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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll have to get to here.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I want to get to some of this sound from
earlier today in Rapport was on with the guys on
KAWI Sports. Uh talked a little bit about one of
the questions that we got on the text line earlier
about if they will start reviewing hits on the quarterback penalties.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I don't think the league will be reviewing hits and
judgment calls, but I do think easily provable things more
so will be subject to you know, replay assist where
they sort of replay it real quickly and just fix
it real quickly. Like, for instance, you know, if you
grasp a face mask or not, that's an easily that's
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something you can easily see on the replay. Take two
seconds look at it. Okay, did grasp that? That's foul?
Otherwise No, you know, are you gonna start Are we
gonna start legislating whether or not a player grazed a
helmet with his hairline or not. I mean, that's that's
sort of next level. And I think that's you know,
more of a question as far as like how far
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does the league want to go in doing review right,
because like the Patrick Mahomes sort of like thriding two
players converging hitting him in the head. I don't know
that that one would be looked at and overturned anywhere
on any level. I think it's sort of is what
it is. You hit a quarterback in the head, that's
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sort of what you get. I think it'll be better,
but I'm not sure it'll be as drastic as some
people think or want.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
To me. That's the thing, like everybody talking about that hit,
the double dead thing hit, you know on Mahomes, the
helmets made contact. There's no way you're getting that overturned
when that gets called on the field. And I understand
there's you know, bang bang plays all that kind of stuff,
but there's no way you're getting that overturned. It's always
going to be called for anybody, not just Pat Mahomes,
So we don't have to make up, you know, narratives
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on that. Now you want to say some of the
other stuff was egregious, I'm here for it. You want
to say some of the other calls were or horrible,
I'm here to listen to it. I do believe the
Chiefs were the beneficiaries of a poorly officiated game, which
I tweeted out at the time effect in the middle
of it. But at the end of the day, it's
always funny how the things I think people harp on
the most to the ones I'm like, well that you
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know actually by rule, And keep in mind, most of
these officials are lawyers by day, right. These are people
that go through they have to memorize every rule down
to the letter, and so they're not going to out
argue these people who are on the field calling it. Now,
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if you've got clear video evidence of something else that's different.
But in most of these cases, even when you have
fan outrage and it's widespread, most of the time it's
the fans that are wrong, and these officials mostly get
it right. Now, in the era of sports betting, mostly
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getting it right isn't good enough right, And that's sort
of that's the sticking point. So, you know, I don't
want to say to bash the officials because everybody does that,
and it's lame and it's a loser talking.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What do you make of the all the Texans players
coming out after the game and kind of saying, hey,
you know what it is when you play the Chiefs,
kind of putting the blame on the officials that they were,
you know, helping out the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The best line on that ever came from the movie
The Rock that it's Sean Connery and and he's you know,
I'm gonna get it rid of the bleeping part here,
but please do the please do the impression.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh do the voice. Yes, you're bashed.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Losers, whine about their bashed winners, go home and bleep
the prom queen. Yeah. So it's uh, that's my terrible
Sean Connor impression. And that's sort of the thing, you know,
you know, officiating. Losers whine about officiating. Winners are on
to the next round. And and even if they make
bad calls, don't play the game in a manner where
that call can't affect it, you know. And and I
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I hate to keep harping on that because I know
everybody wants to want you know, it's the Chiefs and
everybody wants to find if you want to if you
want to be that person, fine, I'm not gonna be
the person who engages that because because I don't, it
gets it's so it's.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Loser talk, man, it's so, it's it's what losers do.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I don't ever want to be that. I don't
want this fan base to be that. I never want
the dever Broncos to be the team whining about officiating. Right,
we expect to go in and win, and when we don't,
you know what, we'll get them next time.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like I want to be ice.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Cold stone, cold killer fan base where we were never
crying about stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ever, you know where we we.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were sitting here chess puffed out, chin held high. Yeah,
you needed a last second field goal to beat block
to beat us, an absolute miracle block to beat us.
I want to That's all I want to be is
a fan, and maybe not everybody agrees with me. I'm
not going to tell you how to fan or not fan,
but I'm just saying I'm I'm at the point in
my life where I'm too dignified to sit there and
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get on social media and whine about officiating. You know,
you can find calls in every game that go both ways.
I Am just never going to be the guy crying
about officiating.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Past six sixty nine Zeros text line.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Rap did have some other thoughts talking about the legacy
legacies of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, which and I
do want to get to that sounds a second. I
also have some gripes with the way we have to
hyper contextualize immediately this kind of stuff. Lamar Jackson's in
his sixth year, Peyton Madding didn't win a Super Bowl
tim a year nine, so you know, I hate the
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way that we can textualize this stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
This time, here's what Rap had to say.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We'll start with Lamar Jackson. He did everything he needed
to do. I mean, it was a perfect no. He
had an interception, he had a fumble that was kind
of mind numbing. There was a little bit of a
sloppy game, you know. He put the ball in the
hand of his best player to tie the game with
the minute thirty to go, like the player dropped it.
So for Lamar, I don't I don't know that it's much.
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I think it's just he hasn't hasn't gotten there yet.
As someone who really likes and respects Lamar, I kind
of hope he does, you know, I really do, but
obviously has not gotten there yet. And you know, for
Josh Allen, it's great. It's a really good game. He
played well, his team played well, got to beat Mahomes,
you know. So I don't know that this was sort
of a defining game for either, but it sets up
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defining situations for both. I mean, if Lamar Jackson comes
back next year and does it, that'll be monumental. I
think for Josh Allen, you know, he's he's got to
take down the champs to get kind of what he
needs and where he wants to go. And he's got
to take down the champs. And that's still elaits this week.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What the thing about that that bothers me is what
about that game? Does that change in your opinion on
either player? Are we suddenly going to pretend that Josh Allen,
if you were to have lost, or Lamar Jackson are
not good quarterbacks? Because that takes a lot of pretending
to do it, takes a lot of just making crap
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up to pretend that they're not good at football. What
is the conversation, Hall of Fame. These guys' careers are
half over. Yeah, like you said, halfway into a six
year yeah, which we're talking about guys that are that
are halfway Lamar and Josh Allen keep me in the
league same year.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Josh Allen has completely turned around the Buffalo Bills franchise.
They're playing in meaningful games in the playoffs again.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They're playing in the playoffs again, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
How far they've come from the days of Trent Edwards,
Macan Peterman. You're with Peter Man. I wasn't gonna I
wasn't gonna invoke Rye Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I wouldn't gonna do it, did you see popping up
by the way, a little.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Trivia, There are the two quarterbacks in their careers who
have received the most roughing the passer penalties. Well, I'm
gonna guess one of them is Ryan Fitzpatrimber.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Two is Ryan Fitzpatrick, believe it or not, number one
roughing the pastor is it a current player.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
No, it's Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh wow, I would have never guessed him that was
number one, but number two. And that's that's courtesy of
our good buddy Ryan Michael Ryan Fitzpatrick, which astounds me.
That is a surprising for all the people talking about
quarterbacks protected and by the flags and all that kind
of stuff. Reality is, if you go back and look
at the per snap drop backs on Patty Mahomes and
all that kind of stuff, he.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Really doesn't get that many.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's not any more any less than than any other quarterback.
You know, It's not appreciably more or less. It's just
something to keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I just don't want us to be those losers that
are always crying stuff. And I hate it. I hate
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know. I see those fan bases all the time.
They're always whining about something, and I hate it.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well, one of my fan bases, Cincinnati Bengals, just whining
about oh, the Chiefs let him in.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Or whatever it was such.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, think about it from a Broncos fans perspective.
You watch the Bengals do that. Everybody watched them do that.
Everybody was called the Bengals fan based losers for doing that.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I agree, don't don't put that evil on me, Ricky,
Bobby and I mean, it's not like they blew out
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
When they played, they had an epic battle that went overtime.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They had a close battle.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
If Cincinnati wanted to in the playoffs, win one more game,
beat the Patriots to start the season. Football is a.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Game of accumulation.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Accumulation of yards, accumulation of points, accumulation of.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Wins, accumulate more wins period.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I just I hate.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I hate that is officiating perfect. Absolutely not. Do superstars
in this league get calls that they should. Absolutely that.
I am never I mean, I'll point out a bad call,
but I'm never gonna sit there and belabor the point
and cry, well, he got to the rough of the
pastor's the only reason they win.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
They'll do that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Appreciate greatness even if it's on the opposing sideline, because
then it feels that much sweeter when you beat it, yeah, man, And.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If if the Chiefs do go on to three pet
something we've never seen ever in the history of the NFL,
I'm not denigrating them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm congratulating them on their victory.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm saying, we're coming for you next year.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Exactly, and how cool will it be to knock them
off the pedestal even more after that?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If they do do something that's never been done before. Yeah,
I'm not counting the I'm not counting the running up
on their backups.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Game, but in the game in their house, it took a.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Last second miracle field goal block, right, So you got
to go into next year with the anticipation that you
can that you can compete with and ostensionately beat Kansas City.
I don't care if they win the Super Bowl or not. Personally,
I'm like, let them win the super Bowl, then I'm
gonna come knock you off that pedestal and get my own.
I don't just want to be the best, I want
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to beat the best. Maybe I'm wired different. I don't know,
because that's saw a lot of you know, I see
Twitter and it's like it's a totally different attitude on that,
and people get mad at me for that that sort
of attitude. I don't know, I don't know why, but
that's that's the competitor in me. I want no man,
I don't want gimmes. I don't want to beat. I
don't want to jump on the video that's the thing. Okay,
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So when you're playing the video game, we're playing the
NC double a video game, right and you get the
FCS School or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Dude, I bounce that for somebody good. I don't need
a tune up game.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Give me the best.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I want to play the best. I want to beat
the best always.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And that's one thing I do really respect about Sean
Payton is he wants to be in those games and
he thinks he's gonna win them. And that's something that
you want in your head.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Coach. I mean, I get that I hated him. I
don't want to give him the bulletin BOARDETI hated the
way he gives him the free gasoline. But I it's
it's a double edged sword because I hate the way
he gives people free gasoline. I hate it, but I
love the way that he always frames things through the
lens of we're going to be excellent, go to be
the best.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
We're at the level of competition of the best. We're
not lesser than. So it's a double edged sword for
me because I like the way that Sean Payton does that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He's talking, he's talking up and framing the franchise always
through the lens of Yeah, there are equal you know.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I just there's gotta be a better way to do it,
to give it a guy like Andy Reid free gasoline
all offseason, because that clip is absolutely one thousand percent
going to be on the loop all week next.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Year when we play the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, and I didn't know. I didn't really understand.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And maybe you know, Nick's obviously a former player and
has been in more locker rooms than me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But why wouldn't you use that if you're handing absolutely,
do you put that audio before every presentation, every film
study all week? That audio is running when you turn
the lights, that audio is before you have everything. If
you got TVs in the locker room, like a lot
of the locker rooms down I have the television right
there about the locker form, Boy, that clip is on.
You control what goes on those close circuit TVs.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Put it on loop.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, I mean you think, think the Eagles players, they
didn't know that that Jared Verse was trashing their fan base.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They had that on everything.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
They give it out T shirts at the end of
Friday practice to get the quote on there. You use
every edge that you can't. Never give your opponent free gasoline,
make them pay for it. And so that's what they're
you know, I mean, you know, people can say whatever
they want about me, and lord knows they do. There's
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enough free you know, there's enough fake stories on the
Internet to fill several volumes. I think my favorite is
like over there on Reddit due there are there are
whole people cleaning whole encounters with.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Me that never happened.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
People do have met I met here, you did this, buddy,
we never met In that note, I can promise you
that never happened.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I tell Ryan Edwards thats all the time. Screw the haters.
If you know you're you're in their head. If they're
making up stories, they're talking trash on Well, it used.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To really bother me.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You're free. Well yeah, but I mean it used to
really bother me, Like I'm not somebody's wired for fame
or infamy or.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know that kind of stuff. And not that I'm famous.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm not, but I'm not somebody's wired for it, because
I think it bothered me for a long time, like
what what do they hate me?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What did I ever do? And now I'm at the
I'm at that point right there.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I'm like, you know, what if if you if if
your life is so terrible that you got to make
stuff up about somebody else, And then I pity you.
I pity the fool I do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I pity all the fools. I just think red.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's hilarious though, because you've got people out here claiming
just the wildest stuff. Some guy making up a story
about running into me at a grocery store and uh,
this was like Ryan and Me and BK were all
in Indianapolis when this alleged event was supposed to have occurred.
Like I was at the Combine, How did you run
into me? And at the grocery store?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Speaking of are you going you covering the Combine and
the Senior Bold?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, I think so. Sea Bulls coming up here too,
because like next week, I gotta bounce out of here
and go to Mobile and then yeah, Combine will be
in February. Definitely beat that. I think Ryan and I
are both going working on something for that right now.
I don't have all the logistics laid out just yet.
But you know we love that because we you know,
we get the interview with George Payton. He always drops
a few good nuggets for us.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know we're doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I love those interviews. Man. Yeah, I don't think
Sean Payton's doing the interview with us. But uh, I
would guess if there is about a.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Zero maybe the last number you're looking for it, I
was gonna give it like percent, but I don't even
think it's that high.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, as opposed to the Nate Nate Hackett who came
like that, dude, I'll never forget the one thing about
Nate Haggett. I was out at the late night establishment
with that gentleman until what had it was three thirty
in the morning. We were throwing down drinks were had.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I was out. It was was in Indy. We were
at the we were prime steakhouse, like three third in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I leave before he leaves. I'm daffing up risk Gangarello
on the way out. Oh coach, what's up. I get
back to our.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Place to get a couple hours sleep because we got
like an eight a seven thirty eight am turnaround here
we got to be up for podium and our interviews
with George Payton, Nate Hackett bro I'm I'm I'm knocking
back a red bull.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Dying. Four hours later, here comes Nate.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Hackett walking in fresh as a daisy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, you guys ready to go.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It'll just I'm I was like, wow, this guy, and
then that season happened, ruining my perfectly good Nate dog
and war room g memes for him and George Payden,
Broncos Country, Nad's got a six pack.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We come back. Let's get to the NFL six pack.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's time for the NFL six pad. I'm gonna train
a lot of beer, insight, inside information you can't find
anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, the top six NFL headline was, well, we.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Talked a little bit earlier about Cooper Cup and you're
thinking that he has lost a step. Cooper Cup said
he plans to keep playing, but doesn't know if it
will be with the Rams. He said, who knows what's
going to happen. That's out of my control, and we
will see what it's going to be. I don't have
any clarity on what that's going to look like or
anything like that. So yeah, obviously would love to be
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in LA, but I don't know what that's going to
look like. Question for you, do you think Cooper Cup
ends up back in LA And if not, would you
want to see the Broncos add him to their receiver room.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do not believe he'll be back in LA.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't want the Broncos to add him here at
the cost it would take to add him.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I certainly don't want them to trade anything.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And in free agency he's going to make an end
ob seeing amount of money. So you know, I really
don't all the respect to Cooper Cup. I think was
a great player and he's still a good player. Clearly
lost a step and you can see that. I mean
you could see that in the game where he's just
not able to get vertical the same way that he
used to just create separation the same way used to
h He's a smarter guy than he used to be
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and create separation that way, but the athleticism has taken
a step and the injuries have taken their toll over
the years. He's twenty twenty five season, you're talking about
a cap hit of twenty nine point seven eight million dollars.
That is ten point eight three percent of cap. That
is absolutely ludicrous. No, you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He's sertaly.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Don't trade for that contract for a thirty two year
old wide receiver. So uh no, I would be out
on that two.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
NFL won't instruct officials to throw flags for pulling runner
runners on Sundays Gravens Bills game. They didn't throw a
flag on Buffalo guard Osiris Torrents for pulling running back
James Cook into the end zone, and the next Sunday
they won't be throwing any flags if that happens.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Again, do you agree with this rule and could we
see it changed in an off season decision. I don't
like the idea of pulling people or pushing people, but
I mean it's part of the gay, especially with the
toast push and all that kind of stuff. That's the
part of the way that things are. My concern is
player safety. Honestly, if you're dragging or shoving somebody, they're
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off balance and creates more situations where you can mess
up knees.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And ankles and legs.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I don't have a problem with pulling or pushing people
on its on the surface, I have a problem with
it from the safety perspective and that it endangers the
legs of players and the last thing you want is
a catastrophic injury from somebody pulling or pushing somebody that
kind of thing. I think the Player Safety comp Committee
needs to look at it. The Competition Committee needs to
look at it and see what they want to do.
As far as the rest of the postseason goes, you
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have to adjudicate it the same way. So if it
happens the rest of this postseason, then I, you know,
I don't see a problem with not calling a flag. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
And if the NFL is supposedly all about player safety,
now do you think this would be a role change
that them or the players union would like to see
him forced.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, and we'll see who steps forward with what on it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But as it sits right now, that's not It's not
something you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Can change mid stream.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Three.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Well, as we talked about earlier, Ben Johnson hired as
the next head coach of the Chicago Bears. The initial
number making the rounds for his contract is thirteen million
dollars a year, So it's what's more than that where's
that number from? Sean Payton's making what right now?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's got to be somewhere around and there. Right, The
number that I was given was fifteen, Okay, so I
know it's more than thirteen. Like there are some incentives
and everything else. So depending on how you want to
count that by. The number I was given was fifteen.
I know it's more than thirteen. So there's that the
base on that is more than thirteen.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Where's that number coming from?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
This is from Pro Football Top?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Okay, they said they sat they're over under at fourteen
and a half million, but they're hearing thirteen million.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, with incentives, it's over fourteen and a half. At
fourteen I think is the base, and then with the
incentives it pushes it to fifteen or over. What does
Dan Quinn make in Washington?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh, I'd have to go back and look, it's slightly
less than that. I think he's at twelve. I would
have to go back and look. I don't know off
the top my head.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Would that be something that a team would restructure after
a year like they're having and Washington teams cannot restructure
contracts for coaches. They're fully guaranteed Now, there might be
incentives in there, you might give a bonus and extension
those kinds of things, but you cannot change the terms
of a contract with a head coach. They are fully
guaranteed and they're outside the Styry count poor well.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Sticking with the Bears, they are heavily pursuing Darren Rizzy
for their special teams coordinator job. Of course, we know
the Broncos fired their special teams coordinator last week and
he's been linked to the Broncos because of his ties
with Sean Payton. Where do you think Darren Rizzy ultimately
ends up and if the Broncos don't get them here,
who do you think is the favorite to become the
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next Broncos special teams coordinator.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I believe we'll go to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I also believe Dennis Allen will go to Chicago as
the defensive coordinator, both things I talked about a few
weeks ago as probably being on Ben Johnson's staff. We'll see,
We'll see how that goes, unless they fumble that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's where those two are going.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I believe that Darren Rizzy would choose Chicago over Denver. Really, yes,
do I and Darrenrizzy and Ben Johnson go way back.
They were at Miami. They were with Miami together at
the Mighty Dolphins, like a decade and a half ago
or whatever. They've been They've been friends for a long time.
I don't uh, I don't know, because there were a
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lot of people that were surprised at the Ben Kuwika
following firing, count me as one of them.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They understood the the deal with west Off and it
was a dual deal.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They understood all that, but there were a lot of
people that were around the league that were very surprised
by that. And the question then becomes, what's the level
of expectation on this job? If I've got a Pro
Bowl returner and a guy who's making almost every kicks,
I've got an all Pro kick returner and pot return
can be a part return and Marvin Mims and you know,
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the one real m glaring error you had all year
was you know, with that guard reinforcement in the guard
position on field goals and it got the better of
you in Kansas City game, Like, what what is our
level of expectation at that point?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
There are people who I think would normally take a
job like that, that are going to look at the
Denver job and say, what in the world you just
fired a guy who exceeded expectation?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What what do you what do you want to be?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, and what you said last week was that he's
very well respected around the NFL, and yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Know Ben has had a large career. I like the career.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's been a special teams coordinator before for Minnesota, for Atlanta,
you know. And I would not be surprised to see
if Ben Quicka wound up on dan Quin's staff. By
the way, Ben prior to that was a helicopter pilot
when I knew him in Iraq in two thousand and four,
so when we were both deployed together. So I try
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to keep my feeling, my personal feelings on that aside.
But I think it was a mistake and I believe
that the Broncos will find out that that job is
now not as desirable because of that.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, And all the stories I've heard since the firing,
not just from you, but from other people in this
in this area, is that he was just such a
great guy.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh yes, He's a gem of a human being. And
so that that's one of those things that anyway, I
don't want to get too much into that. I've disappointed
that they fired him.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Five Cowboys have completed an interview with Seahawks assistant Leslie Frazier.
The Cowboys completed an in person interview with him on Monday.
They interviewed former Jets head coach Robert Sala last week.
Of course, we heard all the noise around Dion Sanders
last week as Walsh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Was absolute garbage.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Pac Man Jones last week said he can almost guarantee
that it's going to be Kellen Moore as the next
head coach.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right, is that who you think is gonna be? I
believe that's the leader in the clubhouse. The question becomes,
if Philadelphia beats Washington, do you want to wait on
Kellen Moore? Because if you wait, you have to wait
on him to interview, You have to wait on him
to put a staff together. And at that point, most
of these hirings are going to be done as people
are going to be putting their own staffs together, and
so at that point, do you really want to go
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with Kellen Moore in the leftovers?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
At that point?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I'm not sure that you do. The backup there
is Brian Schottenneimer. And while that may surprise some people,
Brian Schottenneimer is a guy who's absolutely gotten some run.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Around the league.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And you know, I mean his father was more to Shotneimer.
He's been around league a long time, twenty three years,
he's been coaching in the NFL. He just hasn't gotten
the shot at the head coach. And I like Brian Schottneimer.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think he's a good dude. I think he can
co exist.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Obviously, he's already the offensive coordinator there, you know, in Dallas.
I would not be surprised at all if Kellen Moore,
if Philadelphia wins, if they maybe pivot that direction.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Just a follow up on the coaching searches, do you think, well,
here's the two parter. Is Cliff Kingsbury gaining entry from
any teams in a head coaching position, and would he
even want to leave that situation he's got with Jayden
Daniels and Dan Quinn in Washington.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, yes, he has interest from people, but I don't
think he's going to leave. He's still getting paid by
Arizona as a head coach, still getting that head coach money.
He's still getting the head coach money and he gets
to you know, rehabilitate his image with Jayde Daniels right now,
and who knows that?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What the what the limits? Guys lived on that.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So if I'm Cliff Kingsbury, you're probably the star of
the show next cycle.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Ben Johnson's already got a job.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Whatever jobs open up, You're you're probably the front runner
for whatever you want. The coaching the quarterback class next
year is expected to be a lot better. If I'm
Cliff Kingsbury, I absolutely at Arizona, pay me to be
an oc another year with Jaden Daniels and uh, and
I worry about you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Know, head coaching opportunities next cycle.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, and as we know, there's six d eight head
coaching opportunities every year in.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The NFL, right, And so that that's the thing. Like
I it was funny to me because I was talking
to somebody today. They were talking about the idea of
hiring p Carroll and they're like, well, what are you doing?
You I have to get a new coach in four
years And I'm like, bro, everybody has a new coach
in four years. You understand, you know how many coaches
right now we're employed five years ago at the same job.
Nine No, not even a third of the league, twenty
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five percent of the league, just just over twenty five
percent of the league. Seventy five percent of the league
has changed their coaches in the last five years. And
the guys that are there were guys like John Harball,
Mike Tomlin, Stefanski had just gotten hired, La Fleurd just
gotten hired. You had a bunch of guys that just
that just got those jobs and have been there, you know,
and those kinds of things. And some of those guys
aren't going to be there next year, you know, the
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a five year mark. Some of these guys are gonna
be here next year. So you know, the idea of
looking for a long term answer a head coach and
the modern NFL is silly. Like if you're if you're
a college football program, that's one thing, but if in
the NFL you need to be a two to three
year window is just how you have to look at everything.
And honestly, with players, you got to look at one
year windows. And so it's it's it's not the same
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as it used to be. The expectation of success and
win now and all that kind of stuff has made
long term hiring and long term plans almost obsolete. So
if you're a head coach, way to get around that
is to get a six year deal where you're fully
guaranteed and they just won't fire because they don't want
to burn Johnson's like Ben Johnson. Yeah. Six Just on
a little.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Side note, the job security in the NFL reminds me
a lot of the radio business.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, you might have more security in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
This one not NFL related, but I just thought this
was an amazing stat I saw earlier today. Nikola Jokicic
the Joker, has more triple doubles and three quarters twelve
on the year than any other team has total in
the entirety of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't have a question for this.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I just wanted to give him some love and say, man,
what a special time to be a Denver Nuggets fan.
Like they just played basketball the right way and it
all it's it's all through Nikola Jokic. It's just it's
just so much fun to watch a team move the
ball around like they do, and just to see some
of the mind blowing plays he has on a night
in a night out basis.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, what does he have three straight triple doubles and
four of his last five I believe, yeah, and one
that he did not have a triple double. He had
nineteen points, eighteen boards, and nine assists the right the
first the first Dallas game because back to that game's
in Dallas, their and he missed it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
By one assist.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Uh to have five straight triple doubles, you know, and that, yeah,
he is an absolutely special player. Nokole Jogics is the
best basketball player in the world, period, end of discussion.
You know, you want to talk about other guys be
a better scorers or better what, fine, He's the best
basketball player in the world right now. And it is
is it's it's so awesome. It's such a treat to
get an up close, front row seat to such a
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great player in his prime. And he's still definitely in
his prime right now, you know as a basketball player.
He turns what thirty next year, I think, yeah, we
got another next year.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I think we'll have another four to five years of Joker,
and he'll just leave because he just is tired of
playing the game.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, honestly, he'll he'll hang
it up on his own terms. I don't think he's
a guy who's gonna stick around until he's forty forty,
you know, forty two years old. Any of that kind
of stuff, I think you'll get a few more years.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He's still at his prime.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You probably got a year to two left of his prime,
and then you start hitting the backside of it a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Father time. He is undefeated with those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But I mean, you're talking about a guy who's still
He's averaging more points this year than he's ever averaged
right per game. He's averaging thirty plus points per game
right now, and the most he had ever done was
twenty seven back in twenty one twenty two. He's almost
tied his rebounding high thirteen point two thirteen point.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Eight twenty twenty two during his MVP season.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And his assists are at an all time high at
nine point nine assists per game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
He is literally playing statistically his best basketball ever.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I'd love to see him average a triple double for
the year, because then there's just no way you can't
give him the MVP and someonunlike him, who has the
skill set that he has when he is losing, you know,
out of going out of this prime in these next
couple of years, he's still going to be such a
valuable role player in the latter years of his career.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it's funny. Here's here's an interesting number for you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is because he's three point percentage just had an old
time high. He shooting forty seven percent from on the arc,
stupid four better than he's ever done before.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
In fact, last year was a thirty six percent shooter.
That's a gigantic jump.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
But he's also his field goal percentage in two point
shots has plummeted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Do you know why? That is why people are fouling him.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Okay, so he's you know, he's he's averaging, and I
say only because it's because his two point percentage was
absurd in previous years, where he had sixty seven sixty
three percent. Last year he's only averaging fifty nine percent
from two point land. Oh almost only. But a lot
of that is because he's getting fouled at a higher
volume now and missing it is showing up in the
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field goal percentage in terms of in terms of shot
that he's taking two more shots per game from from
two point land, but he's averaging two more free throw
attempts per game. He's getting fouled more. Not all of
them are necessarily even you shooting folks. He's averaging so
his field goal percentage is plumbting like that. You gotta
go catch a Nuggets games soon. I haven't been no
one yet this year.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll have to get to here.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I want to get to some of this sound from
earlier today in Rapport was on with the guys on
KAWI Sports. Uh talked a little bit about one of
the questions that we got on the text line earlier
about if they will start reviewing hits on the quarterback penalties.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I don't think the league will be reviewing hits and
judgment calls, but I do think easily provable things more
so will be subject to you know, replay assist where
they sort of replay it real quickly and just fix
it real quickly. Like, for instance, you know, if you
grasp a face mask or not, that's an easily that's
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something you can easily see on the replay. Take two
seconds look at it. Okay, did grasp that? That's foul?
Otherwise No, you know, are you gonna start Are we
gonna start legislating whether or not a player grazed a
helmet with his hairline or not. I mean, that's that's
sort of next level. And I think that's you know,
more of a question as far as like how far
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does the league want to go in doing review right,
because like the Patrick Mahomes sort of like thriding two
players converging hitting him in the head. I don't know
that that one would be looked at and overturned anywhere
on any level. I think it's sort of is what
it is. You hit a quarterback in the head, that's
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sort of what you get. I think it'll be better,
but I'm not sure it'll be as drastic as some
people think or want.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
To me. That's the thing, like everybody talking about that hit,
the double dead thing hit, you know on Mahomes, the
helmets made contact. There's no way you're getting that overturned
when that gets called on the field. And I understand
there's you know, bang bang plays all that kind of stuff,
but there's no way you're getting that overturned. It's always
going to be called for anybody, not just Pat Mahomes,
So we don't have to make up, you know, narratives
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on that. Now you want to say some of the
other stuff was egregious, I'm here for it. You want
to say some of the other calls were or horrible,
I'm here to listen to it. I do believe the
Chiefs were the beneficiaries of a poorly officiated game, which
I tweeted out at the time effect in the middle
of it. But at the end of the day, it's
always funny how the things I think people harp on
the most to the ones I'm like, well that you
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know actually by rule, And keep in mind, most of
these officials are lawyers by day, right. These are people
that go through they have to memorize every rule down
to the letter, and so they're not going to out
argue these people who are on the field calling it. Now,
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if you've got clear video evidence of something else that's different.
But in most of these cases, even when you have
fan outrage and it's widespread, most of the time it's
the fans that are wrong, and these officials mostly get
it right. Now, in the era of sports betting, mostly
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getting it right isn't good enough right, And that's sort
of that's the sticking point. So, you know, I don't
want to say to bash the officials because everybody does that,
and it's lame and it's a loser talking.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What do you make of the all the Texans players
coming out after the game and kind of saying, hey,
you know what it is when you play the Chiefs,
kind of putting the blame on the officials that they were,
you know, helping out the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The best line on that ever came from the movie
The Rock that it's Sean Connery and and he's you know,
I'm gonna get it rid of the bleeping part here,
but please do the please do the impression.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh do the voice. Yes, you're bashed.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Losers, whine about their bashed winners, go home and bleep
the prom queen. Yeah. So it's uh, that's my terrible
Sean Connor impression. And that's sort of the thing, you know,
you know, officiating. Losers whine about officiating. Winners are on
to the next round. And and even if they make
bad calls, don't play the game in a manner where
that call can't affect it, you know. And and I
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I hate to keep harping on that because I know
everybody wants to want you know, it's the Chiefs and
everybody wants to find if you want to if you
want to be that person, fine, I'm not gonna be
the person who engages that because because I don't, it
gets it's so it's.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Loser talk, man, it's so, it's it's what losers do.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I don't ever want to be that. I don't
want this fan base to be that. I never want
the dever Broncos to be the team whining about officiating. Right,
we expect to go in and win, and when we don't,
you know what, we'll get them next time.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like I want to be ice.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Cold stone, cold killer fan base where we were never
crying about stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ever, you know where we we.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were sitting here chess puffed out, chin held high. Yeah,
you needed a last second field goal to beat block
to beat us, an absolute miracle block to beat us.
I want to That's all I want to be is
a fan, and maybe not everybody agrees with me. I'm
not going to tell you how to fan or not fan,
but I'm just saying I'm I'm at the point in
my life where I'm too dignified to sit there and
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get on social media and whine about officiating. You know,
you can find calls in every game that go both ways.
I Am just never going to be the guy crying
about officiating.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Past six sixty nine Zeros text line.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Rap did have some other thoughts talking about the legacy
legacies of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, which and I
do want to get to that sounds a second. I
also have some gripes with the way we have to
hyper contextualize immediately this kind of stuff. Lamar Jackson's in
his sixth year, Peyton Madding didn't win a Super Bowl
tim a year nine, so you know, I hate the
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way that we can textualize this stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
This time, here's what Rap had to say.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We'll start with Lamar Jackson. He did everything he needed
to do. I mean, it was a perfect no. He
had an interception, he had a fumble that was kind
of mind numbing. There was a little bit of a
sloppy game, you know. He put the ball in the
hand of his best player to tie the game with
the minute thirty to go, like the player dropped it.
So for Lamar, I don't I don't know that it's much.
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I think it's just he hasn't hasn't gotten there yet.
As someone who really likes and respects Lamar, I kind
of hope he does, you know, I really do, but
obviously has not gotten there yet. And you know, for
Josh Allen, it's great. It's a really good game. He
played well, his team played well, got to beat Mahomes,
you know. So I don't know that this was sort
of a defining game for either, but it sets up
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defining situations for both. I mean, if Lamar Jackson comes
back next year and does it, that'll be monumental. I
think for Josh Allen, you know, he's he's got to
take down the champs to get kind of what he
needs and where he wants to go. And he's got
to take down the champs. And that's still elaits this week.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What the thing about that that bothers me is what
about that game? Does that change in your opinion on
either player? Are we suddenly going to pretend that Josh Allen,
if you were to have lost, or Lamar Jackson are
not good quarterbacks? Because that takes a lot of pretending
to do it, takes a lot of just making crap
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up to pretend that they're not good at football. What
is the conversation, Hall of Fame. These guys' careers are
half over. Yeah, like you said, halfway into a six
year yeah, which we're talking about guys that are that
are halfway Lamar and Josh Allen keep me in the
league same year.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Josh Allen has completely turned around the Buffalo Bills franchise.
They're playing in meaningful games in the playoffs again.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They're playing in the playoffs again, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
How far they've come from the days of Trent Edwards,
Macan Peterman. You're with Peter Man. I wasn't gonna I
wasn't gonna invoke Rye Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I wouldn't gonna do it, did you see popping up
by the way, a little.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Trivia, There are the two quarterbacks in their careers who
have received the most roughing the passer penalties. Well, I'm
gonna guess one of them is Ryan Fitzpatrimber.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Two is Ryan Fitzpatrick, believe it or not, number one
roughing the pastor is it a current player.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
No, it's Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh wow, I would have never guessed him that was
number one, but number two. And that's that's courtesy of
our good buddy Ryan Michael Ryan Fitzpatrick, which astounds me.
That is a surprising for all the people talking about
quarterbacks protected and by the flags and all that kind
of stuff. Reality is, if you go back and look
at the per snap drop backs on Patty Mahomes and
all that kind of stuff, he.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Really doesn't get that many.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's not any more any less than than any other quarterback.
You know, It's not appreciably more or less. It's just
something to keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I just don't want us to be those losers that
are always crying stuff. And I hate it. I hate
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know. I see those fan bases all the time.
They're always whining about something, and I hate it.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well, one of my fan bases, Cincinnati Bengals, just whining
about oh, the Chiefs let him in.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Or whatever it was such.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, think about it from a Broncos fans perspective.
You watch the Bengals do that. Everybody watched them do that.
Everybody was called the Bengals fan based losers for doing that.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I agree, don't don't put that evil on me, Ricky,
Bobby and I mean, it's not like they blew out
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
When they played, they had an epic battle that went overtime.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They had a close battle.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
If Cincinnati wanted to in the playoffs, win one more game,
beat the Patriots to start the season. Football is a.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Game of accumulation.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Accumulation of yards, accumulation of points, accumulation of.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Wins, accumulate more wins period.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I just I hate.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I hate that is officiating perfect. Absolutely not. Do superstars
in this league get calls that they should. Absolutely that.
I am never I mean, I'll point out a bad call,
but I'm never gonna sit there and belabor the point
and cry, well, he got to the rough of the
pastor's the only reason they win.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
They'll do that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Appreciate greatness even if it's on the opposing sideline, because
then it feels that much sweeter when you beat it, yeah, man, And.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If if the Chiefs do go on to three pet
something we've never seen ever in the history of the NFL,
I'm not denigrating them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm congratulating them on their victory.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm saying, we're coming for you next year.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Exactly, and how cool will it be to knock them
off the pedestal even more after that?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If they do do something that's never been done before. Yeah,
I'm not counting the I'm not counting the running up
on their backups.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Game, but in the game in their house, it took a.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Last second miracle field goal block, right, So you got
to go into next year with the anticipation that you
can that you can compete with and ostensionately beat Kansas City.
I don't care if they win the Super Bowl or not. Personally,
I'm like, let them win the super Bowl, then I'm
gonna come knock you off that pedestal and get my own.
I don't just want to be the best, I want
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to beat the best. Maybe I'm wired different. I don't know,
because that's saw a lot of you know, I see
Twitter and it's like it's a totally different attitude on that,
and people get mad at me for that that sort
of attitude. I don't know, I don't know why, but
that's that's the competitor in me. I want no man,
I don't want gimmes. I don't want to beat. I
don't want to jump on the video that's the thing. Okay,
(11:22):
So when you're playing the video game, we're playing the
NC double a video game, right and you get the
FCS School or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Dude, I bounce that for somebody good. I don't need
a tune up game.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Give me the best.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I want to play the best. I want to beat
the best always.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And that's one thing I do really respect about Sean
Payton is he wants to be in those games and
he thinks he's gonna win them. And that's something that
you want in your head.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Coach. I mean, I get that I hated him. I
don't want to give him the bulletin BOARDETI hated the
way he gives him the free gasoline. But I it's
it's a double edged sword because I hate the way
he gives people free gasoline. I hate it, but I
love the way that he always frames things through the
lens of we're going to be excellent, go to be
the best.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
We're at the level of competition of the best. We're
not lesser than. So it's a double edged sword for
me because I like the way that Sean Payton does that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He's talking, he's talking up and framing the franchise always
through the lens of Yeah, there are equal you know.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I just there's gotta be a better way to do it,
to give it a guy like Andy Reid free gasoline
all offseason, because that clip is absolutely one thousand percent
going to be on the loop all week next.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Year when we play the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, and I didn't know. I didn't really understand.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And maybe you know, Nick's obviously a former player and
has been in more locker rooms than me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But why wouldn't you use that if you're handing absolutely,
do you put that audio before every presentation, every film
study all week? That audio is running when you turn
the lights, that audio is before you have everything. If
you got TVs in the locker room, like a lot
of the locker rooms down I have the television right
there about the locker form, Boy, that clip is on.
You control what goes on those close circuit TVs.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Put it on loop.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, I mean you think, think the Eagles players, they
didn't know that that Jared Verse was trashing their fan base.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They had that on everything.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
They give it out T shirts at the end of
Friday practice to get the quote on there. You use
every edge that you can't. Never give your opponent free gasoline,
make them pay for it. And so that's what they're
you know, I mean, you know, people can say whatever
they want about me, and lord knows they do. There's
(13:30):
enough free you know, there's enough fake stories on the
Internet to fill several volumes. I think my favorite is
like over there on Reddit due there are there are
whole people cleaning whole encounters with.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Me that never happened.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
People do have met I met here, you did this, buddy,
we never met In that note, I can promise you
that never happened.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I tell Ryan Edwards thats all the time. Screw the haters.
If you know you're you're in their head. If they're
making up stories, they're talking trash on Well, it used.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To really bother me.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You're free. Well yeah, but I mean it used to
really bother me, Like I'm not somebody's wired for fame
or infamy or.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know that kind of stuff. And not that I'm famous.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm not, but I'm not somebody's wired for it, because
I think it bothered me for a long time, like
what what do they hate me?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What did I ever do? And now I'm at the
I'm at that point right there.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I'm like, you know, what if if you if if
your life is so terrible that you got to make
stuff up about somebody else, And then I pity you.
I pity the fool I do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I pity all the fools. I just think red.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's hilarious though, because you've got people out here claiming
just the wildest stuff. Some guy making up a story
about running into me at a grocery store and uh,
this was like Ryan and Me and BK were all
in Indianapolis when this alleged event was supposed to have occurred.
Like I was at the Combine, How did you run
into me? And at the grocery store?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Speaking of are you going you covering the Combine and
the Senior Bold?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, I think so. Sea Bulls coming up here too,
because like next week, I gotta bounce out of here
and go to Mobile and then yeah, Combine will be
in February. Definitely beat that. I think Ryan and I
are both going working on something for that right now.
I don't have all the logistics laid out just yet.
But you know we love that because we you know,
we get the interview with George Payton. He always drops
a few good nuggets for us.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know we're doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I love those interviews. Man. Yeah, I don't think
Sean Payton's doing the interview with us. But uh, I
would guess if there is about a.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Zero maybe the last number you're looking for it, I
was gonna give it like percent, but I don't even
think it's that high.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, as opposed to the Nate Nate Hackett who came
like that, dude, I'll never forget the one thing about
Nate Haggett. I was out at the late night establishment
with that gentleman until what had it was three thirty
in the morning. We were throwing down drinks were had.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I was out. It was was in Indy. We were
at the we were prime steakhouse, like three third in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I leave before he leaves. I'm daffing up risk Gangarello
on the way out. Oh coach, what's up. I get
back to our.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Place to get a couple hours sleep because we got
like an eight a seven thirty eight am turnaround here
we got to be up for podium and our interviews
with George Payton, Nate Hackett bro I'm I'm I'm knocking
back a red bull.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Dying. Four hours later, here comes Nate.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Hackett walking in fresh as a daisy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, you guys ready to go.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It'll just I'm I was like, wow, this guy, and
then that season happened, ruining my perfectly good Nate dog
and war room g memes for him and George Payden,
Broncos Country, Nad's got a six pack.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We come back. Let's get to the NFL six pack.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's time for the NFL six pad. I'm gonna train
a lot of beer, insight, inside information you can't find
anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, the top six NFL headline was, well, we.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Talked a little bit earlier about Cooper Cup and you're
thinking that he has lost a step. Cooper Cup said
he plans to keep playing, but doesn't know if it
will be with the Rams. He said, who knows what's
going to happen. That's out of my control, and we
will see what it's going to be. I don't have
any clarity on what that's going to look like or
anything like that. So yeah, obviously would love to be
(17:24):
in LA, but I don't know what that's going to
look like. Question for you, do you think Cooper Cup
ends up back in LA And if not, would you
want to see the Broncos add him to their receiver room.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do not believe he'll be back in LA.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't want the Broncos to add him here at
the cost it would take to add him.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I certainly don't want them to trade anything.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And in free agency he's going to make an end
ob seeing amount of money. So you know, I really
don't all the respect to Cooper Cup. I think was
a great player and he's still a good player. Clearly
lost a step and you can see that. I mean
you could see that in the game where he's just
not able to get vertical the same way that he
used to just create separation the same way used to
h He's a smarter guy than he used to be
(18:04):
and create separation that way, but the athleticism has taken
a step and the injuries have taken their toll over
the years. He's twenty twenty five season, you're talking about
a cap hit of twenty nine point seven eight million dollars.
That is ten point eight three percent of cap. That
is absolutely ludicrous. No, you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He's sertaly.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Don't trade for that contract for a thirty two year
old wide receiver. So uh no, I would be out
on that two.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
NFL won't instruct officials to throw flags for pulling runner
runners on Sundays Gravens Bills game. They didn't throw a
flag on Buffalo guard Osiris Torrents for pulling running back
James Cook into the end zone, and the next Sunday
they won't be throwing any flags if that happens.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Again, do you agree with this rule and could we
see it changed in an off season decision. I don't
like the idea of pulling people or pushing people, but
I mean it's part of the gay, especially with the
toast push and all that kind of stuff. That's the
part of the way that things are. My concern is
player safety. Honestly, if you're dragging or shoving somebody, they're
(19:12):
off balance and creates more situations where you can mess
up knees.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And ankles and legs.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I don't have a problem with pulling or pushing people
on its on the surface, I have a problem with
it from the safety perspective and that it endangers the
legs of players and the last thing you want is
a catastrophic injury from somebody pulling or pushing somebody that
kind of thing. I think the Player Safety comp Committee
needs to look at it. The Competition Committee needs to
look at it and see what they want to do.
As far as the rest of the postseason goes, you
(19:38):
have to adjudicate it the same way. So if it
happens the rest of this postseason, then I, you know,
I don't see a problem with not calling a flag. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
And if the NFL is supposedly all about player safety,
now do you think this would be a role change
that them or the players union would like to see
him forced.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, and we'll see who steps forward with what on it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But as it sits right now, that's not It's not
something you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Can change mid stream.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Three.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Well, as we talked about earlier, Ben Johnson hired as
the next head coach of the Chicago Bears. The initial
number making the rounds for his contract is thirteen million
dollars a year, So it's what's more than that where's
that number from? Sean Payton's making what right now?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's got to be somewhere around and there. Right, The
number that I was given was fifteen, Okay, so I
know it's more than thirteen. Like there are some incentives
and everything else. So depending on how you want to
count that by. The number I was given was fifteen.
I know it's more than thirteen. So there's that the
base on that is more than thirteen.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Where's that number coming from?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
This is from Pro Football Top?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Okay, they said they sat they're over under at fourteen
and a half million, but they're hearing thirteen million.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, with incentives, it's over fourteen and a half. At
fourteen I think is the base, and then with the
incentives it pushes it to fifteen or over. What does
Dan Quinn make in Washington?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh, I'd have to go back and look, it's slightly
less than that. I think he's at twelve. I would
have to go back and look. I don't know off
the top my head.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Would that be something that a team would restructure after
a year like they're having and Washington teams cannot restructure
contracts for coaches. They're fully guaranteed Now, there might be
incentives in there, you might give a bonus and extension
those kinds of things, but you cannot change the terms
of a contract with a head coach. They are fully
guaranteed and they're outside the Styry count poor well.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Sticking with the Bears, they are heavily pursuing Darren Rizzy
for their special teams coordinator job. Of course, we know
the Broncos fired their special teams coordinator last week and
he's been linked to the Broncos because of his ties
with Sean Payton. Where do you think Darren Rizzy ultimately
ends up and if the Broncos don't get them here,
who do you think is the favorite to become the
(21:53):
next Broncos special teams coordinator.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I believe we'll go to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I also believe Dennis Allen will go to Chicago as
the defensive coordinator, both things I talked about a few
weeks ago as probably being on Ben Johnson's staff. We'll see,
We'll see how that goes, unless they fumble that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's where those two are going.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I believe that Darren Rizzy would choose Chicago over Denver. Really, yes,
do I and Darrenrizzy and Ben Johnson go way back.
They were at Miami. They were with Miami together at
the Mighty Dolphins, like a decade and a half ago
or whatever. They've been They've been friends for a long time.
I don't uh, I don't know, because there were a
(22:34):
lot of people that were surprised at the Ben Kuwika
following firing, count me as one of them.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They understood the the deal with west Off and it
was a dual deal.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They understood all that, but there were a lot of
people that were around the league that were very surprised
by that. And the question then becomes, what's the level
of expectation on this job? If I've got a Pro
Bowl returner and a guy who's making almost every kicks,
I've got an all Pro kick returner and pot return
can be a part return and Marvin Mims and you know,
(23:04):
the one real m glaring error you had all year
was you know, with that guard reinforcement in the guard
position on field goals and it got the better of
you in Kansas City game, Like, what what is our
level of expectation at that point?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
There are people who I think would normally take a
job like that, that are going to look at the
Denver job and say, what in the world you just
fired a guy who exceeded expectation?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What what do you what do you want to be?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, and what you said last week was that he's
very well respected around the NFL, and yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Know Ben has had a large career. I like the career.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's been a special teams coordinator before for Minnesota, for Atlanta,
you know. And I would not be surprised to see
if Ben Quicka wound up on dan Quin's staff. By
the way, Ben prior to that was a helicopter pilot
when I knew him in Iraq in two thousand and four,
so when we were both deployed together. So I try
(23:59):
to keep my feeling, my personal feelings on that aside.
But I think it was a mistake and I believe
that the Broncos will find out that that job is
now not as desirable because of that.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, And all the stories I've heard since the firing,
not just from you, but from other people in this
in this area, is that he was just such a
great guy.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh yes, He's a gem of a human being. And
so that that's one of those things that anyway, I
don't want to get too much into that. I've disappointed
that they fired him.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Five Cowboys have completed an interview with Seahawks assistant Leslie Frazier.
The Cowboys completed an in person interview with him on Monday.
They interviewed former Jets head coach Robert Sala last week.
Of course, we heard all the noise around Dion Sanders
last week as Walsh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Was absolute garbage.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Pac Man Jones last week said he can almost guarantee
that it's going to be Kellen Moore as the next
head coach.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right, is that who you think is gonna be? I
believe that's the leader in the clubhouse. The question becomes,
if Philadelphia beats Washington, do you want to wait on
Kellen Moore? Because if you wait, you have to wait
on him to interview, You have to wait on him
to put a staff together. And at that point, most
of these hirings are going to be done as people
are going to be putting their own staffs together, and
so at that point, do you really want to go
(25:15):
with Kellen Moore in the leftovers?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
At that point?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I'm not sure that you do. The backup there
is Brian Schottenneimer. And while that may surprise some people,
Brian Schottenneimer is a guy who's absolutely gotten some run.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Around the league.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And you know, I mean his father was more to Shotneimer.
He's been around league a long time, twenty three years,
he's been coaching in the NFL. He just hasn't gotten
the shot at the head coach. And I like Brian Schottneimer.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think he's a good dude. I think he can
co exist.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Obviously, he's already the offensive coordinator there, you know, in Dallas.
I would not be surprised at all if Kellen Moore,
if Philadelphia wins, if they maybe pivot that direction.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Just a follow up on the coaching searches, do you think, well,
here's the two parter. Is Cliff Kingsbury gaining entry from
any teams in a head coaching position, and would he
even want to leave that situation he's got with Jayden
Daniels and Dan Quinn in Washington.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, yes, he has interest from people, but I don't
think he's going to leave. He's still getting paid by
Arizona as a head coach, still getting that head coach money.
He's still getting the head coach money and he gets
to you know, rehabilitate his image with Jayde Daniels right now,
and who knows that?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What the what the limits? Guys lived on that.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So if I'm Cliff Kingsbury, you're probably the star of
the show next cycle.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Ben Johnson's already got a job.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Whatever jobs open up, You're you're probably the front runner
for whatever you want. The coaching the quarterback class next
year is expected to be a lot better. If I'm
Cliff Kingsbury, I absolutely at Arizona, pay me to be
an oc another year with Jaden Daniels and uh, and
I worry about you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Know, head coaching opportunities next cycle.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, and as we know, there's six d eight head
coaching opportunities every year in.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The NFL, right, And so that that's the thing. Like
I it was funny to me because I was talking
to somebody today. They were talking about the idea of
hiring p Carroll and they're like, well, what are you doing?
You I have to get a new coach in four
years And I'm like, bro, everybody has a new coach
in four years. You understand, you know how many coaches
right now we're employed five years ago at the same job.
Nine No, not even a third of the league, twenty
(27:08):
five percent of the league, just just over twenty five
percent of the league. Seventy five percent of the league
has changed their coaches in the last five years. And
the guys that are there were guys like John Harball,
Mike Tomlin, Stefanski had just gotten hired, La Fleurd just
gotten hired. You had a bunch of guys that just
that just got those jobs and have been there, you know,
and those kinds of things. And some of those guys
aren't going to be there next year, you know, the
(27:29):
a five year mark. Some of these guys are gonna
be here next year. So you know, the idea of
looking for a long term answer a head coach and
the modern NFL is silly. Like if you're if you're
a college football program, that's one thing, but if in
the NFL you need to be a two to three
year window is just how you have to look at everything.
And honestly, with players, you got to look at one
year windows. And so it's it's it's not the same
(27:50):
as it used to be. The expectation of success and
win now and all that kind of stuff has made
long term hiring and long term plans almost obsolete. So
if you're a head coach, way to get around that
is to get a six year deal where you're fully
guaranteed and they just won't fire because they don't want
to burn Johnson's like Ben Johnson. Yeah. Six Just on
a little.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Side note, the job security in the NFL reminds me
a lot of the radio business.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, you might have more security in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
This one not NFL related, but I just thought this
was an amazing stat I saw earlier today. Nikola Jokicic
the Joker, has more triple doubles and three quarters twelve
on the year than any other team has total in
the entirety of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't have a question for this.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I just wanted to give him some love and say, man,
what a special time to be a Denver Nuggets fan.
Like they just played basketball the right way and it
all it's it's all through Nikola Jokic. It's just it's
just so much fun to watch a team move the
ball around like they do, and just to see some
of the mind blowing plays he has on a night
in a night out basis.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, what does he have three straight triple doubles and
four of his last five I believe, yeah, and one
that he did not have a triple double. He had
nineteen points, eighteen boards, and nine assists the right the
first the first Dallas game because back to that game's
in Dallas, their and he missed it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
By one assist.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Uh to have five straight triple doubles, you know, and that, yeah,
he is an absolutely special player. Nokole Jogics is the
best basketball player in the world, period, end of discussion.
You know, you want to talk about other guys be
a better scorers or better what, fine, He's the best
basketball player in the world right now. And it is
is it's it's so awesome. It's such a treat to
get an up close, front row seat to such a
(29:36):
great player in his prime. And he's still definitely in
his prime right now, you know as a basketball player.
He turns what thirty next year, I think, yeah, we
got another next year.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I think we'll have another four to five years of Joker,
and he'll just leave because he just is tired of
playing the game.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, honestly, he'll he'll hang
it up on his own terms. I don't think he's
a guy who's gonna stick around until he's forty forty,
you know, forty two years old. Any of that kind
of stuff, I think you'll get a few more years.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He's still at his prime.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You probably got a year to two left of his prime,
and then you start hitting the backside of it a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Father time. He is undefeated with those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But I mean, you're talking about a guy who's still
He's averaging more points this year than he's ever averaged
right per game. He's averaging thirty plus points per game
right now, and the most he had ever done was
twenty seven back in twenty one twenty two. He's almost
tied his rebounding high thirteen point two thirteen point.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Eight twenty twenty two during his MVP season.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And his assists are at an all time high at
nine point nine assists per game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
He is literally playing statistically his best basketball ever.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I'd love to see him average a triple double for
the year, because then there's just no way you can't
give him the MVP and someonunlike him, who has the
skill set that he has when he is losing, you know,
out of going out of this prime in these next
couple of years, he's still going to be such a
valuable role player in the latter years of his career.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it's funny. Here's here's an interesting number for you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is because he's three point percentage just had an old
time high. He shooting forty seven percent from on the arc,
stupid four better than he's ever done before.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
In fact, last year was a thirty six percent shooter.
That's a gigantic jump.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
But he's also his field goal percentage in two point
shots has plummeted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Do you know why? That is why people are fouling him.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Okay, so he's you know, he's he's averaging, and I
say only because it's because his two point percentage was
absurd in previous years, where he had sixty seven sixty
three percent. Last year he's only averaging fifty nine percent
from two point land. Oh almost only. But a lot
of that is because he's getting fouled at a higher
volume now and missing it is showing up in the
(31:36):
field goal percentage in terms of in terms of shot
that he's taking two more shots per game from from
two point land, but he's averaging two more free throw
attempts per game. He's getting fouled more. Not all of
them are necessarily even you shooting folks. He's averaging so
his field goal percentage is plumbting like that. You gotta
go catch a Nuggets games soon. I haven't been no
one yet this year.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
We'll make that, we'll wake that up and soon Office
cuntry night, wolves on, you're twide about their best winners.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Go home and bleep the prom queen,
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