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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Somebody messed something up over there. No, oh, okay, you
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just had the wipes out, didn't know. I'm just trying
to be I'm just trying to make money on the earth.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I know you know that I have the wipes out
every time. I'm like wiping the keyboard, the mouse. I'm
just trying to be half clueling this around here. That's all.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Not that I think that Dave Logan is absolutely just
a hotbed of you know.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Horrible dis but disinfecting. We really think that it was
just finally letting it out. Not at all.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Grants me back there behind the glass five six six
nine zeros text, I make shore tonight, Ryan Michael gonna
join us seven O five only, Bean seven thirty five.
Got the wide receiver big board. You and I gonna
rank our top ten wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That'll be fun. Grant you gonna get it on that action. Nope,
there we got men. I listen to the experts. Sounds
like a plan. There you go. We'll let me know
when they arrive.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, one of them arrived about thirty seconds before we
came on here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They're right, and we still need a second expert to
do all that. But I'll give mine anyway. March madness
comes to it and tonight and look, I'm not one
of these people to sit there and talk about my bracket,
but I'm absolutely going to sit here and tell you
that I nailed this thing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Can't nobody talk anything to me ever again. All of
you can suck it and uh yeah, go Florida tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Why are you breaking? You breaking your arm?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Patting myself on the back. Yeah, I have, That's what's
what happened. Actually've got a little light injury here. It's
called patter's elbow.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean, do you do that same thing when I
don't know you're wrong? Do you bring that up?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, one of these days whenever I the first time
turn out to be wrong, I'll have to find out.
One time I thought I was wrong, turned I was
mistaken five six six nine zero text line.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Uh No, we do have Florida and Houston tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Though I was talking smack with Dave Temper over the
weekend while we were winning Station of the Year, congratulations
everybody at KAA.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dave was at or headed to the awards ceremony for
that and was texting.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Me like Florida didn't want it. These guys are soft. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
As I just fired that text message over to the
Florida locker room, boom, theaters turned it around.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Whatever, man, whatever, what's wrong with you today? Nick? I mean,
I knew I was going to come in and hear
Ben just kind of glowed. Uh, the game hasn't taken
place yet, true? Uh so who knows or Houston in
this one? No, like in all my bracket and time
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when we first started and Grant say, well, fill out
this bracket, even though I really don't fill out one.
I did have Houston at this particular point. There we go.
But but it wasn't against Florida, right, But but I
like how Houston plays, and I know over the weekend,
obviously everyone wants to do game, and everyone was up
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in arms on social media saying that that how could
the official called in that particular moment over the back
on Cooper flag.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Because he was over the back exactly, it was clear.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But but look, it was so bad that Bill Simmons
I had to tweet at it. I'm like, no, what
are you watching? I mean, first of all, it was
just say, well, the game was blown on that particular
call by the officials. Let's just say it was a
blown call by the official. It should have never gotten
to that point. Yeah, you can't. You can't blow a
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fifteen point lead with.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
One missed call, even if you know, right, that's that's
you know, that's the first time Bill Simmons waved a
white flag.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes, but I'm rooting for Houston tonight. Uh, not just
because I want you to just kind of eat humble Pie,
but because they have been one of the top teams
in the country all season long.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You show that mess where kim Elija Wan couldn't get
on the court.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I saw that. I was like, what's the game? What
are you doing? You can't recognize the dream That's what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That security guard out You're here and pulling nick cannon
and couldn't pull out anything.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And then you turn around and but the bad part
about it does someone there standing right there saying, yo,
do you know who this is? And a security guard
is still like waving his Matumbo finger.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, no, yes, m I thought he was gonna give
him dream shake right there around him out of the court.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well how do you do that? You know what that's like?
Some security guard at impol Field not allowing to come out. Yeah,
it was yeah, absolute. I got these security protocols and
you don't have a badge. I can't, man if you
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don't get shown.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I would have just put a hand if I was
a keem Now I'm me so I'm not big enough
to do this. But if I was a chem I'll
just put a hand in that guy's face and just
moved him out of the way. See what's he gonna do?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Jail? See. I'm glad that he didn't do the vijimin
allbright because you can't really put your hand on someone
like that because now it's assault and then everyone saw it.
So I'm glad he didn't do anything outside and on.
But but how ridiculous is it that the guy I.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Mean, I mean mister one of the most synonymous places
like him and Clyde Drexler from five Slama Jama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's it was frustrated, but it was those were good games.
And to be.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Fair, like like I said, we're talking with Temper because
I had Houston and Florida picked and it points in
those games it certainly looked like it was going the
other direction and both for both of them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The crazy part is that there was very little time
in that Houston Duke game, and it seemed as though
Duke was going to pull it off, and it was like,
there's no way Houston is going to mount a comeback
in this short period of time to even tie it,
let alone take the lead. And it just seems though
Duke in Cooper flag, they just collapsed down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Houston lad six to five and then didn't lead again
until they were up sixty eight to sixty seven at
the end of the game. All Duke the entire game.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was an epic collapse. Oh So when you think
about it, and this was one of those topics that
was sost out, it was perceived that it wasn't the
fact that Houston won the game, it was that Duke
lost the game. So where did you ling Was it
Duke losing or Houston inserting their defense and dialing up
the temperature and just taking the game.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well it's both, but I mean it's Houston won the game.
Duke also lost simultaneously lost that thing. It wasn't like
Duke was putting on their best showdown in the stretch
where they needed to win it. They they collapsed and
Houston took advantage and won the game.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, they did what they needed to do, and it
feels like, you know, Houston finally remembered who they were.
You know, they give up like fifty eight points a
game this year and Duke for a majority of that
game was getting the shots that they wanted and they
just locked down that last no field goals for Duke
in the last ten and a half.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Minutes of the game. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's why you do have to put part of the
blame on Duke because you got to find a way
to put the ball on the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, I'm not going to put part of it on them, grant,
I'm gonna play guits, all of it, all of it,
Like how do you not score in that length of time?
Like like how bad are you ased for as running
your sets, passing the ball? And it's just like, once again,
credit to Houston because they turned up the dial to
cook at three seventy five.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Defensively, that offensive performance was worse than a Benson boone outfit.
And for those of you watching the premiere, oh my god,
so much great, these horrible things that he's done.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
See I was going to say I wasn't gonna say it,
but since Ben just brought it up, I was gonna say, Boom,
looks a light like vision or bright himself. Absolutely not
mustache hair.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
See you know what, much more athletic than Ben front
flips back flips, which, by.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The way, do we have to do cartwheels or something
for Ross's deal?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like, what's going on? I will not be doing a
cartwheel and that many Connell and nail wan. Yeah, it's
like if Maddy could do one and Grant could do one.
I don't know. I wasn't gonna take your participation for granted.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean, I'm sure I could do a cart I'm
sure you haven't done one and a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I'm going to try one during one of the breaks,
and I'm going to film it. Somebody gotta film it.
Six six nine zeros text line. You and I got
out to see Pro Day on Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It was a lot of fun. We got we got
some audio from that. Still left to go.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We uh we didn't even get to on Friday a
couple of interviews to get to from that. Uh well
we'll we'll we get Uh. We got chid stuck for
raand Carthon.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That was great. Uh, yeah, we were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We walked in the locker room all right to watch
some of the the weightlifting, and one of the most
recognizable human beings on the planet comes up and grabs
Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I'd like to introduce myself. I'm George Wilson.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like what, and obviously Rad Carthon and you're not mistaking
Rad Carson for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, that was this. It looks like Da should Knight
at this point with the como, you know. That was
Rand just being uh funny and Lucy goosey. And that's
one thing I love about him and our time in
San Francisco. That was the type of person he was inside.
And now obviously when it came down to the business
of football, he was just one percent dial d in.
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But he I mean, he knew how to have a
good time. He knew how to break the tension definitely
in the room. And that was kind of the first
time I've seen Ran since his senior in Tennessee. So
it was great seeing him, and it was so many
different people that I saw on Friday. It was it
was definitely amazing. Al Skovenchkin's the all time lead.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You scorer in the NHL at one hundred ninety five goals,
passing Wayne Gretzky. Do we care about this one at all? Like,
I'm not a hockey dude. I turned it. I turned
in for a couple of seconds to see this.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No one ever thought that record? Yes, what has been
talking about? Do we care about it? I mean one
of the best of all time? Yes, he breaks a
grex Sky record. I mean, look, I'm not gonna sit
here and pretend like I'm a hockey savant. But they
say records are meant to broken, and who thought that
that record would be broken? Not I How about you,
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gret Did you think that record was going to be broken?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I don't know exactly, but Gretzky's record of all time
points probably will never be broken. Very true because he's
got like twenty five hundred or something and it was
the same number of games. Yeah, that's a cool part
that it took Gretzky to get that, which was fast.
A fun little stat about that it was twenty years
to the day that the Capitol has won the draft
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lottery to get the number one pick to Pickovechkin. Twenty
years to the day he breaks Gretzky's record.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
One players that always played for the same team over
his over his career, that it rarely happens. I mean,
obviously played for that one Moscow, but we're not cutting
that NHL team.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm just not a hockey guy. Like I feel like
they chance the Rapper sketch like from SNEL. I feel
like that's literally me to talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You don't have to be an avid fan of that
particular sport or any sport when something like this that's
history making actually takes place. It's just from a thirty
thousand foot view look at and say, well, that's one
hell of accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh, I'm all for that. Like, it's not that I
I asked if we collectively care.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment at all. Like, yeah,
I just didn't know. If there's anything else to discuss,
B and I collectively care.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think everyone should care. That's a sports fan like
next day, not even just a hockey fan.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
This is amazing. That's a major is something that will
not happen again. What is the football equivalent Tom Brady's
touched down?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You see I think that could get broken. No, Malmes, No,
I say not. I mean, for me, it's Tom's number
of super bowls. Yeah, that's probably a number of super bowls. Yeah,
but that's a team, like it doesn't make a difference.
You're part of it, Veskan, someone was feeding him the pup, right,
So that's an assist. So if if a quarterback is
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throwing to a wide receiver rescores, that's an assistant football.
All right, I'll allow it. This time it's been.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I don't know, it feels like it feels to
me like Mahomes has got a got a decent beat
on that.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean maybe not, just depends on the like that
makes amount of time in place. He'd have to play
fifteen more years with averaging about thirty touchdowns a year.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't think that's impossible. I don't think he's gonna
want to play that long. Maybe that part.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, did you see that article of the weekend
where he thought about quitting.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Back in high school. No, yeah, he was gonna quit
football back in high school. And goodness for the problem.
Somebody's machine. We gotta get back.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah a picture dad, you know it was uh yeah,
there were several there was there's some some great funny
some really funny uh tweets on some of that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh with with that?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And then uh then Nicola Jokic, you know, we got
to teach this guy. You gotta get this guy a
horse racing even earlier in life. Get it to goby on,
you know which. You know, speaking of the Nuggets, you
lose two over the weekend, you've dropped four straight.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was already last week.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I was already hit the panic button talking about that
we need to like start looking at this Malone thing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And everybody was looking at me sideways. Have we reevaluated
that yet? No? See you now you sound like Ryan Edwards.
And I know he's probably pulled over to the side
of the road and wondering why am I throwing shade
on him? But that's how he sounded last week when
the Nuggets were playing the Timberwolves. And I know the
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Timberwolves are different because they're built to play against the
Denver Nuggets. But for me, there's no panic. I told,
you know, Devin Tepper when I was coming up the elevator,
that this is a team that's going to compete. Will
they win a title this year. I don't see it
because there's a lot of things that are suddenly missing
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and the chemistry right, the chemistry doesn't seem to be there.
And the biggest issue that the Nuggets are having now
is the same issue they had three years ago. It's defensive.
Like coming into a Sunday's game, both the Nuggets and
the Pacers, we all knew that they both can score
points at a high level. The thing that they both
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struggle with, guess what is defense? And the Nuggets kind
of coming into like this past three games, four games
where they had to slide, they were one of the
better teams and the NBA is far as scoring scoring
is scoring gone down, and then as far as first
half teams, they're one of the worst as far as
the points they give up.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
My question though, is when it comes down to this
kind of stuff, because we're at a point where we
know what this Nuggets team is and it is either
the person shopping for the ingredients, so the person baking
the cake at this point, which one do you think
is responsible as well or no?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
In your opinion, who's the shopper and who's bacon?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, the shopper is Calvin Booth. Okay, Michael Malone is bacon,
all right. So so either so the guy's shopping and
getting the wrong ingredients or the guy baking the cake
is messing up the ingredients you got.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The guy baking the cake isn't messing up the greediest.
So there you go, that get it? Which leads right
to it. If you asked me to bake a chocolate
cake and you give me lemon flour, water, and oil,
well guess what you got a lemon cake now, And
it may taste bad and sour, And that's what these
last four games have been for Nuggets fans, really sour.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well that that's the point I'm getting at it. There
has to be You've got to make some changes after
this season.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So what happens when they go on a run make
it to the NBA Finals, if.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That happens, not where they're at right now. No, it's
not the need they need to come to Jesus because
that that does not look like something's happening.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
After this four game slide, they are a half game.
They're still in fourth place, but they're like a half
game from the playoff, half game from playing in the
playing game. That's crazy if they slide, because I was
adamantly against your thoughts on Michael Malone and Calvin Booth
last week. But if they somehow slide to the playing
game and lose and are out of the playoffs after that,
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I could see some changes being made.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I still think it'd be the wrong decision. And if
they got rid of Michael Malone changes, who oh wow,
you have to make a choice. I think it's Calvin Booth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, And I tend to lean that way too, as
much as I I believe they've reached their limit.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
With Michael Malone. But at this point, at this point.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Because the shopping for the groceries has not been up
to bar, you let Casey p go, you let Brown go,
and what if you brought back in you know, you
got some young guys at Mario sor Yeah, So at
this point, I'm like, all right, Like, even though I
think both of them have plenty of like we could
talk about this kind of moments, I think it's more
egregious that Calvin Booth has wasted the prime of Nikola
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Jokic by not putting the right pieces around you that
you continued to need for a champion.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Last week, I brought this question up to you guys,
and you guys seem like so totally against it. I said,
what we saw in Memphis where Memphis fired their head
coach after bringing forcing him to get rid of his
staff and bring in people they want running an offense
that doesn't fit jaw, and then he gets fired. And
I asked the question, you can't see a situation where
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that happens here, endeavor and the idea was like, no, well, Gus,
what fellas you might be on the precipice subject It
might be honest telling us questions.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't think that the Nuggets are ever going to
fire a coach mid season, So that's that portion.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, not firing a coach mid season, but making someone
of a drastic chase. So if you are the cronky's right,
you got the guy who's shopping and the guy who's bacon.
Which guy, if he came down to it, which guy
you're getting rid.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Of the shopper At this point, I think you have
to be if you're cutting, if you're picking one, you
got to get rid of the shopper, right if there's
a case to be made forget rid of both.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But I woa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. There's a case
to be made for getting rid of both. Make it,
make you for them alone. Make it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
This team is having late game brain farts. Like you
look at Russ Westbrook the other day. This team is
melting down down the stretch. Now you had them on
a winning, a consistent winning clip earlier in the season.
Why are they not winning now You've had the same
ingredients the whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, I'm not going to blame that on him, Just
like when I look at the Rockies and how poorly
that they're performing. See it is they work in concert
together players and coaches, and you could decide, well it's
fifty fifty to fifty or seventy thirty whatever. But in
this case, like even with Bud Black, it's not on
Bud Black. It's a lot of it is on the players.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Right, Yeah, it's pitching, I mean managing in baseball though
is not I mean it's not like football, or I
mean basketball is not even like football, but it's somewhere
in between. Her The impact of the manager in baseball
is significantly lower than the impact of the head coach
in foot You know, those kinds of it you're managing
a lineup card.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But yeah, but both in football and basketball, you put
players in position to run plays for success. Right, It
is not your not on you as a coach. If
your quarterback missed the throw, the wide receiver can't get
up your crust. No, that's fair right you on the
down screen, guess what God turns the ball of. Like
Nicola Yolks was throwing an alley to MPJ, it just
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hit the rim. It was like almost like Phillip Simour Hoffman,
you know, white chocolate. Yes, let me rest that's that's
what it was like. Because they were not even on
the same page. So I just I'm the players on
the court, and I'm normally not to fire the coach
guy and in this particular case, but I think you
have to do a performance review here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I don't know that you necessarily have to fire him alone,
but you got to make objectives clear at this point
because it sort of feels like they've topped out with this. Now,
does that mean if you get rid of Booth, are
you blowing the lineup up to or you get rid
of it, you get rid of murray and order and
or porter? You know what do you what are you
doing because you gotta you do need to make some changes.
Why don't we talk about that on the other side
of Rockles Country Night back up for this talking about
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the Denver Nuggets for with the break, talking about what
we would do if this thing continues to implode down
the stretch here, and I think we're all in agreement.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That if somebody's got to go, Calvin Booth has got to.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Be the first one that you you kind of look at.
But then when you're looking the roster around nikol Jokic,
you probably got two more years of prime n kohl
Jokic before it starts to fade, and you've got to
wonder how long he's gonna want to play at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So what do you do? Do you do?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You stay the course with these three max contracts that
aren't you know, tool of them aren't delivered on No,
you don't even if.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The Nuggets decide that they're not going to get rid
of Calvin Booth at all. I think the next way
you look at the situation as you think, okay, well
who can we move on the roster and what type
of value do those guys actually have? So your first
thought is, well, you got two guys in a max deal,
that's jam All and MPJ. So those two guys, who
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would you want to move now? And thinking about that,
what are you moving them for? That's that's the thing
that's important. What if you're moving guys off the roster,
who do you want to bring in? Then? Also too,
what's the length of time of that of that deal?
Do you will you to trade Jamal Murray for a
guy that just say he may have two years on
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his contract this guy you bring in, or you may
bring in a guy who you may have to give
a new deal right away. So these are all the
things they got to kind of think about, but they
have to do something because you were right ben the
window for Nikola Jokich it doesn't expand every day, every game,
it gets smaller. So you got to figure out something.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, and that's the thing I think before you determine
who you want to bring in, and you need to
determine what you want to bring in.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What does this team need to succeed?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You need a gritty guy off the bench who could
play defense and hit threes.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you're going to if you're gonna move on from
Porter and Murray, you have to replace that production.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Too, But I think that you want something that's a
little more stable at the three. The question is what
are you doing at the one because if you're moving
Jamal and his combo guardability, right, what are you getting
back in that too? Because that has been a part
of when the Nuggets worth their best the two man game.
This is between Murray and Yolkch. That hasn't been It
hasn't been the same lay, but when they were at
their best, that was a large part of what they did.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Very true. So there's so many different ways to look
at this. For me, the first player I would look
to move would be MPJ. Whatever I can get for him,
I'll try to move him. I don't want to disrupt
the chemistry of Nikola Jokisch and Jamal Murray, even though
I would like to see a little more aggression and
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a little more defensive prowess from Jamal, But what he
can do offensively, to me, I like that aspect of it.
So you move MPJ, that you work on rebuilding your
bench with that at least you have a chance. You
have somewhat of an opportunity because the bench hasn't been
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that great in the past. Couple of years. Because once
you think about what coach Malone has done in the past,
once and I get to get to the playoffs, he
only goes so deep into his bench, right, and if
you're not a guy that he's feel confident about, well
you're not gonna get a lot of run. Like Pickett
is getting a lot of run now at the one
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with Jamal being out, and I'm just he's not making
us forget about Jamal. But he stepped in and he's been,
you know, pretty decent in that particular role. So now
if you have to look at the bench, you say, okay,
well you need to back up one. You need a center,
not just a guy who just happens to be tall
and he can do you know, live. You need a
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guy who can score points, who can get you buckets
in that second on that second unit. Right now, you
don't really have that. And you've had Zignagy on the
roster for how many years. Yes, he's got some time,
he's shown as though he had flashes, but it's not enough.
And that's what the problem with the Nuggets. The Nuggets
don't really have a lot of those guys on the
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bench that you could say that can give you quality minutes.
And this is how you burn out in theo Kola Jokic,
because how long are you going to keep him on
the bench before you have to put him back in right?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And that's sort of the problem. So then what do
you get out to fill in for a Michael Porter Junior?
I think, what do you get? What do you go
out there and look for to try to bring in in?
Moving off of that, well, for me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
The first the first thing I would go with this
down the road and look at the pad that Michael
Malone comes from. I need someone who could defend. Now
you can say, well, the person you bring in, they
may not be a person that can give you buckets
at a high volume, but you know what, defensively they
can get it back because they can guard the opposite
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team's best player. Like right now you have Aaron Gordon,
he is your defensive specialist. Outside of him, who else
do you have?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well that's the question, because like the people that I
would go out and get right now are try to
move Porter on and try to get in would be
a hodgepodge of people.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I try to bring it more than one.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm trying to go get maybe like a bench player
from Sacramento like Kean Ellis, who you know is a sniper,
can play a little bit of D but he's really
more of a two than a three at six to six,
doesn't rebound all that well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So now I need rebounding.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, what am I going out there to do to
get rebounding in that particular situation?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Am I moving off from Jamal Murray?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
What am I trying to get at the point, right,
who you're going to get that can play that game?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Because the only guy I.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Can think of right now that plays that the same
would be like Peyton Prichard, and I don't even know
what he's available for me.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
With all due respect to Peyton Pritchard, he is not
a Jamal Murray.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well I'm not say but I'm trying to play a
similar play a game that can fill that role.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, and they're not saying Pritchard is going to replace Jamal.
You need someone else on the bench, like when Jamal
is out, Now you insert.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That person, Well, what about the kid from Creighton that's
one G League rookie of the Year for the Nuggets,
Trey Alexander I averaged twenty six points a game five rebounds,
five assists. I mean, that's a dude that could impact
the team next year and he wouldn't have to even
move anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm for that, but I still think Grant. Even with
that being said, you still need to get better defensively. See,
the Nuggets defensive strategy is to outscore the opponents. And
what happens when you face another team like the Pacers
that can score. And I know some want to scream
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at me, well, Jamal didn't play in the game. Well,
I tell you what, even when Jamal in the game,
defensive being able to defend defensively, that's still an issue
for the Denver Nuggets period. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Well, I mean, it'd be nice to bring back a
guy like Bruce Brown that if you.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Could bring him back, But what's the salary cost there?
I'm just looking.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm like, I'm trying to think there's a hodgepodge of
names that I would bring it if they were if
all things were being equal, you know, and you were
able to get these guys, you know, I would bring
in Pritchard, I bring in Kean Ellis.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I would, I would, I might have.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I wanted them to make a move this off season
to bring himuddy heel, but you know he's as inconsistent
as Porter is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But this is where to two philosophies inside the Nuggets
organization don't match up. Booth wants younger players. Malone wants
experienced veteran players who can play now.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
But that's that's that's always gonna be the general manager,
the d of any sport he's gonna want. The general
manager is always going to want the pipeline being flooded with
young talents so that I'm good and I'm cheap.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, the coach is always.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Gonna want guys that execute now, because if they don't,
he gonna lose his job.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, for me, it's if you're able to get veteran
guys who know how to lead, who know how to play,
and then it's in combination with a couple of young
guys at certain spots. You can make that work because
the young guys are learning from the veteran guys, and
once the veteran guys are done one or two years now,
those guys roll right into those positions. But if you
have like you call a hodgepodge of guys you know who,
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they can't master any skill set, but they can do this,
and they can do that. That makes it really difficult
for you if you coach Malone, Like, could you imagine
coaching the Denver Nuggets knowing as though you are a
defensive minded coach, knowing as though you got a three
time MVP and the cool of Jokic, But guess what,
You're not getting the defensive consistency that you want. It'll
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drive you crazy. And the Wonder this hair is gray. No,
Wonder's hair is great.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm just trying to think, like names that are Bruce
Brown's won you know. I wonder if Cleveland would let
DeAndre Hunter go No, you know, I'm just trying to
come up with names that would fit with what you do,
that would fill in some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Look, man, a lot of fans don't like this, but
I'm not saying go out and do this. At one
point I said yes, but maybe not at this stage.
But you wanted a guy like a Boogiey Cousins, right,
guys with a little edge to him. See the Nuggets
right now don't have edge. When I watched the game,
uh yesterday, I mean I didn't really see the you know,
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ball arena get really excited, but it wasn't a lot
of enthusiasm. There was a lot of those plays. Now,
I will say this though, I will say this, Christian Brown,
that dude came through. He is playing as he was
playing as he came through. He did.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That draft coming up getting closer. You obviously out there
at the SU's Pro day, and I don't know, did
you see that? You guys see this stuff. It's just hilarious. Uh, Nick,
and saw because you said it to me, this hilarious
tweet which has somehow gone viral, saying that this was
a terrible workout because Schenor Sanders pats the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I did see that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
First of all, the guy who put the tweet out
is not employe. He does not work in this industry.
He's just some guy, like a random guy, has never
worked for anybody, is not involved in football, doesn't work
for any team. It's never worked for any team. It's
just some dude on Twitter, that's it. And he's saying
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all this and I'm like, first of all, man, it
wasn't that bad with the you know, like you're exaggerating
the ball padding thing here.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The other part of this, he's like, I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Don't know if you know this, but when you're playing quarterback,
usually behind guys that are bigger than you, they call
it an offensive line and it is.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
You could probably speak to this more than I can,
because you were the one looking for it. I can't
imagine a dB seeing me pat the ball behind those
big fellas.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there was a bunch of uh bs out there.
And you know, I'm not the type of guy that
call people out by name, so I'm not going to
expose anyone in that regard. But there was a lot
of chatter over the workout and and for me, I
was right behind Shador like like two people to my right.
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It was Broncos head coach Sean Payte. I was kind
of taking the knee trying to film and you were
not too far away from me when this was taking place.
And as a dB, no, no, no, you can't really
see that. And usually it said, well you can see
the quarterback. Ohs, no, you can't. I mean, like, come on,
you can't exactly. So that is something that's been said
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in the world of coaching and his coach speak, because
the only thing you can see is a guy's head
direction of his head. You really can't see his his eyes.
But in this case, you won't be able to pick
those types of passes off. And it sounds great being
able to say it. But for me, I thought Shador
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had a great workout and it was all about going
out showing some of the things that he displayed during
the season. And he didn't do any of the other testing,
any of those other things. If it's just like he
needs to come out and he needs to throw, and
he was only throwing, you know, for his guys. He
wasn't throwing for him. He was throwing for his guys.
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Because at the end of the day, if you are
talent evaluated, this is my opinion. Ben, you go back
and watch the tape. That's your DNA, right, you go back.
You always go back and watch the tape. You look
at the workouts to see if there are certain things
that you can pick out in a workout that you
don't like or you do like. Well, evaluators will always
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go back to the tape to kind of reinforce what
they think either pro or con And that's what you
should do, go back to you know.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Anyway, I thought the work that was fine. Is he
Josh Allen velocity? No, But you know, I mean, he's
the same guy I always thought he was, you know,
compared him to Gino or Teddy Bridgewater, those kind of guys.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And we can get more into that here a look,
we got Roamy Be and we come back.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I just thought that was a ridiculous tweet and I
wanted to get that out there. Rollan Be when we
come back. I'm sorry, Ryan and Michael, when we come back.
Right here, Ruckus Country Night.
Somebody messed something up over there. No, oh, okay, you
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just had the wipes out, didn't know. I'm just trying
to be I'm just trying to make money on the earth.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I know you know that I have the wipes out
every time. I'm like wiping the keyboard, the mouse. I'm
just trying to be half clueling this around here. That's all.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Not that I think that Dave Logan is absolutely just
a hotbed of you know.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Horrible dis but disinfecting. We really think that it was
just finally letting it out. Not at all.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Grants me back there behind the glass five six six
nine zeros text, I make shore tonight, Ryan Michael gonna
join us seven O five only, Bean seven thirty five.
Got the wide receiver big board. You and I gonna
rank our top ten wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That'll be fun. Grant you gonna get it on that action. Nope,
there we got men. I listen to the experts. Sounds
like a plan. There you go. We'll let me know
when they arrive.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, one of them arrived about thirty seconds before we
came on here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They're right, and we still need a second expert to
do all that. But I'll give mine anyway. March madness
comes to it and tonight and look, I'm not one
of these people to sit there and talk about my bracket,
but I'm absolutely going to sit here and tell you
that I nailed this thing.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Can't nobody talk anything to me ever again. All of
you can suck it and uh yeah, go Florida tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Why are you breaking? You breaking your arm?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Patting myself on the back. Yeah, I have, That's what's
what happened. Actually've got a little light injury here. It's
called patter's elbow.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean, do you do that same thing when I
don't know you're wrong? Do you bring that up?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, one of these days whenever I the first time
turn out to be wrong, I'll have to find out.
One time I thought I was wrong, turned I was
mistaken five six six nine zero text line.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Uh No, we do have Florida and Houston tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Though I was talking smack with Dave Temper over the
weekend while we were winning Station of the Year, congratulations
everybody at KAA.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dave was at or headed to the awards ceremony for
that and was texting.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Me like Florida didn't want it. These guys are soft. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
As I just fired that text message over to the
Florida locker room, boom, theaters turned it around.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Whatever, man, whatever, what's wrong with you today? Nick? I mean,
I knew I was going to come in and hear
Ben just kind of glowed. Uh, the game hasn't taken
place yet, true? Uh so who knows or Houston in
this one? No, like in all my bracket and time
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when we first started and Grant say, well, fill out
this bracket, even though I really don't fill out one.
I did have Houston at this particular point. There we go.
But but it wasn't against Florida, right, But but I
like how Houston plays, and I know over the weekend,
obviously everyone wants to do game, and everyone was up
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in arms on social media saying that that how could
the official called in that particular moment over the back
on Cooper flag.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Because he was over the back exactly, it was clear.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But but look, it was so bad that Bill Simmons
I had to tweet at it. I'm like, no, what
are you watching? I mean, first of all, it was
just say, well, the game was blown on that particular
call by the officials. Let's just say it was a
blown call by the official. It should have never gotten
to that point. Yeah, you can't. You can't blow a
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fifteen point lead with.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
One missed call, even if you know, right, that's that's
you know, that's the first time Bill Simmons waved a
white flag.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes, but I'm rooting for Houston tonight. Uh, not just
because I want you to just kind of eat humble Pie,
but because they have been one of the top teams
in the country all season long.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You show that mess where kim Elija Wan couldn't get
on the court.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I saw that. I was like, what's the game? What
are you doing? You can't recognize the dream That's what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That security guard out You're here and pulling nick cannon
and couldn't pull out anything.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And then you turn around and but the bad part
about it does someone there standing right there saying, yo,
do you know who this is? And a security guard
is still like waving his Matumbo finger.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, no, yes, m I thought he was gonna give
him dream shake right there around him out of the court.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well how do you do that? You know what that's like?
Some security guard at impol Field not allowing to come out. Yeah,
it was yeah, absolute. I got these security protocols and
you don't have a badge. I can't, man if you
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don't get shown.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I would have just put a hand if I was
a keem Now I'm me so I'm not big enough
to do this. But if I was a chem I'll
just put a hand in that guy's face and just
moved him out of the way. See what's he gonna do?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Jail? See. I'm glad that he didn't do the vijimin
allbright because you can't really put your hand on someone
like that because now it's assault and then everyone saw it.
So I'm glad he didn't do anything outside and on.
But but how ridiculous is it that the guy I.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Mean, I mean mister one of the most synonymous places
like him and Clyde Drexler from five Slama Jama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's it was frustrated, but it was those were good games.
And to be.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Fair, like like I said, we're talking with Temper because
I had Houston and Florida picked and it points in
those games it certainly looked like it was going the
other direction and both for both of them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The crazy part is that there was very little time
in that Houston Duke game, and it seemed as though
Duke was going to pull it off, and it was like,
there's no way Houston is going to mount a comeback
in this short period of time to even tie it,
let alone take the lead. And it just seems though
Duke in Cooper flag, they just collapsed down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Houston lad six to five and then didn't lead again
until they were up sixty eight to sixty seven at
the end of the game. All Duke the entire game.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was an epic collapse. Oh So when you think
about it, and this was one of those topics that
was sost out, it was perceived that it wasn't the
fact that Houston won the game, it was that Duke
lost the game. So where did you ling Was it
Duke losing or Houston inserting their defense and dialing up
the temperature and just taking the game.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well it's both, but I mean it's Houston won the game.
Duke also lost simultaneously lost that thing. It wasn't like
Duke was putting on their best showdown in the stretch
where they needed to win it. They they collapsed and
Houston took advantage and won the game.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, they did what they needed to do, and it
feels like, you know, Houston finally remembered who they were.
You know, they give up like fifty eight points a
game this year and Duke for a majority of that
game was getting the shots that they wanted and they
just locked down that last no field goals for Duke
in the last ten and a half.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Minutes of the game. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's why you do have to put part of the
blame on Duke because you got to find a way
to put the ball on the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, I'm not going to put part of it on them, grant,
I'm gonna play guits, all of it, all of it,
Like how do you not score in that length of time?
Like like how bad are you ased for as running
your sets, passing the ball? And it's just like, once again,
credit to Houston because they turned up the dial to
cook at three seventy five.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Defensively, that offensive performance was worse than a Benson boone outfit.
And for those of you watching the premiere, oh my god,
so much great, these horrible things that he's done.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
See I was going to say I wasn't gonna say it,
but since Ben just brought it up, I was gonna say, Boom,
looks a light like vision or bright himself. Absolutely not
mustache hair.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
See you know what, much more athletic than Ben front
flips back flips, which, by.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The way, do we have to do cartwheels or something
for Ross's deal?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like, what's going on? I will not be doing a
cartwheel and that many Connell and nail wan. Yeah, it's
like if Maddy could do one and Grant could do one.
I don't know. I wasn't gonna take your participation for granted.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean, I'm sure I could do a cart I'm
sure you haven't done one and a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I'm going to try one during one of the breaks,
and I'm going to film it. Somebody gotta film it.
Six six nine zeros text line. You and I got
out to see Pro Day on Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It was a lot of fun. We got we got
some audio from that. Still left to go.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We uh we didn't even get to on Friday a
couple of interviews to get to from that. Uh well
we'll we'll we get Uh. We got chid stuck for
raand Carthon.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That was great. Uh, yeah, we were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We walked in the locker room all right to watch
some of the the weightlifting, and one of the most
recognizable human beings on the planet comes up and grabs
Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I'd like to introduce myself. I'm George Wilson.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like what, and obviously Rad Carthon and you're not mistaking
Rad Carson for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, that was this. It looks like Da should Knight
at this point with the como, you know. That was
Rand just being uh funny and Lucy goosey. And that's
one thing I love about him and our time in
San Francisco. That was the type of person he was inside.
And now obviously when it came down to the business
of football, he was just one percent dial d in.
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But he I mean, he knew how to have a
good time. He knew how to break the tension definitely
in the room. And that was kind of the first
time I've seen Ran since his senior in Tennessee. So
it was great seeing him, and it was so many
different people that I saw on Friday. It was it
was definitely amazing. Al Skovenchkin's the all time lead.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You scorer in the NHL at one hundred ninety five goals,
passing Wayne Gretzky. Do we care about this one at all? Like,
I'm not a hockey dude. I turned it. I turned
in for a couple of seconds to see this.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No one ever thought that record? Yes, what has been
talking about? Do we care about it? I mean one
of the best of all time? Yes, he breaks a
grex Sky record. I mean, look, I'm not gonna sit
here and pretend like I'm a hockey savant. But they
say records are meant to broken, and who thought that
that record would be broken? Not I How about you,
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gret Did you think that record was going to be broken?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I don't know exactly, but Gretzky's record of all time
points probably will never be broken. Very true because he's
got like twenty five hundred or something and it was
the same number of games. Yeah, that's a cool part
that it took Gretzky to get that, which was fast.
A fun little stat about that it was twenty years
to the day that the Capitol has won the draft
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lottery to get the number one pick to Pickovechkin. Twenty
years to the day he breaks Gretzky's record.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
One players that always played for the same team over
his over his career, that it rarely happens. I mean,
obviously played for that one Moscow, but we're not cutting
that NHL team.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm just not a hockey guy. Like I feel like
they chance the Rapper sketch like from SNEL. I feel
like that's literally me to talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You don't have to be an avid fan of that
particular sport or any sport when something like this that's
history making actually takes place. It's just from a thirty
thousand foot view look at and say, well, that's one
hell of accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh, I'm all for that. Like, it's not that I
I asked if we collectively care.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment at all. Like, yeah,
I just didn't know. If there's anything else to discuss,
B and I collectively care.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think everyone should care. That's a sports fan like
next day, not even just a hockey fan.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
This is amazing. That's a major is something that will
not happen again. What is the football equivalent Tom Brady's
touched down?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You see I think that could get broken. No, Malmes, No,
I say not. I mean, for me, it's Tom's number
of super bowls. Yeah, that's probably a number of super bowls. Yeah,
but that's a team, like it doesn't make a difference.
You're part of it, Veskan, someone was feeding him the pup, right,
So that's an assist. So if if a quarterback is
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throwing to a wide receiver rescores, that's an assistant football.
All right, I'll allow it. This time it's been.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I don't know, it feels like it feels to
me like Mahomes has got a got a decent beat
on that.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean maybe not, just depends on the like that
makes amount of time in place. He'd have to play
fifteen more years with averaging about thirty touchdowns a year.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I don't think that's impossible. I don't think he's gonna
want to play that long. Maybe that part.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, did you see that article of the weekend
where he thought about quitting.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Back in high school. No, yeah, he was gonna quit
football back in high school. And goodness for the problem.
Somebody's machine. We gotta get back.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah a picture dad, you know it was uh yeah,
there were several there was there's some some great funny
some really funny uh tweets on some of that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh with with that?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And then uh then Nicola Jokic, you know, we got
to teach this guy. You gotta get this guy a
horse racing even earlier in life. Get it to goby on,
you know which. You know, speaking of the Nuggets, you
lose two over the weekend, you've dropped four straight.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was already last week.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I was already hit the panic button talking about that
we need to like start looking at this Malone thing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And everybody was looking at me sideways. Have we reevaluated
that yet? No? See you now you sound like Ryan Edwards.
And I know he's probably pulled over to the side
of the road and wondering why am I throwing shade
on him? But that's how he sounded last week when
the Nuggets were playing the Timberwolves. And I know the
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Timberwolves are different because they're built to play against the
Denver Nuggets. But for me, there's no panic. I told,
you know, Devin Tepper when I was coming up the elevator,
that this is a team that's going to compete. Will
they win a title this year. I don't see it
because there's a lot of things that are suddenly missing
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and the chemistry right, the chemistry doesn't seem to be there.
And the biggest issue that the Nuggets are having now
is the same issue they had three years ago. It's defensive.
Like coming into a Sunday's game, both the Nuggets and
the Pacers, we all knew that they both can score
points at a high level. The thing that they both
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struggle with, guess what is defense? And the Nuggets kind
of coming into like this past three games, four games
where they had to slide, they were one of the
better teams and the NBA is far as scoring scoring
is scoring gone down, and then as far as first
half teams, they're one of the worst as far as
the points they give up.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
My question though, is when it comes down to this
kind of stuff, because we're at a point where we
know what this Nuggets team is and it is either
the person shopping for the ingredients, so the person baking
the cake at this point, which one do you think
is responsible as well or no?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
In your opinion, who's the shopper and who's bacon?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, the shopper is Calvin Booth. Okay, Michael Malone is bacon,
all right. So so either so the guy's shopping and
getting the wrong ingredients or the guy baking the cake
is messing up the ingredients you got.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The guy baking the cake isn't messing up the greediest.
So there you go, that get it? Which leads right
to it. If you asked me to bake a chocolate
cake and you give me lemon flour, water, and oil,
well guess what you got a lemon cake now, And
it may taste bad and sour, And that's what these
last four games have been for Nuggets fans, really sour.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well that that's the point I'm getting at it. There
has to be You've got to make some changes after
this season.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So what happens when they go on a run make
it to the NBA Finals, if.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That happens, not where they're at right now. No, it's
not the need they need to come to Jesus because
that that does not look like something's happening.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
After this four game slide, they are a half game.
They're still in fourth place, but they're like a half
game from the playoff, half game from playing in the
playing game. That's crazy if they slide, because I was
adamantly against your thoughts on Michael Malone and Calvin Booth
last week. But if they somehow slide to the playing
game and lose and are out of the playoffs after that,
(15:57):
I could see some changes being made.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I still think it'd be the wrong decision. And if
they got rid of Michael Malone changes, who oh wow,
you have to make a choice. I think it's Calvin Booth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, And I tend to lean that way too, as
much as I I believe they've reached their limit.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
With Michael Malone. But at this point, at this point.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Because the shopping for the groceries has not been up
to bar, you let Casey p go, you let Brown go,
and what if you brought back in you know, you
got some young guys at Mario sor Yeah, So at
this point, I'm like, all right, Like, even though I
think both of them have plenty of like we could
talk about this kind of moments, I think it's more
egregious that Calvin Booth has wasted the prime of Nikola
(16:35):
Jokic by not putting the right pieces around you that
you continued to need for a champion.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Last week, I brought this question up to you guys,
and you guys seem like so totally against it. I said,
what we saw in Memphis where Memphis fired their head
coach after bringing forcing him to get rid of his
staff and bring in people they want running an offense
that doesn't fit jaw, and then he gets fired. And
I asked the question, you can't see a situation where
(16:59):
that happens here, endeavor and the idea was like, no, well, Gus,
what fellas you might be on the precipice subject It
might be honest telling us questions.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't think that the Nuggets are ever going to
fire a coach mid season, So that's that portion.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, not firing a coach mid season, but making someone
of a drastic chase. So if you are the cronky's right,
you got the guy who's shopping and the guy who's bacon.
Which guy, if he came down to it, which guy
you're getting rid.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Of the shopper At this point, I think you have
to be if you're cutting, if you're picking one, you
got to get rid of the shopper, right if there's
a case to be made forget rid of both.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But I woa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. There's a case
to be made for getting rid of both. Make it,
make you for them alone. Make it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
This team is having late game brain farts. Like you
look at Russ Westbrook the other day. This team is
melting down down the stretch. Now you had them on
a winning, a consistent winning clip earlier in the season.
Why are they not winning now You've had the same
ingredients the whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, I'm not going to blame that on him, Just
like when I look at the Rockies and how poorly
that they're performing. See it is they work in concert
together players and coaches, and you could decide, well it's
fifty fifty to fifty or seventy thirty whatever. But in
this case, like even with Bud Black, it's not on
Bud Black. It's a lot of it is on the players.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Right, Yeah, it's pitching, I mean managing in baseball though
is not I mean it's not like football, or I
mean basketball is not even like football, but it's somewhere
in between. Her The impact of the manager in baseball
is significantly lower than the impact of the head coach
in foot You know, those kinds of it you're managing
a lineup card.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But yeah, but both in football and basketball, you put
players in position to run plays for success. Right, It
is not your not on you as a coach. If
your quarterback missed the throw, the wide receiver can't get
up your crust. No, that's fair right you on the
down screen, guess what God turns the ball of. Like
Nicola Yolks was throwing an alley to MPJ, it just
(19:02):
hit the rim. It was like almost like Phillip Simour Hoffman,
you know, white chocolate. Yes, let me rest that's that's
what it was like. Because they were not even on
the same page. So I just I'm the players on
the court, and I'm normally not to fire the coach
guy and in this particular case, but I think you
have to do a performance review here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I don't know that you necessarily have to fire him alone,
but you got to make objectives clear at this point
because it sort of feels like they've topped out with this. Now,
does that mean if you get rid of Booth, are
you blowing the lineup up to or you get rid
of it, you get rid of murray and order and
or porter? You know what do you what are you
doing because you gotta you do need to make some changes.
Why don't we talk about that on the other side
of Rockles Country Night back up for this talking about
(19:43):
the Denver Nuggets for with the break, talking about what
we would do if this thing continues to implode down
the stretch here, and I think we're all in agreement.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That if somebody's got to go, Calvin Booth has got to.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Be the first one that you you kind of look at.
But then when you're looking the roster around nikol Jokic,
you probably got two more years of prime n kohl
Jokic before it starts to fade, and you've got to
wonder how long he's gonna want to play at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So what do you do? Do you do?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You stay the course with these three max contracts that
aren't you know, tool of them aren't delivered on No,
you don't even if.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The Nuggets decide that they're not going to get rid
of Calvin Booth at all. I think the next way
you look at the situation as you think, okay, well
who can we move on the roster and what type
of value do those guys actually have? So your first
thought is, well, you got two guys in a max deal,
that's jam All and MPJ. So those two guys, who
(20:42):
would you want to move now? And thinking about that,
what are you moving them for? That's that's the thing
that's important. What if you're moving guys off the roster,
who do you want to bring in? Then? Also too,
what's the length of time of that of that deal?
Do you will you to trade Jamal Murray for a
guy that just say he may have two years on
(21:05):
his contract this guy you bring in, or you may
bring in a guy who you may have to give
a new deal right away. So these are all the
things they got to kind of think about, but they
have to do something because you were right ben the
window for Nikola Jokich it doesn't expand every day, every game,
it gets smaller. So you got to figure out something.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, and that's the thing I think before you determine
who you want to bring in, and you need to
determine what you want to bring in.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What does this team need to succeed?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You need a gritty guy off the bench who could
play defense and hit threes.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you're going to if you're gonna move on from
Porter and Murray, you have to replace that production.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Too, But I think that you want something that's a
little more stable at the three. The question is what
are you doing at the one because if you're moving
Jamal and his combo guardability, right, what are you getting
back in that too? Because that has been a part
of when the Nuggets worth their best the two man game.
This is between Murray and Yolkch. That hasn't been It
hasn't been the same lay, but when they were at
their best, that was a large part of what they did.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Very true. So there's so many different ways to look
at this. For me, the first player I would look
to move would be MPJ. Whatever I can get for him,
I'll try to move him. I don't want to disrupt
the chemistry of Nikola Jokisch and Jamal Murray, even though
I would like to see a little more aggression and
(22:23):
a little more defensive prowess from Jamal, But what he
can do offensively, to me, I like that aspect of it.
So you move MPJ, that you work on rebuilding your
bench with that at least you have a chance. You
have somewhat of an opportunity because the bench hasn't been
(22:45):
that great in the past. Couple of years. Because once
you think about what coach Malone has done in the past,
once and I get to get to the playoffs, he
only goes so deep into his bench, right, and if
you're not a guy that he's feel confident about, well
you're not gonna get a lot of run. Like Pickett
is getting a lot of run now at the one
(23:05):
with Jamal being out, and I'm just he's not making
us forget about Jamal. But he stepped in and he's been,
you know, pretty decent in that particular role. So now
if you have to look at the bench, you say, okay,
well you need to back up one. You need a center,
not just a guy who just happens to be tall
and he can do you know, live. You need a
(23:27):
guy who can score points, who can get you buckets
in that second on that second unit. Right now, you
don't really have that. And you've had Zignagy on the
roster for how many years. Yes, he's got some time,
he's shown as though he had flashes, but it's not enough.
And that's what the problem with the Nuggets. The Nuggets
don't really have a lot of those guys on the
(23:49):
bench that you could say that can give you quality minutes.
And this is how you burn out in theo Kola Jokic,
because how long are you going to keep him on
the bench before you have to put him back in right?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And that's sort of the problem. So then what do
you get out to fill in for a Michael Porter Junior?
I think, what do you get? What do you go
out there and look for to try to bring in in?
Moving off of that, well, for me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
The first the first thing I would go with this
down the road and look at the pad that Michael
Malone comes from. I need someone who could defend. Now
you can say, well, the person you bring in, they
may not be a person that can give you buckets
at a high volume, but you know what, defensively they
can get it back because they can guard the opposite
(24:36):
team's best player. Like right now you have Aaron Gordon,
he is your defensive specialist. Outside of him, who else
do you have?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well that's the question, because like the people that I
would go out and get right now are try to
move Porter on and try to get in would be
a hodgepodge of people.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I try to bring it more than one.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm trying to go get maybe like a bench player
from Sacramento like Kean Ellis, who you know is a sniper,
can play a little bit of D but he's really
more of a two than a three at six to six,
doesn't rebound all that well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So now I need rebounding.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, what am I going out there to do to
get rebounding in that particular situation?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Am I moving off from Jamal Murray?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
What am I trying to get at the point, right,
who you're going to get that can play that game?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Because the only guy I.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Can think of right now that plays that the same
would be like Peyton Prichard, and I don't even know
what he's available for me.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
With all due respect to Peyton Pritchard, he is not
a Jamal Murray.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well I'm not say but I'm trying to play a
similar play a game that can fill that role.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, and they're not saying Pritchard is going to replace Jamal.
You need someone else on the bench, like when Jamal
is out, Now you insert.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That person, Well, what about the kid from Creighton that's
one G League rookie of the Year for the Nuggets,
Trey Alexander I averaged twenty six points a game five rebounds,
five assists. I mean, that's a dude that could impact
the team next year and he wouldn't have to even
move anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm for that, but I still think Grant. Even with
that being said, you still need to get better defensively. See,
the Nuggets defensive strategy is to outscore the opponents. And
what happens when you face another team like the Pacers
that can score. And I know some want to scream
(26:07):
at me, well, Jamal didn't play in the game. Well,
I tell you what, even when Jamal in the game,
defensive being able to defend defensively, that's still an issue
for the Denver Nuggets period. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Well, I mean, it'd be nice to bring back a
guy like Bruce Brown that if you.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Could bring him back, But what's the salary cost there?
I'm just looking.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm like, I'm trying to think there's a hodgepodge of
names that I would bring it if they were if
all things were being equal, you know, and you were
able to get these guys, you know, I would bring
in Pritchard, I bring in Kean Ellis.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I would, I would, I might have.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I wanted them to make a move this off season
to bring himuddy heel, but you know he's as inconsistent
as Porter is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But this is where to two philosophies inside the Nuggets
organization don't match up. Booth wants younger players. Malone wants
experienced veteran players who can play now.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
But that's that's that's always gonna be the general manager,
the d of any sport he's gonna want. The general
manager is always going to want the pipeline being flooded with
young talents so that I'm good and I'm cheap.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, the coach is always.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Gonna want guys that execute now, because if they don't,
he gonna lose his job.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, for me, it's if you're able to get veteran
guys who know how to lead, who know how to play,
and then it's in combination with a couple of young
guys at certain spots. You can make that work because
the young guys are learning from the veteran guys, and
once the veteran guys are done one or two years now,
those guys roll right into those positions. But if you
have like you call a hodgepodge of guys you know who,
(27:35):
they can't master any skill set, but they can do this,
and they can do that. That makes it really difficult
for you if you coach Malone, Like, could you imagine
coaching the Denver Nuggets knowing as though you are a
defensive minded coach, knowing as though you got a three
time MVP and the cool of Jokic, But guess what,
You're not getting the defensive consistency that you want. It'll
(27:55):
drive you crazy. And the Wonder this hair is gray. No,
Wonder's hair is great.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm just trying to think, like names that are Bruce
Brown's won you know. I wonder if Cleveland would let
DeAndre Hunter go No, you know, I'm just trying to
come up with names that would fit with what you do,
that would fill in some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Look, man, a lot of fans don't like this, but
I'm not saying go out and do this. At one
point I said yes, but maybe not at this stage.
But you wanted a guy like a Boogiey Cousins, right,
guys with a little edge to him. See the Nuggets
right now don't have edge. When I watched the game,
uh yesterday, I mean I didn't really see the you know,
(28:33):
ball arena get really excited, but it wasn't a lot
of enthusiasm. There was a lot of those plays. Now,
I will say this though, I will say this, Christian Brown,
that dude came through. He is playing as he was
playing as he came through. He did.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That draft coming up getting closer. You obviously out there
at the SU's Pro day, and I don't know, did
you see that? You guys see this stuff. It's just hilarious. Uh, Nick,
and saw because you said it to me, this hilarious
tweet which has somehow gone viral, saying that this was
a terrible workout because Schenor Sanders pats the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I did see that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
First of all, the guy who put the tweet out
is not employe. He does not work in this industry.
He's just some guy, like a random guy, has never
worked for anybody, is not involved in football, doesn't work
for any team. It's never worked for any team. It's
just some dude on Twitter, that's it. And he's saying
(29:33):
all this and I'm like, first of all, man, it
wasn't that bad with the you know, like you're exaggerating
the ball padding thing here.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The other part of this, he's like, I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Don't know if you know this, but when you're playing quarterback,
usually behind guys that are bigger than you, they call
it an offensive line and it is.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
You could probably speak to this more than I can,
because you were the one looking for it. I can't
imagine a dB seeing me pat the ball behind those
big fellas.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there was a bunch of uh bs out there.
And you know, I'm not the type of guy that
call people out by name, so I'm not going to
expose anyone in that regard. But there was a lot
of chatter over the workout and and for me, I
was right behind Shador like like two people to my right.
(30:25):
It was Broncos head coach Sean Payte. I was kind
of taking the knee trying to film and you were
not too far away from me when this was taking place.
And as a dB, no, no, no, you can't really
see that. And usually it said, well you can see
the quarterback. Ohs, no, you can't. I mean, like, come on,
you can't exactly. So that is something that's been said
(30:50):
in the world of coaching and his coach speak, because
the only thing you can see is a guy's head
direction of his head. You really can't see his his eyes.
But in this case, you won't be able to pick
those types of passes off. And it sounds great being
able to say it. But for me, I thought Shador
(31:11):
had a great workout and it was all about going
out showing some of the things that he displayed during
the season. And he didn't do any of the other testing,
any of those other things. If it's just like he
needs to come out and he needs to throw, and
he was only throwing, you know, for his guys. He
wasn't throwing for him. He was throwing for his guys.
(31:32):
Because at the end of the day, if you are
talent evaluated, this is my opinion. Ben, you go back
and watch the tape. That's your DNA, right, you go back.
You always go back and watch the tape. You look
at the workouts to see if there are certain things
that you can pick out in a workout that you
don't like or you do like. Well, evaluators will always
(31:54):
go back to the tape to kind of reinforce what
they think either pro or con And that's what you
should do, go back to you know.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Anyway, I thought the work that was fine. Is he
Josh Allen velocity? No, But you know, I mean, he's
the same guy I always thought he was, you know,
compared him to Gino or Teddy Bridgewater, those kind of guys.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And we can get more into that here a look,
we got Roamy Be and we come back.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I just thought that was a ridiculous tweet and I
wanted to get that out there. Rollan Be when we
come back. I'm sorry, Ryan and Michael, when we come back.
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