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Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to start right off the bat with the
betting odds coming out and having T Higgins, having the
Broncos is the favorites to land T Higgins. I don't
think that's a thing that's going to happen, but the
sports books certainly have it at the top of the list.
What do you think about the sports books putting T
Higgins the Broncos the top of the list to land
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Ti Higgins.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, if you're a Broncos fan, you're happy about the
numbers in Vegas kind of leaning heavily towards T Higgins
landing here. And I know when you look at it
just seem as though, well, that's kind of a long
shot that he would end up for here with the
Denver Broncos. And when you listen to the fans talk
about it, it's like, well, no, you don't need T
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Higgins at a price tag that could be around thirty
million dollars. The team has other needs safety, linebacker, and
obviously you have a lot of fans voting for running back.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But these are things that you have to you know.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The can proverbally down the hill to see if there
is some noise. I mean, you don't know unless you
try and if you try and it doesn't work out,
you pivoting, you go into a different direction. But just saying, okay, well,
looking at the money, there's no way that that would
work out. And looking at the history of Sean Payton
and not really paying wide receivers that type of money.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well yeah, in that scenario, Court said, would definitely be gone.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't understand. I mean, I mean, it's it's what's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Every Broncos fan is clamoring over wide receivers and I'm like,
it's just not like I try to tell you, guys
when they wire, that's not how Sean Payton works. Usually
gets his guy whoever that is, through the draft and
he'll pay him later.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They don't go out and spend on wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They spend on the homegrown guy, and they'll go out
and spend on a tight end, but they don't usually
go out there and spend on on receivers like that.
T Higgins, by the way, from what I understand, wants
something in the neighborhood of four years, forty five million
dollars per year with something like sixty to eighty million
and guaranteed, and I don't believe that that is something
that the Broncos would even entertain for a moment.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
No, I don't, But you know it's going back to coach.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Payden for just a moment and looking at what he's
done in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And usually we are.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Judged by the past as a way of predicting what
is to come in the future. And I will say,
I mean every person, you hope they grow and evolution
is a part of what they do. And who's to
say that Coach Payden cannot decide to change his mind.
Understanding that you think about both Nicks being on somewhat
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of a Ricky contract, that's not to say that you
know both he and George Payden are willing to go
out and give T Higgins this is the amount.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Of money Now player can say, hey, this is what
I want.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But when you sit down and talk to a team,
and that team gives you a future outlook of what
they're trying to accomplish, and it's all about selling that team,
selling the franchise, right.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean T Higgins had chance to.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
See this Broncos offense up close and personal, to see
what they have what they don't have, and Sean Payton
could be savvy enough to maybe tim Tim and a
certain way to say, Okay, well, here's our projected lineup
of what we want to do a free agent without
givaway all the trade secrets. We add you to the mix,
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we go into the draft, we get another run it
back a tight end. I mean, we talked about it
yesterday on a sports suit about the fact of maybe
adding Taysom Keel to this roster. But for me, if
you're gonna do that, obviously you have to make sure
that his route running ability is where you needed to be.
But I would say Taysom Hill right now is better
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than any of the tight ends of the Broncos have.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I believe that out there get Jawan Johnson Hill's
coming off day injury, It's gonna be a while for
his ready.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I wouldn't be surprised they get him as well.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But you know, and I think they'll go to the
draft for another tight end on top of it. I
do believe that they're gonna hammer that position. But you know,
looking at looking at his receivers, are we even sure
that t Higgins is what everybody thinks he is?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Because well, what makes you say that?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Because He's been the one bee behind Jamar Chase his
whole When the Bengals need to play, they go to
Jamar Chase. They're not going to T Higgins. And that
doesn't mean that he's not capable of doing it. But
are we sure that he's capable of doing it? Or
is this another Amari Cooper situation where Cooper kept getting
big money contracts, but he was always at his best
when he had some other receiver on the other side
that threatened and he got to pick on your number two.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But this is where playing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
A complimentary football actually comes in, because there are not
too many teams that you could say that they have
a bona fide number one guy. And who's to say
that T higgins numbers didn't suffer because he was on
the team with Jamar Chase. But Jamar Chase had the
devailable relationship with Joe Burrow dating back to.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The time they were in college.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So because of that, anytime Joe Burrow gets in situation,
he's gonna look for someone he knows and knows well.
And that doesn't necessarily mean that T Higgins was and
a reliable wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It so happens that he's on a team with those
two guys.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I'm not call him an unreliable wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I like to use the Marik Cooper comparison because Cooper
was a guy every who was talking up as being
the guy, but really he was at his best when
he was kind of the one B.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Kind of similar situation.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know, when you just have a pair of receivers
and that second receiver goes after the big money payday,
but then he's up against number one corners this whole
You know that next season you see the big drop off.
You know, we've seen that a few times with a
few receivers out there where you know they they're in
a good pair and then they go somewhere else, you know,
to go be the guy. And it's not quite the
same when you're getting number one corners against numbered instead
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of number two.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, that is true, we've seen that in the past,
but we've also seen this certain situations like that the
teams that you're going to they're not utilizing you the
same way the previous team did. And it goes back
to being off asive coordinator and being really creative with
the way that you are utilizing your players. Now hypothetically, speaking,
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money not involved. To add t Higgins to the Broncos roster.
Now you have big playability with the receiver. Now you
know that's one guy that you can draw double teams
because t Higgins a great running you still got that versus.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Speed, right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And then you still have you know, Marvin Mims, and
then you have Troy Franklin, who you hope that in
his second year in the offense he starts to develop
because guess what, Now you have three potential guys who
have game breaking speed that you can utilize. So now
you present issues for the defense. Al well, who are
you gonna stop on this possession? And you hope that
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in the games like that, Sean pagn said, Okay, well,
if this game we're gonna feature this guy, this game
we're gonna feature this guy, you take this guy away,
we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Give someone else to me. That's the kind of idea.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I know, because we're doing with football, we have
to look at the business side of we look at
the money. But for me, it's all about being explosive.
We all wantch the super Bowl on Sunday. We all
want super Bowl. And there was a unique difference between
the receivers for the Chiefs and the receivers for Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now I take the quarterbacks out of the equation, which.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Receiver group would you want to have if you WJ Brown, Devonte.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Smith and Xavier Worthy and those other guys exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So, now you in a division where you have great coaches,
great coaches, like it's four great coaches in AFCs, and
you're talking about Chip.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Kelly being with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They don't have the pieces yet, but if they were
to get the pieces, and thinking about Chip Kelly high
runs his offense, man, it's fun and gun.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So you have to mess those types of teams offensively.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I just based on Sean Payton's history, his entire career,
it just feels incredibly unlikely to me that the Broncos
are suddenly going to go out there and just buy
a wide receiver you've already, I mean, especially when all
these guys that they would buy are roughly on par
with Courtland Sutton. Maybe a little better in some carriases,
like in Higgins case, but most of these guys in
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terms of productivity.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are roughly the Okay, well, once again, we got to
break that productivity down and ask ourselves why was the
productivity what it was? Was it because inadequacies with he
Higgins or the fact that Okay, you got Chase Brown,
you got Mike Zecki and oh, by the way, you
have Jamar Chase right, So there's only one football and
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you gonna he's only one spoon.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He gonna one person at the time.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That be a byproduct of that, it could be.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But then when these you're looking at some of these
other guys on here, we're saying that Chris, I mean,
excuse me, Cooper Coupp doesn't have poking a Coah opposite him.
Chris Godwin doesn't have Mike Evans and Kate Otten in
that same offense. These guys all have other vultures of
the football out there. I just I mean, what is
what do any of these guys bring to the table
that you don't already have? And And the problem is
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is if you bring those guys in, you have to
get rid of Courtland. And some of these guys are
not ex receivers. Cooper cup is not an ex receiver.
Chris god was not at his best play in the Acts.
He's really more of a Z and Debo is is
more of a mismatch guy that doesn't want to run
the football anymore, wants to be a receiver.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But he's not an X either, He's a Z.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So it's it's just interesting to me as I look
at this stuff, and I get everybody wants to be
involved with every big name and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I get that, But as I look at this, I'm like,
these guys are not They don't. You're gonna have to
get rid of Courtles said, to get him? Now, who's
your ex? The guy I was telling you the whole time,
Devon Vele, Well, why didn't you just do that to
begin with?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, but once again, even if you were to make
Devon Vley your ex in this case, once again, like
I said before, I don't see Valle as a number one.
He's maybe a number two, number three at this point,
with the potential to actually get a lot better as
he develops as a wide receiver. But it's it's an
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arms race. It's always been an arms race, and it's like, well,
how can you take what you have m bo Nicks
and expand it make it better?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's your job as a coach, and is your job
as a player.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
To divel and grow. You can't do the.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Same thing last year in twenty twenty five. You can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So just to sit.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Here and say, okay, well not even exploring the idea
of T Higgins because of money, whatever reason you want
to say, Deebo Samuels or even Cooper Cup to me,
I don't think that would be wise because the team
is trying to get better and whatever players are out
there at whatever position, you at least have to look
at it, have that conversation, that dialogue, a real conversation. Okay,
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if this player were to be added to our team,
does that make us better? Does it give added possessions
to the Broncos offense.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And give them an opportunity to be more competitive?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The problem is you exist in a world that has
a salary cap and you've got to figure out how
many points per possession that gives you while eating up
at what percent of dollars that you have to spend
to prevent other teams from getting those same points per possessions.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
In that same arm raceed division you just mentioned, we
need a free.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Safety, we need insideline back, we need depth, a loan
the defensive line. Oh by the way, we're gonna have
to get some running backs in here as well. You know,
you need a backup quarterback. At the end of the day,
you're not gonna be able to buy all that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You still get the specter of the Russ cap hit
hanging over your head. And it's not it's to me,
it's not feasible to go out there at First of all,
it's not to me. It's not smart roster construction to
go out there and spend thirty five million dollars on
a wide receiver per year. Second of all, if you
have a limited cap situation, that presents a bit of
a problem as well. The Broncos have roughly fifty million,
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but by the time you tack on a backup quarterback,
that's going to be ten million. You draft class, that's
another ten million. There's twenty ye there's half your cap
space right there. Then you're looking at a free safety,
an inside back, or an defensive lineman. I don't know
that you're gonna buy all three, but the free safety
you're probably going to the market for. You're probably looking
at eight to twelve there. That's you know, Now, all
of a sudden, you're and now you still got to
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come out here and find ways to extend Zach Allen.
You're gonna have to pay Nick Benito this coming year.
I just don't. To me, it doesn't make much sense when.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To me, you want to go out there and you want.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
To get the right weapons for the guy, and you
absolutely want to put weapons around bow Knicks, but at
what cost? And to me pay at a wide receiver
at thirty five million dollars a year's mind blowing thirty
four debo thirty five for Higgins, those are mind blowing numbers.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean, you don't really have to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And once again, this is where the genius of this
time of the year comes in, as you start to
evaluate your roster.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
What can you afford to do? What can you afford
not to do?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, we saw the Rams go all in right,
making trays, doing things they brought in. You know, Matthew
Stafford came along, you had Von Miller, obj.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Jamn Ramsen was there.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was just like, okay, well we're going to push
all that ships to the table because we know we
have this particular window. And when you look at the
Broncos situation, I look at it like this. Well, right now,
bow Knicks is on a rookie deal. Whether you whether
you try to strike iron now and twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six, you gotta do something because you
have that window. If he continues on this trend of
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perform in the way that he performed and you're one
as a rookie, you're gonna end up having to pay him.
So in that window that you have, you try to
maximize it. Right you say, okay, Well, when we go
out and get guys in the draft, plugin play those
guys in certain key positions and still be able to produce.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Chances are you're.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Not because most rookies don't come in receiver, yes, and
don't don't and don't play. Well, now, you brought up something,
and I was gonna save this for later, but since
you brought it up, when you talk about the safety position,
where you look at Whufrongo from the forty nine ers,
right that look, I love the way that he plays.
If you were to put him with Brandon Jones, then
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to me, now you have something there. But once again,
it's all about the organization being able to sell what
the future looks like. And I know we're trying to
use a crystal ball bind to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, you have to go in with some sort.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Of game plan and you have to have I mean,
you served in the military, but you gotta have the
tendency plan playing.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It ain't no work.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You go to Pamby. Yeah, right, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I mean, I whole hardly agree with you just saying
that you're going to have to go out. I mean,
you got to spend on on the and right now,
if your spend is on the defensive side of the ball,
because your quarterback is cheap, I mean, yeah, you want
to put weapons around your quarterback, but at the same time,
like your spend with his team and the identity they have,
your spend is on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You need to go out and get that free safety
and you go ahead and get.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That inside backer because that's that side of the ball
is vital to what it is that you you do.
As your quarterback continues to grow, and once he grows
into being, you know, a top tier quarterback, then then
at that point, you know, maybe you don't need quite
as many pieces on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Or the big as big a cash spend out lay
over there that.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You can start pivoting some of that money over the
offensive side, specifically to that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But see, I'm not at the frame of mind and
now that my.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Working with a budget.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But I'm just going to use my football mind and
my experience kind of being anf organization. Look, you can
try to go cheap, and we've seen teams try to
be very frugal when it comes along to signing players
and saying, okay, well, hey man, we have this much
money in salary cap, right.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We will in the top of the league as.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Far as you know salary cap distribution. Right, what's the
use of saving all that damn money? And your team sucks. Well,
I'm not saying save money. I'm saying they don't have it.
They get cash, they don't have cap.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
By the time you add up the things that you're
gonna have to do, your rookie class can be somewhere
between eight and twelve million. Your backup quarterbacks can be
about ten million. By the time you add a free sainty,
it's another eight and a half millions. It's a backup quarterback,
whoever it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is, backup quarterback on the markets ten million eight people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I break Zach Wilson. Okay, that's gonna be ten million dollars.
I mean, that's just that's ten million dollars eight to twelve,
give or take.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think you can.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I think the Broncos if they were to bring back
Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think Zach wants a chance to try to earn
a starting job somewhere, and I'm not sure he comes back. Well,
Stidham already cost you ten million in the last contract.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's going to be more than that now.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Realistically, if I'm someone advising Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
There's only thirty two teams.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Look you around the league and say, how many of
those teams that you have the potential to really win
the starting quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He has a better chance of coming back here.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Vettering himself as a quarterback and being a backup.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And I know everyone's misagreeing with you.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'm just telling you, I think he wants to go
somewhere else. Well, and I think also I think he
wants a test the market. Well, I think he also
wants to be employee too. Well, that's what I'm saying.
I think he wants to test the market. He's certainly
not signing here right off the bat. He's gonna see
if there's anything out there, go test the market.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You and I know that there's not a lot out
there for him, not really no.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But I mean, if you're you want a chance to start,
how is that gonna happen New York?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It would have been done that already. I met the giants.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
But yeah, Tennessee, you know, maybe maybe you can go
to Indian and you think you can unseen Anthony Richardson.
There are you know, there's three or four spots Cleveland.
You got to figure that spot out. They've got to.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Figure something out.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know there there there are a few spots you
could go to try to to try to figure stuff out.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Or do you want to figure things out and you
want to develop and be a better player?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well again, you're you're I agree with you, but I'm
just saying that from what I know, I don't think
he's coming back here.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I agree with you, and I'm trying to grow.
I'm trying to live my best life. I'm trying to
I'm trying to grow myself. Are the best I can beat?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I mean, think about the situation.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You're backup quarterback in the offense that you would now
know for the second year in a row.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The team may like you. You're making a significant amount
of money. I mean, and you're holding the clipboard.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean that sounds a lot better than with Ryan,
as you know, presented about just following Taylor Swift around
and just.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Being a boy toy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well, I mean, you know, certain certain ways following Taylor
Shift try and get you arrested, so you don't want to.
You have to careful with that. But you know they
call that stalking Nick. But look, I don't disagree with you. Again,
I think that he could benefit from having multiple years
in the same system and if God forbid, there's an
injury to Bonix, you get a stance to step in
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and show case worse.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I agree with you on that. I don't think he
agrees with us on that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well, once again, it comes down to whether you want
to play or not. But I still think this, at
the end of the day, the Broncos have to kick
the tires on every single thing, even though it may
seem impossible at first, because the idea is that at
the end of the day, you're trying to make this team.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
A playoff caliber team.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I agree, and I think you can do that, But
I think that starts with making sure you got an
inside back er in a free safety and then coming
back and figuring it out on the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well, they say, you know, those guys come a dime
a dozen at least that's what.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
They told me. Well, you know who doesn't come a
diamond dozen. That's Mitchell Carroll. There's gonna be a nest
on the Broncos country.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (20:02):
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Speaker 5 (20:04):
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Speaker 1 (20:09):
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
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Speaker 1 (20:17):
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Speaker 5 (20:23):
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until August, because they're going to be playing in CONK
Captives start and thens opens up, and then they have
another competition, Leagues Cup, coming up in August, and it's
just going to be packed. So you know, the big
question for this team is can they keep up that
goal scoring rate from last year and can they find
even a modicum of improvement on defense to really help
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them get up from that seventh place finish.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Talking with Mitchell Carroll here off the Converse City podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What for those who don't know, what would what would
you classify what the Rapids run? I mean, I think
most people have a cursory knowledge at least of soccer
from probably watching Ted Lasso. But you know what, would
you say that the base formation for the Colorado.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Rapids is sure?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So they play a four two three one. They have
their lung striker, hatfield, and who up top and then
and they really emphasized that wing, both both up top
and in back and defense, and those guys are going
to be running up and down it's the entire game.
And then Georgia Mahailovich plays just behind that striker up
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top in the ten and kind of distributes through him
either off to the wings or up top. I mean
they really played pretty classic energy drink football as as
the Red Bull teams have popularized, Mitchen.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
When you look.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
At this team and you look at the state of Colorado,
I mean, how would you say that the city has
grown as far as the fandom and embracing you know,
MLS soccer, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I mean, you know, they they are one of the
original teams, you know in MLS. They've had some big crowd,
some big successful crowds, especially back in the mile Highways.
And you really saw towards the end of last year.
You know, obviously the fourth such July and they have
the huge fireworks show that's always going to sell out.
But when the team is clicking like they were last year,
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and you know it was a mid table finish, it
wasn't you know, it's carrier first in the West or
you know, competing for the shield or anything. But the team,
when they're scoring goals and they're having fun, the stands
fill in pretty well. The year before they had six
games to finished zero zero at home, so the really
entire confidence to pick up tickets for the next game
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if you're not going to see anything happen. Right, But
last year Chris Armas really turned it around, turned up
the offense, and you've really seen the fans are spot
pretty well in terms of showing up and filling out
the richards.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's like a lot of a lot of sports out there.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Everybody wants to see more scoring, right, Nobody wants to
see I mean, maybe maybe Nick and I are the
last people in football the love of defensive good defensive
slog fest. But you know, It's one of those things
that I think in most sports people want to see
more scoring, and certainly the Rapids have turned it up.
I don't know how much you pay attention to any
of the.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Other leagues out there, how familiar are you are.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
With Ladiga, but just say Ladiga, this is the top
you know league in Spain's got a matchup coming up
that's it's big for me personally, Euona against the FE
and these are to explain this soccer matchup. I think
to average people who who don't follow a lot of soccer,
this would be like the greatest show on turf facing
off against the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
From that Super Bowl year. It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Two wildly disparate styles of play coming together. And these
both these styles of play are not necessarily I mean,
they're not common for for soccer in general, you know.
I mean obviously the Spanish leagues, you know, they they
emphasize possession with the tiki taka and all that kind
of stuff. But I wanted to talk a little bit
about this because I don't know if if you're as
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excited about it, but I am. I've got my Friday
afternoon blocked out to watch this match.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Sure, no, look they you nailed it right, you have
you have two teams that you need to win, right,
they're both sort of out of a European spot right
now on the table in you know, mid February, right,
so you're looking for points anyway you.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Can get it.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
They're both hovering right around that that zero goal differential,
and so this is you know, like you said, can
can you find that one oh one to one kind
of scrappy result or is it going to be the
offense coming through and just putting it on.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well that's the thing, your Ona.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It takes a lot of shots.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
They like to overload sides, and I think you know,
they are both these two philosophies. I think their managers
are kind of the zaniest and some of the brightest
I think is certainly in Spanish soccer. But you know
you've got an overload possession style with your own. Who
likes to rain the shots on goal? You got definitely
who Who's it's almost like a kick and rush long
ball like volume.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But they don't allow many shots on the back end,
which is strange for that style. You know, if if
somebody was to dip their toe in the water, did
not understand soccer and have them watch that. How would
you how would you explain that to someone?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, so, you know, there are teams, especially at home
that really likes to just invite or sorry when on
the road, that likes to invite the other team to
have the ball right, and so you can compact up.
You can have you know, five on that back line,
four on the next line. You wait for that ball
that goes into the middle that no one can control it,
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and all of a sudden you have two guys streaking
out either wig and you send it well right. And
so by inviting the other team to have sixty sixty
five percent possession and kind of moving towards your goal,
you open up that whole back half and open it up.
And I mean it is really I mean to me,
it's it can be exciting in spite of the fact
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that you're probably not going to see a five or
six goal game.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Mister.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I mean, we've seen this sport of soccer kind of
expand across our country, especially after watching the women's sports
over the years started to develop, especially in Olympics, and
there was a lot of talk about, you know, the
women being paid equally to that of the men. But
recently there was some developments that Denver is said to
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have a women's soccer team and twenty twenty six, how
do you think that that changes? How I guess the
perception of soccer not just here in Denver, but just
abroad overall.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Well, I mean, you just saw the women's league in
England just spend over a million dollars to get Naomi
Germa from San Diego, right like that is a massive
benchmark in terms of acquiring a player in the women's game.
To hit that million dollar figure is a big deal.
And to have to be such a young American player
to be such a highlight. You know, that stretches across
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the soccer world, which is much more of a world
than a lot of American sports, And that's that's a
headline that you see everywhere. And then to see a
team like the women's national team in America be so
successful and have so many players that came through Colorado
getting that team here, I mean you've already seen they
set the record for fastist season ticket deposits. They're going
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to have a new stadium. I think the excitement is
going to be through the roof. Tickets are going to
be hard to get. It is going to be very
cool to see the public reaccident Denver to that team
because there's so many Colorado players that they could go
find and future as the star as the focus of
that team, and it makes it a really exciting time
to be a soccer fan in this state.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I'm looking forward to this season. If you had
one or two players that you tell the fans to
keep an eye on out of the rapids, who would
that be?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And is there anybody in the when the transfer windows open,
is there anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They'd be looking at? Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah, So Georgie Bhailovich is the big one. He was
the record signing last winter. He is a Chicago kid,
came up through their system, played in Montreal Rough Patch Overseas,
came back last year and set the club record for
goal contribution so goals plus assist. He is a wizard
off the ball. He featured on the Olympic team scored
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a couple of goals from the penalty spot to a
free kick in the Olympics. He is so fun and
he is an absolute dog. He wears his emotions honestly,
He's super intense and just a wizard with the way
you can put bend on the ball and get get
those passes in. And then Kevin cabral is the winger,
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maybe the fastest player in the league or close to it.
He broke his elbow in LA last summer and missed
just a massive trump of the season, and the offense
really fell off in terms of goal scoring pace and
just just overall function. There was so much less space
when you have a guy that can stretch the defense
like that. So he was on pace to have his
best season. I think he will have his best season
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this year, barring another freak injury like that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That sets him out.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
And then last but not at least to be the homegrown.
Sam Bassett just played at University of Denver. They made
it to the final four of the College Soccer Championships.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
They were the number one team.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
All year and his brother Cole Bassett is the you know,
one of the star players for the team, and so
seeing if he can get into the fold by the
end of the season. It's kind of how cool it
be to see two Denver kids, two brothers, wearing a
Colorado Rapids jersey together. It would just be it would
be something special to see for the Tams.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Mitchell Carroll hosts in the Commerce City Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We appreciate your time, Stephen Brother.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It's awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah to take care.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
A Rod mcferguson Zach c here special thanks to Mitchell
Carroll for joining us in the last segment. Got a
couple of minutes here we got our soccer quot Tam.
I really am actually excited about this. This matchup on
Fridays like Friday after neon like one thirty on ESPN Plus.
And I know, like absolutely nobody listening right now is
like I'm not here for Ben to.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Talk about Spanish League soccer. But it's just it's it's
funny to me, and it's in.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Any sport when you get two wildly different philosophies almost
I mean almost diametrically opposite philosophies that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That face offees.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's like watching a high octane offense take on a
great defense or or I'm trying to think the best
way to put this, it'd be like watching a Larry
Brown coach pass ball team take on a Mike d'An
toni basketball team.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
See for me, I don't like that up and down pace.
I like for to have.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Those moments where it seem as though there are moments
where the play is stalled because you got so much
defensive presence.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I love I love the low scoring games.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
No, this is gonna be a low scoring just by
virtue of you tefan. How they play, this's gonna be
a low scoring soccer man, it's probably gonna be a
one nothing you want to win, like if anything, but
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Just they are.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
The way that they play, the way they advance, the
whole way that they do things is like diametrically opposite
your ona is uh kind of a ticky tako, which
is a very slow possession style. You know, you're take
as many a lot of dribble short passes, you're holding
the ball for leakedy abounts of time small short passes
and meticulously moving the ball you know, up the field,
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and then you've got your tefe who uh is got
It's just like basically touch the ball and go touch.
They have the lowest dribbles per pass rate and if
you watch the if you look at the charts on
these guys where they break down all the analytics, they're
always on the opposite ends of the spectrum on these things,
and it's just I don't those kinds of things are fascinating.
I think about that in relation to other sports, whether
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it's a bang it inside basketball team versus you know,
the Celtics making rain from downtown or whatever. Like just
watching opposite philosophies battle each other versus seeing the same
old thing going up against each other.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know why that fascinates me so much.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, at some point I'm out of the sport, but
we're talking soci here. Something's got to give because if
you have one team who has slow dribbled, that means
they are really at pinpoint precision as far as passing
the ball and being effective. But if you get a
team that gets out really quickly and they can defend
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well and they can take the ball away, now they're
often running. Now they're putting the goalie in a tough
situation where they're constantly defending.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And for me, yes, I like that team.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
If you're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
In that case, being able to get up and down
on the field, that that proves to be very interesting
to me because in soccer there's not that many you know, changeovers, right,
you know, like you may change a guy, make maybe
one or two guys, and he give me a game. Right,
So that means that that team that is out there
really fast, that team has conditioning themselves to play.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
In that capacity.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
So I don't I don't know what the numbers are
on this game, but I'm going I'm gonna go with
the faster paced team.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You're gonna go with the team that that passes the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm gonna go with that that team because for me,
that speaks to anticipation and it speaks to speed and efficiency.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, all right, Well the other team is favored, Youurona's favored,
and Youirona has I would say they have more talent, uh,
and then certainly they spend more.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But that'll be uh. It'll be fascinating to uh to
watch that play out. And I know, like I said,
you guys don't care about all the soccer stuff, but I.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Had to get it in there for a minute. When
we come.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Back, we get it right back to it. We'll get
into a price some draft conversation. I think we've got
the Bronco potential, Broncos stadium move stuff to talk about.
And Jay keeps going to join his bottom of the
art Broncos country night Kawa
Hey tonight, ben Bin Olbright, Nick Ferguson, Zach Segers back
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there behind the glass five six six nine zero is
the text line.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It is cold out there a Nick Firt.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It is the temperature on my gage said six degrees yes, cold.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hold in the Kansas City offense in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Well it's cold. And in Benjamin's Albright's hearts. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's pretty cold.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Yeah, that's right. That's why I put it out there.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's shrunk three sizes today. Yes, I'm like the anti Grinch.
Let's calling the other direction. We got a big show
for you guys tonight. Mitchell Carroll, who's.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Soccer writer for the d NVR, is going to join
us at six point thirty talk a little bit about.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The MLS soccer season starting later this month.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Devon Jackson, NFL draft writer for the Philupia Inquirer and
sports editor, You're going to join us stuff at.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The seven o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
In Jay Keeps Russell, Wilson's former quarterback coach, is the
new head coach at Legend High School here over there
in Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's going to join us seven point thirty. Got a
lot to get to.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to start right off the bat with the
betting odds coming out and having T Higgins, having the
Broncos is the favorites to land T Higgins. I don't
think that's a thing that's going to happen, but the
sports books certainly have it at the top of the list.
What do you think about the sports books putting T
Higgins the Broncos the top of the list to land
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Ti Higgins.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, if you're a Broncos fan, you're happy about the
numbers in Vegas kind of leaning heavily towards T Higgins
landing here. And I know when you look at it
just seem as though, well, that's kind of a long
shot that he would end up for here with the
Denver Broncos. And when you listen to the fans talk
about it, it's like, well, no, you don't need T
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Higgins at a price tag that could be around thirty
million dollars. The team has other needs safety, linebacker, and
obviously you have a lot of fans voting for running back.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But these are things that you have to you know.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The can proverbally down the hill to see if there
is some noise. I mean, you don't know unless you
try and if you try and it doesn't work out,
you pivoting, you go into a different direction. But just saying, okay, well,
looking at the money, there's no way that that would
work out. And looking at the history of Sean Payton
and not really paying wide receivers that type of money.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well yeah, in that scenario, Court said, would definitely be gone.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't understand. I mean, I mean, it's it's what's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Every Broncos fan is clamoring over wide receivers and I'm like,
it's just not like I try to tell you, guys
when they wire, that's not how Sean Payton works. Usually
gets his guy whoever that is, through the draft and
he'll pay him later.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They don't go out and spend on wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They spend on the homegrown guy, and they'll go out
and spend on a tight end, but they don't usually
go out there and spend on on receivers like that.
T Higgins, by the way, from what I understand, wants
something in the neighborhood of four years, forty five million
dollars per year with something like sixty to eighty million
and guaranteed, and I don't believe that that is something
that the Broncos would even entertain for a moment.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
No, I don't, But you know it's going back to coach.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Payden for just a moment and looking at what he's
done in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And usually we are.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Judged by the past as a way of predicting what
is to come in the future. And I will say,
I mean every person, you hope they grow and evolution
is a part of what they do. And who's to
say that Coach Payden cannot decide to change his mind.
Understanding that you think about both Nicks being on somewhat
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of a Ricky contract, that's not to say that you
know both he and George Payden are willing to go
out and give T Higgins this is the amount.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Of money Now player can say, hey, this is what
I want.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But when you sit down and talk to a team,
and that team gives you a future outlook of what
they're trying to accomplish, and it's all about selling that team,
selling the franchise, right.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean T Higgins had chance to.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
See this Broncos offense up close and personal, to see
what they have what they don't have, and Sean Payton
could be savvy enough to maybe tim Tim and a
certain way to say, Okay, well, here's our projected lineup
of what we want to do a free agent without
givaway all the trade secrets. We add you to the mix,
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we go into the draft, we get another run it
back a tight end. I mean, we talked about it
yesterday on a sports suit about the fact of maybe
adding Taysom Keel to this roster. But for me, if
you're gonna do that, obviously you have to make sure
that his route running ability is where you needed to be.
But I would say Taysom Hill right now is better
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than any of the tight ends of the Broncos have.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I believe that out there get Jawan Johnson Hill's
coming off day injury, It's gonna be a while for
his ready.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I wouldn't be surprised they get him as well.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But you know, and I think they'll go to the
draft for another tight end on top of it. I
do believe that they're gonna hammer that position. But you know,
looking at looking at his receivers, are we even sure
that t Higgins is what everybody thinks he is?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Because well, what makes you say that?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Because He's been the one bee behind Jamar Chase his
whole When the Bengals need to play, they go to
Jamar Chase. They're not going to T Higgins. And that
doesn't mean that he's not capable of doing it. But
are we sure that he's capable of doing it? Or
is this another Amari Cooper situation where Cooper kept getting
big money contracts, but he was always at his best
when he had some other receiver on the other side
that threatened and he got to pick on your number two.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But this is where playing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
A complimentary football actually comes in, because there are not
too many teams that you could say that they have
a bona fide number one guy. And who's to say
that T higgins numbers didn't suffer because he was on
the team with Jamar Chase. But Jamar Chase had the
devailable relationship with Joe Burrow dating back to.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The time they were in college.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So because of that, anytime Joe Burrow gets in situation,
he's gonna look for someone he knows and knows well.
And that doesn't necessarily mean that T Higgins was and
a reliable wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It so happens that he's on a team with those
two guys.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I'm not call him an unreliable wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I like to use the Marik Cooper comparison because Cooper
was a guy every who was talking up as being
the guy, but really he was at his best when
he was kind of the one B.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Kind of similar situation.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know, when you just have a pair of receivers
and that second receiver goes after the big money payday,
but then he's up against number one corners this whole
You know that next season you see the big drop off.
You know, we've seen that a few times with a
few receivers out there where you know they they're in
a good pair and then they go somewhere else, you know,
to go be the guy. And it's not quite the
same when you're getting number one corners against numbered instead
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of number two.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, that is true, we've seen that in the past,
but we've also seen this certain situations like that the
teams that you're going to they're not utilizing you the
same way the previous team did. And it goes back
to being off asive coordinator and being really creative with
the way that you are utilizing your players. Now hypothetically, speaking,
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money not involved. To add t Higgins to the Broncos roster.
Now you have big playability with the receiver. Now you
know that's one guy that you can draw double teams
because t Higgins a great running you still got that versus.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Speed, right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And then you still have you know, Marvin Mims, and
then you have Troy Franklin, who you hope that in
his second year in the offense he starts to develop
because guess what, Now you have three potential guys who
have game breaking speed that you can utilize. So now
you present issues for the defense. Al well, who are
you gonna stop on this possession? And you hope that
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in the games like that, Sean pagn said, Okay, well,
if this game we're gonna feature this guy, this game
we're gonna feature this guy, you take this guy away,
we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Give someone else to me. That's the kind of idea.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I know, because we're doing with football, we have
to look at the business side of we look at
the money. But for me, it's all about being explosive.
We all wantch the super Bowl on Sunday. We all
want super Bowl. And there was a unique difference between
the receivers for the Chiefs and the receivers for Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now I take the quarterbacks out of the equation, which.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Receiver group would you want to have if you WJ Brown, Devonte.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Smith and Xavier Worthy and those other guys exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So, now you in a division where you have great coaches,
great coaches, like it's four great coaches in AFCs, and
you're talking about Chip.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Kelly being with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They don't have the pieces yet, but if they were
to get the pieces, and thinking about Chip Kelly high
runs his offense, man, it's fun and gun.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So you have to mess those types of teams offensively.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I just based on Sean Payton's history, his entire career,
it just feels incredibly unlikely to me that the Broncos
are suddenly going to go out there and just buy
a wide receiver you've already, I mean, especially when all
these guys that they would buy are roughly on par
with Courtland Sutton. Maybe a little better in some carriases,
like in Higgins case, but most of these guys in
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terms of productivity.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are roughly the Okay, well, once again, we got to
break that productivity down and ask ourselves why was the
productivity what it was? Was it because inadequacies with he
Higgins or the fact that Okay, you got Chase Brown,
you got Mike Zecki and oh, by the way, you
have Jamar Chase right, So there's only one football and
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you gonna he's only one spoon.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He gonna one person at the time.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That be a byproduct of that, it could be.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But then when these you're looking at some of these
other guys on here, we're saying that Chris, I mean,
excuse me, Cooper Coupp doesn't have poking a Coah opposite him.
Chris Godwin doesn't have Mike Evans and Kate Otten in
that same offense. These guys all have other vultures of
the football out there. I just I mean, what is
what do any of these guys bring to the table
that you don't already have? And And the problem is
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is if you bring those guys in, you have to
get rid of Courtland. And some of these guys are
not ex receivers. Cooper cup is not an ex receiver.
Chris god was not at his best play in the Acts.
He's really more of a Z and Debo is is
more of a mismatch guy that doesn't want to run
the football anymore, wants to be a receiver.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But he's not an X either, He's a Z.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So it's it's just interesting to me as I look
at this stuff, and I get everybody wants to be
involved with every big name and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I get that, But as I look at this, I'm like,
these guys are not They don't. You're gonna have to
get rid of Courtles said, to get him? Now, who's
your ex? The guy I was telling you the whole time,
Devon Vele, Well, why didn't you just do that to
begin with?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, but once again, even if you were to make
Devon Vley your ex in this case, once again, like
I said before, I don't see Valle as a number one.
He's maybe a number two, number three at this point,
with the potential to actually get a lot better as
he develops as a wide receiver. But it's it's an
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arms race. It's always been an arms race, and it's like, well,
how can you take what you have m bo Nicks
and expand it make it better?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's your job as a coach, and is your job
as a player.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
To divel and grow. You can't do the.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Same thing last year in twenty twenty five. You can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So just to sit.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Here and say, okay, well not even exploring the idea
of T Higgins because of money, whatever reason you want
to say, Deebo Samuels or even Cooper Cup to me,
I don't think that would be wise because the team
is trying to get better and whatever players are out
there at whatever position, you at least have to look
at it, have that conversation, that dialogue, a real conversation. Okay,
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if this player were to be added to our team,
does that make us better? Does it give added possessions
to the Broncos offense.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And give them an opportunity to be more competitive?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The problem is you exist in a world that has
a salary cap and you've got to figure out how
many points per possession that gives you while eating up
at what percent of dollars that you have to spend
to prevent other teams from getting those same points per possessions.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
In that same arm raceed division you just mentioned, we
need a free.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Safety, we need insideline back, we need depth, a loan
the defensive line. Oh by the way, we're gonna have
to get some running backs in here as well. You know,
you need a backup quarterback. At the end of the day,
you're not gonna be able to buy all that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You still get the specter of the Russ cap hit
hanging over your head. And it's not it's to me,
it's not feasible to go out there at First of all,
it's not to me. It's not smart roster construction to
go out there and spend thirty five million dollars on
a wide receiver per year. Second of all, if you
have a limited cap situation, that presents a bit of
a problem as well. The Broncos have roughly fifty million,
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but by the time you tack on a backup quarterback,
that's going to be ten million. You draft class, that's
another ten million. There's twenty ye there's half your cap
space right there. Then you're looking at a free safety,
an inside back, or an defensive lineman. I don't know
that you're gonna buy all three, but the free safety
you're probably going to the market for. You're probably looking
at eight to twelve there. That's you know, Now, all
of a sudden, you're and now you still got to
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come out here and find ways to extend Zach Allen.
You're gonna have to pay Nick Benito this coming year.
I just don't. To me, it doesn't make much sense when.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To me, you want to go out there and you want.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
To get the right weapons for the guy, and you
absolutely want to put weapons around bow Knicks, but at
what cost? And to me pay at a wide receiver
at thirty five million dollars a year's mind blowing thirty
four debo thirty five for Higgins, those are mind blowing numbers.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean, you don't really have to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And once again, this is where the genius of this
time of the year comes in, as you start to
evaluate your roster.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
What can you afford to do? What can you afford
not to do?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, we saw the Rams go all in right,
making trays, doing things they brought in. You know, Matthew
Stafford came along, you had Von Miller, obj.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Jamn Ramsen was there.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was just like, okay, well we're going to push
all that ships to the table because we know we
have this particular window. And when you look at the
Broncos situation, I look at it like this. Well, right now,
bow Knicks is on a rookie deal. Whether you whether
you try to strike iron now and twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six, you gotta do something because you
have that window. If he continues on this trend of
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perform in the way that he performed and you're one
as a rookie, you're gonna end up having to pay him.
So in that window that you have, you try to
maximize it. Right you say, okay, Well, when we go
out and get guys in the draft, plugin play those
guys in certain key positions and still be able to produce.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Chances are you're.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Not because most rookies don't come in receiver, yes, and
don't don't and don't play. Well, now, you brought up something,
and I was gonna save this for later, but since
you brought it up, when you talk about the safety position,
where you look at Whufrongo from the forty nine ers,
right that look, I love the way that he plays.
If you were to put him with Brandon Jones, then
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to me, now you have something there. But once again,
it's all about the organization being able to sell what
the future looks like. And I know we're trying to
use a crystal ball bind to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, you have to go in with some sort.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Of game plan and you have to have I mean,
you served in the military, but you gotta have the
tendency plan playing.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It ain't no work.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You go to Pamby. Yeah, right, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I mean, I whole hardly agree with you just saying
that you're going to have to go out. I mean,
you got to spend on on the and right now,
if your spend is on the defensive side of the ball,
because your quarterback is cheap, I mean, yeah, you want
to put weapons around your quarterback, but at the same time,
like your spend with his team and the identity they have,
your spend is on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You need to go out and get that free safety
and you go ahead and get.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That inside backer because that's that side of the ball
is vital to what it is that you you do.
As your quarterback continues to grow, and once he grows
into being, you know, a top tier quarterback, then then
at that point, you know, maybe you don't need quite
as many pieces on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Or the big as big a cash spend out lay
over there that.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You can start pivoting some of that money over the
offensive side, specifically to that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But see, I'm not at the frame of mind and
now that my.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Working with a budget.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But I'm just going to use my football mind and
my experience kind of being anf organization. Look, you can
try to go cheap, and we've seen teams try to
be very frugal when it comes along to signing players
and saying, okay, well, hey man, we have this much
money in salary cap, right.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We will in the top of the league as.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Far as you know salary cap distribution. Right, what's the
use of saving all that damn money? And your team sucks. Well,
I'm not saying save money. I'm saying they don't have it.
They get cash, they don't have cap.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
By the time you add up the things that you're
gonna have to do, your rookie class can be somewhere
between eight and twelve million. Your backup quarterbacks can be
about ten million. By the time you add a free sainty,
it's another eight and a half millions. It's a backup quarterback,
whoever it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is, backup quarterback on the markets ten million eight people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I break Zach Wilson. Okay, that's gonna be ten million dollars.
I mean, that's just that's ten million dollars eight to twelve,
give or take.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think you can.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I think the Broncos if they were to bring back
Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think Zach wants a chance to try to earn
a starting job somewhere, and I'm not sure he comes back. Well,
Stidham already cost you ten million in the last contract.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's going to be more than that now.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Realistically, if I'm someone advising Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
There's only thirty two teams.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Look you around the league and say, how many of
those teams that you have the potential to really win
the starting quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He has a better chance of coming back here.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Vettering himself as a quarterback and being a backup.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And I know everyone's misagreeing with you.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'm just telling you, I think he wants to go
somewhere else. Well, and I think also I think he
wants a test the market. Well, I think he also
wants to be employee too. Well, that's what I'm saying.
I think he wants to test the market. He's certainly
not signing here right off the bat. He's gonna see
if there's anything out there, go test the market.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You and I know that there's not a lot out
there for him, not really no.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But I mean, if you're you want a chance to start,
how is that gonna happen New York?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It would have been done that already. I met the giants.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
But yeah, Tennessee, you know, maybe maybe you can go
to Indian and you think you can unseen Anthony Richardson.
There are you know, there's three or four spots Cleveland.
You got to figure that spot out. They've got to.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Figure something out.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know there there there are a few spots you
could go to try to to try to figure stuff out.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Or do you want to figure things out and you
want to develop and be a better player?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well again, you're you're I agree with you, but I'm
just saying that from what I know, I don't think
he's coming back here.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I agree with you, and I'm trying to grow.
I'm trying to live my best life. I'm trying to
I'm trying to grow myself. Are the best I can beat?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I mean, think about the situation.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You're backup quarterback in the offense that you would now
know for the second year in a row.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The team may like you. You're making a significant amount
of money. I mean, and you're holding the clipboard.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean that sounds a lot better than with Ryan,
as you know, presented about just following Taylor Swift around
and just.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Being a boy toy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well, I mean, you know, certain certain ways following Taylor
Shift try and get you arrested, so you don't want to.
You have to careful with that. But you know they
call that stalking Nick. But look, I don't disagree with you. Again,
I think that he could benefit from having multiple years
in the same system and if God forbid, there's an
injury to Bonix, you get a stance to step in
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and show case worse.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I agree with you on that. I don't think he
agrees with us on that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well, once again, it comes down to whether you want
to play or not. But I still think this, at
the end of the day, the Broncos have to kick
the tires on every single thing, even though it may
seem impossible at first, because the idea is that at
the end of the day, you're trying to make this team.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
A playoff caliber team.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I agree, and I think you can do that, But
I think that starts with making sure you got an
inside back er in a free safety and then coming
back and figuring it out on the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well, they say, you know, those guys come a dime
a dozen at least that's what.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
They told me. Well, you know who doesn't come a
diamond dozen. That's Mitchell Carroll. There's gonna be a nest
on the Broncos country.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Nick Ferguson's actually you're here with him? Five six sixty
nine Zeros text line canna run right out to the
k Wait commas Breth. I had to bring on Mitchell Carroll,
hosts the Commerce City Radio podcast little Bit of Colorado
Rapids Action.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Mitchell, how you doing the seaning?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I mean great, Thank you guys for having me. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, no worries at all when good Tans talk about
the Rappids.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
With the MLS season starting here later on this month,
I do believe what the Rapids open with LA I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
If I'm if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
As we look forward to this season for the Rapids,
what can we expect out of this Rapids team?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
So last year. Obviously, it was a big change. They
bring in the new head coach and Chris Armis and
kind of the ship right, the ship vibes wise, at
least after a pretty rough twenty twenty three and you know,
the season didn't end particularly well on a losing streak
and a pretty bad playoff loss, but you know, they
more than doubled their goals scored total from the year before.
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They finished third place a League's Cup, and that gave
them the chance to get into continental play, which they'll
start next week against LAFC. They'll be playing in the
CONCA Cast Champions Cup. Haven't been in that competition since
twenty twenty two. So you know, there's there's a lot
of games coming up from now through i mean really
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until August, because they're going to be playing in CONK
Captives start and thens opens up, and then they have
another competition, Leagues Cup, coming up in August, and it's
just going to be packed. So you know, the big
question for this team is can they keep up that
goal scoring rate from last year and can they find
even a modicum of improvement on defense to really help
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them get up from that seventh place finish.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Talking with Mitchell Carroll here off the Converse City podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What for those who don't know, what would what would
you classify what the Rapids run? I mean, I think
most people have a cursory knowledge at least of soccer
from probably watching Ted Lasso. But you know what, would
you say that the base formation for the Colorado.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Rapids is sure?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
So they play a four two three one. They have
their lung striker, hatfield, and who up top and then
and they really emphasized that wing, both both up top
and in back and defense, and those guys are going
to be running up and down it's the entire game.
And then Georgia Mahailovich plays just behind that striker up
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top in the ten and kind of distributes through him
either off to the wings or up top. I mean
they really played pretty classic energy drink football as as
the Red Bull teams have popularized, Mitchen.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
When you look.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
At this team and you look at the state of Colorado,
I mean, how would you say that the city has
grown as far as the fandom and embracing you know,
MLS soccer, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I mean, you know, they they are one of the
original teams, you know in MLS. They've had some big crowd,
some big successful crowds, especially back in the mile Highways.
And you really saw towards the end of last year.
You know, obviously the fourth such July and they have
the huge fireworks show that's always going to sell out.
But when the team is clicking like they were last year,
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and you know it was a mid table finish, it
wasn't you know, it's carrier first in the West or
you know, competing for the shield or anything. But the team,
when they're scoring goals and they're having fun, the stands
fill in pretty well. The year before they had six
games to finished zero zero at home, so the really
entire confidence to pick up tickets for the next game
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if you're not going to see anything happen. Right, But
last year Chris Armas really turned it around, turned up
the offense, and you've really seen the fans are spot
pretty well in terms of showing up and filling out
the richards.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's like a lot of a lot of sports out there.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Everybody wants to see more scoring, right, Nobody wants to
see I mean, maybe maybe Nick and I are the
last people in football the love of defensive good defensive
slog fest. But you know, It's one of those things
that I think in most sports people want to see
more scoring, and certainly the Rapids have turned it up.
I don't know how much you pay attention to any
of the.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Other leagues out there, how familiar are you are.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
With Ladiga, but just say Ladiga, this is the top
you know league in Spain's got a matchup coming up
that's it's big for me personally, Euona against the FE
and these are to explain this soccer matchup. I think
to average people who who don't follow a lot of soccer,
this would be like the greatest show on turf facing
off against the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
From that Super Bowl year. It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Two wildly disparate styles of play coming together. And these
both these styles of play are not necessarily I mean,
they're not common for for soccer in general, you know.
I mean obviously the Spanish leagues, you know, they they
emphasize possession with the tiki taka and all that kind
of stuff. But I wanted to talk a little bit
about this because I don't know if if you're as
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excited about it, but I am. I've got my Friday
afternoon blocked out to watch this match.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Sure, no, look they you nailed it right, you have
you have two teams that you need to win, right,
they're both sort of out of a European spot right
now on the table in you know, mid February, right,
so you're looking for points anyway you.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Can get it.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
They're both hovering right around that that zero goal differential,
and so this is you know, like you said, can
can you find that one oh one to one kind
of scrappy result or is it going to be the
offense coming through and just putting it on.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well that's the thing, your Ona.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It takes a lot of shots.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
They like to overload sides, and I think you know,
they are both these two philosophies. I think their managers
are kind of the zaniest and some of the brightest
I think is certainly in Spanish soccer. But you know
you've got an overload possession style with your own. Who
likes to rain the shots on goal? You got definitely
who Who's it's almost like a kick and rush long
ball like volume.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But they don't allow many shots on the back end,
which is strange for that style. You know, if if
somebody was to dip their toe in the water, did
not understand soccer and have them watch that. How would
you how would you explain that to someone?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, so, you know, there are teams, especially at home
that really likes to just invite or sorry when on
the road, that likes to invite the other team to
have the ball right, and so you can compact up.
You can have you know, five on that back line,
four on the next line. You wait for that ball
that goes into the middle that no one can control it,
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and all of a sudden you have two guys streaking
out either wig and you send it well right. And
so by inviting the other team to have sixty sixty
five percent possession and kind of moving towards your goal,
you open up that whole back half and open it up.
And I mean it is really I mean to me,
it's it can be exciting in spite of the fact
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that you're probably not going to see a five or
six goal game.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Mister.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I mean, we've seen this sport of soccer kind of
expand across our country, especially after watching the women's sports
over the years started to develop, especially in Olympics, and
there was a lot of talk about, you know, the
women being paid equally to that of the men. But
recently there was some developments that Denver is said to
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have a women's soccer team and twenty twenty six, how
do you think that that changes? How I guess the
perception of soccer not just here in Denver, but just
abroad overall.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Well, I mean, you just saw the women's league in
England just spend over a million dollars to get Naomi
Germa from San Diego, right like that is a massive
benchmark in terms of acquiring a player in the women's game.
To hit that million dollar figure is a big deal.
And to have to be such a young American player
to be such a highlight. You know, that stretches across
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the soccer world, which is much more of a world
than a lot of American sports, And that's that's a
headline that you see everywhere. And then to see a
team like the women's national team in America be so
successful and have so many players that came through Colorado
getting that team here, I mean you've already seen they
set the record for fastist season ticket deposits. They're going
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to have a new stadium. I think the excitement is
going to be through the roof. Tickets are going to
be hard to get. It is going to be very
cool to see the public reaccident Denver to that team
because there's so many Colorado players that they could go
find and future as the star as the focus of
that team, and it makes it a really exciting time
to be a soccer fan in this state.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I'm looking forward to this season. If you had
one or two players that you tell the fans to
keep an eye on out of the rapids, who would
that be?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And is there anybody in the when the transfer windows open,
is there anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They'd be looking at? Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah, So Georgie Bhailovich is the big one. He was
the record signing last winter. He is a Chicago kid,
came up through their system, played in Montreal Rough Patch Overseas,
came back last year and set the club record for
goal contribution so goals plus assist. He is a wizard
off the ball. He featured on the Olympic team scored
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a couple of goals from the penalty spot to a
free kick in the Olympics. He is so fun and
he is an absolute dog. He wears his emotions honestly,
He's super intense and just a wizard with the way
you can put bend on the ball and get get
those passes in. And then Kevin cabral is the winger,
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maybe the fastest player in the league or close to it.
He broke his elbow in LA last summer and missed
just a massive trump of the season, and the offense
really fell off in terms of goal scoring pace and
just just overall function. There was so much less space
when you have a guy that can stretch the defense
like that. So he was on pace to have his
best season. I think he will have his best season
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this year, barring another freak injury like that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That sets him out.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
And then last but not at least to be the homegrown.
Sam Bassett just played at University of Denver. They made
it to the final four of the College Soccer Championships.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
They were the number one team.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
All year and his brother Cole Bassett is the you know,
one of the star players for the team, and so
seeing if he can get into the fold by the
end of the season. It's kind of how cool it
be to see two Denver kids, two brothers, wearing a
Colorado Rapids jersey together. It would just be it would
be something special to see for the Tams.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Mitchell Carroll hosts in the Commerce City Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We appreciate your time, Stephen Brother.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
It's awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah to take care.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
A Rod mcferguson Zach c here special thanks to Mitchell
Carroll for joining us in the last segment. Got a
couple of minutes here we got our soccer quot Tam.
I really am actually excited about this. This matchup on
Fridays like Friday after neon like one thirty on ESPN Plus.
And I know, like absolutely nobody listening right now is
like I'm not here for Ben to.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Talk about Spanish League soccer. But it's just it's it's
funny to me, and it's in.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Any sport when you get two wildly different philosophies almost
I mean almost diametrically opposite philosophies that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That face offees.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's like watching a high octane offense take on a
great defense or or I'm trying to think the best
way to put this, it'd be like watching a Larry
Brown coach pass ball team take on a Mike d'An
toni basketball team.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
See for me, I don't like that up and down pace.
I like for to have.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Those moments where it seem as though there are moments
where the play is stalled because you got so much
defensive presence.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I love I love the low scoring games.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
No, this is gonna be a low scoring just by
virtue of you tefan. How they play, this's gonna be
a low scoring soccer man, it's probably gonna be a
one nothing you want to win, like if anything, but
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Just they are.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
The way that they play, the way they advance, the
whole way that they do things is like diametrically opposite
your ona is uh kind of a ticky tako, which
is a very slow possession style. You know, you're take
as many a lot of dribble short passes, you're holding
the ball for leakedy abounts of time small short passes
and meticulously moving the ball you know, up the field,
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and then you've got your tefe who uh is got
It's just like basically touch the ball and go touch.
They have the lowest dribbles per pass rate and if
you watch the if you look at the charts on
these guys where they break down all the analytics, they're
always on the opposite ends of the spectrum on these things,
and it's just I don't those kinds of things are fascinating.
I think about that in relation to other sports, whether
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it's a bang it inside basketball team versus you know,
the Celtics making rain from downtown or whatever. Like just
watching opposite philosophies battle each other versus seeing the same
old thing going up against each other.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know why that fascinates me so much.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, at some point I'm out of the sport, but
we're talking soci here. Something's got to give because if
you have one team who has slow dribbled, that means
they are really at pinpoint precision as far as passing
the ball and being effective. But if you get a
team that gets out really quickly and they can defend
(32:48):
well and they can take the ball away, now they're
often running. Now they're putting the goalie in a tough
situation where they're constantly defending.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And for me, yes, I like that team.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
If you're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
In that case, being able to get up and down
on the field, that that proves to be very interesting
to me because in soccer there's not that many you know, changeovers, right,
you know, like you may change a guy, make maybe
one or two guys, and he give me a game. Right,
So that means that that team that is out there
really fast, that team has conditioning themselves to play.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
In that capacity.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
So I don't I don't know what the numbers are
on this game, but I'm going I'm gonna go with
the faster paced team.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You're gonna go with the team that that passes the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm gonna go with that that team because for me,
that speaks to anticipation and it speaks to speed and efficiency.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, all right, Well the other team is favored, Youurona's favored,
and Youirona has I would say they have more talent, uh,
and then certainly they spend more.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But that'll be uh. It'll be fascinating to uh to
watch that play out. And I know, like I said,
you guys don't care about all the soccer stuff, but I.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Had to get it in there for a minute. When
we come.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Back, we get it right back to it. We'll get
into a price some draft conversation. I think we've got
the Bronco potential, Broncos stadium move stuff to talk about.
And Jay keeps going to join his bottom of the
art Broncos country night Kawa
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