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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shelby Harris, thank you for sticking around for a semon air.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Grand Smith back. They're the greatest mustache in the game.
Still jealously every time I just look at just by
jealousy every day.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I told you what you can do because I can't
run wais.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
From hair look like a dog with the.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I mean, if you can cut hair from somewhere else
and put it on your face, I'm good on that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Okay, yeah, because I mean my best option there shaving
the hassle hall to make it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Look like that long.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm sure you have a very long armpit hair. You
can do something.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
No one's gonna know the difference, man, I will. I
won't tell anyone.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Everyone would know the difference.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And me with a mustache is not to look anybody
needs a gamer. We've seen like look, if anybody has
brought more bad looks out in this market than I
have and owned them, well, we.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Were just talking about I just wish people could see
his ankles right now, because they're all.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's all out. I got my best yoga pants.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
On to say where I grew up, Well, we would
say about your pants, we would say you were flooding. Yeah,
that's the guy, which says it is kind of a style.
I mean I've seen guys dressing the league like that always.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But you know, hey, whatever, whatever floats your boat exactly
what we call it flooding.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm just floating your boat.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Five six, sixth nights Sex on Big Show, and I
shall be in here for a little bit. We got
Rick Lewis six thirty, Rye Michael seven or five.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Of course the NFL six back a little bit later.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Uh hey man, well, you know, it's been a minute since.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I guess it's like yesterday, but I mean it's since
I really really saw you out here in Denver, other
than at the you know, the Browns game, which uh.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know, we just.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Decided on the field.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, I was like, Shabby's bigger than me, He's faster
than me. I got a whole lot of jokes that
I can't make it. At the end of the day,
it's a team game. It happens. You went something, you
lose something. I mean, you did you enjoying uh this
part in your career. I mean you, I'm a long
way from the you know, the Raiders, which I think
we can all hate on here and drafting you the
same year the draft of Derek Carr, you call it
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long waits instead, And you know, how are you enjoying.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
At this stage of your career?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I'm just I'm truly just blessed to still be playing,
you know, the game of football and get paid money
for it, you know what I mean, Like I get
to set my family up for life just playing a
game that I love. Like I'm truly just lucky. I
get to go do something that I wake up excited
to do every day. And you know, it's just, you know,
obviously it's getting towards the end of the of the career,
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going into year twelve, and it's only so much, so
much longer. You I want to do this because I
want to be with my family. I want to you know,
be there raising my kids. You know, I want to
really be dad. And so honestly, I'm just living to dream,
still just enjoying everything.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Here's a question that everyone always asks me, like, when
you get to that stage of your career where you
know that it's starting to come on the down slope
of it, how did how easy is it for you
to deal with younger players who are coming in and
they're not taking the game as serious as you're taking.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Man, I just shake the head a lot. You know.
You try to try to put the young guys on
game because I don't want them to have to go
through some of the stuff that I have to go
through being cut, you know, almost eight times, and and
you know, being on all these different teams, if ire
really stuck, and I just try to fix, you know,
try to tell them the where I messed up at
and where they can be better. If you don't listen,
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all I can do is to shake my heads because
I'm trying to help.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But how many of those guys actually like they now
their head like they got it, but they didn't walk away,
Like yeah you might, you might if.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You But the way you got to look at it
is if you can reach one, you did. You did
your part, you know what I mean, Like you still
just have to do my veteran duties of informing players,
let them know. Like I'm the Union reps, so we
all talked to them all about their form one k's
the pensions and you know, you just have to take
on that fatherly role because you know, at the end
of the day, there's a lot of these guys are
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just kids still well.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and there's a sense of there's a there's a
sensitive and more talent when you're younger that you don't
I mean, you don't's just no conceptualize you talk about
four O k's and everything. That just made me laugh
because I remember being in the army and trying to
get these guys just through life insurance.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Make you're in the army, you need life insurance, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
These guys like, oh, but I'd rather have the eighteen
bucks in my helm onth of my in my check
or what.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm like, Bro, that's the stupidity. I know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's just you know, and I'm remember like trying to
talk to these you know, these privates or whatever, be like,
what you're an idiot, like, just just take the life
insurance so I I can. I can recall that that
sort of immortality. I guess, so that you that faux
immortality mindset, I guess you have. The older you get,
you kind of fall out of that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But even just in the football aspect of it, I'm
trying to break it down how I look at the
game and just the simple simple things like a lot
of the a lot of young players just don't realize
if a team doesn't run same side runs and then
shotgun you you have a limited amount of blocks that
you can get when when the back's on one side
or the other. And that makes the game so much
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simpler from before the snap you you know what I mean.
It's this little stuff that you try to like put
on to the younger guys so that maybe they become
a better pro quicker than you did, but.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
More efficient, you know.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But it's like I always tell everyone, it's enough money
out there for everybody. You know, there's no reason to
gate keeping anything. There's no reason to do anything like
that because if I get enjoyment out of seeing like
my young guys succeed, Like when Draymont went to Seattle
and got paid, I was hyped because that was my rookie,
you know what I mean, Like when I was like
when d Walk, when like when de Walk went when
DeMarcus Walker went in and finally got paid, and I
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was extremely happy for him because there's somebody that we
have all worked with when he first got here in
Denver and kind of helped, you know, I feel like
molt these guys and so as that's my job as
a vet is to try to just pass it on
and really like help help the guys out as.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Your coaching tree.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Tree.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Here's the thing LBC, with the guy what you're describing
right now, I wish it was like that when I
came into the league, because veteran guys would tell us
the wrong thing, so we would mess up to give
them somewhat of an upperhand.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I had that too, too, and that's why I am
the way I am because I had such a like
I feel like I didn't have the support that I
felt like I needed as a young player from the
older players. They were more worried about trying to stick
in the league in another year or two, or they
were worried about themselves. But like I said before, there's
enough money. If you're a good player, you'll find a
place to go. And it's all about just helping the
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next man, You know what I mean. It's it doesn't
make any sense. It's too much hate too me haters
the league right now. That's what I tell being all
the time every night when we're on. I can't help that.
It needs to be more. We need to help each out,
each help each other out a lot more in the
league because I feel like the quality of the game
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is starting to deteriorate a little bit. You know, Quarterbacks
aren't starting to get, you know, as advance as they
need to. Offenses aren't clicking like they need to. Defenses are,
you know, are starting to come better, but only in
some aspects. But I think that's a case of the
older players not leaving, you know, leaving that mark on
the younger players on how to study. You know, it's
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so much like the game is so much deeper than
what you know it is when you first come into
the league that it takes us to really help teach
the game more than we could get through, kind of
better than coaches can. But this is why for me,
when I came from New York and I came here being.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
In locker room with some of those guys who were
on the back to back Super Bowl team, and McCaffrey
was pretty much in some of the last couple of
years of his career, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It was Rod Smith.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
A lot of those guys because they went through the
meat Rider, they understood what it was like to be
a player. They were willing to give that information and
when I say information, not just that information.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
About the x's and o's. But about the game of life.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I remember when Brandon Marshall was drafted here and did
was Koch Shanahan put his locker right next to Rod
Smith for a reason because he knew coming out of
college there were certain things that v Marshall had issues with,
and he thought being around a guy like Rod would
help change his overall perception. Now, I would say that
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it helped to a small extent, because we're all men
and sometimes we don't want to listen to things or
that other people are saying.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's like you mean, Rod passed me on the way
coming in, and it's great to see guys like that
still here in Denver, still involved in the community, but
still looking to give back.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I hope, and this doesn't happen that often, but.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I hope with the level of experience and success that
the team had this year, they look to bring into
Rod Smith so he can talk to that team.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
This is a young team too, I mean the Broncos
young football third youngest by age in the league. Not
a lot of that kind of stuff, and you would
hope that those guys, guys like yourself, that attitude would
be pervasive with those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In passing the legacy on and building on that what showed.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
In the playoffs, you know what I mean, Like it's
just a mindset I guess that veteran guys just have
where we don't care how many times you punch it
in their mouth, We're going to punch you back. And
it's kind of teaching the young guys that, man, you've
got to shout out all the other stuff and not
worry about it and go play your game because you
have ten of your brothers on that side of the
ball are depending on you doing your job. And I
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think when you look at it like that, when you
look at it where you have a you know, abandoned brothers,
your hold, your defense is waiting is looking at you
to do your job, and if you don't do your job,
you're letting your guys down. And like sometimes that's how
you have to get through the players. Know, like you
have a job. Yes it's in your individual, but if
you go and do an individual thing, you're screwing over
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the collective and it takes that's when you do you
have the vets that come up and they call you
out and be like, man, what the hell are you doing.
You can't do that to other Like we're playing for you,
you got to play for us too, And that's what
you go through training camp for. That's really the main point,
I guess of training camps and OTA is to build
that camaraderie so that when it when it does, when
it does get tough, you can call your fellow man
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out and be like, hey, we need you to do better.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We had a we had a say in the army,
and I'm quite sure it applies to uh, you know
to what you guys are going through in the NFL,
and that's you make your best friends in hell, right,
you make your best friends when you sweat it out
the training camp, you make your best friends.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And you know it basic training. When you're sweating at you're.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Just miserable, But you're miserable together, right because you're in
pursuit of a common goal.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And so like it does build that a spree to
core that camaraderie.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That that that kind of thing is that is that
your experience in a league?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, I've always said that we everyone in the NFL
comes from different walks of life. Everybody comes from a
different place, and honestly, the only reason we're all together
is because we're all trying to achieve the common goal.
And the only way that you can feel like you
can address a teammate or somebody that is you have
to actually have to get to know them. You have
to have that common respect that when you do, especially
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in this young this new age now where it's a
little softer, you know, just as like you just you know,
you have to find ways to communicate with this younger
generation or you're a hater, you know what I mean,
Like like, oh, you're a hater. So you have to
find a way to communicate with the younger generation. And
so that causes you to actually have to get closer
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to them personally, so that when you do call them out,
they know you're not coming from a place of hate.
You're coming from a place of you know, we just
want us to be as good as we can be.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Some of these guys is so dunk and highs soft,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like I mean, like Nick, not like you're the little
to I, but we come from a similar generation. Your
mindset feels like it's part of that generation, you know,
like the roast culture man, Like I loved it like
you guys were flamingo.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I love it, Like, I'm never going to take offense
to any of that I got.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You know, we were talking during the break I got
jacked by Aaron Patrick in the locker room form pair
of jeans I wore one time, and I'm sure you
remember they were terrible. They still get this legendary jenies
below in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But I mean to say, it's like, you can you
can handle that, Like it's where was having to talk.
I think we're talking with the day the other day
and he was, you know, he made a joke about
the midget chair or whatever, you know, and and he's liked, oh,
you didn't get offended.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But and I'm like, no, man, it's some micro like no, Like.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I ankles are out as cold as cold as hell outside. Look,
I'm just like going, you gotta got a phone.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's like the guys that took the shirt off on
the bay watching slow motion. That's what I got, those
kind of ankles.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I'm just surprised you don't wear your typical short pants. Yeah,
you have seen the short pants I got in the
short pants.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It looks like a pair of pair trunks because yes,
I'm comfortable in there. I don't care. Like I was
telling you, Yesterda, I had forty and I just said,
bleep it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So no, that's well, that's that's tough because I got
seven more years.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Just counted down man telling you. But I mean there
is there is a disconnect there.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There is a disconnect between and I'm gonna call it
our generation, but that the collective mindset I think in
the approach to these kinds of things, because I do
find myself struggling at times to communicate with guys that
are half my age that are getting into this industry.
And I'm like, I come across as a gatekeeper or
arrogant or whatever else because I'll make jokes or quips
or whatever, and they take it personal.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You can't take anything personal in us. And I said,
is this That's why I say it's about this building relationships,
so they don't take anything personal. Because one thing I'm
gonna do, I'm gonna make fun of you.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Like, that's one thing I'm gonna make fun of my teammates.
We're gonna keep it light because we work hard and
so we got to enjoy, you know, the day enjoy it,
like what else. I always love that. You know that
Harbor quote they used to say, who has it better
than us? Right, because at the end of the d
who does. Like we're playing football, who has it better
than us?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
To stop Prower?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And let's go play football?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
See Okay, see that that sounds great on the surface.
But for me early on in my career, I had
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Okay yeah, And there was no coddling, holding your hand.
It was none of those things.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
And I mean to this day, I look at Coach
Parcels as.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
A father figure. I texted before I came.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
In today talking about the whole Aaron Glenn situation and
getting the job with the Jets, and that was kind
of a different time. There was a lot of things
that you can do and you can say as coaches
and parents that you can't you can't do it say
right now because it's there's trouble that comes along with it.
But I will say this, being around ourselves and going
through what I went through in New York as a
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young player, it kind of set the table for me
moving forward. If there was nothing another coach or anyone
in the media could ever say about me as a player,
especially after you have to endure what it is like
to be around Bill Parsons.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I have Bill collar argue nothing that I have a
if nothing, there's nothing's nothing that you can say to me.
And I have not heard they'll call Cally about nothing.
And I was going to say him, I credit him
a lot with like me with the success I've gotten
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and like the way I where I've gotten to today is
because I've had to build that tough skin. Because I'm
just saying nowadays, like man, it'll be hr and call.
But that's just that's just the reality of what the
world is. And you know, the dinosaurs are the ones
that don't get with the program. You know, you keep
trying to make it something that is. You know, we
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keep we can keep talking about the past all we
want to, but this is what it is now. So
how are we going to be successful in today's age?
And I think that's a struggle that a lot of
coaches have to deal with. But I'm telling you it
starts and it's not just in football, but it's not everything.
But in football, it starts in college and really high
school because they have to they have to beg you
to come to these schools now and they come with
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the checkbook and I am.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And now you have these guys who they just transferred
from school to school and they don't actually fight through
any adversity and so yeah, and that's why when you
get to the league, the league is nothing but adversity.
And that's literally what the NFL is and so and
that's why you see a lot of these new age
college guys that's flame out very quickly.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's it's funny to watch because I think I was
talking with a guy who's got a general manager job
in last couple of years, but his process and his
approach to scouting, and I've used sort of that quote
on this show before. That's you know, you can you
can put the tape on. You tell a guy can
play at twenty plays. What's his mindset going to be?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What's this guy? What? What kind of person is this guy?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
What's his practice habit? It's gonna be like, is this
guy coast to buy on on his superior.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Athleticism in college against guys that half of them are
going to be selling insurance in a couple of years
versus you know.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Getting the league where everybody is the best at what
they did.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, it's just I don't think it's it's a whole
different game now. And you know, I just think that
when you're not the big fish, you know, the big fish,
you know, you can get away with a little bit
more even though you're not, you know, not technically as
supposed to.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But when you get to the league, you know, cause
Miles Garrett get away with more. No you.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No, you know. The thing is like the basing I
always say with us on the Browns, especially in the
D line, is that we are very self governed, like
if you do something, you're going to hear it from
one of us. But we had a veteran D line.
We had Zadarius Smith that was year ten before you
got traded, Alvin Thomas since your eight Oblak Rock Rose
year seven, Miles is year eight, you know what I mean.
Then me have Quentin Jefferson who was year ten also,
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so before you got before you went to the Buffalo.
So we were very like, you know, some teams that
you can self govern if you have the leadership to
do it, and those I feel like are more. You
get more out of that than just the coach telling
you over and over and over again, and you need
to do something. And so I feel like if we
were a big self government governing team. Okay, all right, well.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Shelby, I appreciate you coming in here, sor we break.
We appreciate you coming in here and all that. But
looking forward to I've been looking forward to hearing you
all in the afternoon show. It's been great sound and
so fall in and I look forward chatting gets soon.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, appreci did you happen?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Brocos Country Night goes back after this?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Rick?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
What the funk is going on? Brother?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Hey Ben?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And Nick? What the funk? Grant told me you're wearing
capris and winter that's true.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I've got some some sweatpants that are a little snug
that show off a little ankle.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But look, if you got it flown it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's nuts. Those are not sweatpants.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I mean, I mean, I think we need to get
a tape measure out to actually measure.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna have to go to hr with where you go.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I'm telling you that from your shoes to where your pants.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Actually, here's a good three and a half to four
inches of ankle being shown here, maybe maybe even maybe
even getting up to upper calf.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's that is being exhibited right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know what, I remember when you went to a
game in Los Angeles a couple of years ago with us.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's the same ones you were.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah, you were walking around downtown l A in these
capri Yeah this is.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
The same pants.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah, you were getting some interesting looks. I don't know
if you noticed, but uh, and it wasn't for.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Women to be fair the part of LA we were in.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yes, exactly, the part of LA we were in. Oh,
you could be the capre pants and winter guy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know that for you.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, it's it's less fashion statement now and more of
if I've quit caring.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But I just I just grab what's comfortable, it's clean.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I had my laundrygegra was clean, came in and uh
that happened to be what was what was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Going on today? So uh yeah, but uh, if if.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It does suddenly get high water around here, I am
also prepared.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Well, you know what, you're an army vet. You always
got to be prepared, and I admire that about you.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's where the uh it's in. We'll get to something
of substance in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But the black V neck T shirts, like that's where
that came from.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is I literally just go out and every you know,
every January fedwear.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'll go buy twelve or fifteen black V neck t
shirts and put them in the drawer and I never
have to make a choice. Like when I wake up
in the morning, I just know I reach in here,
I know what I'm wearing. I don't have to worry
about it being mismatched.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I know what's in.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
There that's perfect. Because you're a bachelor. That's how you
should live as a bachelor. You don't have to worry
about it. You don't have anybody telling you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
What to wear.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
You don't have anybody laying close out for you. You
just open up your drawer, put on whatever you want,
even if it's capri pants and winner it is.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And that's the way I like to live my life.
So we'll see, say it goes. Rick's, how's the postseason
so far treating you?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know what? Honestly, I bored. You know, the the
football season is so consuming and so intense, and you know,
we all put a lot of work into it. And
I was telling Nick this over the weekend. We were
texting back and forth. I don't know what to do
with myself anymore. You know, I sit down at the computer,
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think I should be doing game prep or something, or
driving to the airport on the weekend for an away game. So,
you know, it's kind of an adjustment. You know, it's
a long season. We all love what we do, and
so now these next couple of weeks, you know, I'm
trying to get interested in NBA basketball, but I don't
(21:09):
think I'm gonna be able to do it. To me,
it's almost unwatchable. So once these these playoffs are over
and the Super Bowl's over, I got to get ready
for the draft because I just can't seem to enjoy
NBA basketball.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I'll tell you something that would definitely keep you busy.
How about the ongoing conversation in college football when it
comes to whether the SEC and the Big Ten are
somewhat equal. Like, I know you watched college college football,
but really quickly tell me your thoughts on that. And
(21:45):
that's kind of on the heels of Ohio State beating
Notre Dame for.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The National Channa.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah, you know, I saw a tweet today from Peter Burns.
I think he works for ESPN and he's a huge
see especially LSU and he made some tweets about, you know,
just shut up, guys about the Big Ten surpassing the SEC,
because that's not true. They had a couple of good years,
(22:13):
and I actually retweeted that and had a comment of
my own. I do think the Big Ten is equal
with the SEC at this point, and the Big Ten
is trending up while the SEC is trending down. And
you know what, I've got a feeling nick that trend's
(22:34):
going to continue for a bit because you have these
massive schools in the Big Ten, in these big cities,
and they've got a ton of money to spend on football.
And I think that's one reason. You know, since NIL
came into being in the transfer portal and everything else
that goes with it, they expanded college football playoffs. I
(22:56):
think you're going to see the Big Ten continue to
trend up and eventually surpass the SEC. I don't know
how you guys think about that. I know you're a
Georgia tech guy, but I think it's going that direction.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm a huge SEC hawk as well, so I do
think that there is something to that. As we get
conference consolidation, there's no longer a P five like the
PAC twelve is not part of the P five anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And so as these other conferences.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Get stronger, yeah, it is going to put them in
line with you know, with the the SEC has got
so many great schools in it that it's impossible for
you to, you know, to win through there. And now
these other conferences are kind of starting.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
To get that way.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, in the Big Ten. You know, I come from
Big ten countries, so I could be a little bit biased,
but I think the Big Ten is just a monster,
and I think they're going to continue to attract big
time athletes and offer them big time money. And I
don't think it's a coincidence that Michigan won at all
(23:56):
last year in Ohio State one of all this year.
I would be surprised if we'll have State Wizard again
next year because they're that good. So I think they're
turning up and I'm all for it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, Rick, I had to ask you this question because
I mean, you're and Dave call a lot of games,
and you go from city, city, you know, state and
state when it comes to calling a lot of NFL games.
And this past weekend we saw some really competitive games,
but we also saw some things that have recently come
into question, I guess on a much larger scale, and
(24:28):
that is officiating. What do you think about the whole
conversation that maybe there are some bias treatment being provided
to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, when you're as great as Patrick Mahomes
and you've had the run that they've had as a
football team, I think that kind of goes with the territory.
You know, Patrick Mahomes is going to get calls that
other quarterbacks aren't going to get, certainly young quarterbacks like
a Bone Nicks and seeing it happen more and more. Now,
(25:02):
does that mean the league wants Patrick Mahomes and the
Chiefs to win the Super Bowl? I don't think so.
But I think these guys officiating the games, you know,
they might look at him just a little bit different
because he's Patrick Mahomes, you know, and he's always talking
to him. He's always got their ear and they listen.
(25:23):
If he wasn't Patrick Mahomes, they would just turn their
back on him and tell him to shut up and
play football. So I do think there's something to that,
and it's starting to become pretty apparent, and you do
hear a lot of people talking about it. Now. It's
going to be really interesting this game coming up against
the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty hard for me to not
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pick the Chiefs because they have Patrick Mahomes, and they're
playing at home, and they do seem to get the
breaks by the officials. I have a hard time picking
against them, is what I'm saying. It's totally lose. I
think it's going to be the Chiefs super Bowl to
give away or win.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, that's the same way I tend to look at it, too,
is as stars get the calls. You can look at
any sport, look at basketball. You know, people used to complain.
Tom Brady used to get the same things. I wonder
if you know bo Nix turns into what the fan
base thinks that he will be ultimately, if the if
all of a sudden, it will be the same, if
both starts getting those calls, if the complaints from the
Denver faithful will be as loud at that point. But
that's an intellectual exercise for another time. Rick, you got
(26:28):
some shows coming up here, soon, don't you.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Coming up? The next one is February first, at the
what do they call it? The National Western Complex.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The Stop Colorado.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, it's where they hold the stock show. This is
the Colorado Motorcycle Expo. No, it's a two day event
and my band is headlining Saturday evening and then March first,
we're playing with a band out of Chicago, the Freddie
Jones Band. They had a couple of big hits in
the nineties and we're playing with them at the Wild
(27:02):
Goose in Parker And so you guys got to come out.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I'll get you.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Some bongos, some congus, anything you want. Just come out
play a little rhythm with us.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, Dick is a big fan of the triangle. He
has a little the triangle thing. He's apparently he keeps
bragging about his prowess with the with the triangle.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
So yes, I'll get a triangle for Nick. I'll even
put his initials on it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I was told to ask if the shows are going
to be freaky super freakyow.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Rick James. Yeah, we looked for his house in Buffalo
when we were out there, and then when I was
on the show last week, we were talking about him,
and of course Grant he saved that and he's going
to play that for the next five years. I'm under radio.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, absolutely, that is on our soundboard forever. I'm looking
forward to it, man, and look forward to get on
some of those shows. I'll get out to the Motorcycle
Expo show I can.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I can probably make that.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
We'll see Okay, guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We'll absolute take care.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Rickolas Colour, analyst of the Denver Broncos at a coaching hire,
announced today obviously Aaron Glenn there to the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now last Newmark who.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Interviewed with him yesterday was not officially extended offer. The
Jets are going to do a second interview with Broncos
Darren Mougie for that job. So Mujie's going to get
an opportunity in that job as well. But Aaron Glenn
is going to be the head coach there in New York.
And then we saw a firing today after Liam Cohen
(28:31):
announced he was going back to Tampa and taking a
pay raise. Shot con fired Trent Bunk down there in Jacksonville.
And I will say that Banky was the impediment to
a lot of people being interested in what would otherwise
be a pretty good job. Given you've already got a
quarterback on a lot of cap space.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
With all that being said, Ben, you got to think
about it.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
If you are going into a situation where there is
a coaching vacancy and let's just say you might be
a head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
They already have a GM in place.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
You've had a time to watch that GM and how
they kind of navigated that roster.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Was it competitive?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Did you see guys going out there and give in
their all and you say, okay, well does that guy
match what I want to do walking in? And I
think it's really important, especially when you look at what's
happening with the Raiders and Tom Brady and him bringing
over someone spy Tech that he is used to.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is there an irony there and Tom Brady wanting somebody
named spy Tech?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
But there's so many different ways that one can go
with it, and it might be appealing to Tom with
the host spy Tech where he could kind of play
into that. But it just shows that you want to
make sure that you are around like minded people, people
who are looking to attain the same thing you are.
And I know that sounds absurd because it's like, well,
(29:54):
every head coach, every team, every organization, they are trying
to win and I don't believe every team in the
league is.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trying to win.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Some coaches are just trying to just stay relevant. Like
Thomas de Metrov, I mean, just blew everyone's mind last
year when he opened up a can and say, well,
everyone's not trying to win.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
He said the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He did.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. But
if Darren is able to go to New York for me,
because I spent a small amount of time during my
coach my scouting internship around top at the Denver Broncos,
I would believe that they're in good hands. Both he
and a g would definitely be able to work as
a cohesive unit.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean, and that's that's the thing. I think
Darren Moochis could do a great job. You know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I would hate to lose him here. And that's how
I know, like, wait a minute, well, I don't want
the you know, he's gonna do a great job because
I don't want to lose to me here, right, So
that that that interested me that the Jets went ahead
and hired Aaron Glenn, but did not necessarily grab his
preferred general manager candidate and are bringing you know, a
Broncos guy back in for a second interview, a couple
other things, you know, news and notes. I will say,
(31:04):
as far as Aaron Glenn goes, the Broncos are probably
losing another special teams coach as Chris Banjo is probably
going to join Aaron Glenn's staff.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, once again, I'm happy for Chris being a former
being a former player. And it's it's rare that as
soon as you walk off the field, turn right around.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yes, and here's a connection right here. So if you
if you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What is it the mental gymnastics here, yes, the six
degrees of separation, the Kevin McCain, Yes, you think about
Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
When I played in New York, our special teams coach
was Mike.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Westoff and Chris Banjo played for Mike west Off in
New Orleans under Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Payton, where Aaron Glenn was also the dbast.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Coach exactly, So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And you won't be able to get Mike west Off probably, No,
I'm gonna tell you that right now that that part
is not gonna happen. But if you can get a
by product of Chris Banjo, and guess what, there's.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Another the sidle of Mike west Up, who was just
released right now exactly So, how hard would it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Be because Ben Chris was Ben caught, Wicker's assistant would be.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Odd to take the assistance? Would I don't know that
I would do that necessarily. Plus I think he's gonna
have offers. I think is gonna be on the end
up on the Washington staff. We'll see, We'll see how
that goes. But that would that would sorta ofly be interesting.
We get a lot to get to it. We come
back and go inside the numbers of Brian Michael. You
listen to the Broncos Country Night, Can't Wait
Shelby Harris, thank you for sticking around for a semon air.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Grand Smith back. They're the greatest mustache in the game.
Still jealously every time I just look at just by
jealousy every day.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I told you what you can do because I can't
run wais.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
From hair look like a dog with the.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I mean, if you can cut hair from somewhere else
and put it on your face, I'm good on that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Okay, yeah, because I mean my best option there shaving
the hassle hall to make it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Look like that long.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm sure you have a very long armpit hair. You
can do something.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
No one's gonna know the difference, man, I will. I
won't tell anyone.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Everyone would know the difference.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And me with a mustache is not to look anybody
needs a gamer. We've seen like look, if anybody has
brought more bad looks out in this market than I
have and owned them, well, we.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Were just talking about I just wish people could see
his ankles right now, because they're all.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's all out. I got my best yoga pants.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
On to say where I grew up, Well, we would
say about your pants, we would say you were flooding. Yeah,
that's the guy, which says it is kind of a style.
I mean I've seen guys dressing the league like that always.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But you know, hey, whatever, whatever floats your boat exactly
what we call it flooding.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm just floating your boat.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Five six, sixth nights Sex on Big Show, and I
shall be in here for a little bit. We got
Rick Lewis six thirty, Rye Michael seven or five.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Of course the NFL six back a little bit later.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Uh hey man, well, you know, it's been a minute since.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I guess it's like yesterday, but I mean it's since
I really really saw you out here in Denver, other
than at the you know, the Browns game, which uh.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know, we just.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Decided on the field.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, I was like, Shabby's bigger than me, He's faster
than me. I got a whole lot of jokes that
I can't make it. At the end of the day,
it's a team game. It happens. You went something, you
lose something. I mean, you did you enjoying uh this
part in your career. I mean you, I'm a long
way from the you know, the Raiders, which I think
we can all hate on here and drafting you the
same year the draft of Derek Carr, you call it
(02:07):
long waits instead, And you know, how are you enjoying.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
At this stage of your career?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I'm just I'm truly just blessed to still be playing,
you know, the game of football and get paid money
for it, you know what I mean, Like I get
to set my family up for life just playing a
game that I love. Like I'm truly just lucky. I
get to go do something that I wake up excited
to do every day. And you know, it's just, you know,
obviously it's getting towards the end of the of the career,
(02:32):
going into year twelve, and it's only so much, so
much longer. You I want to do this because I
want to be with my family. I want to you know,
be there raising my kids. You know, I want to
really be dad. And so honestly, I'm just living to dream,
still just enjoying everything.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Here's a question that everyone always asks me, like, when
you get to that stage of your career where you
know that it's starting to come on the down slope
of it, how did how easy is it for you
to deal with younger players who are coming in and
they're not taking the game as serious as you're taking.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Man, I just shake the head a lot. You know.
You try to try to put the young guys on
game because I don't want them to have to go
through some of the stuff that I have to go
through being cut, you know, almost eight times, and and
you know, being on all these different teams, if ire
really stuck, and I just try to fix, you know,
try to tell them the where I messed up at
and where they can be better. If you don't listen,
(03:25):
all I can do is to shake my heads because
I'm trying to help.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But how many of those guys actually like they now
their head like they got it, but they didn't walk away,
Like yeah you might, you might if.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You But the way you got to look at it
is if you can reach one, you did. You did
your part, you know what I mean, Like you still
just have to do my veteran duties of informing players,
let them know. Like I'm the Union reps, so we
all talked to them all about their form one k's
the pensions and you know, you just have to take
on that fatherly role because you know, at the end
of the day, there's a lot of these guys are
(03:56):
just kids still well.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and there's a sense of there's a there's a
sensitive and more talent when you're younger that you don't
I mean, you don't's just no conceptualize you talk about
four O k's and everything. That just made me laugh
because I remember being in the army and trying to
get these guys just through life insurance.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Make you're in the army, you need life insurance, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
These guys like, oh, but I'd rather have the eighteen
bucks in my helm onth of my in my check
or what.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm like, Bro, that's the stupidity. I know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's just you know, and I'm remember like trying to
talk to these you know, these privates or whatever, be like,
what you're an idiot, like, just just take the life
insurance so I I can. I can recall that that
sort of immortality. I guess, so that you that faux
immortality mindset, I guess you have. The older you get,
you kind of fall out of that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But even just in the football aspect of it, I'm
trying to break it down how I look at the
game and just the simple simple things like a lot
of the a lot of young players just don't realize
if a team doesn't run same side runs and then
shotgun you you have a limited amount of blocks that
you can get when when the back's on one side
or the other. And that makes the game so much
(04:56):
simpler from before the snap you you know what I mean.
It's this little stuff that you try to like put
on to the younger guys so that maybe they become
a better pro quicker than you did, but.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
More efficient, you know.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But it's like I always tell everyone, it's enough money
out there for everybody. You know, there's no reason to
gate keeping anything. There's no reason to do anything like
that because if I get enjoyment out of seeing like
my young guys succeed, Like when Draymont went to Seattle
and got paid, I was hyped because that was my rookie,
you know what I mean, Like when I was like
when d Walk, when like when de Walk went when
DeMarcus Walker went in and finally got paid, and I
(05:32):
was extremely happy for him because there's somebody that we
have all worked with when he first got here in
Denver and kind of helped, you know, I feel like
molt these guys and so as that's my job as
a vet is to try to just pass it on
and really like help help the guys out as.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Your coaching tree.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Tree.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Here's the thing LBC, with the guy what you're describing
right now, I wish it was like that when I
came into the league, because veteran guys would tell us
the wrong thing, so we would mess up to give
them somewhat of an upperhand.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I had that too, too, and that's why I am
the way I am because I had such a like
I feel like I didn't have the support that I
felt like I needed as a young player from the
older players. They were more worried about trying to stick
in the league in another year or two, or they
were worried about themselves. But like I said before, there's
enough money. If you're a good player, you'll find a
place to go. And it's all about just helping the
(06:27):
next man, You know what I mean. It's it doesn't
make any sense. It's too much hate too me haters
the league right now. That's what I tell being all
the time every night when we're on. I can't help that.
It needs to be more. We need to help each out,
each help each other out a lot more in the
league because I feel like the quality of the game
(06:50):
is starting to deteriorate a little bit. You know, Quarterbacks
aren't starting to get, you know, as advance as they
need to. Offenses aren't clicking like they need to. Defenses are,
you know, are starting to come better, but only in
some aspects. But I think that's a case of the
older players not leaving, you know, leaving that mark on
the younger players on how to study. You know, it's
(07:14):
so much like the game is so much deeper than
what you know it is when you first come into
the league that it takes us to really help teach
the game more than we could get through, kind of
better than coaches can. But this is why for me,
when I came from New York and I came here being.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
In locker room with some of those guys who were
on the back to back Super Bowl team, and McCaffrey
was pretty much in some of the last couple of
years of his career, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It was Rod Smith.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
A lot of those guys because they went through the
meat Rider, they understood what it was like to be
a player. They were willing to give that information and
when I say information, not just that information.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
About the x's and o's. But about the game of life.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I remember when Brandon Marshall was drafted here and did
was Koch Shanahan put his locker right next to Rod
Smith for a reason because he knew coming out of
college there were certain things that v Marshall had issues with,
and he thought being around a guy like Rod would
help change his overall perception. Now, I would say that
(08:17):
it helped to a small extent, because we're all men
and sometimes we don't want to listen to things or
that other people are saying.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's like you mean, Rod passed me on the way
coming in, and it's great to see guys like that
still here in Denver, still involved in the community, but
still looking to give back.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I hope, and this doesn't happen that often, but.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I hope with the level of experience and success that
the team had this year, they look to bring into
Rod Smith so he can talk to that team.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
This is a young team too, I mean the Broncos
young football third youngest by age in the league. Not
a lot of that kind of stuff, and you would
hope that those guys, guys like yourself, that attitude would
be pervasive with those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
In passing the legacy on and building on that what showed.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
In the playoffs, you know what I mean, Like it's
just a mindset I guess that veteran guys just have
where we don't care how many times you punch it
in their mouth, We're going to punch you back. And
it's kind of teaching the young guys that, man, you've
got to shout out all the other stuff and not
worry about it and go play your game because you
have ten of your brothers on that side of the
ball are depending on you doing your job. And I
(09:29):
think when you look at it like that, when you
look at it where you have a you know, abandoned brothers,
your hold, your defense is waiting is looking at you
to do your job, and if you don't do your job,
you're letting your guys down. And like sometimes that's how
you have to get through the players. Know, like you
have a job. Yes it's in your individual, but if
you go and do an individual thing, you're screwing over
(09:51):
the collective and it takes that's when you do you
have the vets that come up and they call you
out and be like, man, what the hell are you doing.
You can't do that to other Like we're playing for you,
you got to play for us too, And that's what
you go through training camp for. That's really the main point,
I guess of training camps and OTA is to build
that camaraderie so that when it when it does, when
it does get tough, you can call your fellow man
(10:12):
out and be like, hey, we need you to do better.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We had a we had a say in the army,
and I'm quite sure it applies to uh, you know
to what you guys are going through in the NFL,
and that's you make your best friends in hell, right,
you make your best friends when you sweat it out
the training camp, you make your best friends.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And you know it basic training. When you're sweating at you're.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Just miserable, But you're miserable together, right because you're in
pursuit of a common goal.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And so like it does build that a spree to
core that camaraderie.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That that that kind of thing is that is that
your experience in a league?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, I've always said that we everyone in the NFL
comes from different walks of life. Everybody comes from a
different place, and honestly, the only reason we're all together
is because we're all trying to achieve the common goal.
And the only way that you can feel like you
can address a teammate or somebody that is you have
to actually have to get to know them. You have
to have that common respect that when you do, especially
(10:58):
in this young this new age now where it's a
little softer, you know, just as like you just you know,
you have to find ways to communicate with this younger
generation or you're a hater, you know what I mean,
Like like, oh, you're a hater. So you have to
find a way to communicate with the younger generation. And
so that causes you to actually have to get closer
(11:18):
to them personally, so that when you do call them out,
they know you're not coming from a place of hate.
You're coming from a place of you know, we just
want us to be as good as we can be.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Some of these guys is so dunk and highs soft,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like I mean, like Nick, not like you're the little
to I, but we come from a similar generation. Your
mindset feels like it's part of that generation, you know,
like the roast culture man, Like I loved it like
you guys were flamingo.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I love it, Like, I'm never going to take offense
to any of that I got.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You know, we were talking during the break I got
jacked by Aaron Patrick in the locker room form pair
of jeans I wore one time, and I'm sure you
remember they were terrible. They still get this legendary jenies
below in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But I mean to say, it's like, you can you
can handle that, Like it's where was having to talk.
I think we're talking with the day the other day
and he was, you know, he made a joke about
the midget chair or whatever, you know, and and he's liked, oh,
you didn't get offended.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But and I'm like, no, man, it's some micro like no, Like.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I ankles are out as cold as cold as hell outside. Look,
I'm just like going, you gotta got a phone.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's like the guys that took the shirt off on
the bay watching slow motion. That's what I got, those
kind of ankles.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I'm just surprised you don't wear your typical short pants. Yeah,
you have seen the short pants I got in the
short pants.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It looks like a pair of pair trunks because yes,
I'm comfortable in there. I don't care. Like I was
telling you, Yesterda, I had forty and I just said,
bleep it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So no, that's well, that's that's tough because I got
seven more years.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Just counted down man telling you. But I mean there
is there is a disconnect there.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There is a disconnect between and I'm gonna call it
our generation, but that the collective mindset I think in
the approach to these kinds of things, because I do
find myself struggling at times to communicate with guys that
are half my age that are getting into this industry.
And I'm like, I come across as a gatekeeper or
arrogant or whatever else because I'll make jokes or quips
or whatever, and they take it personal.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You can't take anything personal in us. And I said,
is this That's why I say it's about this building relationships,
so they don't take anything personal. Because one thing I'm
gonna do, I'm gonna make fun of you.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Like, that's one thing I'm gonna make fun of my teammates.
We're gonna keep it light because we work hard and
so we got to enjoy, you know, the day enjoy it,
like what else. I always love that. You know that
Harbor quote they used to say, who has it better
than us? Right, because at the end of the d
who does. Like we're playing football, who has it better
than us?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
To stop Prower?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And let's go play football?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
See Okay, see that that sounds great on the surface.
But for me early on in my career, I had
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Okay yeah, And there was no coddling, holding your hand.
It was none of those things.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
And I mean to this day, I look at Coach
Parcels as.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
A father figure. I texted before I came.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
In today talking about the whole Aaron Glenn situation and
getting the job with the Jets, and that was kind
of a different time. There was a lot of things
that you can do and you can say as coaches
and parents that you can't you can't do it say
right now because it's there's trouble that comes along with it.
But I will say this, being around ourselves and going
through what I went through in New York as a
(14:31):
young player, it kind of set the table for me
moving forward. If there was nothing another coach or anyone
in the media could ever say about me as a player,
especially after you have to endure what it is like
to be around Bill Parsons.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I have Bill collar argue nothing that I have a
if nothing, there's nothing's nothing that you can say to me.
And I have not heard they'll call Cally about nothing.
And I was going to say him, I credit him
a lot with like me with the success I've gotten
(15:07):
and like the way I where I've gotten to today is
because I've had to build that tough skin. Because I'm
just saying nowadays, like man, it'll be hr and call.
But that's just that's just the reality of what the
world is. And you know, the dinosaurs are the ones
that don't get with the program. You know, you keep
trying to make it something that is. You know, we
(15:28):
keep we can keep talking about the past all we
want to, but this is what it is now. So
how are we going to be successful in today's age?
And I think that's a struggle that a lot of
coaches have to deal with. But I'm telling you it
starts and it's not just in football, but it's not everything.
But in football, it starts in college and really high
school because they have to they have to beg you
to come to these schools now and they come with
(15:49):
the checkbook and I am.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And now you have these guys who they just transferred
from school to school and they don't actually fight through
any adversity and so yeah, and that's why when you
get to the league, the league is nothing but adversity.
And that's literally what the NFL is and so and
that's why you see a lot of these new age
college guys that's flame out very quickly.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's it's funny to watch because I think I was
talking with a guy who's got a general manager job
in last couple of years, but his process and his
approach to scouting, and I've used sort of that quote
on this show before. That's you know, you can you
can put the tape on. You tell a guy can
play at twenty plays. What's his mindset going to be?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What's this guy? What? What kind of person is this guy?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
What's his practice habit? It's gonna be like, is this
guy coast to buy on on his superior.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Athleticism in college against guys that half of them are
going to be selling insurance in a couple of years
versus you know.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Getting the league where everybody is the best at what
they did.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, it's just I don't think it's it's a whole
different game now. And you know, I just think that
when you're not the big fish, you know, the big fish,
you know, you can get away with a little bit
more even though you're not, you know, not technically as
supposed to.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But when you get to the league, you know, cause
Miles Garrett get away with more. No you.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No, you know. The thing is like the basing I
always say with us on the Browns, especially in the
D line, is that we are very self governed, like
if you do something, you're going to hear it from
one of us. But we had a veteran D line.
We had Zadarius Smith that was year ten before you
got traded, Alvin Thomas since your eight Oblak Rock Rose
year seven, Miles is year eight, you know what I mean.
Then me have Quentin Jefferson who was year ten also,
(17:28):
so before you got before you went to the Buffalo.
So we were very like, you know, some teams that
you can self govern if you have the leadership to
do it, and those I feel like are more. You
get more out of that than just the coach telling
you over and over and over again, and you need
to do something. And so I feel like if we
were a big self government governing team. Okay, all right, well.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Shelby, I appreciate you coming in here, sor we break.
We appreciate you coming in here and all that. But
looking forward to I've been looking forward to hearing you
all in the afternoon show. It's been great sound and
so fall in and I look forward chatting gets soon.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, appreci did you happen?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Brocos Country Night goes back after this?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Rick?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
What the funk is going on? Brother?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Hey Ben?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And Nick? What the funk? Grant told me you're wearing
capris and winter that's true.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I've got some some sweatpants that are a little snug
that show off a little ankle.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But look, if you got it flown it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's nuts. Those are not sweatpants.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I mean, I mean, I think we need to get
a tape measure out to actually measure.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna have to go to hr with where you go.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I'm telling you that from your shoes to where your pants.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Actually, here's a good three and a half to four
inches of ankle being shown here, maybe maybe even maybe
even getting up to upper calf.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's that is being exhibited right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know what, I remember when you went to a
game in Los Angeles a couple of years ago with us.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's the same ones you were.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah, you were walking around downtown l A in these
capri Yeah this is.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
The same pants.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah, you were getting some interesting looks. I don't know
if you noticed, but uh, and it wasn't for.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Women to be fair the part of LA we were in.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yes, exactly, the part of LA we were in. Oh,
you could be the capre pants and winter guy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know that for you.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, it's it's less fashion statement now and more of
if I've quit caring.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But I just I just grab what's comfortable, it's clean.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I had my laundrygegra was clean, came in and uh
that happened to be what was what was.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Going on today? So uh yeah, but uh, if if.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It does suddenly get high water around here, I am
also prepared.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Well, you know what, you're an army vet. You always
got to be prepared, and I admire that about you.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's where the uh it's in. We'll get to something
of substance in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But the black V neck T shirts, like that's where
that came from.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is I literally just go out and every you know,
every January fedwear.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'll go buy twelve or fifteen black V neck t
shirts and put them in the drawer and I never
have to make a choice. Like when I wake up
in the morning, I just know I reach in here,
I know what I'm wearing. I don't have to worry
about it being mismatched.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I know what's in.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
There that's perfect. Because you're a bachelor. That's how you
should live as a bachelor. You don't have to worry
about it. You don't have anybody telling you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
What to wear.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
You don't have anybody laying close out for you. You
just open up your drawer, put on whatever you want,
even if it's capri pants and winner it is.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And that's the way I like to live my life.
So we'll see, say it goes. Rick's, how's the postseason
so far treating you?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know what? Honestly, I bored. You know, the the
football season is so consuming and so intense, and you know,
we all put a lot of work into it. And
I was telling Nick this over the weekend. We were
texting back and forth. I don't know what to do
with myself anymore. You know, I sit down at the computer,
(20:48):
think I should be doing game prep or something, or
driving to the airport on the weekend for an away game. So,
you know, it's kind of an adjustment. You know, it's
a long season. We all love what we do, and
so now these next couple of weeks, you know, I'm
trying to get interested in NBA basketball, but I don't
(21:09):
think I'm gonna be able to do it. To me,
it's almost unwatchable. So once these these playoffs are over
and the Super Bowl's over, I got to get ready
for the draft because I just can't seem to enjoy
NBA basketball.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I'll tell you something that would definitely keep you busy.
How about the ongoing conversation in college football when it
comes to whether the SEC and the Big Ten are
somewhat equal. Like, I know you watched college college football,
but really quickly tell me your thoughts on that. And
(21:45):
that's kind of on the heels of Ohio State beating
Notre Dame for.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The National Channa.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah, you know, I saw a tweet today from Peter Burns.
I think he works for ESPN and he's a huge
see especially LSU and he made some tweets about, you know,
just shut up, guys about the Big Ten surpassing the SEC,
because that's not true. They had a couple of good years,
(22:13):
and I actually retweeted that and had a comment of
my own. I do think the Big Ten is equal
with the SEC at this point, and the Big Ten
is trending up while the SEC is trending down. And
you know what, I've got a feeling nick that trend's
(22:34):
going to continue for a bit because you have these
massive schools in the Big Ten, in these big cities,
and they've got a ton of money to spend on football.
And I think that's one reason. You know, since NIL
came into being in the transfer portal and everything else
that goes with it, they expanded college football playoffs. I
(22:56):
think you're going to see the Big Ten continue to
trend up and eventually surpass the SEC. I don't know
how you guys think about that. I know you're a
Georgia tech guy, but I think it's going that direction.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm a huge SEC hawk as well, so I do
think that there is something to that. As we get
conference consolidation, there's no longer a P five like the
PAC twelve is not part of the P five anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And so as these other conferences.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Get stronger, yeah, it is going to put them in
line with you know, with the the SEC has got
so many great schools in it that it's impossible for
you to, you know, to win through there. And now
these other conferences are kind of starting.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
To get that way.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, in the Big Ten. You know, I come from
Big ten countries, so I could be a little bit biased,
but I think the Big Ten is just a monster,
and I think they're going to continue to attract big
time athletes and offer them big time money. And I
don't think it's a coincidence that Michigan won at all
(23:56):
last year in Ohio State one of all this year.
I would be surprised if we'll have State Wizard again
next year because they're that good. So I think they're
turning up and I'm all for it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, Rick, I had to ask you this question because
I mean, you're and Dave call a lot of games,
and you go from city, city, you know, state and
state when it comes to calling a lot of NFL games.
And this past weekend we saw some really competitive games,
but we also saw some things that have recently come
into question, I guess on a much larger scale, and
(24:28):
that is officiating. What do you think about the whole
conversation that maybe there are some bias treatment being provided
to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, when you're as great as Patrick Mahomes
and you've had the run that they've had as a
football team, I think that kind of goes with the territory.
You know, Patrick Mahomes is going to get calls that
other quarterbacks aren't going to get, certainly young quarterbacks like
a Bone Nicks and seeing it happen more and more. Now,
(25:02):
does that mean the league wants Patrick Mahomes and the
Chiefs to win the Super Bowl? I don't think so.
But I think these guys officiating the games, you know,
they might look at him just a little bit different
because he's Patrick Mahomes, you know, and he's always talking
to him. He's always got their ear and they listen.
(25:23):
If he wasn't Patrick Mahomes, they would just turn their
back on him and tell him to shut up and
play football. So I do think there's something to that,
and it's starting to become pretty apparent, and you do
hear a lot of people talking about it. Now. It's
going to be really interesting this game coming up against
the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty hard for me to not
(25:45):
pick the Chiefs because they have Patrick Mahomes, and they're
playing at home, and they do seem to get the
breaks by the officials. I have a hard time picking
against them, is what I'm saying. It's totally lose. I
think it's going to be the Chiefs super Bowl to
give away or win.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, that's the same way I tend to look at it, too,
is as stars get the calls. You can look at
any sport, look at basketball. You know, people used to complain.
Tom Brady used to get the same things. I wonder
if you know bo Nix turns into what the fan
base thinks that he will be ultimately, if the if
all of a sudden, it will be the same, if
both starts getting those calls, if the complaints from the
Denver faithful will be as loud at that point. But
that's an intellectual exercise for another time. Rick, you got
(26:28):
some shows coming up here, soon, don't you.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Coming up? The next one is February first, at the
what do they call it? The National Western Complex.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The Stop Colorado.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, it's where they hold the stock show. This is
the Colorado Motorcycle Expo. No, it's a two day event
and my band is headlining Saturday evening and then March first,
we're playing with a band out of Chicago, the Freddie
Jones Band. They had a couple of big hits in
the nineties and we're playing with them at the Wild
(27:02):
Goose in Parker And so you guys got to come out.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I'll get you.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Some bongos, some congus, anything you want. Just come out
play a little rhythm with us.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, Dick is a big fan of the triangle. He
has a little the triangle thing. He's apparently he keeps
bragging about his prowess with the with the triangle.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
So yes, I'll get a triangle for Nick. I'll even
put his initials on it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I was told to ask if the shows are going
to be freaky super freakyow.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Rick James. Yeah, we looked for his house in Buffalo
when we were out there, and then when I was
on the show last week, we were talking about him,
and of course Grant he saved that and he's going
to play that for the next five years. I'm under radio.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, absolutely, that is on our soundboard forever. I'm looking
forward to it, man, and look forward to get on
some of those shows. I'll get out to the Motorcycle
Expo show I can.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I can probably make that.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
We'll see Okay, guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We'll absolute take care.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Rickolas Colour, analyst of the Denver Broncos at a coaching hire,
announced today obviously Aaron Glenn there to the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now last Newmark who.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Interviewed with him yesterday was not officially extended offer. The
Jets are going to do a second interview with Broncos
Darren Mougie for that job. So Mujie's going to get
an opportunity in that job as well. But Aaron Glenn
is going to be the head coach there in New York.
And then we saw a firing today after Liam Cohen
(28:31):
announced he was going back to Tampa and taking a
pay raise. Shot con fired Trent Bunk down there in Jacksonville.
And I will say that Banky was the impediment to
a lot of people being interested in what would otherwise
be a pretty good job. Given you've already got a
quarterback on a lot of cap space.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
With all that being said, Ben, you got to think
about it.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
If you are going into a situation where there is
a coaching vacancy and let's just say you might be
a head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
They already have a GM in place.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
You've had a time to watch that GM and how
they kind of navigated that roster.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Was it competitive?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Did you see guys going out there and give in
their all and you say, okay, well does that guy
match what I want to do walking in? And I
think it's really important, especially when you look at what's
happening with the Raiders and Tom Brady and him bringing
over someone spy Tech that he is used to.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is there an irony there and Tom Brady wanting somebody
named spy Tech?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
But there's so many different ways that one can go
with it, and it might be appealing to Tom with
the host spy Tech where he could kind of play
into that. But it just shows that you want to
make sure that you are around like minded people, people
who are looking to attain the same thing you are.
And I know that sounds absurd because it's like, well,
(29:54):
every head coach, every team, every organization, they are trying
to win and I don't believe every team in the
league is.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trying to win.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Some coaches are just trying to just stay relevant. Like
Thomas de Metrov, I mean, just blew everyone's mind last
year when he opened up a can and say, well,
everyone's not trying to win.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
He said the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He did.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. But
if Darren is able to go to New York for me,
because I spent a small amount of time during my
coach my scouting internship around top at the Denver Broncos,
I would believe that they're in good hands. Both he
and a g would definitely be able to work as
a cohesive unit.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean, and that's that's the thing. I think
Darren Moochis could do a great job. You know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I would hate to lose him here. And that's how
I know, like, wait a minute, well, I don't want
the you know, he's gonna do a great job because
I don't want to lose to me here, right, So
that that that interested me that the Jets went ahead
and hired Aaron Glenn, but did not necessarily grab his
preferred general manager candidate and are bringing you know, a
Broncos guy back in for a second interview, a couple
other things, you know, news and notes. I will say,
(31:04):
as far as Aaron Glenn goes, the Broncos are probably
losing another special teams coach as Chris Banjo is probably
going to join Aaron Glenn's staff.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, once again, I'm happy for Chris being a former
being a former player. And it's it's rare that as
soon as you walk off the field, turn right around.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yes, and here's a connection right here. So if you
if you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What is it the mental gymnastics here, yes, the six
degrees of separation, the Kevin McCain, Yes, you think about
Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
When I played in New York, our special teams coach
was Mike.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Westoff and Chris Banjo played for Mike west Off in
New Orleans under Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Payton, where Aaron Glenn was also the dbast.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Coach exactly, So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And you won't be able to get Mike west Off probably, No,
I'm gonna tell you that right now that that part
is not gonna happen. But if you can get a
by product of Chris Banjo, and guess what, there's.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Another the sidle of Mike west Up, who was just
released right now exactly So, how hard would it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Be because Ben Chris was Ben caught, Wicker's assistant would be.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Odd to take the assistance? Would I don't know that
I would do that necessarily. Plus I think he's gonna
have offers. I think is gonna be on the end
up on the Washington staff. We'll see, We'll see how
that goes. But that would that would sorta ofly be interesting.
We get a lot to get to it. We come
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