04-10-25 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five, six, six nine zeros the text line thanks to
Ryan Blackburn, who joined us in the last segment.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Missed any part of that, you go Broncos, Country Night.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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you can get to take it for granted podcast as well,
and he can teach you all about properly washing and
caring for your ball cap.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, did you see the text?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Somebody agreed with you on there. I was like, really,
I've never heard of somebody washing there. It must have
been a baseball player washing her cap in the shower.
Unlike you too. I mean, I was all right, but yeah,
like I said, my baseball career, I came to a
realization very quickly on that one. I'm like, wow, way
better than I am. When they start throwing in the nineties,
that's when I realized, like, yeah, I think my career

(00:43):
is over. It was it was less about the velocity,
because my brother was actually a much better baseball player
I was. It was less about the velocity and more
about the fact that I realized that that picture was
not even trying to hide what he was doing to me.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It was just that much better. He was just that
much know what was coming. But it didn't matter, right
because I mean my.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Brother, you know, I mean he's six three, he's a lefty,
and he threw some through some smoke. Nathan probably could
have play double a ball, probably would have been much
better then. But I could have probably played double a ball,
you know, maybe a little bit better than that Navy
triple A. But you know, he's I mean, he was
that kind of guy. Six foot three, lefty is gonna
get those kind of looks. But he would rather smoke potton.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's what he did. So just being honest life, yeah,
that's how it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
But you know, at the end of the day, like
it was less about the fact that they would throw
with just a little bit of zip and more about
the fact that I was like, this guy is not
there's no there's no mystery to this. He's not disguising this.
He's just blowing it by me and and like with effortlessly,
you know. And at that point I was like, all right,
this is not my this is not my game. So

(01:47):
five six, six nine zeros the text. So I got
a couple of texts coming in here. Someone says, what
if Allerman I think he means Autlman takes the Nuggets
to the Western Conference Finals and the finals, did the
Nuggets consider him as the next coach They're already considering?
And this is the this is the audition, This is
the audition. Whether or not you secure the.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Job or not.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're taking the Western Cobbins Finals, you probably.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Get the job.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
You take them to the NBA Championship, you're probably getting
the job.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do I think they're going to get there?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
But there's that I put out on Twitter, and I
think I.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Based on conversations I've had, I think that if Adalman
does not win the job, which is something that is likely,
that Chris Quinn is probably their first call.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
How many times that we've seen, no matter what the
sport is, coach gets fired.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Obviously these are weird.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Extreme situation as we're dealing with in association, but usually
teams play well, the answerm coach comes in. Whether he
loses the wins, he doesn't get the job.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
That's the rule in football, you never hire the interim
because it always ends badly when you do.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Look at what Kansas City hired Romeo Crenell.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
That didn't work. You had LSU with that, Orgeron that
went south. I think the only example I can remember
the interim coach being sort of successful would have been
Jason Garrett in Dallas where he was you know, he
was there for a long time, didn't won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Obviously, Well, the.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Nuggets getting to a Western Conference championship, what does that mean?
Does that mean that Alderman has earned the job. I
don't like to see anyone get fired. I'm all about
others gett an opportunity. But then I look at it
the same situation, like years ago, when I was growing up,
you had Jimmy Johnson go into the Dallas Cowboys bill

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the roster, and that Barry Switzer comes in and wins
the Super Bowl with his guys.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
So it's like, well, who you give the credit to?
Because everyone's always looking for the credit, right, Everyone's.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Always over the every's looking for the credit.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, no one wants to play. Everyone wants the credit.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But I would also say, well, I mean this goes
back to what I said earlier when we had Ryan On.
I mean just kind of looking at the fact that
where's the responsibility for these players? So now you want
to tell me, you go out and you play hard.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Now you have it.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
You really assisted in getting everyone involved. Now you're knocking
down shots. Now you're playing great defense. Oh all because
one guy and she said, well, Michael Malone was the
straw that stirred to drink to all the chaos. And
then you want to say, well, winning mask everything. It
is a perfect deodorant. Yes it is, but you can't

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ignore some of the more egregious things that are happening
with your organization's all.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
And that's so that brings up an interesting point, which
I'll get to in just a second. The two and
four set him in Dallas, and I think Nico Harrison
will be availably take him, but I hate him for
you know that.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
You hate to see anyone go through that.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Obviously Luca being traded, no one else have an opportunity
to uh put their bid in for for him personally. Uh,
since we're talking about the Dinner Nuggets. About two or
three years ago, I said that I would love to
have seen Luca and Nicola play together because when I
I look at some of our modern day NBA athletes,

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they don't play a lot of team basketball, and they're
not fundamentally sound. But we see a lot of our
international players who excel in those two areas. And I
would have loved to see those two guys here in
the day with Denver Nuggets uniform, even if that meant
moving MPJ and Jamal Murray. I would have been here

(05:25):
for but to see I don't know if you've seen
the video of Mark Cuban Sitney course with.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
The hands, the face and oh man, that was so
so difficult to watch.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
And here so many fans kind of asked for Nico
Harris to be fired.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
You never want to see somebody get fired.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's more than I mean, we all get fed up
with people and that kind of stuff, but you never
really want to see somebody get fired. You want to
see the loser livelihood have to uproot their family, and
you know, in that kind of stuff, it's more to it.
All the assistants they bring in usually you know, they're
the ones that aren't making millions and millions of dollars
and their families get suffered.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So you never really wished that.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Uh, going back to something you said though about you know,
you get to a certain point, you know, and then
I was having this conversation with Dave Logan earlier. And
there's a parallel here because all of a sudden, the
Denver Broncos started winning with Russell Wilson, and then they
kept on win and then you got to that New
England Patriots game and they finally I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm not not saying it.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I'm just saying you say, you say, you're not not
saying it. I'm saying, let's do that. Let's look at
this from Sean Payton's perspective that maybe the best thing
that could have happened was was Russell Wilson losing that game,
because if Russ kept on winning, you were going to
have a real difficult time move if you get you
get into the playoffs, you were gonna have a real
difficult time moving on from that doing what you wanted,

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which in Sean Payton's case was moving on getting this.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Guy and became Bo Nicks and the Broncos. Are you know,
good for it?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But at the same time, if Russ had kept winning
games at that point, you were you were in a
world to hurt.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
How were you going to move on from a quarterback
that just brought you from you know what did they
start to see sna he was bad to finish in
the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that was gonna be very difficult to kind of
make that move because at that point the fan base
and the critics would have questioned the motive. I mean,
you've now gone on this run and at that point
the Broncos had been in the playoff drop drought. So
now going to the postseason with a guy that maybe

(07:29):
to say Sean Payton wasn't too fond of it, didn't
want to hitch his wagon to that would have made
it really difficult to part ways.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's you're right. I mean, you look at the situation
and the way that.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Josh Cronkey kind of laid things out, something that they've
been thinking about and winning mask everything. It's funny how
you know when you're winning and mask everything. But no
one's got a problem with it, at least publicly they don't.
And it just seems as though, yes, if Malone would

(08:01):
have got the Nuggets to the playoffs, not to play in,
even just to say for the sake of Martin, the
worst case scenario got him in the play in, they won,
They continue to move, they continued to advance. That would
have been made it real difficult for Josh Cronkey to
remove Michael Malone. You're still gonna move Captain Booth of

(08:22):
Coase Malone very difficult. So as they said, you were
prepared for the future. Yeah, that's what they're trying to do.
They wanted to make sure that he didn't win, because
if he won, it changes things.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
That's what I was saying. Like the rest, it was
kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I mean, you won six of seven and your lone
loss had been that Houston game where that Lucas Kroll
could have had the you know, could have had the
conversion there and and been fine. And then you come
back and you lose Detroit, New England and puts you
out of it. And at that point didn't the Broncos
could move on. But if it had gone different, it
might have been different. And it's sort of the same
thing if you want to move on from somebody, And

(08:57):
that's the There are two reasons that.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
You fire Michael Maloman.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
You did.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
One you want to get a look at David Ademan.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
The other if all of a sudden he gets into
playoffs and reels off a streak and you would play
it on. Moving on it becomes real difficult to fire
that head coach. If you make it to the Western
Conference Finals or the NBA Championship, it does make it tough.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
But fans, I would like to think that fans see
things for what they are and how they present it. Now,
obviously there are a subset of fans who may look
at the situation and I don't know, believe something they're
told the pose who their eyes like, you don't believe
me or your lying eyes. So in both situations that

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there are some some similarities. But he is a good
part that Broncos play defense right. The Nuggets, hell, we'll
call it defense because there's no d happening, yes, and
that part of it, especially in in basketball, it's effort.
It comes down to effort. Like the game last night

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and everyone said, boy, the Nuggets they bounced back and
they really show who they are and all of this stuff.
It's like, no, you just didn't show effort before, and said, well,
why were you not showing effort before?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, we were beat.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Down emotionally because our coach said this, dude, you get
money that you get paid handsomely to go out there
and play right, and effort doesn't take talent. It goes
back to want to and just look at what happened
with the Denver Broncos, the way that they were starting out,
and all of a sudden things started to pick up.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
There was exchange between Bo and Sean Payton on the
sideline and fans were like who rying, Like, yeah, we
didn't see that from Russ. Welet that kid keep doing
that thing, and then a defense start coming around. Nick
Benito came on and the next thing you know, the
team is in the playoffs. Right. It's the leadership has
to come from within the building, and it doesn't have

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to be someone's with their chests out.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Saying pounder the table, listen to me. You could be
a quiet leader.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
So I'm saying, ben I saw that with the Denver Broncos,
and I look forward to seeing what they do and
expand on that in twenty twenty five. I'm not seeing
that with the Denver Nuggets. And I can't really say
I'm gonna blame all of that on Michael Malone.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
You say that imitation is the best form of flattery.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I tend to agree.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's probably why you've worn black Deep Phoenix T shirts
all week. But yeah, not so much, then not really much.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, I mean, listen, I've said this before, and I
don't know if I heard if anyone else said it before,
but I always go back and I site to coach
Prime effect, and then it's just like, well, what does
that really mean? And there have been so many influential
coaches and players to coach a great game of college football,
but I haven't seen a coach influenced a game of football.

(11:57):
I guess from a brand standpoint the way I've seen
Coach Prime do it since he's been a Boulder, And
we're seeing more college teams wanting to take a piece
from the professional ranks and incorporate into their institution.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Now, I did see something a couple of.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Days ago where Little Tucci aka Lil Wayne was at
UNC S you know, spring practice, and I said, wait
a minute, I've seen this somewhere before, right, And it
is one of those ways to kind of tap into
this generation of players by going by things that they
find fun, they love and kind of speaking their language.

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And I said, well, you know, Coach Prime did that.
He was one of those first coaches to have a
rapper at this spring game.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Lawayne brought out the group had a little concert, right.
It was kind of my mainstay in Boulder. So to
see Bill Belichick recognizing something that is a successful action
and adopting it itself, to me, I was like, good
for him.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, this is another example of the coach promifect. In
my opinion, I think so.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And I think you look around, every coach is trying
to get an edge and they've been largely copying the
coach prime methodology, which is, you know, it's his own
way of doing things, but it has its roots in
Pete Carroll's methodology.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I think that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think everybody is looking at collegiate sports right now
is sort of a wild while West, and you've got
to sort of figure out you've got to navigate several different.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Things at once.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
The transfer portal anil money, creating an environment that these
people want to come to. It's not just about hey,
we're the brand name that's going to put you in
the NFL, although North Carolina is trying that route with
Bill Belichick. There's an environment of culture, a whole thing
to it, and it's fascinating to watch as each of

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these coaches navigated, and of all people who seem to
be on the forefront of that.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It does seem to be Deon Sanders.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It is kind of weird to see that Bill Belichick
is jumping kind of into these shoes and taking this approach.
And I know, you know, our outside view of Bill
Belichick is probably different than some other people who play
for him, are really close to him. But to see
Bill Belichick now that he's not coaching, doing more media

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and when in fact, when he would come to the podium,
he was a coach that said very little and now
he's saying a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
So this is a brand new.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Bill Belichick maybe we're seeing or maybe he's always been
this way, but he's just never showed it to you know,
those outside of the building.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Maybe, And that's it's gonna be fascinating to watch as
those you know, those programs, what they're able to do
this fall, in what way that they're able to shape themselves,
and whether or not that ultimately makes them a powerhouse.
Right now, they're the center of the college football world
in terms of attention. But will North Carolina, will Colorado
be in the playoff picture, the championship picture sooner than later,

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And that's going to be I think fascinating study.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, that's where things kind of where the rubber meets
to roll. I mean, you could be a plus as
far as branding is concerned, but you need to double
down and be a plus when it comes to the
level of production. Both programs find themselves in difficult spots
because now, when we think about what CU did last year,

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they're trying to piggyback off of that and continue to rise.
But they got two young quarterbacks. We don't know who's
going to end up being the starter. We probably know
more after their spring game, which I believe is on
April nineteen in North Carolina. You know Amarion Hampton, right,
I mean, he's the guy that the oil that grees
the injures down in North Carolina. They're not going to

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have him anymore. So what's that program is gonna look like?
But as far as it, you know, we're concerned. In
thirty thousand foot view, everyone's going to be watching these
two programs to see what the season production is going
to be like that they are we come back. It's
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
Berguson Gratsmith back there behind the glass. Thanks to Rick
Lewis for joining us earlier. Ryan Blackbird as well. You
guys can get those up at Broncos Country at Dot
cop Slash podcast And without further ado, lets jump to
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Expect it takes time for the NFL sick pad.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I'm gonna take a lot of beer, insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Six the top six NFL headline.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
What Former Broncos and Falcon safety Justin Simmons was impressed
with what he saw last season from Michael Pennix Junior
On up In Adams with k Adams this week, he
said that he knew Pennix had it in him since the.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Third day of training camp.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
He saw crazy no look pass and said it's the
maybe craziest pass he's ever seen in.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Person regard his entire NFL career.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
What are your expectations though for Michael Pennick Junior in
this first full season as the Falcon starter?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Flow not very high?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know, I don't know, we'll see to be fair
to Justin, and he also said that the Drew and
Trevor were phenomenal and then all that kind of stuff,
he said, there's another fun component to pipeing up your
own guy.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Now, Justin's not going to be back in Atlanta this year,
but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I didn't see anything out of Panicks in the in
the in the NFL starts that I was like, that's
the dude, we'll see. You need more.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I need a bigger sample size to work with.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Though.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, for me, I feel the same way. I think
he made some Jurassic strides. He should definitely be a
lot better than he was last year. I go back
to the game where he was dueling with jayde Daniels
and until you know the last moments, Jane Dames was
able to overtake the Falcons defense. It looked like it
was going to be a game. And this is kind

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of what we live for young quarterbacks dueling, so we
see what the future generation is gonna look like. But
if your defense doesn't really come to play, it's gonna
make it really difficult. Because I don't care how good
you are as a quarterback, you gotta spend a lot
of your time on the sidelumb with the clipboard and
the ball cap.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
He went three.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
One and two is a starter.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Three touchdowns to three picks, You know, I mean, we'll see.
I just yeah, I mean he didn't get sacked very much.
Four times one hundred and five dropbacks, That's that's at
least something. But I didn't see anything that I was like, oh,
that's the dude.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
I was just kind of like, well, maybe, well, and
the Justinsons defense on the Drew lock front. You know,
I've seen people miss on Drew Lock. But it's all
about the growth and development and bouncing back from that.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, yeah, I guess you know, Justin's just got a
keen eye for quarterback talent and shout it out to
you know at all Timer and Drew LOCKO.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
The Carolina Panthers are taking advantage of a unique avenue
to add some talent, going to Antonio Gates route. They're
signing six foot eight Coastal Carolina the Shannon Clears basketball
center Colin Granger to their roster. Transferred to Coastal Carolina
from Grantso and OHIOO.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah uh.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
He is now signing with the Carolina Panthers despite not
playing any football whatsoever since the eighth grade. How likely
is it, in your opinion that Granger makes the Panthers
initial fifty three man roster Oh, that's a tough ask,
and it's tough when guys go from basketball to football.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
There's very few guys that sort of had that mentality.
Antono Gates is one of them. Chris Maynard's of course,
was one of them, Jimmy Graham.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
But it's tough.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's a tough mentality, and you gotta be a tough
player to do that. I'm not saying great there isn't.
That size is sort of weird. I mean he's just
like six nine five. That's real, Finn. That's gonna be interesting.
I mean you kind of basically have to use him
as more of a power slot than anything else, a
red zone power slot guy.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
If he's got sure hands.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
And he's able to do it, hey, cool, that's gonna
be That's a cool weapon. How do you defend somebody
who's six' nine going up to get the football? On
the flip side of that, I mean, what are you
gonna do with him in the open field?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That that guy six nine five. It's a bean pole.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
And you know, I might even put a linebacker in there,
just a I said, to mess him to the ground.
You know, early on, we'll see. I don't know, I'm
pulling for him.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I think it's a great project because we've seen other
former guys who played basketball converted to tight ends and
you become a big target. The issue is is that, well,
how quickly are they going to be able to bring
him along? Because the biggest thing is route running? Are
you inline blocker? Do you know the footsteps? And you

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think maybe, because he's a basketball player, the footwork, the
foundation for the footwork should always be there. But you
never know, because I know basketball players say it all
the time. We see one guy throw, you know, a
pass from one end of the court to the other. Oh,
he make a great player in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
No he doesn't. You know why we're physical? You're not.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I feel like this has kind of gone out of vogue.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
It was the big thing in like the twenty's, mid
twenty tens, and for a while since I heard a
story like this. But Julius Thomas, you're a name. It's
the notable once Julius Thomas a basketball guy.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
There are five guys in the NFL that are six
eight or taller, and all of them are offensive Flyman
Mike mcglea, she Kalays Campbell, Well, Klay's campceled d Line,
but everybody else, Orlando Brown, Trent Brown, and Dance Skipper.
I mean, that's that's it. And those guys are all big,
you know. So it's tough, tough road to hope and
I'm pulling for.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Him, you know what.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know what happens with those six eight guys, I
think as a safety saws stick your hand up there.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I'm yes, yeah, So I'm worried about cam.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Jordan went on GMFB this week and said that he
thinks the NFC South crown is well within the New
Orleans Saints reach. He also said he thinks the team
is a lot better than the rest of the world thinks,
saying he thinks the reason they faltered after their two
and zero start was just because the injuries and that
win healthy, their roster is top tier. Uh For his quote,

(21:45):
where do you think the Saints rank in the NFC
South today and where do you think they rank in
the greater NFC landscape?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Don't disagree with his sentiment. They did get derailed by injury.
When they were on they were on, but those first
two games they were on fire. It'll be interesting to
see how they adapt to the new coaching staff and
and that style and all that kind of stuff, especially
on the defensive side of the ball. You probably Brandon
Staley that's gonna be wildly different than what they ran before.

(22:12):
So that part of it sort of concerns me. But
in terms of talent, I agree with this set it.
I think they're a good football team that people slept
on because of a ton of injuries that they had.
End of the day, they could be it might be
the second best team in the NFC South, maybe first
best depending on where you you know, where you put Tampa.
But in terms of the overall NFL, I mean they're

(22:32):
one of the better teams in the NFC.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
They could be a playoff team.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Well I'm gonna say I really don't believe in the
Saints until they showed me right, because right now the
Bucks really owned the South. And just think about the
over the past couple of years when we looked at
the South that wasn't really uh the vision that you go, oh, well,
that scares me. Once upon the time, you know, when
when Matt Ryan and Drew Brees were dueling it out. Yes,

(22:56):
I mean those were the two teams. But right now
now they're not in great company. The thing that makes
it easy for the Saints is that Tampa Bay is
is a team in that conference, and Carolina and the
Falcons and suits trying to figure.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Out who they are. So can they make some noise? Absolutely?
Will they be exactly what he thinks they're gonna be?
Probably not.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
And I wonder if Saints fans would almost rather than
not make the playoffs, rather than kind of continue to
be stuck in this eddy of mediocrity where they're, you know,
somewhere between seven and nine and nine and seven every year,
maybe they can finally bought them out and start rebuilding
this thing and get their books right.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, what's wrong with winning? While you're doing it,
you're not winning in any meaningful way. I guess what
people busy?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
How do they accomplish this? And they're stratford cash and
they still have to they Oh, they've.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Run the credit They've run the credit card as tight
as you can and too like like this year, they're
you know, they got it back. H They're really up
against it here in the next two years. But I
don't think you have much flexibility. You sort of have
to run with the team that you have now because
you backed your way into it, So they better be
what Cam Jordan said, Otherwise they're going to be an
embarrassment and not able to do it about it.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Their cap is tighter than that movie about that just
saying four star.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Bears cornerback Jalen Johnson said he's tired of winning the
offseason Super Bowl, doesn't want any more of the offseason hype,
and that he'll only be happy when the Bears start
winning meaningful games in December and January and maybe even
see some postseason football. How many games do you think
the Bears are set to win in twenty twenty five
and do you think they'll be able to make the
playoffs in a loaded NFC North?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's tough.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
You got a Lions team that's got turnover on both
sides of the ball in terms of coaching staff. You've
got a Vikings team that's turning it over to a
rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Green Bay was down last year. They could maybe bounce back.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, I think that Bears team is better than
people think because that defense is actually really good. So
if Ben Johnson gets anything out of the offense, you
know you're you're probably looking at a better than five
hundred team. I think they be a nine win football team,
maybe maybe ten if the ball bounce is their way, right,
I think a Packers probably win the division, but I
think they can flirt with a wildcard spot.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think we're going to.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
See more improved Chicago Bears team. Obviously, what the first
thing that Ben Johnson did was go out and just
kind of revamp that offensive line. Like like Joe Toney
from Kansas City, he's on that roster. They're starting left guard. Now.
Now we're going to see so many different things as
far as formations from Ben Johnson.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Ben comes over from the Detroit Lions, an organization who
he knows really well. And guess what, a lot of
their support staff I mean are no longer there. So
that's going to hamstring them in some ways. So the
same level of production that we've seen this far, it's
going to be a change. So I give the Bears
an opportunity to possibly leap frog the Detroit Lions be

(25:53):
right second under the Greeley Packers.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think They've done a great job upgrading the roster
this season, and it's just gonna come down to, you
know what version of Caleb Williams. Do we get Do
we get the guy who was hyped up as this
you know, prodigious number one overall pick or the guy
who was taking you know, five bad sacks of game
last year?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Ben Johnson is smart enough not to put him in
those situations. I think that's the main reason that he's there.
You also got John Morton for you know, you know
over there in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know, man, I like, the Packers look like
the class potentially if if the if this coaching goes
sideways for Detroit, the Packers suddenly look like the class
of of the North with Chicago prime prime to come
in there and steal second.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean Detroit and Minnesota, that's a that's a sneaky,
tough division, just depending on how things go with quarterbacks
and coaching.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Do you think they're drafting Tyler Warren at ten the Bears.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
No, I don't, so you do. I don't now whether
they do it or not.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
I mean, that's not a hither there, but I.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Think well, I mean, I mean, if he's there, my
best bet, Andy McCole commit. You get a too dual
tight end and you're running people out of the building.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I say that the sneakiest thing I think they're gonna
go running back in. One of the sneakiest things might
might wind up being Trevion Henderson at ten. That's what
they said about Jamiir Gibbs, and look what he did
for him in Detroit. I'm just saying similar type players.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Keep your eye on.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Eric Beenny, by the way, has a great relationship with
Trevian Henderson that goes back years.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So keep your eye on. That's the enemy there. Now
he's a running backs coach. Im kids, you know five.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
Deshaun Watson posted a video to social media flaming, yeah,
sorry it was not in a massage of Parla Watt
easier with that, maybe.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Massage that went a little bit before you run it
out there, give a nice nye before.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Deshaun Watson posted a video to social media these past
couple of days claiming that he's going to prove all
the doubters wrong and be better than he ever was before.
If I set the line, I think we can all
agree that's probably ridiculous. So if I set the line
at two and a half starts and four and a
half touchdowns for the entire remainder of Deshaun Watson's career.

(28:12):
Would you take the over or the under for the
season or for his career the remainder of his career
two and a half starts, four and a half season.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I would take the under. For his career.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I would take the over. Somebody will give him another shot?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, I'm with Ben because it's hard to not give
a guy a shot that had some ability, even though
he's not a perfect person. And those takers are they
looking at on the field or off the field. So
he would just have to prove that he's overcome his
injuries that have derailed him for the past two seasons.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, he said in the league, is so quarterback thirsty
that someone will be desperate enough to give him a shot.
I'm just saying, Drew Locke literally got starts last year.
Drew luck didn't have the legend. Yeah, playoff chances, I'll take.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
The under, put me down or the under.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Sick, let's say good that Shador All right, I'm gonna
put onto this.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Actually, I like mistakes rare and we're going to no.
Frisco's sounds good.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Shadoor Sanders responded to ruvers, he's performed poorly in team interviews, saying,
when I go visit these coaches and when I go
to all these different franchises, I ask them truly what
I think and how I feel.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Some get offended, some like it, some don't. Make some
people uncomfortable.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Some people invite that they know what type of person
and what type of player they're going to get out
of me. So I just have to make sure what
type of culture or what type of dynamic I'm going
to have with them. Also, what do you make of
Shador's response to the public criticisms about maybe how he's
handling these interviews.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think the public isn't in on those interviews, so
how can they criticize them. Whatever you think of shud
Or Sanders, shoud Or Sanders is handling it the way
that Shador Sanders thinks is best for him.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And he's earned that.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
They're interviewing him for a job as well, and he's
as well as he's been interviewing them. Whatever you think
of him, his ability, his career, where he's gonna be drafted,
whatever you think of all that, At the end of
the day, these interview processes, Yeah, go in there and
make them uncomfory. You've got to be a part of
that culture at some point. Maybe, So if you're in
there with Cleveland, I'm gonna ask him tough questions. Why
has it been a you know what, a thun around here?

(30:22):
Why can't I why haven't you been able to win?
What's what's wrong with this culture? Why can't you get
these types of players in here, get these kind of
production out of these players, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So I don't with regard to that process.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
I'm never mad at Prospects for getting in there and
mixing things up a little bit. Damn, when did he
become so solve?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I mean, that's what it seemed that we've become as
a society. Because you're right, Ben, it's not just the
team interviewing the player. The players interviewing the team as well.
And you should be able to ask certain questions. But
as a former player and a coach, I do know this,
some teams frowned upon players asking those questions. They want
you to come in, they want you to do what

(31:02):
they say, They want you to follow orders. At the
same time, they wants you to be the leader of men.
They want you to come in as a young quarterback
and command the huddle. It's like, wait a minute, you speak.
You can't speak out both sides of your neck when
you say.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
This, How many leaders you know just take orders?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Exactly right?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I mean, you want that quarterback to be a field general,
especially in a two minute drill. You're out there, they're
calling the plays on the sideline. But you got to
execute him. But now you get mad because the guy
comes in and he puts his should, he pokes out
his chest and say, this is who I am.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
At least you know who he is, and he's not
big in a fraud. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
It reminds me of a conversation I think we were
having when Graham was hosting one night on Valentine's Day.
You don't want to pretend you're someone you're not when
you're on a first state or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know, you have to be that the rest of
your Really, you want them to like you for you don't.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Shador is not serving himself if he goes in and
pretends he's someone else and then they draft him, and
now you gotta be that guy for the next five years.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
That's why I tell it like it was so funny
because you know, I should be on the apps or
whatever back in the day and.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right just wiping them off their feet.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I uh, but it was funny because I would show
up on these dates and these women would say the
same thing, and they would be like, dude, you're actually
the height that you listed, like nobody ever. You know,
I was worried when you said you were five ten
that you were gonna be like five six. And apparently
that's the thing, like dudes lie about their height all
the time, Like, well, why would you do that because
you got to show up on the date and then
you're gonna wind up being short of what you said

(32:26):
you were, like, you're saying you're heard the first impression,
he was going to be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's not gonna know that you're putting newspapers in your shoes, right,
is that the trick?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I don't know, appointment when he takes them home for
the first time. Okay, yeah, you went to disappointment the
end of the night. That's Oh, that's Zach looking around.
He's trying to figure out what's going.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
On in long term relationship that you don't know about
that you gotta get the fish on the line.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
First, Well, yeah, you got to fish on the Hawks.
I mean, yeah, right, But.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's just you know, at the end of the day,
you can't you can't sit there and be setting yourself
up for initial disappointment.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's that's just not not how it is.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm want to go back real quick. Well we get
like one minute here. Stacy from Utah asked the question earlier,
and I'm trying to find it here on the text line. So, hey, man,
I was listening to Dave earlier today. You guys were
talking about sowary caps. I was wondering how signing bonuses,
player incentives, sacks, what have you. How's that factor into
the salary cap if it all likely to be earned
incentives or or the salar cat you have unlikely to
be earned incentives. We'll try to delineate that tomorrow. That's

(33:29):
a good question since Nick and are gonna be on
Kiwi Sports tomorrow started three, That's that's a good question
for us to get into there. But I will I'll
give you a better answer. At that point in time,
rus is falling then not likely to be your owned category.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, it's gonna be so sweet when he does.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm gonna never get to stop making fun of you.
Broncos country is not Ki