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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cameron Mizsner is batting and driving and ending the game
first pitch swinging on a fastball, Cameron Mizzner with a
walk off homer. The Rockies walked off the Rays at
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the home opener in Denver last year. The Rays answer back.
Final score here in Tampa Tampa Bay three, Colorado two.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Cameron Friggin Missner call me Cameron Fragrant.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Miserable as the Rockies lose a heartbreaking fashion in the opener,
a walk off in the bottom of the ninth, Cameron
Missner three hundred and sixty seven feet to deep right,
and you could hear it from the crack of a bat,
in the sound of Jack's voice. The disappointment level the Rockies.
Pretty good game overall for a opener. It wasn't like
you're getting blown out or anything. I had seven hits
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on the day. They did score the two runs. Freeland
went six innings, no runs, no earned runs, seven strikeouts.
But then you had, you know, Kiley come in give
up to two runs, and then Vodnik, you know, come
in and give up a thing in the night. And
the story of the Colorado Rockies and the bullpen not
being able to hold leads starts off again and what
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we hope is not a harbinger for a season to come.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Hopefully it's not. And I know this is opening day
for the Rockies. Obviously next week will be I guess
opening day for them home opener, home opener. But for me,
there's some great things that I take away from this game.
You start off talking about Kyle Freeland. We had an
opportunity that yesterday when I was on a Sports too
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to talk to Black about the pitch and what he
might be able to do. And Cayle Freeland, as you said,
he went out and he had a great day. And
usually what.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Happens with the Rockies, they.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Got to find a way to figure this out because
certain games last season, the pitching was there, the bats
were not. And then when the bats are there, the
pitching you're not there. So they got to find a
way to kind of cohes with him, get everything together.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But Kyle had a great day.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Seven K's picked six innings, which is great for him,
and you expect when you pitch like that, you expect.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To win the ball game.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But like you said, when it comes back to the Rockies,
it always goes back to relieve pitching, and the seventh
inning just fell apart for them.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, just completely fell apart. And I'm rooting for Bud Black.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm rooting for the Rockies, but I'm mostly rooting for
Kyle Freeland because remember open the day last last year,
sixteen to one against Arizona.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ye certain certainly improvement on that.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Freeland, you know, there was some controversy about whether or
not he should have been left in because he was
pitching well, he only throwing sixty seven pitches at that point,
certainly had allowed much struck out seven, only allowed two hits,
didn't walk anybody, and there was there was some controversy
about whether or not they should have even gone to
Tyler Kinley at that point, who came in and in
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one third of the inning gave up three hits and
of course the two runs while walking a batter as well,
didn't get a strikeout at all.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And it's just one.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Of those things where you look at this and you say,
you know, could it would have, should have.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But if you're you know, if you're Bud Black, sixty.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Seven pitches, I mean, it feels it just feels early
to give somebody though, especially when you're pitching that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, maybe it's because I came up in a different era.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You and I came up in the air where you
had the Nolan Ryan's out there, and you know guys
who would throw until their arm fell off. They don't
do that anymore. But sixty seven pitches is not much.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It's not much in the framework of what you were
talking about as far as what baseball once was when
we were growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I understand the position that Bud.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Black is that when you look at starting pitching, you
got freelam us to Teller Feldner and her mom, Marquez
and then Austin Gomers on fifteen days, so you have
to be really particular with your starting pitching. Known as though,
one injury kind of derails everything.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
We saw.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That happened to the Rockies and several other teams who
had the framele like hey.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Listen, they think that they can make a.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Deep run in the playoffs, but injuries were one of
those things that durell those teams more or less.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The Rockies too as well.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So I think Budd Black did the right thing pulling
Kyle Frielan when he did. You saw what you needed
to see. You didn't really need to see anymore. But
you want to make sure that he stays healthy because
this is a long Major League Baseball season and you
don't want any of your starting pitching to get injured
early Rockies.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You've got to figure something out when you do pull
those guys. Sixty seven pitches, I mean, the average starting
pitcher in nineteen eighty eight was ninety six pitches.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's the average that was then. Seven pitches is wildly
short of that. In fact, last year in Major League
Baseball just started, it was.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Like eighty pitches. Twenty pitches short. Okay, oh now it's
also the first start of the year. Yes, it's the
first game that he had spring training. Come on, he's
throwing well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There was no reason to pull it on the guy
who knows exactly what that's like.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
There was no reason to pull him other than.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Pitch count him at Albright MLB on twist look exactly
as the guy who broke the Chris Bride's siding here,
And I did, but I.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Look, no, I hear you. But again, this is one
of those things where I forgot you gotta.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean, that's what you were there for as a manager,
to feel the ubs and flows in the gate except
that he felt incorrectly yanked the guy and put in
a picture clearly wasn't ready to throw and then and wait, wait,
come on.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We can't blame that on.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But but he did the right thing that he thought
making that call to pull feeling when he did.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He had sixty seven pitches, three of which were strikes.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Listen, it's not his fault. The reserve pitchers could not
hold down the fort.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Then he throwed fourteen balls. I will be honest, probably
could have given them the seventh, could have given them
the sevens. I've talked Grant into it. Come on, Nicko,
come join see you know what. See here's the thing, Grant.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
You can jump on that Benjamin all By boat if
you want to, let me pull the hole, put a
couple of holes in it and watch the scene with
them the boat. Okay, let's just say he decided to
let Kyle Freeland go into the deep in the in
the seventh inning, and all of a sudden, I don't know,
something happened with his arm, his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know what you'll be saying right now, brand happened anytime.
That's like saying that you need to pull the fenders.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And this is the first game of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like, you need to pull your quarterback in the
first game of the season because he.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Has, you know, get hurt. We've got six games hold
on to see that game right now, though, But Pat Mahomes,
he's got to come out.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And pull him out.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
That's a little different because you know, you're not getting
NFL quarterbacks thrown with that type of velocity consistently. So
let's just keep things in perspective. And also when we
grew up with as far as pitching was concerned, they had.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like a big bullpen, like like.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I remember being in college at ninety five with it
with Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
They go, do you know bullpens Now? They got more
pictures now because they have to because he's got to
only go up there and throw the ball seventy times
a game.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But what you know, what a boost this would have
been after the bullpen struggles last year if they could
have came out and held this game to two to
two and then you know you the Rockies somehow score
on the top of the tenth and win three to
two instead.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But the Rockies Rocky today, Man, Yeah, it was it
was a relief pitcher.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You felt there was a little bit there where you
felt like I and then they choked it away, not
unlike well, I know you're not talking about, not unlike
a certain basketball team.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Las Night.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So mad at hurt, and I knew, like I knew
before they even went over time. It was, I swear
to you it was when when Brazells shot up at
three points, I was.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like, Oh, no, they're gonna They're gonna lose this thing.
They really are.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think you pulled the thing away sixteen mo deficit,
and they just they just kept letting them chip away.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What a basketball game they had. They had effectively done
a really good job.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They're like, they let topic get his, but they'd effectively
shut down everybody else. And then all of a sudden
they just didn't and they let h the other two
kids get going, and that was and that was it.
It was just over at that point. And I'm just
sitting there like like watching this thing, and I'm like,
you could just feel it, you could just feel that
it was. It was absolutely slipping away from okay.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
So in the Rocky situation, you blame Bud Black for
pulling cal feeling too early.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So blowing this.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Sixteen point deficit against Texas Tech, whose fault is it?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, I don't know if fleeing you don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No, No, don'ts whose fault?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
They didn't pull a starting pitcher because it's basketball, so
it's not you know, this is like an apples to
alligators conversation. But I mean players not executing, the coach
not not call it time out and saying, hey, look
that the game plan. We're faltering here when you get
back to the game. But whoever you want to you want.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To put that on. I don't know that. I wasn't
in that bubble. I don't know. No, you're asking me.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
No, I'm asking you as a resident Arkansas raisor back fan.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If Steve Atwater was in here, I would ask him
the same question.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So I'm asking you who's fault because in these situations,
someone's got to take the brun of the play.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Frank Broyles, the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Former Arkansas athletic director that fired Nolan Richardson back in
the nineties for no reason, your faulted.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
If you were coach cow, would you have.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Called a time out after Texas Tech tookut two point
lead with like eight seconds stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, we're gonna we'renna call time out, we'renna draw something up.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
So let me let me ask you, Griham, because Ben
is unwilling to answer the question. He's dancing around the
answer like Fred ash Stare.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And Ginger Rogers. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So Grant, so you tell me, you know what the
example you just gave me in that time period, who
are you blaming? Who's the fault, Who's we're reporting to blame?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
The blame is not on coach cal Okay, players, those
players you got to lock up defensively. I mean that's
all it came down to. They had a huge lead,
what'd you say, sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
With like four minutes left. That comes down to want
to you just got to defend.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But at what point when you are watching that take
place as a coach, like you say, you call the
time out to settle your team down, to have them
the refocus.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Usually I like the Phil Jackson mentality he had with
the Bulls and the Lakers, where you know, you kind
of let your team play out of this slump or
this run by the other team, but in the sweet
sixteen of the March madness, you gotta stem the you
gotta stem the tide. You got to call a time
out when it gets down to six or seven points,
maybe even nine once it gets back to single digits,
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and say, hey, guys, we got to reset here. This
is this is getting a little too close for comfort.
And then you know, as it did, epic failure by
Arkansas and coach cow and the players he was in,
missing shots at.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
The wrong time, mister free throws at the wrong time,
down late, not getting rebounds, and careless, sloppy basketball, turning
the ball over down late. You gotta you gotta stay.
And another example that would be the Lakers game last night.
You want to talk about you about away. You know,
Giddy heard sweet sixteen and went off.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He thought something else.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
There's there's a few it'll get that joke for there's
a few people that get that joke.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I just made. But you know, I.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Just you know, there's there's uh yeah, when he's out
there singing, there's one court he plays too.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's also a minor.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
But hey, listen, that thing inside that game was so exciting.
But when I took away from that, not just Kobe
Wright White in what he was able to do, or
not even Josh Giddy.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It was just the fact of King.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
James himself kind of led to to close the second
Kids by Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Get that yeah, Act three, Yeah you had bad defense you.
It was just it was absolutely brutal watching that one too.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And then he had an opportunity to somewhat I guess,
just rub the shot from Josh Gitty, but he just
didn't do a great job and in his face with
a hand in his face, giddy up.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Did you see the picture afterwards where it had like
Lebron kind of contesting the shot and then Luca with
his back to the shot looking at the rim, and
it was just an epic Like if I was Josh
Giddy and not such a creep, I would.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Have that that frame that.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, that that was an epic game. And for me,
I like to see games like that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's why when we.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Were talking about the tournament, that's why I like when
you get down to the lead eight the Sweet sixteen,
because now you see the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, yeah, this was just I don't know if this
was the best of the best so much. It was
one team just choked away.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I had it. They absolutely had that game in the bag.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You were on cruise control at that point. That's all
you needed to do was be on cruise control.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
At that point.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You were sitting up there with eight minutes thirty seconds
left up sixty one forty eight. You had eight and
a half left milk suld. You should be going deep
into the clock and lobbed it inside.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You See, maybe that was the problem they were on
cruise control. To me, if you're up by sixteen, and
we see this in the NBA all the time, and
it's always, well, no lead is safe. Whatever you did
to get you to that sixteen point twenty two point lead,
you don't take your foot off the gas. You keep pressing,
you don't relax and play stall ball.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, the other part of this was they and this
was the part I just did not understand, is they
let the starters play a hilarious amount of minutes and
they didn't go to the bench hardly at all. I mean,
you had Braswill play thirty six, Knox played thirty six,
Davis and Wagoner he's played thirty nine minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I do play thirty four minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, they didn't even hardly use the e stat who
played twelve minutes in that game? But the Richmond only
played fifteen and you know, they brought zero in for
five five minutes in.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
One shot and that was it. He didn't look right though, Well,
I mean obviously, and that was the thing. Okay, that
part I get.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But what do you do with if you stayed for
twelve and you you're up, you're up thirteen sixteen points
for eight and a half to go.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Put you put the put the big year.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Old big man in there and let him alter shots,
or you know, let him let him rebound it, alter
shots and throw the lot of the ball into him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know how this works.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Some coaches have said in their ways, once they feel
as though something is going well and they're grooving in
one lane, they're not trying to deviate, they're not trying
to go to another pat Could Calipari have done that?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But calib Parti has said that happen to him before
he choked away the game. What was it when he
was it? Was it him at Memphis? I think it
was when he choked the game again against Kansas with
the free throw shooting.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
They couldn't, they couldn't. They kept going to line.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
His team couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
and he just kept he kept let those guys out
there to shoot.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Freezos and they were clearly rattled.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They were clearly not So this is like a This
is like a Calipari thing where you get down to
that point in the stretch and whatever it is that
your gut is telling you has shown you as a
failure before. Go counter if it had worked for you before,
change it up.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But this is why I say, in this particular situation,
there is fault, and you can figure out how you
want to divide it however you want to look at it.
But coaches players like, it's your job from a coaching
standpoint to put the right scheme and try to call
that time out when things.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Are not going well.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
But it is on you as players once once you're
on the court, someone's got to be the court general,
someone's got to be the leader, someone's got to say
something because the coach is on the sideline. I mean,
you can't be up by sixteen and then all of
a sudden squadder that lead because I'm thinking, what is
that plane ride like back to Hawkansas?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What is that like? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And that's the thing, I mean, it was they had
it and they broke faster than rick Lewis eating granola.
I don't know if you were out for that last night?
Really goes rick Lewis broke a tooth eating from granola?
What kind of wait, I'm sorry he lost and cute
eating granola eating renault?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, where do you granola from?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
He eats the Trader Joe's.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
He said he was, and he said, man, this, what's
so hard in this corola?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And he went and poured out of their mouth. It
was how do you not realize? What are your molars?
No longer? He was an incisor I don't know, you
know what?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, I said, I was gonna so one of the
du is alway get a cereal box made up of
like rick Lewis's extreme crunchy granola and have.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Like a picture of him on it, except it'll be
like ed helms from the hangover where he pulled the tooth,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have that to see
if we can get a marketing deal for that. Rick
lewis is extreme crunchy granola.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I just need to find out the name of the
granola he was eating, so I know not to buy that.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So I'm going to a Trader Joe's granola, So you
know nothing against Trader Joe's. I'm just saying I'm avoiding
their granola because I'd like to not need dentures in
my mid forties.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Five six six years.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I want to hear if you guys get a lot
of stuff to get to you. Mark Johnson's going to
join us next. We got to know well, becase I'm
thirty five. Of course, the NFL six pack. A little
bit later, Coach Prime agreed to a new deal. We'll
get to that. Uh see, you Buffs denied playing their
spring game with Syrahcuse we'll have the latest on all
that kind of stuff. We got a lot to get to.
We got a break right now. We'll we're back here
in just a few Rocos Country Night in Kaway.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Do you believe in that? Huh do you believe?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country, Tod I bend within Olbridan,
Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith here with you.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We're gonna right off to the kway comes from hotline though,
and bring all the voice of the Buffs and the
man who I admittedly have voice envy of every single
time I talk about it. Mark Johnson, Mark, how you
doing this evening?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Man? That could have gooda on with you guys. It's
kind of an exciting day in Boulder, Colorado, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Well? Bad?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Look at that you got the coach prime extension done,
so you had the ups and then you had the
lows in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
His words sort of leaked out.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
The NCAA was quashing what I thought was a great
idea and having a controlled scrimmage with Sarahcuse.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Let's start with that last part.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
First, what do you think of the NCUBLEA denying that
The reasoning they gave seemed fairly ludicrous to me, but
perhaps you have a different take on that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Well. For the first off, I was really excited about
that because remember I came from Syracuse here to Colorado,
so I've got connections on both sides, so I thought
it was fantastic. In fact, the announcers some Syracuse and
I've been going back and forth the last few days
been how cool that would have been. Secondly, in terms
of the nc double A, I didn't know the NCAA
said no to anything anymore because we're paying people millions now,
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So all of a sudden, this is a line, this
is a hill they're gonna die on. I mean, the
nc DOUBLEA has become such a joke, and for them
to step up in this circumstance go well, this is
too far. We can't be doing that just makes absolutely
no sense whatsoever. But you know, maybe from coach prime
standpoint and Fran Brown at Syracuse, maybe they were kind
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of laying the groundwork. I thought logistically would have been
tough to kind of get this thing turned around in
time for the spring game this year, But maybe they're
laying the groundwork for next year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Who knows, well, Mark, This is very confusing for me
because some of the reason the NCAA is citing why
they disagree with both coaches was the fact that it
is the spring and it may interfere with the kids' education,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
We see kids play road games during.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The regular season in football all the time, and I
also throw this out there with the college football playoffs expanding,
those kids are away from school. So why is the NCAA.
In your opinion, you think that they've probably taken the
stands on using the student athlete rule.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Next, think of this for a second, would go back
to when I was in Syracuse, I call the National
Championship with Carmelnecker with two thousand and three. I went
back after the tournament and look back instead of how
much we were on the road, I think we were
on the road thirty two out of thirty six days. Now,
now that's during the springtime of year, and so it's
a complete fallacy. I mean, that's just a joke to
(19:53):
make that kind of argument. Exactly right, what.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Would have it hurts for the Cues to fly.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Out here and spend a couple days in a practice field,
play a spring game. You're gone for about three and
a half four days. The fact that that's what they're
using their excuse as their excuse, it just kind of
shows the hypocrisy of this whole thing, because you know.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
In one side of your mouth they want.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
To keep the amateur aspect of it. The other side
of the mound they want to kind of keep the
academic aspect of it. Then, when they were paying players
millions of dollars.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
And during this NCAA tournament which we're.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
In the middle of right now, the teams that go
to the.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Final four are going to miss classes NonStop.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
For three weeks, and so there's no logic in that,
and that's just for something for them to default back to.
But like I just said, they're kind of losing their
teeth as time goes down here, and so maybe we'll
see this. I think it's a brilliant idea in the springtime,
kind of make sure that college football is front of
mind for a lot of people. The NFIL does a
great job of being a twelve month out of the
year topic. They're trying to do that with college football,
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and I think it's a junior's idea. With the coaches.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I agree talk with.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Mark Johnson, Voice of the Buffs, and yeah, I'm waiting
for a school to just the NCAA to say something
like is in a school to just look, I'm saying,
I no longer recognize the authority of the nc double
as patter. That's honestly, it feels like that's coming to
a head at some point, just given the ridiculousness I've
been a good news today though, coach prom se, you
agree to contract extension through twenty twenty nine to five
years fifty four million dollars, making more of the highest
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paid coaches in the NCAA.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Whatever you think.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Of coach Prime, he certainly has put Colorado on the
map as a football destination. Do we have any information
on the buyout on that and or leaving for the NFL.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah, I think in year one, from what I understand
and some of the details I've seen today, in the
twenty twenty five calendar year, I think it's a twelve
million dollars buyout, and then it starts to drop from
that point on. I could ten or eleven, I think
the following year, and by the time you get the
year three and four and it's see, it's four five
million dollars, and so there's a substantial buyout on the
front end. I've never thought that if Prime were to leave,
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it was going to be for another coaching job. I
think he loves Boulder. I did wonder when his sons
were done if if that may you know, if he
may decide to go and do something else, because he's
got so many different options out there.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I've always thought if you were to take off, because.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Of the magnitude of his personality, it'd be for Fox
Sports or ESPN and be on the pregame show, we're
doing something along those lines. So I love the fact
that got him locked in through twenty twenty. That one
got five seasons. Now they've gotten get locked in, and
now having this kind of financial and contractual security for
him is going to be an enormous boon when he's
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on a recruiting trail right now, because the last couple
of years, I think a lot of programs were using
that against him, Hey, you don't want to go to
Colorado because after Schdur and Shoda, we're gone, he's taken off.
Well that's proven to be wrong now, so this could
really benefit him. As good as the recruiting has been,
I think you can actually take a step up a
notre two.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know, there were a couple of coaches coming into
year one for Coach Prime who were a little testy
about all the branding, the TV deals and just kind
of the showcase of the program.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But with this deal.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Kind of cementing Prime with Boulder for about five years,
how does this reposition the program with in itself?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Well, Nick, you know the thing that's interesting about Pride
is as many feathers as he ruffled when he first
got here, he brought.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
A new way of thinking in a new.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Approach to college football. It really was an NFL mindset.
Now what are we seeing is we've gotten through the
curve of a couple of years here. Other programs are
doing the same thing you're seeing. NFL hires Oliver college Football,
bringing in general managers. I think this once again.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Has kind of cements that idea that he's.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Really on the cutting edge of things. I'm told Youavan
Am my dealings with him, I've never ceased to be
amazed with how attentive and perceptive he is about what
he's involved in and how we can make it better.
His mind is always thinking in that way. He's done.
He said things to me during some of the show
as a during commercial break, Hey, why can't we do this?
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Or how do we try that kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
He's always thinking in that regard, And so it's, you know,
just what we're just talking about, this spring game idea
with Syracuse. I mean, this guy has got a phenomenal
forward view that he's pushing the envelope all the time.
So I think with this kind of security now within
this program locking him down for the next five season,
I think it really puts Colum out of in a
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really unique and very positive position at college football.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Tyler mar Johnson, Voice of the Buffs.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, I think that what he's brought to the
table is almost the same thing that Pete Carroll did
all the way back at USC when he resurrected a
nascent USC program with six and sixty his first year.
But you know, kind of brought that NFL mentality, kind
of made it a fun thing, made it a cultural destination.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And you know, I think that's the one thing everybody's.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Trying to say, well, hey, coach Prime's out there doing
this and doing that. I'm like, well, wait a minute,
this blueprint has.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Sort of been tried before and it was wildly effective.
It was Pete Carroll that did it.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, I think you could make those parallels. You know,
what Pete established and what he did through that stretch
when he was in Los Angeles. I think Prime's taking
that and now and taking a handoff and run it
further down the field. I mean with what he's doing
from a marketing and the social media things that he's doing,
and you know, documentaries and all the different things that
he's got his fingers in the fact that you can't
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watch a college foot game right now and really most
other sporting events without seeing Prime over the place. I
was walking through King Super's the other day and you know.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
There's Prime in the front of my cart selling omens.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
For goodness sakes. I mean, you can't escape him right now.
He's an ever present personality in college football, and that's
that's only good for Colorado. But but he's taking this
whole NFL concept and really I think expanded it at
the college level, and I'm kind of excited to see
what he's you know, what he's thinking next.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, I know what Coach Prime is thinking next, because
I know NIL is a whole big thing around college football,
and I wonder how much of this deal for five
years had a lot to do with NIL and increasing
that pool and that war chess for Coach Prime.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Well, and that's an interesting, I think aspect of college
football right now because what the House rule has got
coming down on July first, you know, E school's going
to have roughly twenty one million dollars are going to
utilize for their athletic department for paying student athletes. What
does NIL play in that, right because right now what
we have is not NIL, it's paid for play at
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this point, so the collectives. Some schools have gotten rid
of the collectives, some schools have not gotten rid of
the collectives. I think moving forward that we still don't
have a handle on what this system looks like. You know,
people keep talking about an NFL model, which are in
some respects from a payment standpoint. It's nothing like the
NFL right now. It's totally the wild wild West. And
by the way, just to quick aside, if you want
to see something interesting from this this house rule and
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what this is going to do, keep an eye on
Big East basketball moving forward. Twenty one million dollars in
athletic department without football, that they can take the line
share and apply to basketball. That's going to make an.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Enormous impact on what we're seeing.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
This time here in the NCAA tournament. Because I've been
told with a couple of my buddies in the SEC
that said that that reality is kind of hit in
the SEC and the Big Ten and they're like, wait
a minute, can't we can't allow this to happen. Well,
it's happening, and it's going to be what's happening. That's
the thing about college athletics right now. I'm not even
sure how to predict anything, because it's so ever changing
and ever moving and ever evolving at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That is Mark. We all always appreciate you taking the
time to join us. Uh, went too quick. I got
some questions for you.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Next time, already in the back of my mind about
this nil stuff we're at the time now.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Appreciate you jumping on.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I look forwards to you guys.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank you absolutely. Yeah, you got a leader against the leader. Yeah,
I go.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Oh, looking back to a Broncos Country tonight, Benjamin all
Brightday first, and thanks to Mark Johnson for joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Uh, you missed any port of that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Grant's gonna have that up soon over Broncos Country at
that Costelation podcast. Uh, We've got uh Neil Welk's gonna
join us in the next hour talk a little bit
more about this puff stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
One thing I want to I want to hit on
with you guys real quick. Something I talked to our
boss Dave Teper about the other day. We're talking about
nil money and how the.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Portal these days forty percent of people who hit the
portal don't find another job, right, Uh, And the amount
of money that people are paying high school athlete to
looking for scholarships, but they can't get them because right
now people are still working to the portal first is
that's the way that this stuff goes now. And I
laid out a premise that sooner or later, the n
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Cuba Tournament is going to turn into a salary cap tournament. Right,
He's not gonna be the haves and have nots and
the winners of this, that and the other. You're basically
gonna have to turn the n c double A, the
n I T and whatever that tournament is that cus
in that I can't remember the name, college basketball Crown,
that one that they'll be on next week.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You can listen right here on KAA six and you
know they gave crowns for third place tournaments, but who knows.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Look, pretty soon you're gonna have to have salary cap
type tournaments. The spending threshold is capped. If you want
to win the n I T or the what is
it called the college basketball holloween basketball Crown, college basketball
cash call, Yeah, the uh, the NBC you're gonna have
You're going to have to have tiered layers and.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's gonna be the same thing at football, because.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You're either gonna have to you gonna have to start
putting salary caps on what people can spend, or you're
going to have to have thresholds for tournaments and playoff games,
because there's just no equitable way to be able to
determine that stuff anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
At some point to get there, ben but not at
the very beginning because all this with the nios, this
is kind of fresh and new to college football or
college athletics. And when you think about what you are
suggesting schools who are have a great and massive alumni
base with deep pockets, it's gonna be hard to tell
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those individuals they can't contribute to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
The collective or the alma model.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Like can you imagine telling that oil money down there
with Steve.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Sarkisian in Texas?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Oh no, I'm sorry, we got to cap it at
two hundred and thirty million dollars?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, no, no. Why do we have to
put a cap on what we can raise.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
When you come from a school that your alumni don't
have deep pockets, they're gonna fight that all the way
and I would too, because if my program can raise
more money than you, then for me so bid. It's
no different than what we're seeing in Major League Baseball,
where teams would how you pay roll.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But we're seeing that now.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I mean even Dick Mofford's coming out with it, you know, saying, hey,
you know what, we need a salary cap because it's
just not possible for the Kansas City Royals to compete
with it with the New York Yankes. They're a farm team,
these mid market teams and these lower tiers spending teams.
They're farm teams for the Dodgers and the Yankees and
the Red Sox well, and that's how it is in
college basketball now.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
But they're all the mid major schools farm teams for the.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
SEC and the bank. I saw this great tweet the
other day.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
It said, if you're wondering why all the small Cinderella
schools aren't still playing this weekend in the sweet sixteen,
they are, and it goes on to show a list.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm trying. I've been trying to say, this's like Steph.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Curry would not have taken Davidson, he would be playing
somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Okay, so bought Okay, So if you're going to change
the rules and grant what you're saying is absolutely true
on that tweet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So what this is?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What you do?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You kind of put it into someone of.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The bylaws, right almost like with the NFL, if you're
trading for a guy, you got to give me some conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Even in the.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
NFL, there are compensatory picks. If your player goes to
another team and he plays eighty percent of the time
and he balls out, you get a third round pick.
So if you're one of these major teams and some
of your three of your players, your center and your
starting point guards go to Kentucky and Kentucky makes a
deep run, there's some.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Conversation to you. But what what that compensation look like?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, I think the idea in my head immediately
when you brought this up was whatever you are paying
them an nil will pay you the school double to
take them.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So it was basically you're buying out a guy's projected contract.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I'm with that because now that gives that team that
school more money, I'll go get someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That's where I think we're headed these with these things.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, they laughed at me when with.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
In the NIL right before the NL was geting a
proved when it was starting to steamroll, it was going
to get approved in the next two years, and they
laughed at me when I said, somedayquarterback is going to
you know, players are going to have to start making
decisions about whether or not they want to stay in
school for the money.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And we're already seeing that. Carson Beck
Cameron Mizsner is batting and driving and ending the game
first pitch swinging on a fastball, Cameron Mizzner with a
walk off homer. The Rockies walked off the Rays at
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the home opener in Denver last year. The Rays answer back.
Final score here in Tampa Tampa Bay three, Colorado two.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Cameron Friggin Missner call me Cameron Fragrant.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Miserable as the Rockies lose a heartbreaking fashion in the opener,
a walk off in the bottom of the ninth, Cameron
Missner three hundred and sixty seven feet to deep right,
and you could hear it from the crack of a bat,
in the sound of Jack's voice. The disappointment level the Rockies.
Pretty good game overall for a opener. It wasn't like
you're getting blown out or anything. I had seven hits
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on the day. They did score the two runs. Freeland
went six innings, no runs, no earned runs, seven strikeouts.
But then you had, you know, Kiley come in give
up to two runs, and then Vodnik, you know, come
in and give up a thing in the night. And
the story of the Colorado Rockies and the bullpen not
being able to hold leads starts off again and what
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we hope is not a harbinger for a season to come.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Hopefully it's not. And I know this is opening day
for the Rockies. Obviously next week will be I guess
opening day for them home opener, home opener. But for me,
there's some great things that I take away from this game.
You start off talking about Kyle Freeland. We had an
opportunity that yesterday when I was on a Sports too
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to talk to Black about the pitch and what he
might be able to do. And Cayle Freeland, as you said,
he went out and he had a great day. And
usually what.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Happens with the Rockies, they.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Got to find a way to figure this out because
certain games last season, the pitching was there, the bats
were not. And then when the bats are there, the
pitching you're not there. So they got to find a
way to kind of cohes with him, get everything together.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But Kyle had a great day.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Seven K's picked six innings, which is great for him,
and you expect when you pitch like that, you expect.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To win the ball game.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But like you said, when it comes back to the Rockies,
it always goes back to relieve pitching, and the seventh
inning just fell apart for them.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, just completely fell apart. And I'm rooting for Bud Black.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm rooting for the Rockies, but I'm mostly rooting for
Kyle Freeland because remember open the day last last year,
sixteen to one against Arizona.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ye certain certainly improvement on that.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Freeland, you know, there was some controversy about whether or
not he should have been left in because he was
pitching well, he only throwing sixty seven pitches at that point,
certainly had allowed much struck out seven, only allowed two hits,
didn't walk anybody, and there was there was some controversy
about whether or not they should have even gone to
Tyler Kinley at that point, who came in and in
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one third of the inning gave up three hits and
of course the two runs while walking a batter as well,
didn't get a strikeout at all.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And it's just one.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Of those things where you look at this and you say,
you know, could it would have, should have.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But if you're you know, if you're Bud Black, sixty.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Seven pitches, I mean, it feels it just feels early
to give somebody though, especially when you're pitching that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, maybe it's because I came up in a different era.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You and I came up in the air where you
had the Nolan Ryan's out there, and you know guys
who would throw until their arm fell off. They don't
do that anymore. But sixty seven pitches is not much.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It's not much in the framework of what you were
talking about as far as what baseball once was when
we were growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I understand the position that Bud.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Black is that when you look at starting pitching, you
got freelam us to Teller Feldner and her mom, Marquez
and then Austin Gomers on fifteen days, so you have
to be really particular with your starting pitching. Known as though,
one injury kind of derails everything.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
We saw.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That happened to the Rockies and several other teams who
had the framele like hey.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Listen, they think that they can make a.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Deep run in the playoffs, but injuries were one of
those things that durell those teams more or less.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The Rockies too as well.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So I think Budd Black did the right thing pulling
Kyle Frielan when he did. You saw what you needed
to see. You didn't really need to see anymore. But
you want to make sure that he stays healthy because
this is a long Major League Baseball season and you
don't want any of your starting pitching to get injured
early Rockies.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You've got to figure something out when you do pull
those guys. Sixty seven pitches, I mean, the average starting
pitcher in nineteen eighty eight was ninety six pitches.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's the average that was then. Seven pitches is wildly
short of that. In fact, last year in Major League
Baseball just started, it was.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Like eighty pitches. Twenty pitches short. Okay, oh now it's
also the first start of the year. Yes, it's the
first game that he had spring training. Come on, he's
throwing well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There was no reason to pull it on the guy
who knows exactly what that's like.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
There was no reason to pull him other than.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Pitch count him at Albright MLB on twist look exactly
as the guy who broke the Chris Bride's siding here,
And I did, but I.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Look, no, I hear you. But again, this is one
of those things where I forgot you gotta.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean, that's what you were there for as a manager,
to feel the ubs and flows in the gate except
that he felt incorrectly yanked the guy and put in
a picture clearly wasn't ready to throw and then and wait, wait,
come on.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We can't blame that on.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But but he did the right thing that he thought
making that call to pull feeling when he did.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He had sixty seven pitches, three of which were strikes.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Listen, it's not his fault. The reserve pitchers could not
hold down the fort.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Then he throwed fourteen balls. I will be honest, probably
could have given them the seventh, could have given them
the sevens. I've talked Grant into it. Come on, Nicko,
come join see you know what. See here's the thing, Grant.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
You can jump on that Benjamin all By boat if
you want to, let me pull the hole, put a
couple of holes in it and watch the scene with
them the boat. Okay, let's just say he decided to
let Kyle Freeland go into the deep in the in
the seventh inning, and all of a sudden, I don't know,
something happened with his arm, his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know what you'll be saying right now, brand happened anytime.
That's like saying that you need to pull the fenders.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And this is the first game of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like, you need to pull your quarterback in the
first game of the season because he.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Has, you know, get hurt. We've got six games hold
on to see that game right now, though, But Pat Mahomes,
he's got to come out.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And pull him out.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
That's a little different because you know, you're not getting
NFL quarterbacks thrown with that type of velocity consistently. So
let's just keep things in perspective. And also when we
grew up with as far as pitching was concerned, they had.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like a big bullpen, like like.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I remember being in college at ninety five with it
with Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
They go, do you know bullpens Now? They got more
pictures now because they have to because he's got to
only go up there and throw the ball seventy times
a game.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But what you know, what a boost this would have
been after the bullpen struggles last year if they could
have came out and held this game to two to
two and then you know you the Rockies somehow score
on the top of the tenth and win three to
two instead.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But the Rockies Rocky today, Man, Yeah, it was it
was a relief pitcher.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You felt there was a little bit there where you
felt like I and then they choked it away, not
unlike well, I know you're not talking about, not unlike
a certain basketball team.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Las Night.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So mad at hurt, and I knew, like I knew
before they even went over time. It was, I swear
to you it was when when Brazells shot up at
three points, I was.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like, Oh, no, they're gonna They're gonna lose this thing.
They really are.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think you pulled the thing away sixteen mo deficit,
and they just they just kept letting them chip away.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What a basketball game they had. They had effectively done
a really good job.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They're like, they let topic get his, but they'd effectively
shut down everybody else. And then all of a sudden
they just didn't and they let h the other two
kids get going, and that was and that was it.
It was just over at that point. And I'm just
sitting there like like watching this thing, and I'm like,
you could just feel it, you could just feel that
it was. It was absolutely slipping away from okay.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
So in the Rocky situation, you blame Bud Black for
pulling cal feeling too early.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So blowing this.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Sixteen point deficit against Texas Tech, whose fault is it?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, I don't know if fleeing you don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No, No, don'ts whose fault?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
They didn't pull a starting pitcher because it's basketball, so
it's not you know, this is like an apples to
alligators conversation. But I mean players not executing, the coach
not not call it time out and saying, hey, look
that the game plan. We're faltering here when you get
back to the game. But whoever you want to you want.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To put that on. I don't know that. I wasn't
in that bubble. I don't know. No, you're asking me.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
No, I'm asking you as a resident Arkansas raisor back fan.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If Steve Atwater was in here, I would ask him
the same question.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So I'm asking you who's fault because in these situations,
someone's got to take the brun of the play.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Frank Broyles, the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Former Arkansas athletic director that fired Nolan Richardson back in
the nineties for no reason, your faulted.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
If you were coach cow, would you have.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Called a time out after Texas Tech tookut two point
lead with like eight seconds stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, we're gonna we'renna call time out, we'renna draw something up.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
So let me let me ask you, Griham, because Ben
is unwilling to answer the question. He's dancing around the
answer like Fred ash Stare.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And Ginger Rogers. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So Grant, so you tell me, you know what the
example you just gave me in that time period, who
are you blaming? Who's the fault, Who's we're reporting to blame?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
The blame is not on coach cal Okay, players, those
players you got to lock up defensively. I mean that's
all it came down to. They had a huge lead,
what'd you say, sixteen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
With like four minutes left. That comes down to want
to you just got to defend.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But at what point when you are watching that take
place as a coach, like you say, you call the
time out to settle your team down, to have them
the refocus.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Usually I like the Phil Jackson mentality he had with
the Bulls and the Lakers, where you know, you kind
of let your team play out of this slump or
this run by the other team, but in the sweet
sixteen of the March madness, you gotta stem the you
gotta stem the tide. You got to call a time
out when it gets down to six or seven points,
maybe even nine once it gets back to single digits,
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and say, hey, guys, we got to reset here. This
is this is getting a little too close for comfort.
And then you know, as it did, epic failure by
Arkansas and coach cow and the players he was in,
missing shots at.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
The wrong time, mister free throws at the wrong time,
down late, not getting rebounds, and careless, sloppy basketball, turning
the ball over down late. You gotta you gotta stay.
And another example that would be the Lakers game last night.
You want to talk about you about away. You know,
Giddy heard sweet sixteen and went off.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He thought something else.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
There's there's a few it'll get that joke for there's
a few people that get that joke.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I just made. But you know, I.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Just you know, there's there's uh yeah, when he's out
there singing, there's one court he plays too.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's also a minor.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
But hey, listen, that thing inside that game was so exciting.
But when I took away from that, not just Kobe
Wright White in what he was able to do, or
not even Josh Giddy.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It was just the fact of King.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
James himself kind of led to to close the second
Kids by Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Get that yeah, Act three, Yeah you had bad defense you.
It was just it was absolutely brutal watching that one too.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And then he had an opportunity to somewhat I guess,
just rub the shot from Josh Gitty, but he just
didn't do a great job and in his face with
a hand in his face, giddy up.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Did you see the picture afterwards where it had like
Lebron kind of contesting the shot and then Luca with
his back to the shot looking at the rim, and
it was just an epic Like if I was Josh
Giddy and not such a creep, I would.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Have that that frame that.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, that that was an epic game. And for me,
I like to see games like that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's why when we.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Were talking about the tournament, that's why I like when
you get down to the lead eight the Sweet sixteen,
because now you see the best of the best.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, yeah, this was just I don't know if this
was the best of the best so much. It was
one team just choked away.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I had it. They absolutely had that game in the bag.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You were on cruise control at that point. That's all
you needed to do was be on cruise control.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
At that point.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You were sitting up there with eight minutes thirty seconds
left up sixty one forty eight. You had eight and
a half left milk suld. You should be going deep
into the clock and lobbed it inside.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You See, maybe that was the problem they were on
cruise control. To me, if you're up by sixteen, and
we see this in the NBA all the time, and
it's always, well, no lead is safe. Whatever you did
to get you to that sixteen point twenty two point lead,
you don't take your foot off the gas. You keep pressing,
you don't relax and play stall ball.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, the other part of this was they and this
was the part I just did not understand, is they
let the starters play a hilarious amount of minutes and
they didn't go to the bench hardly at all. I mean,
you had Braswill play thirty six, Knox played thirty six,
Davis and Wagoner he's played thirty nine minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I do play thirty four minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, they didn't even hardly use the e stat who
played twelve minutes in that game? But the Richmond only
played fifteen and you know, they brought zero in for
five five minutes in.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
One shot and that was it. He didn't look right though, Well,
I mean obviously, and that was the thing. Okay, that
part I get.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But what do you do with if you stayed for
twelve and you you're up, you're up thirteen sixteen points
for eight and a half to go.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Put you put the put the big year.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Old big man in there and let him alter shots,
or you know, let him let him rebound it, alter
shots and throw the lot of the ball into him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know how this works.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Some coaches have said in their ways, once they feel
as though something is going well and they're grooving in
one lane, they're not trying to deviate, they're not trying
to go to another pat Could Calipari have done that?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But calib Parti has said that happen to him before
he choked away the game. What was it when he
was it? Was it him at Memphis? I think it
was when he choked the game again against Kansas with
the free throw shooting.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
They couldn't, they couldn't. They kept going to line.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
His team couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
and he just kept he kept let those guys out
there to shoot.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Freezos and they were clearly rattled.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They were clearly not So this is like a This
is like a Calipari thing where you get down to
that point in the stretch and whatever it is that
your gut is telling you has shown you as a
failure before. Go counter if it had worked for you before,
change it up.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But this is why I say, in this particular situation,
there is fault, and you can figure out how you
want to divide it however you want to look at it.
But coaches players like, it's your job from a coaching
standpoint to put the right scheme and try to call
that time out when things.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Are not going well.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
But it is on you as players once once you're
on the court, someone's got to be the court general,
someone's got to be the leader, someone's got to say
something because the coach is on the sideline. I mean,
you can't be up by sixteen and then all of
a sudden squadder that lead because I'm thinking, what is
that plane ride like back to Hawkansas?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What is that like? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And that's the thing, I mean, it was they had
it and they broke faster than rick Lewis eating granola.
I don't know if you were out for that last night?
Really goes rick Lewis broke a tooth eating from granola?
What kind of wait, I'm sorry he lost and cute
eating granola eating renault?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, where do you granola from?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
He eats the Trader Joe's.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
He said he was, and he said, man, this, what's
so hard in this corola?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And he went and poured out of their mouth. It
was how do you not realize? What are your molars?
No longer? He was an incisor I don't know, you
know what?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, I said, I was gonna so one of the
du is alway get a cereal box made up of
like rick Lewis's extreme crunchy granola and have.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Like a picture of him on it, except it'll be
like ed helms from the hangover where he pulled the tooth,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have that to see
if we can get a marketing deal for that. Rick
lewis is extreme crunchy granola.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I just need to find out the name of the
granola he was eating, so I know not to buy that.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So I'm going to a Trader Joe's granola, So you
know nothing against Trader Joe's. I'm just saying I'm avoiding
their granola because I'd like to not need dentures in
my mid forties.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Five six six years.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I want to hear if you guys get a lot
of stuff to get to you. Mark Johnson's going to
join us next. We got to know well, becase I'm
thirty five. Of course, the NFL six pack. A little
bit later, Coach Prime agreed to a new deal. We'll
get to that. Uh see, you Buffs denied playing their
spring game with Syrahcuse we'll have the latest on all
that kind of stuff. We got a lot to get to.
We got a break right now. We'll we're back here
in just a few Rocos Country Night in Kaway.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Do you believe in that? Huh do you believe?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country, Tod I bend within Olbridan,
Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith here with you.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We're gonna right off to the kway comes from hotline though,
and bring all the voice of the Buffs and the
man who I admittedly have voice envy of every single
time I talk about it. Mark Johnson, Mark, how you
doing this evening?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Man? That could have gooda on with you guys. It's
kind of an exciting day in Boulder, Colorado, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Well? Bad?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Look at that you got the coach prime extension done,
so you had the ups and then you had the
lows in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
His words sort of leaked out.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
The NCAA was quashing what I thought was a great
idea and having a controlled scrimmage with Sarahcuse.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Let's start with that last part.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
First, what do you think of the NCUBLEA denying that
The reasoning they gave seemed fairly ludicrous to me, but
perhaps you have a different take on that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Well. For the first off, I was really excited about
that because remember I came from Syracuse here to Colorado,
so I've got connections on both sides, so I thought
it was fantastic. In fact, the announcers some Syracuse and
I've been going back and forth the last few days
been how cool that would have been. Secondly, in terms
of the nc double A, I didn't know the NCAA
said no to anything anymore because we're paying people millions now,
(18:30):
So all of a sudden, this is a line, this
is a hill they're gonna die on. I mean, the
nc DOUBLEA has become such a joke, and for them
to step up in this circumstance go well, this is
too far. We can't be doing that just makes absolutely
no sense whatsoever. But you know, maybe from coach prime
standpoint and Fran Brown at Syracuse, maybe they were kind
(18:50):
of laying the groundwork. I thought logistically would have been
tough to kind of get this thing turned around in
time for the spring game this year, But maybe they're
laying the groundwork for next year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Who knows, well, Mark, This is very confusing for me
because some of the reason the NCAA is citing why
they disagree with both coaches was the fact that it
is the spring and it may interfere with the kids' education,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
We see kids play road games during.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The regular season in football all the time, and I
also throw this out there with the college football playoffs expanding,
those kids are away from school. So why is the NCAA.
In your opinion, you think that they've probably taken the
stands on using the student athlete rule.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Next, think of this for a second, would go back
to when I was in Syracuse, I call the National
Championship with Carmelnecker with two thousand and three. I went
back after the tournament and look back instead of how
much we were on the road, I think we were
on the road thirty two out of thirty six days. Now,
now that's during the springtime of year, and so it's
a complete fallacy. I mean, that's just a joke to
(19:53):
make that kind of argument. Exactly right, what.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Would have it hurts for the Cues to fly.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Out here and spend a couple days in a practice field,
play a spring game. You're gone for about three and
a half four days. The fact that that's what they're
using their excuse as their excuse, it just kind of
shows the hypocrisy of this whole thing, because you know.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
In one side of your mouth they want.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
To keep the amateur aspect of it. The other side
of the mound they want to kind of keep the
academic aspect of it. Then, when they were paying players
millions of dollars.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
And during this NCAA tournament which we're.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
In the middle of right now, the teams that go
to the.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Final four are going to miss classes NonStop.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
For three weeks, and so there's no logic in that,
and that's just for something for them to default back to.
But like I just said, they're kind of losing their
teeth as time goes down here, and so maybe we'll
see this. I think it's a brilliant idea in the springtime,
kind of make sure that college football is front of
mind for a lot of people. The NFIL does a
great job of being a twelve month out of the
year topic. They're trying to do that with college football,
(20:49):
and I think it's a junior's idea. With the coaches.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I agree talk with.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Mark Johnson, Voice of the Buffs, and yeah, I'm waiting
for a school to just the NCAA to say something
like is in a school to just look, I'm saying,
I no longer recognize the authority of the nc double
as patter. That's honestly, it feels like that's coming to
a head at some point, just given the ridiculousness I've
been a good news today though, coach prom se, you
agree to contract extension through twenty twenty nine to five
years fifty four million dollars, making more of the highest
(21:15):
paid coaches in the NCAA.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Whatever you think.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Of coach Prime, he certainly has put Colorado on the
map as a football destination. Do we have any information
on the buyout on that and or leaving for the NFL.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah, I think in year one, from what I understand
and some of the details I've seen today, in the
twenty twenty five calendar year, I think it's a twelve
million dollars buyout, and then it starts to drop from
that point on. I could ten or eleven, I think
the following year, and by the time you get the
year three and four and it's see, it's four five
million dollars, and so there's a substantial buyout on the
front end. I've never thought that if Prime were to leave,
(21:48):
it was going to be for another coaching job. I
think he loves Boulder. I did wonder when his sons
were done if if that may you know, if he
may decide to go and do something else, because he's
got so many different options out there.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I've always thought if you were to take off, because.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Of the magnitude of his personality, it'd be for Fox
Sports or ESPN and be on the pregame show, we're
doing something along those lines. So I love the fact
that got him locked in through twenty twenty. That one
got five seasons. Now they've gotten get locked in, and
now having this kind of financial and contractual security for
him is going to be an enormous boon when he's
(22:23):
on a recruiting trail right now, because the last couple
of years, I think a lot of programs were using
that against him, Hey, you don't want to go to
Colorado because after Schdur and Shoda, we're gone, he's taken off.
Well that's proven to be wrong now, so this could
really benefit him. As good as the recruiting has been,
I think you can actually take a step up a
notre two.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know, there were a couple of coaches coming into
year one for Coach Prime who were a little testy
about all the branding, the TV deals and just kind
of the showcase of the program.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But with this deal.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Kind of cementing Prime with Boulder for about five years,
how does this reposition the program with in itself?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Well, Nick, you know the thing that's interesting about Pride
is as many feathers as he ruffled when he first
got here, he brought.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
A new way of thinking in a new.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Approach to college football. It really was an NFL mindset.
Now what are we seeing is we've gotten through the
curve of a couple of years here. Other programs are
doing the same thing you're seeing. NFL hires Oliver college Football,
bringing in general managers. I think this once again.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Has kind of cements that idea that he's.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Really on the cutting edge of things. I'm told Youavan
Am my dealings with him, I've never ceased to be
amazed with how attentive and perceptive he is about what
he's involved in and how we can make it better.
His mind is always thinking in that way. He's done.
He said things to me during some of the show
as a during commercial break, Hey, why can't we do this?
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Or how do we try that kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
He's always thinking in that regard, And so it's, you know,
just what we're just talking about, this spring game idea
with Syracuse. I mean, this guy has got a phenomenal
forward view that he's pushing the envelope all the time.
So I think with this kind of security now within
this program locking him down for the next five season,
I think it really puts Colum out of in a
(24:07):
really unique and very positive position at college football.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Tyler mar Johnson, Voice of the Buffs.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, I think that what he's brought to the
table is almost the same thing that Pete Carroll did
all the way back at USC when he resurrected a
nascent USC program with six and sixty his first year.
But you know, kind of brought that NFL mentality, kind
of made it a fun thing, made it a cultural destination.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And you know, I think that's the one thing everybody's.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Trying to say, well, hey, coach Prime's out there doing
this and doing that. I'm like, well, wait a minute,
this blueprint has.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Sort of been tried before and it was wildly effective.
It was Pete Carroll that did it.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, I think you could make those parallels. You know,
what Pete established and what he did through that stretch
when he was in Los Angeles. I think Prime's taking
that and now and taking a handoff and run it
further down the field. I mean with what he's doing
from a marketing and the social media things that he's doing,
and you know, documentaries and all the different things that
he's got his fingers in the fact that you can't
(24:59):
watch a college foot game right now and really most
other sporting events without seeing Prime over the place. I
was walking through King Super's the other day and you know.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
There's Prime in the front of my cart selling omens.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
For goodness sakes. I mean, you can't escape him right now.
He's an ever present personality in college football, and that's
that's only good for Colorado. But but he's taking this
whole NFL concept and really I think expanded it at
the college level, and I'm kind of excited to see
what he's you know, what he's thinking next.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, I know what Coach Prime is thinking next, because
I know NIL is a whole big thing around college football,
and I wonder how much of this deal for five
years had a lot to do with NIL and increasing
that pool and that war chess for Coach Prime.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Well, and that's an interesting, I think aspect of college
football right now because what the House rule has got
coming down on July first, you know, E school's going
to have roughly twenty one million dollars are going to
utilize for their athletic department for paying student athletes. What
does NIL play in that, right because right now what
we have is not NIL, it's paid for play at
(26:00):
this point, so the collectives. Some schools have gotten rid
of the collectives, some schools have not gotten rid of
the collectives. I think moving forward that we still don't
have a handle on what this system looks like. You know,
people keep talking about an NFL model, which are in
some respects from a payment standpoint. It's nothing like the
NFL right now. It's totally the wild wild West. And
by the way, just to quick aside, if you want
to see something interesting from this this house rule and
(26:23):
what this is going to do, keep an eye on
Big East basketball moving forward. Twenty one million dollars in
athletic department without football, that they can take the line
share and apply to basketball. That's going to make an.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Enormous impact on what we're seeing.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
This time here in the NCAA tournament. Because I've been
told with a couple of my buddies in the SEC
that said that that reality is kind of hit in
the SEC and the Big Ten and they're like, wait
a minute, can't we can't allow this to happen. Well,
it's happening, and it's going to be what's happening. That's
the thing about college athletics right now. I'm not even
sure how to predict anything, because it's so ever changing
and ever moving and ever evolving at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That is Mark. We all always appreciate you taking the
time to join us. Uh, went too quick. I got
some questions for you.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Next time, already in the back of my mind about
this nil stuff we're at the time now.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Appreciate you jumping on.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I look forwards to you guys.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank you absolutely. Yeah, you got a leader against the leader. Yeah,
I go.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Oh, looking back to a Broncos Country tonight, Benjamin all
Brightday first, and thanks to Mark Johnson for joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Uh, you missed any port of that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Grant's gonna have that up soon over Broncos Country at
that Costelation podcast. Uh, We've got uh Neil Welk's gonna
join us in the next hour talk a little bit
more about this puff stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
One thing I want to I want to hit on
with you guys real quick. Something I talked to our
boss Dave Teper about the other day. We're talking about
nil money and how the.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Portal these days forty percent of people who hit the
portal don't find another job, right, Uh, And the amount
of money that people are paying high school athlete to
looking for scholarships, but they can't get them because right
now people are still working to the portal first is
that's the way that this stuff goes now. And I
laid out a premise that sooner or later, the n
(28:08):
Cuba Tournament is going to turn into a salary cap tournament. Right,
He's not gonna be the haves and have nots and
the winners of this, that and the other. You're basically
gonna have to turn the n c double A, the
n I T and whatever that tournament is that cus
in that I can't remember the name, college basketball Crown,
that one that they'll be on next week.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You can listen right here on KAA six and you
know they gave crowns for third place tournaments, but who knows.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Look, pretty soon you're gonna have to have salary cap
type tournaments. The spending threshold is capped. If you want
to win the n I T or the what is
it called the college basketball holloween basketball Crown, college basketball
cash call, Yeah, the uh, the NBC you're gonna have
You're going to have to have tiered layers and.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's gonna be the same thing at football, because.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You're either gonna have to you gonna have to start
putting salary caps on what people can spend, or you're
going to have to have thresholds for tournaments and playoff games,
because there's just no equitable way to be able to
determine that stuff anymore.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
At some point to get there, ben but not at
the very beginning because all this with the nios, this
is kind of fresh and new to college football or
college athletics. And when you think about what you are
suggesting schools who are have a great and massive alumni
base with deep pockets, it's gonna be hard to tell
(29:30):
those individuals they can't contribute to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
The collective or the alma model.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Like can you imagine telling that oil money down there
with Steve.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Sarkisian in Texas?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Oh no, I'm sorry, we got to cap it at
two hundred and thirty million dollars?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, no, no. Why do we have to
put a cap on what we can raise.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
When you come from a school that your alumni don't
have deep pockets, they're gonna fight that all the way
and I would too, because if my program can raise
more money than you, then for me so bid. It's
no different than what we're seeing in Major League Baseball,
where teams would how you pay roll.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But we're seeing that now.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I mean even Dick Mofford's coming out with it, you know, saying, hey,
you know what, we need a salary cap because it's
just not possible for the Kansas City Royals to compete
with it with the New York Yankes. They're a farm team,
these mid market teams and these lower tiers spending teams.
They're farm teams for the Dodgers and the Yankees and
the Red Sox well, and that's how it is in
college basketball now.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
But they're all the mid major schools farm teams for the.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
SEC and the bank. I saw this great tweet the
other day.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
It said, if you're wondering why all the small Cinderella
schools aren't still playing this weekend in the sweet sixteen,
they are, and it goes on to show a list.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm trying. I've been trying to say, this's like Steph.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Curry would not have taken Davidson, he would be playing
somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Okay, so bought Okay, So if you're going to change
the rules and grant what you're saying is absolutely true
on that tweet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So what this is?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What you do?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You kind of put it into someone of.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The bylaws, right almost like with the NFL, if you're
trading for a guy, you got to give me some conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Even in the.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
NFL, there are compensatory picks. If your player goes to
another team and he plays eighty percent of the time
and he balls out, you get a third round pick.
So if you're one of these major teams and some
of your three of your players, your center and your
starting point guards go to Kentucky and Kentucky makes a
deep run, there's some.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Conversation to you. But what what that compensation look like?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, I think the idea in my head immediately
when you brought this up was whatever you are paying
them an nil will pay you the school double to
take them.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So it was basically you're buying out a guy's projected contract.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I'm with that because now that gives that team that
school more money, I'll go get someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That's where I think we're headed these with these things.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, they laughed at me when with.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
In the NIL right before the NL was geting a
proved when it was starting to steamroll, it was going
to get approved in the next two years, and they
laughed at me when I said, somedayquarterback is going to
you know, players are going to have to start making
decisions about whether or not they want to stay in
school for the money.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And we're already seeing that. Carson Beck
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