April 8, 2025 • 26 mins
Brady and Dan are joined by morning show host of 'The Morning Moshpit' MARRIS! Marris shares his expertise about the caped crusader known as Batman. They go on a journey from Keaton to Bale and everywhere in between. The three banter about Batman's star studded casting over the years, music from the soundtracks, and the impact of the cartoon series. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Number nineteen.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Brady one More Time.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'll look back on all things nineties and two thousands,
the movies, Bruce Wayne, why you dressed up like Batman?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Because he is Batman?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You moren the music, kiss bab Ruse. The awkwardness. Does
anybody else feel like a friting?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Never bit more? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Here's your host, Brady Broski. Think of welcome, Welcome, this
is it. I am the Brady part of the Brady
one More Time podcast and joining me as always. The
kickball came. What a man who was seconds away from
winning thousands of dollars last night, but Houston ruined that
for you. I mean I would due.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I had so much luck to this point it all
had to come crashing down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I was rooting for you, Bud.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was almost a double dribble, which I don't know
if that would have held. But the whole thing was
just I will say, yeah, it was a disaster.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But it was also heads up with him, and I
know this is we're getting already off topic. It was
also pretty heads up with him to not touch the
ball after he did that, because he knew He's like,
if I touch this ball, the game's over. So he
just tried to like block out Florida dudes, hoping one
of his teammates would just like run over and chuck
it up and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Also, just chuck the ball and see what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right right to yourself a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, watching that play, it made me feel like he
was hoping that nobody was watching him, right, I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Think about thirty million.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, there was a lot of people watching Dangerous Dan Ginsbrough.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's kickball opening night to night. Of course it snowed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's like thirty degrees out break condition. Yeah, oh my goodness.
What's the season outlook? What do you guys projected? How
what's the well? Were the defending champs from last fall?
KICKI Minaj?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, KICKI Minaj is coming in as defending champs, but uh,
you know we've got some challenges out there. Okay, our
Democratic Republic of kickball always gives us a run for
our money.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Why do I feel like that's not a joke. Well,
we will be rooting for you all kickball season. Keep
us posting. I love watching on on the ohoy, that's
always a good time and with us say very special guest.
We had to bring this man in because he is
one of the hosts of the morning mosh pit here
weekday mornings Rock ninety five five. Thank you, and is
(02:23):
he's kind of like the building here, the cluster here
in Chicago. I heart Radio Chicago. Like the superhero connoisseur.
Would you say? Is that a good title?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nerd is also accepting.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The nerd the one and only Mars Mighty.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Maris is here our first ever in person in studio guests.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh my goodness, you would be number one.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
This is an honor you always remember your first time.
Take it to be gentle with us, please.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I absolutely will try.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We got a fun topic. And the reason we had
to bring you in here is because I was talking
to Dan a couple of weeks ago after this, the
sad and untimely passing of Val Kilmer. Yes, I say,
you know what, why don't we Why don't we mix
it up? Wy don't we do a Batman episode?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I was like, dang, Maris knows all things superheroes. Yes,
this is your specialty.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's the problem is like knowing too much about a
lot of different superheroes, but Batman is just a staple
in all of our lives.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So right off, right off the draw, is Batman Maris's
favorite superhero.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He's not, he's not and he's not even my favorite
in the DC versus. Okay, if I had to pick
a superhero out of d C, I'd probably mean on
John Stewart Green Lantern, Green Lantern.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, that I did not expect that. That is odd
to me. That's as a as a novelist when it
comes to superheroes, that seems very obscure.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It is, it's absolutely obscure.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But it's one of those things where when you spend
a lot of time, uh, just in superhero world, you
start to like gravitate to not not so popular ones.
I always will appreciate Batman and all of his chaos,
but it's Green Lantern is just uh, it's just a
different vibe.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna look at some of his best
stuff up. Yes, So for the purpose of this podcast,
you know, we're kind of like educating people about things
or you know, you know where. Obviously we're focused on
the nineties and two thousands. Yeah, nostalgic here love that time.
It is a great time. You're around you're younger than us,
but around the age that much younger. Well you were
you born eighty six? Oh yeah, you're younger by a lot,
(04:22):
by six years for me, four for me. Oh you're
the youngest in the room. Yeah, yeah, bad. Okay, Well
we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Take that as a compliment that you think we look young. Yes,
we're all young at heart.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Uh So, as Batman is described, yeah, he is a
figure blurred by the endless reinvention that this that is
modern mass culture. He is at once an icon in
a commodity, the perfect cultural artifact for the twenty first century?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Is that a good description?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It's it's one of those things where Batman, as Bruce
Wayne is who everybody strives to be like. He is
that iron man on the side of DC where he's
the playboy. He's out having fun, he's got an endless
amount of money to do whatever he wants with. And
then there's this alter ego where he can really let
loose on his own end, and that's where the vigilante
(05:10):
side comes in.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's dark. He's got a dark past. Yeah, so we
see that when he turns into Batman, right, and.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It humanizes him to an extent, Like a lot of superheroes,
within their origin they have something or even with villains,
they have the villain origin story that just pushes them
in this direction. And he could have gone either direction
as far as being a bad guy or a good
guy in this moment, but he chose to have a
code of honor as he's being a vigilante in this situation.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, very cool. So for this podcast, like I said,
we're talking of specific decades here, but for me, my
first kind of memory and thoughts of Batman was Michael Keaton. Yeah,
that's how I discovered Batman, late eighties. There's two movies, yeah,
ninety two. Michael Keaton was my Batman growing up? Was
that the same for time? Was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The second one more than the first. Batman returns in
ninety two. Yeah, that's my first real Batman.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's like I have I remember the movies, but it's
like Val Kilmer was my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That was ninety five. Yeah, Batman Batman forever.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, that was the one I really gravitated too. But
I also I think we all have fond memories of Catwoman.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The best that was Superhero Vixen. Is that a good
way to describe her.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, the cat suit.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh, the cat suit.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was turned us from boys to men real quick.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It was just you started looking at superhero movies very differently,
and it's just like, I didn't know Michelle Fiffer looked
that damn good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah you're a kid. Yeah yeah yeah, and it was
right in front of you. It wasn't scrambled like most
of the stuff I tried to watch it.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If you know, you know, yeah, yeah, that's why you
wait for the free weekends.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We made to do an episode of how we watched
that stuff back then versus now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Great topic. I could, I could talk.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
We had a whole side conversation in between breaks on
the morning wash Pit this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're like, can we talk about this on their but
ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This is where we do the conversations that you have
between exactly the segments on air.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, So Batman, your Batman was the Val Kilmer. That's
kind of where you that's where your journey.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I was really focused on Batman as Val Kilmer because
that I just remember two Face and the Riddler just
being a great duo and not even like a full duo,
but two different forces to take on in that movie.
Although when it really comes down to Batman, the animated
series really knocked at home for me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I want to get to that. Okay, I want to
get to that. No, no, we're good. But back to
the ninety five Batman, Yes, I mean star studded.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Tommy Lee Jones, yep, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Who was kind of born to be the Riddler or Joker,
I guess more Riddler.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Actually, it did such a great job as the Riddler,
and they didn't touch the Joker.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
In those nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're right, because Jack Nicholson would have been the last
Joker until the two thousands, right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And it was one of those things where Jack played
it so well.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I don't think they wanted to like interrupt how he
played the Joker because it was just like, oh, this
is iconic, and everybody who did come in and touch
a villain during those nineties movies really did step in
and make it their own.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It was very memorable for good and bad reasons and
some but yeah, they definitely stepped in, so Batman forever.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Who else was in this we have obviously Chris O'Donnell
played the role of Robin and then was that the
one with Nicole Kidman, I believe, Yeah, Nicole Kidman was
in Batman forever as well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, Drew Barrymore as well. I mean that's start starting for.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You were a celebrity actor in the nineties, you were
in a Batman movie.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Seriously, So this ninety five one was definitely star studying,
and it just speaks to like.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
The casting that they did and how serious they took
putting together these Batman movies.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So ninety five huge success obviously, I think it had
been years and it's a new Batman. It's a new
it's a new chapter in the story and his series.
I don't remember a recall if it was critically acclaimed
or not. I want to say the ones with with
Keaton were more so, yeah, because these ones they didn't
they weren't too they weren't more cartoony, but it felt
(09:16):
like they were more call her full.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If I'd have to look up the timeline of when
that animated series started, because I think that definitely drove
them switching to the ninety five movie and going we
should it would really be getting some toys out here.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It was ninety ninety five was the animated series.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, so yeah, like right as that's wrapping up there,
like okay, this was good on Fox. We've got something
here as far as like the toy side of things,
So like, how do we take the darkness of Batman
and still make it a little bit more kid friendly
keep the adults entertaining?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes, yeah, I a.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Career, right Brady. Though it was panned critically, that was
in Forever. It has a forty on Rotten Toy Oh
my god, thirty three for the audience score.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well good thing. As kids we did not care about.
It doesn't exist, so no, but you're right back to
the animated series though, this is this is starting to
be big. Kids are watching this in droves and you
got the you got the toys to go along with it.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, and like the animated series, like going back and
just look looking, hearing and seeing everything that they did
for the animated series, it's just like whoa. Like, as
a kid, you're just taking it in because it's like, oh, Batman.
But then you've got the duo of oh jeez, Mark
Hamill and as the voice yes, as the voice of
the Mark Hamill yes today years old?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Really yeah? Hold on Batman.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
We've seen it a million times too, because I know
that was that was in heavy rotation. My brother was
obsessed with the Batman cartoon series.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So it was Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy and as
when I hear Batman, that's who I hear specifically from
the animated series, and it's just allow. The series allowed
them to go in a lot of different areas and
not just stay Oh, we need to focus on the Joker.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh, we need to focus on the Riddler.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Like they hit all of the Batman enemies, and it
was one of the first times they were like, Okay,
let's get into a dark, gritty cartoon, but still position
it towards kids and they're gonna get it, Like we
don't need to shy away and keep the kids safe
from Batman at this point.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And then it worked really well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It was great and speaking of things that did for
kids at that time, speaking as a dorky kid in
those days, believe it also spawned the first Batman video
game based on the animated series on the game Boy. Yeah,
the original game Boy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I forget about that great first before anything, I believe,
so I remember a Batman for some reason, I could
be completely wrong on Sega.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, that definitely feels like it was like the right timeline.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I definitely forget about a lot of game Boy games
in general, because it's either you had them or you didn't.
If you didn't play it, you just never thought about it.
But I remember going back to Sega specifically. But I mean,
there's just a great time because it was all arcade
side scrolling games and it wasn't overly too difficult, so
you could play it and play with friends and get
through the game in a like a day versus you know,
(12:10):
you're paying for twenty hours for video games.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now you had to get through it in a day
because it didn't save I don't think those days. So
if you didn't, if you shut it off, you were
starting from level one.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh yeah, or the batteries run out.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah that the batteries still run out here, by the way,
nothing's changed. So back to the ninety five real quick.
So you got the cartoon in the ninety five, talk
about the music, right, The soundtrack was phenomenal dance.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I mean a couple of huge soundtracks that you had.
So Batman Forever had you two Only May Kill Me?
It had the song that we all drunkenly sang in
the middle of the dance floor at your wedding seal.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A great song to sing when you're drunk. Yep, it's so.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Or on a boat in the middle of Lake Michigan.
There's really no go to.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's really our go to. Yeah, whenever a couple of
white Claws have been consumed.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Okay, so I mean and then ninety seven you have
the Batman and Robins soundtrack had Smashing Pumpkins. Oh had
uh number that r Kelly before we knew. Yeah, who
R Kelly really was was his Gotha city the City. Yeah,
it had jewel foolish games that originally on her album Redone,
And I think I almost certain that was the radio version.
(13:26):
Was the bat went to number one soundtrack version? Yeah,
went to number one.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But flashback even further the previous decade, Prince put out a.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Whole entire hour Prince. YEP, the whole soundtrack by Prince
in eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's crazy how much music came from Batman.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So uh so the ninety seven Dan you mentioned this
is now we have out of nowhere. George Clooney decided
he wanted to be Batman this is iconic Batneples, and
it's one of those things where you look at George
Clooney and you wouldn't say this is going to go bad.
But why do you say that? Because of how popular
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he was?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, George was the he was on er at the time.
He's very popular.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You already had a solid Robin that you know already worked,
so you're just kind of thinking what could go wrong here? Yeah,
and still I know it is gotten a lot of grief,
but I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Because you're such a fan. You can't hate on any
of them, even though you might not love them as
much as the other ones. But you find something you like.
Did you like Arnold? Did you like Arnold as Doctor Freeze?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I think it was poison Ivy that sold it for
me at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
If I'm sensing a pattern, Okay, so Batman Forever had
a forty on Rotten Tomatoes. You want to take a
guess what Batman and Robin got on Rotten.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Tomatoes, like twenty six lower?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I honestly don't know if I've seen a Rotten Tomatoes
score this low. It got a twelve no from the
critics of sixteen Yeah, from the audience.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's pretty terrible. IMNNA have to watch it and see
how bad it really was.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, there's a rewatch that needs to happen because like again,
like I have fond memories of just being like, yeah,
Batman and it was just like.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, it doesn't say it might not stand the test
of time if you go back, but at the same time,
it might bring you back memories.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I just don't think we gave a crap about like
what was critically well written and enacted in those days,
and like we were entertained.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So those scores still hole to today.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Like a lot of comic book movies in general don't
get critically acclaimed, but like as fans, we still flock
to them and go, I like it because I like
this superhero whomever it is being featured.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Nostalgic too, Yeah, yeah, you go for what you love.
We're gonna we're gonna dabble now into the next decade
because Batman the franchise takes a complete left turn Christopher
Nolan gets his hands on it, and all of a
sudden we get we go from dark to darkest.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And I think as far as Batman goes this is
exactly where they need it to go, because after ninety seven,
it was just like, we've got to pivot, We've got
to make we got to make this feel a lot
more real, because I think that was the biggest complaint
that was hokey. It was very it was a little
too much fun. It was a little too much geared
towards kids. And they said, hey, these Batman fans have
(16:10):
grown up a little bit, right, Let's give them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
A real story.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, and that's what they did. And I remember the
opening scene with Christian Bale as Batman and you're like, oh,
this is how this is going to go. Yeah, like
people like parents dying over here, like this is not
your this is not your kids cartoon show that you
watched ten years prior, and it's.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They showed it right, They did show it, Okay. So yeah,
and I was taking a big, big step to set
the tone and it's it just lets you know the
story was going to go a lot deep, deeper and
darker as far as Batman goes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So, Dan, do you have any memories of Christian Bale
as Batman? Was he your favorite Batman? Did you not
really get into it at that point?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I mean I don't know. I I'm very I'm partial
to Veal Kilmore Val Val Kilmour, Yeah, man, but yeah,
I mean I remember the turn to darker for sure,
like that hits you right away, right, but this is
not your nineties Batman that you watched as a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, and then of course we get the great iconic
Joker performance.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And we were just talking about this today because obviously
Valkimer has been kind of top of mind for a
lot of people, and Batman keeps up surging around in
conversation and it's one of those things where he if
Heath had have gone a little bit lighter on the
Joker performance, well, we still have Heath today to continue acting,
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to be in the third movie as it was as
they had it planned originally. But then you look at
the performance and go, I don't know how you step
into that space to be that for the months of
filming and then to give us that great performance, but
finding out how hard it was to step out of it,
and whatever else might have been going on with Heath
at that time, it's just like it's it's a fitting
(18:00):
nod to a final movie.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, that's that. I mean, that was probably the best
role and when it came to superhero movies, for a
villain villain in my opinion, that I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Because it's I always think of like a good villain
as if you start sympathizing with the villain at a
certain part in the movie and then it's just like.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
What wha wha who whoa whoa whoa wo I'm not
supposed to feel bad for this guy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He's a murderer.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's just like, it was like, why are you making
sense right now?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's like I want to follow you. It's like you
get sucked into that energy and then it's like, okay,
and this is why Joker had so many followers, and
that's why he was when they built him up in
that lane. It was like, oh, people are following the
Joker for this specific reason.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And he gave you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It was a lot of psychology. And the one good
thing that a good villain does is even though they're wrong,
they make you believe that they're right because in their
mind they're right right. So if you put you if
you have that's some sort of weird kind of villain empathy,
and you put yourself and you see the world through
their eyes. You're like, oh, that makes sense a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So, And that's the fun thing about Arkham in general,
because we know everybody is absolutely crazy, and the psychology
behind getting behind a lot of those villains is what
do they believe to be truly honest in their life?
So you look at everybody's motivation for why they are
who they are and Arkham and then you look at
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Batman and it's just like, oh, is Batman the villain
in this situation because he's going around and beating up
the mentally insane people.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Mm.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And it's always that's always been like a big conversation,
but that's just how Joker kind of spins things, or
how he would spend it to Batman, like, hey, you're
messed up too, buddy.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I like that had like societal undertones too, you know what,
particularly you know what with what was going on around
the world and around our country at those times too,
which is what.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The comics kind of did.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They always reflected the world and.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They still do to an extent.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh, please discuss dabble under the let's really peel this
nerd layer of.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So I like Batman not being my favorite, but sticking
with comics in general, when you're paying attention to even
the shows, the movies, the cartoons, the comics, they all
pepper at what's happening in current days so that it
can be relatable.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And just shifting.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
X Men is one of the best ones because it
is an allegory towards the civil.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Rights movement, and people look.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
If you are not paying attention, you won't see it,
but you do often see how the X Men are
being treated versus what would be a nonhuman, non mutant
in that situation, and it continues to you can continue
to step in that vein and it's still something that's
going on today. So that's one of the good reasons why,
you know, you look at the comics, you look at
(20:47):
the movies because it was speaking to something and it
had a little bit of an undertone, but it's there.
So it's opening your eyes in a different way to
a lot of situations as they're going on.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Wow, I did not know how deep comic books could be. Maris,
thank you for the insights.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I you know, I try something.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
How many comic books do you own? Like do we
go to your to like your mom's basement from when
you grew up and there's boxes and boxes or do
you do you let them go?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I have started collecting more as an adult. You have
that adult money, and it's just like, let me go
back and start getting some.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Of the comics.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Specifically, if I may recommend a Batman comic, The Killing Joke,
extremely dark, Joker kidnaps the bat family, okay, and hoping
I'm gonna remember this correctly, he basically sitts them out
all down at a table and tortures Batman as he's
torturing the rest of the family. And there's a specific
(21:42):
part within the comic where Joker actually peels his face
off to show how crazy he is in the middle
of all of this.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And now I gotta go reread.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Now, when you collect these, are you a collector for
are you reading them? Or are you like making sure
they're covered in plastic preserve.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
They're like I have my pop collection, my Vinyl Funko pops,
and I haven't figured out what to do with them yet,
so they stay in the little boxes until I find
out if there's gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Be value or not.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
There are specific comics that I'll try to keep in
really good condition just so that they can have some
resale value later, but I am reading.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm going to try and get through them.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
While we have you here, because this is year the
expert on all this stuff. Do you go to comic cons?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'm going to see two e two this weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It's this weekend.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Okay, it is this weekend. You can probably I have
been going for the last four years. It was something
that after the pandemic, I really said, I want to
go out and see more things and get out and
do more stuff. And then it was just like I've
never been. So each year I've kind of learned how
to navigate because it's overwhelming there.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There's a little bit of everything. At C two e two.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You have everybody that's stressed up, and I feel bad
about not dressing up, but that takes time and there's
a lot of great people who design their outfits.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You don't want to half asset. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I don't want to half acid. I'd rather just show
up and and show appreciate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What percent of people do you think aren't dressed up?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Aren't dressed up? I'd say about it. It's probably about
a fifty to fifty because they do have the costume
contest that they have. They have panels on how to
build your costumes, and there's just a whole community that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Gets built out of that.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
While you're at C two e two, you have a
lot of the comic book writers that are on site,
you have a lot of the artists who are drawn
for the comics that are there. Kevin Eastman from The
Ninja Turtles was on site a few years ago, which
is really what forced.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Me into as a big Ninja turtlehead. Who else was there? Oh?
This year they have a Lord of the Rings reunion happening.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
John Boyega is going to be there from Star Wars
speaking about Star Wars specifically. The Breakfast Club is reuniting
at C two e two this year. It's just like
every little fandom, every little verse, they have it well
represented there and it's just fun to just be in
the same room.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
With like minded people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I love it. I do. I do a pilgrimage to
WrestleMania every year and it's the same kind of thing.
It's just people just like suspending reality for a couple
of days and just being nerds together. Not a good
time to be on dating apps. Maybe wait, wait, some
of these women I will say that, do cosplay like
(24:17):
they get paid good money?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, I'm their only fans. There's some of the best
social influencers around.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And it's one of those things where like, if you
see a beautiful woman at a comic con, an event
like that or WrestleMania, they're the ratio is off right,
So like, if there's one of them, there's probably like
fifty guys all around.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Being like, I'm gonna holler at her, and it's just like, nah,
not this weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's like when you go out with your boys and
the one friend is like, I think the bartender likes me.
I think she likes me. She gave me extra whiskey.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sure, she's sitting on you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah. It's the Hooters effect exact exactly. Dude.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We could talk more, but I really appreciate you coming on,
hopping on to them, sharing your expertise, and it's very educational.
I learned about learned about Batman. We didn't do Unpopular Opinion, but.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I'm gonna oh there we go, go for it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Gotta have one unpopular opinion.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh boy, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Alicia Silverstone my favorite of all my favorite of all
the females from Batman. That's an unpopular opinion right there.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean, I don't think childhood Dan could possibly disagree
with you on that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Are we talking about across all the bat verses?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All the bat verses?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You're just gonna forget about halle Berry like that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, that's why I said unpopular. I'm the unpopular guy.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And there was Ann Hathaway as Catwoman later.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And I'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with it. I'm
going because of the Aerosmith.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Videos ever since, ever since that video.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, awesible Merris, thank you so much. It was a
great time hanging out Dan as always. Next time we're
gonna have to do uh should.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
We do fashion?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Actually, who could be talking fashion? Do all the things
you can do to podcasts.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Subscribe, get, buy a megaphone at the store, go to this,
go to a crowded street, shout us out all of it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's the Brady One More Time podcast. We'll talk to
you next time.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Later,
Number nineteen.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Brady one More Time.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'll look back on all things nineties and two thousands,
the movies, Bruce Wayne, why you dressed up like Batman?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Because he is Batman?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You moren the music, kiss bab Ruse. The awkwardness. Does
anybody else feel like a friting?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Never bit more? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Here's your host, Brady Broski. Think of welcome, Welcome, this
is it. I am the Brady part of the Brady
one More Time podcast and joining me as always. The
kickball came. What a man who was seconds away from
winning thousands of dollars last night, but Houston ruined that
for you. I mean I would due.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I had so much luck to this point it all
had to come crashing down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I was rooting for you, Bud.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was almost a double dribble, which I don't know
if that would have held. But the whole thing was
just I will say, yeah, it was a disaster.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But it was also heads up with him, and I
know this is we're getting already off topic. It was
also pretty heads up with him to not touch the
ball after he did that, because he knew He's like,
if I touch this ball, the game's over. So he
just tried to like block out Florida dudes, hoping one
of his teammates would just like run over and chuck
it up and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Also, just chuck the ball and see what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right right to yourself a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, watching that play, it made me feel like he
was hoping that nobody was watching him, right, I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Think about thirty million.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, there was a lot of people watching Dangerous Dan Ginsbrough.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's kickball opening night to night. Of course it snowed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's like thirty degrees out break condition. Yeah, oh my goodness.
What's the season outlook? What do you guys projected? How
what's the well? Were the defending champs from last fall?
KICKI Minaj?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, KICKI Minaj is coming in as defending champs, but uh,
you know we've got some challenges out there. Okay, our
Democratic Republic of kickball always gives us a run for
our money.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Why do I feel like that's not a joke. Well,
we will be rooting for you all kickball season. Keep
us posting. I love watching on on the ohoy, that's
always a good time and with us say very special guest.
We had to bring this man in because he is
one of the hosts of the morning mosh pit here
weekday mornings Rock ninety five five. Thank you, and is
(02:23):
he's kind of like the building here, the cluster here
in Chicago. I heart Radio Chicago. Like the superhero connoisseur.
Would you say? Is that a good title?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nerd is also accepting.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The nerd the one and only Mars Mighty.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Maris is here our first ever in person in studio guests.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh my goodness, you would be number one.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
This is an honor you always remember your first time.
Take it to be gentle with us, please.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I absolutely will try.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We got a fun topic. And the reason we had
to bring you in here is because I was talking
to Dan a couple of weeks ago after this, the
sad and untimely passing of Val Kilmer. Yes, I say,
you know what, why don't we Why don't we mix
it up? Wy don't we do a Batman episode?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I was like, dang, Maris knows all things superheroes. Yes,
this is your specialty.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's the problem is like knowing too much about a
lot of different superheroes, but Batman is just a staple
in all of our lives.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So right off, right off the draw, is Batman Maris's
favorite superhero.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
He's not, he's not and he's not even my favorite
in the DC versus. Okay, if I had to pick
a superhero out of d C, I'd probably mean on
John Stewart Green Lantern, Green Lantern.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, that I did not expect that. That is odd
to me. That's as a as a novelist when it
comes to superheroes, that seems very obscure.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It is, it's absolutely obscure.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But it's one of those things where when you spend
a lot of time, uh, just in superhero world, you
start to like gravitate to not not so popular ones.
I always will appreciate Batman and all of his chaos,
but it's Green Lantern is just uh, it's just a
different vibe.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna look at some of his best
stuff up. Yes, So for the purpose of this podcast,
you know, we're kind of like educating people about things
or you know, you know where. Obviously we're focused on
the nineties and two thousands. Yeah, nostalgic here love that time.
It is a great time. You're around you're younger than us,
but around the age that much younger. Well you were
you born eighty six? Oh yeah, you're younger by a lot,
(04:22):
by six years for me, four for me. Oh you're
the youngest in the room. Yeah, yeah, bad. Okay, Well
we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Take that as a compliment that you think we look young. Yes,
we're all young at heart.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Uh So, as Batman is described, yeah, he is a
figure blurred by the endless reinvention that this that is
modern mass culture. He is at once an icon in
a commodity, the perfect cultural artifact for the twenty first century?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Is that a good description?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It's it's one of those things where Batman, as Bruce
Wayne is who everybody strives to be like. He is
that iron man on the side of DC where he's
the playboy. He's out having fun, he's got an endless
amount of money to do whatever he wants with. And
then there's this alter ego where he can really let
loose on his own end, and that's where the vigilante
(05:10):
side comes in.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's dark. He's got a dark past. Yeah, so we
see that when he turns into Batman, right, and.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It humanizes him to an extent, Like a lot of superheroes,
within their origin they have something or even with villains,
they have the villain origin story that just pushes them
in this direction. And he could have gone either direction
as far as being a bad guy or a good
guy in this moment, but he chose to have a
code of honor as he's being a vigilante in this situation.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, very cool. So for this podcast, like I said,
we're talking of specific decades here, but for me, my
first kind of memory and thoughts of Batman was Michael Keaton. Yeah,
that's how I discovered Batman, late eighties. There's two movies, yeah,
ninety two. Michael Keaton was my Batman growing up? Was
that the same for time? Was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The second one more than the first. Batman returns in
ninety two. Yeah, that's my first real Batman.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's like I have I remember the movies, but it's
like Val Kilmer was my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That was ninety five. Yeah, Batman Batman forever.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, that was the one I really gravitated too. But
I also I think we all have fond memories of Catwoman.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The best that was Superhero Vixen. Is that a good
way to describe her.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, the cat suit.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh, the cat suit.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was turned us from boys to men real quick.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It was just you started looking at superhero movies very differently,
and it's just like, I didn't know Michelle Fiffer looked
that damn good.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah you're a kid. Yeah yeah yeah, and it was
right in front of you. It wasn't scrambled like most
of the stuff I tried to watch it.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If you know, you know, yeah, yeah, that's why you
wait for the free weekends.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We made to do an episode of how we watched
that stuff back then versus now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Great topic. I could, I could talk.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
We had a whole side conversation in between breaks on
the morning wash Pit this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're like, can we talk about this on their but
ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This is where we do the conversations that you have
between exactly the segments on air.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, So Batman, your Batman was the Val Kilmer. That's
kind of where you that's where your journey.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I was really focused on Batman as Val Kilmer because
that I just remember two Face and the Riddler just
being a great duo and not even like a full duo,
but two different forces to take on in that movie.
Although when it really comes down to Batman, the animated
series really knocked at home for me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I want to get to that. Okay, I want to
get to that. No, no, we're good. But back to
the ninety five Batman, Yes, I mean star studded.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Tommy Lee Jones, yep, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Who was kind of born to be the Riddler or Joker,
I guess more Riddler.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Actually, it did such a great job as the Riddler,
and they didn't touch the Joker.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
In those nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're right, because Jack Nicholson would have been the last
Joker until the two thousands, right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And it was one of those things where Jack played
it so well.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I don't think they wanted to like interrupt how he
played the Joker because it was just like, oh, this
is iconic, and everybody who did come in and touch
a villain during those nineties movies really did step in
and make it their own.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It was very memorable for good and bad reasons and
some but yeah, they definitely stepped in, so Batman forever.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Who else was in this we have obviously Chris O'Donnell
played the role of Robin and then was that the
one with Nicole Kidman, I believe, Yeah, Nicole Kidman was
in Batman forever as well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, Drew Barrymore as well. I mean that's start starting for.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You were a celebrity actor in the nineties, you were
in a Batman movie.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Seriously, So this ninety five one was definitely star studying,
and it just speaks to like.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
The casting that they did and how serious they took
putting together these Batman movies.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So ninety five huge success obviously, I think it had
been years and it's a new Batman. It's a new
it's a new chapter in the story and his series.
I don't remember a recall if it was critically acclaimed
or not. I want to say the ones with with
Keaton were more so, yeah, because these ones they didn't
they weren't too they weren't more cartoony, but it felt
(09:16):
like they were more call her full.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If I'd have to look up the timeline of when
that animated series started, because I think that definitely drove
them switching to the ninety five movie and going we
should it would really be getting some toys out here.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It was ninety ninety five was the animated series.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, so yeah, like right as that's wrapping up there,
like okay, this was good on Fox. We've got something
here as far as like the toy side of things,
So like, how do we take the darkness of Batman
and still make it a little bit more kid friendly
keep the adults entertaining?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes, yeah, I a.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Career, right Brady. Though it was panned critically, that was
in Forever. It has a forty on Rotten Toy Oh
my god, thirty three for the audience score.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well good thing. As kids we did not care about.
It doesn't exist, so no, but you're right back to
the animated series though, this is this is starting to
be big. Kids are watching this in droves and you
got the you got the toys to go along with it.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, and like the animated series, like going back and
just look looking, hearing and seeing everything that they did
for the animated series, it's just like whoa. Like, as
a kid, you're just taking it in because it's like, oh, Batman.
But then you've got the duo of oh jeez, Mark
Hamill and as the voice yes, as the voice of
the Mark Hamill yes today years old?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Really yeah? Hold on Batman.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
We've seen it a million times too, because I know
that was that was in heavy rotation. My brother was
obsessed with the Batman cartoon series.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So it was Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy and as
when I hear Batman, that's who I hear specifically from
the animated series, and it's just allow. The series allowed
them to go in a lot of different areas and
not just stay Oh, we need to focus on the Joker.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh, we need to focus on the Riddler.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Like they hit all of the Batman enemies, and it
was one of the first times they were like, Okay,
let's get into a dark, gritty cartoon, but still position
it towards kids and they're gonna get it, Like we
don't need to shy away and keep the kids safe
from Batman at this point.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And then it worked really well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It was great and speaking of things that did for
kids at that time, speaking as a dorky kid in
those days, believe it also spawned the first Batman video
game based on the animated series on the game Boy. Yeah,
the original game Boy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I forget about that great first before anything, I believe,
so I remember a Batman for some reason, I could
be completely wrong on Sega.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, that definitely feels like it was like the right timeline.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I definitely forget about a lot of game Boy games
in general, because it's either you had them or you didn't.
If you didn't play it, you just never thought about it.
But I remember going back to Sega specifically. But I mean,
there's just a great time because it was all arcade
side scrolling games and it wasn't overly too difficult, so
you could play it and play with friends and get
through the game in a like a day versus you know,
(12:10):
you're paying for twenty hours for video games.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now you had to get through it in a day
because it didn't save I don't think those days. So
if you didn't, if you shut it off, you were
starting from level one.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh yeah, or the batteries run out.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah that the batteries still run out here, by the way,
nothing's changed. So back to the ninety five real quick.
So you got the cartoon in the ninety five, talk
about the music, right, The soundtrack was phenomenal dance.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I mean a couple of huge soundtracks that you had.
So Batman Forever had you two Only May Kill Me?
It had the song that we all drunkenly sang in
the middle of the dance floor at your wedding seal.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A great song to sing when you're drunk. Yep, it's so.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Or on a boat in the middle of Lake Michigan.
There's really no go to.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's really our go to. Yeah, whenever a couple of
white Claws have been consumed.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Okay, so I mean and then ninety seven you have
the Batman and Robins soundtrack had Smashing Pumpkins. Oh had
uh number that r Kelly before we knew. Yeah, who
R Kelly really was was his Gotha city the City. Yeah,
it had jewel foolish games that originally on her album Redone,
And I think I almost certain that was the radio version.
(13:26):
Was the bat went to number one soundtrack version? Yeah,
went to number one.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But flashback even further the previous decade, Prince put out a.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Whole entire hour Prince. YEP, the whole soundtrack by Prince
in eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's crazy how much music came from Batman.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So uh so the ninety seven Dan you mentioned this
is now we have out of nowhere. George Clooney decided
he wanted to be Batman this is iconic Batneples, and
it's one of those things where you look at George
Clooney and you wouldn't say this is going to go bad.
But why do you say that? Because of how popular
(13:59):
he was?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, George was the he was on er at the time.
He's very popular.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You already had a solid Robin that you know already worked,
so you're just kind of thinking what could go wrong here? Yeah,
and still I know it is gotten a lot of grief,
but I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Because you're such a fan. You can't hate on any
of them, even though you might not love them as
much as the other ones. But you find something you like.
Did you like Arnold? Did you like Arnold as Doctor Freeze?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I think it was poison Ivy that sold it for
me at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
If I'm sensing a pattern, Okay, so Batman Forever had
a forty on Rotten Tomatoes. You want to take a
guess what Batman and Robin got on Rotten.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Tomatoes, like twenty six lower?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I honestly don't know if I've seen a Rotten Tomatoes
score this low. It got a twelve no from the
critics of sixteen Yeah, from the audience.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's pretty terrible. IMNNA have to watch it and see
how bad it really was.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, there's a rewatch that needs to happen because like again,
like I have fond memories of just being like, yeah,
Batman and it was just like.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, it doesn't say it might not stand the test
of time if you go back, but at the same time,
it might bring you back memories.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I just don't think we gave a crap about like
what was critically well written and enacted in those days,
and like we were entertained.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So those scores still hole to today.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Like a lot of comic book movies in general don't
get critically acclaimed, but like as fans, we still flock
to them and go, I like it because I like
this superhero whomever it is being featured.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Nostalgic too, Yeah, yeah, you go for what you love.
We're gonna we're gonna dabble now into the next decade
because Batman the franchise takes a complete left turn Christopher
Nolan gets his hands on it, and all of a
sudden we get we go from dark to darkest.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And I think as far as Batman goes this is
exactly where they need it to go, because after ninety seven,
it was just like, we've got to pivot, We've got
to make we got to make this feel a lot
more real, because I think that was the biggest complaint
that was hokey. It was very it was a little
too much fun. It was a little too much geared
towards kids. And they said, hey, these Batman fans have
(16:10):
grown up a little bit, right, Let's give them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
A real story.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, and that's what they did. And I remember the
opening scene with Christian Bale as Batman and you're like, oh,
this is how this is going to go. Yeah, like
people like parents dying over here, like this is not
your this is not your kids cartoon show that you
watched ten years prior, and it's.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They showed it right, They did show it, Okay. So yeah,
and I was taking a big, big step to set
the tone and it's it just lets you know the
story was going to go a lot deep, deeper and
darker as far as Batman goes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So, Dan, do you have any memories of Christian Bale
as Batman? Was he your favorite Batman? Did you not
really get into it at that point?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I mean I don't know. I I'm very I'm partial
to Veal Kilmore Val Val Kilmour, Yeah, man, but yeah,
I mean I remember the turn to darker for sure,
like that hits you right away, right, but this is
not your nineties Batman that you watched as a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, and then of course we get the great iconic
Joker performance.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And we were just talking about this today because obviously
Valkimer has been kind of top of mind for a
lot of people, and Batman keeps up surging around in
conversation and it's one of those things where he if
Heath had have gone a little bit lighter on the
Joker performance, well, we still have Heath today to continue acting,
(17:37):
to be in the third movie as it was as
they had it planned originally. But then you look at
the performance and go, I don't know how you step
into that space to be that for the months of
filming and then to give us that great performance, but
finding out how hard it was to step out of it,
and whatever else might have been going on with Heath
at that time, it's just like it's it's a fitting
(18:00):
nod to a final movie.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, that's that. I mean, that was probably the best
role and when it came to superhero movies, for a
villain villain in my opinion, that I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Because it's I always think of like a good villain
as if you start sympathizing with the villain at a
certain part in the movie and then it's just like.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
What wha wha who whoa whoa whoa wo I'm not
supposed to feel bad for this guy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He's a murderer.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's just like, it was like, why are you making
sense right now?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's like I want to follow you. It's like you
get sucked into that energy and then it's like, okay,
and this is why Joker had so many followers, and
that's why he was when they built him up in
that lane. It was like, oh, people are following the
Joker for this specific reason.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And he gave you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It was a lot of psychology. And the one good
thing that a good villain does is even though they're wrong,
they make you believe that they're right because in their
mind they're right right. So if you put you if
you have that's some sort of weird kind of villain empathy,
and you put yourself and you see the world through
their eyes. You're like, oh, that makes sense a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So, And that's the fun thing about Arkham in general,
because we know everybody is absolutely crazy, and the psychology
behind getting behind a lot of those villains is what
do they believe to be truly honest in their life?
So you look at everybody's motivation for why they are
who they are and Arkham and then you look at
(19:22):
Batman and it's just like, oh, is Batman the villain
in this situation because he's going around and beating up
the mentally insane people.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Mm.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And it's always that's always been like a big conversation,
but that's just how Joker kind of spins things, or
how he would spend it to Batman, like, hey, you're
messed up too, buddy.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I like that had like societal undertones too, you know what,
particularly you know what with what was going on around
the world and around our country at those times too,
which is what.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The comics kind of did.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They always reflected the world and.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They still do to an extent.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh, please discuss dabble under the let's really peel this
nerd layer of.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So I like Batman not being my favorite, but sticking
with comics in general, when you're paying attention to even
the shows, the movies, the cartoons, the comics, they all
pepper at what's happening in current days so that it
can be relatable.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And just shifting.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
X Men is one of the best ones because it
is an allegory towards the civil.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Rights movement, and people look.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
If you are not paying attention, you won't see it,
but you do often see how the X Men are
being treated versus what would be a nonhuman, non mutant
in that situation, and it continues to you can continue
to step in that vein and it's still something that's
going on today. So that's one of the good reasons why,
you know, you look at the comics, you look at
(20:47):
the movies because it was speaking to something and it
had a little bit of an undertone, but it's there.
So it's opening your eyes in a different way to
a lot of situations as they're going on.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Wow, I did not know how deep comic books could be. Maris,
thank you for the insights.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I you know, I try something.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
How many comic books do you own? Like do we
go to your to like your mom's basement from when
you grew up and there's boxes and boxes or do
you do you let them go?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I have started collecting more as an adult. You have
that adult money, and it's just like, let me go
back and start getting some.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Of the comics.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Specifically, if I may recommend a Batman comic, The Killing Joke,
extremely dark, Joker kidnaps the bat family, okay, and hoping
I'm gonna remember this correctly, he basically sitts them out
all down at a table and tortures Batman as he's
torturing the rest of the family. And there's a specific
(21:42):
part within the comic where Joker actually peels his face
off to show how crazy he is in the middle
of all of this.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And now I gotta go reread.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Now, when you collect these, are you a collector for
are you reading them? Or are you like making sure
they're covered in plastic preserve.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
They're like I have my pop collection, my Vinyl Funko pops,
and I haven't figured out what to do with them yet,
so they stay in the little boxes until I find
out if there's gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Be value or not.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
There are specific comics that I'll try to keep in
really good condition just so that they can have some
resale value later, but I am reading.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm going to try and get through them.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
While we have you here, because this is year the
expert on all this stuff. Do you go to comic cons?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'm going to see two e two this weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It's this weekend.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Okay, it is this weekend. You can probably I have
been going for the last four years. It was something
that after the pandemic, I really said, I want to
go out and see more things and get out and
do more stuff. And then it was just like I've
never been. So each year I've kind of learned how
to navigate because it's overwhelming there.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There's a little bit of everything. At C two e two.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You have everybody that's stressed up, and I feel bad
about not dressing up, but that takes time and there's
a lot of great people who design their outfits.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You don't want to half asset. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I don't want to half acid. I'd rather just show
up and and show appreciate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What percent of people do you think aren't dressed up?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Aren't dressed up? I'd say about it. It's probably about
a fifty to fifty because they do have the costume
contest that they have. They have panels on how to
build your costumes, and there's just a whole community that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Gets built out of that.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
While you're at C two e two, you have a
lot of the comic book writers that are on site,
you have a lot of the artists who are drawn
for the comics that are there. Kevin Eastman from The
Ninja Turtles was on site a few years ago, which
is really what forced.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Me into as a big Ninja turtlehead. Who else was there? Oh?
This year they have a Lord of the Rings reunion happening.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
John Boyega is going to be there from Star Wars
speaking about Star Wars specifically. The Breakfast Club is reuniting
at C two e two this year. It's just like
every little fandom, every little verse, they have it well
represented there and it's just fun to just be in
the same room.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
With like minded people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I love it. I do. I do a pilgrimage to
WrestleMania every year and it's the same kind of thing.
It's just people just like suspending reality for a couple
of days and just being nerds together. Not a good
time to be on dating apps. Maybe wait, wait, some
of these women I will say that, do cosplay like
(24:17):
they get paid good money?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, I'm their only fans. There's some of the best
social influencers around.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And it's one of those things where like, if you
see a beautiful woman at a comic con, an event
like that or WrestleMania, they're the ratio is off right,
So like, if there's one of them, there's probably like
fifty guys all around.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Being like, I'm gonna holler at her, and it's just like, nah,
not this weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's like when you go out with your boys and
the one friend is like, I think the bartender likes me.
I think she likes me. She gave me extra whiskey.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sure, she's sitting on you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah. It's the Hooters effect exact exactly. Dude.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We could talk more, but I really appreciate you coming on,
hopping on to them, sharing your expertise, and it's very educational.
I learned about learned about Batman. We didn't do Unpopular Opinion, but.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I'm gonna oh there we go, go for it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Gotta have one unpopular opinion.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh boy, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Alicia Silverstone my favorite of all my favorite of all
the females from Batman. That's an unpopular opinion right there.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean, I don't think childhood Dan could possibly disagree
with you on that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Are we talking about across all the bat verses?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All the bat verses?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You're just gonna forget about halle Berry like that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, that's why I said unpopular. I'm the unpopular guy.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And there was Ann Hathaway as Catwoman later.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And I'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with it. I'm
going because of the Aerosmith.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Videos ever since, ever since that video.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, awesible Merris, thank you so much. It was a
great time hanging out Dan as always. Next time we're
gonna have to do uh should.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
We do fashion?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Actually, who could be talking fashion? Do all the things
you can do to podcasts.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Subscribe, get, buy a megaphone at the store, go to this,
go to a crowded street, shout us out all of it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's the Brady One More Time podcast. We'll talk to
you next time.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Later,
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