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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to it Brockos Country today, Benvan all right
here with you, Grasmith back there behind the glass five
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
And bring on our guy Cody. Roar Cody. You haven't
run into the lethal granola lately? Have you?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No? What is that? I I'm very very curious for us.
I've had regular granola. I don't know about lethal.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, rick Lewis lost the tooth eating some granola.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So yeah, we're we're putting the we're putting the word out.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You know those those those nature valley bars that that
that wasn't actually what did it? But uh, you know
the exactly the ones I'm talking about, the ones where
every time you bite into it, you're like, Okay, did
I get it out there or did I chip my tooth?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah? No, I might have to avoid it. I think
you just gotta stick with regular regular oats. You know,
you got like the Quaker oats. You know you grind
up in the blunder with your protein shake. That's steel cutty.
I'm feeling for Rick there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you gotta go with the steel cutouts. I might
have to just switch to.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oatmeal all together here, just just you know, worried about
my teeth, Cody. Rememberrocos having a heck of an offseason
here free agent moves.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Shoring up the defense with Fanga green Law.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You had Sherfield to shore up the special teams roles
and and kind of take over the little Jordan blocking roll.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You get it off the line?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Why and Evan Ingram really you know, the only and
then you bring back you know, Burton you had, you
had a punter. You probably gonna add another one later
for competition. The only things they really haven't done are
addressed the running back position, which could still happen before
the draft and definitely will happen in the draft. And
then it's kind of funny because I mentioned Ingram, they
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really didn't do anything for the joker position. He's more
of a of a heavy slot.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, you know, I I do feel like Sean will
probably look to move him around a little bit. I mean,
you know, I was watching his Jacksonville tape and obviously
the year he had what was I think of one
hundred and fourteen catching you think one hundred and forty
something target that you're with Trevor Lawrence. He really was
their their main go to guy there. I mean, he
just has the capabilities of being able to move around
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a little bit. Now, obviously didn't play as much in
line at the wide position, but you know there were
several times that he specifically against the Chicago Bears, he
lined up in line and they isolated him one on
one against that the inside linebacker, and you know he'd
run a shake route or you know, he just run.
He's got the ability to find the sauce pots and
zonne and even ran a couple of crossers you know,
with the inside linebacker and coverage where he makes it.
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But you know, the thing I like about Ingram is
that you know, he's he's a guy that has I
think a good catch radius. He's not afraid to go up,
you know, with contact. You know, he's not afraid of
getting hit by anybody by any means. And you know,
he's a guy I think that has pretty good focus.
The thing is, too, he's also I think a very
solid rout runner. He's a big body guy. He can
move around different spots. Honestly, Ben, I would not even
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be shocked if we do see him line up a
little bit even in the backs of from time to time,
you know, maybe even a dump out to the flat
kind of what we saw them. He was Mark and
MEM's obviously last season. But part of me does wonder
with Ingram's edition here and obviously with the opportunity to
maybe find a joker running back in the draft. There
are a couple of candidates out there, how does that
impact Marvin's role as something I'm very curious about.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think they view him
as kind of that z you know, on the backside,
hitting the you know, the Bang eight, the Bang nine,
you know, and and kind of being that guy.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But we'll see they've got some options at.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Least as as far.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
As that stuff goes this year. Uh, Ingram. The one
other thing I want to ask you about Ingram before
we move on.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know, it's it's kind of a fascinating court because
you talked about the year they kind of spanned him
with the target senter of Jacksonbility of course got those
numbers up, but uh, he really has not been He's
been a between the twenties guy and for whatever reason,
has really not been a red zone guy outside of
his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, part of me wonders, is it play calling? You know,
his environment situation. I know that that one year in
twenty twenty three specifically, you know for him, you know,
he had a couple of big catches. I think he
had two touchdown catches in the red zone against the
Cleveland Browns if I'm not mistaken. But you know, this
is a guy who can catch it at you know,
five to ten yards out there on the flat, and
he can take it forty yards, you know, sixty yards
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if he'd be there. You know, he fights for the
extra yardage. And you know it's one thing I watched
when they played the Kansas City Chiefs a couple of
years ago. Just where he's at. He understands. I think
the leverage in which he's going to take to get,
you know, on a route to maybe get an advantage
against you know, a defensive back, and if he's trying
to get up the sidelines, he's trying to make a
cut back in. He's just a smart football player. He's
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physical there. So for me, you know, I think a
lot of it may just be situations. I don't know
off the top of my head what the Giants goal
line numbers were, but I imagine their offense obviously has been
not great for the last halver may handful of years,
and then obviously Jacksonville kind of sputtered off this past season.
So I'd be very curious to go back and see
what those red zone rankings were for those teams. Obviously,
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and you Evan Ingram now.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Maybe amplify it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I think now here in Denver they obviously upgraded and
they got better in the red zone this past season.
But I think he probably helps him get even better
there now with his size and obviously his ability. I mean,
he's got some nice shake to him there. So you know,
I think open things up where defenses can't just primarily
say hey, we're gonna we're gonna bracket cover Courton here
and see. You know, if anyone else can beat us,
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you have a guy I think that can with his
size there with Evan.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Ingram, Talmy Coley Rourke, Mile High Sports and depending on
how you classify Evan Ingram and I've kind of classified
more as a receiver than a tight end. But you know,
it's you know, six and one half dozen the other
really but the Brooks really haven't added anything to the
wide receiver room this offseason. I know some fans have
been calling for that, but we tried to caution that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You know, Sean Payton was was.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Pretty clear with the media that that was not something
that they felt very confident about their young receiving core
guys like Vla and Mims and to a lesser extent,
Troy Franklin. And should we expect to see more production.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Out of those guys as they've they've kind of passed on.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The receiver thing and maybe look at a Day three
receiver for depth.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I think that's the expectation, right, you know, if you're
confident your guys, they obviously have to match that, you know.
I think we saw Troy Franklin take that step late
in the season. We saw him obviously you know, finally
connect on that deep ball with bow knicks there. I
would like to see the Broncos and Sean run Troy
Franklin on more crossing routes, shot pattern routs versus just
him going be in the go ball, you know every time.
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I think that will open some things up here. But
you have that dynamic there. The thing about Franklin is
he's got Marvin Mintz type speed at a bigger size.
So that's great that you can maybe use him and
Marvin in that Z role here. I think Vyle is
probably gonna be the more house candidate to probably replace
Lott Jordan Humphreys role as that kind of move around guy.
I think we're gonna see Valley downfield a little bit
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more than we did this past season. I think that's
gonna be something that's going to be a little bit
of a roll carved out for him going forward. But
you know, then, you know they had they have to
avoid some of these things. We saw it against the
Buffalo Bills. You know, when Corlon sat was getting you know,
double team and bracket covered. You know, especially on third
down by Buffalo's defense, you needed other guys to step up.
Vailey had a few drops. Troy Franklin had to drop,
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and I know Cotland had to drop in that game.
But that's where you need those guys to step up.
So for me, I'm not opposed, and I would actually
prefer if they went out there and got a veteran
guy just as an insurance policy. I'm not saying you're
bringing in a veteran guy like a Keenan Allen or
Amari Cooper to be your number two receiver, right you know,
I think there's a lot of conversation about you know
this guy, Why would you bring this guy in if
it takes away reps from the other guys. I think
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you just needed someone reliable. I think you just need
another reliable guy there, someone that has proven as just
an insurance policy. And look, Ben, I think your run
injury away at that position from you know, wondering, Hey,
who's up next? What do we have next? And I
know that they want to see what at Perry can
bring to the table. We'll see a lot of that
in July and obviously in the preseason in August. But
that's the position. I mean, I would expect him to
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maybe add in the draft, or if they don't, you
know if they don't add a veteran receiver at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I do think that they'll look at the draft
on Day three, guy like Jalen Royle's maybe somebody that
could be in between the numbers, you know, work the
field kind of guy. You go back and you look
at guys that Sean and had back in New Orleans.
I think the most recent example that probably tray Quan Smith,
who briefly spent time here in Denver as well. But
you know, he does have certain archetypes he likes out
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of these receivers and yeah, well right, and certain measurables
on some of the things too. Yeah, I think, and
I think that's the direction they probably go. We talked
a little bit about the receivers want to get the
running backs here.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They have not of yet added a veteran running back.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I do believe the potential for that exists a little
closer to the draft, maybe a JK.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Dobbins or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I believe that drafting a running back is also
going to be a priority for this team, whether it's
you know, the highly speculated about Maria and Hampton, whether
you're waiting a little bit for DJ Giddens, whatever. Quin
Shawn Jenkins, what do you think about the running back position.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, no, I mean I'm all for it being you know,
either the round one pick or the round two pick.
I don't think they could go wrong either way. I
think right now your top one hundred picks in this
year's draft, I feel like you have to invest on
the offensive side of the wall. Give some cost control
obviously in terms of contract while bow Nick is on
a deal, add some playmakers that maybe bring some juice
and some spark to the offense. You know, running back
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is obviously, I think one of those positions. I think
the overall value of it going forward is going to
change a little bit. I think for the last three
or four years, we saw that window of depreciation where
it's like, hey, we don't want to pay guys anymore.
You see the wear and tear. But now, you know,
at the college level, I mean, this is this year's
draft class. There's a ton of really good backs, probably
more so than we've seen in recent memory. But you know,
there aren't the say Kwan's out there that you know
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you're going to necessarily run into. In terms of the
veterans side, right, I mean, the Broncos. They could have
went out there, and they could still obviously get a
veteran like you mentioned j A Obbys at this point
out they even kick the tires on a Nick Chubb
or something. But I think that you want to go younger,
You want to go where there's not as much wear
and tear, and you want to go with flash youth
and explosive this. And look, I think the youth movement
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is something that Sean Payton, I feel like sometimes is
hesitant about, but I also think he's excited about. You know,
when you got young guys like you look at the
roster right now, the backs on the roster. You got
Tyler today, you've got Blake Watson, who I know he
really liked, you know, signing as an undrafted rookie free agent.
You got Odre Estimy, who had some flashes and some
sparks last year. And obviously you know Jelil McLaughlin, who
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you know is a workhorse and could do a lot
of different things for you. But you know this year's
draft that you might have a back that's capable of
having twenty carries in a game, not only that but
also being an impact primary guy out of the fact
that there's a pass catching back for you, you know,
I think that's what Sean's looking for as a guy
who could run the ball officially in between the tackles,
get to the outside, but also be a primary focus
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in the passing game as well for boat Knicks and
I think, you know, Mari and Hanton's one of those guys.
I'm a big tray beyond Henderson guy. I just don't
think that Denver could go wrong with any of the
backs that to maybe look at in this year's draft.
I think that should be priority and I will not
be shocked if it's number twenty overall.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tyi Coley Rohmarck from Mile High Sports.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The Broncos Chris Thompson reported that the Broncos are not
going to engage in negotiations for extensions until after the draft.
That puts them at their maxim leverage point. It's been
kind of interesting, is the wide receivers market has accelerated.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
When you look at the deals and Stefan.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Diggs and t Higgins have gotten, it pushes the number
for a Courtland Sutton North. I mean at number at
this point is around twenty eight twenty nine million, dollars
per year. Do you think that the Broncos A you
should keep Courtland Sutton and do you think he's worth
it at that number?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean I think they should keep him. I
mean the number I don't I don't know about because
as we all see, that number is going to change us.
He Jamar Chase, congratulations to him for obviously, you know,
doing that. He did t Higgins being the you know,
one of those guys. But then obviously you had the
Ceede Lambs of Justin Jefferson contracts, you know at Cortland
eighteen touchdowns in the last two seasons, and to be
honest with you, he's kind of only been the real
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big sparket wide receiver for them the last couple of seasons.
He's come up big with some clutch time catches and touchdowns.
You know, he's been a big part of their success
and obviously their growth obviously in the last year. But
twenty nine million per year, that's that's obviously going to
be a tough price point, especially when you got to
take care of guys like Zach Allen, Nick Bonito, which
are what the market's going to look like for them,
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considering you know, Zach Allen's, you know, a d end
handed the dirt guy when they look at pass rusher,
I mean Nick, But it was a lot different than
what you see from guys like Miles Garrett on the
outside or a Max Crosby, because those guys are you know,
they're lengthy, and then their defensive scheme has them hands
in the dirt on the outside, whereas makes a stand
up guy. I think Nick obviously offers more and pass
coverage than those guys do. But how do you come
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to terms with.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
A number there?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, is the market's going to change and evolve
every single year. I mean, to me, it's crazy. Ben,
I not want to be Richard Toddle right now, the
Pacos salary cap manager at this point. I think that
would be a stressful.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Job to have.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But I think you have to find a way to
keep Courtland here. He's obviously bo Nick's his top target.
Those guys have a lot of good chemistry together. They
spend a lot of time together away from the team
facility and away from the field. They all do stuff together,
so I think it's important to keep that. Well, yeah,
what's that window going to look like here? For Denver
and you have to obviously hope and planning your young
guys are going to pan out. But it goes back
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to what Sean Payton said at the Super Bowl radio roadband.
He said something and you know when it comes to
contract extensions, this is when he's talking with guys like
Mark Ingram. I think Cam Jordan was there when he
was having this discussion. He said, you know, we're not
in the business of doing what the player wants us
to do in a sense like we're in the business
and doing what's best for us as a team. And
obviously I think that's gonna be what openly boils down
to here in third decision with Cortland, Oh, Godi.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Roark, Mile High Sports, Cody.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Last one from me, as we look at the little
less than a month tell the NFL Draft, what do
you think is gonna be the biggest surprise that the
never Broncos do between now and the end of the draft.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Ooh yeah, that's a good one. You know. I we're
gonna see another draft day trade. You know that Sean
Payne's done two in a row so far, trading for
Adan Troutman one year trained for John Franklin Myers. You
see a player like the Murray mathis maybe offset in
the trade for you know, you know, more picks, or
could there be a player that they trade for that
they may like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I think that might be the big surprise we might see.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything else at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I really would neither, I said last question. But I
actually have one more for you. So the interesting rumor
floating around out there sort of in the ecosystem, and
that is and I mentioned a little bit earlier in
the show, and that is that the Giants, who I've
been told are still in the market for a quarterback
in the draft, despite having signed Jameis and Ross, have
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this sort of idea that they might be able to
draft Travis Hunter at three and then turn around and
trade up if Shador slides maybe to twenty with the
Denver Broncos, in an.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Effort to reunite them both in New York.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
What do you think of that and what do you
think of the feasibility of that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that would be very interesting to you know, I'd
be very curious. I mean, it's a big gamble obviously,
with Brian Dable Joe Shane their backs are against the
wall this year. Really, it's say they got to do
something this year or they may be out. And to me,
I always thought going with a rookie quarterback was going
to maybe extend their runway a little bit, give them
some grace with obviously the Merra family. But you know,
for me, we were just debating this conversation the other
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day about you know, if you you know, you got Russ,
you got Jamis, now if you still draft a rookie,
but then if you fire your coach in your GM,
now you're bringing in a GM and a head coach
and may not be married to the idea of liking
the quarterback that you guys drafted. That to me would
be a very very tough point. But then again, it
could open up the door to Dion.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Coming to New York.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So things kind of make sense there. I could see it.
But you know, what would Denver get in return? Essentially?
You know, would they get you know, a player.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Involved in that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Bring little Jordan Humphrey back right, No, No, that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't move something. Oh the fan base might melt
out on that, Cody. I appreciate you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Thanks Ben, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Absolutely take care. Cody Roark from Mile High Sports. Always
enjoy having him on. Get a chance to talk about
that when we come back. Zack Seger's gonna pop in Narlon.
Zach Seager's gonna pop. He's got a new article up
there on the KWAI website. Gotta go over that. We'll
talk about the Broncos over under win total set at
nine and a half wins over there at ESPN bet
and if this means the national media have used a
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Broncos as a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Broncos Country back after this.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Welcome back to the Broncos Country tonight, Benjamin Albright, Grant
Smith back there behind the glass five six six nine
zero is the text line. Thanks to Cody Roart from
My High Sports joining us in the last segment of
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Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, I'm getting the look from from Grant like, now, okay,
he's not welcome. Oh got severral Texas came in, uh
the three or three asking which book is already calling
the NFL season ESPN Bett has the lines out there
and they've got the Broncos at nine and a half
for the over under welcoming in Zach Seers. He's got
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a new article up on KWI Colorado dot com. What
do you think about the being listed over under it
nine and a half.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think that sounds about right to me. I think
that's a stay away line for me. I would look
at the other thirty one teams and see what I
like better there. I think nine and a half is
about right. I think a lot of people will understandably
be expecting them to take a step forward. You know,
they were ten and seven last year. You're going to
get another year of bo Nix's development. But I also
think they had a lot of good breaks last year
that somewhat inflated that win total. I think their schedule
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of questionable quarterbacks there was a good stretch there. Whether
they had a lot of questionable quarterbacks. They did help
them out. The Raiders, of course, are going to be tougher.
I know you've been hitting on that a lot. They
got the freebie there at the end of the year
with the Chiefs. That's another good point. So I think
even though they're a better team, their record could be
worse this year.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's what I was trying to caution a couple of
weeks back when we had that conversation the first time.
I was like, they could be a much better football
team and still have a lesser record than what they
had last year.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We'll see. I mean, obviously we're hoping for them to
eclipse that win total. You've got a new article up there.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
On koa Colorado dot Com and it delves into one
of the positions I think they're going to need to
shore up in order to facilitate getting over that nine
and a half win total, and that specifically is the
running back position.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I think they absolutely need some help at running back.
I think Ian on KOA Sports gave us some interesting
insight there in Rappaport of course with NFO Network, and
he had me a little concerned, admittedly, talking about JK
Dobbins and how he expects the Denver Broncos to not
just with JK. Dobbins, but with the running back market
in general. And to be clear, it's on both ends.
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It's both on the Broncos and on the running backs
out there, but both sides are kind of in weight
and see mode because teams want to see, well, what
are we able to get with this loaded running back draft?
And these veteran running backs are looking at the market,
they're not getting the offers they want and they're thinking, well,
why don't we sit around and see if one of
these teams gets desperate after the draft because they didn't
land the guy they want to land. Now, obviously that
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can benefit the Broncos. They're going into the draft with
all the options on the table for them, and you know,
maybe now they double up in the draft at the
position if if the board falls the right way, they're
they're a little more.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Free to do that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
But you could be that team that winds up desperate
and having to bid up on a JK. Dobbins because
you need a veteran and that's the last one available
and you don't want to be caught with your pants down.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That is possible.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I just tend to think that the longer running backs wait,
the more you realize that there's not money for you, you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Know, as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And you know, Dobbins I think fits the skill set
that you would want, the kind of complimentary pass catching
skill set that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You would want.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, the Broncos maybe the thing they don't have
out of the running backs that they've been looking at
or already have, and I think he fills that role.
You know, maybe Nick Chubb's name certainly has been trotted
out there, although I struggle to see that. I watched
him play last year and I'm like, I don't know.
I do want them to have a veteran in the room, though,
you know, you want every room to at least have
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one guy that's a veteran, right that's a second contractor
you know, player that's better on the league long enough,
that's able to instill so of the work ethic into
these young guys, like, hey, this is the NFL. You've
been successful every where you've been in high school, college, whatever,
but you may not have the NFL work ethic because
all these guys are the best at everywhere they were.
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So I do think that they need to bring a
veteran in to that room. I would agree.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
I think part again, part of I think the urgency
to do so is man the drop off after JK.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Dobbins is steep.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I mean, we're going to Nick Chubb, who at least
he can pass protect.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But was I mean in effective one.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Of the only running backs in the league that was
less effective than Javante on a per carry basis if
you want to look at you know, like epa per
carry or even rushing success rate. It was really rough
and he did not look the same. And but you
know that's I think to be expected. He had a
really gruesome lower body injury.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You guys, don't think that another year removed from that energy,
he's not going to look more like the Nick Chubb
we used to see. I possible, but I mean, howel's
Nick Chubb now getting closer to third He's on the
right side.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I was like, he's real close to thirty years old.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And it goes back to that saying I always say, like,
how many guys you know used to have a bad back, right,
nobody used to have a bad back.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You have a bad back, you know, And so I
like you're not.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You're getting older, you're coming off injuries. They started to
accumulate the wear and tear. It's the running back position.
Not that Big Chubb wasn't a dynamic player when he
was one hundred percent healthy. I just don't know. I mean,
even JK. Dobbins is an injury risk as he has
been throughout his career. He came back off the same
injury that Javante had. It took him longer to come
back off it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that'll be thirty in December.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, and I'll be worried about Dobbin's injury history too.
The difference for me is, I think Dobbins was an
effective player last year and but we haven't seen it.
I think he could another year removed from it. But
I think more often than not, you know, you hate
to say it, but that doesn't really pan out. I
think for every Corl and Sutton, where a couple of
years down the line, they're kind of back to be
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in their former self. You have a Javonte Williams. You know,
Javonte Williams got that extra year removed, and we were
hoping that this twenty twenty four season would look different
for him and you know, maybe it was even worse
than what we saw in twenty twenty three. I would
worry about suffering that same thing with Nick Chubb. That said,
if you miss out on JK. Dobbins, he might be
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your best option because he can pass protect well even
in his injured state. And you talk about wanting that,
you know, veteran leadership, that guy who shows you how
to do things the right way, work ethic, all that stuff.
Nick Chubb, from everything I've ever heard, is like the
consummate professional at running back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, and he is that guy. I mean, you know,
we have Shelby Harrison here all the time, team made
Nick Chubbs. He raves about Nick.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Chubbs as his dude talking with Zack Seegers. You can
find his latest article up at kaoi Colorado dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know, we've we've talked.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The base on social media seems to just be almost
apopleptic that the Broncos do not seem to be interested
in wide receivers. I mean outside of like the Day
three types in the draft, that kind of thing. We
kind of warned about that here for several weeks on
the show that you know, they really love the young
groups that they've got. They may add up, you know,
a lower tier guy just to have another veteran in
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the room. But you know, as we're talking to Cody
in the last segment, Courtland really is like the only
veteran that's in that room. And the wide receiver market
has gotten to the point now where it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I mean, you know, to.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Keep Courtland Sutton, that number is probably twenty nine to
thirty million dollars a year, where at the beginning of
this process we were thinking twenty five was on the
high side. You look at the deals that that Steffan
Diggs has gotten you Ta Higgins. I mean, I'm not
even putt him in the Chase stratosphere, but the t Higgins,
Steffan Diggs, I mean, that's that's the market for for
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Cortland Sutt. Is it worth it to pay Courtland Sutton
at this point thirty million dollars a year to keep him.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I think you maybe try and work something out, you know,
give him some more incentives on the end of this
deal or something like that, kind of the the solution
they found last year. You know, you hate to say it,
I'd stare him down and see if he's willing to
hold out this season.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I would doubt he's willing.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
To do that. I don't think you want to move
off him, and you know, put your young quarterbacks development
in jeopardy. They have a great relationship or great chemistry.
And to what you said, he's by far and a
way not only the only veteran, but I think the
only guy that projects is or at least now projects
for the twenty twenty five season as a real deal
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number one target in an offense. I think I'm pretty
optimistic about fully. I think he could develop into be
in a team's number two for a long time. I
feel similarly about Marvin Miims. But I don't think you're
going to have that guy, and that's what they're missing
right now. I think they've got a lot of intriguing
role players in that receiving room, and what they need
is that alpha, that top dog that you know you
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can draw a play for. He can make bo Nicks
right even when Boonix is wrong. That's the guy people
want to find. That guy's not out there in this
year's free agency or in this year's NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Circle back next year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
This is a rarely or in a regularly weak NFL
draft when it comes to receiver, at least at the
top of the draft, you can find a really dynamic
presence probably next year, maybe the year after that, and
get your alpha that way, and in the meantime have
sut and tied you over.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Talking with zex Segers here, I think, and I feel
like that's.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Kind of the way this thing looks, like, do you
hope court little comeback won't hold out? Maybe we can
try to spiff you a little bit to get you
through this year and you know, or guarantee some of
the money this year to you know.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
For that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But if I say, if I were to suggest to
you that I believe Devon Valet is a thousand yard receiver,
eight touchdown guy playing the X in this offense, would
you laugh at that or would you both think that
that was within the realm of possibility.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I think it's within the realm of possibility. I think
you have a problem where you're removing that number one guy,
and I think everything gets a little clunky as a result.
Like do I think Devon Valley, out of necessity, can
have that workload? Yes, But I think ideally he's your
number two. Let's say, well, now, Marvin Mims, not only
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are you dealing with that with late, now Mims is
having to deal with eighty catches for eight hundred yards
or whatever. He's having to be your number two in
the passing game when maybe he should still be your
number three at this point in his development. Troy Franklin,
Now maybe he's forced to step up into the starting
lineup when he still has a long way to go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Is he ready to do that?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I think the trickle down effect is what you'd be
concerned about, because, but honestly, that's the problem the Broncos
are already facing. Sutton is probably a high end two
or low end one. Valay's probably a high end three.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Low end two.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
At this point, you already have somewhat of a problem
where guys are playing a little above their I don't
know where they should be. It's going to get dramatically
worse if you're suddenly asking Devon Blay to be the
go to guy in the passing game, Mims to be
the go to number two, and then I guess Ingram
would have to be the go to number three at
this point is career. I think that's I wouldn't feel
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great about him.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You go back and you look at the way that
Sean Payton has constructed wide receiver rooms though before, and
that that kind of is the way that he's done it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know, you go back and you look.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, they've had that backside burner guy with it,
you know, in this case Mims, but previously Brandon Cooks
or Case Stills or Devery Henderson, Landlamore, Yeah, Ted Ginn.
You know, you had a guy on the backside that
was a burner or any nine like Lake Mims. You've
had a guy that worked in the middle of the field,
or guys that have worked the middle of the field,
the Calloway's, the tray Juan Smiths that have worked.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Between the numbers out of the slot.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You've had the mismatch off the line wise, the Jimmy Graham's,
Jeremy Shockey's whatever. And then you've had that ex receiver
who I always called it the slant God. But you know,
because they're going to spam that guy with a lot
of slant and hitch routes and it's it's you know,
Marcus Colston or Michael Thomas and Colston's the seventh round
guy on a small school that people are like, what
are you doing making this the guy?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But you know, I mean, for all.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
The criticisms that I've had a Sean Bayden, I think
you gotta trust him when it comes to wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think there's definitely some truth to that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I would just say, I think even those Saints teams,
and your point about him not investing a lot and
wide receiver is true, but I think even those Saints
teams had more at wide receiver, a good bit more
than the Broncos have sans Courtland Sutton. I think with
Courtland Sutton it's maybe a little comparable. But you know,
I just you had Marcus Colston, En Lancemore and Darren
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Sprolls or Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara and Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think you've had.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Better trios or collections of pass catchers that are a
little more proven and maybe you know they get a
mari and Hampton in the first and from day one,
he's just the dude.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He's at Alvin Kamara type. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You just don't want to put yourself in the position
where I think you're demanding that, and I think getting
rid of Sutton. You're demanding all of a sudden, Devon
Valley to become Marcus Colston next season, and all these other.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Players to step up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's just it's a gamble across a lot of different
parts of the offense, and I feel like you have
to hit on every It's a really scary parlay for
me personally.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The two leading receivers in Sean Payton's first year in
New Orleans were rookies, Reggie Bush and Marcus Colston. The
veteran that they had, of course, they did have one,
was Joe Horn, right. You know, Defray Henderson was only
twenty four years old, but Joe Horn was a thirty
four year old. He had been around the league, you know,
quite some time. That was the veteran that they had.
Everybody else in that room was young. Terrence Copper was
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twenty four, Henderson was twenty four, Colston was twenty three.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, these guys were rookies.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
My reception, Reggie Bush had the was the team leading
receiver by yardage, it was Colston. You know, Sean Payton
has absolutely shown that he'll throw rookies out there if
he believes they can get it done.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
True, But then in two thousand and six. His next season,
it looks like they kind of kept it the same.
They didn't immediately lean into that youth mold. And then
I guess first year I thought it five was No.
Six was the first year my five was Jimmy Haslitt.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Was still coaching. Well the next year, I mean, you're right.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The the next year he does get a lot younger.
It's Colston and Bush and then David Patton. It's the
number three guy, So he's done it before. Man, I'd
feel dodgy. You know, you had Lance Moore in that room,
even if he wasn't the Lance Moore he wound up being.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You had Pierre Thomas in that room.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Still, Reggie Bush was one of the most special running
back prospects we've ever seen, if not the most special,
I don't know. It would be a big, big swing
and a big bet on devon delay if he ends
up being the next Marcus Colston, though, and Marvin Minz
ends up being the next Lance Moore.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You're okay with deals or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, you look like a genius, and I mean that's
something he enjoys. And you freed up you know, twenty
five million that you can then reinvest into the offensive
line or into this defensive line, which I mean they
might have to with the way things are trending towards.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Its one of the things, Yeah, I talked to Cody
Batt talked about. It's it's out there in the in
the you know, in kind of the in the ether
and in something I've had some conversations with some people
behind the scenes, and that is the possible ability that
Chador Sanders could slide in this draft a lot further
than people think. The New York Giants, with discussions with
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people that I've had, are not out on a rookie quarterback,
even with Russ, even with Jamos. They are still probably
going to draft the quarterback, whether that's with their first
pick or whatever. But there's some speculation out there from
let's call it informed types that suggest that the Giants
could draft Travis Hunter at three and then try to
trade back up to get a falling Shadoor Sanders and repair.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Them in New York.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
What do you think of that idea and what would
you be saying if Chador was sitting there at twenty
and the Giants traded with the Broncos came up to
do that to get that.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Pick, I mean, I'd be thrown.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
From a Broncos standpoint, I think the Broncos ideal outcome
in this draft is trading down. They're kind of in
that no man's land that's been discussed a lot in
this pre draft process, kind of between fifteen and fifty
or so, where there's not a ton of difference in
the quality of prospects you're getting. Le Broncos could certainly
use extra picks. I think ideally they would trade back.
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It's just who are people going to be trading up for.
Trying to get in front of the Steelers for a
quarterback would make a lot of sense. I could buy
that theory. From a Giant's perspective. I don't know if
I love the idea of trading up for Chador. Admittedly,
there's just some things that worry me there with him.
I wonder about his ability to play or to create
off script. I think that's a big question mark and
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something you want to see for a quarterback you're trading
up for in the first round. And then there's there's
enough of the weird teammates stuff you know around like
the Nebraska game sticks in my head that would give
me pause. Outside of that, though, I really like it.
Get Travis Hunter, get a real deal prospect, one of
the few elite prospects in this class, at the top
of the draft, and then take that gamble later on,
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even if it's not Schador. If you know, let's say
you try and take that gamble and you know there's
some shocking pick like we saw with Michael Pennox last year,
doesn't work out for you and shoudor doesn't all far enough.
I still would like that process by the Giants because
I think the fallback options at the top of the
second round with you know, uh, Tyler Scheff, I think
that's a comparable bet, if not a preferable bet to me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Gotta hit a break here, But yeah, I like that
and doing it and moving back. You know, the Broncos
could pick up a Ason Taylor with that draft pick,
you know that kind of thing. I don't know, just
the idea as I started getting in these conversations started
to appeal to the Zach.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You have a check out his article there at Kawacolorado
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run right out of the ka Commas Frail hotline.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And bring on our guy Cody. Roar Cody. You haven't
run into the lethal granola lately? Have you?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No? What is that? I I'm very very curious for us.
I've had regular granola. I don't know about lethal.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, rick Lewis lost the tooth eating some granola.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So yeah, we're we're putting the we're putting the word out.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You know those those those nature valley bars that that
that wasn't actually what did it? But uh, you know
the exactly the ones I'm talking about, the ones where
every time you bite into it, you're like, Okay, did
I get it out there or did I chip my tooth?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah? No, I might have to avoid it. I think
you just gotta stick with regular regular oats. You know,
you got like the Quaker oats. You know you grind
up in the blunder with your protein shake. That's steel cutty.
I'm feeling for Rick there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you gotta go with the steel cutouts. I might
have to just switch to.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oatmeal all together here, just just you know, worried about
my teeth, Cody. Rememberrocos having a heck of an offseason
here free agent moves.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Shoring up the defense with Fanga green Law.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You had Sherfield to shore up the special teams roles
and and kind of take over the little Jordan blocking roll.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You get it off the line?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Why and Evan Ingram really you know, the only and
then you bring back you know, Burton you had, you
had a punter. You probably gonna add another one later
for competition. The only things they really haven't done are
addressed the running back position, which could still happen before
the draft and definitely will happen in the draft. And
then it's kind of funny because I mentioned Ingram, they
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really didn't do anything for the joker position. He's more
of a of a heavy slot.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, you know, I I do feel like Sean will
probably look to move him around a little bit. I mean,
you know, I was watching his Jacksonville tape and obviously
the year he had what was I think of one
hundred and fourteen catching you think one hundred and forty
something target that you're with Trevor Lawrence. He really was
their their main go to guy there. I mean, he
just has the capabilities of being able to move around
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a little bit. Now, obviously didn't play as much in
line at the wide position, but you know there were
several times that he specifically against the Chicago Bears, he
lined up in line and they isolated him one on
one against that the inside linebacker, and you know he'd
run a shake route or you know, he just run.
He's got the ability to find the sauce pots and
zonne and even ran a couple of crossers you know,
with the inside linebacker and coverage where he makes it.
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But you know, the thing I like about Ingram is
that you know, he's he's a guy that has I
think a good catch radius. He's not afraid to go up,
you know, with contact. You know, he's not afraid of
getting hit by anybody by any means. And you know,
he's a guy I think that has pretty good focus.
The thing is, too, he's also I think a very
solid rout runner. He's a big body guy. He can
move around different spots. Honestly, Ben, I would not even
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be shocked if we do see him line up a
little bit even in the backs of from time to time,
you know, maybe even a dump out to the flat
kind of what we saw them. He was Mark and
MEM's obviously last season. But part of me does wonder
with Ingram's edition here and obviously with the opportunity to
maybe find a joker running back in the draft. There
are a couple of candidates out there, how does that
impact Marvin's role as something I'm very curious about.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think they view him
as kind of that z you know, on the backside,
hitting the you know, the Bang eight, the Bang nine,
you know, and and kind of being that guy.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But we'll see they've got some options at.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Least as as far.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
As that stuff goes this year. Uh, Ingram. The one
other thing I want to ask you about Ingram before
we move on.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know, it's it's kind of a fascinating court because
you talked about the year they kind of spanned him
with the target senter of Jacksonbility of course got those
numbers up, but uh, he really has not been He's
been a between the twenties guy and for whatever reason,
has really not been a red zone guy outside of
his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, part of me wonders, is it play calling? You know,
his environment situation. I know that that one year in
twenty twenty three specifically, you know for him, you know,
he had a couple of big catches. I think he
had two touchdown catches in the red zone against the
Cleveland Browns if I'm not mistaken. But you know, this
is a guy who can catch it at you know,
five to ten yards out there on the flat, and
he can take it forty yards, you know, sixty yards
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if he'd be there. You know, he fights for the
extra yardage. And you know it's one thing I watched
when they played the Kansas City Chiefs a couple of
years ago. Just where he's at. He understands. I think
the leverage in which he's going to take to get,
you know, on a route to maybe get an advantage
against you know, a defensive back, and if he's trying
to get up the sidelines, he's trying to make a
cut back in. He's just a smart football player. He's
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physical there. So for me, you know, I think a
lot of it may just be situations. I don't know
off the top of my head what the Giants goal
line numbers were, but I imagine their offense obviously has been
not great for the last halver may handful of years,
and then obviously Jacksonville kind of sputtered off this past season.
So I'd be very curious to go back and see
what those red zone rankings were for those teams. Obviously,
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and you Evan Ingram now.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Maybe amplify it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I think now here in Denver they obviously upgraded and
they got better in the red zone this past season.
But I think he probably helps him get even better
there now with his size and obviously his ability. I mean,
he's got some nice shake to him there. So you know,
I think open things up where defenses can't just primarily
say hey, we're gonna we're gonna bracket cover Courton here
and see. You know, if anyone else can beat us,
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you have a guy I think that can with his
size there with Evan.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Ingram, Talmy Coley Rourke, Mile High Sports and depending on
how you classify Evan Ingram and I've kind of classified
more as a receiver than a tight end. But you know,
it's you know, six and one half dozen the other
really but the Brooks really haven't added anything to the
wide receiver room this offseason. I know some fans have
been calling for that, but we tried to caution that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You know, Sean Payton was was.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Pretty clear with the media that that was not something
that they felt very confident about their young receiving core
guys like Vla and Mims and to a lesser extent,
Troy Franklin. And should we expect to see more production.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Out of those guys as they've they've kind of passed on.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The receiver thing and maybe look at a Day three
receiver for depth.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I think that's the expectation, right, you know, if you're
confident your guys, they obviously have to match that, you know.
I think we saw Troy Franklin take that step late
in the season. We saw him obviously you know, finally
connect on that deep ball with bow knicks there. I
would like to see the Broncos and Sean run Troy
Franklin on more crossing routes, shot pattern routs versus just
him going be in the go ball, you know every time.
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I think that will open some things up here. But
you have that dynamic there. The thing about Franklin is
he's got Marvin Mintz type speed at a bigger size.
So that's great that you can maybe use him and
Marvin in that Z role here. I think Vyle is
probably gonna be the more house candidate to probably replace
Lott Jordan Humphreys role as that kind of move around guy.
I think we're gonna see Valley downfield a little bit
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more than we did this past season. I think that's
gonna be something that's going to be a little bit
of a roll carved out for him going forward. But
you know, then, you know they had they have to
avoid some of these things. We saw it against the
Buffalo Bills. You know, when Corlon sat was getting you know,
double team and bracket covered. You know, especially on third
down by Buffalo's defense, you needed other guys to step up.
Vailey had a few drops. Troy Franklin had to drop,
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and I know Cotland had to drop in that game.
But that's where you need those guys to step up.
So for me, I'm not opposed, and I would actually
prefer if they went out there and got a veteran
guy just as an insurance policy. I'm not saying you're
bringing in a veteran guy like a Keenan Allen or
Amari Cooper to be your number two receiver, right you know,
I think there's a lot of conversation about you know
this guy, Why would you bring this guy in if
it takes away reps from the other guys. I think
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you just needed someone reliable. I think you just need
another reliable guy there, someone that has proven as just
an insurance policy. And look, Ben, I think your run
injury away at that position from you know, wondering, Hey,
who's up next? What do we have next? And I
know that they want to see what at Perry can
bring to the table. We'll see a lot of that
in July and obviously in the preseason in August. But
that's the position. I mean, I would expect him to
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maybe add in the draft, or if they don't, you
know if they don't add a veteran receiver at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I do think that they'll look at the draft
on Day three, guy like Jalen Royle's maybe somebody that
could be in between the numbers, you know, work the
field kind of guy. You go back and you look
at guys that Sean and had back in New Orleans.
I think the most recent example that probably tray Quan Smith,
who briefly spent time here in Denver as well. But
you know, he does have certain archetypes he likes out
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of these receivers and yeah, well right, and certain measurables
on some of the things too. Yeah, I think, and
I think that's the direction they probably go. We talked
a little bit about the receivers want to get the
running backs here.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They have not of yet added a veteran running back.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I do believe the potential for that exists a little
closer to the draft, maybe a JK.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Dobbins or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I believe that drafting a running back is also
going to be a priority for this team, whether it's
you know, the highly speculated about Maria and Hampton, whether
you're waiting a little bit for DJ Giddens, whatever. Quin
Shawn Jenkins, what do you think about the running back position.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, no, I mean I'm all for it being you know,
either the round one pick or the round two pick.
I don't think they could go wrong either way. I
think right now your top one hundred picks in this
year's draft, I feel like you have to invest on
the offensive side of the wall. Give some cost control
obviously in terms of contract while bow Nick is on
a deal, add some playmakers that maybe bring some juice
and some spark to the offense. You know, running back
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is obviously, I think one of those positions. I think
the overall value of it going forward is going to
change a little bit. I think for the last three
or four years, we saw that window of depreciation where
it's like, hey, we don't want to pay guys anymore.
You see the wear and tear. But now, you know,
at the college level, I mean, this is this year's
draft class. There's a ton of really good backs, probably
more so than we've seen in recent memory. But you know,
there aren't the say Kwan's out there that you know
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you're going to necessarily run into. In terms of the
veterans side, right, I mean, the Broncos. They could have
went out there, and they could still obviously get a
veteran like you mentioned j A Obbys at this point
out they even kick the tires on a Nick Chubb
or something. But I think that you want to go younger,
You want to go where there's not as much wear
and tear, and you want to go with flash youth
and explosive this. And look, I think the youth movement
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is something that Sean Payton, I feel like sometimes is
hesitant about, but I also think he's excited about. You know,
when you got young guys like you look at the
roster right now, the backs on the roster. You got
Tyler today, you've got Blake Watson, who I know he
really liked, you know, signing as an undrafted rookie free agent.
You got Odre Estimy, who had some flashes and some
sparks last year. And obviously you know Jelil McLaughlin, who
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you know is a workhorse and could do a lot
of different things for you. But you know this year's
draft that you might have a back that's capable of
having twenty carries in a game, not only that but
also being an impact primary guy out of the fact
that there's a pass catching back for you, you know,
I think that's what Sean's looking for as a guy
who could run the ball officially in between the tackles,
get to the outside, but also be a primary focus
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in the passing game as well for boat Knicks and
I think, you know, Mari and Hanton's one of those guys.
I'm a big tray beyond Henderson guy. I just don't
think that Denver could go wrong with any of the
backs that to maybe look at in this year's draft.
I think that should be priority and I will not
be shocked if it's number twenty overall.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tyi Coley Rohmarck from Mile High Sports.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The Broncos Chris Thompson reported that the Broncos are not
going to engage in negotiations for extensions until after the draft.
That puts them at their maxim leverage point. It's been
kind of interesting, is the wide receivers market has accelerated.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
When you look at the deals and Stefan.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Diggs and t Higgins have gotten, it pushes the number
for a Courtland Sutton North. I mean at number at
this point is around twenty eight twenty nine million, dollars
per year. Do you think that the Broncos A you
should keep Courtland Sutton and do you think he's worth
it at that number?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean I think they should keep him. I
mean the number I don't I don't know about because
as we all see, that number is going to change us.
He Jamar Chase, congratulations to him for obviously, you know,
doing that. He did t Higgins being the you know,
one of those guys. But then obviously you had the
Ceede Lambs of Justin Jefferson contracts, you know at Cortland
eighteen touchdowns in the last two seasons, and to be
honest with you, he's kind of only been the real
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big sparket wide receiver for them the last couple of seasons.
He's come up big with some clutch time catches and touchdowns.
You know, he's been a big part of their success
and obviously their growth obviously in the last year. But
twenty nine million per year, that's that's obviously going to
be a tough price point, especially when you got to
take care of guys like Zach Allen, Nick Bonito, which
are what the market's going to look like for them,
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considering you know, Zach Allen's, you know, a d end
handed the dirt guy when they look at pass rusher,
I mean Nick, But it was a lot different than
what you see from guys like Miles Garrett on the
outside or a Max Crosby, because those guys are you know,
they're lengthy, and then their defensive scheme has them hands
in the dirt on the outside, whereas makes a stand
up guy. I think Nick obviously offers more and pass
coverage than those guys do. But how do you come
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to terms with.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
A number there?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, is the market's going to change and evolve
every single year. I mean, to me, it's crazy. Ben,
I not want to be Richard Toddle right now, the
Pacos salary cap manager at this point. I think that
would be a stressful.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Job to have.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But I think you have to find a way to
keep Courtland here. He's obviously bo Nick's his top target.
Those guys have a lot of good chemistry together. They
spend a lot of time together away from the team
facility and away from the field. They all do stuff together,
so I think it's important to keep that. Well, yeah,
what's that window going to look like here? For Denver
and you have to obviously hope and planning your young
guys are going to pan out. But it goes back
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to what Sean Payton said at the Super Bowl radio roadband.
He said something and you know when it comes to
contract extensions, this is when he's talking with guys like
Mark Ingram. I think Cam Jordan was there when he
was having this discussion. He said, you know, we're not
in the business of doing what the player wants us
to do in a sense like we're in the business
and doing what's best for us as a team. And
obviously I think that's gonna be what openly boils down
to here in third decision with Cortland, Oh, Godi.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Roark, Mile High Sports, Cody.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Last one from me, as we look at the little
less than a month tell the NFL Draft, what do
you think is gonna be the biggest surprise that the
never Broncos do between now and the end of the draft.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Ooh yeah, that's a good one. You know. I we're
gonna see another draft day trade. You know that Sean
Payne's done two in a row so far, trading for
Adan Troutman one year trained for John Franklin Myers. You
see a player like the Murray mathis maybe offset in
the trade for you know, you know, more picks, or
could there be a player that they trade for that
they may like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I think that might be the big surprise we might see.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything else at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I really would neither, I said last question. But I
actually have one more for you. So the interesting rumor
floating around out there sort of in the ecosystem, and
that is and I mentioned a little bit earlier in
the show, and that is that the Giants, who I've
been told are still in the market for a quarterback
in the draft, despite having signed Jameis and Ross, have
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this sort of idea that they might be able to
draft Travis Hunter at three and then turn around and
trade up if Shador slides maybe to twenty with the
Denver Broncos, in an.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Effort to reunite them both in New York.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
What do you think of that and what do you
think of the feasibility of that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that would be very interesting to you know, I'd
be very curious. I mean, it's a big gamble obviously,
with Brian Dable Joe Shane their backs are against the
wall this year. Really, it's say they got to do
something this year or they may be out. And to me,
I always thought going with a rookie quarterback was going
to maybe extend their runway a little bit, give them
some grace with obviously the Merra family. But you know,
for me, we were just debating this conversation the other
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day about you know, if you you know, you got Russ,
you got Jamis, now if you still draft a rookie,
but then if you fire your coach in your GM,
now you're bringing in a GM and a head coach
and may not be married to the idea of liking
the quarterback that you guys drafted. That to me would
be a very very tough point. But then again, it
could open up the door to Dion.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Coming to New York.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So things kind of make sense there. I could see it.
But you know, what would Denver get in return? Essentially?
You know, would they get you know, a player.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Involved in that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Bring little Jordan Humphrey back right, No, No, that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't move something. Oh the fan base might melt
out on that, Cody. I appreciate you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Thanks Ben, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Absolutely take care. Cody Roark from Mile High Sports. Always
enjoy having him on. Get a chance to talk about
that when we come back. Zack Seger's gonna pop in Narlon.
Zach Seager's gonna pop. He's got a new article up
there on the KWAI website. Gotta go over that. We'll
talk about the Broncos over under win total set at
nine and a half wins over there at ESPN bet
and if this means the national media have used a
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Broncos as a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Broncos Country back after this.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Welcome back to the Broncos Country tonight, Benjamin Albright, Grant
Smith back there behind the glass five six six nine
zero is the text line. Thanks to Cody Roart from
My High Sports joining us in the last segment of
a state part of that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
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Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, I'm getting the look from from Grant like, now, okay,
he's not welcome. Oh got severral Texas came in, uh
the three or three asking which book is already calling
the NFL season ESPN Bett has the lines out there
and they've got the Broncos at nine and a half
for the over under welcoming in Zach Seers. He's got
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a new article up on KWI Colorado dot com. What
do you think about the being listed over under it
nine and a half.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I think that sounds about right to me. I think
that's a stay away line for me. I would look
at the other thirty one teams and see what I
like better there. I think nine and a half is
about right. I think a lot of people will understandably
be expecting them to take a step forward. You know,
they were ten and seven last year. You're going to
get another year of bo Nix's development. But I also
think they had a lot of good breaks last year
that somewhat inflated that win total. I think their schedule
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of questionable quarterbacks there was a good stretch there. Whether
they had a lot of questionable quarterbacks. They did help
them out. The Raiders, of course, are going to be tougher.
I know you've been hitting on that a lot. They
got the freebie there at the end of the year
with the Chiefs. That's another good point. So I think
even though they're a better team, their record could be
worse this year.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's what I was trying to caution a couple of
weeks back when we had that conversation the first time.
I was like, they could be a much better football
team and still have a lesser record than what they
had last year.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We'll see. I mean, obviously we're hoping for them to
eclipse that win total. You've got a new article up there.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
On koa Colorado dot Com and it delves into one
of the positions I think they're going to need to
shore up in order to facilitate getting over that nine
and a half win total, and that specifically is the
running back position.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I think they absolutely need some help at running back.
I think Ian on KOA Sports gave us some interesting
insight there in Rappaport of course with NFO Network, and
he had me a little concerned, admittedly, talking about JK
Dobbins and how he expects the Denver Broncos to not
just with JK. Dobbins, but with the running back market
in general. And to be clear, it's on both ends.
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It's both on the Broncos and on the running backs
out there, but both sides are kind of in weight
and see mode because teams want to see, well, what
are we able to get with this loaded running back draft?
And these veteran running backs are looking at the market,
they're not getting the offers they want and they're thinking, well,
why don't we sit around and see if one of
these teams gets desperate after the draft because they didn't
land the guy they want to land. Now, obviously that
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can benefit the Broncos. They're going into the draft with
all the options on the table for them, and you know,
maybe now they double up in the draft at the
position if if the board falls the right way, they're
they're a little more.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Free to do that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
But you could be that team that winds up desperate
and having to bid up on a JK. Dobbins because
you need a veteran and that's the last one available
and you don't want to be caught with your pants down.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That is possible.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I just tend to think that the longer running backs wait,
the more you realize that there's not money for you, you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Know, as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And you know, Dobbins I think fits the skill set
that you would want, the kind of complimentary pass catching
skill set that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You would want.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, the Broncos maybe the thing they don't have
out of the running backs that they've been looking at
or already have, and I think he fills that role.
You know, maybe Nick Chubb's name certainly has been trotted
out there, although I struggle to see that. I watched
him play last year and I'm like, I don't know.
I do want them to have a veteran in the room, though,
you know, you want every room to at least have
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one guy that's a veteran, right that's a second contractor
you know, player that's better on the league long enough,
that's able to instill so of the work ethic into
these young guys, like, hey, this is the NFL. You've
been successful every where you've been in high school, college, whatever,
but you may not have the NFL work ethic because
all these guys are the best at everywhere they were.
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So I do think that they need to bring a
veteran in to that room. I would agree.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
I think part again, part of I think the urgency
to do so is man the drop off after JK.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Dobbins is steep.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I mean, we're going to Nick Chubb, who at least
he can pass protect.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But was I mean in effective one.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Of the only running backs in the league that was
less effective than Javante on a per carry basis if
you want to look at you know, like epa per
carry or even rushing success rate. It was really rough
and he did not look the same. And but you
know that's I think to be expected. He had a
really gruesome lower body injury.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You guys, don't think that another year removed from that energy,
he's not going to look more like the Nick Chubb
we used to see. I possible, but I mean, howel's
Nick Chubb now getting closer to third He's on the
right side.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I was like, he's real close to thirty years old.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And it goes back to that saying I always say, like,
how many guys you know used to have a bad back, right,
nobody used to have a bad back.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You have a bad back, you know, And so I
like you're not.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You're getting older, you're coming off injuries. They started to
accumulate the wear and tear. It's the running back position.
Not that Big Chubb wasn't a dynamic player when he
was one hundred percent healthy. I just don't know. I mean,
even JK. Dobbins is an injury risk as he has
been throughout his career. He came back off the same
injury that Javante had. It took him longer to come
back off it.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that'll be thirty in December.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, and I'll be worried about Dobbin's injury history too.
The difference for me is, I think Dobbins was an
effective player last year and but we haven't seen it.
I think he could another year removed from it. But
I think more often than not, you know, you hate
to say it, but that doesn't really pan out. I
think for every Corl and Sutton, where a couple of
years down the line, they're kind of back to be
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in their former self. You have a Javonte Williams. You know,
Javonte Williams got that extra year removed, and we were
hoping that this twenty twenty four season would look different
for him and you know, maybe it was even worse
than what we saw in twenty twenty three. I would
worry about suffering that same thing with Nick Chubb. That said,
if you miss out on JK. Dobbins, he might be
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your best option because he can pass protect well even
in his injured state. And you talk about wanting that,
you know, veteran leadership, that guy who shows you how
to do things the right way, work ethic, all that stuff.
Nick Chubb, from everything I've ever heard, is like the
consummate professional at running back.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, and he is that guy. I mean, you know,
we have Shelby Harrison here all the time, team made
Nick Chubbs. He raves about Nick.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Chubbs as his dude talking with Zack Seegers. You can
find his latest article up at kaoi Colorado dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know, we've we've talked.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The base on social media seems to just be almost
apopleptic that the Broncos do not seem to be interested
in wide receivers. I mean outside of like the Day
three types in the draft, that kind of thing. We
kind of warned about that here for several weeks on
the show that you know, they really love the young
groups that they've got. They may add up, you know,
a lower tier guy just to have another veteran in
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the room. But you know, as we're talking to Cody
in the last segment, Courtland really is like the only
veteran that's in that room. And the wide receiver market
has gotten to the point now where it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I mean, you know, to.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Keep Courtland Sutton, that number is probably twenty nine to
thirty million dollars a year, where at the beginning of
this process we were thinking twenty five was on the
high side. You look at the deals that that Steffan
Diggs has gotten you Ta Higgins. I mean, I'm not
even putt him in the Chase stratosphere, but the t Higgins,
Steffan Diggs, I mean, that's that's the market for for
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Cortland Sutt. Is it worth it to pay Courtland Sutton
at this point thirty million dollars a year to keep him.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I think you maybe try and work something out, you know,
give him some more incentives on the end of this
deal or something like that, kind of the the solution
they found last year. You know, you hate to say it,
I'd stare him down and see if he's willing to
hold out this season.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I would doubt he's willing.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
To do that. I don't think you want to move
off him, and you know, put your young quarterbacks development
in jeopardy. They have a great relationship or great chemistry.
And to what you said, he's by far and a
way not only the only veteran, but I think the
only guy that projects is or at least now projects
for the twenty twenty five season as a real deal
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number one target in an offense. I think I'm pretty
optimistic about fully. I think he could develop into be
in a team's number two for a long time. I
feel similarly about Marvin Miims. But I don't think you're
going to have that guy, and that's what they're missing
right now. I think they've got a lot of intriguing
role players in that receiving room, and what they need
is that alpha, that top dog that you know you
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can draw a play for. He can make bo Nicks
right even when Boonix is wrong. That's the guy people
want to find. That guy's not out there in this
year's free agency or in this year's NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Circle back next year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
This is a rarely or in a regularly weak NFL
draft when it comes to receiver, at least at the
top of the draft, you can find a really dynamic
presence probably next year, maybe the year after that, and
get your alpha that way, and in the meantime have
sut and tied you over.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Talking with zex Segers here, I think, and I feel
like that's.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Kind of the way this thing looks, like, do you
hope court little comeback won't hold out? Maybe we can
try to spiff you a little bit to get you
through this year and you know, or guarantee some of
the money this year to you know.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
For that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But if I say, if I were to suggest to
you that I believe Devon Valet is a thousand yard receiver,
eight touchdown guy playing the X in this offense, would
you laugh at that or would you both think that
that was within the realm of possibility.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I think it's within the realm of possibility. I think
you have a problem where you're removing that number one guy,
and I think everything gets a little clunky as a result.
Like do I think Devon Valley, out of necessity, can
have that workload? Yes, But I think ideally he's your
number two. Let's say, well, now, Marvin Mims, not only
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are you dealing with that with late, now Mims is
having to deal with eighty catches for eight hundred yards
or whatever. He's having to be your number two in
the passing game when maybe he should still be your
number three at this point in his development. Troy Franklin,
Now maybe he's forced to step up into the starting
lineup when he still has a long way to go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Is he ready to do that?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I think the trickle down effect is what you'd be
concerned about, because, but honestly, that's the problem the Broncos
are already facing. Sutton is probably a high end two
or low end one. Valay's probably a high end three.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Low end two.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
At this point, you already have somewhat of a problem
where guys are playing a little above their I don't
know where they should be. It's going to get dramatically
worse if you're suddenly asking Devon Blay to be the
go to guy in the passing game, Mims to be
the go to number two, and then I guess Ingram
would have to be the go to number three at
this point is career. I think that's I wouldn't feel
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great about him.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You go back and you look at the way that
Sean Payton has constructed wide receiver rooms though before, and
that that kind of is the way that he's done it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know, you go back and you look.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, they've had that backside burner guy with it,
you know, in this case Mims, but previously Brandon Cooks
or Case Stills or Devery Henderson, Landlamore, Yeah, Ted Ginn.
You know, you had a guy on the backside that
was a burner or any nine like Lake Mims. You've
had a guy that worked in the middle of the field,
or guys that have worked the middle of the field,
the Calloway's, the tray Juan Smiths that have worked.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Between the numbers out of the slot.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You've had the mismatch off the line wise, the Jimmy Graham's,
Jeremy Shockey's whatever. And then you've had that ex receiver
who I always called it the slant God. But you know,
because they're going to spam that guy with a lot
of slant and hitch routes and it's it's you know,
Marcus Colston or Michael Thomas and Colston's the seventh round
guy on a small school that people are like, what
are you doing making this the guy?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But you know, I mean, for all.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
The criticisms that I've had a Sean Bayden, I think
you gotta trust him when it comes to wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think there's definitely some truth to that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I would just say, I think even those Saints teams,
and your point about him not investing a lot and
wide receiver is true, but I think even those Saints
teams had more at wide receiver, a good bit more
than the Broncos have sans Courtland Sutton. I think with
Courtland Sutton it's maybe a little comparable. But you know,
I just you had Marcus Colston, En Lancemore and Darren
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Sprolls or Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara and Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think you've had.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Better trios or collections of pass catchers that are a
little more proven and maybe you know they get a
mari and Hampton in the first and from day one,
he's just the dude.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He's at Alvin Kamara type. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You just don't want to put yourself in the position
where I think you're demanding that, and I think getting
rid of Sutton. You're demanding all of a sudden, Devon
Valley to become Marcus Colston next season, and all these other.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Players to step up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's just it's a gamble across a lot of different
parts of the offense, and I feel like you have
to hit on every It's a really scary parlay for
me personally.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The two leading receivers in Sean Payton's first year in
New Orleans were rookies, Reggie Bush and Marcus Colston. The
veteran that they had, of course, they did have one,
was Joe Horn, right. You know, Defray Henderson was only
twenty four years old, but Joe Horn was a thirty
four year old. He had been around the league, you know,
quite some time. That was the veteran that they had.
Everybody else in that room was young. Terrence Copper was
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twenty four, Henderson was twenty four, Colston was twenty three.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, these guys were rookies.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
My reception, Reggie Bush had the was the team leading
receiver by yardage, it was Colston. You know, Sean Payton
has absolutely shown that he'll throw rookies out there if
he believes they can get it done.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
True, But then in two thousand and six. His next season,
it looks like they kind of kept it the same.
They didn't immediately lean into that youth mold. And then
I guess first year I thought it five was No.
Six was the first year my five was Jimmy Haslitt.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Was still coaching. Well the next year, I mean, you're right.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The the next year he does get a lot younger.
It's Colston and Bush and then David Patton. It's the
number three guy, So he's done it before. Man, I'd
feel dodgy. You know, you had Lance Moore in that room,
even if he wasn't the Lance Moore he wound up being.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You had Pierre Thomas in that room.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Still, Reggie Bush was one of the most special running
back prospects we've ever seen, if not the most special,
I don't know. It would be a big, big swing
and a big bet on devon delay if he ends
up being the next Marcus Colston, though, and Marvin Minz
ends up being the next Lance Moore.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You're okay with deals or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, you look like a genius, and I mean that's
something he enjoys. And you freed up you know, twenty
five million that you can then reinvest into the offensive
line or into this defensive line, which I mean they
might have to with the way things are trending towards.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Its one of the things, Yeah, I talked to Cody
Batt talked about. It's it's out there in the in
the you know, in kind of the in the ether
and in something I've had some conversations with some people
behind the scenes, and that is the possible ability that
Chador Sanders could slide in this draft a lot further
than people think. The New York Giants, with discussions with
(31:09):
people that I've had, are not out on a rookie quarterback,
even with Russ, even with Jamos. They are still probably
going to draft the quarterback, whether that's with their first
pick or whatever. But there's some speculation out there from
let's call it informed types that suggest that the Giants
could draft Travis Hunter at three and then try to
trade back up to get a falling Shadoor Sanders and repair.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Them in New York.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
What do you think of that idea and what would
you be saying if Chador was sitting there at twenty
and the Giants traded with the Broncos came up to
do that to get that.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Pick, I mean, I'd be thrown.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
From a Broncos standpoint, I think the Broncos ideal outcome
in this draft is trading down. They're kind of in
that no man's land that's been discussed a lot in
this pre draft process, kind of between fifteen and fifty
or so, where there's not a ton of difference in
the quality of prospects you're getting. Le Broncos could certainly
use extra picks. I think ideally they would trade back.
(32:07):
It's just who are people going to be trading up for.
Trying to get in front of the Steelers for a
quarterback would make a lot of sense. I could buy
that theory. From a Giant's perspective. I don't know if
I love the idea of trading up for Chador. Admittedly,
there's just some things that worry me there with him.
I wonder about his ability to play or to create
off script. I think that's a big question mark and
(32:28):
something you want to see for a quarterback you're trading
up for in the first round. And then there's there's
enough of the weird teammates stuff you know around like
the Nebraska game sticks in my head that would give
me pause. Outside of that, though, I really like it.
Get Travis Hunter, get a real deal prospect, one of
the few elite prospects in this class, at the top
of the draft, and then take that gamble later on,
(32:50):
even if it's not Schador. If you know, let's say
you try and take that gamble and you know there's
some shocking pick like we saw with Michael Pennox last year,
doesn't work out for you and shoudor doesn't all far enough.
I still would like that process by the Giants because
I think the fallback options at the top of the
second round with you know, uh, Tyler Scheff, I think
that's a comparable bet, if not a preferable bet to me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Gotta hit a break here, But yeah, I like that
and doing it and moving back. You know, the Broncos
could pick up a Ason Taylor with that draft pick,
you know that kind of thing. I don't know, just
the idea as I started getting in these conversations started
to appeal to the Zach.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You have a check out his article there at Kawacolorado
dot com. Roccos Country Tonight will be back in just
a few with Robb
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