New England Patriots Safety Jaylinn Hawkins Brings the Juice!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, all right, all right, welcome back to bring
the jos, Fire me up, ready for a great episode today.
I got my co host Michael Walker with me today.
We're out here at Newport Beach. Mike, why don't you
introduce our yesterday and tell us how you're feeling?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Man, Yes, sir, Yes, Sarah.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I got my boy Jayhawk here family, real family, California.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Man, Jayhawk.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I want to start us off first of all, Jayalen
Hawkins for those who don't know the slang term of
Jayhawk's name. Yeah, I just want to start off with
a quick congratulations. I know you just.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Proposed, Yes, sir, what's crazy is so? What did you propose?

Speaker 5 (00:34):
I proposed last Saturday.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Two saturdays ago. My wife's like six seven months pregnant
right now. For we had a baby moon at the
Montage and Laguna and I and I was doing my
homework today and I saw that to your proposed factually
fantastic establishment.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Brod you do a pool day? No, no, no, I ain't
doing that. I just this is what we're doing. Did
you stay there? No?

Speaker 6 (00:55):
I didn't understand. Because they had an after party. Oh wow,
it's a party at we.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Had to have to party at our BnB on the.

Speaker 7 (01:02):
Beat and great establishment though, Bro, super cold.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
I didn't even expect that was my first time going
out there. You too, bro, And I was like, hold.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
On, yeah, I gotta come back, bro vibes. I actually
saw a coach Mike McDaniels at the pool, Bro, did you?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I was sitting there. I'm not a baby moon type dude. Bro,
I'm not really a hotel pool type guy. Like. I'm
more I'm more of like a let's go to the
local river.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Drink some beers like type dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
And so this is this is above my initial like
reaction of what I like to do. But you know,
my wife, happy white, happy life, whatever. And anyways, We're
sitting at the pool, all these people not thinking much
of it. I look over and I'm like, yo, why
is there a dude with rolled up sweats with a
hoodie on and.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Some giant way Brittany back.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Me up here, and I'm like, I think that's Mike
with Daniels And she's like, who's that.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I'm like, it's the Dolphins coach. She's why do you?
I was like, I don't know another.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Dude who wears there is a swag so I google
him and uh, I try to see if he has
a wife, if he has a kid.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Everything fits the profile. Bro, I see a.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Couple like I see a couple like the Towel boys
going out to him like you'll be like, what'll so coach?
Good to see you again, and I'm like, okay, it's
just for sure. He's got some big He's got shade
similar to you, bro, just like three frames bigger.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
I promise you, way bigger than this.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
But he's not that big of a dude.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I look like a big dude next to him, and
I'm like, Bro, but shout out to the Laguna montage again, congratulations, let's.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
Love that.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Shout out to the wifey.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
When I was doing my research, joho, I see you
were born in Panama.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Kind I'm playing elaborate. Let me do my homework.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
I do a homework.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Talk to me about it.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
So my parents and my mom is Panaman. My mom's
side of the family's Panaman. So yeah, that's where you know,
that's where it comes from. Half Panamin have black African
American And I don't know why Wiki decided to do that.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
I looked, I've looked for a little fun back and
there for you and me.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Everybody was like everybody's like, bro, you're from Panama and like,
I don't go. I was troiling like, oh I'm from Panama, bro,
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I was troiling for a minute.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Then you put it back.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
You know what I'm saying that I put it back. Yeah,
went a part like not from.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Panama family, but I am panamanon though. You know what
I'm saying that those out there Panamane and black for sure.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
And I also know that you played at CAL Berkeley.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Let's just lead in the Cal here.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like the landscape of college football has changed pretty drastically,
what's your take on Cal.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Let's talk about the dissolving of the just the PAC twelve.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
What's your take on.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
It this week?

Speaker 6 (04:05):
You know what I'm saying, especially growing up from out here, man,
growing up watching PAC ten, so I'm like, man, i
gotta go to the Pack ten and it was PAC twelve,
So I'm like, I'm for sure going Pack twelve. West
Coast kid, I'm like, this is USA Twelter Darsy.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Pack to all that. Yeah, yeah, the rivalries.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
High scoring, all that.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Then all of a sudden, you know, all this randoms
are happening, and you know we're flying across the country
to go play in the ACC every week. Is like
I don't know me personally, I feel like that it
was weak and I feel like that shouldn't have been
a dissolving of the PAC twelve man, because like that's
such a like historical conference, especially for West Coast kids

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like us.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You grew up, you're in the West Coast, you always
want to play it.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I can't believe you actually did it.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I mean my thing is like why the ACC? There's
there's another Why the ACC? You know what I'm saying,
Like there's so many other white the A C. C.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
I mean what they'll say, man, money talk like real
like money talks man, And like I don't know what
negotiations what happened with anybody you know of that you know?
But I just I know some type of negotiation how
to go down And they're like, you know, okay, we're
going over here.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Clearly the money was right, but one both Stanford and
cal and I'm want to put y'all on like a duo,
which we do with we would do with Bois or
San Diego. I don't see like as all these conference
realignments are happening, Like, I don't see y'all being on

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the offensive side aggressive. I feel like everybody else went
to another conference and they were like, Yo, we're gonna
get the money, and then you guys like, oh, we
don't want to be where Oregon State in Washington State
is where you're just like sitting here like in this
limbo aliate members of the Mountain.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
West this year, which south that Oregon State?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, we do Washington Hey, we did play we did
play them all. We played them all. State played them all.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
So Oregon State.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's called the pack too now and there are affiliate
members of the Mountain West.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Which Fred State should be in which friends of.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
State let's let's let's not.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Let let's air it out here real quick, Jayhawk like
friende State would be in the top half of the packs.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We're underfit against UCLA, still out there, President State.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
State would finish ahead of Cow on the packs unfit
against U.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie.
Man I ain't gonna cave. Fresno State did do the thing.
I got a lot of homies that went to President
State that baar. I respect, I respect President State program.
I messaged up. But I'm not seeing us, especially on
my cave now, my twenty eighteen squad.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Y'all not seeing this.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm not even thinking now.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Maybe I'm not scoring like.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oregon or we almost beat orgon too.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But if you think, yeah, Washington, Washington.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Washington, we beat Washington. We beat Washington twice, did I
know that?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
What you don't? What?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Mike?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Here's what Jayhawks right?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Because in the PAC twelve, especially the late nine games, Bro,
it's like when we go to Hawaii, anything can happened.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
That's why I love to talk up here.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Any think it happened, Any think it happened in the
PAC twelve.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's what makes that be real.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
But PAC twelve's the biggest enemy is themselves because every
team you see each other.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
That's why there was never a.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Power however, and nobody ever did the playoffs beside Organ
that one time.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
He got in Utah, but even Utah have been power.
But you talk out.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
There like, oh, they're going to street the schedule, and
it's like, Bro, I'm sorry, everybody each other a professional podcast.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Bro, bro to talk to me.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
You talk to me, I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I'm gonna talk about Fresne State though it was a
good program, like I said, they are now we San
Diego State too, good program. They're not we But you
feel me like even I got respect for Utah State.
You know, I had some boys down with that, nah,
like Journal Loven and the Solid my boys, the Boise

(08:04):
Boise too. I'm sirpping. I can't leave, but I don't know, man,
I just I feel like y'are not seeing us.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
I'm in. I'm gonna keep that opinion. But I respect y'all.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I want to know.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I'm not seeing about respect.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Let's get a deep dive here. So you're from l A, from.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Sowe, Orange County, Iras County.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
You went to cal broke on me. Yeah yeah, So
let's let's shoot straight, right. Did you want to go
to U c l A U s C? Like, what
what's coming out the coming out the gate? I'm like,
let me go to s C. Let me go to
U c l A. I mean no, U c l A. No,
it was it was never four.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
We can all agree with LA in this room.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
Right, Okay, you don't like I mean, bro know you straight?

Speaker 5 (08:46):
I mean, I ain't gonna know.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
I don't have no like I see like I got
a lot of homies that went to these schools. You
feel me them up, them up. But I'm not a
U s l A. A clap guy I was I was
growing up. You feel me well a cloud, you know
what I'm saying, Like Arsenal State going to A for sure, Okay,
but I just.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Want to know what was your Look what took you
to cow Bro?

Speaker 6 (09:12):
So basically like I just because like I got offered
by l A and usc USC wanted me to play defense.
U l A offered me late and I was like, nah,
I ain't going for that. You know what I'm saying.
I'm like, I'm not gonna take that. I'm good. And
the same with the us C that offered me. I'm like,
I'm good, I'm good. And then I took my coutrip.

(09:32):
I messed with it. I've seen what they're doing, like
from a from a football standpoint, me playing receiver, we
had Jared Goff. There were running five wide every play
receivers is going for over one hundreds. I'm like slinging
it left and right. I'm seeing what's going on, Sony Dice, everybody.
It was just turned and I was like, okay, the
solid And then obviously from educational standpoint, I ain't gonna

(09:55):
lie beat it.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I can't beat it. Like, yeah, I'm gonna get best
of both worlds.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
And yeah that's a good school, but good school, I.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Ain't they called friends of the Harvard of the West, so.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Reads no, no, ain't no.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
But I just yeah, just from from those I was like,
I'm getting the best of both worlds. And I'm like,
I'm only like six six hours away from the crib.
I'm far away, but I'm you know what I'm saying,
far away, but I'm close enough at.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
The same time you can drive home, you know what
I'm saying. So I was like I messed with it.
I was like, oh cool, And I messed with it
when I was out there, So I was like, for sure, yeah,
you're putting on me. Just I mean, I'm just going
back on that.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like, so you chose al Berkeley over USC.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Every USC is in the backyard. Yeah, but it's like
you got to think about it. That's in my backyard.
Then why you offered me late? And I was boring
in high school.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
There was a little disrespect there. I mean, let's I mean,
let's really really talk about it. You chose wide receiver.
I mean you were safety in the league.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Now, but I was. I was bawling in high school.
I was going crazy four star crew. I mean I
played both ways in high school though, so like I
was doing my thing, but like receiver was something.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
I was like, Okay, this is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
I want to play defense in college and I want
to play safety. I want to get the rock and
I'm trying to score testdowns. And so then when I
got to Cal, I like volunteered to play.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you went.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
You came in as a white out to.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Call the coach Robings. You didn't have.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Coach good dude, good dude, good due, real good dude,
good links, good dude, good links, good links. But no, Yeah,
so Rob Blankings was there, and I was like, Okay,
I want to get on the field fast.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
You know what I'm saying. As a true freshman.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
You know, like when you going into college, that true
freshman stamp is like a big deal.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
You don't realize how big it is. I think until
you're there though.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, but it's really not a big deal. Though, I
mean it is. But bro, we gotta be honest.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
In the long term.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Though, in the long term personal ego goals.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Yeah, Okay, if you're playing as a truth you dog,
you're a dog.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Doesn't matters if you playing is a true your dog.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
I'm not saying not, but I'm saying from a from
a like from an ego standpoint, from from an ego standpoint.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
It used to be in the dude.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, So I'm like, man, I'm about to go play
a corner like you you know what I'm saying, about
to go play corner. So I'm like, all right, for so,
I'll play defense for a year and then go back
to receiver. I'm trying to be like, all right, cool,
I went to go play corner and then you know,
they're pretty solid. Man, got the rotation a little bit,
and then I got hurt. I told my labor room,

(12:39):
like after the first game, played the first game a
little big, I'm my feetway then told my fir to
my labor room out for the season, and then when
I was coming back, they were like, how do you
feel about going to safety?

Speaker 5 (12:51):
I said what, Like what safety?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (12:57):
You feel me?

Speaker 6 (12:58):
And then I was just like all right, man, we'll
talk to my dad. He was like, bro, stay there,
just just trust the process.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
So I just trusted the process and then panned out.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So, but you were concerned about the shift from corner
to safety because in high school you play corner.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, you feel me because I'm thinking, like, man, like
I'm an aggressive player and I'm like, okay, Safety's cool,
but like that's not what I want to do. I
want to go back to playing receiver. I came here
to play receiver. I was just doing this for the moment.
You feel me, because to make it look good once again,
an ego more of an ego thing rather than rather
than like.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
A realistic thing. Soever you go.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
But also there's dudes in the league who have showed
that they could play be the ultimate football player and
play both ways or being asset and like, I think
I always use the example, especially like in my journey
and as I have brothers and like interviewing dudes like
yourself or you're like, hey, when it comes down to
an NFL squad putting you on the active roster the

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fifty three or not, like they're gonna put their fifty
three best assets on it now.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
They drafted some dudes number one overall and not gonna
play because they paid it. There's some guys who got
undrafted or higher, you know, rounds three and up, and
they've had ebbs and flows in the game, maybe the injuries.
Maybe they've started as nothing and did something. But like,
the more asset you could be, the higher chances they're
gonna value and pay you. So if you're a dude,

(14:21):
if you're a white out again I say this being
a white out, like you're a white out who knows X, Y,
H and Z understands I could be a gunner, long snapper,
holder TV all this sudden your value goes from like, oh,
he's he's our third AH, but like he's our third H.
But he's also I'm saying this this is my personal

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like I mean it in this sense of like that's
relevant in anything that you you're not that far off.
You were trying to be an asset to say, like
what if you did play those first two years as
a dB go back to wide out.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
You go to NFL.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Hey, by the way, if you need a dude, look
at the guy who's dude on the Chiefs who they're
gonna have new kioffs this year with a new kickoff rule.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Oh what I'm telling you this. But it's a couple
of dudes like my boy, my boy keis Nixon for
the Packers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Do you like think about it from a kickoff respective
when they change, all you gotta do is kick that.
At this point right now, instead of having ten dudes
on the field that could tackle, you're having an eleventh
man who could also be your like real real, real,
real safety net right changing the game. I'm talking about assets.
This is a business said. Actually, I don't mean to

(15:36):
go off to your stuff, man, talk your stuff. I'll
talk to your stuff man. Now, that is true. So
I was thinking of that. But like like you said, man,
like that.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Helped me out in the long run, Like me being
able to play both positions help me.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Out on long run.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Like when I went to safety, that helped me out
a lot. You know what I'm saying, Like I kind
of see the field seeing the field differently, you still
see the field. I feel like differently, I don't like
attack the ball and like make plays on the ball
like a dB.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
They helped me like attack the ball like receiver helped
me get a lot of picks in college.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Let me get picks in the league.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
So like there's something like there's parts of like of
my game when I play receiver that I still use
to this day.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
So well, you see dudes in the.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
League where it's very evident where like they only played
like dB their whole life. They got no hands, they
got all They're locked in on an island, which is great, phenomenal.
They're master at the c. I'm gonna use Jalen Johnson
as example. It's one of the boys that bring the juice.
Like that man is a pure bred defensive back.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Lockdown, lockdown, cure down.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't don't worry about him.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Put him over there.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, that guy's out all right. So now we got
three set over here like whatever. He's proved that and
he's getting paid like it now as he should.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Jay.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
But I'm saying, like there's other dudes and I and
I just think about this, like playing wise and Jalen
I know he played he's from Presno, like he's played
white out in high school. But like having that experience, bro,
it helps you out. Like we're gonna interview our Moni
Rogers later tonight. Him being quarterback in college. Obviously it
would have been great to be a tight end all

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of college, so you're better tight end in the league.
But his fact that he was a quarterback in college,
he knows what quarterback is actually thinking on the set hike,
the little two point three five seconds that they have
to do. What tappening? He doesn't type a five yard out.
He's got like the again we're talking about assets. The
more tools you can put in your toolbox, it becomes
something that registers to coaches as a business standpoint. But like,

(17:33):
well you playing that, you you playing white out and
coming as the white out and then shifting to dB.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
What year are you?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
As far as I guarantee you, that initial part of
coming into cow and being a wide receiver has helped
you in your NFL career more than you just know.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Bro, It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
I mean helps me always like just be around the
bar and stuff like that, and that's like a big
part of my game. And like that's something that I
like always, dude, Like I'm always catching balls or like
always on the drugs, like receiver stuff like that. So
like I still use those things even like in and
out of breaks, Like I still use some of my

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receivert things to get in and out of breaks when
I'm grinding somebody man and man, it's like I'm running
the route. It's like it's like little things, you know
what I'm saying. So it all comes down to really
just being a football player, being real, Like.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean, let's talk about the interception pick six
King drawn bland drawn blads wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Wide receiver receiver like he nice sack State.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Transferred over to dB. I mean, look at him, he's
intercepting King. He came from WI receiver moved to dB.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Like that's that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know what I'm saying. That's the dude right there.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
But I mean just training with him, talking to him
and stuff like that, Like he same the same little tradition.
Wide receiver moved over to dB and he said the
same thing you said, Like it teaches him how to
attack the ball differently. You know that y'all see a
different type of fashionbody.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Else from the cal education.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
You got drafted to the Atlanta Falcons with Mike. Mike's
also in Atlanta Falcons all all big Falcon What are
they called dirty bird? Baby did dirty bird? I've been
a lot of Falcons games for Mike. Uh big dirty
bird energy, love the stadium, Mercedes Benz is lit. What

(19:23):
was your like? And I know that you're not with
the Falcons any morning? Just how the Patriots correct. Talk
to me about the business side of the game, because
obviously you come in you feel invested. Things happen. I
know there's politics, the games of business. Sometimes it's numbers.
Sometimes things land in your favorite sometimes they don't. Like
tell me your experience of feeling like I'm a pros

(19:46):
pro and Mike, I know you could attach to this
considering like you started off so far healthy with the Falcons,
big years ahead, and then last year is just crazy
bouncing around. Yeah, and then you go next thing, you know,
your start We're faced. You're like, yo, I'm telling TJ.
Watt what to do because I'm on the mic.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Stupid.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, tell tell me about your business side of the
league that you really experienced.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I would say for me, I experienced it to last
year like halfway through being with Atlanta, just I'm not
gonna get too far in there. I'll keep a service level,
just some contract stuff, you know. And I didn't agree
on certain things, and so I didn't agree on that,
so I to be you know, traded or release from

(20:32):
the program. So granted me that I ended up, you
know with la charges. You know what I'm saying back
at the crib, which was dope, playing with them and everybody,
and it was love. It was cool, man, And play
that through and then obviously, you know, my rookie deals up.
So you go to free agency test the waters see
who offers you the best situation, money, best the best

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fit for you.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
It's it's like you picking where to go, different than
picking you, you know. And so, uh that happened, and
I picked the Patriots. Man, good organization level. I'm mad
and yeah, so I mean I would say, like the
biggest thing, like I would say, it's just like for me,
it was like kind of like Mike, it was like
up and up, you know, every year I was just
balling more.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
And more level and level and level and level.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know, it went through some little ruts, but like
at the same time, It taught me a lot, especially
in this game, Like you got to really like stand
on business and really like stand on business and really
take I was I would just say, really stand on business, man,
and know your worth at the end of the day,

(21:38):
right because it's a huge Yeah, I know your worth
and stand on business man, And like obviously you gotta
have the proof. Gott to be in the putting for
you to feel that way, you know what I'm saying,
Like you gotta be doing it.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
You gotta be balling, you gotta be you know what
I'm saying, or like.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I think, like when you know that and you know
you're worth of certain things, man, you gotta stand on
business because like this is a business and like you
learn so much, you know through it, Like you know
sometimes and a lot of the times the just be
situational things like some people may not be in the
right situation or the numbers game or something like that.
So like you just got to know, you know, in

(22:15):
this game, don't take offense to certain things. Just know
sometimes it's like Okay, I'm in a best situation. I
got over here and ended up starting a couple of
games and playing, so like just keep going, man, and uh,
always be real with yourself.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, you feel me So that takes time. It's not
you can't, especially as an athlete. Like and like, I
think that's one of the most surreal things when you
first get to college. Right, every freshman that comes in
with you, they were they got the MVP, a WAD
for their high school team, they were.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
First team at the little league.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like you come in, dumb man.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, and you've talked about starting as a freshman, Like,
there's a lot of dudes that get humbled real quick
where they think they're going to come in.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
And what's what's the what's the recruiting pitch?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Bro?

Speaker 7 (22:57):
We really like you?

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Bro's you see a future with you?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Bro?

Speaker 7 (23:01):
You take a photo shoot or two.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Coach talking to your mom, dad, uncle, don't matter who
like you.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
But now they're giving that money.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Different breaking But yeah, I'll think it all topic. But yeah,
I think the biggest thing too is just like, don't
like outside noise. You know what I'm saying, don't listen.
You gotta block that out, lean your life out. A
lot of it too, is like football is like a
big Like when you're on the field, you got a

(23:35):
lot of ego, Like you know what I'm saying, You
got a lot of confidence and ego in yourself. You
gotta carry yourself a certain way. But like when you're
going through all these stuff and everything like that, like
you can't let your ego get away too. Like, like
I said, you gotta be real with yourself and be like, Okay.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
For sure, well this is this, this is that.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
Okay, Well I'm gonna just go harder and I'm gonna
just make sure I level up, you know, so I
could just do certain things better or I play better
and stuff like that. Like it's a it's a lot
of ups and downs man, like Mike know, through a season,
and like even for the people that are balling or like,
it's always ups and downs. Football is consistently ups and downs.
Like but if you if you could somehow like know

(24:18):
how to handle the l's and how to handle the
wins too, that's just as important. Yeah, you feel me like,
you'll be straight. You'll be straight, you know what I'm saying.
Be cussing, nothing will knock you off your course. Like
last year, Okay, boom, I'm a slide. Okay, it's not
gonna knock me off my course. I'm still I'm still
I'm still internal.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I don't think people realize like the internal battle of
this thing because like from a man standpoint, like football
set aside football absolutely, but like you could go home
to a now future wife, mom and dad, whatever the
hell am I be? Like you come on from practice
and it's like, dude, like I really got a lot
on my mind, my heart, and this is something where

(24:59):
it it's a job, yes, but it also is a
game that whether you say I don't love football, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like you have to to the extent.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
It might be just like hey, you have to love it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
You have to love it to an extent Like you
might say it's a business, I'm good at it. Like Mike,
I know you feel some type of way about it sometimes,
but it's just like you have like whether it's the
little key in you that comes out on a certain
day where it's like I'm not starting, maybe I'm not active,
you know I should be starting. I was started on
four special teams, getting rotating with with the with with

(25:33):
oh and O Lineman went down, they got an active one.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Hey, you're in street coases.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Understand that wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
You understand that you don't get that part and guess
what as a man, it's like, okay, maybe you're check's
the same, but there's a sense of pride in this.
You'd be laying at bed at night staring you, like
looking at your feet a little longer, like you really
are internally going through these struggles and you gotta turn
towards faith. You gotta turn towards believe it in your
self soul. Fact that does it just take You can't

(26:03):
just do that from a JV year where you're having
a couple of touchdowns. Bro, it takes time. How many
four star, five star.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Recruits did we play with?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, guess what they go through one fall camp and
they're serving ice cream, cones and McDonald's because they can't
handle the pressure.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
No, it's mental.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So just knowing you and help being with you since
we first got draft, I know, faith really big. I
mean just just telling people like, do you think you know,
switching from wide receiver to defense getting hurt and not
just having to rely on your faith and having to
rely in that like really helped you through the you know,
getting released or getting moving on for Like, do you
think that really helped you.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
Get through it? Oh?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, I would say, honestly, man, my faith that was
the biggest thing. Man, Like God really helped me through
it all, like for sore, like that molded me. And
like I see like God be doing things in so
many different ways to where it's like okay, damn, Like
I used to leave here okay boom and up been
in close the joys and boom and have been a
better situation okay boom. So it's like you just got

(27:02):
to stay the courseman, and keep going. And like when
you believe in how that faith, man, like you'll be straight.
It's not easy. It's hard, hard, like you know, but
like you gotta stay the course and like always be positive.
I'm a very optimistic person, so like like people know,
like whenever I was down or something bad or everything
like that was that like I always applaud the next

(27:22):
man or whoever it is, or always positive, you know
what I'm saying. I had the attitude, you know, and
I never really like I tripped because obviously like it'll
be like man if I'm better, you know, like the
competitive side. But then it was just like you know it, okay,
if I focus on my inputs and control of what
I can, because that's like a big thing I learned,
Like if you focus on like your inputs, like what
am I What am I putting into myself?

Speaker 5 (27:43):
What am I putting in my cup?

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Something, something gonna happen, and it's gonna be small wins
that add up to where it's like okay, boom, Like
that's why you see it that overnext out of nowhere.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, oh, Bro came out
of nowhere or he came out of nowhere.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
You didn't come out of nowhere out of nowhere, Brodeons.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I love that little bro where he's like like light
ain't on you, the camera on you keep making plays
like like like it's really hard to consistently be doing
the right thing and not getting the.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
For we lived, but we're men exactly the two you learn.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I gotta go to work every day and get my
lunch paid and put my belt on and go and
with this money and sometimes I'm not going to come
home to a hug or or an Instagram post.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
I want to know thing got big following with like
college kids and you know to say, what is your
first I'm in the league moment, Like tell us about
your first coming to the league, like this is I'm here.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I'm here now.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
It was so weird, bro, because we it was weird
because we came in during COVID, So like you feel me,
Like all the exterior factors of like I'm in the
league was like low key, limited, no fans.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
You feel me. We were a mask everywhere we're doing
verge to a course. You feel me.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
So it's like I'm getting that I'm in the league field,
but I ain't getting that field no preseason, you know
what I'm saying. So like I didn't get in my
first game until like we played Seattle, and I would say,
like the practices was like, damn, okay, I'm in the league.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
This hard, We're going to get Julio.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
It wasn't.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
It wasn't. It wasn't like it hit me.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
But it ain't hit hit because it was so like
limited interaction with certain things like even our rookie development
program wasn't even in person. It was just like it
was just a whole bunch of we didn't have ot
as like.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
We had.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
We get it that another hour.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
But so it was just like okay, but like when
we got to that first game, No, I first went
and that was my first live action We Can't Tackled
All Summer, All.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
The Bad in the Bag, trading Libruls, Hit the Robot.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Hit the Robot was Chris Carson, Live Bullet and Seattle running.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Back Chris Carson. Michael was in the game. Yeah, because
the first year I played, I played. I'm sorry, I
got a couple of starts, but I played a little bit.
But Michael was in the game a little bit more.
I was spent a lot of spout special Teams ACE,
so like I can't for real. So I came in
my first player, my first player ever. We kicked off,
I remember, and I was just so turned like I was.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
So going crazy, jail going crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Like to me, Jayhawk was a mixture of Jamal Adams
and Camp Champill.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I'm gonna tell you what I like.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
And I'm gonna go to the Hall of Fame baby.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And I'm telling you right now like I wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm telling you like when you when you watch you
watch the season, man, you watch Jayhawk, just watch the
way he feel the whole like he is coming like
on seven he's elite, Like he's elite, Like he's coming downhill.
You know what I'm saying, but at the same time,
like he just told you about his wide receiver background,
like he is a ballhawk.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Jay Hawk, jay Hawk for the reason like he's a ballhawk,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
So that's that's my thing about him with Jamar Adams.
But when it comes to the run game, I think
I think the best thing that Jayhawk does is his
run defense is nuts.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Let me ask you this one. Then tell me the
biggest hit you ever been in.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
I would say, Bro, honestly, back to your question, I'm
gonn answer that. I would say, honestly, I'll feed off
everybody like you got the juice saying, I would be turned.
So like if anybody do something like there's players I
don't know that be balling I played with you know
what I'm saying, That be silent assassins, but they turn
at the same time.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
But like I played with some rock guys.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
We played with some rock guys where like we just
turned even in the back end, like it's it's fun.
So like I just I'm just player, bro, Like I'll
like whoever I'm playing beside with is turned. Like I'm
trying to embrace everybody because at the end of the day.
Like in a game, you're gonna need everybody because like
you don't know what's gonna happen. We didn't have games
where three people went down, two be went down, you

(31:54):
know what I'm saying. So it's like, man, you gotta
you gotta be turned with everybody the juice because it's
like damn, okay, if the hommy get hurt, my hommie
get hurt, you know what I'm saying. Or even if
I get hurt, if somebody gets hurt, like the chemistry
and the juice within, you know, that defense whatever gotta
be set. So like I just embraced everybody. That's that's

(32:15):
that's my goal to is the whole like the whole defense.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
So being a headhunter, I stopped. I mean I was,
what's the hardest hit you've been a part of?

Speaker 7 (32:26):
Yeah, I got I got those bars.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
I think it was one time and.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I got to renew my parking. I'm listening, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
I think it was one hit. Mm hmmm, it was
one hit I had. We played the Commanders. Okay, we
played the Commanders.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I had.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
I had Brian Robinson, so like I just that's his name,
Brian Robinson, right, Yeah, after.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
You got shot, after you got.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Shout out Trump, It's just got shot shot though. Anyways, Continuela,
that was crazy.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
He said, we eat those Nah. But I remember.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
I remember like I came in the hole. I came
in the hole. Big dude, you're a good player. I'm
there hard.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
You know, he run hard. Continue so he run hard
and back and I'm just like, man, this dude just
keep breaking tackles on this game. I'm like, damn.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Like so I just threw my body in the bro
and I said, I'm gonna throw everything I got and
then we both like went back and then like you know,
help came in and helped tackle. But it was just
like I was like, I was like, okay, I was
I'm trying to think I hit some other people pretty hard.

(33:48):
Oh man, I'll never forget too. I had for Nick
coming up in the hole. It was just me one
on one coming from the back end. I was like,
this is this is Alanta and this is me and
from that and he's running full speed Leonard, Yeah, like
full speed, you know.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
Mike, He's running full speed.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
I'm coming from the post and I'm coming down and
I'm like size and size signing up and he just
he didn't even try to shake me for me and something.
I just and I just I just remember just and
then wrapping him up. I gotta do the sound effects
you feel me wrapping them up.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
And then because uh, you picking up a good clip.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
Bro. No, but I hit him, I wrapped up, he
ran me over. I ain't gonna lie. But it was
still a great tackle because I at the tackle bam
rolled over, rolled and I was okay, got him down.
But that was some That was some stuff that Yeah,
Tony Man, listen, look him up on the Hawkins. You're

(34:55):
gonna see it a lot of people. Man, your linebacker
man with feet. Ball was the way I think he's
a linebacker feet.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I'll get you paid, bro.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
The ball is something. Yeah. I like being on the ball,
like I'm always on the ball.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
So Jayhawk, what about you know?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like from an athlete standpoint, we've talked about your accomplishment,
it's your.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Journey and all that.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It ain't always easy, No, it's like it's really mental
for sure.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Talk to me about the days when you.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Don't want to get out of bed and chase greatness.
The days were like it's really challenging. To say, I
got to get up and attack and control the control
bill and do what I could do to be the
best version of myself I could possibly be.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
What's what's the kicking gets you going?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Prayer? God?

Speaker 6 (35:37):
Like, whenever I be feeling down, I'll be going with
a guy for so, like that's the kicking. And then
also too, I was just always thinking about like because
I let those feelings overcome, you know, how I'm feeling
it my drive Like if I'm like, man, I'm tired
or like you know, and seeing the bad results or
seeing certain things, I'm just like nah like and it

(36:00):
also to just me being some motivated because like I
truthfully want to be the best that I can be
and want to fulfill all my potential and be the
best I can on the field.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
So like that would give me a kick. And I'll
think about if I'm.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Tired of this and this and this, and I'm like,
I don't want to do it, but then I get paranoid.
I start thinking like nah, like nah, like this is
an opportunity to get like one percent better, you feel me,
So I'm like, nah, like I need to do it.
You feel me, you know, Like motivation and discipline are
like two different things, and like go.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Deeper in that, so like you can't like motivation.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
Something like I'll be motivated off like okay, they they're
not trying to let me ball, like you know what
I'm saying, something would go hard. I'm gonna let that
feel my fire, you know, because of some outside factors
I'm getting motivated by.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
I'm gonna go harder. I'm gonna go harder.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
But okay, when I when I win and when I
start doing things good because of that motivation, why I
still stay disciplined?

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Still fell that way or does it die down?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Like motivation comes with waves, especially motivation from outside factors
like comes in waves. You know you feel me, So
like I start just thinking, like man, i'd rather for
me my goal and what I'm trying to master and
what I do is I try to be disciplined. So
like discipline to where it's like I'm just consistently doing it,

(37:29):
like consistently doing that, Like I hate losing, hate, I
hate getting beat on routes, I hate all that. But
like once you learn how to just stay disciplined or
something and keep at it, the consistency like that that
would keep you going because it'll keep you at your
own pace, and it'll keep and it'll allow you to
keep leveling up.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're at the highest in your field, which is a
very unique field, Like to be a professional football player
in the NFL is the highest out of I mean,
what's the what it's like one percent of high schoolers
go play D one. One percent of D one goes
and plays in the NFL. And most of those guys
last two and a half years. Right, it's called out

(38:11):
for long. You guys are past that at this point
when you say discipline and we just had a great Uh,
you just had a great episode with David Long, who Like,
what are tools you put in your toolbox to work
on your discipline? Is it strictly football? Do you read books?
Do you listen to certain dudes? Do you follow certain accounts?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Like?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Is there any outside noise that our listeners can maybe
relate to?

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I really be like, so I have like a therapist
slash mental health slash life slash pastor coach that i'll
talk to. Man shout out Kevin Knox that I consistently
meet with. You know what I'm saying to really look

(38:55):
at myself. Look what I'm doing really reflect seeing how
it can better change. I think and in all lines,
you know what I'm saying, with certain things giving me
certain skills on how to attack certain things, and also
with God, you know, so like I think the main
thing when it comes to discipline, like I read the
book Atomic Habits.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
Too, love that brook.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
I think.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
The thing about this one is like if you schedule,
and for me, it's like scheduling, planning time. I'm gonna
do this consistently. And this is my one of my priorties.
This is one of my we call it an m
I T like, this is one of my biggest things,

(39:39):
like the must think, like this thing I must do
every day.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
You feel me.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
So it's like if I'm doing those things and I'm
getting them done, I'm gonna get that done.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
That's how you do. That's how this one starts.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
You know what I'm saying, Like when you plan, schedule, Okay,
I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna consistently do it.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
But when it comes to like when.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
You don't have a plan, you don't have any type
of schedule, you don't know what you're gonna do. It's
like you could say you're gonna do it, but like
you don't know when you're gonna do it, you know
what I'm saying, And it's easy for it to slip,
you know what I'm saying. You let a lot of
outside factors get in the way, you know. So like
for me, I just try to schedule, plan, That's what
I'm doing. So I want I got My vision is

(40:16):
clear too, though your vision got to be clear.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
And yeah, just like being with you for the last
like three years we were together a half, I've never
seen you come to the field down, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I've been through them days And Frank.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I called Frank on the phone like, Yo, I've never
seen you come to the field as like I'm down,
I don't want to be here, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
That what gets you to do that? What keeps you?

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Like me?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
You talked about a little bit, but like Frank asked
you a question, like I've been in the same situation
as you, and I've been like I'm trying to go home,
like oh god, some degrees in.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Flowery Branch, Like what gets you turned every day?

Speaker 5 (40:57):
What cames you? What you go on every single day
where you're like there's no rest. I ain't gonna lie them.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Most is real though, like that, man, that's crazy type
of mos Like, nah, that's real. But I think what
gets me going, bro, Honestly, it's just like, Bro, I
think about like obviously my journey, and I obviously think
about like damn bro, I'm really in the league, so
like like I'm only going to really be able to
do this. And the older you get, the more you
realize that, like y'all realize that even more, like damn bro,

(41:24):
like when you're farve like going by quick, so it's
like damn, like I would look like a fool for
even look I mean, because the complaint is real, bro,
motions are real, Like that's a real thing.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
You're gonna feel that.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
But like if you think about the homies back home,
or you think about people who not in the same situation,
and it's like, damn bro, Like I'm blessed right now,
you know, just mainly being humble not really helping.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Much easier selling done factual.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, we've been there, Me and j Hawk got a
lot of talks.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Man, we've been there as much as you' saiding done, bro,
And you want to surround your side, you want to
surround yourself.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
By dudes like each other.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
We're like the low days, you could pick each other up.
You could, I say, I shop and zion all the time.
Like it really is sort you want to bring. You
want to have positive people around you that are nobody
wants like a locker room lawyer any of that. But
at the same time, you do want to have a
good support system. But how we talked about earlier in
the pod, like there's just there's situations as an AFTE

(42:21):
where nobody really feels the emotions you feel beside yourself,
and like as a man, you want to provide.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
You want to continue to do your thing.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And as an NFL football player, like you being active,
is you providing?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
You making plays? Is you providing? So when it's it's
in Like I don't think people understand the extent.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Of when you get cut or you get brought to
being inactive, like basically saying like another man is physically
better than you.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
And your job's taken.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
But that's but that's how it depends how you interpret it,
Like right, it's a it's a it's it just the
majority of it is like okay, situationally like okay, I
can let I can let the outside noise be like,
ah well it looks like that exactly.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
When a lot of times really don't be like that.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Like I'm I'm no dudes who've been an active starting
the first five weeks ended up starting the back end
of the season, and that that's all of a sudden,
he the best guy on the team. That's the best
corner we should have been had and we should so
like it's but that's but that's but That's what I'm
saying though, Like that's what I'm saying. So it's like
take advantage of every ip you have, no matter where

(43:34):
you at, no matter if you're starting or not, because
like we both I started full seasons and stuff like that.
But like even if that that don't mean you safe.
Nothing is safe, you know what I mean. Yeah, So
like when you have that approach, just like okay, you're
gonna still have that humble mindset of like Okay, I
gotta be disciplined, our body, be consistent, I gotta keep
raising the bar because like me and Mike know, like

(43:57):
every year, I know they be saying that they're trying
to bring somebody new, somebody, somebody younger, a lot of
you know.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
So It's just like.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
The outside, all the outside, bro, don't even worry about it,
good or bad. That's what Also going back to handling wins,
handling losses the same.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
So as we wrap it up here, Madrid's coming in season.
What's the one thing you're going to camp? Like, I'm
ready to go to camp. What's one thing you can
tell the flowers people listening? What's one thing you tell me?
What's your mindset going into my mind?

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Still going to campus? Really to go in question, not
real mind?

Speaker 6 (44:31):
Still going to camp is really going in there and man,
just turn like you know, getting it going for the team.
This is just you know, campus is a good time
for us to really gel and really I mean, okay,
this is.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
A good time.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
But like campus, okay, playing real ball, time for us
to really get after it together, learn a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
I would also say, like learning a lot of things.
Coming together and building that strong bond, especially the defense
is really important. And really getting after it, you know,
throughout practicay in and day out of practice, competing with
the offense, really making each other better, and obviously approaching
the season with a one game mentality.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Guys, ladies and gentlemen, Jalen Hawkins, Jayhawk, appreciate you coming
on the pop bro follow Jayhawk on the Grand.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Patriots gavaghall of the year.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm fired up. I'm going to New England already, baby.
I got Jonathan Jones who said lock me in for
a game. I'm getting ratchet out in Tom.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Brady's old territory. But yeah, I wish you the best
this year. Blessings, lots of health and we'll see you
next week.