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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Broncos Country to Night, Cory, you are feeling it for
Benjamin Albright to night launch side, Nick Ferguson, and here'sn't
Banjo's there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Nick, you know what that means. That means that I'm
going the opposite way.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, yes, ideally, if you ever hear this in real life,
if you're walking anywhere and this this actually comes on,
you should be you should be afraid. You should definitely
go another direction. But this means there's some good news. Oh,
this is someone that we know. There's Banjo.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So that's why grin because I was at first I
was thinking, you know, I'm looking around like maybe I
need to get the.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hell out of that. What's happening Banjos?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You see?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Then tell me weed across the road. It's like, I
don't know what am I doing yet. No, this is
actually some good news.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The Broncos just fresh moments ago, were informed that they're
losing assistant Special Teams coach Chris Banjo getting a promotion
special Teams coordinator for Aaron Glenn and the New York
Jets well deserved there for Banjo. But as you and
I were talking about four one on air here, it's
crazy to think about just two years ago he was
a player still in the NFL and his rise very
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very quick from you know, being a player to be
an assistant to now coordinator. You know, happy for Banjo.
He does things the right way. A lot of players
love Banjo from guys that I spoke to Jalen Virgil,
former bronco who looked really cut his teeth a little
bit on the special team side the last in training
camp this year and also last year before his injury,
had a lot of high praise there for Banjo.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I can understand the high praise because you know, if
you are around Chris, which a lot of fans don't
have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
To be around.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But you could just see that his energy is infectious
and there was a reason why he was brought in here.
And you just look at the connections and the ties
from his time in New Orleans, his time in Arizona
with Vance, his time being around Mike Westoff, and I
mean it just it just kind of messed at the
right time. And the biggest thing for me, he is
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what was odd And I didn't recall this until one
of my former CFL coaches in NFL Euro coaches you know,
mentioned to me.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He was like, well, Nick, do you remember when you
were in Houston?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
And I was like, yeah, there was a guy that
I asked you to talk to that we were recruiting
and we had resigned, and there was a lot about
his game that reminded this particular coach of me. So
I once this coach told me this story, I started
to go back and recall where I was in my
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place in Houston, and I was and I went, oh, snap,
it was Chris so as when he was a recruiting Chris,
I was one of the guys that he spoke to.
Once Chris Folony committed, and I think SMU had a
game in Houston and I had the chance to go
buy the hotel and kind of talk to my former coach.
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Didn't get a chance to meet Chris because I had
to leave out there to go to a team meeting.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But it was kind of things that come full circle.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And when Chris first got the job here, Mike Westoff
wanted me to come by the office because he was
watching family. Wanted me to watch film with him. And yes, listen,
watching film with Mike Westoffs it's a thing of beauty
because he's not sour on words, and he's not sour
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on praise because he's gonna tell it how it is
and sometimes it's not exactly what you want. But I
got a chance to meet Chris face to face and
a lunch all and I got a chance to know
him while he was here coaching with the team, And
I thought as soon as Aaron got that job.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was like, could this actually happen? Can we put
two and two it together?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it's great for Chris, being a young player having
this opportunity, you know, this early in his coaching career,
to be able to say that he is.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Especially teams coordinator. And I know that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Chris was taught very well from Vincott Wicka to Mike
west Up. So I mean, it's kind of bittersweet when
you really think about it, Cody, because you think about
the number of coaches and front off of staff that
the Broncos have lost thus far.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Man, it's been a growing list.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There have been two departures based on a team moving on.
There's been three promotions so far from a coaching staff,
one promotion obviously from the front office with Darren Musey
going to the Jets. So now It's like Mouse knows
all about Banjo too, So I'm sure having that extra influence.
Aaron Glenn knows all about Banjo because he coached him.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you know what, when you.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Know a guy and you're like, hey, I coach this guy,
I know how he learns, I know how he teaches,
and you see the transition that he's made, Obviously it
carries over. And I can tell you this just going
out there, even at training camp and even in the
regular season. Right, a lot of people go to training
camp and they see everything, but we get a little
bit more up close view than a lot of the
fans because they moved us to where, you know, you're
really close to the sideline. Also, the one thing I
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liked about Banjo, how good of a teacher is like
the little details right he's talking about, you know, if
you're if you're a gunner and you've got let's say
you got double jammers on you, what's the best way
to attack that, right, Especially let's say you're trying to
punt the ball. You're on you're lined up as a
gunner on the right side, You're trying to punt the
ball to the left side, and you've got to be
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able to track but get off contact from those two guys.
He went through the minute details on how to get
a jammer to open up the wrong way. That way
you can clear a path, because the number one thing
you don't want to do on special teams if you're
a gunner, you don't want to get jammed by two
guys rolled into the sideline and then you have a
big alley that's given up that the return team takes.
So it's just the little tiny details that he emphasizes
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in every day of practice, even in the regular season
where fans don't really get a seed it up close
and personal. Banjo has every script, every play design and
even if the scout looks that he's gonna go through
with his guys, and I think Ben Codwick, especially after
Mike Westoff had to step away after that Chiefs game,
did a really good job, I think of taking on
more and it was very impressive inside the locker room.
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I know a couple of coaches said that they liked
and obviously, you know, for Banjo you learn a lot
from the coaches that you played for as well, so
I'm sure for him transition from player to coach, things
he learned from Mike west Off he carried over to
being a coach right and certainly obviously here on today's
show on the KOA Broncos Country Night, we're going to
talk a lot about coaching coaching styles. One thing I
(06:32):
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Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is there anything your coaches used.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
To say to you that you still say to this
day you apply to certain situations.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So we'll get to that a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Obviously, we has our NFL six pack coming up towards
the end of the show tonight. But just you mentioned
the change there Nick Banjo a promotion. Obviously great there.
We didn't get to talk about it because it happened
the other night when we were doing the show. But
Sean Payton made another coaching change himself, moving on from
inside linebacker coach Greg Minouski.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Very interesting move.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Here considering you know what we talked about the other day,
the linebacker being a potential position to need for the
Broncos this offseason. What were your thoughts initially on this
coaching change, because this is who we hired when he
came in, and I remember where Sean was filling out
his staff. Everyone's like, how come it's taken so long
to fill out a staff. But Sean came out early
on and said, you know, his philosophy is slow to hire,
quick to fire. Two years into it, you move on
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from a linebacker coach that says something before.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Before I do that, I want to make sure the
listeners understand something that you said earlier when.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
We were talking about a special team.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
When you think about a gunner, a gunner is on
punt team and that individual is like a wide receiver
and their job is to get down the field beat
two guys and those two defenders are called jammers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That gunner his.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Job is to try to find anyway scratch, pull, kick, claw,
whatever to get down feel and actually making a play
on the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And you see it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You see sometimes the guys able to get the ball
and beat it back and now he holds the opponent
on the one yard line and everyone is applauding, and
you're like, well, why is everyone applauding that, Because in
the role of special teams, that's considered a great play
because you essentially flip the field by backing.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The opponent up. So I just wanted to make sure
that that was clear.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But as far as it's moved with the linebackers coach,
we knew that the Broncos were going to have to
make somewhat of a personnel adjustment, and initially we thought
it was just going to be personnel as far as
the guys playing the position.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But what happens at the end of every.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Single year, whether teams win to lose, but more importantly,
if you are on the losing side of things, there
is an evaluation process that takes place across the board.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And they're not only evaluating the guys who are in expiring.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Deals guys who are in existing contracts, but they're also
evaluating the scouting staff, they're value waiting, their coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Are there things.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That we could have been better in these particular areas?
Did this coach provide the necessary teaching?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Notice I didn't say coaching, the necessary different teaching to
kind of put players where they need to be. And
obviously the Broncos had some issues at the linebacker position,
so they needed strategic coaching to kind of get these
guys on the right page in orders, though you didn't
really get all of the production you want from the
linebacker position.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Sometimes this is kind of result.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And that's not to say that, you know, Monoski didn't
need to do a great job, but due to the evaluation.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Process, it wasn't the standard. Yes, and one has asked, well,
what is that standard?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right? And this goes back to the Broncos trying to
establish that And this is always tough for a lot
of individuals that I had a conversation with the GM
of today and asking a question as to how difficult
is it to part ways with a coach or a
(10:08):
player that you've come to know, you've watched them go
to work every single day, how difficult that is? And
sometimes Cody, in the world of sports, most people just look, Okay,
well the guy did this, the guy didn't do this,
But they forget about the humanistic.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Side of the game. So the Broncos lose a coach,
they're gonna have to try to get another coach in here.
How quickly will you be able to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I don't know, but I would only assume that they
have to do it really fast because you got the
Shrine and Bowl and the Singer Bowl taking place, and
you need to have things in place to be able
to evaluate coach, I mean evaluate players.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know what I found a little interesting. I wonder
maybe reading the team leaves here. You remember a few
years ago Greg Williams, not the infamous Greg Williams for
all the bast stuff in New Orleans, but the former
DV coach Greg Williams that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was here twenty eighteen with ants.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Initially, Uh, he was the he was the linebacker coaches
here for the Los Angeles Rams. So pardon me, is wondering,
you know, depending on what the Rams decided to do,
I mean they evaluate staff too. I wonder if that
could be someone who ends up here in Denver. I'm
very curiously who fills that position. We'll see how that goes.
I love coach Wins, one of my guys, great teacher.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, yeah, so where did your path cross with Gray?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Because coaching clinic coaching clinic. Yeah, yeah, we're both at
a coaching clinic together. He was hosting a summit and
he was, you know, going over defensive back drills and
we're we're going over things like you know what a
clue covered corner is. And you know Richard Sherman's I'll
see a crew crew cover three guy by. You know,
we were breaking down film on that. He even came
to my games and like when I was coaching, he went,
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He came and supported and watched my dvs and all
I say, yeah, coach is a great dude, one of
my guys. Man would love to see him back here
in my high city. Well I'm not sure if that's
going to happen, but.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know, I'm laughing. Why our paths crossed, Okay when.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Because we were playing in NFL Europe and Greg was playing
for the Amsterdam Amirals and I was playing for the
Ryan Fire. So so we had our battles, but it
was even kind of raised a notch because both Greg
(12:20):
and I were allocated by the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So we were not only competing.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Against one another on the field for rival NFL Europe teams,
but we were also competing for jobs when we became stateside,
right to see who was going to make the team.
You know who was in charge of pro personnel during
that time.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
George Payton. Yes, he was interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's crazy, you know, the more you're in this business,
like in the world of sports and football, you realize
how how important connections are, that that's such an important
thing in the coaching world. I mean we've seen it
even in the media world, like connections are important. Like
I wasn't even in a full time when my past
first cross with you. When we sat down we did
a show together, right, that was pretty cool. Man. Here
we are full circle. Man, It's crazy how it all
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works out. I wanted to ask you this because you've
also been on you know, the personnel side of you know, coaching.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And evaluating as well.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
When you change a position coach and you have at
this position, for example, the Broncos have three guys who
are unrestricted free because justice, they're not Cody Barton, Zach Cunningham,
the veterans there. The only guys you have on contract
right now Alex Singleton coming off a cl Drew Sanders
who got switched back to that position after he tore
his achilles after playing that rusher, and Lavel Bailey, undrafted guy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
If you're hiring a new position.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Coach for this, is this more of a position coach
feedback or vance Joseph as a decordinator feedback combined with
Sean Payton feedback as to this is what we need
for this position? Like does the inside linebacker coach have
much say in who he has to work with? Or
is he as a coach and these are the guys
you have to work with, you have no input on it?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes and no?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Because sometimes and I love coaching, is that you may
see something that you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Want right, but you can't get it. It's like window shopping, right,
you see it all the time. Yes, you see it,
and you're like, I wish I can afford that, but
you can so you don't all It's like that. It
was a Bob Dylan song. You you can't always get
what you want, but you get what you need. Is
it Rollerstones? Okay, I don't know why I thought it
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was Bob Dylan maybe, but the whole idea is that
you're given players and said, well, you have to.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Work with with this, and sometimes I'm a coach, it
could be very difficult because a guy may be lacking
certain things that you have always worked with before, and
that's kind of the challenge from a coaching standpoint.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Now, you may know what you want that word is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Now passed on to the de coordinator, who now takes
it to the head coach, who takes it to the GM.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
They're gonna try to find you what you want.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If they can't, they're gonna get you as close to
it as they can, because at the end of the day,
the GM and the head coach had the final say.
And I'm sure Sean Payton his mindset is we have
to get better at that position.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He made that decision. It's very clear that he's thinking,
we have.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
To get better at that position. Now you go to
George Peyton and say, well, how do we get better? Right,
go out and find us a guy. Well, now you've
got to identify, well, what kind of guy fits what
Vance wants.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you go talk to Vance and you say, okay,
we want speed, athleticism, physicality, toughness, and someone who can communicate. Right,
you had all of those things you know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
In Alex Singleton, but he got injured. Yeah he's coming
off injury, and yes, Singleton did a great job. But
I know how this works. You know how this works.
Your player, you're coming off of injury, there is a
chance that you might not be the same player you
were before.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, and the organization may think that right, and it's
more so you got to prove it. And you know,
for Singleton, he's also one name that's been kind of
brought up, as you know, the team may look to
ask him.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
To restructure his deal since he's coming off of an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's funny how injuries it accelerates that side, right, I mean,
but that's the business side. And look, folks, I mean
it's it's one of those things that you don't always
agree with.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Is it always right?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
No, But it's understandable because the team is investing in
production to that position if they're not getting it and
they're paying for something they're not getting.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's almost like, you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Know, having all these unwanted subscriptions or something like that,
and every much they're like, wait a minute, I'm paying for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That and I'm not using that streaming service.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's crazy how it works out.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But I think that that creates a lot of questions here.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And obviously you and I've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There's some names will bring up here obviously coming up
here in a little bit in terms of okay, if
the Broncos do look to add let's say a player like,
I agree with you. I think I look at Vance
and he wants a rangy sideline to sideline speed at linebacker.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But here's the thing though, Sean Payton also said this
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We want linebackers who can tackle. If you can't tackle,
if you misstackles consistently, we don't want it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Like, so, how do you find that balance?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's no Fred Warner out there that's going to be
coming to the dever Broncos. There's no I mean, Matt Malone,
Zach Bond. Maybe can you pursue him in free agency?
Is certainly possible, but you know, I think you got
to look at some other options too, right, And obviously
the NFL draft presents another avenue, but then it's hard
to project. Okay, hey, there's this player at the college
level right now. Obviously the Shrine bulls going on, you
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got the Senior Bowl there, There's so much going on. Honestly,
Benjamin Albright's down there if you want to follow his feed,
he's got you guys covered there as well. At Albright
NFL you have to figure out how do you identify
the traits?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Because you can have the traits, how fast can those
traits translate to on field success.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, for me, the best thing for me turn on
the tape.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And obviously there are coaches who want to turn on
the tape of a guy playing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, yeah, you need the bad stuff. To me.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I want to turn on the tape where you're playing
Alabama and obviously they have more skilled players offensively than
you do. I want to see how you elevate your
play against that particular challenge.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now, I know those offensive.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Linemen's are they're going to get to the second level.
They're going to do dual block, cut you off. But
I want to see how you defeated the block, and
once you suffered a couple of negative plays, how did
you balance back? Your team might have lost Cody, but
what did you do in that one single fight where
you got to beat a double team, You got to
take on a full back, you got to drop in coverage.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
These are the things that are so important.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sometimes during an evaluation process they get lost because the
whole the eyes are drawn to the Ohio States because
of their national championship. Now you want to look at
those players who fit your scheme because guess what the
most important thing I learned from being around Neal parcels toughness,
both physical and mental.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's where you start.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Are there any players available in free agency that fit
that build? That's something we'll discuss here on Broncos Country
Night on KOA eight fifty A ninety four one FM,
one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I can't believe I just kind of screw that up,
but I know, I I know I did that obviously
once again, because when you when you listen to Mick
Jaggers sing, right, if you were to close your eyes,
do you not hear a little Bob Dylan in that?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, is it just me you hear just that's
just a litterally? Come on, grant me, well you think
all this white guys sound the same or what? Oh wow?
I mean Bob Dylan sounds more like me a little nasally.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well see, they tried to do this to me last night.
But you know, as far as not always getting what
you want, in my household, when I was growing up,
it was like seafood, You eat what was on your plate.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't care what you think you want.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So what you what you want is what I want
and I want you to eat that darn food.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So so yes, I used to have a great trip.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You know that because my my family, my grandpa was
the same same way.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You said, you're gonna sit there all night if you
don't need it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, So I used to do there. No, no, no, no, no,
you know, I had napkin on the lapping all form off.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Just drop it into the napkin, rolled up, throw it away. Bang,
there we go. Man, there was a.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Sign there was an episode of side fo But he
did that eating the mutton while you put it in
the napkin.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I guess mutton is some kind of beef or whatever. Cheap. Okay,
that's a mutton busting that's what.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, I did it now because you said mutton, I
was like, I don't know what that is, but I
watched the episode, stuffed the meat in the napkin and
stuffed it in the sofa. Then a dog jumped up
on the sofa and started scratching yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
There you go, brutal because we had no thank you helpings,
and my family no no thank you helpings. No matter
if you wanted it or not, you were getting a
little bit, and you were trying it. Even if you
said no thank you, you were getting a little bit.
And if you didn't need it, you didn't get to
leave the table.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, let me ask you guys this a question. Right. Oh,
I went over to a friend.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Of my wife's and they were serving food, and just
so happens, they put food on my plate that I
thought it was a tab bit too much because I said, just.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Give me a little, allow me to try it. They
gave me too much, so I ended up not eating
it at all. Now, is it rude or was it
rude for me to decline to eat the food? Keep
in mind, I said that give me a small amount,
let me try it out.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Is it because they gave you a larger amount that
you didn't eat it? Or did you try it and
not like it and then they gave you too much?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Inside of no, it's not for me. Well, I was
trying to be nice and say, well, hey, give me
a small amount, let me try it. Was it?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I can't remember exactly what it is. Meat It was.
It was like a meat pasta kind of combination. But
for me, I think it's the only curt is for
you to just say give me a small amount, let
me try it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Let me try it. If I want more, give me more.
But they gave me more, So I tried, and I
was like, nah, I'm good. I'll say this when we
when we host things my fiance and I.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
She's expanded my palate a little bit because mem I'm
very particular. I like certain things. I don't like certain
things like sushi. Sushi' is not my thing. It's just
never been. It's a texture thing for me. I feel like,
but yes, but I'm right there. She she's she looks
at me. She demands that I try it. All right,
and so I've braved it. I've tried it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Hold on for a second, what do you mean she
demands that you try it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
She will not like she'll say try it like, she
will not let it go until I try it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Nah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm not trying it. I try and I say that,
you know, I just don't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I don't want to. She said, come on, try it.
She has expanded my powder a little bit with it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just, yeah, you're not gonna catch me roka with sushi.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I know people love it. I just I just can't
do it. But you were shaking your head. You obviously
are a sushi guy of sushi.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But my wife is the same way as Cody that
hates seafood, doesn't ever want to try it. So I
have a roll with her once a year. You have
to try at least something that is seafood related.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I will say I grew up. I grew up on
the coast, and so I.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Lived a mile away from like, you know, the bay
where you know you put your boat and swell the
fishermen coming and they clean out, you know, they clean
the fish skin and everything.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You smell it every day and that it's a fresh fish.
I'm sure it is. I mean that smell. Man, that smell.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's like, man, can we cook that first? Because my
wife is a sushi person and she's like, well, you
don't have to cook everything. I said, well, if it's
going in my mouth, they don't.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, they're gonna flash fry. I hear it.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, it's like I heat tuning it with what is it?
The green stuff that's hot?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What's up? Yeah, I'm good shrimps and poor yes, because
it's fried.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
To hear something crazy Muffy she's allergic to shellfish and
like seafood and things like that. She eats sushi knowing
it's going to make her not feel great.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What Yeah, Now that just doesn't make any sense. It does.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She's from New York, so she knows beforehand it's going
to make her sick.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
She loves it. It doesn't make her sick. It just
you know, it just makes her not feel like totally. Well,
I tell her, I'm like, why do you do this here?
She's like, it's worth it. I'm like, all right, Like
for me, would it like if something what is something
you love that even if it made you feel bad,
you'd still do it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You still eat it? Carrot cake? Oh, carrot cake?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes, I don't know about carrot cake, mi am, but
I mean, yes, it's carrotcake for me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That's the only cake you like.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Well, I mean you said, if we the scenario, you
gained me okay, okay, yes, I mean limit limon pound
cake cake, Okay, potato pot you know if you take
sweet potato poe for me? Man, we got an issue.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm with you, I'm with you, I think for me
and I just I love me, love me a good
burger man, that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I can't do. You eat your burgers with your bun?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, not me. Well, it depends, like you know, I
like that. Well, I'm in the process right now. Of
getting in shape for the wedding. You know, we got
a wedding coming up, and they're trying.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
To cut your carbs.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know, not all cars aren't necessarily bad. It's just
not having more than you need, you know, Like for me,
I know how much protein I have to take in
to day, how many carbs are I'm allowed to have,
you know how much fat I'm allowed to consume with.
But I usually do like healthy fat and things like that.
But I'm very much like, if I'm gonna have a burger.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Absolutely I'm gonna take the bun. I love the bun.
I just can't do the lettuce trap. It's not my thing.
What's wrong with the lettuce rap? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I'm not hating on it, not hating on it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like I have lettuce on my burger. You know that's
a healthy part of it.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But well, tomato and onion, yeah, I just make the
tomatoes off.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm a ketchup guy, but I don't like tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You're a catsup guy, but you don't like tomatoes. Your
fiance alerts not she's not allergy to she's sick. Oh,
seafood gets him sick.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Shellfish, shelfish, Yeah, but still eat it. Oh she yeah,
that's her thing. She loves it. She's she's fire cracking. Man, heaven,
I tell you you know, we have time to get married.
That compromise, man, No, it should be good. Though.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We get a text in here someone says bacon, Jason.
So someone who likes bacon, So Jason. Obviously, I'm guessing
like for him, that would be what he eats, even
if it makes him feel bad.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I would be with Jason on that one. Okay, but
hold on for a second, hold on, hold on, Jason,
think about this. What type of bacon?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Because there's pork bacon, there's chicken bacon, there's turkey bacon,
and there's buffalo bacon.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So what's bacon?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Be more specific, there's only one type of real bacon.
Apple would smoke bacon made with pork. Yeah, no it's not, yes, yeah, yeah,
no it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I mean turkey bacon's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's because it doesn't crisped up enough. You eat that
grease popping in the pan. If the grease ain't popping,
I'm not I'm not not divulgeing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
In I can't do that. I stopped eating pork when
I was about ten years old.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Turkey bake is a good alternative, then, yes, it's bacon.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Honestly, you still taste tastes the same. Yes, I know
you don't have to season it. You just put in
the pan. You could it the same way you could bacon.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You don't put you don't put pepper on it, different
season I put like bacon, you could do like everything
bagel seasoning on it too, and it tastes really good.
Guaranteed you messing up bacon. You know I would say
this too. You know, the palate is is definitely expensive,
Like for me, seafood we have like a seafood appetizer
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at our wedding and I'm like, uh, I'm not sure
that's definitely something I can rock with.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But well, what more conversation about this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Here obviously on Broncos Country, and I will get into.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Some more positional previews. Found it interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We got a text from a listener who said they
have a story about seafood that they're allergic and unless
we want to accompany them to the hospital, got to
get that away from them because they said he tried
it on a date once and Dangier died and he
never heard from the girl again, That's that's brutal.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
That just means to go like you didn't Yeah, I
mean you dodged.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The bolt there, Ma Man, so sorry you got sick,
but Dodds went there. If you never heard from her again,
that's that's pretty low.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, that's traumatizing on two fronts if you think about it.
I mean for him finding out that he is allergic
to shellfish for the first time, but also having her
spectation and watch what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, we gotta get a little more backstory to that
in terms of what happened. Someone says having in and out, kiddie,
your wedding would be ideal. Yes, it would, except we're
on top of one of the tallest mountains here in
Colorado and there's no way to get u there except
four wheel drive, so we're gonna have to pass on
that one. I would love that though. That would be
a fantastic Here. Earlier, we were talking about linebackers, Nick,
and you and I were having a discussion on some
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free agent options. Maybe if Denver looks to revamp that position,
which could very much be a possibility considering the Broncos
made the move to move on from Greg Manuski, the
inside linebacker coach. Just yesterday. When I look at this list,
there are a couple veterans who've got a long lot
of experience. I don't know if they would be the
moves here for the Broncos, right, And so the name's
that I throw out there, Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner. I
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feel like, and I hate to sound like this, right
because this is the one thing I always get mad
about people saying about players, But I think the age
is definitely like it defers me a little bit. Leavonte
David's thirty five is gonna be three six, Bobby Wagner
is gonna be thirty five. And obviously I think he
played really well this past season with dan Quinn. If anything,
I think he returns to play with dan Quinn versus
going elsewhere at this point. I think he looked to
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go younger there and to fit that mold to having
a rangey, fast guy. I mean, there are a couple
of names here, but really it's not intriguing really outside
of Zach Bond, who's obviously going to the Super Bowl
right now playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, and Vic Fangio.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
See now you're sounding like someone in the front office.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, you know, he's a little too old here, and
I don't think he's gonna fit. Maybe he fits more
in this system than he does. These are some of
the things that you actually think about. But veteran players
are often overlooked in this league, and it's always based
on costs and injury. But there's enough value to veteran guys,
and that's experience. And you look for experience in a
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similar type scheme to bring those guys in knowing as
though they're going to lead the guys behind them. Now,
during the break, you also brought up a guy by
the name of Willie Gay. And I remember Willy Gay
from his days with the Chiefs and he was very productive.
Not so much but the Saints. But that goes by.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, that defense is rough, but I want to raise
you another guy. Now. I don't know if this would.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Happen because I don't know what things were like where
he once was, But there's some familiarity with this particular
player inside linebacker Isaiah Simmons, right, because Isaiah was with
you know, the Cardinals, right exactly. So you're looking for
fast athletic guy who may be familiar with the scheme.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And then if you were to go that direction.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
With Isaiah Simmons, you put him right behind someone he's
familiar with, or a guy who played in a similar
different defense in Zach Allen. And what you do is
that having those guys up front, they can help guys
out on the back end. And here's what I mean
by that, depending on what system that you're playing up front,
those guys can keep the double teams off the linebackers
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to allow them to scrape and get over the top.
And what I mean by scrape meaning if there's a
play that's going east to west, those players don't have
anyone in their chest and they can run downhill and
they can make tap was just like you mentioned Fred Warner.
I mean I was in San Francisco with Johnny Holland
and Damico Ryans and saw how well they coached him
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up on the fundamentals of playing the linebacker position, which
allowed him to use a lot of his natural ability.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So some of these guys that were throwing out I.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Think would be great fits for the Broncos, but we're
just time would tell whether they go in that direction
or not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, that's a great question too.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It and I also think, like for Isaiah Simmons, I'm
glad you brought that name up. Wasn't there a concern
there too, like they were trying to figure out how
to properly use him in Arizona. I know that was
a conversation point because he was playing safety initially, and
then with the Giants he started playing some linebacker. That
was impressive. You know, Texter comes in, says Drake Greenlaw
or Nick Bolton. Question Mark, if Zach Bond isn't you know,
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resigns with the Eagles. That's a great question obvious here
from a guy dy and monument. Drake Greenlaw is a
player that you know, I have always been impressed with.
He had that freak thing happened to him during the
Super Bowl where he's just going to round on field
and his achilles snap right, and then I know he
came back at some point that you had another injury.
It wasn't achilles, but it caused him to miss the
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remainder of the season. Do you look at a guy
like Drake Greenlaw.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
He may just do that look at him. Oh that's
all that's all you do.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Because once again, remember how you started this all you know,
did you start looking at age? You look at injury
that you look at when Greenlaw came back in for
San Francisco, what was his rate of production? Because you
gotta look at not just the injury itself. How did
the player come back from that injury? Was he still
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playing at a high level? The same way you compare
a younger guy, I mean an older guy.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Is he still playing at a high level.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
If they're still playing at a high level, you kick
the tires on it. Well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And that's why you know, you look at every piece
of information you get guys in.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You analyze what they may bring to the table.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Can they overcome that the injuries, things like that so
that the Broncos is going to do and look, I
think some of that ties into the mentality of some
old school narratives versus some of the news cool nerrors
we see in coaching and obviously how we view football players.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We'll break it down here
Speaker 1 (34:03):
On Broncos cushing out on KOA eight fifty am ninety
four one FM.
Broncos Country to Night, Cory, you are feeling it for
Benjamin Albright to night launch side, Nick Ferguson, and here'sn't
Banjo's there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Nick, you know what that means. That means that I'm
going the opposite way.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, yes, ideally, if you ever hear this in real life,
if you're walking anywhere and this this actually comes on,
you should be you should be afraid. You should definitely
go another direction. But this means there's some good news. Oh,
this is someone that we know. There's Banjo.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So that's why grin because I was at first I
was thinking, you know, I'm looking around like maybe I
need to get the.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hell out of that. What's happening Banjos?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You see?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Then tell me weed across the road. It's like, I
don't know what am I doing yet. No, this is
actually some good news.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The Broncos just fresh moments ago, were informed that they're
losing assistant Special Teams coach Chris Banjo getting a promotion
special Teams coordinator for Aaron Glenn and the New York
Jets well deserved there for Banjo. But as you and
I were talking about four one on air here, it's
crazy to think about just two years ago he was
a player still in the NFL and his rise very
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very quick from you know, being a player to be
an assistant to now coordinator. You know, happy for Banjo.
He does things the right way. A lot of players
love Banjo from guys that I spoke to Jalen Virgil,
former bronco who looked really cut his teeth a little
bit on the special team side the last in training
camp this year and also last year before his injury,
had a lot of high praise there for Banjo.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I can understand the high praise because you know, if
you are around Chris, which a lot of fans don't
have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
To be around.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But you could just see that his energy is infectious
and there was a reason why he was brought in here.
And you just look at the connections and the ties
from his time in New Orleans, his time in Arizona
with Vance, his time being around Mike Westoff, and I
mean it just it just kind of messed at the
right time. And the biggest thing for me, he is
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what was odd And I didn't recall this until one
of my former CFL coaches in NFL Euro coaches you know,
mentioned to me.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He was like, well, Nick, do you remember when you
were in Houston?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
And I was like, yeah, there was a guy that
I asked you to talk to that we were recruiting
and we had resigned, and there was a lot about
his game that reminded this particular coach of me. So
I once this coach told me this story, I started
to go back and recall where I was in my
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place in Houston, and I was and I went, oh, snap,
it was Chris so as when he was a recruiting Chris,
I was one of the guys that he spoke to.
Once Chris Folony committed, and I think SMU had a
game in Houston and I had the chance to go
buy the hotel and kind of talk to my former coach.
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Didn't get a chance to meet Chris because I had
to leave out there to go to a team meeting.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But it was kind of things that come full circle.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And when Chris first got the job here, Mike Westoff
wanted me to come by the office because he was
watching family. Wanted me to watch film with him. And yes, listen,
watching film with Mike Westoffs it's a thing of beauty
because he's not sour on words, and he's not sour
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on praise because he's gonna tell it how it is
and sometimes it's not exactly what you want. But I
got a chance to meet Chris face to face and
a lunch all and I got a chance to know
him while he was here coaching with the team, And
I thought as soon as Aaron got that job.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was like, could this actually happen? Can we put
two and two it together?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it's great for Chris, being a young player having
this opportunity, you know, this early in his coaching career,
to be able to say that he is.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Especially teams coordinator. And I know that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Chris was taught very well from Vincott Wicka to Mike
west Up. So I mean, it's kind of bittersweet when
you really think about it, Cody, because you think about
the number of coaches and front off of staff that
the Broncos have lost thus far.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Man, it's been a growing list.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There have been two departures based on a team moving on.
There's been three promotions so far from a coaching staff,
one promotion obviously from the front office with Darren Musey
going to the Jets. So now It's like Mouse knows
all about Banjo too, So I'm sure having that extra influence.
Aaron Glenn knows all about Banjo because he coached him.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you know what, when you.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Know a guy and you're like, hey, I coach this guy,
I know how he learns, I know how he teaches,
and you see the transition that he's made, Obviously it
carries over. And I can tell you this just going
out there, even at training camp and even in the
regular season. Right, a lot of people go to training
camp and they see everything, but we get a little
bit more up close view than a lot of the
fans because they moved us to where, you know, you're
really close to the sideline. Also, the one thing I
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liked about Banjo, how good of a teacher is like
the little details right he's talking about, you know, if
you're if you're a gunner and you've got let's say
you got double jammers on you, what's the best way
to attack that, right, Especially let's say you're trying to
punt the ball. You're on you're lined up as a
gunner on the right side, You're trying to punt the
ball to the left side, and you've got to be
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able to track but get off contact from those two guys.
He went through the minute details on how to get
a jammer to open up the wrong way. That way
you can clear a path, because the number one thing
you don't want to do on special teams if you're
a gunner, you don't want to get jammed by two
guys rolled into the sideline and then you have a
big alley that's given up that the return team takes.
So it's just the little tiny details that he emphasizes
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in every day of practice, even in the regular season
where fans don't really get a seed it up close
and personal. Banjo has every script, every play design and
even if the scout looks that he's gonna go through
with his guys, and I think Ben Codwick, especially after
Mike Westoff had to step away after that Chiefs game,
did a really good job, I think of taking on
more and it was very impressive inside the locker room.
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I know a couple of coaches said that they liked
and obviously, you know, for Banjo you learn a lot
from the coaches that you played for as well, so
I'm sure for him transition from player to coach, things
he learned from Mike west Off he carried over to
being a coach right and certainly obviously here on today's
show on the KOA Broncos Country Night, we're going to
talk a lot about coaching coaching styles. One thing I
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want you to think upon, Stu, as we're doing the
show here tonight, and also anyone who's listening to this
as well, make sure you test texts on the Commic
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Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is there anything your coaches used.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
To say to you that you still say to this
day you apply to certain situations.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So we'll get to that a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Obviously, we has our NFL six pack coming up towards
the end of the show tonight. But just you mentioned
the change there Nick Banjo a promotion. Obviously great there.
We didn't get to talk about it because it happened
the other night when we were doing the show. But
Sean Payton made another coaching change himself, moving on from
inside linebacker coach Greg Minouski.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Very interesting move.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Here considering you know what we talked about the other day,
the linebacker being a potential position to need for the
Broncos this offseason. What were your thoughts initially on this
coaching change, because this is who we hired when he
came in, and I remember where Sean was filling out
his staff. Everyone's like, how come it's taken so long
to fill out a staff. But Sean came out early
on and said, you know, his philosophy is slow to hire,
quick to fire. Two years into it, you move on
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from a linebacker coach that says something before.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Before I do that, I want to make sure the
listeners understand something that you said earlier when.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
We were talking about a special team.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
When you think about a gunner, a gunner is on
punt team and that individual is like a wide receiver
and their job is to get down the field beat
two guys and those two defenders are called jammers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That gunner his.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Job is to try to find anyway scratch, pull, kick, claw,
whatever to get down feel and actually making a play
on the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And you see it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You see sometimes the guys able to get the ball
and beat it back and now he holds the opponent
on the one yard line and everyone is applauding, and
you're like, well, why is everyone applauding that, Because in
the role of special teams, that's considered a great play
because you essentially flip the field by backing.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The opponent up. So I just wanted to make sure
that that was clear.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
But as far as it's moved with the linebackers coach,
we knew that the Broncos were going to have to
make somewhat of a personnel adjustment, and initially we thought
it was just going to be personnel as far as
the guys playing the position.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But what happens at the end of every.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Single year, whether teams win to lose, but more importantly,
if you are on the losing side of things, there
is an evaluation process that takes place across the board.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And they're not only evaluating the guys who are in expiring.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Deals guys who are in existing contracts, but they're also
evaluating the scouting staff, they're value waiting, their coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Are there things.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That we could have been better in these particular areas?
Did this coach provide the necessary teaching?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Notice I didn't say coaching, the necessary different teaching to
kind of put players where they need to be. And
obviously the Broncos had some issues at the linebacker position,
so they needed strategic coaching to kind of get these
guys on the right page in orders, though you didn't
really get all of the production you want from the
linebacker position.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Sometimes this is kind of result.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And that's not to say that, you know, Monoski didn't
need to do a great job, but due to the evaluation.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Process, it wasn't the standard. Yes, and one has asked, well,
what is that standard?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right? And this goes back to the Broncos trying to
establish that And this is always tough for a lot
of individuals that I had a conversation with the GM
of today and asking a question as to how difficult
is it to part ways with a coach or a
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player that you've come to know, you've watched them go
to work every single day, how difficult that is? And
sometimes Cody, in the world of sports, most people just look, Okay,
well the guy did this, the guy didn't do this,
But they forget about the humanistic.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Side of the game. So the Broncos lose a coach,
they're gonna have to try to get another coach in here.
How quickly will you be able to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I don't know, but I would only assume that they
have to do it really fast because you got the
Shrine and Bowl and the Singer Bowl taking place, and
you need to have things in place to be able
to evaluate coach, I mean evaluate players.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know what I found a little interesting. I wonder
maybe reading the team leaves here. You remember a few
years ago Greg Williams, not the infamous Greg Williams for
all the bast stuff in New Orleans, but the former
DV coach Greg Williams that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was here twenty eighteen with ants.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Initially, Uh, he was the he was the linebacker coaches
here for the Los Angeles Rams. So pardon me, is wondering,
you know, depending on what the Rams decided to do,
I mean they evaluate staff too. I wonder if that
could be someone who ends up here in Denver. I'm
very curiously who fills that position. We'll see how that goes.
I love coach Wins, one of my guys, great teacher.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, yeah, so where did your path cross with Gray?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Because coaching clinic coaching clinic. Yeah, yeah, we're both at
a coaching clinic together. He was hosting a summit and
he was, you know, going over defensive back drills and
we're we're going over things like you know what a
clue covered corner is. And you know Richard Sherman's I'll
see a crew crew cover three guy by. You know,
we were breaking down film on that. He even came
to my games and like when I was coaching, he went,
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He came and supported and watched my dvs and all
I say, yeah, coach is a great dude, one of
my guys. Man would love to see him back here
in my high city. Well I'm not sure if that's
going to happen, but.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know, I'm laughing. Why our paths crossed, Okay when.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Because we were playing in NFL Europe and Greg was playing
for the Amsterdam Amirals and I was playing for the
Ryan Fire. So so we had our battles, but it
was even kind of raised a notch because both Greg
(12:20):
and I were allocated by the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So we were not only competing.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Against one another on the field for rival NFL Europe teams,
but we were also competing for jobs when we became stateside,
right to see who was going to make the team.
You know who was in charge of pro personnel during
that time.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
George Payton. Yes, he was interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's crazy, you know, the more you're in this business,
like in the world of sports and football, you realize
how how important connections are, that that's such an important
thing in the coaching world. I mean we've seen it
even in the media world, like connections are important. Like
I wasn't even in a full time when my past
first cross with you. When we sat down we did
a show together, right, that was pretty cool. Man. Here
we are full circle. Man, It's crazy how it all
(13:07):
works out. I wanted to ask you this because you've
also been on you know, the personnel side of you know, coaching.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And evaluating as well.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
When you change a position coach and you have at
this position, for example, the Broncos have three guys who
are unrestricted free because justice, they're not Cody Barton, Zach Cunningham,
the veterans there. The only guys you have on contract
right now Alex Singleton coming off a cl Drew Sanders
who got switched back to that position after he tore
his achilles after playing that rusher, and Lavel Bailey, undrafted guy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
If you're hiring a new position.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Coach for this, is this more of a position coach
feedback or vance Joseph as a decordinator feedback combined with
Sean Payton feedback as to this is what we need
for this position? Like does the inside linebacker coach have
much say in who he has to work with? Or
is he as a coach and these are the guys
you have to work with, you have no input on it?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes and no?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Because sometimes and I love coaching, is that you may
see something that you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Want right, but you can't get it. It's like window shopping, right,
you see it all the time. Yes, you see it,
and you're like, I wish I can afford that, but
you can so you don't all It's like that. It
was a Bob Dylan song. You you can't always get
what you want, but you get what you need. Is
it Rollerstones? Okay, I don't know why I thought it
(14:28):
was Bob Dylan maybe, but the whole idea is that
you're given players and said, well, you have to.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Work with with this, and sometimes I'm a coach, it
could be very difficult because a guy may be lacking
certain things that you have always worked with before, and
that's kind of the challenge from a coaching standpoint.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Now, you may know what you want that word is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Now passed on to the de coordinator, who now takes
it to the head coach, who takes it to the GM.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
They're gonna try to find you what you want.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If they can't, they're gonna get you as close to
it as they can, because at the end of the day,
the GM and the head coach had the final say.
And I'm sure Sean Payton his mindset is we have
to get better at that position.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He made that decision. It's very clear that he's thinking,
we have.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
To get better at that position. Now you go to
George Peyton and say, well, how do we get better? Right,
go out and find us a guy. Well, now you've
got to identify, well, what kind of guy fits what
Vance wants.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you go talk to Vance and you say, okay,
we want speed, athleticism, physicality, toughness, and someone who can communicate. Right,
you had all of those things you know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
In Alex Singleton, but he got injured. Yeah he's coming
off injury, and yes, Singleton did a great job. But
I know how this works. You know how this works.
Your player, you're coming off of injury, there is a
chance that you might not be the same player you
were before.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, and the organization may think that right, and it's
more so you got to prove it. And you know,
for Singleton, he's also one name that's been kind of
brought up, as you know, the team may look to
ask him.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
To restructure his deal since he's coming off of an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's funny how injuries it accelerates that side, right, I mean,
but that's the business side. And look, folks, I mean
it's it's one of those things that you don't always
agree with.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Is it always right?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
No, But it's understandable because the team is investing in
production to that position if they're not getting it and
they're paying for something they're not getting.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's almost like, you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Know, having all these unwanted subscriptions or something like that,
and every much they're like, wait a minute, I'm paying for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That and I'm not using that streaming service.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's crazy how it works out.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But I think that that creates a lot of questions here.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And obviously you and I've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There's some names will bring up here obviously coming up
here in a little bit in terms of okay, if
the Broncos do look to add let's say a player like,
I agree with you. I think I look at Vance
and he wants a rangy sideline to sideline speed at linebacker.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But here's the thing though, Sean Payton also said this
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We want linebackers who can tackle. If you can't tackle,
if you misstackles consistently, we don't want it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Like, so, how do you find that balance?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's no Fred Warner out there that's going to be
coming to the dever Broncos. There's no I mean, Matt Malone,
Zach Bond. Maybe can you pursue him in free agency?
Is certainly possible, but you know, I think you got
to look at some other options too, right, And obviously
the NFL draft presents another avenue, but then it's hard
to project. Okay, hey, there's this player at the college
level right now. Obviously the Shrine bulls going on, you
(17:23):
got the Senior Bowl there, There's so much going on. Honestly,
Benjamin Albright's down there if you want to follow his feed,
he's got you guys covered there as well. At Albright
NFL you have to figure out how do you identify
the traits?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Because you can have the traits, how fast can those
traits translate to on field success.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, for me, the best thing for me turn on
the tape.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And obviously there are coaches who want to turn on
the tape of a guy playing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, yeah, you need the bad stuff. To me.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I want to turn on the tape where you're playing
Alabama and obviously they have more skilled players offensively than
you do. I want to see how you elevate your
play against that particular challenge.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now, I know those offensive.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Linemen's are they're going to get to the second level.
They're going to do dual block, cut you off. But
I want to see how you defeated the block, and
once you suffered a couple of negative plays, how did
you balance back? Your team might have lost Cody, but
what did you do in that one single fight where
you got to beat a double team, You got to
take on a full back, you got to drop in coverage.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
These are the things that are so important.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sometimes during an evaluation process they get lost because the
whole the eyes are drawn to the Ohio States because
of their national championship. Now you want to look at
those players who fit your scheme because guess what the
most important thing I learned from being around Neal parcels toughness,
both physical and mental.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's where you start.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Are there any players available in free agency that fit
that build? That's something we'll discuss here on Broncos Country
Night on KOA eight fifty A ninety four one FM,
one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I can't believe I just kind of screw that up,
but I know, I I know I did that obviously
once again, because when you when you listen to Mick
Jaggers sing, right, if you were to close your eyes,
do you not hear a little Bob Dylan in that?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, is it just me you hear just that's
just a litterally? Come on, grant me, well you think
all this white guys sound the same or what? Oh wow?
I mean Bob Dylan sounds more like me a little nasally.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well see, they tried to do this to me last night.
But you know, as far as not always getting what
you want, in my household, when I was growing up,
it was like seafood, You eat what was on your plate.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't care what you think you want.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So what you what you want is what I want
and I want you to eat that darn food.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So so yes, I used to have a great trip.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You know that because my my family, my grandpa was
the same same way.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You said, you're gonna sit there all night if you
don't need it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, So I used to do there. No, no, no, no, no,
you know, I had napkin on the lapping all form off.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Just drop it into the napkin, rolled up, throw it away. Bang,
there we go. Man, there was a.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Sign there was an episode of side fo But he
did that eating the mutton while you put it in
the napkin.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I guess mutton is some kind of beef or whatever. Cheap. Okay,
that's a mutton busting that's what.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, I did it now because you said mutton, I
was like, I don't know what that is, but I
watched the episode, stuffed the meat in the napkin and
stuffed it in the sofa. Then a dog jumped up
on the sofa and started scratching yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
There you go, brutal because we had no thank you helpings,
and my family no no thank you helpings. No matter
if you wanted it or not, you were getting a
little bit, and you were trying it. Even if you
said no thank you, you were getting a little bit.
And if you didn't need it, you didn't get to
leave the table.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, let me ask you guys this a question. Right. Oh,
I went over to a friend.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Of my wife's and they were serving food, and just
so happens, they put food on my plate that I
thought it was a tab bit too much because I said, just.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Give me a little, allow me to try it. They
gave me too much, so I ended up not eating
it at all. Now, is it rude or was it
rude for me to decline to eat the food? Keep
in mind, I said that give me a small amount,
let me try it out.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Is it because they gave you a larger amount that
you didn't eat it? Or did you try it and
not like it and then they gave you too much?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Inside of no, it's not for me. Well, I was
trying to be nice and say, well, hey, give me
a small amount, let me try it. Was it?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I can't remember exactly what it is. Meat It was.
It was like a meat pasta kind of combination. But
for me, I think it's the only curt is for
you to just say give me a small amount, let
me try it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Let me try it. If I want more, give me more.
But they gave me more, So I tried, and I
was like, nah, I'm good. I'll say this when we
when we host things my fiance and I.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
She's expanded my palate a little bit because mem I'm
very particular. I like certain things. I don't like certain
things like sushi. Sushi' is not my thing. It's just
never been. It's a texture thing for me. I feel like,
but yes, but I'm right there. She she's she looks
at me. She demands that I try it. All right,
and so I've braved it. I've tried it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Hold on for a second, what do you mean she
demands that you try it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
She will not like she'll say try it like, she
will not let it go until I try it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Nah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm not trying it. I try and I say that,
you know, I just don't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I don't want to. She said, come on, try it.
She has expanded my powder a little bit with it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just, yeah, you're not gonna catch me roka with sushi.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I know people love it. I just I just can't
do it. But you were shaking your head. You obviously
are a sushi guy of sushi.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But my wife is the same way as Cody that
hates seafood, doesn't ever want to try it. So I
have a roll with her once a year. You have
to try at least something that is seafood related.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I will say I grew up. I grew up on
the coast, and so I.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Lived a mile away from like, you know, the bay
where you know you put your boat and swell the
fishermen coming and they clean out, you know, they clean
the fish skin and everything.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You smell it every day and that it's a fresh fish.
I'm sure it is. I mean that smell. Man, that smell.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's like, man, can we cook that first? Because my
wife is a sushi person and she's like, well, you
don't have to cook everything. I said, well, if it's
going in my mouth, they don't.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, they're gonna flash fry. I hear it.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, it's like I heat tuning it with what is it?
The green stuff that's hot?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What's up? Yeah, I'm good shrimps and poor yes, because
it's fried.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
To hear something crazy Muffy she's allergic to shellfish and
like seafood and things like that. She eats sushi knowing
it's going to make her not feel great.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What Yeah, Now that just doesn't make any sense. It does.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She's from New York, so she knows beforehand it's going
to make her sick.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
She loves it. It doesn't make her sick. It just
you know, it just makes her not feel like totally. Well,
I tell her, I'm like, why do you do this here?
She's like, it's worth it. I'm like, all right, Like
for me, would it like if something what is something
you love that even if it made you feel bad,
you'd still do it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You still eat it? Carrot cake? Oh, carrot cake?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes, I don't know about carrot cake, mi am, but
I mean, yes, it's carrotcake for me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That's the only cake you like.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Well, I mean you said, if we the scenario, you
gained me okay, okay, yes, I mean limit limon pound
cake cake, Okay, potato pot you know if you take
sweet potato poe for me? Man, we got an issue.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm with you, I'm with you, I think for me
and I just I love me, love me a good
burger man, that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I can't do. You eat your burgers with your bun?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, not me. Well, it depends, like you know, I
like that. Well, I'm in the process right now. Of
getting in shape for the wedding. You know, we got
a wedding coming up, and they're trying.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
To cut your carbs.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know, not all cars aren't necessarily bad. It's just
not having more than you need, you know, Like for me,
I know how much protein I have to take in
to day, how many carbs are I'm allowed to have,
you know how much fat I'm allowed to consume with.
But I usually do like healthy fat and things like that.
But I'm very much like, if I'm gonna have a burger.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Absolutely I'm gonna take the bun. I love the bun.
I just can't do the lettuce trap. It's not my thing.
What's wrong with the lettuce rap? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I'm not hating on it, not hating on it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like I have lettuce on my burger. You know that's
a healthy part of it.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But well, tomato and onion, yeah, I just make the
tomatoes off.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm a ketchup guy, but I don't like tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You're a catsup guy, but you don't like tomatoes. Your
fiance alerts not she's not allergy to she's sick. Oh,
seafood gets him sick.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Shellfish, shelfish, Yeah, but still eat it. Oh she yeah,
that's her thing. She loves it. She's she's fire cracking. Man, heaven,
I tell you you know, we have time to get married.
That compromise, man, No, it should be good. Though.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We get a text in here someone says bacon, Jason.
So someone who likes bacon, So Jason. Obviously, I'm guessing
like for him, that would be what he eats, even
if it makes him feel bad.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I would be with Jason on that one. Okay, but
hold on for a second, hold on, hold on, Jason,
think about this. What type of bacon?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Because there's pork bacon, there's chicken bacon, there's turkey bacon,
and there's buffalo bacon.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So what's bacon?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Be more specific, there's only one type of real bacon.
Apple would smoke bacon made with pork. Yeah, no it's not, yes, yeah, yeah,
no it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I mean turkey bacon's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's because it doesn't crisped up enough. You eat that
grease popping in the pan. If the grease ain't popping,
I'm not I'm not not divulgeing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
In I can't do that. I stopped eating pork when
I was about ten years old.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Turkey bake is a good alternative, then, yes, it's bacon.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Honestly, you still taste tastes the same. Yes, I know
you don't have to season it. You just put in
the pan. You could it the same way you could bacon.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You don't put you don't put pepper on it, different
season I put like bacon, you could do like everything
bagel seasoning on it too, and it tastes really good.
Guaranteed you messing up bacon. You know I would say
this too. You know, the palate is is definitely expensive,
Like for me, seafood we have like a seafood appetizer
(27:49):
at our wedding and I'm like, uh, I'm not sure
that's definitely something I can rock with.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But well, what more conversation about this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Here obviously on Broncos Country, and I will get into.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Some more positional previews. Found it interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We got a text from a listener who said they
have a story about seafood that they're allergic and unless
we want to accompany them to the hospital, got to
get that away from them because they said he tried
it on a date once and Dangier died and he
never heard from the girl again, That's that's brutal.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
That just means to go like you didn't Yeah, I
mean you dodged.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The bolt there, Ma Man, so sorry you got sick,
but Dodds went there. If you never heard from her again,
that's that's pretty low.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, that's traumatizing on two fronts if you think about it.
I mean for him finding out that he is allergic
to shellfish for the first time, but also having her
spectation and watch what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, we gotta get a little more backstory to that
in terms of what happened. Someone says having in and out, kiddie,
your wedding would be ideal. Yes, it would, except we're
on top of one of the tallest mountains here in
Colorado and there's no way to get u there except
four wheel drive, so we're gonna have to pass on
that one. I would love that though. That would be
a fantastic Here. Earlier, we were talking about linebackers, Nick,
and you and I were having a discussion on some
(29:08):
free agent options. Maybe if Denver looks to revamp that position,
which could very much be a possibility considering the Broncos
made the move to move on from Greg Manuski, the
inside linebacker coach. Just yesterday. When I look at this list,
there are a couple veterans who've got a long lot
of experience. I don't know if they would be the
moves here for the Broncos, right, And so the name's
that I throw out there, Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner. I
(29:30):
feel like, and I hate to sound like this, right
because this is the one thing I always get mad
about people saying about players, But I think the age
is definitely like it defers me a little bit. Leavonte
David's thirty five is gonna be three six, Bobby Wagner
is gonna be thirty five. And obviously I think he
played really well this past season with dan Quinn. If anything,
I think he returns to play with dan Quinn versus
going elsewhere at this point. I think he looked to
(29:54):
go younger there and to fit that mold to having
a rangey, fast guy. I mean, there are a couple
of names here, but really it's not intriguing really outside
of Zach Bond, who's obviously going to the Super Bowl
right now playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, and Vic Fangio.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
See now you're sounding like someone in the front office.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, you know, he's a little too old here, and
I don't think he's gonna fit. Maybe he fits more
in this system than he does. These are some of
the things that you actually think about. But veteran players
are often overlooked in this league, and it's always based
on costs and injury. But there's enough value to veteran guys,
and that's experience. And you look for experience in a
(30:32):
similar type scheme to bring those guys in knowing as
though they're going to lead the guys behind them. Now,
during the break, you also brought up a guy by
the name of Willie Gay. And I remember Willy Gay
from his days with the Chiefs and he was very productive.
Not so much but the Saints. But that goes by.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, that defense is rough, but I want to raise
you another guy. Now. I don't know if this would.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Happen because I don't know what things were like where
he once was, But there's some familiarity with this particular
player inside linebacker Isaiah Simmons, right, because Isaiah was with
you know, the Cardinals, right exactly. So you're looking for
fast athletic guy who may be familiar with the scheme.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And then if you were to go that direction.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
With Isaiah Simmons, you put him right behind someone he's
familiar with, or a guy who played in a similar
different defense in Zach Allen. And what you do is
that having those guys up front, they can help guys
out on the back end. And here's what I mean
by that, depending on what system that you're playing up front,
those guys can keep the double teams off the linebackers
(31:47):
to allow them to scrape and get over the top.
And what I mean by scrape meaning if there's a
play that's going east to west, those players don't have
anyone in their chest and they can run downhill and
they can make tap was just like you mentioned Fred Warner.
I mean I was in San Francisco with Johnny Holland
and Damico Ryans and saw how well they coached him
(32:08):
up on the fundamentals of playing the linebacker position, which
allowed him to use a lot of his natural ability.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So some of these guys that were throwing out I.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Think would be great fits for the Broncos, but we're
just time would tell whether they go in that direction
or not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, that's a great question too.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It and I also think, like for Isaiah Simmons, I'm
glad you brought that name up. Wasn't there a concern
there too, like they were trying to figure out how
to properly use him in Arizona. I know that was
a conversation point because he was playing safety initially, and
then with the Giants he started playing some linebacker. That
was impressive. You know, Texter comes in, says Drake Greenlaw
or Nick Bolton. Question Mark, if Zach Bond isn't you know,
(32:45):
resigns with the Eagles. That's a great question obvious here
from a guy dy and monument. Drake Greenlaw is a
player that you know, I have always been impressed with.
He had that freak thing happened to him during the
Super Bowl where he's just going to round on field
and his achilles snap right, and then I know he
came back at some point that you had another injury.
It wasn't achilles, but it caused him to miss the
(33:05):
remainder of the season. Do you look at a guy
like Drake Greenlaw.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
He may just do that look at him. Oh that's
all that's all you do.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Because once again, remember how you started this all you know,
did you start looking at age? You look at injury
that you look at when Greenlaw came back in for
San Francisco, what was his rate of production? Because you
gotta look at not just the injury itself. How did
the player come back from that injury? Was he still
(33:37):
playing at a high level? The same way you compare
a younger guy, I mean an older guy.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Is he still playing at a high level.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
If they're still playing at a high level, you kick
the tires on it. Well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And that's why you know, you look at every piece
of information you get guys in.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You analyze what they may bring to the table.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Can they overcome that the injuries, things like that so
that the Broncos is going to do and look, I
think some of that ties into the mentality of some
old school narratives versus some of the news cool nerrors
we see in coaching and obviously how we view football players.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We'll break it down here
Speaker 1 (34:03):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Cold Case Files: Miami
Joyce Sapp, 76; Bryan Herrera, 16; and Laurance Webb, 32—three Miami residents whose lives were stolen in brutal, unsolved homicides. Cold Case Files: Miami follows award‑winning radio host and City of Miami Police reserve officer Enrique Santos as he partners with the department’s Cold Case Homicide Unit, determined family members, and the advocates who spend their lives fighting for justice for the victims who can no longer fight for themselves.