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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Steve at Water, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's uh? What's uh?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Fresh back from totoing it blessing the rains down in Africa.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What's going on? Man? Hey, not much, not much. Happy
to be back.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very It was weird when you came in and you
like undraped an American flag from around yourself and everything.
This is as patreonic. I've never seen Steve at Water man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
It was always yeah, definitely gonna have to be man
Gras Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Back there behind the glassboard, the full look at this,
the full beard, the ball captain.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He looks like he just got done bail it. Hay.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
He looks like every dude I know got an Arkansas
minus the flower vans.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, I can see the shoes. I can't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He's got flower shoes on to set the the outfit
off instead of you know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Listen to the you know, just going back to my
roots of Southeast Ohio. Please kick her boots but make
it pop a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, there we go, say like it looks like it listen,
looks like to every dude I went to high school with,
right now, you look like the before version they put
on weight after you know, i'd want.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Too many beers.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
But you look like the before ers like every day
I went to high school with right now he came.
I saw him at the corner of my eye when
he when he came in earlier, and I was like, oh,
you know, I was like, this is flashing back to
you know, being out there in Loan Oak, Arkansas. For
a minute, I was like looking for the fishboat going
the bill.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I had one back in the door, just saying so you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Could still see the import on my Tim Jenkins hat
where I had.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The fishmook. You never have a fish shock on your hat, Steve.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Never never had a fishing what's the fish fish shook
on the hat for?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's just did you fishing nook? Right there? You pulled
off tied up? You know you always prepared to go fishing. Well,
I knew when I was going fishing. I planned for it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, I wouldn't just like on the way I'm like
walking around my baseball cap on h I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
A that's because you never lived in the delta off
and go fishing. I used to.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was a half mile walk from the bayou.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know at my house it was a half mile
walk from the bayou. So you know, I ain't never know,
just might I might have you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
From the bayou by you buy.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Your needle, that was the the one that was closer, said,
we pull the gator out of there once, a little
four footer pot pulled the gator out of the one. Okay,
let me let me tell the real story. I said,
we pulled the gate out of there. We ran over
an alligator that tried to crawl out of there, you know,
onto the onto the road or whatever, and we ran
over it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That's really happened. I'll give you the truthful story.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Four foot it's nice. I mean it was wasn't huge,
but it was. It had been there a while, so
I was like, oh, okay, and it's the same lake.
We're just all trapsing around in barefoot, you know, I
say lake is it was?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean it was as by you as by you
could be.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Whatever your pictiononary in your head right now, with like
the weird roots and the tree coming up and all
in the moss everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It was swamp. Yes, Yes, it was absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
That's what I've never understood about the people in the South,
Like they'll just be in the water and Florida and
Arkansas and they'll be alligators shown.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
No, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that's that's the least your problems.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
They said, you got the cotton miles down there, you
got the copper heads some of the places, you got
rattlesnakes to On top of all that, the state bird
is the mosquitos are out as big as her hands.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm just saying, man, like it's you know, you drive.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It was funny because, like you know, I'm go hang
out in the rock and drive back to Launo at
night and it should be driving sundown.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You'd be driving back and it sounded.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Like machine gun fire was hitting your car with all
the bugs hit the windshield in the front, you know, as.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You were committing in ches a side on the way home. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I remember one of my buddies, he was part of Arkansas,
he lived in but we went to visit his family
right one of the holidays. Man, those mosquities were hitting
at once old day the pop and you know Stuttgart
Art Yeah stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, so that's like ten minutes from where I lived.
It's to Stuttgart, by the way, is the duck hunting
capital of the world. When Peyton Mannon goes duck hunts,
he goes down to Stuttgart arts as the rice capitol
over A lot of your rice comes from there, Dude.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had never seen mosquitos that big.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, they were hitting when they were hitting the wind, shoot,
I thought they were like birds, like.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We yeah, we running the birds.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But it sounds like, yeah, that's struck.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's about that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's about twenty five minutes south of where where I
grew up.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So yeah, right there. We used play them in football.
I mean they were at our conference. We used to
play them football.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So yeah, it's uh, that was Kip. Believe you've been
down here.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So you've been to Stuttgart's Stuckgart is the duck hunting
capital of the world. People come from all over to
go duck hunting down there. Wow, it is a celebrity.
Like they fly to this little you know, the fly
of a little airstrip that's out there, and to be
all these celebrities think you're.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like what in all places? Yeah, Stuttgart, Arkansas? Hey, who
would have know?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And now you know, now other people here know the
one to go duck hunting now you know. Uh, Steve,
we got the NFL Draft coming up. What was it
like for you in the weeks leading up to the
NFL Draft. Were you stressed about it at all? Are
you working out, trying to you know, trying to do it,
last minute meetings with teams? I mean, what what was
the what was the run up to the NFL Draft
those final weeks like for Steve at War Yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was kind of calm, you know, once you get
done with all the workouts, you know, when you go
to when the when the teams come to your college
to work. But these back then, I'm sure it's probably
different now, highly industrialized now, but yeah, and a lot
of guys go and visit teams that are interested in
now versus back back in the day. I know, I
didn't take any visits to any teams prior to the draft,
(05:06):
and yeah, I just tried to stay in shape, tried
to keep a positive attitude, and I was hoping that
I would go as high as possible. And I think
everybody's doing that. Everybody who has a chance of getting
drafted is hoping that, hey they're a top ten pick,
but you know, only ten guys can be there, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
But I mean, you didn't have nerves or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Family, you know, like any.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Anything not really not really because now, although I did
invite my family down, we were at my this is
my girlfriend at the time, my wife. Now, we were
at my wife's apartment in Little Rock, and we invited
my family down for it. And I didn't know if
I was going to get drafted on day one or not.
(05:50):
You know, you're here heard some rumors. Yeah, I may
go on day one, but I was just hoping I
got drafted on that first day anytime.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, we're and.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is a personal interest question. We're else was your
wife's apartment Little Rock? I have no idea. I can't
remember back then. Ask real question.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm just gotta you know. I was actually curious. I
am to Steve's house. What's that she came to Steve's house.
She just said he was in his wife's department, her
future wife's department. I'm saying she came over to his house.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Right, he just said he was in his future wife's apartment.
Never mind, Okay, I know what you're saying. I'm like,
I'm I don't get it. Look easiest need to do.
I this is a classic case of Grant How smart
I gus all, he's probably got a witty a witty
rep back. There were sitting here like, yeah, computer, it's
uh five six six nine zeroes a text line because
(06:38):
I've talked to you goodness after Over the last fiften years,
probably talked to hundreds of guys who were sitting there,
some of whom knew they were going day one, uh,
some knew they weren't going day one, and I there
were very few that weren't nervous. A lot of them
trying to put on a put on an act like
(06:58):
they weren't nervous. But there are very few over the
last decade and a half that I've talked to in
the in the run up, in the in those weeks
leading up, that weren't nervous.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And you could tell by the questions they asked me.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They'd be like, what are you hearing? You know what
you get?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And I'm like, oh, okay, you're trying to Yeah, it's
it's a It's a fascinating thing for me because it's
it's it's a workplaces, it's your future that almost nobody
goes through.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Nobody goes through.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Professionals, you know, you know the financial analysts coming out
of Harvard and Yale or they're lining up for the
Berkshire halfaway draft for these guys. You know where the
gold and Sack's gonna get me? You know that kind
of like it's the one kind of thing where it's
dependent on I mean in and in a lot of
cases it's still businesses choosing you, but it really is
them literally choose lining up to choose you in certain ways,
(07:46):
and you're sort of locked into that. It's a fascinating
sort of labor market thing. I guess that that that
I see. Would you be in favor of abolishing the
draft at all? Somebody brought this up, and I thought
it was an interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Uh, and what will be the replacement?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Teams can line up to offer rookies whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You just go to the highest binder.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean, they gotta still fit it under the
Sowery cap. But teams can line up to bid whatever
they want.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's crazy. I don't like that. You don't like them, no, because.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
More than likely the teams that are winning, they'll probably
have a little bit more money.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You know, it just has a franchise.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think it'd be the other way. You just win
the Super Bowl, you got to pay everybody. Now you
got less money. You know, look at the teams that
have money this year, or New England and Cleveland and
they don't want anything.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
But you think about the worst teams in the league,
they were the worst teams.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Who's talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
England? They had their run, They've had their run.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, now you know, like at the least amount of money,
like Kansas City and Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What happened they won? Yeah, well, but I still would
think that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
If if that were the situation where they just line up,
I don't think that it would solve the problem that
I think this draft tries to solve in terms of
better players going to the worst teams and having a
little bit of you know, well, that's what the.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
The NFL tries to do is create a parity around
the league that you know that everything gets equal and
the bad teams have the opportunity to improve and those
kinds of things. The NBA has kind of butchered that
a little bit with the lottery, and you know, you
get some some weird stuff with that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But you know, I sort of I like the idea
of the draft because.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It does it enforces parody, enforces the good players go
to bad teams, and then helps you know, hopefully drag
them u out of it, unless you're the Browns and
you just continue drafting players that can't do that.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Because like the best players weren't likely they're used to winning.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They want to go to the great teams, right, everybody
wants to win. Yeah, nobody gets into football. Yeah, you know,
not really mas as long as they get my tackles. Total,
I don't really care for it or not. Nobody gets
into nobody gets into it for that. But I mean,
like that is one of those things where I, you know,
I look at this and like, Okay, so this is
an unfair labor practice in the sense that you don't
get to pick where you want to go, and you
don't get to deny it because then you you're out
for a year.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But at the same time, he commensated well for it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, but I mean yeah, and at the same time,
the mechanism does keep the league interesting and doesn't allow
it to tilt off its axis with good treat and
good teams just destroyed everybody all the time that have
the most money.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Like in baseball. Mm hmm, that's a good moment.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Just say five six, six nine zeros text line, you
guys want to get involved in the conversation. Hall of
Famer Steve Attwater here with me. Got quite a few
text messages coming in. I'll read this one real quick.
It's actually lengthy. It says, man, I feel like corner
is being overlooked as a position. We could use an upgrade.
At Sean Payton Saints would be four times in round
one during his tenure, and during George Payton's time in Minnesota,
(10:39):
they drafted a corner seven times in the first three rounds.
It'll be a dream to have Will Johnson opposite PS
two if he somehow fell to twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'll spoil that one for you. He won't.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But if Johati Barron were available in the event Marian
Hampton was gone already, would deadver.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Not consider him for the pick.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It seemed like an elite chess piece to add to
an already get secondary. Although Abram's drain looked promising, Millions
played well, we've seen us get picked apart a bit
in the secondaries once injuries started to strike. And he's
referring to late last season. Obviously by the boss got
hurt or tang got hurt. I would say this, I
do believe that the Broncos will add a corner, probably
in the draft first round. Yeah, I don't think it'll
(11:16):
be early, and I would suggest it's probably going to
be like a slot corner, I think, if you know,
I think they were I think they like the way
that that Sartan and Moss played. I think they were
a little bit underwhelmed with mcmillion at times, and I
think that maybe they may look for an upgrade in
that slot.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In that slot position.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
We've seen how much attention they pay to safety over
the last couple of years. Yeah, you've had it, who
fat Brandon Jones through through a free agency. You just
add the other kids from Carolina's mostly a special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They got. The safety room's kind of crowded. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They might have to figure out something to do with Turner,
Yell and Key and Skinner and in those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
There's a lot a lot of competition in that room,
and a competition hopefully they'll bring out the best in
each of those guys and we'll see who's standing at
the end.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, that and that'll be the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think think that that's what they're trying to do
is create competition at every level of position and if
you raise the floor, it perpetually will push the ceiling
up right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's the and the entire team will.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Get better if you have every position, you got guys
competing versus the guys coming in and say, oh yeah
I got this, I got just sewed up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, And that's the thing because if you know, that's
what happens if you get complacent sometimes and sometimes competition.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Makes better people and players out of us.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
All.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think you got to have to depth, yeah, dept Well,
and that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I think. I believe that they're going to draw some
defensive linemen. I would love that. I think they need to.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think they've recognized internally watching that Super Bowl what
Philadelphia DIDs and then those big fellows and waves made
everybody else that much better. They were able to get
that disruption, especially late in the game, and I think
they they realized that, you know, Philadelphia is onto something here,
and maybe if we have a deeper rotation of bodies
that are able to get after the quarterback or at
(12:55):
least tie up those blockers so our linebackers can get
after the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
They'll be the or for it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So I think there's guys like Nolan at Ole, Miss
Harmon at Oregon that that are early on guys that
could potentially be in that conversation for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
One of the interior defensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, I'm talking about what would normally in a forty three,
what would be a defensive tackle in thirty four, it's
more of an end, you know, not necessarily a nose tackle, but.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
You know, more of a guy right there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, those tweeters, DeMarcus Walker type guys.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Not now he went outside, but it was, you know,
but I think they're looking for some big body three
five tech type guys that can tie up blockers and
they can keep sending those bodies out in waves to
wear down offensive linemen and then then you can start
to send your uh you know, you got Nick Bodito
coming off the edge, you got Coop coming off the edge,
Yells coming off the edge, Sanders coming downhill from linebacker.
(13:48):
You know green Law who's not really not really a
shoot the gap linebacker. He's more of a sideline the
sideline or going away from the ball guy, but he
can at times and has at times.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Is Drew Sanders is going to be inside?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They moved him inside so I like, I like that movie.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
We're gonna that's gonna be some good, good competition there
as well.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now he'll still be a downhill guy, but he'll be
coming in from from the inside there instead off the edge,
which I think is a better fit for him.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
He'll be in that kind of that Todd Davis role.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
If you remember when Advance was was here as head
coach and Todd Davis used to line up in that
inside backer, but he was really a downhill guy. That's
what Drew Sanders will wind up doing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He'll occasionally go away from the ball and do a
little sideline of sideline, but his job mostly will be, Hey,
they tied up my blockers. Now I'm shooting the gap.
Yeah he got he got hurt last year. But he
looks he looks good. I've seen him a round the facility. Man,
he's looking good. He looked like a baller, Yeah he's
I mean, he looks the part. He has a Tookie
mini camp. He looked like he looked like the star
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of the show. When he first got here, you were like,
my goodness, that guy, how did he wait on the
third round? And then he just hasn't been able to
put it on the all together on the field there
yet at the NFL level, Well, hopefully this will be
the year for him, but yeah, you don't have forever
in the NFL. No, and he'll get to this year.
Is that kind of the opportunity year? You know when
you get once you get to your your two year three,
that's you're in the opportunity years.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So that'll be that'll be a interest.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't know if you saw this or not, but uh,
University of Colorado and they were talking about OKAO sports
a little bit. Uh, they're retiring the numbers for Travis
Hunter and shaduor Sanders and Travis Hunter. I gat he
just want the heisman. Uh you know all that kind
of stuff, retiring the number. Yeah, the University of Colorado
is going to be retired this weekend. Friend, they ever
retired another Yeah, they retired like they have three or
(15:22):
four in school history. But you know, I mean this
is Travis Hunter again.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You want the heisman?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know all that I get Schadoor Sanders is thirteen
eleven as a starter. What was here for two years
the same as Travis. But didn't you know, win anything?
Never won a Bowl game? I there's the divide between
the former players and alumni at Colorado and the current
administration and fans is pretty stark because there a sense
(15:48):
that like former players, like, what are you doing retiring
his number? I've been waiting twenty years, you know that
kind of stuff, and who decided on it? Though I
would imagine his father would have decided on that. Well, man,
nothing happens without his say. So are you like, is.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your was your number retired in college?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Is your college number retired?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No? College number? NFL number? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You're in the Hall of Fame and they don't have
your number retired. Maybe we're gonna talk somedit, But think
my Little Leaue number. Meanwhile, somebody Smith over here has
got his Little League number retired. There we go, multiple
multiple supporters, multiple sports. Yeah you have to you have
to go back into the ceremony every year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
The Yeah, I'm usually the keynote speaker, you know, right,
the Cincinnati hornet.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Right, they make him wear a Bengal jacket. I mean,
but that's what I was saying, like college numbers retired.
I mean, you already have a limited number set of
numbers to work with. You got like ninety plus man
rosters at the collegiate level, which means you're doubling up
numbers somewhere already.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like? What did Shdoor Sanders do that you would say
is worthy of retiring his number?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I didn't see. Obviously, he's a great player.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Uh I.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Didn't see.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, that type of performance though to where it warrants
a Jersey being retired. But maybe it's the signal of
the change that that they started last year. And you know,
I know everybody's hoping that that's gonna going to continue.
They're going to continue to get better as a team
and uh, you know, continue to compete.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean, I'm telling me wrong. I hope that they do.
I am understand. Yeah, it's a whole different thing to retire.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Jersey, Right if you retire in Door Sanders Jersey after
two seasons in Colorado in which they got to one
bowl game that wasn't in the playoffs and lost that too,
I mean, I don't I don't understand that one.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, Well, it all depends on who's making the decisions.
And I'm sure Dion had something to do with it,
but he I know, he's not making that decision by himself.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
No, I mean, I'm sure there are other I mean,
you know there's a committee. But at the same time,
I'm sure that committee has a thumb on the scale,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I I just like the Travis Hunter thing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I get as a Heisman winner, you know, like I
get that, But I just don't understand this. And I
would say that the current administration needs to pay a
little bit more attention to their alumni because their alumni
people who laid the groundwork for this program. I get
it that PRIME has resurrected Colorado in terms of national attention. Now,
(18:16):
they haven't been the playoffs yet, so I can't say
they're back. But some of these other teams, some of
other games.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
But you know, yeah, they're they're not champions right now,
right and it's.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not like they haven't been. They certainly had when Alfred
was playing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I mean, they had what they have won national championship.
You know, back then, you have great players back then,
back to Dave playing. Dave was talking about you know,
they had something like emberon with the number of Dave
told me, but it's something like like fifteen players drafted
their first twenty players drafted the first three rounds and
back to back years like that. I mean, it's not
like Colorado hadn't been good before. I get that in
this particular case, coach Prime is helping pull a nascient
(18:48):
program up and certainly put them on the map in
terms of attention. But I don't understand why you're sitting
out here already crowning yourselves in some way by retiring
a jersey from the quarterback who frankly didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Get you to the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I would just saying, really, is it the head coach's
choice to retire there? It's got to be somebody other
than Dion that's doing that too. Hey, I'm sure Dion
has a hand in it, but there are other people
who are making that choice too, So everybody got to
be held to accountable.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I just it was one of the biggest disparities in
terms of you know, the new fans and the new
of it are all, yeah, we're retirable, Yes, that's great,
and then the old, you know, the older people have
been on a while or anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I llascinated that economy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We'll get into that, we'll get into more NFL draft stuff.
I got Steve Attwater here, Grat Smith back there behind
the glasses.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
This is the Broncos Country night. You're on KA. You
know what I've coached Pratt and I had instead of
when I see.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It people do the roast battles and stuff like I
love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I've always been It's always been my thing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I you know, he got me in trouble back
in high school and college and beyond. But you know,
having a smart mouth, But I love doing that stuff.
I think it's like it's funny.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
There are some people that don't take it though, Like
the don't take that well when you do that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They try to give it, but well, yeah they cannot.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You know when you flame something on theirs and they
get that awkward look on their face or whatever. Yeah,
it'd be a basketball Orlando up big on Atlanta. They
started off a little slow, but they're up fifty seven
forty one in that one, so uh yeah, they started
off start off a little slow, and then it came
out hot and then Orlando just turned it on thirty
two to seventeen in the first quarter and then uh
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twenty five to twenty four beat them the second quarter.
Fifty seven to forty one. Like I said, with about
two twenty six left in the first half, there what
it on you? Uh, it's that time of the year
where we get a lot of sports. We got baseball
obviously it started up hockey, which is winding down.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Basketball winding down. Is there any sport that steve that
water prefers to day the others? Football? Man football, Hom's football?
You watch the spring Lee football at all? The UFO?
I don't. I don't. I did a few years ago. Yeah,
but then they had so much turnover as toffy. I'm like,
okayt I.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Think that was the biggest stumbling Now they it looks
like they've at least got some hotinuity going with all that,
but it made it tough for a lot of people
to really sort of get into it. I I watch
those games for the gambling, and I'm did serious because
like I know, like the rosters, like I know who.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Most you know the people. I'm like, this roster is
obviously gonna beat this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's almost like printing money.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Like I'm not gonna lie, like there are some guys
out there degenerates after all, I win, dude, I'm clean
up on the UFL every.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Year gambling problem call text one hundred gambling. Yeah's it's
just got that on.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'll stand by like that. I'm just saying that that's
the one money.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean kind of you know, for all the other
things like baseball still hit or miss or you know, basketball,
that kind of stuff, but the UFL, like, I like, I.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Know those coaches, I know those players.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
They are not beating them.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know, it's kind of odd to talk to you
about that because as a player, I've never been able
to and I've never wanted to gamble on sports.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But to just openly speak about it sounds kind of crazy.
I'm like you said, I mean, I'm looking at you
like that, isn't that illegal?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I mean, but it's not for you, for me, just
kind But when it was still doing it, doing it
off shore, it's funny, like youre talking about it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's funny how many coaches, specifically especially when they're done coaching,
Like there's some that do that, you know though they're
not supposed to be. I'm talking about when they're done,
they missed the like especially guys that used to coordinate,
they missed the hit, they missed the dopamine rush from
calling a play and supposed to start gambling as a
fillid for that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know, I know when they're right, and I yes.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You start putting little you're live betting the play.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You're not. You're doing whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
They because they need that little dopamine hit they used
to get from, you know, in the moment coaching. They
don't get it anymore. There are guys that do that.
It really is kind of a kind of a problem
honestly with some of these guys think you get I know,
they get to a point where I'm like, bro, like
Grant needs to hit you with the gambling sound or
real quick.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Because uh or not.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nope, there's a but it didn't play.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There's a couple of guys out there that my man,
like you need to like dialog back a little bit,
or you gotta go coach some little league or something
or something to get that dopamine hit again.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Because problem buddy man.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So like that's that's sort of the thing I for
me with the game, like it's just it makes something
that like when I do it on football, I'm trying
to guess the outcome and reward myself. When I do
it with other sports I am for me, it like
makes it interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know what I mean, You don't really a sport.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I had no intention of watching the Masters, but I
had a parlay on McElroy and Schffler both finish in
top five, which they did, and so I you know,
I watched it because I was like, all right, I'm
I'm financially now invested in.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So the mass question, over the last.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Three years, have you made more money than you Yes,
you're profited. I can show you like it keeps. I
have a thing that keeps track of wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Okay, gambling apps make him quit betting on certain things
because he hits so often.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, no way. Yeah I'm limited.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I'm either limited or banned for most most apps.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So yes, I win more than that lose. Part of
it is like knowing but I'm in the players.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
But another part of it is knowing how to place
the different bets well right, and knowing when to place them,
knowing how to you know the edges, you know, using
the edges on the lines, and those kinds of things
to give yourself, give yourself slight edges.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's not you know, it's not. It's not as simple
as all, we're just gonna keep doubling it down all
you know. It's not stuff like that, And those are
the guys that get in trouble. And I talk about
parlays all the time, but really that's where you lose
the most most amount of money. I talk about those
things because they're fun. Like I'll put a dollar or
two on some absurd odds, you know, just to see
if I can if I can hit that. But you
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know the reality is if you're going to bet, you
have to be a plus eve better and you've got
to be able to take the little edges you know,
where you know them, and those kinds of things. And
I sometimes in privy to a certain information before it
gets out into the public.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And so I see, you're not supposed to be betting
on those What do you mean you got you got
insider information?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Insider trading? Yeah, catch me. I don't know how to
do on the air. And I'm still telling you cads.
They have they banned me from you know, they they banned.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Me for most of the books.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So I bet we know you know this information. I'm
limited it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I can still bet at DraftKings, I'm limited there. Circus
sports will always take my action just because they'll always
take action. But there's not there's some there's some books
like that I can't. Yeah, I think that's you on
the with the.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's just the ass.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, the ass track all your stuff and so they're like, now, okay,
this guy, I recognize that hair or lack of it.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's flowing pretty.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Good today, you know. But rick Lewis product.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, I started using the haluronic acid. Rick Lewis said,
I think there might be some coverage coming back here.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's telling you, is.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Rick out all your on the show?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Who was talking about you gonna start taking this paluronic
ass and stuff?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So I'm all right, you know, I'll try it because
you know the fitting back there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I started taking it and yeah, it looks like
it's might be.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Thinking you take How is that like a pill or something?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, it's like you know, vitamin C is just a
scorbic acid, right, I'm serious. Hw uronic ass hyuronic acid. Yeah,
you can buy it like something for a car. It
kind of does. It's good for your skin, it's good
for they got it pill form, they got it droppers.
You can put it under your tongue all that kind
of stuff, and the cost on isn't that much. I
(26:19):
mean you could find uh the basic generic went over
there at like Vitamin World for like fourteen bucks for
a bottle. Now you could expend. You can spend a
lot more for like cream. There's like a seventy six
dollars cream that you can get that's supposed to really
work front of your eyes and all that, and started looking.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like a werewoff. Well, I mean, you know I've growing right, yeah,
hair growing up the side of your face or whatever.
It's no, but I mean it does. It makes your
nails grow faster too.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'll say that I'm been clipping my nails that it
observed rate lately, so I guess it works on that regard.
But ironic as yeah, that was that's a rigulous special
hyaluronic acid.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He was like, yeah, that's he's the one. He's like,
if there's some some cure for whatever. I just asked
Rick and he's like, yeah, I got you right. Here's
you to take a combination of this and this and
there you go.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Doctor Lewis that's what I call him. Not really, he's
not really a doctor. Somebody's gonna take that seriously and
might be super upset with me. So a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Here real quick.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Jacob's texting in says, with this year's drafting deep for
running backs and tight ends, and you see the Broncos
double dipping at either position. If so, what position do
you believe, I say, double dipping more than one of
the same position running back? Maybe maybe that's pretty deep
deep class you could you could possibly see that. I
you know, before they signed Ingram, I would say, you know,
I would have said maybe maybe tight end.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I think there.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think they have their eye on any tight end
and I do believe they'll draft one. I don't think
they'll double dip there. I mean there's a couple of
guys out there that you know, they brought some in
for visits.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Obviously, Gunnar, Helmeter and Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Those guys are local. Uh they I think they had
Fanning from Bowling Green End, you know, to visit Mason Taylor,
whose high school coach is now on the Broncos staff,
Brian Needemar.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So there's you know, there's some connections there, and you're still.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Thinking that they could possibly take a tight end in
the first round they could.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I I think running back, I think it's running back
or defensive line, but tight end I think those are
kind of the three. And then trade back. I think
those are kind of the four three four options there.
You know, we'll see a lot of people keep talking
about receiver and the conversations I've had, I just don't
think that's the direction they're going early. They'll draft one,
but I don't think that that's the direction they're going early.
We'll see, we'll see how that shakes up the portable
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CD players. Skip protection was to think every commercial we
got twenty we got forty seconds the skip protection, all
this kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You know, like I said, none of it exist, none.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Of it was standing worth anything, and it was, but
it was It was hilarious how that was like the
uh that was the selling point, you know, that was
the thing that right, So you know, if you listening,
I'll be on the bus trip getting ready to play
a game or whatever. It'd be letting the bush, Yeah, bouncing,
I see him. This is worthless, and so you do
you try to find like ways to like reduce the
(28:55):
the shock motion going on on your on your Yeah,
it was sort of putting backpacks under there.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You try to prop one knee, you got.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
A pillow, sit on your lap. Absolutely, it was around.
It wouldn't move too much. Utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Oh, I said, one of the coolest things man, Because
somebody asked him why he switched from rapping to acting
and it was a while, but it was way back
in the day, and he was like, yeah, nobody wants
to see you know, last thing anybody was to see
is a forty five year old hipster, a forty five
year old gangster out here trying to wrap like you'd
get too old to do it. At some point, it
doesn't resonate, So I had I had to switch to
some el has something else in the back pocket.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He made a work out for it. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It was in some good movies and TV shows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah. Man still takes good care of himself, you know. Yeah,
there's always that dude. Yeah, yeah, he's I met him
in New York one time.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh did you Yeah, I never met him, but that
I was, you know, he was alway like I remember
in height, it was so cool, you know, it's all cool, Jay,
Like it's you know, it was like a thing, you know,
back in the day, and then he was what's that
movie with the Sharks, the Deep Blue Ce remember that
with him and Sam Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jackson, that's crazy boiler alert.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He gets even like twenty minutes and he's given a
he's giving a rousing speech and then his sharks eats him,
like in the middle of the speech. What is this?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah? Oh man? That was That was one of my favorites, Steve.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
As we get closer and closer to the drafted, what
are you hoping the Broncos come away with in this draft?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I'm always winning an interior defensive line. As a defensive player,
I know the destruction that those guys can cause. How
much easier they can make the linebackers job and the
secondary's job if you have one of those dogs and.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Nobody on office and block.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And we saw some of those guys, like you said
with the Eagles, the Eagles defense, those guys were getting
to Patrick Mahomes, disrupting them, disrupting the past, disrupting the run,
and they made a huge difference in them. The guessie,
She's been able to come back in the Super Bowl Game.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Not a lot of people have been talking about defensive
line as a possibility for I know the Broncos, but
I really do believe that it could be. You got
guys out there like Kenneth Grant or Derek Harmon or
Walter Nolan, these defensively big defensive line grants three hundred
forty nine pounds by the way, thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I that out there that really I think, Uh, you
put them out there and you all of a sudden,
that's tied up two offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's two guys got.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You got to take him out of the equation with well,
you use two alignment on one guy and now all
of a sudden, you got a linebackers have a GAF
to shoot.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and along with the other players that we have,
I mean, Jones can come downhill from yeah. And you
know we have a good defensive line now, but that
could be even better.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
If you go you get the depth to rotate them through.
We saw in a Super Bowl how that works.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Set him and wave, send him and wait. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Uh, that's that's the new Uh, at least theoretically, the
new way to beat the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, which
I think they recognize, has to be goal number one.
In order you got to unseat them in the division
if you have bigger aspirations, and they certainly have bigger aspirations.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So, Uh, the one thing we don't have to worry
about quarterback and uh.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's a great feeling to go in the offseason doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Man, it feels so much different this draft, this offseason
has felt so much different not having to worry about
the quarterback position coming in. Are you worried at all
about a sophomore slump with though, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm not just because he's a he's a smart guy.
He works hard. I love his work ethic, and he
wants to get better. You know.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He he doesn't want to let his teammates down, and
he's put the time in and he's continued to do
that now. Uh and I think, uh, I don't think
he'll have a slump at all.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think he'll continue to excel. I look forward to it.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
As we as we get into this season, the Bronco
the sportsbooks who last year were down on the Broncos
had them at like five six wins. This year, they're
protecting the floor at nine. And as for the Broncos,
yet they're not on the seventeen and Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And that's that's the little that's still that's pressure.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, that's pressure.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Halfway there though, we got the we got the books
to get more in line with UH, with reality. I'm
looking forward to this season. I think this is UH
it's gonna be interesting because last year was kind of
a well, we hope bo grows and if we get.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Wins kind of season.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
There's expectations this year and and and I'm interested to
see how these guys rise to that pressure.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And we have a team full of younger guys too,
who last year they have their feet wet a little bit,
and I'm looking for some of those guys to take
some jumps this year and contribute significantly.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Steve.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Was great to see you, get to see you back,
get back hey.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
There, you know, we gotta get Nick back in the
studio here, so we got somebody else to roast instead
of just just usually go ahead.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Can to see buy and we gotta hit a break.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We come back the Ryan Michael from UH the Pro
Football Hall of Fames gonna join us. We'll be back
after this. Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in
the last second of a study part of that, you
go to broadcast Country Night, that com Slage podcast or
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Speaker 2 (33:45):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
See this, This is why I go fishing for the
new episode. I need my jonesin from a fix. I
just gotta ask Grant. He's usually uh, it's like, yeah,
it's gonna be like a you know.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
There two Yeah, musician.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I got to interview and studio c for KBCO got
to sit down with him and have a full length conversation.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Super interesting dude. His name is Tano Jones. Okay, all right.
What kind of music does he play?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Is kind of a kind of folky upbeat, kind of
like uh, you know Michael Fronti and Spearhead, Ye, kind
of that vibe.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They we actually had them and we'll get to ride
Michael in the Ka Common Spiritals hotline here in a second.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Michael Fronti actually played We had a k party uh
got a few years ago over the Soul.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Dove and he was like, we brought him in just
to play a private concert for us.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, he loves Colorado and every time he's here, he
stops in the studio see and he's one of those
people that you know sometimes there's fake happy people, but
that dude is authentic, like always happy, just always in
a good mood, remembers the little things you say to
him the next time you see him after like six months.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Just a non growdy people. I love to hear that.
Five six six zero.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
The text line real quick Pat from Monument said, I
would like to bettle myself wreck and control what I do.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Talk about me.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I was actually talking about coaches that after they leave football,
he bet to still get that high, so they don't
make to make bets on what other people do. I
guess I'm too controlling in that way. As far as
missing the game, I'm sixty five years old. I missed
the contact, like hitting people out the contact in the
sports sens. I would say that's probably what Nick Ferguson
misses the most. Yes, I'm I missing the locker room dude,
like the camaraderie. That's what I Between that and the army,
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there's a different sort of like brotherhoods breed, a core
kind of thing that comes from that, And I would
say that that's what I missed the most, so I
agree anyway, without brother too, Let's get out.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
To the KWA commentator the hot line.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm bringing on our good Boddy, Ryan Michael at the
Ryan Michael on Twitter, contributor at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame and coach coaching analysts in the European League
of Football.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Right, how you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Doing well? Then? Grant, how are you.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Guys doing pretty well?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Last week we jumped in.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
The DeLorean, took al a ride the time machined and
talked about the two thousand and five Denver Broncos. We're
gonna go forward a little bit closer to home this time,
talk about twenty thirteen, a year with some really high
highs before sort of getting thrashed by the Seahawks and
Super Bowl forty eight. What do you remember most about
the twenty thirteen Denver Broncos.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
First and foremost, and feeling pretty old because the fact
that it's been twelve years, it certainly doesn't feel like
twelve years.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And so the.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Distance between when Trend Dilfer won a Super Bowl and
when we had that high flying offense in twenty thirteen
at the same distance from them now, so Obviously, when
we're talking about the twenty thirteen Denver Broncos, we're talking
about the NFL's most prolific offense. They scored six hundred
and six points, the most in NFL history. Sayton Manning
set single season records for passing yardage five four hundred
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and seventy seven fifty five touchdown passes. These are numbers
that most people in Broncos country are familiar with. But
as we're looking back twelve years since it happened, I
have some numbers to share that might not be common
knowledge even here in Denver. And so that season has
aged very very well from both a statistical and a
historical standpoint.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The defensive side of the ball, we were quite the
defense that we became.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Two years later, we're winning Super Bowl fifteen.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
But what are you from remember about the twenty thirteen
Broncos defense.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It's a good question, because the twenty thirteen Broncos defense
couldn't be any less similar to the twenty fifteen unit
that ended up winning US a Super Bowl. They finished
the season ranked twenty second in points per games surrendered,
And to give you an idea of just how difficult
it is to win games, when you have a defense
that's ranked that low. Forty nine of the fifty nine
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teams to win a Super Bowl have finished with a
scoring defense ranked in the top eight. Tom Brady's won
seven Super Bowls, Terry Bradshaw four, Joe Montana for Troy
Eightman three. I believe that's eighteen different championships. Every single
one of those championships had a top eight defense, So
there is a strong correlation when it comes to dominant
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defenses and winning championships. It's difficult to win games, and
so the twenty second ranked Denver Broncos defense is the
lowest ranked unit in the history of the National Football
League to win thirteen or more regular season games and
a conference championship. As a matter of fact, there are
only two teams in NFL history ranked outside of the
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top twenty to win twelve or more regular season games
and a conference championship. Both two of those units had
Peyton Manning on the other side of the football, the
two thousand and six Indianapolis Colts ranked twenty third and
the twenty thirteen den Verbroncos ranked twenty second. We didn't
have Von Miller for the majority of the season, and
by the time we got the Super Bowl forty eight,
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we had a Paris Lennon who was an XFL alumni
in the starting lineup, and so not quite the No.
Five zone that we saw on twenty fifteen, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Tyler Ryan Michael at v Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You know, twenty thirteen I think is famous for Peyton
Manning throwing fifty five touchdowns that year, and at the time,
we'd really just started entering the Golden Age of passing.
I mean we probably entered it five to six years
before when we were starting to hit the zenus. I
think of that people talking about that record is living
on borrow time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But eleven years the past, it still stands.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We have a seventeen game season and no one outside
of maybe twenty eighteen Mahomes has really even come close,
and he was he only had fifty for that season.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
How do you explain that we've added a game.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
To the schedule and we still aren't having anybody come
come within ten touchdowns of this thing?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But one time in the last eleven years.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Well, with respect to all of the good and great
quarterbacks in the NFL today outside of Patrick Mahomes, I
would say that the overall caliber quarterback play at the
very top, talking top five of the league during any
given era was stronger. Back then you had Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and those were just
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the top four. There were a number of future Hall
of Fame quarterbacks who would have come after those guys.
And so we don't have Peyton Manning in the NFL anymore.
We don't have Tom Brady, Drew Brees and these guys.
And so when Pat Mahomes threw fifty in twenty eighteen,
that time had Tom Brady's two thousand and seven for
the second highest mark in NFL history, it's an absolutely
absurd number. When Drew Brees threw forty six touchdowns in
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twenty eleven, no one was talking about him actually being
close to Brady's mark at the time, which was fifty.
And so Pat Mahomes throwing fifty really isn't close to
fifty five when you consider just how dominant you have
to be to get anywhere close to a number like that.
Peyton Manning said after the twenty thirteen season, and I
quote Brady will probably break it next year or the
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year after. So we'll enjoy it as long as it lasts,
and so that was the expectation at the time. Nobody
came anywhere close. Tom Brady threw forty three and led
the league in a seventeen game season in twenty twenty one.
And just when you look at the statistical impossibility of
reaching fifty five, you're talking about averaging nearly four touchdowns
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every single game. And when you dig a little bit
deeper into the numbers than the number fifty five is
even more impressive than the raw number fifty five if
you adjusted it for ERA and you account for the
fact that pet Manning set out the entire second half
of the season finale against the Raiders. Adjusted for ERA,
that would be a six thousand passing yard season, sixty
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touchdowns in seventeen games. What many people may not remember
is that Peyton Manning injured both two of his ankles
a third of the way through the season. So if
you look at his numbers weeks one through five, he
completed seventy six percent of his passes for eight hundred
eighty four yards, twenty touchdowns, and one pick. If you
adjusted that rate when he was air quotes healthy, and
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I don't think Peyton Manning was ever truly healthy by
the time he came back from his neck injury, but
air quotes healthy that over a seventeen game stretch would
have been six thousand, four hundred and sixty yards, sixty
eight touchdowns, and three interceptions. Now, obviously that's a piece
that would be impossible to hold up the matter how
healthy a quarterback is. Peyton Manning dipped in the middle
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of the year week six through twelve. By the time
he reached week thirteen, he threw nineteen touchdown passes the
three interceptions to close out the season. That rate by
itself in the final five games would have amounted to
sixty five touchdown passes over a seventeen game season. So
to get anywhere close to fifty, let alone fifty five,
you need to be averaging nearly four touchdown passes a game.
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If you have an off week and you throw one,
you got to have a seven touchdown performance the next
week just to get back on pace. It's a virtually
impossible number to touch.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, I mean it is obscenely absurd.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I mean when you go back and you look at
this number and the fact that, like I said, it's
been over a decade we haven't had but two guys
come within ten touchdowns of that, and we've expanded the schedule.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
It is an absolutely mind mind blowing number.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Betty was great in twenty thirteen, but he had a
smorgasbord of weapons at his disposal. What about that unit
as a whole. I mean you go back and you look.
What about the run game, the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
What about it?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
I mean you look at an NFL record, five different
players produced ten or more touchdowns, took the skill position,
the late great Damarius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. The
thing to know about Wes Welker. In his first eight
games with Peyton Manning, he tied his career high in
touchdown receptions. And he's a guy who played with Tom
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Brady at the peak of Tom Brady's power. Julius Thomas
No Sean Moreno was the fifth one, and so you
look at those numbers et alone, ninety two receptions for
one four hundred and thirty yards. He was putting up
numbers that were on par with Calvin Johnson and Larry
Fitzgerald in their crimes. So there was only so much
the defenses could take away because if you lock down DP,
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it's going to go to Decker. If you lock down Decker,
it's going to Welker in the slot. There's just too
many weapons at Manning's disposal. In Manning, although physically certainly
not the quarterback he was prior to the neck injury,
had mastered the mental component of the game in a
way that has been un rival And the fact that
he put up those numbers even despite the physical limitations
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coming back from that neck injury, playing through those two
ankle injuries in twenty thirteen, it's absolutely remarkable that he
was able to produce.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Tommy with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter.
A lot of things went wrong for the Broncos in
Super Bowl forty eight. It's tough to take a bigger
punch to the face than forty.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Three to eight.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
But should that game mean anything for Peyton Manning's legacy.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
It should. I mean, he played in four Super Bowls.
It's amazing to think that Peyton Manning reached his many
Super Bowls as Joe Montana, you know, obviously had a
two and two record and not the perfect four and
oh had he toppled the mighty legion of Boom and
that two thy thirteen Seattle Seahawks defense. You have to
give them all the credit in the world. They were
another animal entirely. They're the best defense that I saw
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the entire decade. And even though the twenty fourteen team
also led the league in points per game surrendered. After
Super Bowl forty nine, Tom Brady got the car pieces
three members of the Legion of Doom who required surgery
after the end of that season. So the twenty Fourteentheyawks
weren't quite the twenty thirteen Seahawks. It's a black eye.
There's really no cleaning up forty three to eight. I
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will add that Payton Manning if you include the two
point conversion, completed seventy percent of his passes. He then
Super Bowl record thirty four completions. Nobody cares because the
game wasn't close, But in the second half his numbers
weren't too bad. The split in the second half, as
he completed seventeen to twenty six, one hundred and seventy
six yards, one touchdown, one two point conversion, no interceptions,
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of passer rating just under one hundred. It was too little,
too late, and he was never able to test and
deep whatsoever. So it's certainly a black eye on his resume.
But given the context of what happened in that game,
a snapovers head for a safety on the first play
of the game, Percy Harvin returned to kick eighty seven
yards for a touchdown to start the second half. The
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Broncos defense didn't touch Russell Wilson, didn't not just sack
the entire game, not a turn were the entire games.
So it was a team loss. It certainly wasn't Manning's
best team. How much of a black eye to his legacy.
I certainly don't think it was more underwhelming than what
we saw out of Pat Mahomes last year. So even
the great ones have underwhelming performances.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah, and I mean there's got to be something to
getting there in the first place, at least in my book.
Tyler Ron Michael, Where should the twenty eight thirteen Broncos
rank amongst the best teams at Broncos history.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
That's a really good question. I'm tempted to say that
they shouldn't be part of the top three. Obviously, you
have the greatest offense, in my opinion, in the history
of the National Football League, let alone Bronco's history. And
if you look at point differential, believe it or not,
the twenty thirteen Broncos ranked number one in franchise history.
They were plus two hundred and seven points. Second place
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is the twenty twelve unit. They were plus one ninety two.
They were tied to the ninety eight Broncos also plus
one ninety two. Ninety seven Broncos were plus one eighty five.
Nick Ferguson's two thousand and five Broncos that we talked
about last week us one thirty seven. So if you
look at just how much the offense over achieved, you
could certainly say they were amongst the top. In my opinion,
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I think the twenty twelve then ver Broncos were better.
They were an elite offense and an elite defense. You
need that plus some breaks to win a championship. It
didn't come together for US in twenty thirteen, but I
would say winning a conference championship, knocking off Brady and
Belichick in another AFC championship game, Pate man and cut
it four hundred yards against Bill Belichick's top ten defense.
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We accomplished some great things that year. It wasn't the
ultimate goal, but the twenty thirteen Broncos have to be
near the top, although I wouldn't quite put them in
the number one spot.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
You talked a little bit about, you know, Pat Mahomes'
performance and what that would do to his legacy in
terms of the you know, the down things. She had
an interesting tweet, you know, out there was I guess
it was earlier today, and it said twenty twenty two
is rough, but it could be argued that Russell Wilson
played at a higher level than Pat mchall Homes in
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twenty twenty three, one of the most underrated quarterback seasons
of the decade.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 6 (48:05):
So what I meant by that is Patrick Mahomes was
a bottom of the top ten, just outside the top
ten statistical quarterback in twenty twenty two. Obviously, Travis Kelsey
wasn't exactly who he was three or four years before
that point in time, but he had the support of
an elite defensive unit. I believe Kansas City finished second
in the NFL and points per game surrender that year,
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and so Mahomes had the support of a winning organization
and an elite defense, and he had the opportunity to
come through in moments that matter. If you look at
overtime of that Super Bowl, and there's nobody who can
deny how well he played there. But I think that
fans and analysts have to remind themselves for a quarterback
to have the opportunity to come through air quotes when
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it matters the most, they have to be propped up
and facilitated by a team scenario that allows them to
have that shot. The twenty twenty two Denver Broncos were
not a competitive football team, but Russell Wilson led the
AFC in touchdown pass percentage. I believe his passer rating
was higher than Mahomes. I think he was one touchdown
behind Mahomes in terms of raw production, but he attempted
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one hundred or fewer passes. I don't have the numbers
right in front of me, But to do that with
a Denver Broncos offense that was certainly not the twenty
thirteen unit that we're talking about, I would make the
argument that that year is one of the most underrated
quarterback seasons of the decade. Don't misinterpret that to mean
that I think it was a great season. I don't
think it was a great season. I don't think he
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was a top five quarterback. He might have been bottom
of the top ten, just outside of the top ten himself.
But team support makes all the difference.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
And for whatever reason, because I suspect the trade overall
certainly didn't work in our favor, we're blessed with Bonnicks now.
I think there are a lot of fans who are
salty about how everything went down with Russell Wilson. I
don't think that's grounds to underrate what he did well.
I'm all for criticizing his twenty twenty two season, but
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that doesn't mean that we need to overlook just how
well he played in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Appreciated as always, Ryan, Maybe next week, since we're talking
about bon Nicks and everything, maybe we can get some
data on quarterbacks making a leap in your two and
maybe taking a slide sophomore slump in your two.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Get some good data on all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Sounds good, but absolute brother, All right, look forward to
talking to you next week. Appreciate you as always, Ryan
Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter, contributor at the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and of course a football
analyst in the European Football League as well.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
We always appreciate getting a chance to have him on.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Get you know, he deep guys into the data forces,
so we don't have to go fish all these numbers out.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
He goes and gets all these numbers for us.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Makes it a lot easier for us, and I always
certainly appreciate him taking the time to jump on here
and break all this stuff down. Differences between the twenty
four two, twenty five, twenty thirteen teams Colorad Rockies, Baseball
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Chicks take the lawnfall
Steve at Water, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's uh? What's uh?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Fresh back from totoing it blessing the rains down in Africa.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What's going on? Man? Hey, not much, not much. Happy
to be back.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very It was weird when you came in and you
like undraped an American flag from around yourself and everything.
This is as patreonic. I've never seen Steve at Water man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
It was always yeah, definitely gonna have to be man
Gras Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Back there behind the glassboard, the full look at this,
the full beard, the ball captain.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He looks like he just got done bail it. Hay.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
He looks like every dude I know got an Arkansas
minus the flower vans.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, I can see the shoes. I can't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He's got flower shoes on to set the the outfit
off instead of you know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Listen to the you know, just going back to my
roots of Southeast Ohio. Please kick her boots but make
it pop a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, there we go, say like it looks like it listen,
looks like to every dude I went to high school with,
right now, you look like the before version they put
on weight after you know, i'd want.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Too many beers.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
But you look like the before ers like every day
I went to high school with right now he came.
I saw him at the corner of my eye when
he when he came in earlier, and I was like, oh,
you know, I was like, this is flashing back to
you know, being out there in Loan Oak, Arkansas. For
a minute, I was like looking for the fishboat going
the bill.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I had one back in the door, just saying so you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Could still see the import on my Tim Jenkins hat
where I had.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The fishmook. You never have a fish shock on your hat, Steve.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Never never had a fishing what's the fish fish shook
on the hat for?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's just did you fishing nook? Right there? You pulled
off tied up? You know you always prepared to go fishing. Well,
I knew when I was going fishing. I planned for it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, I wouldn't just like on the way I'm like
walking around my baseball cap on h I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
A that's because you never lived in the delta off
and go fishing. I used to.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was a half mile walk from the bayou.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know at my house it was a half mile
walk from the bayou. So you know, I ain't never know,
just might I might have you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
From the bayou by you buy.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Your needle, that was the the one that was closer, said,
we pull the gator out of there once, a little
four footer pot pulled the gator out of the one. Okay,
let me let me tell the real story. I said,
we pulled the gate out of there. We ran over
an alligator that tried to crawl out of there, you know,
onto the onto the road or whatever, and we ran
over it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That's really happened. I'll give you the truthful story.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Four foot it's nice. I mean it was wasn't huge,
but it was. It had been there a while, so
I was like, oh, okay, and it's the same lake.
We're just all trapsing around in barefoot, you know, I
say lake is it was?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean it was as by you as by you
could be.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Whatever your pictiononary in your head right now, with like
the weird roots and the tree coming up and all
in the moss everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It was swamp. Yes, Yes, it was absolutely.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
That's what I've never understood about the people in the South,
Like they'll just be in the water and Florida and
Arkansas and they'll be alligators shown.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
No, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that's that's the least your problems.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
They said, you got the cotton miles down there, you
got the copper heads some of the places, you got
rattlesnakes to On top of all that, the state bird
is the mosquitos are out as big as her hands.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm just saying, man, like it's you know, you drive.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It was funny because, like you know, I'm go hang
out in the rock and drive back to Launo at
night and it should be driving sundown.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You'd be driving back and it sounded.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Like machine gun fire was hitting your car with all
the bugs hit the windshield in the front, you know, as.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You were committing in ches a side on the way home. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I remember one of my buddies, he was part of Arkansas,
he lived in but we went to visit his family
right one of the holidays. Man, those mosquities were hitting
at once old day the pop and you know Stuttgart
Art Yeah stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, so that's like ten minutes from where I lived.
It's to Stuttgart, by the way, is the duck hunting
capital of the world. When Peyton Mannon goes duck hunts,
he goes down to Stuttgart arts as the rice capitol
over A lot of your rice comes from there, Dude.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had never seen mosquitos that big.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, they were hitting when they were hitting the wind, shoot,
I thought they were like birds, like.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We yeah, we running the birds.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But it sounds like, yeah, that's struck.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's about that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's about twenty five minutes south of where where I
grew up.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So yeah, right there. We used play them in football.
I mean they were at our conference. We used to
play them football.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So yeah, it's uh, that was Kip. Believe you've been
down here.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So you've been to Stuttgart's Stuckgart is the duck hunting
capital of the world. People come from all over to
go duck hunting down there. Wow, it is a celebrity.
Like they fly to this little you know, the fly
of a little airstrip that's out there, and to be
all these celebrities think you're.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like what in all places? Yeah, Stuttgart, Arkansas? Hey, who
would have know?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And now you know, now other people here know the
one to go duck hunting now you know. Uh, Steve,
we got the NFL Draft coming up. What was it
like for you in the weeks leading up to the
NFL Draft. Were you stressed about it at all? Are
you working out, trying to you know, trying to do it,
last minute meetings with teams? I mean, what what was
the what was the run up to the NFL Draft
those final weeks like for Steve at War Yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was kind of calm, you know, once you get
done with all the workouts, you know, when you go
to when the when the teams come to your college
to work. But these back then, I'm sure it's probably
different now, highly industrialized now, but yeah, and a lot
of guys go and visit teams that are interested in
now versus back back in the day. I know, I
didn't take any visits to any teams prior to the draft,
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and yeah, I just tried to stay in shape, tried
to keep a positive attitude, and I was hoping that
I would go as high as possible. And I think
everybody's doing that. Everybody who has a chance of getting
drafted is hoping that, hey they're a top ten pick,
but you know, only ten guys can be there, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
But I mean, you didn't have nerves or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Family, you know, like any.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Anything not really not really because now, although I did
invite my family down, we were at my this is
my girlfriend at the time, my wife. Now, we were
at my wife's apartment in Little Rock, and we invited
my family down for it. And I didn't know if
I was going to get drafted on day one or not.
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You know, you're here heard some rumors. Yeah, I may
go on day one, but I was just hoping I
got drafted on that first day anytime.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, we're and.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is a personal interest question. We're else was your
wife's apartment Little Rock? I have no idea. I can't
remember back then. Ask real question.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm just gotta you know. I was actually curious. I
am to Steve's house. What's that she came to Steve's house.
She just said he was in his wife's department, her
future wife's department. I'm saying she came over to his house.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Right, he just said he was in his future wife's apartment.
Never mind, Okay, I know what you're saying. I'm like,
I'm I don't get it. Look easiest need to do.
I this is a classic case of Grant How smart
I gus all, he's probably got a witty a witty
rep back. There were sitting here like, yeah, computer, it's
uh five six six nine zeroes a text line because
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I've talked to you goodness after Over the last fiften years,
probably talked to hundreds of guys who were sitting there,
some of whom knew they were going day one, uh,
some knew they weren't going day one, and I there
were very few that weren't nervous. A lot of them
trying to put on a put on an act like
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they weren't nervous. But there are very few over the
last decade and a half that I've talked to in
the in the run up, in the in those weeks
leading up, that weren't nervous.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And you could tell by the questions they asked me.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They'd be like, what are you hearing? You know what
you get?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And I'm like, oh, okay, you're trying to Yeah, it's
it's a It's a fascinating thing for me because it's
it's it's a workplaces, it's your future that almost nobody
goes through.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Nobody goes through.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Professionals, you know, you know the financial analysts coming out
of Harvard and Yale or they're lining up for the
Berkshire halfaway draft for these guys. You know where the
gold and Sack's gonna get me? You know that kind
of like it's the one kind of thing where it's
dependent on I mean in and in a lot of
cases it's still businesses choosing you, but it really is
them literally choose lining up to choose you in certain ways,
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and you're sort of locked into that. It's a fascinating
sort of labor market thing. I guess that that that
I see. Would you be in favor of abolishing the
draft at all? Somebody brought this up, and I thought
it was an interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Uh, and what will be the replacement?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Teams can line up to offer rookies whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You just go to the highest binder.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean, they gotta still fit it under the
Sowery cap. But teams can line up to bid whatever
they want.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's crazy. I don't like that. You don't like them, no, because.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
More than likely the teams that are winning, they'll probably
have a little bit more money.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You know, it just has a franchise.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think it'd be the other way. You just win
the Super Bowl, you got to pay everybody. Now you
got less money. You know, look at the teams that
have money this year, or New England and Cleveland and
they don't want anything.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
But you think about the worst teams in the league,
they were the worst teams.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Who's talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
England? They had their run, They've had their run.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, now you know, like at the least amount of money,
like Kansas City and Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What happened they won? Yeah, well, but I still would
think that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
If if that were the situation where they just line up,
I don't think that it would solve the problem that
I think this draft tries to solve in terms of
better players going to the worst teams and having a
little bit of you know, well, that's what the.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
The NFL tries to do is create a parity around
the league that you know that everything gets equal and
the bad teams have the opportunity to improve and those
kinds of things. The NBA has kind of butchered that
a little bit with the lottery, and you know, you
get some some weird stuff with that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But you know, I sort of I like the idea
of the draft because.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It does it enforces parody, enforces the good players go
to bad teams, and then helps you know, hopefully drag
them u out of it, unless you're the Browns and
you just continue drafting players that can't do that.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Because like the best players weren't likely they're used to winning.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They want to go to the great teams, right, everybody
wants to win. Yeah, nobody gets into football. Yeah, you know,
not really mas as long as they get my tackles. Total,
I don't really care for it or not. Nobody gets
into nobody gets into it for that. But I mean,
like that is one of those things where I, you know,
I look at this and like, Okay, so this is
an unfair labor practice in the sense that you don't
get to pick where you want to go, and you
don't get to deny it because then you you're out
for a year.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But at the same time, he commensated well for it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, but I mean yeah, and at the same time,
the mechanism does keep the league interesting and doesn't allow
it to tilt off its axis with good treat and
good teams just destroyed everybody all the time that have
the most money.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Like in baseball. Mm hmm, that's a good moment.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Just say five six, six nine zeros text line, you
guys want to get involved in the conversation. Hall of
Famer Steve Attwater here with me. Got quite a few
text messages coming in. I'll read this one real quick.
It's actually lengthy. It says, man, I feel like corner
is being overlooked as a position. We could use an upgrade.
At Sean Payton Saints would be four times in round
one during his tenure, and during George Payton's time in Minnesota,
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they drafted a corner seven times in the first three rounds.
It'll be a dream to have Will Johnson opposite PS
two if he somehow fell to twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'll spoil that one for you. He won't.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But if Johati Barron were available in the event Marian
Hampton was gone already, would deadver.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Not consider him for the pick.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It seemed like an elite chess piece to add to
an already get secondary. Although Abram's drain looked promising, Millions
played well, we've seen us get picked apart a bit
in the secondaries once injuries started to strike. And he's
referring to late last season. Obviously by the boss got
hurt or tang got hurt. I would say this, I
do believe that the Broncos will add a corner, probably
in the draft first round. Yeah, I don't think it'll
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be early, and I would suggest it's probably going to
be like a slot corner, I think, if you know,
I think they were I think they like the way
that that Sartan and Moss played. I think they were
a little bit underwhelmed with mcmillion at times, and I
think that maybe they may look for an upgrade in
that slot.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In that slot position.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
We've seen how much attention they pay to safety over
the last couple of years. Yeah, you've had it, who
fat Brandon Jones through through a free agency. You just
add the other kids from Carolina's mostly a special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They got. The safety room's kind of crowded. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They might have to figure out something to do with Turner,
Yell and Key and Skinner and in those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
There's a lot a lot of competition in that room,
and a competition hopefully they'll bring out the best in
each of those guys and we'll see who's standing at
the end.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, that and that'll be the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think think that that's what they're trying to do
is create competition at every level of position and if
you raise the floor, it perpetually will push the ceiling
up right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's the and the entire team will.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Get better if you have every position, you got guys
competing versus the guys coming in and say, oh yeah
I got this, I got just sewed up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, And that's the thing because if you know, that's
what happens if you get complacent sometimes and sometimes competition.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Makes better people and players out of us.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
All.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think you got to have to depth, yeah, dept Well,
and that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I think. I believe that they're going to draw some
defensive linemen. I would love that. I think they need to.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think they've recognized internally watching that Super Bowl what
Philadelphia DIDs and then those big fellows and waves made
everybody else that much better. They were able to get
that disruption, especially late in the game, and I think
they they realized that, you know, Philadelphia is onto something here,
and maybe if we have a deeper rotation of bodies
that are able to get after the quarterback or at
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least tie up those blockers so our linebackers can get
after the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
They'll be the or for it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So I think there's guys like Nolan at Ole, Miss
Harmon at Oregon that that are early on guys that
could potentially be in that conversation for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
One of the interior defensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, I'm talking about what would normally in a forty three,
what would be a defensive tackle in thirty four, it's
more of an end, you know, not necessarily a nose tackle, but.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
You know, more of a guy right there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, those tweeters, DeMarcus Walker type guys.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Not now he went outside, but it was, you know,
but I think they're looking for some big body three
five tech type guys that can tie up blockers and
they can keep sending those bodies out in waves to
wear down offensive linemen and then then you can start
to send your uh you know, you got Nick Bodito
coming off the edge, you got Coop coming off the edge,
Yells coming off the edge, Sanders coming downhill from linebacker.
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You know green Law who's not really not really a
shoot the gap linebacker. He's more of a sideline the
sideline or going away from the ball guy, but he
can at times and has at times.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Is Drew Sanders is going to be inside?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They moved him inside so I like, I like that movie.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
We're gonna that's gonna be some good, good competition there
as well.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now he'll still be a downhill guy, but he'll be
coming in from from the inside there instead off the edge,
which I think is a better fit for him.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
He'll be in that kind of that Todd Davis role.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
If you remember when Advance was was here as head
coach and Todd Davis used to line up in that
inside backer, but he was really a downhill guy. That's
what Drew Sanders will wind up doing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He'll occasionally go away from the ball and do a
little sideline of sideline, but his job mostly will be, Hey,
they tied up my blockers. Now I'm shooting the gap.
Yeah he got he got hurt last year. But he
looks he looks good. I've seen him a round the facility. Man,
he's looking good. He looked like a baller, Yeah he's
I mean, he looks the part. He has a Tookie
mini camp. He looked like he looked like the star
(14:40):
of the show. When he first got here, you were like,
my goodness, that guy, how did he wait on the
third round? And then he just hasn't been able to
put it on the all together on the field there
yet at the NFL level, Well, hopefully this will be
the year for him, but yeah, you don't have forever
in the NFL. No, and he'll get to this year.
Is that kind of the opportunity year? You know when
you get once you get to your your two year three,
that's you're in the opportunity years.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So that'll be that'll be a interest.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't know if you saw this or not, but uh,
University of Colorado and they were talking about OKAO sports
a little bit. Uh, they're retiring the numbers for Travis
Hunter and shaduor Sanders and Travis Hunter. I gat he
just want the heisman. Uh you know all that kind
of stuff, retiring the number. Yeah, the University of Colorado
is going to be retired this weekend. Friend, they ever
retired another Yeah, they retired like they have three or
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four in school history. But you know, I mean this
is Travis Hunter again.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You want the heisman?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know all that I get Schadoor Sanders is thirteen
eleven as a starter. What was here for two years
the same as Travis. But didn't you know, win anything?
Never won a Bowl game? I there's the divide between
the former players and alumni at Colorado and the current
administration and fans is pretty stark because there a sense
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that like former players, like, what are you doing retiring
his number? I've been waiting twenty years, you know that
kind of stuff, and who decided on it? Though I
would imagine his father would have decided on that. Well, man,
nothing happens without his say. So are you like, is.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your was your number retired in college?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Is your college number retired?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No? College number? NFL number? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You're in the Hall of Fame and they don't have
your number retired. Maybe we're gonna talk somedit, But think
my Little Leaue number. Meanwhile, somebody Smith over here has
got his Little League number retired. There we go, multiple
multiple supporters, multiple sports. Yeah you have to you have
to go back into the ceremony every year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
The Yeah, I'm usually the keynote speaker, you know, right,
the Cincinnati hornet.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Right, they make him wear a Bengal jacket. I mean,
but that's what I was saying, like college numbers retired.
I mean, you already have a limited number set of
numbers to work with. You got like ninety plus man
rosters at the collegiate level, which means you're doubling up
numbers somewhere already.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like? What did Shdoor Sanders do that you would say
is worthy of retiring his number?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I didn't see. Obviously, he's a great player.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Uh I.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Didn't see.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, that type of performance though to where it warrants
a Jersey being retired. But maybe it's the signal of
the change that that they started last year. And you know,
I know everybody's hoping that that's gonna going to continue.
They're going to continue to get better as a team
and uh, you know, continue to compete.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean, I'm telling me wrong. I hope that they do.
I am understand. Yeah, it's a whole different thing to retire.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Jersey, Right if you retire in Door Sanders Jersey after
two seasons in Colorado in which they got to one
bowl game that wasn't in the playoffs and lost that too,
I mean, I don't I don't understand that one.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, Well, it all depends on who's making the decisions.
And I'm sure Dion had something to do with it,
but he I know, he's not making that decision by himself.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
No, I mean, I'm sure there are other I mean,
you know there's a committee. But at the same time,
I'm sure that committee has a thumb on the scale,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I I just like the Travis Hunter thing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I get as a Heisman winner, you know, like I
get that, But I just don't understand this. And I
would say that the current administration needs to pay a
little bit more attention to their alumni because their alumni
people who laid the groundwork for this program. I get
it that PRIME has resurrected Colorado in terms of national attention. Now,
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they haven't been the playoffs yet, so I can't say
they're back. But some of these other teams, some of
other games.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
But you know, yeah, they're they're not champions right now,
right and it's.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not like they haven't been. They certainly had when Alfred
was playing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I mean, they had what they have won national championship.
You know, back then, you have great players back then,
back to Dave playing. Dave was talking about you know,
they had something like emberon with the number of Dave
told me, but it's something like like fifteen players drafted
their first twenty players drafted the first three rounds and
back to back years like that. I mean, it's not
like Colorado hadn't been good before. I get that in
this particular case, coach Prime is helping pull a nascient
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program up and certainly put them on the map in
terms of attention. But I don't understand why you're sitting
out here already crowning yourselves in some way by retiring
a jersey from the quarterback who frankly didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Get you to the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I would just saying, really, is it the head coach's
choice to retire there? It's got to be somebody other
than Dion that's doing that too. Hey, I'm sure Dion
has a hand in it, but there are other people
who are making that choice too, So everybody got to
be held to accountable.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I just it was one of the biggest disparities in
terms of you know, the new fans and the new
of it are all, yeah, we're retirable, Yes, that's great,
and then the old, you know, the older people have
been on a while or anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I llascinated that economy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We'll get into that, we'll get into more NFL draft stuff.
I got Steve Attwater here, Grat Smith back there behind
the glasses.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
This is the Broncos Country night. You're on KA. You
know what I've coached Pratt and I had instead of
when I see.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It people do the roast battles and stuff like I
love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I've always been It's always been my thing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I you know, he got me in trouble back
in high school and college and beyond. But you know,
having a smart mouth, But I love doing that stuff.
I think it's like it's funny.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
There are some people that don't take it though, Like
the don't take that well when you do that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They try to give it, but well, yeah they cannot.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You know when you flame something on theirs and they
get that awkward look on their face or whatever. Yeah,
it'd be a basketball Orlando up big on Atlanta. They
started off a little slow, but they're up fifty seven
forty one in that one, so uh yeah, they started
off start off a little slow, and then it came
out hot and then Orlando just turned it on thirty
two to seventeen in the first quarter and then uh
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twenty five to twenty four beat them the second quarter.
Fifty seven to forty one. Like I said, with about
two twenty six left in the first half, there what
it on you? Uh, it's that time of the year
where we get a lot of sports. We got baseball
obviously it started up hockey, which is winding down.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Basketball winding down. Is there any sport that steve that
water prefers to day the others? Football? Man football, Hom's football?
You watch the spring Lee football at all? The UFO?
I don't. I don't. I did a few years ago. Yeah,
but then they had so much turnover as toffy. I'm like,
okayt I.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Think that was the biggest stumbling Now they it looks
like they've at least got some hotinuity going with all that,
but it made it tough for a lot of people
to really sort of get into it. I I watch
those games for the gambling, and I'm did serious because
like I know, like the rosters, like I know who.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Most you know the people. I'm like, this roster is
obviously gonna beat this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's almost like printing money.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Like I'm not gonna lie, like there are some guys
out there degenerates after all, I win, dude, I'm clean
up on the UFL every.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Year gambling problem call text one hundred gambling. Yeah's it's
just got that on.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'll stand by like that. I'm just saying that that's
the one money.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean kind of you know, for all the other
things like baseball still hit or miss or you know, basketball,
that kind of stuff, but the UFL, like, I like, I.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Know those coaches, I know those players.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
They are not beating them.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know, it's kind of odd to talk to you
about that because as a player, I've never been able
to and I've never wanted to gamble on sports.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But to just openly speak about it sounds kind of crazy.
I'm like you said, I mean, I'm looking at you
like that, isn't that illegal?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I mean, but it's not for you, for me, just
kind But when it was still doing it, doing it
off shore, it's funny, like youre talking about it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's funny how many coaches, specifically especially when they're done coaching,
Like there's some that do that, you know though they're
not supposed to be. I'm talking about when they're done,
they missed the like especially guys that used to coordinate,
they missed the hit, they missed the dopamine rush from
calling a play and supposed to start gambling as a
fillid for that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know, I know when they're right, and I yes.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You start putting little you're live betting the play.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You're not. You're doing whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
They because they need that little dopamine hit they used
to get from, you know, in the moment coaching. They
don't get it anymore. There are guys that do that.
It really is kind of a kind of a problem
honestly with some of these guys think you get I know,
they get to a point where I'm like, bro, like
Grant needs to hit you with the gambling sound or
real quick.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Because uh or not.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nope, there's a but it didn't play.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There's a couple of guys out there that my man,
like you need to like dialog back a little bit,
or you gotta go coach some little league or something
or something to get that dopamine hit again.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Because problem buddy man.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So like that's that's sort of the thing I for
me with the game, like it's just it makes something
that like when I do it on football, I'm trying
to guess the outcome and reward myself. When I do
it with other sports I am for me, it like
makes it interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know what I mean, You don't really a sport.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I had no intention of watching the Masters, but I
had a parlay on McElroy and Schffler both finish in
top five, which they did, and so I you know,
I watched it because I was like, all right, I'm
I'm financially now invested in.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So the mass question, over the last.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Three years, have you made more money than you Yes,
you're profited. I can show you like it keeps. I
have a thing that keeps track of wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Okay, gambling apps make him quit betting on certain things
because he hits so often.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, no way. Yeah I'm limited.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I'm either limited or banned for most most apps.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So yes, I win more than that lose. Part of
it is like knowing but I'm in the players.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
But another part of it is knowing how to place
the different bets well right, and knowing when to place them,
knowing how to you know the edges, you know, using
the edges on the lines, and those kinds of things
to give yourself, give yourself slight edges.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's not you know, it's not. It's not as simple
as all, we're just gonna keep doubling it down all
you know. It's not stuff like that, And those are
the guys that get in trouble. And I talk about
parlays all the time, but really that's where you lose
the most most amount of money. I talk about those
things because they're fun. Like I'll put a dollar or
two on some absurd odds, you know, just to see
if I can if I can hit that. But you
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know the reality is if you're going to bet, you
have to be a plus eve better and you've got
to be able to take the little edges you know,
where you know them, and those kinds of things. And
I sometimes in privy to a certain information before it
gets out into the public.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And so I see, you're not supposed to be betting
on those What do you mean you got you got
insider information?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Insider trading? Yeah, catch me. I don't know how to
do on the air. And I'm still telling you cads.
They have they banned me from you know, they they banned.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Me for most of the books.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So I bet we know you know this information. I'm
limited it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I can still bet at DraftKings, I'm limited there. Circus
sports will always take my action just because they'll always
take action. But there's not there's some there's some books
like that I can't. Yeah, I think that's you on
the with the.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's just the ass.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, the ass track all your stuff and so they're like, now, okay,
this guy, I recognize that hair or lack of it.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's flowing pretty.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Good today, you know. But rick Lewis product.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, I started using the haluronic acid. Rick Lewis said,
I think there might be some coverage coming back here.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's telling you, is.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Rick out all your on the show?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Who was talking about you gonna start taking this paluronic
ass and stuff?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So I'm all right, you know, I'll try it because
you know the fitting back there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I started taking it and yeah, it looks like
it's might be.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Thinking you take How is that like a pill or something?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, it's like you know, vitamin C is just a
scorbic acid, right, I'm serious. Hw uronic ass hyuronic acid. Yeah,
you can buy it like something for a car. It
kind of does. It's good for your skin, it's good
for they got it pill form, they got it droppers.
You can put it under your tongue all that kind
of stuff, and the cost on isn't that much. I
(26:19):
mean you could find uh the basic generic went over
there at like Vitamin World for like fourteen bucks for
a bottle. Now you could expend. You can spend a
lot more for like cream. There's like a seventy six
dollars cream that you can get that's supposed to really
work front of your eyes and all that, and started looking.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like a werewoff. Well, I mean, you know I've growing right, yeah,
hair growing up the side of your face or whatever.
It's no, but I mean it does. It makes your
nails grow faster too.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'll say that I'm been clipping my nails that it
observed rate lately, so I guess it works on that regard.
But ironic as yeah, that was that's a rigulous special
hyaluronic acid.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He was like, yeah, that's he's the one. He's like,
if there's some some cure for whatever. I just asked
Rick and he's like, yeah, I got you right. Here's
you to take a combination of this and this and
there you go.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Doctor Lewis that's what I call him. Not really, he's
not really a doctor. Somebody's gonna take that seriously and
might be super upset with me. So a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Here real quick.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Jacob's texting in says, with this year's drafting deep for
running backs and tight ends, and you see the Broncos
double dipping at either position. If so, what position do
you believe, I say, double dipping more than one of
the same position running back? Maybe maybe that's pretty deep
deep class you could you could possibly see that. I
you know, before they signed Ingram, I would say, you know,
I would have said maybe maybe tight end.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I think there.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think they have their eye on any tight end
and I do believe they'll draft one. I don't think
they'll double dip there. I mean there's a couple of
guys out there that you know, they brought some in
for visits.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Obviously, Gunnar, Helmeter and Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Those guys are local. Uh they I think they had
Fanning from Bowling Green End, you know, to visit Mason Taylor,
whose high school coach is now on the Broncos staff,
Brian Needemar.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So there's you know, there's some connections there, and you're still.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Thinking that they could possibly take a tight end in
the first round they could.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I I think running back, I think it's running back
or defensive line, but tight end I think those are
kind of the three. And then trade back. I think
those are kind of the four three four options there.
You know, we'll see a lot of people keep talking
about receiver and the conversations I've had, I just don't
think that's the direction they're going early. They'll draft one,
but I don't think that that's the direction they're going early.
We'll see, we'll see how that shakes up the portable
(28:25):
CD players. Skip protection was to think every commercial we
got twenty we got forty seconds the skip protection, all
this kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You know, like I said, none of it exist, none.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Of it was standing worth anything, and it was, but
it was It was hilarious how that was like the
uh that was the selling point, you know, that was
the thing that right, So you know, if you listening,
I'll be on the bus trip getting ready to play
a game or whatever. It'd be letting the bush, Yeah, bouncing,
I see him. This is worthless, and so you do
you try to find like ways to like reduce the
(28:55):
the shock motion going on on your on your Yeah,
it was sort of putting backpacks under there.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You try to prop one knee, you got.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
A pillow, sit on your lap. Absolutely, it was around.
It wouldn't move too much. Utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Oh, I said, one of the coolest things man, Because
somebody asked him why he switched from rapping to acting
and it was a while, but it was way back
in the day, and he was like, yeah, nobody wants
to see you know, last thing anybody was to see
is a forty five year old hipster, a forty five
year old gangster out here trying to wrap like you'd
get too old to do it. At some point, it
doesn't resonate, So I had I had to switch to
some el has something else in the back pocket.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He made a work out for it. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It was in some good movies and TV shows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah. Man still takes good care of himself, you know. Yeah,
there's always that dude. Yeah, yeah, he's I met him
in New York one time.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh did you Yeah, I never met him, but that
I was, you know, he was alway like I remember
in height, it was so cool, you know, it's all cool, Jay,
Like it's you know, it was like a thing, you know,
back in the day, and then he was what's that
movie with the Sharks, the Deep Blue Ce remember that
with him and Sam Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jackson, that's crazy boiler alert.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He gets even like twenty minutes and he's given a
he's giving a rousing speech and then his sharks eats him,
like in the middle of the speech. What is this?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah? Oh man? That was That was one of my favorites, Steve.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
As we get closer and closer to the drafted, what
are you hoping the Broncos come away with in this draft?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I'm always winning an interior defensive line. As a defensive player,
I know the destruction that those guys can cause. How
much easier they can make the linebackers job and the
secondary's job if you have one of those dogs and.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Nobody on office and block.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And we saw some of those guys, like you said
with the Eagles, the Eagles defense, those guys were getting
to Patrick Mahomes, disrupting them, disrupting the past, disrupting the run,
and they made a huge difference in them. The guessie,
She's been able to come back in the Super Bowl Game.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Not a lot of people have been talking about defensive
line as a possibility for I know the Broncos, but
I really do believe that it could be. You got
guys out there like Kenneth Grant or Derek Harmon or
Walter Nolan, these defensively big defensive line grants three hundred
forty nine pounds by the way, thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I that out there that really I think, Uh, you
put them out there and you all of a sudden,
that's tied up two offensive linemen.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's two guys got.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You got to take him out of the equation with well,
you use two alignment on one guy and now all
of a sudden, you got a linebackers have a GAF
to shoot.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and along with the other players that we have,
I mean, Jones can come downhill from yeah. And you
know we have a good defensive line now, but that
could be even better.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
If you go you get the depth to rotate them through.
We saw in a Super Bowl how that works.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Set him and wave, send him and wait. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Uh, that's that's the new Uh, at least theoretically, the
new way to beat the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, which
I think they recognize, has to be goal number one.
In order you got to unseat them in the division
if you have bigger aspirations, and they certainly have bigger aspirations.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So, Uh, the one thing we don't have to worry
about quarterback and uh.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's a great feeling to go in the offseason doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Man, it feels so much different this draft, this offseason
has felt so much different not having to worry about
the quarterback position coming in. Are you worried at all
about a sophomore slump with though, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm not just because he's a he's a smart guy.
He works hard. I love his work ethic, and he
wants to get better. You know.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He he doesn't want to let his teammates down, and
he's put the time in and he's continued to do
that now. Uh and I think, uh, I don't think
he'll have a slump at all.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think he'll continue to excel. I look forward to it.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
As we as we get into this season, the Bronco
the sportsbooks who last year were down on the Broncos
had them at like five six wins. This year, they're
protecting the floor at nine. And as for the Broncos,
yet they're not on the seventeen and Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And that's that's the little that's still that's pressure.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, that's pressure.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Halfway there though, we got the we got the books
to get more in line with UH, with reality. I'm
looking forward to this season. I think this is UH
it's gonna be interesting because last year was kind of
a well, we hope bo grows and if we get.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Wins kind of season.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
There's expectations this year and and and I'm interested to
see how these guys rise to that pressure.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And we have a team full of younger guys too,
who last year they have their feet wet a little bit,
and I'm looking for some of those guys to take
some jumps this year and contribute significantly.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Steve.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Was great to see you, get to see you back,
get back hey.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
There, you know, we gotta get Nick back in the
studio here, so we got somebody else to roast instead
of just just usually go ahead.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Can to see buy and we gotta hit a break.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We come back the Ryan Michael from UH the Pro
Football Hall of Fames gonna join us. We'll be back
after this. Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in
the last second of a study part of that, you
go to broadcast Country Night, that com Slage podcast or
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Granted podcast New episode tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
See this, This is why I go fishing for the
new episode. I need my jonesin from a fix. I
just gotta ask Grant. He's usually uh, it's like, yeah,
it's gonna be like a you know.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
There two Yeah, musician.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I got to interview and studio c for KBCO got
to sit down with him and have a full length conversation.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Super interesting dude. His name is Tano Jones. Okay, all right.
What kind of music does he play?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Is kind of a kind of folky upbeat, kind of
like uh, you know Michael Fronti and Spearhead, Ye, kind
of that vibe.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They we actually had them and we'll get to ride
Michael in the Ka Common Spiritals hotline here in a second.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Michael Fronti actually played We had a k party uh
got a few years ago over the Soul.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Dove and he was like, we brought him in just
to play a private concert for us.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, he loves Colorado and every time he's here, he
stops in the studio see and he's one of those
people that you know sometimes there's fake happy people, but
that dude is authentic, like always happy, just always in
a good mood, remembers the little things you say to
him the next time you see him after like six months.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Just a non growdy people. I love to hear that.
Five six six zero.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
The text line real quick Pat from Monument said, I
would like to bettle myself wreck and control what I do.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Talk about me.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I was actually talking about coaches that after they leave football,
he bet to still get that high, so they don't
make to make bets on what other people do. I
guess I'm too controlling in that way. As far as
missing the game, I'm sixty five years old. I missed
the contact, like hitting people out the contact in the
sports sens. I would say that's probably what Nick Ferguson
misses the most. Yes, I'm I missing the locker room dude,
like the camaraderie. That's what I Between that and the army,
(35:14):
there's a different sort of like brotherhoods breed, a core
kind of thing that comes from that, And I would
say that that's what I missed the most, so I
agree anyway, without brother too, Let's get out.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
To the KWA commentator the hot line.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm bringing on our good Boddy, Ryan Michael at the
Ryan Michael on Twitter, contributor at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame and coach coaching analysts in the European League
of Football.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Right, how you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Doing well? Then? Grant, how are you.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Guys doing pretty well?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Last week we jumped in.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
The DeLorean, took al a ride the time machined and
talked about the two thousand and five Denver Broncos. We're
gonna go forward a little bit closer to home this time,
talk about twenty thirteen, a year with some really high
highs before sort of getting thrashed by the Seahawks and
Super Bowl forty eight. What do you remember most about
the twenty thirteen Denver Broncos.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
First and foremost, and feeling pretty old because the fact
that it's been twelve years, it certainly doesn't feel like
twelve years.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And so the.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Distance between when Trend Dilfer won a Super Bowl and
when we had that high flying offense in twenty thirteen
at the same distance from them now, so Obviously, when
we're talking about the twenty thirteen Denver Broncos, we're talking
about the NFL's most prolific offense. They scored six hundred
and six points, the most in NFL history. Sayton Manning
set single season records for passing yardage five four hundred
(36:31):
and seventy seven fifty five touchdown passes. These are numbers
that most people in Broncos country are familiar with. But
as we're looking back twelve years since it happened, I
have some numbers to share that might not be common
knowledge even here in Denver. And so that season has
aged very very well from both a statistical and a
historical standpoint.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The defensive side of the ball, we were quite the
defense that we became.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Two years later, we're winning Super Bowl fifteen.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
But what are you from remember about the twenty thirteen
Broncos defense.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It's a good question, because the twenty thirteen Broncos defense
couldn't be any less similar to the twenty fifteen unit
that ended up winning US a Super Bowl. They finished
the season ranked twenty second in points per games surrendered,
And to give you an idea of just how difficult
it is to win games, when you have a defense
that's ranked that low. Forty nine of the fifty nine
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teams to win a Super Bowl have finished with a
scoring defense ranked in the top eight. Tom Brady's won
seven Super Bowls, Terry Bradshaw four, Joe Montana for Troy
Eightman three. I believe that's eighteen different championships. Every single
one of those championships had a top eight defense, So
there is a strong correlation when it comes to dominant
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defenses and winning championships. It's difficult to win games, and
so the twenty second ranked Denver Broncos defense is the
lowest ranked unit in the history of the National Football
League to win thirteen or more regular season games and
a conference championship. As a matter of fact, there are
only two teams in NFL history ranked outside of the
(38:09):
top twenty to win twelve or more regular season games
and a conference championship. Both two of those units had
Peyton Manning on the other side of the football, the
two thousand and six Indianapolis Colts ranked twenty third and
the twenty thirteen den Verbroncos ranked twenty second. We didn't
have Von Miller for the majority of the season, and
by the time we got the Super Bowl forty eight,
(38:29):
we had a Paris Lennon who was an XFL alumni
in the starting lineup, and so not quite the No.
Five zone that we saw on twenty fifteen, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Tyler Ryan Michael at v Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You know, twenty thirteen I think is famous for Peyton
Manning throwing fifty five touchdowns that year, and at the time,
we'd really just started entering the Golden Age of passing.
I mean we probably entered it five to six years
before when we were starting to hit the zenus. I
think of that people talking about that record is living
on borrow time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But eleven years the past, it still stands.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We have a seventeen game season and no one outside
of maybe twenty eighteen Mahomes has really even come close,
and he was he only had fifty for that season.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
How do you explain that we've added a game.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
To the schedule and we still aren't having anybody come
come within ten touchdowns of this thing?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But one time in the last eleven years.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Well, with respect to all of the good and great
quarterbacks in the NFL today outside of Patrick Mahomes, I
would say that the overall caliber quarterback play at the
very top, talking top five of the league during any
given era was stronger. Back then you had Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and those were just
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the top four. There were a number of future Hall
of Fame quarterbacks who would have come after those guys.
And so we don't have Peyton Manning in the NFL anymore.
We don't have Tom Brady, Drew Brees and these guys.
And so when Pat Mahomes threw fifty in twenty eighteen,
that time had Tom Brady's two thousand and seven for
the second highest mark in NFL history, it's an absolutely
absurd number. When Drew Brees threw forty six touchdowns in
(40:08):
twenty eleven, no one was talking about him actually being
close to Brady's mark at the time, which was fifty.
And so Pat Mahomes throwing fifty really isn't close to
fifty five when you consider just how dominant you have
to be to get anywhere close to a number like that.
Peyton Manning said after the twenty thirteen season, and I
quote Brady will probably break it next year or the
(40:30):
year after. So we'll enjoy it as long as it lasts,
and so that was the expectation at the time. Nobody
came anywhere close. Tom Brady threw forty three and led
the league in a seventeen game season in twenty twenty one.
And just when you look at the statistical impossibility of
reaching fifty five, you're talking about averaging nearly four touchdowns
(40:52):
every single game. And when you dig a little bit
deeper into the numbers than the number fifty five is
even more impressive than the raw number fifty five if
you adjusted it for ERA and you account for the
fact that pet Manning set out the entire second half
of the season finale against the Raiders. Adjusted for ERA,
that would be a six thousand passing yard season, sixty
(41:13):
touchdowns in seventeen games. What many people may not remember
is that Peyton Manning injured both two of his ankles
a third of the way through the season. So if
you look at his numbers weeks one through five, he
completed seventy six percent of his passes for eight hundred
eighty four yards, twenty touchdowns, and one pick. If you
adjusted that rate when he was air quotes healthy, and
(41:36):
I don't think Peyton Manning was ever truly healthy by
the time he came back from his neck injury, but
air quotes healthy that over a seventeen game stretch would
have been six thousand, four hundred and sixty yards, sixty
eight touchdowns, and three interceptions. Now, obviously that's a piece
that would be impossible to hold up the matter how
healthy a quarterback is. Peyton Manning dipped in the middle
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of the year week six through twelve. By the time
he reached week thirteen, he threw nineteen touchdown passes the
three interceptions to close out the season. That rate by
itself in the final five games would have amounted to
sixty five touchdown passes over a seventeen game season. So
to get anywhere close to fifty, let alone fifty five,
you need to be averaging nearly four touchdown passes a game.
(42:19):
If you have an off week and you throw one,
you got to have a seven touchdown performance the next
week just to get back on pace. It's a virtually
impossible number to touch.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, I mean it is obscenely absurd.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I mean when you go back and you look at
this number and the fact that, like I said, it's
been over a decade we haven't had but two guys
come within ten touchdowns of that, and we've expanded the schedule.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
It is an absolutely mind mind blowing number.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Betty was great in twenty thirteen, but he had a
smorgasbord of weapons at his disposal. What about that unit
as a whole. I mean you go back and you look.
What about the run game, the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
What about it?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
I mean you look at an NFL record, five different
players produced ten or more touchdowns, took the skill position,
the late great Damarius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. The
thing to know about Wes Welker. In his first eight
games with Peyton Manning, he tied his career high in
touchdown receptions. And he's a guy who played with Tom
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Brady at the peak of Tom Brady's power. Julius Thomas
No Sean Moreno was the fifth one, and so you
look at those numbers et alone, ninety two receptions for
one four hundred and thirty yards. He was putting up
numbers that were on par with Calvin Johnson and Larry
Fitzgerald in their crimes. So there was only so much
the defenses could take away because if you lock down DP,
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it's going to go to Decker. If you lock down Decker,
it's going to Welker in the slot. There's just too
many weapons at Manning's disposal. In Manning, although physically certainly
not the quarterback he was prior to the neck injury,
had mastered the mental component of the game in a
way that has been un rival And the fact that
he put up those numbers even despite the physical limitations
(44:02):
coming back from that neck injury, playing through those two
ankle injuries in twenty thirteen, it's absolutely remarkable that he
was able to produce.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Tommy with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter.
A lot of things went wrong for the Broncos in
Super Bowl forty eight. It's tough to take a bigger
punch to the face than forty.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Three to eight.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
But should that game mean anything for Peyton Manning's legacy.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
It should. I mean, he played in four Super Bowls.
It's amazing to think that Peyton Manning reached his many
Super Bowls as Joe Montana, you know, obviously had a
two and two record and not the perfect four and
oh had he toppled the mighty legion of Boom and
that two thy thirteen Seattle Seahawks defense. You have to
give them all the credit in the world. They were
another animal entirely. They're the best defense that I saw
(44:50):
the entire decade. And even though the twenty fourteen team
also led the league in points per game surrendered. After
Super Bowl forty nine, Tom Brady got the car pieces
three members of the Legion of Doom who required surgery
after the end of that season. So the twenty Fourteentheyawks
weren't quite the twenty thirteen Seahawks. It's a black eye.
There's really no cleaning up forty three to eight. I
(45:12):
will add that Payton Manning if you include the two
point conversion, completed seventy percent of his passes. He then
Super Bowl record thirty four completions. Nobody cares because the
game wasn't close, But in the second half his numbers
weren't too bad. The split in the second half, as
he completed seventeen to twenty six, one hundred and seventy
six yards, one touchdown, one two point conversion, no interceptions,
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of passer rating just under one hundred. It was too little,
too late, and he was never able to test and
deep whatsoever. So it's certainly a black eye on his resume.
But given the context of what happened in that game,
a snapovers head for a safety on the first play
of the game, Percy Harvin returned to kick eighty seven
yards for a touchdown to start the second half. The
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Broncos defense didn't touch Russell Wilson, didn't not just sack
the entire game, not a turn were the entire games.
So it was a team loss. It certainly wasn't Manning's
best team. How much of a black eye to his legacy.
I certainly don't think it was more underwhelming than what
we saw out of Pat Mahomes last year. So even
the great ones have underwhelming performances.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah, and I mean there's got to be something to
getting there in the first place, at least in my book.
Tyler Ron Michael, Where should the twenty eight thirteen Broncos
rank amongst the best teams at Broncos history.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
That's a really good question. I'm tempted to say that
they shouldn't be part of the top three. Obviously, you
have the greatest offense, in my opinion, in the history
of the National Football League, let alone Bronco's history. And
if you look at point differential, believe it or not,
the twenty thirteen Broncos ranked number one in franchise history.
They were plus two hundred and seven points. Second place
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is the twenty twelve unit. They were plus one ninety two.
They were tied to the ninety eight Broncos also plus
one ninety two. Ninety seven Broncos were plus one eighty five.
Nick Ferguson's two thousand and five Broncos that we talked
about last week us one thirty seven. So if you
look at just how much the offense over achieved, you
could certainly say they were amongst the top. In my opinion,
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I think the twenty twelve then ver Broncos were better.
They were an elite offense and an elite defense. You
need that plus some breaks to win a championship. It
didn't come together for US in twenty thirteen, but I
would say winning a conference championship, knocking off Brady and
Belichick in another AFC championship game, Pate man and cut
it four hundred yards against Bill Belichick's top ten defense.
(47:30):
We accomplished some great things that year. It wasn't the
ultimate goal, but the twenty thirteen Broncos have to be
near the top, although I wouldn't quite put them in
the number one spot.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
You talked a little bit about, you know, Pat Mahomes'
performance and what that would do to his legacy in
terms of the you know, the down things. She had
an interesting tweet, you know, out there was I guess
it was earlier today, and it said twenty twenty two
is rough, but it could be argued that Russell Wilson
played at a higher level than Pat mchall Homes in
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twenty twenty three, one of the most underrated quarterback seasons
of the decade.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 6 (48:05):
So what I meant by that is Patrick Mahomes was
a bottom of the top ten, just outside the top
ten statistical quarterback in twenty twenty two. Obviously, Travis Kelsey
wasn't exactly who he was three or four years before
that point in time, but he had the support of
an elite defensive unit. I believe Kansas City finished second
in the NFL and points per game surrender that year,
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and so Mahomes had the support of a winning organization
and an elite defense, and he had the opportunity to
come through in moments that matter. If you look at
overtime of that Super Bowl, and there's nobody who can
deny how well he played there. But I think that
fans and analysts have to remind themselves for a quarterback
to have the opportunity to come through air quotes when
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it matters the most, they have to be propped up
and facilitated by a team scenario that allows them to
have that shot. The twenty twenty two Denver Broncos were
not a competitive football team, but Russell Wilson led the
AFC in touchdown pass percentage. I believe his passer rating
was higher than Mahomes. I think he was one touchdown
behind Mahomes in terms of raw production, but he attempted
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one hundred or fewer passes. I don't have the numbers
right in front of me, But to do that with
a Denver Broncos offense that was certainly not the twenty
thirteen unit that we're talking about, I would make the
argument that that year is one of the most underrated
quarterback seasons of the decade. Don't misinterpret that to mean
that I think it was a great season. I don't
think it was a great season. I don't think he
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was a top five quarterback. He might have been bottom
of the top ten, just outside of the top ten himself.
But team support makes all the difference.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
And for whatever reason, because I suspect the trade overall
certainly didn't work in our favor, we're blessed with Bonnicks now.
I think there are a lot of fans who are
salty about how everything went down with Russell Wilson. I
don't think that's grounds to underrate what he did well.
I'm all for criticizing his twenty twenty two season, but
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that doesn't mean that we need to overlook just how
well he played in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Appreciated as always, Ryan, Maybe next week, since we're talking
about bon Nicks and everything, maybe we can get some
data on quarterbacks making a leap in your two and
maybe taking a slide sophomore slump in your two.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Get some good data on all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Sounds good, but absolute brother, All right, look forward to
talking to you next week. Appreciate you as always, Ryan
Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter, contributor at the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and of course a football
analyst in the European Football League as well.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
We always appreciate getting a chance to have him on.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Get you know, he deep guys into the data forces,
so we don't have to go fish all these numbers out.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
He goes and gets all these numbers for us.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Makes it a lot easier for us, and I always
certainly appreciate him taking the time to jump on here
and break all this stuff down. Differences between the twenty
four two, twenty five, twenty thirteen teams Colorad Rockies, Baseball
LA Dodgers coming up next right here on k Away
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