QB Jacob Eason

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, all right, what welcome back to bring the Jews.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is where the magic guy I like Jacob Easton,
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Thanks, right, let's jus baby, let's get it sound bit.
It's going crazy already. First minute in I loved.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Let's just start with your with your football journey obviously, right,
careers started off at Georgia.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
How did it start off at Georgia? What made you
decide you were a highly recruited guy coming out of
high school, which we'll get into. But why Georgia out
of the gate?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
A lot of factors.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
First of all, I was I was fortunate enough, had
a strong enough arm and a big enough size to
uh get recruiters about anywhere I wanted to go. So
I was very blessed and fortunate in that space. But uh,
A lot of factors went into Georgia. It was the university,
there was obviously the football team. They had a great
track record of putting guys in the league. You know,
you look at the list of quarterbacks that get Stafford
and Murray and all those dogs crazy that rolled through

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there and had great careers and continued great careers.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So that was a big factor in it too.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Another factor that that not a lot of people know
about was my dad played ball at Notre Dame and
he was from Washington State. So when I was, you know,
getting recruited in my sophomore junior year, one thing he
said was, don't don't let the factor of where home
is decide be your deciding factor where.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
You go to school. There's a lot out there, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
So I was eager and willing to go to try
something new, get out, you know, get out of the
home space and and go spread my wings a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
So kind of all those bunded into.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
The the factors of UGA right, and I don't regret
it for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's a great place to play ball.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
You were the number one QB on twenty sixteen class
in high school. I think people forget the recruiting, like
what recruiting once was. Like, there's so much social media
hooplug going on now, you don't know Who's credible as
much anymore it used to be rivals.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
The opening Eat eleven tell me being a.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Highly recruited quarterback in high school going through all that,
because that was that was that was the juice at
that point in the life.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Tis Yeah, so there was there was a lot. You know,
I grew up in a somewhat small town Lake Stevens
High School. We were four A, which is the biggest
in the state. But I grew up in a very
tight knit commuity where everybody knew everybody. So having that
sense of like outside noise and all that attention, that
was something I was completely not used to. And I
remember I had just got an Instagram in high school
on a Twitter and you know, you see the following

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just skyrocket when you're a heavy recruit, you know, it's
it's it's so that whole experience for me was completely
eye opening and brand new. I honestly wasn't a huge
fan of the spotlight. Like I played ball from really
you know, Little Tikes elementary school up to high school
with the same dudes. Yeah, so I love that about
playing at like Steven's High school, and I wanted to

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make sure like regardless of all this outside attention, the
noise of recruiting.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I wanted to make sure that was the.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Main thing and so that so the outside noise wasn't
super helpful in that aspect, but also like it's recruiting,
like it's going to happen, you know, when you're when
you were in the spot that I was, So I
accepted it and I did what I could with it.
I got to meet some awesome coaches, different personnel guys,
and I got some cool stories out of it. So
it was h It's quite the experience coming out of
small town. And then obviously you know that that was

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very helpful in the transition from going from high.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
School to college too.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
But there was a lot of eyes on me in college,
but I had a little taste of it coming out
of a small town with the national intention and recruiting
and all that. But yeah, to your point, like with
the NIL these days and recruitment out of high school,
it's it's a different ballgame.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
So I'm kind of glad I was. I was. I
guess that's old news.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Simpler time.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, simpler times.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
It doesn't seem like we still had all the tech
and everything, but it's just it's the wild West.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Now, so I had it easy. I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
What I mean, share with us because I think so
many people, especially we've.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Got a lot of high school recruits that still listened
to this show. A lot of guys that weren't good
enough to go to certain universities or camps or whatnot.
Didn't it invited to the lead of Levee and whatnot?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
What was one of your favorite in those elite camp
situations in high school?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
What's when of the cool things to happen?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
So we did.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, I did the Elite eleven, I did the opening.
I think those were you know, the Lead eleven was
like the most sought after quarterback fraternity.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, I used to watch the show growing up.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
I always wanted to be a part of it, and
I'm super, you know, super fortunate that I am part
of that fraternity forever because it's actually where I met
my roommate Kja, who.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
You'll see later. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
But yeah, So, I mean some of the crazier stories
was just you know, like like again, I came from
a small town going to the opening where they took
the top recruits out of everywhere in the country to
a into Oregon and had.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Us all on in the field together.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
That was very eye opening, you know, like you get
some good, good players in Washington State. We were not
getting the Joshua Moore, Tobebe's and the aj Browns and
all those.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Dogs, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think the craziest story was going to the opening
and watching josh and more Tobebe do his vertical.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Jump where he literally floated.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, he jumped and floated for two seconds in the
air before he came back down on earth.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was the most you saw it live.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I saw it live.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I was standing I don't know, you can pull up
the clip or whatever, but I was standing like three
feet in to his left, you know, and he jumps
and it literally looked like he paused time and was
hovering in the air and came back down. So I
think the coolest thing about you know, that same thing
for the Little eleven. He weren't guys weren't jumping like that,
but the way guys were throwing the rock right like
it was very eye opening in terms of, oh yeah,
there's a lot of dudes guys out there that are

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that are just as good and better than me, you know,
throwing the rock. So that was pretty cool. And that
was you know, also another opportunity for me to really like, Okay,
you know, I don't have it.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
All figured out. I got a lot of work to do.
This is just the beginning.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
So yeah, stories like that, just just seeing guys jump
out of the gym and and and the athletes that
were around the country at the time was was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
There's a lot of football, especially in your position as
a quarterback, like quarterback legends that were involved in those
type of places. Was there any big name VET that
kind of gave you a good piece of advice at
that stage.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah, I mean there was. The advice was pretty pretty
consistent throughout. You know, it was always, you know, continue
to stay consistent, work hard, you know, always you know,
getting your book and and and study, and you know,
obviously navigating through the college college life was was it
played a factor.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
In that, you know, you wanted to stay.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Stay you know, keep keep your bearings and stay out
of the stay out of the noise a little bit
as much as you could. But also you know, you
got to live your life and be a college kid.
So you know, I remember getting those I guess you
could say warnings, you know, going to Georgia's, but you know,
specifically was it was a big one.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know how downtown Athens get.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
But no, when I was at the Lead eleven, it
was like Carson Wentz was a was a counselor. I
think Hackenberg was there that year. I think Golf might
have been there that year too. Uh So, you know,
we had some pretty pretty big name guys coming out there,
and it was a while ago now, so it's hard
to remember exactly what was what the advice was given.
A lot of it was critiquing, you know, throwing mechanics
or drop back mechanics. But you know, the things I

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remembering is, you know, live your life, enjoy your life,
but also remember that you're in the spotlight and you
only got one last name, so don't try to tarnish it,
you know what I mean. So I wish I could
go back and kept the journal or something, but that's
that's what I can remember.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
What about enrolling early to go to college and play
football at Georgia.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, so that was that was kind of an idea
that my parents and also myself you know, kind of
started forming, I don't know, sophomore junior year high.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
School, Like would I go early type of thing.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Correct, you know, I was My mom always pushed me
on the on the academic so I was, I was
always in advanced classes in the event that if I
got the opportunity, I could do that. So I was
able to graduate a semester early. And the other side
of that was I also wanted to go somewhere I
could compete right away as a freshman right and compete
to be the starter. So Georgia ended up lining up

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to be that opportunity for me, as well as the
school I wanted to go to.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I committed there, and I ended.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Up leaving high school semester early so that I could
get in and do spring ball and you know, acclimated
a little bit before jumping right into camp and then
trying to crack it that way. So I had a
full spring under my belt, a summer and then and
then training camp and also full semesters of classes right
So by the time freshman camp rolled around, I felt,
you know, I had a whole semester at all. So
I felt light years beyond where would my head would

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have been spending, you know, getting to school, getting to camp.
You know, it would be a lot hitting the ground running.
So I felt graduating early getting out there was my
best chance that competed for the job, which ended up
working out for me.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I always felt like I would never have left early
given the opportunity. But like you said, I don't think
people understand like the jump from high school to college.
Obviously the skill level, the talent level, et cetera. But
maybe it's being offensive guys. We're just trying to learn
the playbook and understand there's these options where that wasn't
even a thing right two months ago in high school football,

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Like now, all of a sudden, I have the ability
to I have to read a safety or course it
used to be, you know formation as a wide receiver,
you're either running a slant and out your treat its
route tree.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
And trying to get also the a grasp on just
the schedule itself.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's there's some hard hardcore high schoolball programs out there
these days.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Absolutely, It's like, I mean, yeah, you can, you can
rattle off the list, but there's it's it's almost they're
almost run like colleges now and just with nil in college, it's.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Almost like that.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Through recruiting and the money aspect, it's all kind of
windled down to high school. And now dudes are transferring
in high school to go to get a better opportunity
to go to college. So the landscape has definitely changed.
But uh yeah, had I not gone a semester early,
it would have been tough. You know, you're away from
home for the first time. You got classes, you know,
you got new roommates, you got school. Like you said
in the playbook, the biggest Another big thing is a

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weight room, like I had never I lifted in high school,
but I wasn't pushing sec way, you know, like I.
You know, it took me a few months to get
up up to speed with with the dudes I was
playing with. So having that extra time in the weight room,
having that extra time with the coaches is all super
critical in me. You know, having a chance to compete
in camp for the job.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
What about so as you compete, you eventually earned your
role and you and you got the nod to be
the starter. One thing, you know, we talked about everything
juice all the time, is the elements of the game.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
One of them's injuries.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yep, you got one.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Take me through that.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
So that was my sophomore year. I started I ended
up starting my freshman year eleven of the twelve games.
I came in halfway through the opening game to against
UNC and the old Georgia Downes.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
But my next year from had come in. I was
competing with him for the job.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Kirby was big on competition, so we never announced up
until a week before the game the opening game.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
So I ended up winning the job my sophomore year.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
And then I think it was the second or third
series home opener against Appalachian State, I got pushed out.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Of bounds like I did my knee and I was
out and that was that was a huge thing for me.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I'd gotten hurt my freshman year of high school football.
I once again just gotten the job. And it was
a weird thing. I broke my arm and it was
out for the season. But so obviously, you know, college
in high school are very different. So that was the
first year I really learned how to with my injury,
how to like manage those emotions and navigate all right,
like I'm I'm a competitor and I know this is

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like my team.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I earned this spot. I worked for it.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
But at the end of the day, it's like if
you can't go, you can't go, And so I didn't
want to make I wanted to make sure that the
narrative was still about the team and it wasn't about me.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
We were winning games.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
We ended up going to the national championship that year
with from at the at the hell and uh, you know,
super super proud of what he accomplished. He's a hard
working dude, you know, great quarterback as well. So but
taking a back seat for that, you know, I ended
up being the backup in the back half of the
year when I came back.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
But it was tough. It was tough mentally, and and uh.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, from the competitive standpoint, you're like, you know,
these are the guys that I've put in the work
with and you know, you got nothing to show for
it on Saturday as you're holding the clipboard and you
got your headset on.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
But so that year was was a really big year.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
For me, navigating the emotions and the and and processing
how to stay a team guy and also you know,
and keep working. You know, because injuries happened, like you
said you could it could have happened. Any one of
those games could have been right back in the saddle.
So it was managing how to how to handle the
emotions of not being the guy making the team first,
but also preparing, you know, like I was the guy
because in the event that had happened, I would have

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to go right back in so which never ended up happening.
I ended up transferring. But uh, that was a big
year for mental growth. I think, well, it's part of
the game.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
No one talks about mental side and yeah it what's
a double sided coin, right where you could be the
guy who gets injured, who earned his spot and now
you like you said, you have to become a team
first guy who obviously and you know in football cifically,
you're in a room with the guys your compete like
most of the time they're your best friends, right, and
it's it's you want to see them succeed.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
You want them to do. But it's human nature.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You're competitive, like I want iron my spot, I want
to be the dude blah blah blah. And that mental
growth of yes, you're physically not as capable as usually
are because you're injured, right, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You got to rehab.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
You can't go full speed, you know, being a speed guy,
like if you I had it hansterring issue. At one point,
It's like, I'm not full speed. This is supposed to
be my thing, right, I'm the fast guy. If I'm
not fast, what the hell am I?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
But having to put the team first, having to understand,
like I got to own my role at this point
is it's it's called becoming a man.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Real, it's real life stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's it's some it's some real, real, real stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
The encounter of that is, like you said, you got
to be ready because you never know, maybe the dude
in front of and you're if you're biessing the dude
in front of you goes down, You're thrown into the fire.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
It's go time all the time.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Capitalize on your opportunity as best you can. And you
know the dependentlum swings both ways.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Absolutely could not agree more. Yeah, I mean, if you know,
it didn't end up working out that way. We stayed
injury free at quarterback the rest of the year. But
you know, had I got my opportunity, I would have
you know, done the best I could and and and
been right back in there. But it didn't and we
ended up transferring and and uh going that way, which
I'm sure we'll get into but yeah, that that year
in terms of mental growth and and and honestly, looking

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back now, in my whole career, like I was in
a lot of those situations in the league, So having
that in my in my background definitely helped when it
came to the next level of also managing those those
entirely new emotions of just coming in as a backup
and working your way towards being the starter. So I
think that was a huge year for mental growth and
also down the line, looking back, it was a huge

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year for just like you said, becoming a more well
rounded individual overall mental growth.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Do you have any tools in your toolbox of whether
it's books or pods or people that you reference often
or maybe at that time or now that you.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
That you Yeah, we had, we had a few.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
We had a few pretty good mental mental psychology guys
come in when I was at Georgia and Washington. We
you know, I was always big on self talk, you know,
I wasn't it wasn't ever out loud with that internal voice,
you know, the internal dialogue.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I think nerves are a real thing, even if you're
a six, seven, eight year starter, depending on how big
the game is you're always gonna get nerves. But the
ability to self talk and be confident, you know, regardless
of the situation, it's huge. So I was always been like,
you know, you've seen clips of Russell, and you've seen
clips of these guys and that they're talking right, But
that's kind of me internally.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
So I've always been whether it's.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Watching old tapes or watch you know, you know, I'll
watch the opponent tape one hundred percent, I'll get ready
for the game, but then you know, when it comes
to game time, it's like, oh, let me watch an
old you know, last week's highlights or something like that,
where I'm like, oh, shoot, that's me watch something about
watching yourself doing it.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Also the internal dialogue, like for complete uh, complete confidence
is huge, So I totally agree. Yeah, I don't really
know if there's any tricks of the trade. I think
everybody's different. Everyone has their own kind of pregame routine whatever,
whether it's the music they're listening.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
To or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I had mine, it was a lot of self talk,
good music, and maybe throwing on an old highlight tape.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah yeah, throwing that high school.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, it wasn't as much it wasn't as much high school,
but it was more so. Yeah, like I would, I
would throw on.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
If I had a good game and throw on last
week's tape. And confidence is key because if you go
out there and you're not confident, like you're not going
to play well and we've seen it, you know, and
and so whatever it is to get your your confident edge, Like,
I think that's huge.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mentioned Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's a dude who definitely he's going to go into
the game no matter how his body's feeling, no matter
what's that who's up against.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Him, He's gonna be like, I'm gonna go take a
much money, right, that's his edge.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Like that, he brings the juice as as you said, yeah,
he need them all the big juice guy. Yeah, James Bailey,
sure no, he uh.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
He's a prime example of yeah, guys finding their edge
and then and then using that to not only get
himself going, but rally the guys around him, especially at
the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's pretty huge juice itself.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's it's contagious, man, absolutely, Like you go out that
run on Sunday night football against the Commands.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Head up against Bobby and three other guys.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, got a first down. What was that might have
been fourth down, I don't know, but like the.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Third long I think or fourth yeah right, and he yeah,
he uh wasn't much daylight, but he got it.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, you think that does to get the sideline a
little fire.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
And that you know that wasn't the first time he's
done something like that, So yeah, that you know, that's
just an example of one guy bringing his version of
the juice, you know, Tom Brady doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Let go and.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Uh yeah, No, it's pretty cool when you can see
it live happening, you know, on a field, because then
that's like, not only is my team getting juiced up,
now the whole fan base is getting juiced up.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
But that's that's what you love about football.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I would say, that's why football is the best thing
I'm playing one hundred percent. So the move to Washington,
you brought it up a little bit there. What was
the triggering point in why Washington?

Speaker 4 (17:21):
So?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Washington is where I was born and raised. I grew
up a Huskies fan.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I grew up a little bit of a Notre Dame
fan because of Pops, but I primarily backyard.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
We were an hour north of Seattle.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
So used to watch all the old you know, Jake Locker,
Keith Price, We watched you know, Brownie when I was
coming out, and Washington football was always you know, near
and dear to my heart. So I I when I
ended up getting hurt, From played went to the National Championship.
The next year, they brought Justin Fields in, so I
wasn't quite sure. Even if From wasn't get the job,

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I don't know if we're gonna go to a you know,
a dual threat style situation. Because Fields was a great runner,
as he still is, He's obviously doing this thing.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'm a typical pocket.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Spot, pocket style guy, pro style pocket drop back, play
action pass.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
That kind of thing. Running was never really my forte.
So that factored into it.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
The fact that From had you know, just took the
team of the National Championship as a true freshman. He
was coming back, wasn't afraid of competition. But at the
same time, I'm like, all right, realistically, there's one guy
that's gonna play next year.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I got me.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
He was a number one guy in sixteen, from number
one guy in seventeen, Fields, number number one guy in eighteen.
We had three number one dudes in the same room.
One of us is gonna play. What are my best
chances to stay in the field, And at the time,
they had the transfer rule, so I had to sit.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Out of here. So I was looking at my options.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I looked into UCLA, I looked into Oklahoma State with
Gundhy and then I you know, for me personally, it's like,
all right, do I want to go somewherehere. I'm gonna
have to restart this whole thing and go to a
new town, new city, completely new. You're gonna have a
new team regardless. But the upper hand in Washington was
already new home kind handful of guys on the squad.
I knew the university, I knew the coaching staff from recruiting,

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so for me, that was the most seamless transition. Also
with having to sit out a year because it was
Brownings last year, I knew he was going into a
senior year.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I knew he was gonna be.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
The starter that year, and if I had to sit out,
you know, there there was obviously guys behind it. I
was gonna have to compete either way, but it wasn't
Three of the number one dudes in the country, So
for me for my best chance of my playing future,
I figured Washington was the best spot and also the
most seamless transition, So there was a lot of factors. Also,
you know, I wanted to play at home at a
stadium that I grew up knowing also factored into that too,

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But it really came down to where my best chances
success were and how quickly I could get back on
the field.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I played against UDB at Presdent State awesome stadium as
the environment. My mom and dad they went sailgating, and.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
They didn't know things that's slept on. It's upper a
lot people don't know about it.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
People get it on the map. It is sick. It
is sick.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
And then you know, in their time there, you obviously
had enough success to have an opportunity to get to
play in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You got drafted in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Tell me about wrapping up you dub and your journey
starting in the league. And maybe this isn't hidden close
to home right now because I'm best friends with my
brothers and you know, my my my middle brother Max Leena.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right now, he's like I said, he's training in Florida.
He's gone through this, like, yeah, we got agents, we
had all that stuff, Like Michael Life, It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Were you coming out anticipating on being a Combine guy,
being Reese's bull guy, being an East West guy, like
getting drafted high?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Like yeah, my vibes. I So I ended up actually
leaving Washington early.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
When I transferred, I lost a certain amount of credit,
so I didn't finish up school. I actually just finished
up school this this past year.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Graduation.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I appreciate you. It was a huge mom's let me
be proud of that. But no, when I was coming out,
it was there's a lot of factors. I had gotten
first to fourth round grades from just about everybody I
talked to. All Right, you know, I had advised for
Stan versus leaving. I advised for leaving versus Stan, and

(21:02):
for me personally, just came down to me feeling like
I was ready and wanting to take the next step
and continue the challenge and get ready and go. You know,
I knew I was going to get invited to the Combine,
so that also factored into it. But being an early
graduate or early guy who leaves early, I wasn't able
to go to the East West Bowl or the the
Reese's Bull you had to be a graduate, that kind

(21:22):
of thing. So I didn't get an invite to that,
but met with several different agencies, found the one that
that made the most sense for me, got my grades,
got all that stuff, and felt like I was ready
to make the jump. So I did, and then, you know,
looking back on it now, it's it's a weird thing.
You know, I made the decision that I made, and
I'm very fortan and thankful that I did. You know,

(21:43):
I'm a firm believer and everything happens for a reason,
and I wouldn't go back and change any any things
that happened. But looking back now, it's like, had I
not gone, the next year would have been COVID four
game season, brand new head coach.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
It was a whole whole ordeal.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
So plussing in disguise on.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Me, yeah, almost right. So I ended up going for
worth round and doing that.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I went to the combine, did that whole thing, and
because I didn't go to an East West Bowl or
the Rece's Bowl, my combine was like a big interview,
big interview, meet Margaret. I've met with every team from
private to personal to whatever, you know, it was all.
It was a very eye opening event for me, which
was I thought went really well. So but yeah, obviously,

(22:21):
just like just like leaving high school early, little different story,
but leaving leaving college or to go to Claire was
a lot of factors and variables that that bled into
that decision.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
And and uh, you know, I went with my gut
at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah damn. I didn't even do the math on the
COVID thing.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It was really it was really kind of wild.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Like I you know, I continue to talk to my
dad about, you know today, you know, because you know,
you look at guys like bon Nicks and and uh,
the guy at Oregon right now. Actually I got dealing
with guys that have had you know, I don't know
how many starts in college, you know, four or five
year guys. Those guys typically are are green lights for
for coaches and and uh g M and stuff when

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they're drafting because they've had so many stars, they played
so much football that makes that transition easier. So I
had played last games, but looking back, I'm like, shoot,
if I had stayed and tried to, you know, get
another season on my belt, it would have been four
more games, so it would have been really where it
was and obviously would would have ever known that coming
out never at the time, but uh, looking back now,
I'm like, wow, I kind of yeah, kind of dodge

(23:23):
bullet or did I don't know, it could have been
a different story.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
So, I mean, there's a lot of guys I know
that didn't have the opportunity to even showcase their stuff
because they didn't have a proa. Because of that, all
the COVID Like yeah, so twenty nine teen, we finished,
we didn't have a protein, right, we didn't either, That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I did my protea down in Huntington Beach with Dallas
Goddard was my was my receiver.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Will you start throwing? You start making highlight videos on
Twitter and YouTube and stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
It was weird, very weird.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
But you know, I think a lot of people benefit
from that.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think there's some people that got a really unfortunate
situation happened that way in such a point I think,
you know, I love talking to guys that went to
the combine or you know, attempted to go to the league,
or went through the draft process, just that middle area
because you finish your senior year of college football, and
it's really the only don't get me wrong, there's the undisputed, right,

(24:16):
there's guys who you're like, this dude is gonna get
drafted in the first round. He's going to at least
get his rookie contract, because no team's gonna draft Drew
to the first round and not at least give him
a year a year at least some guys have come
close to not getting that second year.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's the politics. If you're if you're getting paid first
round and you're getting picked first round, you're gonna probably
have a minimum to one two.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Three years going to invest you, and they're gonna make
sure for sure it's a bad investment.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Before they move on for correct type of thing.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
But if you're not a guaranteed, undisputed first round guy,
it's like you don't know when you've played your last
game of football, right, And it's as somebody who grows
up playing the game, it's kind of nostalgic, kind of
makes you feel some type of way. But also when
you've played ball this long, it's like, this is the
business of the game and you learned it in college.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Just college is a job without undisputed a job.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Not I get paid for my job in college. But hey,
but hey kids, right now, so good for you guys.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Let's let's let's let's step into that. So we just
saw Carson Beck. Yep, Okay, he's going into what year
will it be?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
It's five or I think this fifth year? Yeah, I
think I want to say five. Maybe maybe there's six.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Don't quote us on that. It's late though we know
it's late.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
He was the guy at Georgia this year. They made
a run into the playoff. He got hurt, and you know, realistically,
like quarterbacks off the board.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm not a scout, but it doesn't seem like it's
the strongest quarterback class ever. Necessarily, he's probably top ten quarterbacks.
That's the fact he played at Georgia and had some stats. Yeah,
top ten quarterback. You're getting drafted as a top ten quarterback. Said,
I'm gonna go see my girlfriend in Miami.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Baby, right and make four million along the way. Yeah,
it's a completely different landscape. You know, if that definitely
would have been a factor in my decision making had
this ANIL deal been in place and whenever the last
twenty nineteen. But for Carson's sake, I think he's doing
the right thing. Like if you have an opportunity to
grant he's making a four mil right and doing another

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year at Miami and with his girlfriend, the whole thing that.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
All adds up.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
But in terms of like strip all that aside, I
think going and playing another season would be entirely beneficial
for him for sure. Of course, you know, why not
get all those snaps, Why not get that more experience,
get paid along the way, and then go see if
you can improve your draft stock. Not that it needs
to be improved by the landslide, but like, go gain
that experience. I know coaches and gms love that stuff,

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so I think he's doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I do too, And like when you see the graphics
that come out every once in a while from like
a bleacher Report or something like that, it's showing what
some of these college quarterbacks are making now, college players
in general making now compared to guys who get drafted,
and what their rookie contract.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Looks like on top of their sign is.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I mean, you can't be mad at people who are
playing collegeable as long as they can now because you're
either gonna do one of two things. You're gonna graduate,
and maybe you go to the league and you better
yourself and it works out. Ye were you gonna graduate,
You're not gonna make it the league, welcome to LinkedIn
dot com. And you're gonna have to find a job.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
You got an education, you got, you got a substantial
amount of money in your pocket where you can go,
you know, find what's best for you in the next
phase of life.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like it's I think it's I think it's like the
nil and the whole.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Ruling with how many ever many seasons you can play
and all that stuff is super beneficial for kids.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I always say, yeah, I would never change anything, but hey,
if things have been different, maybe circumstances, circumstances have been different, but.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Uh, well you might not have to sit out that
one year.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Right, I wouldn't have. I missed that by a year,
and I missed an il by two. So it's a weird.
It's a weird thing to look back on.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
But but yeah, that's just that's just what gone down
in my phase and right, and now we're seeing a
completely different phase where kids are you know, have the
ability to make these decisions with with a totally different
set of factors than what I had.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
So yeah, uh yeah to the Carson deal.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I think he's I think he's doing the right thing
and I need some people might not, but but for
me personally, if I was in historyes, I'd probably be
doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
It's four million dollars. Yeah, there's four I mean, I'm
just telling you, like in the corporate America in today's
day and age, dude, if you could make if you
can make one hundred grand to play college football, right.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's hard to make one hundred grand. Find a job
that's making one hundred grand, and you just kind of do.
You're doing your fall camp, You're doing your your your
window workouts, you're doing Summer Bowl, You're doing all this stuff,
and you're already a vet at it, Like you know
what's coming day seven of fall camp. You're gonna start
feeling some type of way, like meetings are going to
get a little all that stuff's gonna go down. You

(28:51):
already are vetted to where it's like I could go
through another one of those for one hundred grand. I'd
go through a fall camp today.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:58):
I mean it's basically a full time job, like you're saying,
and you're in in my case. In your case, we
weren't getting paid. But now, yeah, throw some money on
my in my account, like I will do that for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Dude, SCULLI check.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I think it's also like Pea Squad compared to being
it like being an SEC wide receiver compared to Peace
Squad in the league. Right now, I don't know what
the numbers end up being, but they got to be
pretty close. I would imagine.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I would imagine, Yeah, what's Peace squad right now? I can't.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't have any exact number. I know it's it's
a it's very different than obviously active roster.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Of course, I think it's I wanst say, like seven
grand a week.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, I think you're I think it's about seven eight,
seven or eight.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, let's do easy masters. Let's call it. It's called
it ten grand a week, yea high, eighteen weeks grand, yep.
There's a couple other stuff in. Let's say two hundred g's.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's high end, probably right, that's very high end for
for Pea Squad.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I would say two hundred g's is probably what.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's what kids are, That's what three stars are signing
for these days.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's what I'm saying, you know. So it's like and
you're guaranteed that spot, damn hear.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, the landscape is completely different.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's not like a GM is going to necessarily just
cut you the next day. You're gonna get clean and
have to move from.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Miami to Seattle overnight.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I am curious to see, though, how how regulations are
going to change with all this, because now you see
guys transferring left and right.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I know they're getting money, and you know, but there's.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Got to be some way to bring it all in,
bring it all in, manage it. Hey, we're paying the
X amount of money, you got to stay here for.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
X contract years.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Like it's a weird it's a weird thing. And I
feel like right now guys have the ability to take
advantage of some of that. Oh my god, if you
if you should, then you absolutely If you can, then
you absolutely should. But But yeah, to your point, like
if you're if you're if you're unsure of what your
draft sock is.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Going to be and you're not, you know, and you
need another year. Yeah, absolutely do it.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna be making minimum two hundred, like
we're talking about, it's more than you're gonna be making
on Peace Squad.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Feels like it's more guaranteed compared to you know, Peace Squad,
right because.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
If we're on Peace Squad, your contract can be dissolved
any any day of the week, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
And the most you know, again not talked about enough
thing in sports is when you're the guy, when you're
the new when you're the five star recruit, the shiny
thing on the market that everybody wants to curb. Smart's
bringing you into his office and you're acting like you're
about to be the next mayor of Flavor Town all
of a sudden, right, But it's.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Great, right, Yeah. And then you're going through springball and
they're bringing recruits on.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
You're like a second yo.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
You're saying the same stuff to me and you're saying
to this guy and I'm still not getting, you know,
the fruits of my loombs necessarily off this stuff. And
I remember being like, I hosted guys for recruiting visits,
right right, And I remember thinking like this is so fun.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm trying to get a guy who's they want to
take my spot to come here.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But that's my job to do, right.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, Now, I never would cause a scene or anything
like that, make it where he didn't want to come. Never,
because you're right, team first guys, Team first guys, locker
room guys.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I'm a huge locker. But at the end of the day,
it is wild.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
It is wild.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
The de recruitment part of college, which we kind of
skipped over, Like obviously recruitment is what it is like
you you come in like you have the biggest, biggest,
swinging Johnston out there, and then the minute you go
into your first workout, so you're going to spring, well,
you got three or four quarterbacks lined up and wait, wait,
what are we doing? Like I thought, this is no,
Like yeah, it's it's a constant, constant thing where they're

(32:29):
trying to bring in the biggest and the baddest to
replace you. And honestly, I think it's it's it's a
good thing because that's the same thing that happens in
the league. You know, like we're talking to her a
Joe Burrow or number one overall guy, like someone's bound
to come in and fight for that spot that you have.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So Aaron Rodgers feels when they when they right Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
And you're like, yeah, we're draft quarterback early.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
It's it's nuts. That's just the whole, the whole landscape
of sports. But you know, that's why sports are so great.
They teach you a lot about life and you're never safe, No,
you're never safe, fighting for your spot, fighting scratch and
claw on all of it. So, yeah, the de recruitment
part of college was was it was a whole nother,
whole other side of the coin that we.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Didn't even get into.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
But tell me about what's de recruiting mean, how would
you define that?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I would say it's the opposite of being recruited. And
once you you know, obviously, like you said, you're getting
recruited there. You know they're they're they're highlighting all the
best parts about the university, their school, their program, this,
that and the other, uh, making promises and then you
get there, you get in the weight room, you meet
the weight room coach, you meet the d line coach.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
If you don't even know, you're going to become best
friends on the straight coach right right, that's.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
When you're guy that's barking at you, you know, pulling
off the mat, and.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So once you you know, once
once you sign the dotted line, it's a different ballgame.
I think that's that's the that's the thing that if
I could eduate educate any high school recruits going into college, Like,
regardless of how much money you're making or what you're doing,
the goal is always going to be to win a
national championship, and they're going to do whatever they have
to do to make that happen. Yeah, and you know,

(34:02):
along the way, you might get your feelings hurt, you
might you might things changed, and it's because it has,
Like you know, it's it's not about you anymore. It's
about the team and how they can get the best
out of you to contribute to the team and and
and reach the end goal. So the de recruitment process
I was completely unaware of until I stepped foot on
on campus at Georgia and then as sweet as it was,

(34:24):
was was out to be.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
But you know, at the end of the day, it
makes you.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
It makes you a better person, it makes you a
harder worker, and uh, if you don't buy in, you
know you're gonna get kicked out, so.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I I personally, I mean, you're talking to a walk
on scrub and to earn this way. At the last
I loved when we brought in like three stars stars
because the first thing, like you said you do is
either they came in early and we're doing mat drills,
which I'm ready to eat right, or they come in
summer ball and we just been conditioning for six months
and as you were doing this patty Cake high school,

(34:56):
can you ready? Oh you got gash the ladder today,
Like let's go in. Yeah, yeah, you're doing these you're
doing it.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
And we didn't lift weights like this.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It was full bench, squad lift, power clean like you
got bands, you got tendo speeds, you got iPads up and.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
You're like, damn, this is you're in it. And yeah,
guys fold, guys fold.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I've witnessed guys quit like in real life, multiple multiple
time during workouts.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yeah, it's a mentality like that's and that's the mentality
you have to. I mean, you know it's ben don't break,
but it's also like that mindset, especially in the SEC.
I'm sure you had the same thing. It's it's it's
it's all around, like it's it's almost a militaristic's mindset
where it's just like we're gonna push you to the
point to where you want to break, and you have
to figure out how to push past that. Right at

(35:45):
the end of the day, it comes down to the
you know, a two score game in the fourth quarter,
a one score game in the fourth quarter, what are
you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You're gonna fold? Are you gonna you know, overcome it?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
So that's that's all things that that sports, any sport really,
I mean, football is forefront and my mind because I
don't know any other sport necessarily that that doesn't quite
like football does. But uh, but no, it's taught me
a lot. It's taught me a lot about being a
man and fighting adversity and finding myself in moments where of.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Course you seem like it's impossible, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
So I think again, that's why I would always encourage
my kids to play football, not even because I want
them to have the benefit of, you know, the how
awesome it is to go play big boys Saturday college football,
but like what it teaches you, the the principles you
learn in the sport, and it's and we're talking like college.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Even in high school, you go through those yea, if
you're in a good program, that's halfway. There's probably somebody
there of influence that's going to push you to go
past that level that you didn't think you once. Can
you do things?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You're like, hell, there's I probably couldn't go through a
high school conditioning test right now, right, kill it, like
I did, you know, ten years ago, eight years ago,
whatever it was, right, but that mental stuff. And I
think as an adult, as somebody who's no longer playing
the game, like adversity strikes and some people get rattled
really easily now and it's like, all right, I'm gonna
be cool, calm and collective, let's assess it. I got

(37:06):
really into reading like Jocko books and stuff like that,
and you just it is a seal mentality that really
football has become and the closest thing.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
To war outside war probably is football.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Really, Yeah, football, rugby one of the other contact sports. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Football definitely has a way of shaping your mindset. And
football alone and everything that involves into football, whether it's
the weight room and the spinachillia that we're talking about,
even just the building, the habits of film study and
getting to know your opponent. It translates to so much
more outside of football. And that's another cool side of

(37:45):
it that I'm you know, very very fortunate and thankful
that I have been in it for so long is
because these these skills that I've built and sharpened over
the last you know, twenty years of my life are
going to directly translate to the next phase. So yeah, yeah,
there's a lot that can be said. We can go
on and on about the mental side, the physical side,
all of it. But it's a pretty damn cool sport.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
And oh it's the best. Yeah, it's the best, pretty
sable good, It's got the juice. What about the business
side of it? Experienced that in the league a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I know that in college you had we talked about
your portal story and how it worked out and all that.
You get to what you get drafted the fourth round,
you don't know what expectations are. Necessarily, I found our
guys on here that I've been cut and re signed
twenty times, right in eight years?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Right, tell me through that learning. Welcome to the NFL.
On the business side moment.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, the learning.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
So I came in in twenty twenty, and I got
drafted in the fourth round, so I never had the
benefit of I don't even want to call it a
benefit being a first round guy, first overall guy. You know,
in the first round you're pretty much expected to go
in and play and help turn that franchise around because
obviously the high round picks go to the teams that
have struggled in the past season. So I wouldn't say

(38:56):
it's a benefit. You know, you still got to go
in and put in it. You're getting some guys die
in that in that you have more zeros in your
bank account. But at the same time you have to
go in and figure it out fast, you know. So
I was the fourth rounder I got drafted to and
d they signed Philip that year, so I was Philip
and Jacoby's backup in twenty twenty. Uh, my my rookie year,

(39:18):
I was a sponge. Like that's that's what I always say.
It's Uh, it was a big year for me to
go in and learn, learn the system, learn how the
operation was, like, learn the business beside it, like behind it.
Like we mentioned, I mean, the biggest thing and the
biggest eye opening thing in the NFL was guys coming
in and going left and right. I called him the
grim raper, the guy that goes around the locker.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
M heay coach wants to see you.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Next thing, you know, the clock lockers cleared out, he's gone.
So the NFL was it was a fight to keep
your spot. Injuries happened, guys going ire bring you know,
they're bringing in guys to.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Work out every Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Like it's there's a lot going on behind the scenes
that people don't know about. And uh, you know, you're
if you're a below i'd say, second round guy, Like, your.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Position is never entirely safe.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
So that was like the business side of the NFL
that I had heard about, but I would like, until
you're in it, it's hard to like kind of conceptualize it,
so you know. And I came in in twenty twenty two,
so it was COVID. Like my first set of you know,
springball or whatever you want to call it was virtual.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
It was on zoom.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I was in an apartment in Newport calling out plays
and checks at the line of scrimmage virtually with the
on a zoom call the entire offense. So and we
went from there, flew to Indian and went run into
camp and it was just this whirlwind of of a year.
Half the games had fans, half the games didn't.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
And that's why I got my first taste of you know,
we got there for our first walk through and it
was early August or whenever it was in twenty twenty when.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
COVID allowed guys to come to the facilities. First walked through.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
There was three guys cut afterwards, three undrafted free agents.
Didn't even they had one walk through to show their
skill gone, cause we had to make cuts. Like it's
it's it's a business driven league, and you know, the
the roster count and the salary cap and all that stuff.
But yeah, we had a guy that I played that
I played with, at U dub who got undrafted, signed

(41:13):
to the indie and and there for three days and
out before we even touch the grass. It's it's a
nasty that's the nasty side of the league that that
people don't always get to see. To see Adam schefferd
tweeting about so and so is gone and and you
kind of move on. But when you're when you're actually
the person getting cut or or released or signed or claimed,

(41:34):
there's a lot of a lot of emotion behind it.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
So oh my gosh, yeah, I know it is uh,
it's dangerous, man, but that's that's the nature of the beast.
I guessed at this point. And then what has led
you to where you are now?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I mean, I obviously my whole football career. You know,
I've I've been up down all around. I started an indie,
did a year and a half there, got got released
and claimed by Seattle, did a year and a half there,
released Carolina San Francisco, back to Carolina, New York, Stanton
Green Bay. So I've been kind of all around and
and uh been around some pretty damn cool people from

(42:13):
coaching staffs to to uh, you know, player development guys
to two teammates. You know, kind of been I've been
in a lot of unique rooms with a lot of
unique uh characters. You know, I've been in a in
a room with five guys in Carolina with with Baker
and Sam and PJ and Corral and myself. And you know,
I got the benefit of sitting behind Philip Rivers my

(42:35):
rookie year, uh I played, played behind Russell Wilson and
Gino Smith in Seattle. You know, got to see the
whole the rise of brock Purty in San Francisco. Uh,
I got to get to know Jordan a little bit
up in Green Bay, and uh, you know, I was
there for the Tommy DeVito experience in in in New York.
So got a lot of cool stories to tell, got
a lot of great friendships and and uh, you know, future,

(43:02):
whether it be business developments or just future you know,
podcast episodes, podcast episodes, you name it. Yeah, So I've
got a lot of a lot of connections I've made
and a lot of you know, good time spent together.
That'll that'll help me with whatever I do decide to
do next. You know, I'm doing some media stuff now
I'm doing I'm you know, working on climbing the corporate

(43:22):
ladder and doing some corporate stuff in twenty five and
all this experience, like we talked about in the weight
room and and you know, being a professional and in
the study behind it, I think and in the mindset overall,
we'll transfer directly towards the next phase.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
But yeah, I am nothing but but thankful. Looking back.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Obviously there was there was things that happened that were
out of my control, and I made the most of
what the opportunities that I was presented with, and and
the ball's gonna roll.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
All the ball's gonna roll. So we're on and upward
for twenty five.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
What about in your experience with the guy you just
made all some great names with some some rooms you
were in, some QB rooms in who's a guy who's
just different that you've being a part of on the team, there's.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
A lot of them. Well, we mentioned Baker.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Baker is one of the more unique dudes I've ever
been around in terms of just being a hell of
a locker room guy, always bringing the juice. Whether it's
a Tuesday walk through or a you know, a game
on Sunday, that guy is going to have a fire,
you know, lit inside of him that's going to inspire
the whole team and get the guys going.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Philip Rivers obviously he was.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
He was seventeen when I got in my first year
seasoned season Vet one of the best motivators and storytellers
I've ever been around.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
He could get it.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
He could get a whole room to rally behind him
in about five minutes telling it one of his famous
Phillips stories. And I learned a lot from Russ. You know,
I grew up a Seahawks fan.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
I went over to Seattle in twenty one and got
to sit in the in the room with Russ for
for a season, and then you know Geno Smith likewise,
you know, he's one of the guys that similar to me,
he was a little different. He started in New York
for a while, and he went to LA and backed
up Philip, and then he found his role in Seattle
when Russell got hurt, and then the trade happened, and
now he's off and running. So I've been a lot,

(45:04):
been around a lot of different unique stories and personalities
and and been very fortunate to do so. So you
know Donald in Carolina as well. You know, we had
written him off for a long time, and so you
get to see him in practice.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
You know, and and and in the games. Uh. I
knew he had it like I was. You know, it's
just it's just like not everybody gets to see that.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
You know, he's a he's a baller, and obviously this
year he's having a hell of a year and it's showing.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
But he's always had that in him. You know.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I don't know what the exact situation was in New
York and in Carolina was there for a bit, But
I can tell you one thing. I'm pretty sure it
wasn't the same as the situation they got going on
in Minnesota. A lot of them, a lot of that, Yeah,
a lot of that goes to show. It's like the
same thing with Baker in Carolina. You know, that wasn't
our best season, but look at what Baker's done in Tampa.
You know, it's it's right time, right place, good coaching staff,

(45:55):
and and that there's got to be some chemistry.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
So super stoked for those guys.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
But there's but there's countless dudes that go on and
on and and the friendship, you know, the meeting time,
the time spent together. You know, Uh, very fortunate to
be in the in the position I am.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Well, I think we're gonna wrap this one up. We'll
get kJ up here in a sec. But ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Jacob Easton also noticed skinny kny QB guinny QB follow
him on the.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Gramd look for his next ventures. Stay fired up, stay
tuned for the next step. See you next week.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
See you guys,