. But uh, individual golf is actually
that's where you get recruited. That'sI would say. I mean, you
know, like I was all stateand whatever, but I would say for
sure that a couple of tournaments thatI signed up with very late in my

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career, amateur tournaments and how Ifinished, that's what, you know,
got me more college looks. Andto be honest, like my high school
career it just doesn't get looked atlike that. And I didn't play in
national tournaments like some kids did.Um, but I think it worked out
for me, you know, likewhen it's all said and done at the
time, I was like, man, I wish I could play all those,
but uh, you just gotta playwhat you what you play, and

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uh that's where golf, I thinkis kind of like where other sports are.
I think baseball seems to be thesame way. Your traveling team is
where you get recruited, right,and that's kind of where golf is.
Your individual your agg as, youryour amateur events, things like that,
and then high school. Obviously itfalls in line, but it's not quite

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as competitive, i'd saying, Soyou know with I mean, so playing
golf, right, if you're playingout the course, these can be torn
up a lot. So I meanyou're thinking about working on you know,
swinging of golf club, not onthe range, but on the course itself
and being able to because you know, I take beaver pelts and I take
a dimit depending on where I ampermuted or something back, which is you

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know, I can put it back. But that's a lot on a golf
course, especially if you're playing asmuch as you are. So how are
you able to you know, otherthan you know because hitting off of a
turf mat does nothing right. Youcan't get any read off anything, So
how would you know? So howmany courses would you tear up doing this?
I mean we practice all we practiceevery course in our hometown. And

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then um, I mean we playedtournaments all the time. But my main
thing growing up as I was obsessedwith a short game and so, um,
I always just wanted to do puttingcontest or have up and down contest
or whatever. And my game showedI was not I was not a very
great ball striker. I was alwaysknown I kind of hit it everywhere but
got up and down. I reallypissed a lot of people off match play

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and stuff. But whereas some guyswere just always on the range right and
then you know, I couldn't makea putt. I think there's kind of
two styles. It just depends onwhat you fall in love with. M
I was always just very creative.I think it's because I'm left handed,
I don't know, And so Iwould rather sit on the range and hit
shots and go like this and youknow, rather than just hit over and

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over and over again. And soI just had more fun. It's like
creating shots. But then i'd getin trouble and I play in the tournaments
or on the chorus. It'd belike I don't really have a straight shot
here or whatever, and so yeah, I'd just find a way to get
in the hole. But that's whatgolf is, so, you know,
and that's where I think that it'sa unique sport. There's a lot of

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ways that you can skin a catout there. I remember I played with
Hank Haney one time and he talkedabout Tiger Woods. His fairways hit are
are lower, I guess down onthe right, but he said Tiger would
rather be you know, one hundredand fifty yards in the crap than you
know than two fifty in the fairwaybecause he was just like you said,
you're trying to get to a pointas fast as you can, but if
you learn through it, and saidI said, I think about that,

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right, because everybody when you thinkabout perfection right, golf is probably as
far as that part of the mentalgame of like you said, just being
able to continue basically hit balls.I mean, my brothers was a scratch
golfer and I'd see him pull shotsout that I would what are even fathom
trying to hit something right? SoI mean, but that's that's part of
your learning process that you saw itas as a young kid. Or is

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that just something you just kind ofdeveloped as you progressed. Um, I
started developing it more and making itmore. I started practicing more of the
purpose. I remember in like highschool, I guess, yeah, I
guess high school. Um, Istarted doing like competitive practice. There was
like two or three of us,and like, um, you know you

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Taylor Gooch was one of them,and then myself and then another kid or
two with the ball brothers us thatit was Steve Ball and standball, mainly
standball at the time, and theykind of worked with us like to do
competitive practice, so to actually usethose shots shaping or like messing around competitively
and like put pressure on ourselves ratherthan just trying shots, right. And

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so that was where that was aturning point where I started, uh,
you know, really practicing with apurpose. And I think that that turned
me in to a pretty good playerversus just a you know, junior golfer.
You know, that was pretty solid. I started becoming a player after
that, um, and learning thatskill set, and that was developed you

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said out through high school into college. Yeah, I started in high school.
I remember that that was something thathe kind of pulled a couple of
us aside and when we worked togetherand then um, so that I remember,
and then traveling you know that thatkind of sprung into kind of winning
some bigger events, going to somenational tournaments, seeing who's out there,
right, some of these great playersout there, um, and so you

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started crossing pads with you know,guys in my class would have been like
Ricky Fowler, Um, you know, they're great, they're great players.
And then Ricky's the best player everplayed with U. And so once I
got saw a piece of that,I was like, man, there's some
really good players out here. Andhe started learning from them, and you
just can't wait to get back outthere again, you know. And then

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and then when you take that tocollege. I was fortunate. I played
at a school that was a smallschool, so we were kind of underrated
and whatnot, but we got ina lot of international players and the majority
of my teammates actually played professionally.Even though we played a small school Oakland
City University. We won nationals inn AIA, so not you know,

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not a big d one deal oranything, But looking back, I think
it really helped develop me as aplayer because I had some very competitive,
strong teammates from all over the world, from South Africa, Norway, Sweden,
England, Australia. I mean,you name it, South America,
Mexico. And I think that thatreally made me a better player once I
started playing with those guys because theybrought games. Man. Some of the

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South Africans and Australians, they theygot raised with perfect swings. Uh,
they hit it so good, youknow. Um, and that they learned
things from us, but we learnedthings from them obviously. And then uh,
the Scandinavians, they were they werecrafty and the you know, my
English teammate was one of the bestputters that ever played with and uh that
that takes a lot for me andsay that, but he is pretty good

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with the diversity. But you hearabout it. You know, that's what
you see in you know, inbaseball, like you said, all over.
But you're talking about different approaches tothe you know, to the same
game you're playing, right, soyou so you kind of feed off each
other and learn and yeah, andand doing that and you know, playing
in college, like you said,you're playing in these in these national tournaments

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now, so how you know,how does how do you go from college
to the professional level. I mean, I know, we just saw this
week. Was that girl Rose Ithink she was at Stanford or whatever.
She just won the for whatever eventwas. I just saw it today and
she just came right out of college. Correct, So I but she was
the first pro event. Well,yes it was. She wanted to and
I think and I think it wastwo holes. Uh they played beyond rare.

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Yes from what I saw. Yeah, and you could tell the ner
you know, missing the puts usup what you could tell how stoic she
was. But just seeing that,so, how do you know, how
do you make that jump in thetransition from college to the professional ranks?
Um? You know, I thinkthat everybody takes it differently. There's some
guys that they just they had itright right, like Ricky Fowlers or you

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know, or Kevin Tway that Igrew up with, or Taylor Goog.
You know that they went to OklahomaState. They were world leaders, they
were they were on their level,um and you know, but they still
had to fight through the mini toursand all that too. I was not
Ricky, but the others did.Um. And like I think, there's
different levels of how you get there. But I would say that my teammates,

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um and some of them, youknow, still play on the European
or a Challenge Tour, et cetera. And guys right before me, they
came from a small school. Theyworked their way up, and I think
that our school we had kind ofa chip on our shoulder. We didn't
get the respect like the big Done schools got, and so um,
you know, we'd always take pridein playing in D one tournaments as any

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high school, and we fared reallywell. And then I think when we
went on to professional I just alwaystold myself that I made at the top
of every level one way or another. I've never been the top of my
class, but I've always made theyou know, I've always kept advancing right
at every level. And so andI always laugh like I think it was

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Kevin Kissner that said they paid alot for twentieth because I was never I
was never the type of guy thatwas gonna win, right, I don't.
I don't shoot sixty three's or whatever. But I was always really in
my and I'm confident in saying it, like really strong, no matter the
condition, it just didn't let roundsgo. I never quit. And so

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maybe I wouldn't amaze anybody. Butusually after four rounds he'd come them up
and I would be up there somewhere. So I always told myself that if
I just kept advancing, all Ineed to do was get out there.
Unfortunately, I U you know,I didn't never make it to the to
the top, you know, ofthe totem pole. And so the highest
I ever played is PGA Tour Canadaplayed me tours all over. I gave

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a shot. I had played alot of Q schools, a lot of
a lot of different UM events anda lot of different places. I had
some good finishes. I had acouple of rough years. I learned how
mentally, you know, challenging itcan be, and that was a new
one for me. I never lostit mentally, and I did for about
two years. But um, Ilearned a lot, and I think that

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took me into my business too.Was just how to persevere through that.
But I would say ultimately the transition. I took my nieces, a D
one college golfer now and I andI tell her, you know, the
main thing is just you know,no matter what it is you're going to
do, you have to play yourown game and you've got to just continue

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to prove that that game that youhave, right, and you can't worry
about other people. You can't worryabout what they think. Nothing. Everybody's
different, and to stay in thepresent. And then a lot of it,
I think it's just avoidance, youknow, like stay out of your
own way. And you're usually goodenough and you've already made at that level,
you will be good enough. Andyou know that from baseball and anybody

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that's played any sport. If you'veworked that hard most of the time,
it's not about like everything you dothat's great, you know, it's just
staying out of your own way,um, and just letting them add up
at the end. Right, Yeah, yeah, you're that's the biggest thing.
It's it's the mental side that separatesyou know, those the ones,
the the athletes. It's not it'snot this physical skill, right, So

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you know you talk about, youknow, the mental side of it.
So when we when we go outand play golf, right now we've got
played, you know they'll be talking. There'll be all kinds of of you
know, chirping back and forth.So playing on on on tour, playing
in these in these many in theseuh, these events, is it is?
What? What? What kind ofthe atmosphere? Because is it kind

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of like if you're out there withyour buddies talking, or is there some
trash talk going or is it youknow, I said, really the only
sport you hold up a science isquiet. Please really, I mean,
so talk about that because I'm surethat can wear on you, because I'm
sure, especially if it's quiet,you can probably hear somebody back on it.
This guy sucks, right, youcan hear it, right, You're
just I think a train horn wentoff the other day. God was getting

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ready to put and the train hornwent off. Any just back for a
second. No's that's a good question. Um. Well, so the unique
thing is we play. We gambleall the time. We're pretty much professional
gamblers when you're out there. Andso when we're not on the tournament,
you know, there's a traveling groupor a bunch of guys or or a
few different groups, right, andwe combine we play different games. We're

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always playing each other money games.There's a lot more banter trash talk going
on between those. But we're allfriends also, right yeah, Um,
and then what getting tournaments? Itjust kind of depends sometimes you be paired
with buddies that can be either aplus or that can be a mice.
It's almost two lacks of daysical outthere, and it's like, what,
you know, what are you doing? Like player? You know this is

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I just like, you know,I haven't line up that last shot?
What am I doing? Because I'mstill talking to friends? You say,
wouldn't there be some of my buddiesAnd I'm like, I don't even think
I got the yardage right, LikeI just you know, like I was
messing around and you know, Andso that would happen occasionally. But also
I think that that usually I wouldnot not just me, but I think

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players played better when they played withtheir friends. I remember my business partner,
Michael um So, I got hurtin like seventeen and had a shoulder
surgery. I was out for ninemonths, and then he kind of talked
me into coming back and playing sometournaments and um I didn't really want to
and servant TERV was taken off andI was really busy, I'm not playing
any golf, and he was like, well, let's go play as Bogey
Hills tournament. And I'd always finishedtop ten the two or three or four

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years before that, and so thiscourse was really tight and short and kind
of jankie. It's actually kind ofsquirrely, like it fit my game right,
some kind of squirrely. And he'sthis long hitter or whatever. He
usually didn't like it. We getI signed up, go play. It's
like my first tournament we're having.But we get paired together, which was
and he you know, finished secondin the long drive thing before the tournament.

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I'm just trying to figure out howto play golf again, right or
whatever. And so we get outthere and he wins a tournament. But
the first two rounds he shot likesix I don't remember, six sixty five,
sixty six or something like that.He was maybe like thirteen under.
I shot my seventy four is misseda cut, and you know, I
was headed home and I was like, hey man, for the next two
days, just keep playing like you'replaying, because these two days is like,

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you know, we were playing backhome in a money game. You're
cutting corners, You're just you're owningthe course, and you just keep doing
that. You're gonna make a coupleof bogies, sure, but you're you
just keep doing that and I think, uh, he kept it up.
He won the tournament. But Ithink that us playing together was an example
of you know, he kind oflet loose and he kind of you know,

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because that course didn't suit him atall, but he made it work.
And I also think he just wantedto just one last time to just
drum me but not something that's easyto do. Yeah, but it was
fun. I remember playing with it. We played with another guy. I
remember, Jose Toldo was playing withus, um, and he's, uh,
he wears our stuff on the LatinAmerica tour. But we just had

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a good time. Um. AndI remember him playing really good, and
so I think sometimes when you playwith your buddies, you played really well.
Um. There's another time I'm playingwith Michael and I had some demons
and another guy I almost say hisname, um, but we were both
notoriously slow, and Michael was playingwith us, and uh, we were
roommates at the time and business partnersor whatever. Maybe maybe not business partners

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yet, but we've been roommates fora while. We traveled together and we
were on the clock and he isshooting like seventy seven, and I swear
he wanted to just like punch bothof our lights out and his head in
or what he was done with us. He wanted to continue to play.
One of the guys got fined,I got warned, and then Michael shod
probably the worst score I've ever seenhim shoot. So we can go both

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ways. So I've played. Hewouldn't talked to me for a week.
Ever, then he was like,dude, I can't play with you right
now. So you were you werethe human rain delay then out there.
Well yeah, I was just barelyfaster and the other guy, but but
I was slow as shit. Sorry, you're good. You're good. I've
seen those back from that have thatyou know that their bags it's you know,

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it's cart path. And I said, they'll get their back and then
they'll walk all after their ball.Then they walk all the way back,
they get their club, and thenthey walk all out, they get the
wrong club, they go back.Is that you I'm one of those ones
where yeah, if you've seen like, uh, like Keegan Bradley or Jason
Day a few years ago or something, I was working with a sports psychologists
and uh, I had I couldn'tlike pull the trigger. I like it

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was weird. I just would likeget stuck and I couldn't. I couldn't
take the club back. I couldn'tgo. Really, I can't. I
can't explain it. Yeah, Andso I'd have to back off and then
I'd go in there. And itwas something I worked on with like a
trigger that would initiate me to goand hit and it would like mentally clear
my mind and it would enable meto not you know, get my own

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way there. But man, itdid take a while. I mean those
times I'd back off three, fouror five times and and I'm like,
I'm trying, guys, I literallycan't pull the club back. And I've
never experienced anything like that before.But I've worked way or worked my way
through it. But um, Idon't know what was worse the social downside

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of when I was I started playingwell, but I was so slow,
right, I mean, my ownroommate and buddy or whatever like refuses to
play with me. He's like getmiserable. And then uh the you know
the that year or two before thatthat led to me seeing a sports psychologist.
Uh, well that was pretty miserable. But they both in their own
way, it was like this sucks. I just want to be normal again,
and finally I got out of it. But uh, that was kind

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of towards the end. So I'mpicturing Tin Cupton, like I said earlier,
is that like right sports psychologist hehad, he had the same thing
kind doctor lady, Yeah, doctordoctor? What is it? Just as
opposed to just But I can't imaginehow people out there of knowing that you
can't and right because you know youryour athletes, right people, right,

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you can hit the ball yet right, just just kind of doing it and
you probably get getting ticked off atpeople. I was getting mad at myself.
I'm like, I'm trying, what'sthe deal here? You know?
Um? It was, it gotweird for a little bit, uh,
And I mean I finally started overcomingin it, and then one day I'd
be fine and the next day it'slike every shot and I'm like, dude,
I have never got I'm gonna getfine, not penalized fine, like

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like beyond penalty. Um. Andso um yeah, it got it got
pretty bad, but I finally startedgetting through it. This what did they
haven't a name for that? Imean, did anybody heard of this?
If you you know, because what'swhat's something happened. Usually most athletes are
trying, all right, has anybodydealt with this before? Who can I
go talk to? Was there anybodyyou could really reach out to and just
say, hey, have you dealtwith this before? Yeah? Actually I

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did? Um, And so likewhen I went to I talked to a
guy named Frank Beard, um,and I got a funny story about Frank.
But he was he put a fewryder cups. Um, he's out
on the West Coast. I'll tella funny story about him in a second
if I can. And um,but he he told me that he went
through a similar thing when he wasout there and kind of you know,

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said that you just need to acceptthe results, you know. And so
like whenever you're going up there,just it's okay to back off once or
whatever. But then once you getup there, he's like, just step
into it, breathe or whatever andjust let it go, and it's it's
gonna be a good shutter, badshot. And that took a while for
me to get like comfortable to justlet it go, but once I did

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a few times, it would help. Um. But yeah, so the
sports I call it is he reallyhelped a lot because I had some inner
demons, like and he would hehad. He did a good job.
He made me nervous in practice becauseit was frustrating. I would hit every
shot like boom, right in themiddle, and then you go to the
first team and he's like every timeand so uh, you know, and

(26:27):
it's just so demoralizing it. Andso then he'd I'd be like, I
practice all I want, like itdoesn't matter. I hit it perfect,
and he goes, I bet Ican make you nervous, and so he
like picks a shot. He useda bunch of technology and screens and whatnot,
and he's like, all right,you got to hit one in between
this martin this yellow flag and thisred flag and it can't go and the
bushes on the ride or whatever.And he drew up a hole and I

(26:51):
got up there and I got allnervous and just quick hit it and the
ship was over there. He's like, I told you, I started creating
this shot in your head. AndI learned a lot from that. And
so after that, though, itwas necessary to learn that because then when
I went to practice, when Itook Frank Beard's advice, and I would

(27:15):
just hit my last shot I usedto always like end on a make because
like from basketball, right, everybody, yeah, And so I went away
from that. I still don't endon a make, and I even I've
even told my niece to before.I learned the power of acceptance. So
like, my last shot is mylast shot. And so if I hit
the worst shot, I hit theentire bucket arrange balls, I just okay,

(27:36):
i gotta gotta go hit it again. So I'm just gonna go to
the next te And that actually helpedme. Um is, when when I
did hit a good one, Itook confidence, and when I didn't,
I'd almost just practice accepting that Imight just hit it off the map,
you know. And so usually thenext shot I'd hit just fine. It's
like a kid can't hit a worsethan that one. So it's kind of
funny. It's like a it's likea trick yourself almost. It is right,

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That's what ten was Tinkup was doing. He goes, what how do
you think you look chili peppers upLee Jansen's ass, right, Yeah,
exactly said put the teas in yourleft pocket, pull your right pocket out,
turn your hat sideways. He anidiot. I mean, I was
trying everything. Yeah, you looklike an idiot. Well what do you
think you're doing? Doing that?There you go, So you're talking about
this, your Frank Beard story.Yeah, so I'm I'm playing and the

(28:25):
first time I had ever been outto the Palms in California, just moved
out there, and they had kindof junior memberships for um like developing players
and stuff, and a lot ofsenior thrower players out there, and then
a couple of guys at the time, like Scott McCarron, a couple other
guys were out there and they havethis thing called the Game and it's the
most probably the most competitive game inthe Desert um in like the Pump Springs

(28:47):
area, and so every day elevenfifteen or whatever, So you get out
there like ten, ten thirty,you get breakfast at hit balls and they
draw teams. And so one ofmy first days, maybe my second round
in the game, I get pairand it's me somebody else, this guy
named Dave Hoppy and then Frank Beard, and it was just Frank right,
and he had had He's about seventyfour years old. And I'm riding with

(29:11):
Frank and I'll be another guy ridingtogether and first hole, Frank, so
you get to play your handicaps.So like I was plus five of the
blacks, but I could play plusseven of the blues or five of the
blacks or whatever. Frank was likea plus like three or four at the
ballues, I guess. And hecould be like a plus five or six
of the whites and he moved upone or he could go back and be

(29:33):
like a plus two or whatever atthe blacks. Yea, And so he
would play the whites and I waslike plus six or whatever. You know.
He hits it right down the middlefirst hole, and I was like,
man, that's pretty good. Firstof all, I was like plus
four plus six, what you know, seventy four years old. And then
I've never heard of him, andhe hits it up They're like fifteen feet

(29:56):
and he rolls again. And thenon number two he hits like seven iron
or something, probably hits it upthere like fifteen feet, and we get
up there and just dyes it rightover the front two hundre aft or two.
And then on number three he justperfect draw the same shot every single
time, right just right down themiddle, and he's got this sign a
little wow I was, you know, he's just a little quirky, but

(30:18):
it's like the perfect move. Itit's so silky. And I go to
Hobby. We're in three fairway,and I said, Frank must have played
a little bit or something. He'spretty good, and Hobby was like,
yeah, he's pretty good, youknow, to ask him. And then
so Frank hits it up there onthe green, barely misses his putt.
We go to number fourteen and it'slike one of the hardest tea shots and
it says, so, Frank,I heard you used to play a little

(30:40):
bit, Like what tours did youplay on, and he goes, well,
uh noting out a ton to acouple of Ryder cups, just like
dead serious. And I felt aboutthis big, and I'm like, oh
my god, you know, likeI don't know. I thought he was
like a pharmacist or something. Becausethere's some really good players out there that

(31:06):
did not play professional golf. Ithought I maybe want to stay down once.
I don't know, I have noidea. And he's like, yeah,
I played a couple of Ryder cups, and I'm just like cooking.
I just wanted to go home andjust or just put in the dirt,
right, I think my clubs andI'm gonna leave now. I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure I hid in theship. Right after that, I
was like, Okay, this isembarrassing get out there and playing that.

(31:29):
But but you're like you talk aboutthat's the stuff that's frustrating guys that can
play it, you know right downthe middle that are like that, that
are two fifty down the middle rightand they're doing and doing anything right,
and we have to other guys haveto work hard. That's you know,
my short game is what I lose, lose playing you know, the fifty
yards and end. I just don'thave to touch my hands. I got
and I have one speed. There'sno there's no trying to slow down.

(31:52):
It's just go. So that's howThat's how I've always been to death Wish
with halfway just yeah, exactly.I've I've kind of learned a little bit
how to. We played with DavidLingmerth one time at a at a pro
am and his caddy out here,just a little bit of listening, and
I spent a winter in Tampa playingum working with the pro there. So

(32:13):
I've learned. I've never really beenOther than that, I've been self taught,
just trying to do stuff. Soyou know, baseball and golf swing.
People go, well, base thegolf swing is gonna mess up your
baseball. I said, Now,it's not. It's all in your head.
Actually I played better baseball when Iwas playing golf. But unfortunately during
the season. Oh, I don'twant to starting pitchers can so those guys
are always playing and everything else.But it's but you know, learning now,

(32:36):
it's it's still not something I cansit and really watch on TV.
But going, like I said,going out and playing and being with your
buddies and and doing that stuff.So I mean, that's that's the fun
side of what I what I enjoydoing, you know, the playing scrambles
right, doing that, always havingthe right guys, and I'm sure you've
got the right guys. You know, who's got their short game. We
can call this guy and do that. Yeah, No, That's where I'm

(32:57):
at right now. That's all Iplaying now. Was like team stuff and
exactly what we just said, like, you know, we got one coming
up, says like we gotta havea long hitter. We've gotta have a
short game, guy, we gottahave them, you know, somebody,
we got to have somebody. It'sassistant studed everything that usually helps. But
yeah, you got you gotta getdifferent skills, you know, in those
deals. But that's that's what Iplay in now. It's what I enjoy.
That's the only way I can becompetitive anymore if I can just hold

(33:20):
my role on a team, becauseI can't. I can't piece together,
you know, multiple rounds against somebodythat's playing full time. So but I
can if I have a teammate andyou know, if I had my two
three bad holes or whatever, thatthey can carry me or if we're you
know, if they're hitting long drives, I still I'm good with a wedge
and I can put pretty good,so I can still carry my own if

(33:42):
I've got some help. Yeah,So which I kind of have fun with
it. I just accept it nowand own it. And I actually,
in a way, I play betterbecause it doesn't bother me if I had
a bad shot. I don't,you know, stroke play events stress me
out because you know, I don'tjust I don't focus on just you know,
getting out there and playing golf becauseI never did to play anymore.
Yeah, and uh, you know, even though I want to just enjoy
myself, but I'm too competitive.I mean, I just can't. Yeah,

(34:07):
it's tough, right, because that'swhat you were. That's wheah.
I hate it actually, like II need to get past it, but
I yeah, stresses me out,especially every time I get off to a
bad start and then I'm just fightingmy way back. Yeah, that's what
it is. I think it's that'swhen you know, people talk gosh,

(34:29):
I can't. I kind of thinkI do this. You know, it's
always it's always enough, like youfinished eighteen one. Usually it's on a
good shot gun, just enough tomake you want to come back, right,
and that there's not a time youjust I've had You've had enough of
it, right, So so goingyou know, when your career, you
know, with coming to an endand the the uh the apparel company starting?
Was this something that was created whileyou were playing? Was this something

(34:52):
that just somebody had an idea?How did this? How did the surf
and turf come about? So actuallyI can't take uh full credit for or
how it really truly started? SoI would when I was out in SoCal,
a couple of my buddies, theycame up the logo and the name,
and they created a social club.So it's called the Surf and Turf

(35:14):
Club. And so being out SoCal, it's it's a it's very there's a
huge barrier to entry if you're likea young professional. There's high initiation fees,
the courses are expensive, most areprivate. And then our big deal
was if we had younger buddies outthere or whether they visited, whether they
were in the service industry and theguys we hung out with or whatever,

(35:36):
they want to go play some publicresort or something. Well that was courses
that we didn't have the perks toplay. And so you know, like
we're not going to go pay thosegreen fees or whatever, you know,
etc. When we've got access tocertain other places. But but then we
couldn't get them on at our place, right, And so the Surf and
Turf Club was kind of founded asa way to, I guess, make

(36:00):
it a feasible opportunity to get peopleto play a few times a year,
like maybe a member guests or aclub championship or something if you weren't a
member of a club. So wecreated our own club without a golf course,
and so we were going to do, you know, different things that
one idea could be like you'd doa member guest, but it's like all

(36:21):
the Surf and Turf Club members wouldgo play with all the Palms members in
a two man team. So youfifty Palms members fifty serving club members,
right and almost like an inter club, but it's kind of a member of
guest, etc. And so wewould bounce around and do that, or
we would go and play other events, and so you'd have a Surf and
Turf Club Champion, etcetera. Andwe made a super affordable you know,

(36:42):
it was just the price for agym handicap and we give a give out
a hat and a T shirt.And so I was like one of the
first members of the club. Andthen as we kind of kept going,
they're like, you want to joinin? I said, sure, well,
how turn into an apparel brand,well, like my hat or something.

(37:02):
So and they looked a lot ofworse back then, but the logo
was pretty cool, and so peoplewere joining and they'd wear it and we
get out to a golf course,maybe we'd have it on or whatever,
and somebody would say, well,I want one of those hats or one
of those T shirts? Can Ibuy one? We're like can they?
Well, you know, I remember, like I don't think we can.

(37:27):
And then we had all of asudden, we had all these people want
has and T shirts, but theydidn't really want to join the club,
and it's like, I don't thinkwe can. I don't know what to
do here, you know. It'sso we were like, let's just have
the Surf and Turf Club, butthen have the apparel, the Surf and
Turf golf and course the Coast apparel. It's kind of like an umbrella over
it. And so we still havethe club. It's smaller, it's kind

(37:47):
of speakeasy if you will, inthese days, but we're going to keep
growing in We've got two chapters nowNorth I'm sorry, Minnesota and Southern California,
and then another one coming here inNorth Texas. And so that's just
kind of been a foundational thing.Only we're not really growing the brand through
it. We're more so dis rewardingour original members and then people that are

(38:10):
interested in that have access to it. But it's still super affordable. We
really don't make anything off of it. We just really want to bring people
together and then over time I planto get that back going again and really
turn it into like a more socialmovement. I just have to focus on

(38:30):
one thing at a time. Andso yeah, we moved into the pail
sector from there, and we gotlucky. We're all in the golf industry,
so we have a pretty good network, and we understood how wholesale works
to clubs, and so we soldto well to our co founders for the
plantation, So we sold to themand the shop those went like like that

(38:51):
went fast, and then we soldto another another shop I can't remember where
it was, and went pretty fast, and then we had a buzz.
It was that same guy, DaveHoppy has a store in Canada, and
we sent him one hundred forty fourpieces to take back to a store.
And Cam and I, one ofmy co founders, we were playing PGA

(39:13):
Tour Canada time. We were upthere and he was like, hey,
do you have any more apparel withyou? I already sold it in like
two weeks. We were like what, Well, we don't have anymore like
anywhere on earth. So we're like, okay, we got some. So
then I called a place in Texasand I always got a lot of kick

(39:34):
back there. I was like,that'll never sell in Texas. That I'll
there, you know what, nochance outside of California. I'm like,
well, I'm from Oklahoma in Texasand I wear it, so I mean
I'll bet on that. Crazy.So we sent it to a place in
Oklahoma, a place in Texas,and Artisia, New Mexico, and all
three of them sold really fast.And all of a sudden, we've got

(39:54):
now we got like six or tenaccounts and they're selling forty eight time.
Whatever. It's like whoa. Andthen we did that for about a year.
We just kept growing a little bit, you know, we'd we'd order
a bunch, sell it and thenordered twenty percent more and scaled up and
whatever. And in twenty eighteen,I took a chance. I spent all

(40:15):
of our money, like max outour credit cards and I sponsored the North
Texas PGA and that caused a littlebit of a riff at the time,
but between us, because it wasyou know, it was a ball z,
I guess, and I didn't havea full plan, but I just
was like, I don't know,I don't do selling everywhere, so let's

(40:36):
do this, and so yeah,max it all out, I had all
stuff shipped and it was like,got Jordan needed all, so he shipped
it to me. I got Michaeland my sister and we went out to
Old American Golf Club where they hadthe North Texas PGA Section Championship, and
about fifty of the pros there wrotewe did this little thing, just check

(40:57):
a box, they want twenty fouror forty eight or seventy two or whatever,
and about everyone came through and theleast hit twenty four and to their
club, everyone that that had thebuying power right, and so we just
put together. We sold like youknow, we did like fifty something wholesale
orders between like twenty four and maybemaybe at the most somebody did a hundred
pieces or something. And so allof a sudden, I was like,

(41:21):
Okay, well that's a lot oforders to fill. And so I started
kind of asking for money, applyingfor new credit cards, whatever. And
then I was like, that's fiftysomething orders. It's just me Michael out
of our house. That's a lot. And so and we got the online
etc. And I was like,we need an office, and so two

(41:44):
of our guys helped South financially gotus in our first office got we hired
actually our apartment manager as our firstoffice manager, like from because she always
saw the boxes or whatever, We'relike, you know, what do you
want to do. She took achance and her name was Emily Davis.
We'll never forget it. And soyeah, she came in was our first

(42:06):
employee, and then I hired anotherone, and then my nephew came on,
and then we got up to sevenemployees. We're really scaling up.
And then COVID hit well, wellI'm sorry, about four or five.
Then we went down and then wegot back up to about seven and then
the supply chain is actually the yearafter COVID, the supply chain kind of
taint. That was the hardest year. Actually, yeah, and then since

(42:30):
then we're kind of working our wayback up. But we're we're selling two
hundred and fifty three hundred stores andevents and things like that, and it's
really picking up, and we're insome big places like uh, you know,
we're a proven there for places likeomni properties. We do all the

(42:51):
merch for a lot of the likemini tours. Uh, we've done Conference
USA. We're a sponsored for them. Will also to cool partnerships and stuff.
And so it's been pretty exciting.I never thought you'd be where you
are now after you know, comingout of Oklahoma playing golf, you just
thought be golf, So I mean, and then he said, there are

(43:12):
some guys on tour that are wearinguntil the small that are wearing something,
that are wearing the gear as well. Yeah. The problem is, you
know with those guys and how we'vegrown. Uh, usually they'll wear it
and get out there and then likeJosh Creole will be a great example,
He's one of our best friends,helped us, helped us where he's you
know, get out there, butthen as soon as he gets an endorsement
deal, he's like, hey,man, I gotta wear this. I'm

(43:34):
like, dude, that's fine,man, Like that's that was what we
were trying to do the whole time. You can just wear it at the
pool or going fishing or whatever,right, Um. And so most of
the time what happens is guys wearit until they get out there, until
they get a deal, and thenuh and then they you know, good
for them, you know. Andso we don't sponsor anybody with cash yet

(43:54):
because I and I think that thatis the right way to go because we
want to keep growing so we cando that. Yeah. Uh and so
yeah, we've got we've had playersthat have worn it UM. You know,
Rick Lamb actually were for a fullseason just to support I guess he
didn't have another deal. We've hadSavannah Aloutby on the LPGA tour. UM.

(44:16):
We you know, tons of differentplayer I mean a lot. I
mean it's hard to even believe sometimeshow many guys where at and girls um
on all the world wide tours fromLive to the PGA Tour to Senior PGA.
Clark Dennis wear his own Champions TourUM and he's almost became like an
honorary founder. He's the absolute man. You know, he's here in North

(44:37):
Texas. He just finished think aboutthirty eight or so with the Senior PGA
Risco So um yeah, he's ourour Champions Tour guy. Okay, So
that's be interesting how this, likeyou said, how it all comes about.
But all these stories that you know, you're you're you're growing, you're
growing, and then COVID hit justwiped everything out and then did having to

(45:00):
start over. But just something thatyou guys believed in of how this is
um, you know, how thishas grown, So you guys are international
selling stuff as well or just justin the US. Yeah, we we
sell UM to some places in Canadaand then UM, we've had with Mexico.
We've had some issues, but we'reworking on getting down there. We've
sold down to Columbia before, butthat kind of went out, UM in

(45:22):
COVID and then now we're looking totry to go overseas to like South Africa
and Europe. UM. But there'skind of some logistics there. I'm trying
to figure it out. We justget on like one or two were there,
but I'm trying to figure out ona wider scale how we can just
you know, not just to getit over there, but like to start
actually distributing correctly. So there's Imean, so it was just a gear

(45:45):
that's and that's the logo on thehat. That's that's at the original logo
that is that is just the embroideryand stuff wasn't exactly up to you know,
we were figuring it out. Wedidn't know what a DST file.
We didn't know what we were doing. I mean, we knew nothing.
Just drawing it up with crayons andstuff. We I mean pretty much.

(46:06):
I mean, we were just howeverwe could figure it out. And you
know, my uncle was with RalphLauren for like twenty five years, and
then I was living with a guythat was with uh Nivo Sigo, and
then now you know, now he'sbeen with all sorts of big brands or
whatever. They were always giving mea hard time, you know, because
we were just making up as wego, trying to figure it out.
And here we are. We're stilltrying to do that, but it's getting

(46:28):
a lot nicer. I mean we'vegot like this is uh you know,
full out active where ye like,it's pretty badass at um. So we're
keep advancing, keep u next asPolos. I'm working on that. I
just I'm very particular, so I'mexcited for that launch. As soon as
we get a dial then with thefull line okay, so people can go

(46:52):
to what's is it Surf and TurfClub dot com or is it Surf and
Turf Golf dot com dot com?Okay, they go under and check it
out and see what you know,what order and what's coming as well.
Correct, absolutely, and then wealso have a stock us list so if
you ever want to pick it upin your area. You can go see
you know, whatever state you're inor city, you can see the courses

(47:15):
or shops they carry it. Ifit was easier. A lot of a
lot of people are still reluctant togo by online when they're trying on apparel
if they haven't worn it before.Gotcha, okay, So I like to
always push them that way. Yeah, by the way, I heard something
about you was that I heard?I heard you kind of have a big
head. Do we need to makelike a special half of you? I
need advisor. I need advisor becausethose things will fit. Hats fit like

(47:37):
a yamica depend if they're not deepenough, that's the problem. That's why
I don't wear I have one hatI think that I wear golfing and it's
called big Melon gear. And theirslogan was one size never fits all,
so it was deep. I needI need a deeper hat, all right,
or one that could work. Butbut advisors, I said, I
like visors or a bucket hats.Those are anymore we did before. Really

(48:02):
I can work on I can workon that. Yeah, hair cut of
years or that's kind of risky,as I mean, that's a lot like
mine here, So it is.But and I've just had it, and
I've always had short hair since highschool. We had it, we didn't
we had a hockey tournament, wegrew mohawks, and we had a hair
shape short. And then once Igot out of high school, I said,
I'm just gonna take it all off. So it makes it easier.

(48:24):
Right, there's no it's it's washedand com I'm done. Right, there's
nothing more stress. I love it. Yeah, I mean I lost all
mine, but you know so StuartScott, I remember Stuart Scott told me
one day he goes mentioned just rememberbald as beautiful, So you know what.
I love that. So any timeI see that, yeah, I
always I always lived by that,by that model. So yeah, but

(48:45):
it was just fun. Like Isaid, it's but the problem is can
sweat your eyes and everything else.So but I don't like here something hun
gets Dalton. Yeah, you're righthere, You're you're local here, you're
North Texas good too, so yeah, but yeah, we'll definitely have to
have the people that can check andthey can check it out as on the
website and where else in social mediacan they check it out? Check out

(49:07):
Serventurf Club on Instagram. That's probablyour biggest following. But you on Facebook,
Twitter, We've got TikTok, butI don't use it as much.
Um and we don't have a Yeah, I don't know how they called tiktoks.
I got like three tiktoks or whatever. I don't know is that what
they're calling. I don't know whatthey are. I just know that if

(49:29):
it's you posted on one thing,it shows up on there. And I
don't know how to do that stuff. I just want me to hear about
TikTok. I how it's frustrating.Everybody's like, that's where it is,
and then they're right like and Ieven catch myself scrolling on Instagram. I'm
watching TikTok's on there or whatever,and I'm like, we need we gotta
make The problem is can you getup there and dance and do all your
stuff? You know that's you needto put your golf gear on and get

(49:52):
out there and just start hitting golfballs. And I'm kind of back where
I was playing golf. I'm kindof like, you know, afraid to
pull the trigger. I don't knowwhat you know. I'm stalling over the
word you're looking for. Maybe it'llkind of it'll it'll cancel itself out because
you're live on a TikTok trying todo it and think whatever, just hit
it. Yeah, I need toembarrass myself and just get likes that way,

(50:15):
right. Hey, any publicity isgood publicity, right, That's what
I think exactly. That's all,that's all we need. Yeah, that's
all we need to do. Butthink out what you definitely have to get
out and play play more fun.It's too hot down here, so we'll
have to have to uh have tocheck it out and get out in playment
and find it out in some storesand whatnot. So yeah, I like

(50:36):
I'm a I like a Schmidium shirt. Probably if you can't, I'll get
to do all due do all thisdude. H But I appreciate you jumping
on Taylor telling your story about howyou know, how guys that are you
know you start one way, youknow this is my plan. I got
golf and then but here I am, I'm doing apparel. You never never
you know, you never thought whereyou know, where you start, where

(50:58):
you finish. So I had Ino idea. I mean I always wondered
that and there was times when Iwas playing one year I guest sponsor or
whatever and moving out to California.It was a big deal. But h
you know, coming back and Ihave to you know, I coached my
college golf team for a little bitand then bartended. I you know,

(51:20):
I was finding any way I couldmake money, you know, on side
or whatever. I was even tryingto sell some you know, golf stuff
or whatever. I don't know,whatever I could do and lessons here and
there. I never like giving lessonsthough, but uh yeah, and then
I was wondered, Okay, wellif I don't make it, what am
I gonna do? And I Inever knew I kind of wanted to be

(51:40):
a golf coach, but I don'tknow. I didn't I didn't see my
get and then it just stumbled intoit. Right. I think everybody stresses
out, and I think if youjust kind of open your eyes, that'll
kind of show up in front ofyou, you know, when you least
expected. Yeah, it was thesame. I mean, you get out
and in the next ten years orwhatever, you just start playing more and
more golf and maybe I could,you know, get back on on tour

(52:04):
and do this right. You neverknow, I would like I would like
that someday, you know, withthe timing and everything. I'm thirty five,
so um senior tour and everybody convincea little bit shorter, we move
us up and you know that fiftyor is that forty five? So maybe
you never know. I don't know. I'm I'm definitely not one to ever
not believe in myself. So Ilove somebody told me I can't do it.

(52:29):
Yeah, exactly, That's what Imean. You never know what,
So it'll be interesting, you said, to see how it goes. You
know, get out and start playinggolf and people are saying, hey,
you know, and then the uh, the apparel takes off and makes you
know, you're making golf clubs andeverything else. Right, You've got that
showing and then you're building building somegigantic conglomerate with everything. So yeah,
it's like whatever said that will neversell in Texas. Looks like that's the

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bad. You know, that's thebeauty of an of of athletes, right
this when when you tell me no, you tell me I can't do something,
Yeah, it just makes me worktwice as hard to prove you,
to prove you wrong. So everytime I need it you know, I
don't like getting commented too much.I need I need a fuel on the
fire, exactly. And that's youknow, that's just how we're wired.

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And that's you know, everybody I'vehad on this show talk, that's just
about how we are. Right.Don't tell me I can't. And that's
the thing, because a lot ofpeople welcome it. Yeah, keep coming,
keep telling me I can't. Otherscan't. But that's that mental game
you talked about with Some people justcan't do it, and yours isn't the
fact that you can't do it.It's just the fact that you just think
you're yeah, as opposed to somebodyelse doing it. Right, we get

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in our own way. I pleasesay, just let your abilities take over.
And I see that's when I playthe best always, when I get
underestimated, you know, it's like, uh yeah, just kick something into
gear in there. The same thingwith business too. The second I get
told, you know, we don'thave something. I don't know a comp
with an idea or um, Idon't know something good happens. Yeah,

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exactly. So I don't like takingno for an answer ever, No,
not at all. No, youknow, you know what you know how
it goes. Yeah, exactly,but you know that's what makes it fun.
Pretty long, so for sure.Yeah, but telling man, I
appreciate you jumping on today and talkingabout this and seeing, like I said,
somebody, hopefully somebody hears this andsays, yeah, you know,
hey, they're a golfer and theyhear this and say, hey, what

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can I do? You never knowthough, right, yeah, but we'll
have to revisit this in a whileand see how you know, I said,
who's to say next time we talkand you're out there playing you're playing
on many tours or something else.You just picked it back up and and
uh and taking off of everything I'vecaddying for my knees and the color It
opened next next week. That's kindof a passing tour. I'm pumped about

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it. Sorry. Where's that tournamentgoing to be? In Colorado and Denver
area? Okay, So it's like, you know, it's a huge event
for men and women, a hundredthousand the horse in winter. Um.
But it's just pretty cool because youknow, her dad used to catty for
me and then she used to paddyfor some ambassadors ambassadors of ours when she
was in high school. Even thoughshe played college golf and now she's playing

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in the field. Got an exemptionand get to caddy for her, and
um, I'm pumped about that.So that's kind of chapter oral Roberts Okay,
and to yea yea. Her nameis Morgan Playmo and proud of her.
She had a hold one uh ather conference tournament and I missed it.
I was out there too. Ohreally, but yeah, I'm I'm

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proud of her. She's she's anew star of the show. Well that's
good, you know. Good luckwith that and carrying that bag around the
course with your jumpsuit on. Ijust got to practice in I cady a
US Open Sectionals thirty six holes lastweek and that was I forge out what
that was like, but I can'timagine. So yeah, yeah, it

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should be good trying to get ayear all out there and everything else.
So take some extra gear with younever know the want the most up.
Well probably, Well it's at oneof my accounts. That's a cool thing
too, so they'll be selling ourstuff from the shop there. Oh even
better, yeah, better, that'sthat's one of the ones that's giving us
a shot. That's day one andthey crush it. So that'll be exciting,
perfect perfect. Yeah, well,good luck with that, man,
Like I said, well, we'llbe in touch and good luck with all

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this, and they said, we'lldefinitely have to revisit this and see where
you are down the road. Absolutely, thank you very much. I appreciate
it. Yeah, thanks Taylor,I appreciate it.