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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Julius. Let's just die right in. Okay, I interview a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Everyone's got a different Germany. Let's start with Cris.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You end up playing ball at Sacred Heart out of
high school.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What led you to Sacred Heart? Sacred Heart was? Where
is Sacred Heart? Okay, Cigaret, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
A small school, you know, I said, I've been Connecticut, Fairfield, Connecticut,
one of the best county than America.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Wow of money out there, yes, but I had no
idea about it. High school. My quotes pulled me out
of class one.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Daylight Yeo, Sacred Heart, we want to offer you the
Scott shain.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
D one.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm like, all right, let's go. It's started like, yeah,
we want to offer you right now. But my problem
was high school. My grades back, so I wasn't getting
the looks. I'm talking to transcript time, you know. But
I was like, Yo, we're gonna wait for you to qualify.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'll be taking essay teens. Uh. So I signed the
late qualified, got late the lakeside. But they'll get you
in there that Yeah, they'll figure.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm a bad sat story. We're gonna be good by
the time it's time.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Ago.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So end up signed with them and the history is there.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Wow, did you go visit the campus before you ended
up signing or did actually committed on my official so
that was my only official idea.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So you had an idea, like you know what the
campus felt like, you know, the coaches, flating departments, school,
so they showed you all that. Well, I went up
there by with my sister, Like, my parents didn't come
with me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
My my mom had surged you for something, so my
dad stayed that with my mom and my sister flew
from Charlotte. She lived in Charlotte at the time. She
flew from Charlotte and met me up there, so I
wasn't alone. And I'm like doing this old thing. But
like I'm like this camping it is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I really had no idea what college campus, no perspective
to comparison my first one.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm like, Yo, this is sick, like block real sick
one time. This is crazy, like they got an old,
dying campus. I'm like, Yo, this is sick. Yeah, well
I would like high school like because and I'll hit
this again. When I first met you when we're training
for Lardal, But man, you look the part like if
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I didn't know anything about you and I never saw
you play or workout or anything, why do you think
Second Heart was the only the one offer or was
it like what made you not to get you know,
recruited from anywhere else? It's the small school, like what
was kind of that before you actually went to college?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I was at a camp and Central Connecticut was
also a member of school.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Then they offered me, but the coach had left, so
I didn't pick full the offer or whatever it was.
But that was the only other school.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And then but like I said, were uh gretest part
was spread flag?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah all right, see it was schools calling me. I
was getting nail but transcript.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
H yeah, but it wouldn't use the players you as
a student, yeah, and that stuff, because dude, I mean
I played with some guys and now this this is
not do with you, but there were some guys that
I played with that either didn't take school seriously. And
if you're I guess underlooked guy or overlooked, right, it
(03:41):
would be the best way. If you're not a big
time of crew and you're small or you're not as
fast or whatever, you gotta get perfect and I had
one of my one of my closest friends was he
was also my best receivers. I played quarterback in high school. Man,
he's like five, you know, one forty on a good day.
I hate the move he gets. It was not and
(04:01):
I was like his dam near recruiter like I was
reached because like some of these schools were kind of
recruited me, but it was smaller like East Sextus. Factors. First,
the Marshall uh ulm. You like something rambling, because that's
why if Road I have a head coach, I you know,
I got a guy. He's really really good. But unfortunately
the grades was there. Then I played with dudes. Being
(04:23):
where I'm from, they didn't know whether to be at
Lidstar or football Star, you know, so they get lost
in that and you know then because they want to
possibly just be at lit Star. The grades are not
there because everyone worried about what they're doing africclass right
and being in the streets. So you know, I'm not
saying obviously as you know you may be.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know, tell me to me from my middle
school because I went to private school and in high
school middle school it didn't quite prepare and.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Whole another county. Yeah, oh county to and all Accounty.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's totally two different cultures, right, two different grading were
you plus?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
One way is different? It is differently high school? Yeah,
you beyond? So what's that a different culture we're talking about? It?
It was it was got a little er, so it
didn't quite prepare me for school.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So yeah, off the bat, going into the freshman year,
you get somewhere like summer reading books.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I did not read one book. No, so my freshman
year I get hard, like it was, I got really
wake up. So I'm playing ketchup.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, the rest of my high school career and then
always first quarter was always.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Football, And yeah, was it a Catholic high school? Yeah?
Are you Catholic? No? Okay, I didn't know if that
anything to go and take your hearts. No, actually I
was perious. Actually I actually get that question a lot,
but I was. I went to Catholic. Yeah it was.
And when you're playing ketchup.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's already hard. Now you're you're fighting out even and
I feel bad already now there up feel bad on snow,
and now you're bare footing exactly. So that makes sense
because I was like, and I'll get to this, we'll
talk about Saga Heart and like kind of playing there
and you know how you felt like that may it
helps you develop into the next level. But now we're
talking about when I first met Joyous, and I'm like, man,
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this guy looks apart. And I'll be honest with you,
but you I knew you want to sega hard. You know,
we chopped it up whatever. But I'm like, there's a
lot of guys that looked apart to play a small school,
you know, because I'm like, I want to Bama. I
don't look the part at all, but I played against
those guys with the highest competition, so I feel like
I have a better chance than a guy like Julious,
But we end up being in pretty much the same circle. Yeah,
(06:51):
Like when it comes to being on driving, I didn't
work your way up, so it's cool to me to
like kind of with similar That's why I brought it
up with talking with today. It's just like, it doesn't
matter if you could play, you could, they'll find you
and you at least have an opportunity, and that's all
you need. He needs a car and then you go
get the whole pot. Right. You know, I could go
on about my story and what should have gold would
(07:13):
have right, But you know when I first met Jeorge,
I was like, oh yeah, like he he looks like
a dog. But am I also like that was the
reason when it say heart in my mind. So that's
why I was curious why you how you end up there?
Because you made it, You've already established youself, you made
a career, and you know, just following you and kind
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of keeping up with it. I'm like, damn, Like I
remember Julie. It's like he's making plays, he's playing. I
mean this year you played in all every game and
that's all that is to be an un drafted guy
from UH school at Sacred Heart where you're from, Like, man,
that's that's crazy. Man. You can get into like growing
up life. You can get to you know, Sacred Heart.
(07:56):
And I know Frank's probably got.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Some questions like, okay, you're time with Cigaret Heart ends,
it's coming to an end.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Did you think the league was a question what do
you have aidens reaching out? I don't know. I did,
like google, like.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What's the what is what was the mindset as you
were coming to your end of your career at ticket Heart.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So I got to start freshman freshman year, coming in,
I'm like teting with another freshman, right, it's too uh,
it's too glad. They hadn't the first guy injures hisself
toward they see first play first.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So I'm moving into RB three right there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
RB two right, so I get in, I get workie
of the week. My first week had two touchdowns eighty yards.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah nice, so nice old game. I feel good less
yards more Yeah, you're going home being like less city
as a as a.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
First my first game working of the week, like I'm
all right cool, Like how might not be that crazy?
So freshman year I ended up winning Freshman year, Freshman
year Working of the years. Second year, are we one
a cl no n cl on in the first game
(09:20):
Week two?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I start, so.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Sophomore year starting, I went player of the week that week,
had like three touchdowns one something like I would went
crazy that week and then and then ended up being
All American sophomore year.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's all. They weren't getting that position, man, you took that.
It was next year COVID hit.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We ended up playing in the spring, so we had
I literally had that from that sophomore season to spring of.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think it was twenty whatever, So COVID was spring
twenty twenty. Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I literally had all the year. So I'm just getting
I'm working out like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, sacre hard. They can play that.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We play in the spring. You're playing the fall playing
games in the spring. Yeah, our game way spring all
did that. Well, I you want to play five games
and you played them in sprank.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
We started like the UFL college we started in like
maybe April or how cup is that in your head
that like knowing.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Season, well, but that's the season, but it's also like
knowing in your head.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like we Okay, I don't know about you.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
When August hits, I'm I'm I need to be the
fault camp right now, like you you We're used to
the acceleration in this season, right, so to play high
level games that time of the year, it's for natty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So like literally like that whole time.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
But I'm literally like like like you said, itching, So
I'm literally working out crazy, like I was going insane,
Like I'm up at four am running on campus like
literally I'm trying to do anything.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like but that year I had a thousand yards five games,
a thousand dollars and five games. Yes, and I think
it's touchdowns like you no, Like I.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Was, what's that average? That's two points two point five
touch Yeah, it's called going off. Yeah yeah, I think
that in the nation. Yeah yeah, the number one of
the nation s c S. I came third and.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Like the watching Payton Ward, which is the high right,
came third to quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Uh North Dakota State, No, Montana.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
State, Southern Louisiana they l shoot, no, no, so there's it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I know where there's no Southeast South Asian South. Yeah, no,
that's a Louisian school, I think so, yeah, Southeast you
got the green Southeast Yes, Cole Kelly, I think it
was his name. Oh yeah, big dude, yes, due he won. Yeah,
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it is a class.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I forgot that quarterback. But I lost two quarterbacks. But
like I'm nobody. Nobody just did what I just did.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Right, there's no more.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But after that, when the scouts came, man, scouts came
talking to me, I was getting a few agent it's uh,
I'm I really got shot. Yeah, senior years, first game,
third quarter, I got one seventy two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I get injured.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Tell my m c L tell my meniscus gets flipped
in the end zone as a let's call a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I flipped.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I land on my feet, but my butt is touching
the ground and I just I just feel like pun.
I'm like, oh no, it's oh suthings up and then shoot.
I go in the locker room the doctor so he
ain't say it, but he was like, it's some bo.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Him. I'm like a man, so I'm getting yeah, he's
going to thirty. But I don't end up getting a
surgery to come back.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I came back in the season Week nine, played the
last two games, won a championship, and then she was
down my shot.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I got a back track one step. I gotta ask
this question. After the COVID year.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
With the five games, two was like, and this his
n L time here when I get yeah, the next
year hit?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The next year was there was there a point where
like you consider transferring at one point to.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Go a little bigger. I actually did in COVID. During COVID,
I was in explained it. After my All American season.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
My first one COVID was hit. I'm at home, liked.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Me and my dad chopped it up, like should make
a move. He just did this that when people call him,
I think I came second in the in Russell.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Sophomore year. Uh, and my dad like like be to
you might be right. So I called my coaches.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I'm thinking about going in affordal and they like, y know,
like just give it a week. And if you still
think it's saying, they're saying, like, think it over.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I did. Ended up saying it was like I
had it. I had a couple of schools. No, I
see that what they call that Tampa right now?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But is that the phrase the kids used? But it
was like one of them, one of them that was
the best fit was the dude told me they had
to start going back, how they couldn't be for two, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Non you to do? I feel like going to compete
for two? If you tell them you got your guy, Yeah,
you're you're a Day one guy. You know, based on
especially coming off that year, you're a Day one guy. Yeah,
at least let me compete. Yeah, and told him he
said he sent me straight up. He said, I already
got one guy. Yeah, you got you one. I already
I got that too. Call you come up. Continue, got
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to keep you right. Yeah. But you know I'm from Yeah,
I got I got the I got the real brush.
When you met me, I had the buds. Yeah, I
was like to grow back when you met me, but
uh I had to. I went trying to get ways.
It's just like if I did it, and I'll be honest,
I used to wear it do raight now if I
let my hair grow a little bit more, because curly hair,
(15:46):
it probably would eventually. I wouldn't trying to like beat
something or not. I'm just if I didn't war to
do and it's so unrelated, we just go, Yeah, it
would like my hair would stick up. I wanted to
be down, you know, I thought saying, oh yeah, and
I had the brush. Anyways, keep going. I'm sorry, I
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just had.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I can't believe we just got off trash.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm slaying down in waves. That's there's no way you
get wings. I think I could have curly hair. Yeah,
it's possible. Anyway, dedicated, Yeah, I know that's a lot one.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You can't hang time like I had those boy he
uh he had waves now his brother, But like you
could do this, just do that.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You know I love you, but you know I can't
just walk out. It's you. Oh yeah, I'm not worried
about my teammates.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I am.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I'm talking about random people that I was fired up
because I knew it was gonna be something. But yeah,
they was saying I come in, but I was like, Nah,
everybody don't see that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Obviously, if you keep showing out, keep knowing what I'm doing,
then yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And you're and you're the offense, I'm sure at that point.
Like so even if you are a big fish in
the pond, you're getting that rock so like and you're
winning if you watching you, Yeah, they're watching hips. So
I'm saying people are saying you got potential.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The injury happens, how do you end up starting your
NFL career, like where from getting injured?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah? Yeah, that was your fourth year.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's kind of a because because it feels like if
you didn't get injured, it was like.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Going to accelerate. It's pretty fast. Yeah, it was Ja.
It was Jack right, that's where because you have when
did that that spring season? It was like junior July
of twenty twenty. Okay, so you had June or twenty
twenty all the way to August of twenty twenty more
and then played right again. Oh wait play we played
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in twelve and always the twenty twenty. Yeah, like two
months after you finished that five games ye, or might
have been September was first. It was pushed back a though.
So you yet two years in one essentially yet like
your junior and senior year. Oh, that's a lot of
football games. That's insane. That's a lot of football games.
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I don't know how y'all's off season training was sacred heart.
I would have been absolutely dead. Was saving It wasn't crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Probably, Oh my god, it wasn't that crazy because we
was out.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
To see Okay, now I'm starting to see the top
of line. That makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, Yes, the injury happens, and now the projections different.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hu is like I thought. I was happy to come
back and up. Oh wow. First first it was surgery. Yeah,
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Damn, like yoh three, Like I don't know, because they
already looking at you like you had sick heart. You know,
it's already that you have sick heart. But coming up
the year I was coming off of im I do
this again. I'm good right now? Doubt and I got
in jrum I came back Week nine, end of the
season with four hundred I think seven yards.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's like, you still did that a four games, right, Yeah,
it's not wild, it's not too crazy. And I still
I think I had five touchdowns. So it's like, statistically
is that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I came back and I'm still me, Like, and
I was splitting carries with my dog, Malik, who actually
won Offensive Player of the Year that year, so like
he running back as well. He came in and was
hooping right and he's no punk. Yeah, and then I'm like,
I'm splitting carries with my dog. But it ain't my
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my workload, not as nearly what it was.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's like, which is tough, I feel like because for god,
we I got the interview, you know, Josh, everybody right,
great dude. He was in a row Nag, Damien Boscar
Bro At one point he was with Trice Derrick Henry.
I'm trying to think, did you cross message de Yeah?
(20:17):
For two years, but it's almost been a city him
because yeah, he might have been he would have been
number one guy anywhere he'd been all down back, but
every time he touched that rock because it's fresh, he
put out showed out but all and you know, but
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for you being at a small school, you want those reps
you have to film. Yeah, you know, so it's tough.
I'm just trying to kind of get that idea. Yeah,
Like it's tough for you because if you've got to
split reps at a small school, like you're not getting
the production, you probably shouldn't be deserved for neat. Yeah,
(20:58):
that's tough. Yeah. So you're in there with the titles man, and.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You come in Jarrick Henry's in the world rightly, what's
the reason?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I went, Yeah, how'd you end up? Man? Draft process
going on.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
During the old three niggas, I'm like fresh, Yeah, same air,
been there, I'll.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Be right here.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Uh, draft party is yeah, family all there. Yeah, I
wish I wouldn't have done that. Honestly, I love my family,
I love the friends. But I was stressed out, like
I saw the ghosts.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Literally, you just I'm either I'm either sitting here rocking
or peace.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like people go in front of you know you better,
It's like, what who's that like?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I went, I did a I did a thirty
visit with the charge. The whole process. I'm like, I'll back.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah. The draft.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, see somebody ye know what, who's that's right?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is it's yeah, I might forget it. Uh, what's
the next team? So Baltimore tests more or let's just
called you've been with me for Baltimore. Yeah, but they
drafted a six round guy.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, so they drafted, they drafted, they drafted him, and
I'm like, damn, Baltimore over with. And then I'm just
talking to Tennessee and I'm They're like, we we're not
going to track we they drafted right back already.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But it was like, so Derek and side was Derek
carry from one of the best. Yeah, if the best,
why not? You know. I'm like, I'm gonna just go
stile with y'all. And then I get in there. Bro,
Just as soon as I seen him, Bro, I was starship.
I would be too, Bro. I'm like this dad, hear
Hall of Fame. We're like what yeah, Trunk too? Yeah,
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and he is like I mean huge, yeah, And I've
never met him, but I would probably still be starstruck
because like I'm met right, And that's probably when it
comes to like bamda receivers. He's easy, epitome, He's what
started it. Yeah, he started with saving. But we're talking
about you know, we like consider ourselves one of the
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wide receiver US. You know, I s l su Hio State,
maybe some others in conversation, but.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, but at the.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
End of the day, like yes, like one hundred percent,
I was like, that's who you are. And I've seen him,
he came to the games. But this past year the
first time really that chopped. But the thing is we
both played for coach, so there's a there's a respect deal.
So every time I've met the Atlantic Collins, I'm trying
to think Drake Kirk atual just some guys that I've
met and actually like chopped it up with, like truly,
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truly and make up make a great dude, one of
the best safeties in the lake. It's because we played
all played on corche and and I had to really grind.
And yeah, I'm sure they watched the games on Saturdays
when I was playing. They saw me play, so there
is a level of respect. But it got like Derek,
I'm still probably going sounds like that when yeah, I
(24:25):
met I met Radio. Yeah, left tackle literally it's insane,
freak of nature.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
It looks like he looks like uh Ohio State Chase.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He looks like Chase but rugs the pill sinceane. But anyway,
you tell me about meeting Derek.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
To there's the first couple of days I really talked
to him that I was still a little shy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah you too, Yeah he talked to him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But sho, Derek is like so genuine, it's like it
don't even matter, Like he's coming from Jude.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
What's up Jude, Like like, that's my dog now, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
He took care of me as a rookie, right he
he he brought me pair of shoes, like like hey,
you want some shoes.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm like yeah, like he'll just yeah stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm like, damn, I appreciate it. Like as a rookie
bron got no money, like I'm undrafted. He takes care
of me, like this is my dog. Like hell, so.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Whenever I talked to him, brother, it's like I can
tell a difference between the stars that don't care and
like a genuine star like.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right, it's yeah, at the end of the day, football
is football. You't that way. I'm shook. You know. That's
and that's good to hear because a lot of times
something yees don't see that he's he's up there. So
your time with the titles, what's been your welcome to
the lead blowment first camp? Like yeah, yeah, just coming
in the nace like Jess Simmons around like I forgever.
(26:11):
It's like you get the I get the ball, like
I go.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They they feeling a fire first team Sometimes, I really
think my welcome just was like my first training camp.
It's different from Sacred Art, like everything, like the whole
the process, the playbook, the intensity is just different. And
I can see and I can see why scouts be
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like he has Sacred Heart. I can see it, and
I'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Or you're a dog, your dog, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But it's just different, and it's like you gotta wrap
your head around the change and then what you know
you can do. And it's like once you know you
can do this.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like that's all. Yeah, just stay steady and bro, just
continue to do it. It's easy. I understand. Like now
you've taken a role in special teams. Did you return
in Sacred Heart or is that something in the.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
League like you had to learn become and you seek
without special teams?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You still have a role with the Titans right now.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Actually return my freshman year college and a little bit
of let me see.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But that was it. And then once my role offense
started to getting bigger. Yeah, they don't think that sound,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So coming to the league it was different. Yeah, I
really didn't return. They was putting me back there, my
rookieear they put me back there. I'm like, oh, together,
I'd rather be back there than blocking you three hundred
pounders running down fifty yards two fifty sixty four.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Running forth three angry. Yeah, because they're trying to start
trying to make a ross the spot. Yeah, no doubt.
I was like, looky, I'm go return, but and the
should get the field, so opportunity something happened. Take some shake.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
As long as long as I got to twenty five.
That's all I kept saying. I was like, get to twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Five because that's the touchdown. Yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like I'm cool, but now special teams, letbe leave what
I think it's hype and here yeah, and it's that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And also it's.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
My my dedication psch right in the playing on the
place where you're throwing out there, but you don't have
to play, but yeah, we'll control the control. Yeah exactly,
And I think that's helped me stay.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, especially ten right. But when you've gotten about behind
the line from a quarterback and doing so, I think
you've been on my fantasy team and like a Week
fourteen type situation. But with the new rule now is
because this year was the first year they implemented the
(29:10):
crazy Yeah, I definitely wouldn't make that special teams. I
would because I used to fly down in college. Yeah,
and just because of college doesn't mean the linebacker tied
end or running back who's a lot bigger than me
was trying to knock out me and I go in
and trying to spill the wedge. But that's one thing
is like it was tough because I'm basically to turn it.
Always try to be on punt you know, receivers and
(29:33):
DB's they go to, Yeah, I'm not a guy, dude,
Look like I'll bust down there. I'll fight my way.
I will get there, but solely on effort. But I can't.
I'm not gonna, you know, beat the guy on speed.
So I tried to get the ppe so smart and
that's what I played in college. I was a ppe
I called the plays. I was still a quarterback at heart,
so that might have been my only shot getting you know,
(29:54):
special teams. I mean I would have done anything just
to make the team when I was my couple of years.
But with that new rule, what's changed from my you
know perspective. Yeah, just like that's the ball and like
see like the lanes and like because you know, some
guys do it differently. But you know, because I've been
(30:15):
back there, I've called kicks too. It's you find that
all you know, whether it's the left, right, middle, you know,
or do you see that lane open? You better go through? It?
Is it different now? It is?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's a little different because, first of all, and when
you're thinking about when.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It was the one and yeah, people would go anyway,
Yes they could cross chip. It's harder to do that
when everybody stationary because everybody's looking at reading the boss.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yes it is the boss obviously, no, hell yeah, I'm
probably going to avoid this way.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So it's like you just.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Literally see just everybody full towards you. It's a little
different as a return because you're like, all right, first
you got another play, and plus the front guy's got
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
They want to ORNs. Yeah, because that's all it is.
Do they do they do any kind of it's it
look changing.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Or planning with that, yeah, because we Sometimes you dropped,
you might gotta go folding to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Sometimes you might least wild. Some teams eat it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Have you had again being in d man like fugue
hold buyer specialtycord and they're like, yo, if you're.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They tell you to plant your feet two.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
In the end zone all the two whoever look is like,
have you ever said, like I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
See to go old baby, I ain't got there yet.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like you catch that, You're like, yeah's pats that man
is wild already. It was in Atlanta. He's one of
the best returns in the game. He also was like
running back and receiver in a tight end. Respect came in.
He came in like, we're like you sure make weight
(32:08):
and I like the cool people bro being the sign
of with ten tennis chains on, just like, what's you know?
I'm like, bro, you look too seventy yeah, huge, But
I don't matter if you get that ball.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Nah No, I think I don't know if I count
this as But he was. He was at the goal
line playing Cowboys and I see the ball. No, it
was windy, so I heard the window two okay, and
if it goes to the zone, let it go right windy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The balls like going backwards. I'm like, manam the yet backup?
I catch it and I'm in the G zone. I said, off, Well,
sometimes you still got be a ball player. Yeah, you
know your instincts. I was reading, why you right back there? Catchup?
You know you gotta you gotta trust your instincts. And
(33:05):
you know, as you continue with your career, you gain
you gain more confidence the coaches, you conferience, and you
don't let you slide with some of that stuff. Especially
if you get a couple of five. You know you're
not gonna come to the silent you got to the fifteen.
Then you're wrong exactly, but you made a wrong decision
(33:26):
right about being a good return.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
We and a coach and said, like, you're supposed to
tackle a certain way, right, wrap up.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's just like this, like when you gotta convert against
the cloud corner. It's a go. It's a go or
a you know, comeback or a curl, and you're inverting
against cloud. You convert and you should have not you
and you hit a whole shot for Addy.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Hey, seven Touchups strike the band. That's one of those
coaches we're talking about. Yeah, we'll get you film.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah yeah
Julius. Let's just die right in. Okay, I interview a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Everyone's got a different Germany. Let's start with Cris.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You end up playing ball at Sacred Heart out of
high school.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What led you to Sacred Heart? Sacred Heart was? Where
is Sacred Heart? Okay, Cigaret, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
A small school, you know, I said, I've been Connecticut, Fairfield, Connecticut,
one of the best county than America.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Wow of money out there, yes, but I had no
idea about it. High school. My quotes pulled me out
of class one.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Daylight Yeo, Sacred Heart, we want to offer you the
Scott shain.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
D one.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm like, all right, let's go. It's started like, yeah,
we want to offer you right now. But my problem
was high school. My grades back, so I wasn't getting
the looks. I'm talking to transcript time, you know. But
I was like, Yo, we're gonna wait for you to qualify.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'll be taking essay teens. Uh. So I signed the
late qualified, got late the lakeside. But they'll get you
in there that Yeah, they'll figure.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm a bad sat story. We're gonna be good by
the time it's time.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Ago.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So end up signed with them and the history is there.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Wow, did you go visit the campus before you ended
up signing or did actually committed on my official so
that was my only official idea.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So you had an idea, like you know what the
campus felt like, you know, the coaches, flating departments, school,
so they showed you all that. Well, I went up
there by with my sister, Like, my parents didn't come
with me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
My my mom had surged you for something, so my
dad stayed that with my mom and my sister flew
from Charlotte. She lived in Charlotte at the time. She
flew from Charlotte and met me up there, so I
wasn't alone. And I'm like doing this old thing. But
like I'm like this camping it is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I really had no idea what college campus, no perspective
to comparison my first one.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm like, Yo, this is sick, like block real sick
one time. This is crazy, like they got an old,
dying campus. I'm like, Yo, this is sick. Yeah, well
I would like high school like because and I'll hit
this again. When I first met you when we're training
for Lardal, But man, you look the part like if
(02:33):
I didn't know anything about you and I never saw
you play or workout or anything, why do you think
Second Heart was the only the one offer or was
it like what made you not to get you know,
recruited from anywhere else? It's the small school, like what
was kind of that before you actually went to college?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So I was at a camp and Central Connecticut was
also a member of school.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Then they offered me, but the coach had left, so
I didn't pick full the offer or whatever it was.
But that was the only other school.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And then but like I said, were uh gretest part
was spread flag?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah all right, see it was schools calling me. I
was getting nail but transcript.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
H yeah, but it wouldn't use the players you as
a student, yeah, and that stuff, because dude, I mean
I played with some guys and now this this is
not do with you, but there were some guys that
I played with that either didn't take school seriously. And
if you're I guess underlooked guy or overlooked, right, it
(03:41):
would be the best way. If you're not a big
time of crew and you're small or you're not as
fast or whatever, you gotta get perfect and I had
one of my one of my closest friends was he
was also my best receivers. I played quarterback in high school. Man,
he's like five, you know, one forty on a good day.
I hate the move he gets. It was not and
(04:01):
I was like his dam near recruiter like I was
reached because like some of these schools were kind of
recruited me, but it was smaller like East Sextus. Factors. First,
the Marshall uh ulm. You like something rambling, because that's
why if Road I have a head coach, I you know,
I got a guy. He's really really good. But unfortunately
the grades was there. Then I played with dudes. Being
(04:23):
where I'm from, they didn't know whether to be at
Lidstar or football Star, you know, so they get lost
in that and you know then because they want to
possibly just be at lit Star. The grades are not
there because everyone worried about what they're doing africclass right
and being in the streets. So you know, I'm not
saying obviously as you know you may be.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know, tell me to me from my middle
school because I went to private school and in high
school middle school it didn't quite prepare and.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Whole another county. Yeah, oh county to and all Accounty.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's totally two different cultures, right, two different grading were
you plus?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
One way is different? It is differently high school? Yeah,
you beyond? So what's that a different culture we're talking about? It?
It was it was got a little er, so it
didn't quite prepare me for school.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So yeah, off the bat, going into the freshman year,
you get somewhere like summer reading books.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I did not read one book. No, so my freshman
year I get hard, like it was, I got really
wake up. So I'm playing ketchup.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, the rest of my high school career and then
always first quarter was always.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Football, And yeah, was it a Catholic high school? Yeah?
Are you Catholic? No? Okay, I didn't know if that
anything to go and take your hearts. No, actually I
was perious. Actually I actually get that question a lot,
but I was. I went to Catholic. Yeah it was.
And when you're playing ketchup.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's already hard. Now you're you're fighting out even and
I feel bad already now there up feel bad on snow,
and now you're bare footing exactly. So that makes sense
because I was like, and I'll get to this, we'll
talk about Saga Heart and like kind of playing there
and you know how you felt like that may it
helps you develop into the next level. But now we're
talking about when I first met Joyous, and I'm like, man,
(06:27):
this guy looks apart. And I'll be honest with you,
but you I knew you want to sega hard. You know,
we chopped it up whatever. But I'm like, there's a
lot of guys that looked apart to play a small school,
you know, because I'm like, I want to Bama. I
don't look the part at all, but I played against
those guys with the highest competition, so I feel like
I have a better chance than a guy like Julious,
But we end up being in pretty much the same circle. Yeah,
(06:51):
Like when it comes to being on driving, I didn't
work your way up, so it's cool to me to
like kind of with similar That's why I brought it
up with talking with today. It's just like, it doesn't
matter if you could play, you could, they'll find you
and you at least have an opportunity, and that's all
you need. He needs a car and then you go
get the whole pot. Right. You know, I could go
on about my story and what should have gold would
(07:13):
have right, But you know when I first met Jeorge,
I was like, oh yeah, like he he looks like
a dog. But am I also like that was the
reason when it say heart in my mind. So that's
why I was curious why you how you end up there?
Because you made it, You've already established youself, you made
a career, and you know, just following you and kind
(07:34):
of keeping up with it. I'm like, damn, Like I
remember Julie. It's like he's making plays, he's playing. I
mean this year you played in all every game and
that's all that is to be an un drafted guy
from UH school at Sacred Heart where you're from, Like, man,
that's that's crazy. Man. You can get into like growing
up life. You can get to you know, Sacred Heart.
(07:56):
And I know Frank's probably got.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Some questions like, okay, you're time with Cigaret Heart ends,
it's coming to an end.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Did you think the league was a question what do
you have aidens reaching out? I don't know. I did,
like google, like.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What's the what is what was the mindset as you
were coming to your end of your career at ticket Heart.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So I got to start freshman freshman year, coming in,
I'm like teting with another freshman, right, it's too uh,
it's too glad. They hadn't the first guy injures hisself
toward they see first play first.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So I'm moving into RB three right there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
RB two right, so I get in, I get workie
of the week. My first week had two touchdowns eighty yards.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah nice, so nice old game. I feel good less
yards more Yeah, you're going home being like less city
as a as a.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
First my first game working of the week, like I'm
all right cool, Like how might not be that crazy?
So freshman year I ended up winning Freshman year, Freshman
year Working of the years. Second year, are we one
a cl no n cl on in the first game
(09:20):
Week two?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I start, so.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Sophomore year starting, I went player of the week that week,
had like three touchdowns one something like I would went
crazy that week and then and then ended up being
All American sophomore year.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's all. They weren't getting that position, man, you took that.
It was next year COVID hit.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We ended up playing in the spring, so we had
I literally had that from that sophomore season to spring of.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think it was twenty whatever, So COVID was spring
twenty twenty. Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I literally had all the year. So I'm just getting
I'm working out like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, sacre hard. They can play that.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We play in the spring. You're playing the fall playing
games in the spring. Yeah, our game way spring all
did that. Well, I you want to play five games
and you played them in sprank.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
We started like the UFL college we started in like
maybe April or how cup is that in your head
that like knowing.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Season, well, but that's the season, but it's also like
knowing in your head.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like we Okay, I don't know about you.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
When August hits, I'm I'm I need to be the
fault camp right now, like you you We're used to
the acceleration in this season, right, so to play high
level games that time of the year, it's for natty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So like literally like that whole time.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
But I'm literally like like like you said, itching, So
I'm literally working out crazy, like I was going insane,
Like I'm up at four am running on campus like
literally I'm trying to do anything.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like but that year I had a thousand yards five games,
a thousand dollars and five games. Yes, and I think
it's touchdowns like you no, Like I.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Was, what's that average? That's two points two point five
touch Yeah, it's called going off. Yeah yeah, I think
that in the nation. Yeah yeah, the number one of
the nation s c S. I came third and.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Like the watching Payton Ward, which is the high right,
came third to quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Uh North Dakota State, No, Montana.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
State, Southern Louisiana they l shoot, no, no, so there's it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I know where there's no Southeast South Asian South. Yeah, no,
that's a Louisian school, I think so, yeah, Southeast you
got the green Southeast Yes, Cole Kelly, I think it
was his name. Oh yeah, big dude, yes, due he won. Yeah,
(12:18):
it is a class.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I forgot that quarterback. But I lost two quarterbacks. But
like I'm nobody. Nobody just did what I just did.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Right, there's no more.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But after that, when the scouts came, man, scouts came
talking to me, I was getting a few agent it's uh,
I'm I really got shot. Yeah, senior years, first game,
third quarter, I got one seventy two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I get injured.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Tell my m c L tell my meniscus gets flipped
in the end zone as a let's call a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I flipped.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I land on my feet, but my butt is touching
the ground and I just I just feel like pun.
I'm like, oh no, it's oh suthings up and then shoot.
I go in the locker room the doctor so he
ain't say it, but he was like, it's some bo.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Him. I'm like a man, so I'm getting yeah, he's
going to thirty. But I don't end up getting a
surgery to come back.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I came back in the season Week nine, played the
last two games, won a championship, and then she was
down my shot.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I got a back track one step. I gotta ask
this question. After the COVID year.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
With the five games, two was like, and this his
n L time here when I get yeah, the next
year hit?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The next year was there was there a point where
like you consider transferring at one point to.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Go a little bigger. I actually did in COVID. During COVID,
I was in explained it. After my All American season.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
My first one COVID was hit. I'm at home, liked.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Me and my dad chopped it up, like should make
a move. He just did this that when people call him,
I think I came second in the in Russell.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Sophomore year. Uh, and my dad like like be to
you might be right. So I called my coaches.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I'm thinking about going in affordal and they like, y know,
like just give it a week. And if you still
think it's saying, they're saying, like, think it over.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I did. Ended up saying it was like I
had it. I had a couple of schools. No, I
see that what they call that Tampa right now?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But is that the phrase the kids used? But it
was like one of them, one of them that was
the best fit was the dude told me they had
to start going back, how they couldn't be for two, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Non you to do? I feel like going to compete
for two? If you tell them you got your guy, Yeah,
you're you're a Day one guy. You know, based on
especially coming off that year, you're a Day one guy. Yeah,
at least let me compete. Yeah, and told him he
said he sent me straight up. He said, I already
got one guy. Yeah, you got you one. I already
I got that too. Call you come up. Continue, got
(15:25):
to keep you right. Yeah. But you know I'm from Yeah,
I got I got the I got the real brush.
When you met me, I had the buds. Yeah, I
was like to grow back when you met me, but
uh I had to. I went trying to get ways.
It's just like if I did it, and I'll be honest,
I used to wear it do raight now if I
let my hair grow a little bit more, because curly hair,
(15:46):
it probably would eventually. I wouldn't trying to like beat
something or not. I'm just if I didn't war to
do and it's so unrelated, we just go, Yeah, it
would like my hair would stick up. I wanted to
be down, you know, I thought saying, oh yeah, and
I had the brush. Anyways, keep going. I'm sorry, I
(16:08):
just had.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I can't believe we just got off trash.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm slaying down in waves. That's there's no way you
get wings. I think I could have curly hair. Yeah,
it's possible. Anyway, dedicated, Yeah, I know that's a lot one.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You can't hang time like I had those boy he
uh he had waves now his brother, But like you
could do this, just do that.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You know I love you, but you know I can't
just walk out. It's you. Oh yeah, I'm not worried
about my teammates.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I am.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I'm talking about random people that I was fired up
because I knew it was gonna be something. But yeah,
they was saying I come in, but I was like, Nah,
everybody don't see that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Obviously, if you keep showing out, keep knowing what I'm doing,
then yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And you're and you're the offense, I'm sure at that point.
Like so even if you are a big fish in
the pond, you're getting that rock so like and you're
winning if you watching you, Yeah, they're watching hips. So
I'm saying people are saying you got potential.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The injury happens, how do you end up starting your
NFL career, like where from getting injured?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah? Yeah, that was your fourth year.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's kind of a because because it feels like if
you didn't get injured, it was like.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Going to accelerate. It's pretty fast. Yeah, it was Ja.
It was Jack right, that's where because you have when
did that that spring season? It was like junior July
of twenty twenty. Okay, so you had June or twenty
twenty all the way to August of twenty twenty more
and then played right again. Oh wait play we played
(18:04):
in twelve and always the twenty twenty. Yeah, like two
months after you finished that five games ye, or might
have been September was first. It was pushed back a though.
So you yet two years in one essentially yet like
your junior and senior year. Oh, that's a lot of
football games. That's insane. That's a lot of football games.
(18:27):
I don't know how y'all's off season training was sacred heart.
I would have been absolutely dead. Was saving It wasn't crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Probably, Oh my god, it wasn't that crazy because we
was out.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
To see Okay, now I'm starting to see the top
of line. That makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, Yes, the injury happens, and now the projections different.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hu is like I thought. I was happy to come
back and up. Oh wow. First first it was surgery. Yeah,
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Damn, like yoh three, Like I don't know, because they
already looking at you like you had sick heart. You know,
it's already that you have sick heart. But coming up
the year I was coming off of im I do
this again. I'm good right now? Doubt and I got
in jrum I came back Week nine, end of the
season with four hundred I think seven yards.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's like, you still did that a four games, right, Yeah,
it's not wild, it's not too crazy. And I still
I think I had five touchdowns. So it's like, statistically
is that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I came back and I'm still me, Like, and
I was splitting carries with my dog, Malik, who actually
won Offensive Player of the Year that year, so like
he running back as well. He came in and was
hooping right and he's no punk. Yeah, and then I'm like,
I'm splitting carries with my dog. But it ain't my
(19:51):
my workload, not as nearly what it was.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's like, which is tough, I feel like because for god,
we I got the interview, you know, Josh, everybody right,
great dude. He was in a row Nag, Damien Boscar
Bro At one point he was with Trice Derrick Henry.
I'm trying to think, did you cross message de Yeah?
(20:17):
For two years, but it's almost been a city him
because yeah, he might have been he would have been
number one guy anywhere he'd been all down back, but
every time he touched that rock because it's fresh, he
put out showed out but all and you know, but
(20:38):
for you being at a small school, you want those reps
you have to film. Yeah, you know, so it's tough.
I'm just trying to kind of get that idea. Yeah,
Like it's tough for you because if you've got to
split reps at a small school, like you're not getting
the production, you probably shouldn't be deserved for neat. Yeah,
(20:58):
that's tough. Yeah. So you're in there with the titles man, and.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You come in Jarrick Henry's in the world rightly, what's
the reason?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I went, Yeah, how'd you end up? Man? Draft process
going on.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
During the old three niggas, I'm like fresh, Yeah, same air,
been there, I'll.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Be right here.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Uh, draft party is yeah, family all there. Yeah, I
wish I wouldn't have done that. Honestly, I love my family,
I love the friends. But I was stressed out, like
I saw the ghosts.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Literally, you just I'm either I'm either sitting here rocking
or peace.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like people go in front of you know you better,
It's like, what who's that like?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I went, I did a I did a thirty
visit with the charge. The whole process. I'm like, I'll back.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah. The draft.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, see somebody ye know what, who's that's right?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is it's yeah, I might forget it. Uh, what's
the next team? So Baltimore tests more or let's just
called you've been with me for Baltimore. Yeah, but they
drafted a six round guy.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, so they drafted, they drafted, they drafted him, and
I'm like, damn, Baltimore over with. And then I'm just
talking to Tennessee and I'm They're like, we we're not
going to track we they drafted right back already.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But it was like, so Derek and side was Derek
carry from one of the best. Yeah, if the best,
why not? You know. I'm like, I'm gonna just go
stile with y'all. And then I get in there. Bro,
Just as soon as I seen him, Bro, I was starship.
I would be too, Bro. I'm like this dad, hear
Hall of Fame. We're like what yeah, Trunk too? Yeah,
(23:06):
and he is like I mean huge, yeah, And I've
never met him, but I would probably still be starstruck
because like I'm met right, And that's probably when it
comes to like bamda receivers. He's easy, epitome, He's what
started it. Yeah, he started with saving. But we're talking
about you know, we like consider ourselves one of the
(23:27):
wide receiver US. You know, I s l su Hio State,
maybe some others in conversation, but.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, but at the.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
End of the day, like yes, like one hundred percent,
I was like, that's who you are. And I've seen him,
he came to the games. But this past year the
first time really that chopped. But the thing is we
both played for coach, so there's a there's a respect deal.
So every time I've met the Atlantic Collins, I'm trying
to think Drake Kirk atual just some guys that I've
met and actually like chopped it up with, like truly,
(24:04):
truly and make up make a great dude, one of
the best safeties in the lake. It's because we played
all played on corche and and I had to really grind.
And yeah, I'm sure they watched the games on Saturdays
when I was playing. They saw me play, so there
is a level of respect. But it got like Derek,
I'm still probably going sounds like that when yeah, I
(24:25):
met I met Radio. Yeah, left tackle literally it's insane,
freak of nature.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
It looks like he looks like uh Ohio State Chase.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He looks like Chase but rugs the pill sinceane. But anyway,
you tell me about meeting Derek.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
To there's the first couple of days I really talked
to him that I was still a little shy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah you too, Yeah he talked to him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But sho, Derek is like so genuine, it's like it
don't even matter, Like he's coming from Jude.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
What's up Jude, Like like, that's my dog now, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
He took care of me as a rookie, right he
he he brought me pair of shoes, like like hey,
you want some shoes.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm like yeah, like he'll just yeah stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm like, damn, I appreciate it. Like as a rookie
bron got no money, like I'm undrafted. He takes care
of me, like this is my dog. Like hell, so.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Whenever I talked to him, brother, it's like I can
tell a difference between the stars that don't care and
like a genuine star like.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right, it's yeah, at the end of the day, football
is football. You't that way. I'm shook. You know. That's
and that's good to hear because a lot of times
something yees don't see that he's he's up there. So
your time with the titles, what's been your welcome to
the lead blowment first camp? Like yeah, yeah, just coming
in the nace like Jess Simmons around like I forgever.
(26:11):
It's like you get the I get the ball, like
I go.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They they feeling a fire first team Sometimes, I really
think my welcome just was like my first training camp.
It's different from Sacred Art, like everything, like the whole
the process, the playbook, the intensity is just different. And
I can see and I can see why scouts be
(26:35):
like he has Sacred Heart. I can see it, and
I'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Or you're a dog, your dog, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But it's just different, and it's like you gotta wrap
your head around the change and then what you know
you can do. And it's like once you know you
can do this.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like that's all. Yeah, just stay steady and bro, just
continue to do it. It's easy. I understand. Like now
you've taken a role in special teams. Did you return
in Sacred Heart or is that something in the.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
League like you had to learn become and you seek
without special teams?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You still have a role with the Titans right now.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Actually return my freshman year college and a little bit
of let me see.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But that was it. And then once my role offense
started to getting bigger. Yeah, they don't think that sound,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So coming to the league it was different. Yeah, I
really didn't return. They was putting me back there, my
rookieear they put me back there. I'm like, oh, together,
I'd rather be back there than blocking you three hundred
pounders running down fifty yards two fifty sixty four.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Running forth three angry. Yeah, because they're trying to start
trying to make a ross the spot. Yeah, no doubt.
I was like, looky, I'm go return, but and the
should get the field, so opportunity something happened. Take some shake.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
As long as long as I got to twenty five.
That's all I kept saying. I was like, get to twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Five because that's the touchdown. Yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like I'm cool, but now special teams, letbe leave what
I think it's hype and here yeah, and it's that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And also it's.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
My my dedication psch right in the playing on the
place where you're throwing out there, but you don't have
to play, but yeah, we'll control the control. Yeah exactly,
And I think that's helped me stay.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, especially ten right. But when you've gotten about behind
the line from a quarterback and doing so, I think
you've been on my fantasy team and like a Week
fourteen type situation. But with the new rule now is
because this year was the first year they implemented the
(29:10):
crazy Yeah, I definitely wouldn't make that special teams. I
would because I used to fly down in college. Yeah,
and just because of college doesn't mean the linebacker tied
end or running back who's a lot bigger than me
was trying to knock out me and I go in
and trying to spill the wedge. But that's one thing
is like it was tough because I'm basically to turn it.
Always try to be on punt you know, receivers and
(29:33):
DB's they go to, Yeah, I'm not a guy, dude,
Look like I'll bust down there. I'll fight my way.
I will get there, but solely on effort. But I can't.
I'm not gonna, you know, beat the guy on speed.
So I tried to get the ppe so smart and
that's what I played in college. I was a ppe
I called the plays. I was still a quarterback at heart,
so that might have been my only shot getting you know,
(29:54):
special teams. I mean I would have done anything just
to make the team when I was my couple of years.
But with that new rule, what's changed from my you
know perspective. Yeah, just like that's the ball and like
see like the lanes and like because you know, some
guys do it differently. But you know, because I've been
(30:15):
back there, I've called kicks too. It's you find that
all you know, whether it's the left, right, middle, you know,
or do you see that lane open? You better go through? It?
Is it different now? It is?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's a little different because, first of all, and when
you're thinking about when.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It was the one and yeah, people would go anyway,
Yes they could cross chip. It's harder to do that
when everybody stationary because everybody's looking at reading the boss.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yes it is the boss obviously, no, hell yeah, I'm
probably going to avoid this way.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So it's like you just.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Literally see just everybody full towards you. It's a little
different as a return because you're like, all right, first
you got another play, and plus the front guy's got
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
They want to ORNs. Yeah, because that's all it is.
Do they do they do any kind of it's it
look changing.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Or planning with that, yeah, because we Sometimes you dropped,
you might gotta go folding to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Sometimes you might least wild. Some teams eat it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Have you had again being in d man like fugue
hold buyer specialtycord and they're like, yo, if you're.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They tell you to plant your feet two.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
In the end zone all the two whoever look is like,
have you ever said, like I.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
See to go old baby, I ain't got there yet.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like you catch that, You're like, yeah's pats that man
is wild already. It was in Atlanta. He's one of
the best returns in the game. He also was like
running back and receiver in a tight end. Respect came in.
He came in like, we're like you sure make weight
(32:08):
and I like the cool people bro being the sign
of with ten tennis chains on, just like, what's you know?
I'm like, bro, you look too seventy yeah, huge, But
I don't matter if you get that ball.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Nah No, I think I don't know if I count
this as But he was. He was at the goal
line playing Cowboys and I see the ball. No, it
was windy, so I heard the window two okay, and
if it goes to the zone, let it go right windy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The balls like going backwards. I'm like, manam the yet backup?
I catch it and I'm in the G zone. I said, off, Well,
sometimes you still got be a ball player. Yeah, you
know your instincts. I was reading, why you right back there? Catchup?
You know you gotta you gotta trust your instincts. And
(33:05):
you know, as you continue with your career, you gain
you gain more confidence the coaches, you conferience, and you
don't let you slide with some of that stuff. Especially
if you get a couple of five. You know you're
not gonna come to the silent you got to the fifteen.
Then you're wrong exactly, but you made a wrong decision
(33:26):
right about being a good return.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
We and a coach and said, like, you're supposed to
tackle a certain way, right, wrap up.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's just like this, like when you gotta convert against
the cloud corner. It's a go. It's a go or
a you know, comeback or a curl, and you're inverting
against cloud. You convert and you should have not you
and you hit a whole shot for Addy.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Hey, seven Touchups strike the band. That's one of those
coaches we're talking about. Yeah, we'll get you film.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah yeah
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