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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
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hiring someone else. That happens to everyone, even white guys. Yes,
I'm bring the text.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
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it does suck when you're in that situation. But here's
what I like in it. Do really quickly. It's like
a hot shiit going out with you, right, no intention
to really date you, just one of that free meal,
but just free meal and make a fool of you. Yeah,
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And as Zachness on the break, would you be willing
to put yourself through that situation hotshit?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I probably wouldn't know. You're not You're not hot enough
for me to just you know, you know, unless we're
unless That's what I'm looking for is to be seen
with the you know. No, there's no there's no indgame there.
That's that's stupid for me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen, man, this is not the movie money Can't buy me. Well,
that's not what this is. Yeah, that's not what this is.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So to to that person you've been in a situation,
it's a long period of time, and you've been waiting
and you've been clawing your way up and paying your
dues and something happens like that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Nah, that's not good. Also, I just realized that I'm
the jerk. Like we realized during the break that I'm
the jerk. I have never interviewed for a job. I
haven't gotten like ever or haven't been offered the job.
Good for you and allbright guy, like I'm realizing, I like,
I'm going back through I was really trying to wreck
my brain to find one. Like I was like, Man,
I'm going all the way back to like high school,
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interviewed at the gap. So you were one of those dudes,
I guess I interviewed. Well, who knows. Let's find out.
I let's find out if I can actually ask questions. Well,
go with the Kayla Custer, the hotline prayer guy, Korvin Smith,
corb and how you.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Do it to see me?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Good t me guys, Yeah, when to have you on?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Man, you cover Pete Carroll obviously, Now he's in the
AFC West or as we call it, the early Bird
Special Bob Evans Division based on the ages of these coaches.
But you know, Pete has been a Uh, Pete has
been a guy that has had success for a long time,
not just for the Seahawks. Mean, obviously usc he spent
on a long time, but he's a different sort of guy.
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I mean everybody who talks about Pete is glowing as
if fusive in the praise, talking about his positivity, all
that kind of stuff. We get to see Russell Wilson
out here, we did not get to see Pete Carroll.
Now he's in the division. What can you tell us
about Pete Carroll?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, you want to talk about the perfect sin I
don't know that there is a personality that meshes better
with the Sin City than Pete Carroll. When this was
the rumor going around that they were looking at him,
I thought, with the energy that he brings, you know,
you hear the seventy.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Three going on twenty five, it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
With this guy. I mean, he's just got energy for days.
I remember going into the vMac, this is probably three
years ago. You get there early for training camp practices
and they've got a staircase that goes up like five
floors that is a bunch of switchbacks, and I come
in and this dude is sprinting up those stairs and
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just looks like he is like twenty five years old
doing it, and it was just it was just remarkable.
They're the guy. He is going to rub the positivity
energy on this team that they so badly needed. We
also get to see him and Jim Harbaugh against each
other again, which is going to be musty TV given
their history together.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Corbyn, I'm glad you brought that up because I remember
those days when USC and Stanford were going at one another.
And that's what I told Bim when he first brought
this issue up, and say that Pete Carroll could end
up landing in Vegas, I said, sign me a four.
But what do you say to those individuals who asked
the question, well, why would Tom Brady, Mark Davis and
the Raiders give a seventy three year old coach a
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three year contract because he's too Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is that such a thing in today's game?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I would understand the reservations if I didn't know what
Pete Carroll stood for. And just know, I mean to
me age of a number.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And again, this guy, it seems like there's so much
good football in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Front of him, and I thought that even when the Seahawks,
I understood why they moved on when they did. They
just were in a position. I think sometimes everything's got
to end to a certain point. But I could see
Pete Carroll coaching into his eighties. I mean, the guy
doesn't look like he's anywhere close to being ready to
step away. He clearly had an itch to.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Coach after sitting out this year.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think probably ten minutes after his final press conference
with Seattle media, he was probably confident the bit to
get back the coaching.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And the guy is just he was born to coach.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He is the ultimate competitor. And for those questioning this deal,
I mean, I just think at this point you got
to look at the resume and then you just got
to know who the person is.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I don't see any.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Reason to doubt that he's going to be able to
fulfill that three year contract, and I could see him
coaching significantly longer than that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Talking with Corbyn Smith's you can find him on Twitter
at Corpence with NFL. Pete Carroll has coached eight seasons
across three different franchises, Jets, Patriots, Seattle, four losing seasons
in that span. That is that is an incredible and
incredible accomplishment there. Most of that came early on with
those first two franchises. When you look at this, the
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thing that I said when this this search started, I said, look,
they got two guys in mind here. It's Ben Johnson.
They don't get him as Pete Carroll. And I'm gonna
be honest with you, Pete Carroll scares me more because
he's a known commodity. I know he's going to make
the Raiders better. You look at this division al Suden,
You've got Adye Reid, you know, you got Jim Harball,
You've got Sean Payton, You've got Pete Carroll. This division
somebody's got to lose.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean, you're talking about the Super.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Bowl and National Championship Division. Every single one of these
coaches has at least one of those. It is probably
the best coaching division in the NFL now. And Pete
Carroll's got a lot of work in front of him.
But again, you look at what's been the struggle for
the Raiders. It's just been stale there for so long.
They have not been able to have a culture that
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can come in and really turn things around. And I
don't know that there's anybody out there in terms of
being charismatic and positive that is going to be able
to alter a culture overnight the way that Pete Carroll can.
And again, I just think the fit Pete Carroll in
Vegas just seems like an incredible fit. So ah, somebody's
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gonna have to lose this division right now. I would
still say that the Raiders are the worst team there,
but if Pete.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Can get himself a quarterback, they do have some pieces there.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And this guy has always been so good at getting
the best out of his players. I can see them
being a very difficult team to beat and being pesty
next year at leave at the minimum.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, being pesky is something that Tom Brady himself had
been in AFC for almost twenty plus years.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Now he is partner with the Pete Carroll What are
you seeing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The first year is always one of those questionable years because,
like you said, they still had to go find their quarterback.
But let's talk about you two possibly with these two
brilliant minds of I mean thinking about what Tom Brady
can bring, but also with the combination of Pee Carroll,
what was.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That What would that look like in year two?
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I think by year two, and honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Could even see this year. I just think that those
two guys, the personalities are so different, but yet they
have a lot of similarities, and I feel like there
is going to be a draw for free agents to
come to Vegas now, whereas I don't think the last
several seasons that has been the case. But I think
that you were talking about one of the most likable
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coaches out there. You get two winners at every level
they've been at. Tom Brady's been a winner, and then
you obviously Pete Carroll and he's been mentioned fourteen winning
seasons in eighteen years. The guy is as good of
a winner as there is in the National Football League.
I just think in year one, and especially in year
two especially they finished strong. This next season that is
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going to be a hot ticket team for free a
which I think is exactly what Mark Davis wants. He
wants the Raiders to have that restored shine where this
is where guys want to play.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
And I just think it also has the intrigue to
the fact.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That Pete Carroll grew up rooting for the Raiders too,
which is something that I remember him talking about several
times with the Seahawks. It's just it's a very fun fit.
But I think that it makes this franchise much more
marketable now with both those men being key members of
the front office and coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Ty with Corben Smith at Corben Smith NFL on Twitter. Okay,
the big question here's going to be the quarterback situation,
right is what is what are the Raiders going to do?
What does Pete Carroll look for in a quarterback? Because
you go back yet rush for most of that you
had Hasselbeck at the tail end of his career, and
then he had Tavoris Jackson for a season, and for
those who don't remember, Tavares is the ancient Caveman term
for the guy who couldn't throw the javelin accurate enough
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to hit the Holy Mammoth in the hunt. What does
Pete look for in a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He wants, first and foremost a guy that is going
to be a editor. He wants a quarterback that is
going to be tough, and he wants a quarterback that's
going to be able to take the shots downfield.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You look at his track record all the way back
to when he first.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Got into the college ranks. He has always had quarterbacks
that can take those shots downfield, and it's not necessarily
the biggest armed guys, but efficient passers downfield. Even Matt
hassel Beck his last year in Seattle was able to
make some of those throw still, but he loves those
shot plays, which has been a staple in Seattle, and
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that's kind of been maintained since he left too. But
the success that Gino Smith.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Had there, Russell obviously all those moonballs over the years.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There's components that he wants.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's a defensive coach. You look at his track record,
though quarterbacks consistently have played a higher level, and I
think a lot of it is just the confidence that
he instills in his players. You can see to the
quarterback position.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Tavars Jackson had arguably his best season in.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The en Fell his one year as a starter for
Pete Carroll.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
At USC, even when he didn't have Carson.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Palmer or Matt Weiner, mean John David Booty was a
Heisman contender.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
In his offense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The guy just he inspires players to play with confidence
and so no matter what direction they decide to go
at that position, I could see Russell reuniting him potentially
in Vegas. I could see them calling the Seahawks and
seeing if Gino Smith is available, because he loves Geno Smith.
They bring in a rookie, He's stone. He can do
that way back when Russell is a rookie. It's just
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it's the way that he handles things. He is able
to inspire confidence in his quarterbacks, and he's consistently had
good performance to that position.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
See for me being a defensive player. I mean, all
this talk is great.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But the first thing I'm thinking about brock Bauers and
the reason I'm thinking about brock Bauers because in Coach
Carroll's tenure in Seattle, I don't believe it. You can
correct me from wrong. Did he ever have a tight
end like this? And I'm thinking, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Graham for a minute.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I mean, Jimmy Van is no brod Bowers got only hard.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So I'm saying, for me defensively in living here in Denver,
bron Bauers was one of those guys that scares me.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But where in his career goal with the brilliant mind
of Carol.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
On that offense, I think that you're looking at a
generational tight end that Pete Carroll is going to have
no issue getting maximum result out of I mean the Seahawks,
And honestly, I think a lot of it was the
quarterback situation. Russell Wilson was never somebody that excelled attacking
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the middle of the field and a lot of times
that kept the tight ends out of the mix. And
Jimmy Graham scored.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Quite a few touchdowns, but Russ was one of the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Worst red zone fade throwers in the NFL too, so
that took a lot of Jimmy Graham's value out of
the out of the way.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So I think it depends a.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Lot in the quarterback situation.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
But if they traded for Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
For example, Gino Smith has had a lot of success
throwing the tight ends, and I Gare and Tee he'd
be targeting brock Powers a lot Pete Carroll's. He's consistently
been good at maximizing what his players are going to
bring to the table at the receiver position. And while
he's had good tight ends, they've had decent production, but
he's never had a tight end anywhere close to Brock Power.
So I would not think there's going to be any
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issues getting him involved and getting the football to him.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, the hallmarks of Pete Carroll, who has been that
strong rushing attack. The Raiders don't really have a lot
of great running backs on the roster right there. Do
you think that as you look at this thing and
how devoid of talent the Raiders are across the board.
Let's be honest, They've got some some outstanding pieces and
then a lot of very replaceable pieces. Do you think
that that Pete will pay special attention to that run
game early and trying to get that going and build
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off that before they find the quarterback or do you
believe they're going to be all in on trying to
get this thing all the way fixed right away.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, I anticipated that's going to be a big part
of getting this thing fixed. And I'm just going to
throw this out there for you guys, because I've covered
this Seahawks team for a long time. Pete Carroll has
always liked picking running back early in the draft. Astin
genty would not be a surprise if the Raiders picked
him in the first round he was available to him
even at picks six, because that guy is a generational
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running back and Pete Carroll, he's it's gonna be hard
to get the Raiders front off with the scouting guys
to get him off that ledge.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
If Ashton gent he.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Is available, they're given what they're lacking at running back,
and that would make life so much easier for whoever's
playing quarterback too. I just look at the history. He
likes picking running backs early. He loves elite.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Talents at that position.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It kind of is digging. A lot of guys are zagging.
But I think that is going to be a priority
for him along with getting the quarterback situation figured out.
Let's get an elite talent in the running back position.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
And this is really a good draft class to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
M hm, he really is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You'd get to running backs, you know, man, Broncos fans
would be sick. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They want they want Jandy. I don't think he's gonna
make it with the Broncos they're picking anyway, but that.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He's out of the top ten guys, I would be
absolutely stunned.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Same same, but that would would make Brongo fans sick
to see him go across the division there. What else
can you tell us? What else can you tell us
about Pete Carroll that we need to know that maybe
the national media or these national media articles don't convey.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I've already mentioned the quarterback thing is a huge thing
for me because I just think a lot of people
look at him and think he's an offensive coach, but
he's had so much success in that. I think the
one other thing that I would add, there's this misnomer
that Pete Carroll is that old school we're gonna run it,
run it and then throw it or run, run, run,
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get a pile of dust up. But the Seahawks consistently,
at least in the last five or six years that
he was in Seattle, they were consistently in the top
five in early down passing frequency. So he has really
changed in that regard, and part of it's been the
quarterbacks he's had and the weapons they've had a receiver.
But I think he is a much more more adaptable
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coach than what people give him credit for. A lot
of people say he's old, he's stuck in his ways.
For the most part, that is not true.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
This is a guy that is very malleable with what's
going on in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I think now that he's had a year away
from the league, you know he's been doing his research
on the side, seeing what things are going on. I
would expect that he's going to reinvent himself in some way,
shape or form here, because again, he is much more
adaptable than I think most people give him credit for.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, Corbyn, we appreciate you taking the time. We're all
interested to see this Pete Carroll higher here obviously here
in Broncos country. What that's gonna do. And like I said,
I'm worried those used to be two gumma games for
the Broncos. I don't think there's given me games in
the af West anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I don't think that that's going to be a
division where there's going to be edie gimmes games that
they're all going to be beating up on each other
and that's going to make.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
For some good entertainment, but it's also going to be
nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
For everybody to roots for teams in the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
By the way, appreciate you join us. You guys can
find him at Corbyn Smith NFL on Twitter and look.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
For checking in with you again to somebody, Thanks guys,
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It all right, Take care, CORDN Smith we'll be back
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My favorite podcast. We'll see if we can nominate that
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shut out five six, six, nine zeroes and text line, uh,
did you see the Mark Andrews stuff? Obviously, I think
everybody saw the game in which Mark Andrews critical miss
cues down the stretch may have cost and I say,
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may have the Ravens a game against the Bills. Mark
Andrews got on Instagram finally and broke his silence. He
did not make himself available to reporters following the team
locker room clear out or after the game, but he
did drop something on Instagram saying that he was devastated
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and that it was impossible to adde quickly express how
he feels. He's gutted by what happened, Devastated for teammates, coaches,
Ravens fans. I pore every out of my being into
playing at the highest level possible because I love my
team the game of football like nothing else. That is
why it is take me until now to collect my
thoughts and addresses publicly. In the hours then days that
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followed these kind of you know this, I guess we'll
call heartbreaking. Dropping the corner of the end zone heartbreaking
for Ravens fans. Teammates were out there off from praise,
words of encouragement. Try to put the moment in perspective.
You did get some vitrol from the dark corners of
the internet, but teammates and coaches humanized him. Some Bills fans, which,
by the way, Bills fans were the classes groups out there.
Every time they do this where they have something and
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somebody chokes against them, they get that player's charity and
they donate a bunch of money. Bills fans started raising
money for charity for juveniles with diabetes that Andrews supports,
and as of Thursday evening yesterday, more than one hundred
thousand dollars had been raised from thirty five hundred different donations.
Bills fans are awesome. Whenever you think of bills, fans
might jump through flaming tables and all that kind of stuff.
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There's some of the classiest people man when they beat you,
and that's just cool as far as that goes. What
did you think about it? First of all, Mark Andrews
took a lot of heat for what happened in that game,
some of which you know they have been deserved first
play on the field, but at the end of the day,
some of the vitriol felt a little out of bounds.
On the flip side of that, I really kind of
felt like Mark Andrews probably should have addressed it after
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the game or at the team locker room clear out,
not just on an Instagram thing where nobody can ask
any questions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, Ben, that was his prerogative on how he wanted
to handle the situation, and sometimes after an emotional loss
like that, you're trying to put it too in the
further read of your mind, even though you can't because
it's still right in your face. You're in the same stadium,
you're looking at the face of your guys, you're on
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the bus, you're on the plane and you want to
forget what happened, but it continues to run on a
twenty four hour loop.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
In your head as you replay every single play.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Now, that game took about, you know, four hours, you know,
you know, four quarters, three hours fourth So but the
thing about it, for Andrews, there was only two plays
that replayed in his mind or rewind.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was the fumble that set up a Bill's you.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Know, touchdown right, and then the drop of the two
point conversion that would have tied it at twenty seventh.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And at that point it would have been anyone's game.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And I know how difficult it is to be in
that situation, and I too said, look, man, Mark Andrews
should have caught that pass. And there was back and
forth on where LaMarche hose to throw the in that
particular time, and it wasn't in a proper place for
Mark Andrews. But I never thought that things would get
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to the point that they did. And this is where
I say that there's a difference between being a football
player and being a person.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And some fans forget what that thin line is. They
go over that line and there's threats and oh, your.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Bomb and all these extra things that are said about
you as a player, when those.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Same people, same people, they dream.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
They wish that they could be in that particular position.
So I don't like the fact that that vitriol was
just aimed in his direction like that. You can criticize
a performance, but don't make a.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Personal Yeah, exactly, And let me say, let me preface
that with this. I don't believe that Mark Andrews owes
the media to come out and say that. I'm saying
I believe that he should have, but he doesn't owe
anybody anything in terms of that other than what's league
mandated as far as that goes. So I want to
say that that's it. If I were marketing, I get it.
I mean, I've been there have been things in my
life where a bit bitterly disappointed in those kinds of things.
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I get it from that perspective. I get not wanting
to sit there in front of people and have your
life picked apart, especially in your darkest moment. You know
who wants that? Who wants to sit there and put
their their darkest moment under a magnifying glass for the
whole world to see and repeat it on loop over
and over again for their entertainment, their rating points, and
to sell more shaving cream in their commercial breaks. But
at the end of the day, you know you're going
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to have guys that are full of hot air sitting
there talking about this kind of stuff if the only
way you do it is one side blind where you
respond over Instagram, which I'm glad that athletes have that avenue.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I am glad that they have that. Now you don't
just have to go through media. I mean, it doesn't
make it more difficult for me to do my job. Sure,
I used to be, you know, being a newspaper columnist
or a radio analyst. Used to be the guy with
players came to to get their message out right, So
now they get their own avenue. So I'm glad for that,
even though it makes my job more difficult. Said, there
are times where you want to ask some questions, You
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want to ask some follow up questions that like like, honestly,
I want to ask mar Ketters how he's doing. I said, well,
I know you're not doing okay, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Like how are you how are you handling this right now?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Because man, that's that's not that's not usually how it works,
right because when a guy's in the locker room and
something goes wrong. No one's asking that question, how are
you doing? Case in point, playing it with the Denver
Broncos Monday night football. We're playing against Brett Fahr. Right,
We're in the cover three defense. Some reason dre Bly
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decides he wants to press, right. Yes, yes, he decided
to press a receiver and the receiver is a house call.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It just kind of puts you in the frame framework
of the.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Situation, and we had to fight to move back into position.
We get a great kickoff return, Jay Colin moves the team.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Down, We punch it in.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Now it's overtime. Now the Packers get the ball back first.
And in that instance, we're like, okay, well we're back
in this ball game. Back in the ball game.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So it put you in my frame of mind.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm sent, I'm sent on a blitz and I'm about
one step away from crushing Brett Fahr. And then he
launches the ball and all I could do is turn
around and watch it. And the receiver he threw it
to was Greg Jennings. Right, it was like a seventy
yard touchdown, and I didn't even chase Greg Jennings.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I walked past Brett.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Fall and walk to the side of line because there's
no way I was gonna catch Greg Jennings. But right
after the game, every single member of the Denver media
went to one locker and one locker only it was
dre Blig's locker. Yeah, and they asked. They didn't ask him,
how would you do one? The question was what was
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going through your head when you gave up that touchdown?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
My locker was right next to him.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It took every ounce of energy in me not to
say something. But this is how some in the media react.
So I can understand Mark Andrews not wanting to answer
questions because I'm believing that if he were to act,
if he were asked questions, he probably would have broke
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down emotionally because he felt as though if he took
that opportunity away from the team coach Harbaugh, but more
importantly Lamar.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So that's probably why he waited for social media.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Real quick, guys, some breaking news. It's about to break.
I don't know if it has broken yet, but Brian
Schottenneimer is officially being hired as the head coach the
Dallas Cowboys. So add that to the scorecard going conversation, Man,
you have no idea, due entires Mike McCarthy. You felt like,
I'm not wearing pants to work anymore? WHOA wait, Well,
(25:05):
can't nobody tell me nothing? You're gonna wear pants? And
it's about to get where some rap sheet and Jane
Slater are confirming what Ben just said. Uh Showenheimer officially
the new head coach of the Dats Convoys. Are you
not entertained?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Back to what you said though, like for me, but
I approached this job differently, like like for me, like
did I get that? I get that you're gonna have
the pack of wolves up there?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh God, I'm trying to think who it was. Oh,
I wish I could remember who it was. A couple
of years ago in ad locker room, and I remember
a couple of different guys coming to that player's defense.
It was a dB having had a bad day, and
I remember guys like Justin standing up, like all the
media was crowded around who the player was, and Justin
standing up saying was no him, wasn't no? You know,
like there were players standing up. It was good to
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see that. I haven't always seen that saw that in
that moment. I wish I could remember what player it
was and what play it was. It might have been tomorrow,
matthis it might have been older than that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I know Matthew Is when he first came in the league.
He had a rough one on them. Yeah, this ain't
it is large Now. This was a home game.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It was a night game.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
How long back it was a night game, I don't know,
three three four years ago maybe talking about the thing,
uh somebody where somebody gave something up or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It was when Sir Tan gave it up to DeVante
Adams win A night game is afternoon game. It was
when Sir Tan gave it up to Adams for the touchdown.
Everybody was in there, all focused on Sir Tan, you
know all this kind of stuff, and you had Jack
k Jack, you had you know, all those guys doing
the right thing in that moment. You wasn't know him,
you know. But I approach you different. I'm not sitting
there like what's going through your head when you're giving
an interception?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like that? Like for me, I have other questions I
want to know, like, hey man, you you all right,
you know you you okay, you're good.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
That question is not being asked in the locker room
because it's you gotta be PopEd, You got to be prodded.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Because everyone one feels as though they have to have that.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Sound bite, that sound bite to push them over somewhat
over the edge, and they want to ask that particular question.
In my time, there are people who ask what I
would deem to be stupid questions. So I didn't answer
the question at all.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And if you're trying to get the story, to get
the true answers to what happened, we all know what
happened in a given game.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You don't have to ask a guy in the secondary
well in the fourth quarter with time running out, what
was going through your mind when when you know the
touchdown was scored over you? We all saw that, right,
So for me, you're trying to elicit a response that
is going to be an angry response to help you. Oh,
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by the way, what to sound like to leave the
new Here's what Nick Ferguson saying, we have to give
it up a touchdown in the pivotal game. No, no,
but I would love and what you're describing more people
than the media to be more personable or have empathy,
be damn human.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But there's human in the moment that have some empathy,
and I'd like, hey, man, god's that sucks. I know
it sucks. I can't relate to how much it sucks
because I haven't ever fumbled the bag in front of
you know, seventy thousand people before, so I can't really
I can't even relate. But at the same time, it
was a man like you, okay, you know, if you
don't mind, you know, if you don't mind walking me
through this a little bit, like what was your what
was your thought? Who your decision in that process that
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led to that? And how are you going to I
know this, look back on this and you're going to
see a moment that it was a moment of failure.
But how do you build success off of this? Like
cause those are the things that I want to know
in that moment, you know, Like for me, whatever I
have personal failing, said, Lord knows, I have it, Lord
knows those who have been public would I have Lord knows? Yeah,
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she asked me, because everybody else does. I think, like
you look at but you look at those and the
questions that I look back on myself in those moments
that I wish people would have asked that nobody did,
is how I try to approach his job?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Has that been young cocky, weirdo guy in the locker
room trying to get well, yeah, narcissist, trying to get
the story about me, but you know that kind of thing,
but try to get the sound bite and all that
kind of stuff. And I think that my own failings
have allowed me better grace to be able to humanize
other people and then find because the things that I'm
curious about now are not the same things that I
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was curious about eight years ago. So when I asked,
when I'm sitting there in the locker room and I'm
asking those kind of questions, like for me, I want
to know that because in a way, I want to
apply that back to my own life. I don't want
to sit there and just shame some guy for dropping
the ball in a position that I would give anything
to have beenion right to play this, you know, think
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about anything to have been in that situation. Asking a
guy at his lowest moment in that where he just
and not just the seventy thousand people in the stadium,
the millions of people watching, and that's what's going to be.
That is going to be a trending topic for days.
As someone who has trended on Twitter, you don't want to, but.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
There's a there's a way to be a great journalist
and get the answer and the response that you want
by how you phrase the question. Don't ask And when
we're talking about you know, Mark Andrews and dropping a
two point version last week and playff game against the
Buffalo Bills, they don't ask him specifically about the play.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And what was his level of mindset after the play.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Or before the play leading up to that drive?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What was the conversation like on the sideline?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
What did Todd Munkin say, knowing as though you guys
were behind you know, what was that dialogue about that?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Way you get him to open up and now he's
not thinking about that, but eventually maybe he gets to it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
How did your teammates come lift you up after that moment?
How did you know? What did your coach say to you? Yeah,
those kinds of things. There are better ways to handle us.
I think better ways we can do this, And I
feel for Mark Anders. I wish I wished that we
weren't so terrible at this that he would have been
willing to have to have stood there for a Q
and A and asked questions about that, because I think
there are things that would have been valuable for all
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of us lement and think.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
About this, He's got to sit with that for entire
off season.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That's that's the last thing you go to remember for
a whole off season. And I would not be surprised
if that dude comes back and as a monster season.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
And what if they never get back though, see that
that's that's the worry, all right, he.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Never get he never he never gets a chance. Well,
Zach was pointing out, what if forever this game is
referred to as the Mark Andrews game.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Every pundit, that would be wild, especially this is say,
say a argument Baltimore never gets back there, and then
questions start to come up about Lamar Jackson's ability to
lead the team, as though people have questioned Josh Allen
the ability.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And you're sitting there, like I dropped that two pointer.
That wouldn't headed the psychological.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Toll that you imagine.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Speaking of psychological In the next segment, we're gonna bring
the boss in Dave Tepper, and you and Zach and
I have got the results of my uh psycho and
personality exam that the NFL is doing. Now I've got
the whole results, so that you get the whole packet.
We're gonna go through this thing a little bit and
see how accurate this stuff is in assessing me and
see if this test is worth the dart when it
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comes to evaluating prospects coming into the NFL and one
of their applications. It could possibly have you guys, listen
to Broncos Country night right here, Okay, way,
Tod six six nine zero is the text line the
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three h seven said, welcome to the railroad.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I can't count how many interviews I've done where they're
hiring someone else. That happens to everyone, even white guys. Yes,
I'm bring the text.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Line, well, I don't know who that is. And hey,
it does suck when you're in that situation. But here's
what I like in it. Do really quickly. It's like
a hot shiit going out with you, right, no intention
to really date you, just one of that free meal,
but just free meal and make a fool of you. Yeah,
(00:35):
And as Zachness on the break, would you be willing
to put yourself through that situation hotshit?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I probably wouldn't know. You're not You're not hot enough
for me to just you know, you know, unless we're
unless That's what I'm looking for is to be seen
with the you know. No, there's no there's no indgame there.
That's that's stupid for me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen, man, this is not the movie money Can't buy me. Well,
that's not what this is. Yeah, that's not what this is.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So to to that person you've been in a situation,
it's a long period of time, and you've been waiting
and you've been clawing your way up and paying your
dues and something happens like that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Nah, that's not good. Also, I just realized that I'm
the jerk. Like we realized during the break that I'm
the jerk. I have never interviewed for a job. I
haven't gotten like ever or haven't been offered the job.
Good for you and allbright guy, like I'm realizing, I like,
I'm going back through I was really trying to wreck
my brain to find one. Like I was like, Man,
I'm going all the way back to like high school,
(01:27):
interviewed at the gap. So you were one of those dudes,
I guess I interviewed. Well, who knows. Let's find out.
I let's find out if I can actually ask questions. Well,
go with the Kayla Custer, the hotline prayer guy, Korvin Smith,
corb and how you.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Do it to see me?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Good t me guys, Yeah, when to have you on?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Man, you cover Pete Carroll obviously, Now he's in the
AFC West or as we call it, the early Bird
Special Bob Evans Division based on the ages of these coaches.
But you know, Pete has been a Uh, Pete has
been a guy that has had success for a long time,
not just for the Seahawks. Mean, obviously usc he spent
on a long time, but he's a different sort of guy.
(02:02):
I mean everybody who talks about Pete is glowing as
if fusive in the praise, talking about his positivity, all
that kind of stuff. We get to see Russell Wilson
out here, we did not get to see Pete Carroll.
Now he's in the division. What can you tell us
about Pete Carroll?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, you want to talk about the perfect sin I
don't know that there is a personality that meshes better
with the Sin City than Pete Carroll. When this was
the rumor going around that they were looking at him,
I thought, with the energy that he brings, you know,
you hear the seventy.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Three going on twenty five, it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
With this guy. I mean, he's just got energy for days.
I remember going into the vMac, this is probably three
years ago. You get there early for training camp practices
and they've got a staircase that goes up like five
floors that is a bunch of switchbacks, and I come
in and this dude is sprinting up those stairs and
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just looks like he is like twenty five years old
doing it, and it was just it was just remarkable.
They're the guy. He is going to rub the positivity
energy on this team that they so badly needed. We
also get to see him and Jim Harbaugh against each
other again, which is going to be musty TV given
their history together.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Corbyn, I'm glad you brought that up because I remember
those days when USC and Stanford were going at one another.
And that's what I told Bim when he first brought
this issue up, and say that Pete Carroll could end
up landing in Vegas, I said, sign me a four.
But what do you say to those individuals who asked
the question, well, why would Tom Brady, Mark Davis and
the Raiders give a seventy three year old coach a
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three year contract because he's too Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is that such a thing in today's game?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I would understand the reservations if I didn't know what
Pete Carroll stood for. And just know, I mean to
me age of a number.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And again, this guy, it seems like there's so much
good football in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Front of him, and I thought that even when the Seahawks,
I understood why they moved on when they did. They
just were in a position. I think sometimes everything's got
to end to a certain point. But I could see
Pete Carroll coaching into his eighties. I mean, the guy
doesn't look like he's anywhere close to being ready to
step away. He clearly had an itch to.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Coach after sitting out this year.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think probably ten minutes after his final press conference
with Seattle media, he was probably confident the bit to
get back the coaching.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And the guy is just he was born to coach.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He is the ultimate competitor. And for those questioning this deal,
I mean, I just think at this point you got
to look at the resume and then you just got
to know who the person is.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I don't see any.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Reason to doubt that he's going to be able to
fulfill that three year contract, and I could see him
coaching significantly longer than that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Talking with Corbyn Smith's you can find him on Twitter
at Corpence with NFL. Pete Carroll has coached eight seasons
across three different franchises, Jets, Patriots, Seattle, four losing seasons
in that span. That is that is an incredible and
incredible accomplishment there. Most of that came early on with
those first two franchises. When you look at this, the
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thing that I said when this this search started, I said, look,
they got two guys in mind here. It's Ben Johnson.
They don't get him as Pete Carroll. And I'm gonna
be honest with you, Pete Carroll scares me more because
he's a known commodity. I know he's going to make
the Raiders better. You look at this division al Suden,
You've got Adye Reid, you know, you got Jim Harball,
You've got Sean Payton, You've got Pete Carroll. This division
somebody's got to lose.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean, you're talking about the Super.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Bowl and National Championship Division. Every single one of these
coaches has at least one of those. It is probably
the best coaching division in the NFL now. And Pete
Carroll's got a lot of work in front of him.
But again, you look at what's been the struggle for
the Raiders. It's just been stale there for so long.
They have not been able to have a culture that
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can come in and really turn things around. And I
don't know that there's anybody out there in terms of
being charismatic and positive that is going to be able
to alter a culture overnight the way that Pete Carroll can.
And again, I just think the fit Pete Carroll in
Vegas just seems like an incredible fit. So ah, somebody's
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gonna have to lose this division right now. I would
still say that the Raiders are the worst team there,
but if Pete.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Can get himself a quarterback, they do have some pieces there.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And this guy has always been so good at getting
the best out of his players. I can see them
being a very difficult team to beat and being pesty
next year at leave at the minimum.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, being pesky is something that Tom Brady himself had
been in AFC for almost twenty plus years.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Now he is partner with the Pete Carroll What are
you seeing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The first year is always one of those questionable years because,
like you said, they still had to go find their quarterback.
But let's talk about you two possibly with these two
brilliant minds of I mean thinking about what Tom Brady
can bring, but also with the combination of Pee Carroll,
what was.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That What would that look like in year two?
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I think by year two, and honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Could even see this year. I just think that those
two guys, the personalities are so different, but yet they
have a lot of similarities, and I feel like there
is going to be a draw for free agents to
come to Vegas now, whereas I don't think the last
several seasons that has been the case. But I think
that you were talking about one of the most likable
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coaches out there. You get two winners at every level
they've been at. Tom Brady's been a winner, and then
you obviously Pete Carroll and he's been mentioned fourteen winning
seasons in eighteen years. The guy is as good of
a winner as there is in the National Football League.
I just think in year one, and especially in year
two especially they finished strong. This next season that is
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going to be a hot ticket team for free a
which I think is exactly what Mark Davis wants. He
wants the Raiders to have that restored shine where this
is where guys want to play.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
And I just think it also has the intrigue to
the fact.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That Pete Carroll grew up rooting for the Raiders too,
which is something that I remember him talking about several
times with the Seahawks. It's just it's a very fun fit.
But I think that it makes this franchise much more
marketable now with both those men being key members of
the front office and coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Ty with Corben Smith at Corben Smith NFL on Twitter. Okay,
the big question here's going to be the quarterback situation,
right is what is what are the Raiders going to do?
What does Pete Carroll look for in a quarterback? Because
you go back yet rush for most of that you
had Hasselbeck at the tail end of his career, and
then he had Tavoris Jackson for a season, and for
those who don't remember, Tavares is the ancient Caveman term
for the guy who couldn't throw the javelin accurate enough
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to hit the Holy Mammoth in the hunt. What does
Pete look for in a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He wants, first and foremost a guy that is going
to be a editor. He wants a quarterback that is
going to be tough, and he wants a quarterback that's
going to be able to take the shots downfield.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You look at his track record all the way back
to when he first.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Got into the college ranks. He has always had quarterbacks
that can take those shots downfield, and it's not necessarily
the biggest armed guys, but efficient passers downfield. Even Matt
hassel Beck his last year in Seattle was able to
make some of those throw still, but he loves those
shot plays, which has been a staple in Seattle, and
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that's kind of been maintained since he left too. But
the success that Gino Smith.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Had there, Russell obviously all those moonballs over the years.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There's components that he wants.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's a defensive coach. You look at his track record,
though quarterbacks consistently have played a higher level, and I
think a lot of it is just the confidence that
he instills in his players. You can see to the
quarterback position.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Tavars Jackson had arguably his best season in.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The en Fell his one year as a starter for
Pete Carroll.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
At USC, even when he didn't have Carson.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Palmer or Matt Weiner, mean John David Booty was a
Heisman contender.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
In his offense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The guy just he inspires players to play with confidence
and so no matter what direction they decide to go
at that position, I could see Russell reuniting him potentially
in Vegas. I could see them calling the Seahawks and
seeing if Gino Smith is available, because he loves Geno Smith.
They bring in a rookie, He's stone. He can do
that way back when Russell is a rookie. It's just
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it's the way that he handles things. He is able
to inspire confidence in his quarterbacks, and he's consistently had
good performance to that position.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
See for me being a defensive player. I mean, all
this talk is great.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But the first thing I'm thinking about brock Bauers and
the reason I'm thinking about brock Bauers because in Coach
Carroll's tenure in Seattle, I don't believe it. You can
correct me from wrong. Did he ever have a tight
end like this? And I'm thinking, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Graham for a minute.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I mean, Jimmy Van is no brod Bowers got only hard.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So I'm saying, for me defensively in living here in Denver,
bron Bauers was one of those guys that scares me.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But where in his career goal with the brilliant mind
of Carol.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
On that offense, I think that you're looking at a
generational tight end that Pete Carroll is going to have
no issue getting maximum result out of I mean the Seahawks,
And honestly, I think a lot of it was the
quarterback situation. Russell Wilson was never somebody that excelled attacking
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the middle of the field and a lot of times
that kept the tight ends out of the mix. And
Jimmy Graham scored.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Quite a few touchdowns, but Russ was one of the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Worst red zone fade throwers in the NFL too, so
that took a lot of Jimmy Graham's value out of
the out of the way.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So I think it depends a.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Lot in the quarterback situation.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
But if they traded for Gino Smith.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
For example, Gino Smith has had a lot of success
throwing the tight ends, and I Gare and Tee he'd
be targeting brock Powers a lot Pete Carroll's. He's consistently
been good at maximizing what his players are going to
bring to the table at the receiver position. And while
he's had good tight ends, they've had decent production, but
he's never had a tight end anywhere close to Brock Power.
So I would not think there's going to be any
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issues getting him involved and getting the football to him.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, the hallmarks of Pete Carroll, who has been that
strong rushing attack. The Raiders don't really have a lot
of great running backs on the roster right there. Do
you think that as you look at this thing and
how devoid of talent the Raiders are across the board.
Let's be honest, They've got some some outstanding pieces and
then a lot of very replaceable pieces. Do you think
that that Pete will pay special attention to that run
game early and trying to get that going and build
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off that before they find the quarterback or do you
believe they're going to be all in on trying to
get this thing all the way fixed right away.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, I anticipated that's going to be a big part
of getting this thing fixed. And I'm just going to
throw this out there for you guys, because I've covered
this Seahawks team for a long time. Pete Carroll has
always liked picking running back early in the draft. Astin
genty would not be a surprise if the Raiders picked
him in the first round he was available to him
even at picks six, because that guy is a generational
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running back and Pete Carroll, he's it's gonna be hard
to get the Raiders front off with the scouting guys
to get him off that ledge.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
If Ashton gent he.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Is available, they're given what they're lacking at running back,
and that would make life so much easier for whoever's
playing quarterback too. I just look at the history. He
likes picking running backs early. He loves elite.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Talents at that position.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It kind of is digging. A lot of guys are zagging.
But I think that is going to be a priority
for him along with getting the quarterback situation figured out.
Let's get an elite talent in the running back position.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
And this is really a good draft class to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
M hm, he really is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You'd get to running backs, you know, man, Broncos fans
would be sick. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They want they want Jandy. I don't think he's gonna
make it with the Broncos they're picking anyway, but that.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He's out of the top ten guys, I would be
absolutely stunned.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Same same, but that would would make Brongo fans sick
to see him go across the division there. What else
can you tell us? What else can you tell us
about Pete Carroll that we need to know that maybe
the national media or these national media articles don't convey.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I've already mentioned the quarterback thing is a huge thing
for me because I just think a lot of people
look at him and think he's an offensive coach, but
he's had so much success in that. I think the
one other thing that I would add, there's this misnomer
that Pete Carroll is that old school we're gonna run it,
run it and then throw it or run, run, run,
(14:39):
get a pile of dust up. But the Seahawks consistently,
at least in the last five or six years that
he was in Seattle, they were consistently in the top
five in early down passing frequency. So he has really
changed in that regard, and part of it's been the
quarterbacks he's had and the weapons they've had a receiver.
But I think he is a much more more adaptable
(15:01):
coach than what people give him credit for. A lot
of people say he's old, he's stuck in his ways.
For the most part, that is not true.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
This is a guy that is very malleable with what's
going on in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I think now that he's had a year away
from the league, you know he's been doing his research
on the side, seeing what things are going on. I
would expect that he's going to reinvent himself in some way,
shape or form here, because again, he is much more
adaptable than I think most people give him credit for.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, Corbyn, we appreciate you taking the time. We're all
interested to see this Pete Carroll higher here obviously here
in Broncos country. What that's gonna do. And like I said,
I'm worried those used to be two gumma games for
the Broncos. I don't think there's given me games in
the af West anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I don't think that that's going to be a
division where there's going to be edie gimmes games that
they're all going to be beating up on each other
and that's going to make.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
For some good entertainment, but it's also going to be
nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
For everybody to roots for teams in the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
By the way, appreciate you join us. You guys can
find him at Corbyn Smith NFL on Twitter and look.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
For checking in with you again to somebody, Thanks guys,
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It all right, Take care, CORDN Smith we'll be back
after this special Thanks to Corbin Smith for joining us
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Speaker 3 (16:28):
That?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
My favorite podcast. We'll see if we can nominate that
for the iHeart Podcast Awards. It's a shame he was
shut out five six, six, nine zeroes and text line, uh,
did you see the Mark Andrews stuff? Obviously, I think
everybody saw the game in which Mark Andrews critical miss
cues down the stretch may have cost and I say,
(16:52):
may have the Ravens a game against the Bills. Mark
Andrews got on Instagram finally and broke his silence. He
did not make himself available to reporters following the team
locker room clear out or after the game, but he
did drop something on Instagram saying that he was devastated
(17:16):
and that it was impossible to adde quickly express how
he feels. He's gutted by what happened, Devastated for teammates, coaches,
Ravens fans. I pore every out of my being into
playing at the highest level possible because I love my
team the game of football like nothing else. That is
why it is take me until now to collect my
thoughts and addresses publicly. In the hours then days that
(17:36):
followed these kind of you know this, I guess we'll
call heartbreaking. Dropping the corner of the end zone heartbreaking
for Ravens fans. Teammates were out there off from praise,
words of encouragement. Try to put the moment in perspective.
You did get some vitrol from the dark corners of
the internet, but teammates and coaches humanized him. Some Bills fans, which,
by the way, Bills fans were the classes groups out there.
Every time they do this where they have something and
(17:58):
somebody chokes against them, they get that player's charity and
they donate a bunch of money. Bills fans started raising
money for charity for juveniles with diabetes that Andrews supports,
and as of Thursday evening yesterday, more than one hundred
thousand dollars had been raised from thirty five hundred different donations.
Bills fans are awesome. Whenever you think of bills, fans
might jump through flaming tables and all that kind of stuff.
(18:19):
There's some of the classiest people man when they beat you,
and that's just cool as far as that goes. What
did you think about it? First of all, Mark Andrews
took a lot of heat for what happened in that game,
some of which you know they have been deserved first
play on the field, but at the end of the day,
some of the vitriol felt a little out of bounds.
On the flip side of that, I really kind of
felt like Mark Andrews probably should have addressed it after
(18:42):
the game or at the team locker room clear out,
not just on an Instagram thing where nobody can ask
any questions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, Ben, that was his prerogative on how he wanted
to handle the situation, and sometimes after an emotional loss
like that, you're trying to put it too in the
further read of your mind, even though you can't because
it's still right in your face. You're in the same stadium,
you're looking at the face of your guys, you're on
(19:09):
the bus, you're on the plane and you want to
forget what happened, but it continues to run on a
twenty four hour loop.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
In your head as you replay every single play.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Now, that game took about, you know, four hours, you know,
you know, four quarters, three hours fourth So but the
thing about it, for Andrews, there was only two plays
that replayed in his mind or rewind.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was the fumble that set up a Bill's you.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Know, touchdown right, and then the drop of the two
point conversion that would have tied it at twenty seventh.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And at that point it would have been anyone's game.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And I know how difficult it is to be in
that situation, and I too said, look, man, Mark Andrews
should have caught that pass. And there was back and
forth on where LaMarche hose to throw the in that
particular time, and it wasn't in a proper place for
Mark Andrews. But I never thought that things would get
(20:09):
to the point that they did. And this is where
I say that there's a difference between being a football
player and being a person.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And some fans forget what that thin line is. They
go over that line and there's threats and oh, your.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Bomb and all these extra things that are said about
you as a player, when those.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Same people, same people, they dream.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
They wish that they could be in that particular position.
So I don't like the fact that that vitriol was
just aimed in his direction like that. You can criticize
a performance, but don't make a.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Personal Yeah, exactly, And let me say, let me preface
that with this. I don't believe that Mark Andrews owes
the media to come out and say that. I'm saying
I believe that he should have, but he doesn't owe
anybody anything in terms of that other than what's league
mandated as far as that goes. So I want to
say that that's it. If I were marketing, I get it.
I mean, I've been there have been things in my
life where a bit bitterly disappointed in those kinds of things.
(21:06):
I get it from that perspective. I get not wanting
to sit there in front of people and have your
life picked apart, especially in your darkest moment. You know
who wants that? Who wants to sit there and put
their their darkest moment under a magnifying glass for the
whole world to see and repeat it on loop over
and over again for their entertainment, their rating points, and
to sell more shaving cream in their commercial breaks. But
at the end of the day, you know you're going
(21:29):
to have guys that are full of hot air sitting
there talking about this kind of stuff if the only
way you do it is one side blind where you
respond over Instagram, which I'm glad that athletes have that avenue.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I am glad that they have that. Now you don't
just have to go through media. I mean, it doesn't
make it more difficult for me to do my job. Sure,
I used to be, you know, being a newspaper columnist
or a radio analyst. Used to be the guy with
players came to to get their message out right, So
now they get their own avenue. So I'm glad for that,
even though it makes my job more difficult. Said, there
are times where you want to ask some questions, You
(22:02):
want to ask some follow up questions that like like, honestly,
I want to ask mar Ketters how he's doing. I said, well,
I know you're not doing okay, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Like how are you how are you handling this right now?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Because man, that's that's not that's not usually how it works,
right because when a guy's in the locker room and
something goes wrong. No one's asking that question, how are
you doing? Case in point, playing it with the Denver
Broncos Monday night football. We're playing against Brett Fahr. Right,
We're in the cover three defense. Some reason dre Bly
(22:33):
decides he wants to press, right. Yes, yes, he decided
to press a receiver and the receiver is a house call.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It just kind of puts you in the frame framework
of the.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Situation, and we had to fight to move back into position.
We get a great kickoff return, Jay Colin moves the team.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Down, We punch it in.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Now it's overtime. Now the Packers get the ball back first.
And in that instance, we're like, okay, well we're back
in this ball game. Back in the ball game.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So it put you in my frame of mind.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm sent, I'm sent on a blitz and I'm about
one step away from crushing Brett Fahr. And then he
launches the ball and all I could do is turn
around and watch it. And the receiver he threw it
to was Greg Jennings. Right, it was like a seventy
yard touchdown, and I didn't even chase Greg Jennings.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I walked past Brett.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Fall and walk to the side of line because there's
no way I was gonna catch Greg Jennings. But right
after the game, every single member of the Denver media
went to one locker and one locker only it was
dre Blig's locker. Yeah, and they asked. They didn't ask him,
how would you do one? The question was what was
(24:03):
going through your head when you gave up that touchdown?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
My locker was right next to him.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It took every ounce of energy in me not to
say something. But this is how some in the media react.
So I can understand Mark Andrews not wanting to answer
questions because I'm believing that if he were to act,
if he were asked questions, he probably would have broke
(24:29):
down emotionally because he felt as though if he took
that opportunity away from the team coach Harbaugh, but more
importantly Lamar.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So that's probably why he waited for social media.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Real quick, guys, some breaking news. It's about to break.
I don't know if it has broken yet, but Brian
Schottenneimer is officially being hired as the head coach the
Dallas Cowboys. So add that to the scorecard going conversation, Man,
you have no idea, due entires Mike McCarthy. You felt like,
I'm not wearing pants to work anymore? WHOA wait, Well,
(25:05):
can't nobody tell me nothing? You're gonna wear pants? And
it's about to get where some rap sheet and Jane
Slater are confirming what Ben just said. Uh Showenheimer officially
the new head coach of the Dats Convoys. Are you
not entertained?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Back to what you said though, like for me, but
I approached this job differently, like like for me, like
did I get that? I get that you're gonna have
the pack of wolves up there?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh God, I'm trying to think who it was. Oh,
I wish I could remember who it was. A couple
of years ago in ad locker room, and I remember
a couple of different guys coming to that player's defense.
It was a dB having had a bad day, and
I remember guys like Justin standing up, like all the
media was crowded around who the player was, and Justin
standing up saying was no him, wasn't no? You know,
like there were players standing up. It was good to
(25:53):
see that. I haven't always seen that saw that in
that moment. I wish I could remember what player it
was and what play it was. It might have been tomorrow,
matthis it might have been older than that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I know Matthew Is when he first came in the league.
He had a rough one on them. Yeah, this ain't
it is large Now. This was a home game.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It was a night game.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
How long back it was a night game, I don't know,
three three four years ago maybe talking about the thing,
uh somebody where somebody gave something up or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It was when Sir Tan gave it up to DeVante
Adams win A night game is afternoon game. It was
when Sir Tan gave it up to Adams for the touchdown.
Everybody was in there, all focused on Sir Tan, you
know all this kind of stuff, and you had Jack
k Jack, you had you know, all those guys doing
the right thing in that moment. You wasn't know him,
you know. But I approach you different. I'm not sitting
there like what's going through your head when you're giving
an interception?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like that? Like for me, I have other questions I
want to know, like, hey man, you you all right,
you know you you okay, you're good.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
That question is not being asked in the locker room
because it's you gotta be PopEd, You got to be prodded.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Because everyone one feels as though they have to have that.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Sound bite, that sound bite to push them over somewhat
over the edge, and they want to ask that particular question.
In my time, there are people who ask what I
would deem to be stupid questions. So I didn't answer
the question at all.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And if you're trying to get the story, to get
the true answers to what happened, we all know what
happened in a given game.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You don't have to ask a guy in the secondary
well in the fourth quarter with time running out, what
was going through your mind when when you know the
touchdown was scored over you? We all saw that, right,
So for me, you're trying to elicit a response that
is going to be an angry response to help you. Oh,
(27:48):
by the way, what to sound like to leave the
new Here's what Nick Ferguson saying, we have to give
it up a touchdown in the pivotal game. No, no,
but I would love and what you're describing more people
than the media to be more personable or have empathy,
be damn human.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But there's human in the moment that have some empathy,
and I'd like, hey, man, god's that sucks. I know
it sucks. I can't relate to how much it sucks
because I haven't ever fumbled the bag in front of
you know, seventy thousand people before, so I can't really
I can't even relate. But at the same time, it
was a man like you, okay, you know, if you
don't mind, you know, if you don't mind walking me
through this a little bit, like what was your what
was your thought? Who your decision in that process that
(28:27):
led to that? And how are you going to I
know this, look back on this and you're going to
see a moment that it was a moment of failure.
But how do you build success off of this? Like
cause those are the things that I want to know
in that moment, you know, Like for me, whatever I
have personal failing, said, Lord knows, I have it, Lord
knows those who have been public would I have Lord knows? Yeah,
(28:48):
she asked me, because everybody else does. I think, like
you look at but you look at those and the
questions that I look back on myself in those moments
that I wish people would have asked that nobody did,
is how I try to approach his job?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Has that been young cocky, weirdo guy in the locker
room trying to get well, yeah, narcissist, trying to get
the story about me, but you know that kind of thing,
but try to get the sound bite and all that
kind of stuff. And I think that my own failings
have allowed me better grace to be able to humanize
other people and then find because the things that I'm
curious about now are not the same things that I
(29:20):
was curious about eight years ago. So when I asked,
when I'm sitting there in the locker room and I'm
asking those kind of questions, like for me, I want
to know that because in a way, I want to
apply that back to my own life. I don't want
to sit there and just shame some guy for dropping
the ball in a position that I would give anything
to have beenion right to play this, you know, think
(29:40):
about anything to have been in that situation. Asking a
guy at his lowest moment in that where he just
and not just the seventy thousand people in the stadium,
the millions of people watching, and that's what's going to be.
That is going to be a trending topic for days.
As someone who has trended on Twitter, you don't want to, but.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
There's a there's a way to be a great journalist
and get the answer and the response that you want
by how you phrase the question. Don't ask And when
we're talking about you know, Mark Andrews and dropping a
two point version last week and playff game against the
Buffalo Bills, they don't ask him specifically about the play.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And what was his level of mindset after the play.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Or before the play leading up to that drive?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What was the conversation like on the sideline?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
What did Todd Munkin say, knowing as though you guys
were behind you know, what was that dialogue about that?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Way you get him to open up and now he's
not thinking about that, but eventually maybe he gets to it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
How did your teammates come lift you up after that moment?
How did you know? What did your coach say to you? Yeah,
those kinds of things. There are better ways to handle us.
I think better ways we can do this, And I
feel for Mark Anders. I wish I wished that we
weren't so terrible at this that he would have been
willing to have to have stood there for a Q
and A and asked questions about that, because I think
there are things that would have been valuable for all
(31:00):
of us lement and think.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
About this, He's got to sit with that for entire
off season.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That's that's the last thing you go to remember for
a whole off season. And I would not be surprised
if that dude comes back and as a monster season.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
And what if they never get back though, see that
that's that's the worry, all right, he.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Never get he never he never gets a chance. Well,
Zach was pointing out, what if forever this game is
referred to as the Mark Andrews game.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Every pundit, that would be wild, especially this is say,
say a argument Baltimore never gets back there, and then
questions start to come up about Lamar Jackson's ability to
lead the team, as though people have questioned Josh Allen
the ability.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And you're sitting there, like I dropped that two pointer.
That wouldn't headed the psychological.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Toll that you imagine.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Speaking of psychological In the next segment, we're gonna bring
the boss in Dave Tepper, and you and Zach and
I have got the results of my uh psycho and
personality exam that the NFL is doing. Now I've got
the whole results, so that you get the whole packet.
We're gonna go through this thing a little bit and
see how accurate this stuff is in assessing me and
see if this test is worth the dart when it
(32:10):
comes to evaluating prospects coming into the NFL and one
of their applications. It could possibly have you guys, listen
to Broncos Country night right here, Okay, way,
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