04-18-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
For Rockies Baseball. The Rockies, We're gonna play a double
hitter tomorrow. I believe in lieu of Sunday. Excuse me, Sunday.
I believe in lieu of playing a game in the
snow tonight. So myself, Nick Ferguson, Zach Seegers here with
you for a full show of Broncos Country tonight. I
hope you all are doing well out there, staying dry,
saying safe. Say warm, five six, six, nine zeros a

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text line you guys would get involved in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Big show tonight. We got Ryan Blackbird's gonna join us talk.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
A little basketball as the the Nuggets squared off of
the opening round series.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
We got the Athletics.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Nick Cosmider gonna join us at eight o'clock and chance
to talk about he was on the the the Daniel
Jeremiah pre draft presser call, so I get a chance
to kind of recap what Daniel Jeremiah had to say
about things going on potentially with the Broncos we head
into this draft.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi, Nick, how is your day going?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
My day's going spectacular. You know the only problem I
have been? I mean, we live in dimmer, Colorado, so
we know that our APUs showers are often flurries.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
And flurries, meaning snow flurries.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Now, last night when we left the studio, there was
talk about snow and it's supposed to be bountiful. And
I woke up this morning with that same idea, only
to look out the window and say, hey, man, what
did the local meteorologists tell us that we did not get?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So we might have checked that doppler.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
So I was expecting some some winter white out, but
I didn't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I mean it's still snowing. It's not really, but
it's supposed to still some more. It's supposed to snow
a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
You know what tomorrows do we call this literally snowing
or do we call this like light crap dust?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, it depends. I mean where you and I are from,
this is a blizzard, you know now right here this
is not even affecting the schools as far as I go, So, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know I would not call this here. You've been, Zach,
you're a Colorado data burt. You yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I mean, this isn't too heavy a snow, but it's
it's a solid about it, So I definitely wouldn't call
it a light crop testing, though I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't think that's I think that means something else.
I'm just I'm just saying five six expenses of Texas.
I look, I know, I mean it snowed.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
A little bit. I had to I had to go.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I didn't have to brush my windshield off lightly, for god,
I had to take the little thing out.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And but you know, well, I wouldn't say broke a sweat.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
It was like too armed for us to make sure
I got the light, you know, the light powder off
the windshield there not that I mean, no, the car
wasn't covered.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I didn't have to dig out or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
So you know, but in Arkansas, there would be a
line at the grocery store for for for eggs and
milk and bread, and it would be pandemonium on the streets.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
You were talking about in Arkansas, there would be a
line outside.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And see Miami, the shoves are already clear. In Miami,
it was the snow to begin with.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
But they got a triple goose old jackets, I mean everything, the.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Most snow I ever saw. I think that we might
have gotten an inch one year of snow. And what
was it the blizzard of you know of that year
down there at arc Now I lived in. Prior to
living in Arkansas, I lived in Chicago in the eighties
and they had an absolute blizzard one year.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I remember it.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Was I don't know, I remember I was much younger,
but I remember we could barely get outside like the
door and the snow was so high it was over
my head as a kid.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
See. See that's different se Chicago winters.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
I tell people here in Dimer Wro all the time
when they can play either about it's too hot or
it's too much snow.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I was like live in Chicago where it.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Never melts, right, and you get Lake Michigan that's right there.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, you get the lake effects snow. That's the funniest thing.
It could be not a cloud in the sky. It
could be blaring sunny, and you get.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
The wind sweeping off the lake because it's cold and
it picks the moisture up and makes it snow. Not
a cloud in the sky and it's snowing, and it's
the freakiest phenomenon you've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Once again, as a guy that played in Buffalo, the
lake effects snow, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't want any part of it, you can keep it.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's as saying that it is one of the most
bizarre phenomenon. I mean it's up there, like it's not
as weird as like the Aurora borrialis.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, we got the weird colors and all that,
but it's like Alaska.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Wow, man, you could get that, and like you know where,
well you were in Saskatchewan.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Canada, they had it there. I've never seen it.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
You never saw the northern here sometimes a couple of
times this year. It's it's even gone all the way
down here.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Remember when they it was the big national one they
had while all the people had all.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
The videos and stuff, and you could see it like London. Wow,
I've never seen that.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I've only seen pictures of it and it's not Nick's beak. Yes,
and even a Suskasswan No, I never saw it. I
guess to this point, there wasn't a game at night.
I usually wasn't out at night. You know why because
I was focused on the game. Yeah that was he
was at home grind grind tape. No, he was at

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home grinding tape.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, grind just grind grind care that one, yeah, I
mean yeah, I mean, the Orbro House is kind of ethereal.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's one of those weird things like when you see that,
you're kind of like, huh, this is interesting. But lake
effects snow where it's blaring the sunny out and you
like there's not a cloud in the sky and it
just it's just snow, and you're just like, I don't
know what to do with this right now, you know,
because you're so used to let the cloud.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Cover like you have here. Yeah, that makes it feel
like the simulation is Brokenners right. Yeah, we're in the matrix.
I see the little black cat walk twice or whatever.
You know. I gotta go holler a Morpheus here and
get the other pill five.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Six six nine zeros in Texas. I got a lot
of questions coming in. Sorry, I have to sneeze her.
I will get to some of these questions, including, uh,
the nine O nine who has been texting in something
for the last couple of days. Promise you I'll get
to that today here in just a little bit. Uh,
as we get closer to the draft, we're getting closer.
Is there anybody in this draft that you just you're

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just bagging the table?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
The Broncos gotta come in, and it doesn't have to
be first round.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Just some guy in this draft that's it's got that
dog at him or he's got that young, you know,
horse in him. In in the Broncos case, you know,
is there somebody out there that you're saying that Broncos
have got to bring this guy in?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
See that? That's hard to say, Ben, because there are
several guys.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
With the way you opened up with that, I was thinking, yes,
if the idea is that, what guys do I see
that have that dog that I would love to see
in the Broncos uniform.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I can give you some of some.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Of those guys, but the Broncos may not be in
the running to take these particular guys based on overall
team strategy.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
So for me and I think we're going to get
into this later on, I think about the effectiveness of
the Broncos defense, how to give bo Nick's extra possessions,
how to make this defense much better. So I think
about the guy Malachi Starks. You know, he goes to
the University of Georgia, And yes, you know there's a

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rivalry between Georgia and Georgia Tech.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
But I'm still gonna plug the.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Kid because once again, you ask for dogs, right, You
didn't ask for pound puppies. You ask for dogs. And
that's a guy who is wins Uga. He is a
dog and he plays like a dog with a certain
level of physicality that when we look at Broncos safeties
in the past, this is what we've seen, right, guys

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who get downfield, they know how to tackle this space
and they have that physicality.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I tell I think.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Starks and and mon Worry are like a great example
in workout warriors versus like football players in the cycle.
When you look at Malachi Starts, kind of people red
flagg him coming out of the combine because he didn't
have the most amazing testing numbers. And then nickim on
Warrior because that's what I'm saying, NICKI Mon Warrey flies
up boards because he tests like crazy. But you look

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at the on field position drills when they're actually doing
football stuff and Malachi Starts is flying through those way
faster than him On Warrior. Who cares who runs a
forty yard dash in Australium line faster.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'll tell you this, Zach, I always go back to this,
and it was the same when I was playing right,
because when I was coming out, I didn't have as
much experience as some of the other guys because I
was a late bloomer.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
My mom helped me out. She didn't want me to play,
but for me, turn on the tape. Right.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Like this past offseason we saw in the combine, we
saw so many players running fast forties like we've never
seen before, and it's only going to get better. But
to me, you always got to go back to the tape.
Is that guy playing with the same speed that he
ran with? If he's not, it's a problem. So that
means that he took that layoff and he worked his
behind off to run a fast forties.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I want a guy when I turn on the tape.
What am I staying on tape?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
If I turn into van like, dude, come in here,
you gotta watch this, That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, there's I mean, there's some guys out there that
I I've talked about Boston the linebacker from Oregon a
little bit later that I'm kind.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Of interested in. Nash Jones.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
They brought him in for a visit, the offensive guard
out of Texas State.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
He's very athletic.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
There's some guys later on that I really want them
to come away with in this thing. But it seems
like everybody's focused on that first pick. Everybody's focused on
that pick there at twenty. Broncos might not be picking
at twenty. They could very much be traded back. That
is a very very realistic possibility in terms of what
could go on.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
You got teams looking to come up and get a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I've talked about a couple of other guys team has
connections with, you know, Mason Taylor who talked about that.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I was talking about Maria and Hampton.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
There are there's any number of ways that they could go,
and it seems everybody has just has a myriad of opinions.
The one thing that that sort of I think bugs
me a little bit is and I don't know why
it bothers me so much. As I said, I have
to waste so much time on it on Twitter's the
amount of people to keep asking me about these ridiculous
trade ups for an Ashton Janty, I mean, just absurd trail,

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Like the Broncos are not trading up fifteen spots to
go get a running back. They didn't move up one
spot to go get a quarterback last year. What on
earth makes you think they're mortgaging multiple drafts to move
up fifteen spots for a running back.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't think that they're going to do that, And
that sounds great to discuss this time of year. That
because we know that the Broncos need to improve drastically,
and that's kind of an understatement in the run game,
not just from a skiing standpoint, but also execution and
play calling being more consistent with the play calling. With

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the run game, you need a running back that you
feel comfortable with that you can call on that guy
several players during any type of game or possession, and
I don't think the Broncos last year had enough confidence
in the guys currently in that running back room that
they can do that.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
So that effected the propensity.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
For that running back to get more touches and to
get those types of play calls.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I think we're getting a running back is a
must for this draft. I don't know if they're going
to do that at twenty. I don't know if they're
going to do that later, but I think it's a
must get for this draft, and you need somebody that's
able to.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Do the things that Sean Payton needs him to do
he likes.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
If you go back and you look at the typical
running back room that Sean Payton runs, it's usually two bigger,
heavier guys and then a lighter guy that you can
move around of the pass game, whether that was Latavious Marie,
Pierre Thomas and mark Ingram or whatever. And then guys
that you can move around the pass game like Reggie
Bush and Darren Sproles. Now, Kamara kind of did all
those things, so that was a little bit different, But
most of the time when it came to the running

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back rooms for Sean Payton, it was two heavy hitters,
two sledgehammers on a.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Swiss Army knife, is what I say.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, I think the case you could maybe make for
Gentee is maybe he is kind of that Kamara like
talent who could do it all. He's a converted receiver.
He's really good as a pass catcher. They didn't do
too much of that this year because they were chasing
that rushing yardage record and didn't want to put extra
tread on the tires in the passing game. But look
at twenty twenty three, he was great in that facet
back then, and he is such a dynamic runner that

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maybe you think he is the transformational talent to trade up.
But like you said, if it's going to cost multiple
first round picks, several top fifty picks, you just I
don't think you can really.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Just to five for a running back.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, if you're moving from and in this situation in
order to guarantee you get Aston, Jenny basically got trade
to five, and so you'd be trading to You be
trading a five moving up fifteen spots, and that's gonna
cost you your twenty, it's gonna cost you first next year, and.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Then it's gonna cost you additional picks on top of that,
And I like, what are you? What are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like you giving a This is a team that's just
that's been missing first rounders for a couple of years,
uh and managed to make do with some incredible drafting
by George Payton. What are we doing here trying to
give away more first rounders when we got good drafts
coming up? Like It's that just doesn't make sense to me.
And and then on top of that, to move up
for the running back, do you think that Ashton Janzy's
gonna have a sequon Barkley like impact. Maybe do you

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think that he's going to have that much deeper of
an impact than at Quinn, Shawn Judkins.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Ord O mari and Hampton.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Is he that you're willing to give up an additional
first rounder for it?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'm not see.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
That's where the Reverend mesa Row and I was talking
to a couple of individuals today about this very thing
and and talking to where some of the running backs
are and who they would like to see go to
certain teams being the Raiders of the Chargers and the
Broncos being the teams of choices. But it goes back
to what's your love affair with that particular player. How

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are you projecting that you're going to utilize that player's
skill set within your offense? And if you can predict,
like day one to maybe year three, how you're going
to use that guy and you feel as though he's
going to be real effective in your offense, don't take
that guy. And we hear that term tossed around, well
do you do you like him or do you love them?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
And you got to be careful with love because I
know a lot of people who trusted in love and
ended up in divorced.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Right, So you're saying you don't believe in love anymore.
I believe it's right love because.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, no, no, no no, I believe in love right, but
it's love in the right places.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Like my father once told me when I asked him
about how do you know that when you when you
found the one? And my dad said, well, you know,
trust your heart, and then two seconds later you said
your heart will lead you astray.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
It's the same thing when we look at evaluation of
these players, right, do you really love the player? So
if you say that at the end of the day,
Sean Pagne, they love a running back, you want them
move up to go get him, and you want to
give him draft capital form. I'm not agree with it,
but I'll float with it. If you say, if you're
gonna give up draft capital go get a running back,
you better make sure that you not only give him

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thirty carries a game, that you better give him the
ideal thirty carries a game which is going to set
him up to be successful.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
If that's not the idea, you wait, you move back.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Someone's gonna be if you're moving up fifteen spots for
a running back. This better be the hybrid combination Bastard
son of Marshall, fawk Berry Sanders and Dammitt Smith all
rolled into one. It's able to carry a load like
Derick Henry because I mean, you giving you look what.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
You're giving up the ammunition. You're giving up. You're giving
up two first, you get up twenty in a future first, you.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Give it up a second round and you're probably giving
up like a future third as well. You're giving up
guys that for the Broncos have been the sweet spot.
That's where you got your Nick Benitos, That's where you
got your Quinn Minors. You know, that's where you've got
guys that can contribute on this team.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
And you're you're giving away the AMMO to get.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
The future versions, which I mean, this is why I
feel the Broncos should move back, because what have we
seen over the past couple of years. We've seen general
manager George Peyton strike go with his draft picks.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Most if not all.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Of his draft picks have contributed in their first year
right And to me, you don't want to take the
power and the shredth away from the team that we've
seen over the past couple of years. You want to
give that value back to George Peyton so he can
continue to make magic, to continue to build out this
team because death is going to be the.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Most important thing for this team moving forward. You're giving
up your chance to get your Jonah Ellis's. You get
up your chance to get your Marvin Mimes.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
You know, Javontae was a second rounder, Quinn Miners was
a third round.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I mean, you know what's that Benito Benito was another guy.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, you know, these are guys that that at the
end of the day. I mean, you know, you're you're
you're giving up your opportunities to get get players that
can make an impact.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
And that's to me. I just you know, look at it.
But here's what we also know, and we see it
every single year.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Everyone comes out with their mod drafts two point oh
six point oh maybe seven point oh by now. But
we know what's gonna happen. It's gonna push everyone else down.
And all those prospects and those mod drafts that we
thought was slated at a certain team, it's all gonna change.
So we're gonna say that the Broncos are going to
be in a position if they move back to get
players who they wouldn't ordinarily have been in the position

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to get because now they got three six round picks. Right,
you could add a couple of second and thirds in there.
Now you are striking go because like Sean Payne said,
the value is in the second from you know, second
round beyond right, that's where the value is because we
all would know who the first round is, are right.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
The value here is from the second round to about
the first ten picks, twelve picks in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
That really that's really where the value.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
So if you can maxim and you can come away
with five or six bullets in that frame, you know,
trade up and trade between, trade up and trade back,
you get guys that can contribute. You raise the floor,
raise the ceiling on your team rather than than throwing
it all on a snowball at a running back. And
what's to say he doesn't get hurt. I mean, in fact,
one player gets hurt. You put all your eggs in
that basket. Well, now what we're back to SMA and
Julia McLoughlin is the is the.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
One too common Blake Watson as the one two three.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Combo back there in the backfield and has anybody inspired
for bone Nick's second season.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
If that's in the backfield, not me.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
No, And then every position really could use an investment
outside of quarterback in the draft. Obviously they're not all
going to get it. You can justify either you know,
a future need, need for depth, and you know we're
obviously a need for a starter. It just doesn't, in
my opinion, make that much sense to invest so many
picks into one position. I think the one area and
also it makes a lot of sense to add a

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lot of picks. The one area where I bristle a
little at that idea is I think the Broncos need
difference makers on offense. Like I think the thing they're
really lacking is that game changing force. And I think
when you trade back, you are improving your ability to
get death ad contributors, but maybe not.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Those difference making elite contributors.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, Rau was Alba Kamara drafted in third, but I
don't know if that's the most replication. Is that the
Tom Brady of running backs all of a sudden, you know,
well he was a sixth round where everybody can be No,
But I think, you know, like I think the packers
are maybe an example if they've hit a ton in
those middle rounds, But do they have the dude that
scares you come Sunday.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's fair enough.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
When we come back, I'm gonna get into what they
could be doing here, guys, are gonna get your thoughts
on what the Broncos out of those scenarios if they
do those things, that's twenty what you would feel about
this team, the Knights of Anosis or at bore Ellis,
at this time of year, at this time of day,
in this part of the country, localized entirely within eight
to fifty k.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Away studio, we might be on something.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't know. Broncs cut day back after this, let's
see here four one se Men, you said your next
draft puzzle will be more difficult to solve than last year. Yeah,
I'm gonna do something a little more difficult to just
pick the first letters of each sentence in a tweet.
How difficult are we talking? Will our crayon eating brethren

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aka Marines for your civilian listeners be able to figure
it out? Or will one need an air force ASVAB
score to decipher? And this person is obviously a VET,
so I've only asked because I don't want our special
little blacks to feel left out. I have an idea
of what I'm gonna do. I've already discussed this with Ryan.
I have an idea of what I'm gonna do for
the draft puzzle this year.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I wanted to test it out on somebody first and see,
you know, see if that was something that would work.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I want to make it so that you can solve it.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
But I also I don't want to make it so
anybody can solve it in the first I don't know
twenty thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Like, I want somebody to have to really like somebody
have to really pick up on an aspect of it.
So we'll see. I've got an idea of what I'm
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Should have that nailed down by Monday on what exactly
it is, what exactly I think it's going to be. Ultimately,
several questions asking how confident I am about a Marion
Hampton at twenty is he Is he gonna be there?
I don't know if he's gonna be there. I think
that the Broncos definitely have an eye on him. Is
he gonna be there?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yet that's one of those things we still gotta still
gotta figure out. So he asked what picks I would
comfortably give to move up to get Jansky. I wouldn't
move up in this draft. It's a draft. It's this
stock full of running backs. There's there's multiple guys in
this draft. I think got that dog on them. I
don't think. I mean, if Chanty falls in your lap, cool,
but I don't think you. I don't think this is
the draft. I don't think this is the team. I

(20:38):
don't think this is the time that you bankroll an
effort to go up there and get a running back
like that.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like, I just don't.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
And philosophically, I am draft running back early guy, because
you get five years of control with a first round
running back contract, right, you get the four year rookie deal,
the fifth year option, and then a six year franchise
tag if he need it, right, so you can get
you can get basic running backs whole career on a
cost controlled option with the first round wrapping. I totally
advocate for that from the financial sense, but I'm not also,

(21:09):
let's give up assets and move up on top of
all that.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Once again, it depends on what school of thought you
come from when it comes to evaluating running backs. Some
come from that school of thought like, oh, it's a
deep class of running backs.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
We can wait. And also you had to send how
they value running backs. I mean, we know the league.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Has accelerated to a point where there's more value put
on the quarterback than it is put on the running back.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And to me, they go hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
If your quarterback doesn't have a run game, then the
opposing defense is going to be able to tee off
and then every moves the ability of play action. Think
about what we saw from the Broncos last season. We
saw Bo Nicks and an extensive amount of shotgun types
of formations and Dan the visually, we saw hand under
center and he got to a certain point where you

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can kind of dictate defensively or you knew exactly what
was going to happen when he was going to be
on the center. So if you're only on the center
for a short amount of plays, then defensively you're like, well,
we'll only have to.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Play half of your playbook.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
But when you're under center, like being around Mike and
being around Kyle, I'll consistently go back to this because
these are the two of the best individuals I've seen
do it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
You may have seen some other people do it then,
but for me, being a player and also coaching in
San Francisco, I got a chance to see it firsthand.
When your quarterback is under center, the defense has no
idea what's going on. They have no idea, so they
have to try to play for everything. And then you
can gass them up. And when you get guys on
the second and third level with bad eyes, you know

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what that means. Struck up the band. That's what we
justed to go in high school. Struck up the band.
You know why, because they just scored. So the Broncos
need to get to a point where not just drafting
a running back, because everyone thinks that, oh, you draft
a running back, you know, asking Jens or Marion Hampton,
Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
That solves all the problems. No, it doesn't, not if
you don't use them.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
If fact, let yeah, you gotta find the you gotta
find the right guy. So it's the right fit that
you get you're gonna use effectively as well. And there
are guys like you know, we've talked about Judkins as well.
Hampton's a guy like Junkins, a guy you like. Those
are guys that that that I think fit you know,
those kinds of things. Well, we'll see, all right. The
nine to nine has been asked me a question all
week said, give me a list of five players that
you could say almost for certain one of the five

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will be the Broncos first pick.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So he wants a list of five names that I
think now you think that.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I think for sure it's gonna be one of these
five names, right for sure?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Uh huh. So I'll go ahead and do that. I
would say that that list would be should I should
I say one of them? You know what? No, I'm
staying out of it, he asked you. I'm staying out
of it.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I'll give I'll give five and if you want to
chime in after that. Hampton would be one of those names.
Walter Nolan would be one of those Namesames trade Back
would be one of those names. I'm gonna include that.
I'm gonna cheat a little bit there because I think
trade Back is very very much a possibility. Henderson, to
a lesser extent, I think might be a possibility there.

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And Kenneth Grant would be the other name that I would.
I would put it here now the caveat being with
the trade back. I kind of want to include Mason
Taylor in there as well. But so there's a sixth
sort of name for you. I'm cheating a little bit
and giving myself a little extra, but I would say
that one of those names I think is he's probably
going to wind up being a Denver Bronco.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Okay, all right now, Martin Hampton, that that name.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
We've heard that before.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
We've heard that name before, and it comes up a lot,
and I'm not Sean Payton, so you guys can't see.
So right now, I'm putting like the Great Kazoo right,
just maybe to you.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Know, Secla Green dude, right, the Great Kazoo. Yeah za,
looking at me like Jack's after you for this.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Do you know what I'm talking about? Great Gazoo? No, sir, okay,
anyway back to you.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
And then listening.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
So I'm putting my hands to the side of my
temple as though I'm the Great Gazoo and I'm thinking.
So when I think about a Mario Hampton, the first
thing I think about him is in the frame of
Sean Payton, he sees Mary Hampton as Duce McCallister, someone
that he's had in the past. So I wouldn't be
surprised if the Broncos decided to stay at twenty. I

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still think they should move back and select a Marion
Hampton if that happens. You just look at it like this,
Sean Payton is seeing with those old New Orleans Saints'
ohs when he's looking at players, is about those cops.
And when you look at Duse McCallister, that's the comp.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, that's one of those things that you kind
of have to you kind of have to look at
and kind of say, you know, I'm gonna call him
Marian have to Deuce Deuce because he'd be deuced two.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Point zero, right, so I'm gonna call him I have
to throw on that number twenty two.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
But I mean he could be and there are that's
that's been a uh, that's it's been kind of his comparison.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I think.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
When you look at that, both those guys are similar builds, uh,
similar size, similar speed. I mean, you know Hampton and
and Deuce right around six foot two twenty. You know,
Hampton's a little over that weight. Duce was a little
bit taller. I think already Duce is a little bit
uh uh taller.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
But both those guys ran, you know, ran well, had
good time speed, four four speed, you know that kind
of thing. Both of them ran with power and authority.
Both of them could catch the ball out of the
backfield too. I think one of the things that I
see on Marian Hanfton that bugs me so much when
people are discounting that as an idea or possibility, saying
he doesn't have a receiver skill set.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I'm like, bro, did you not watch the tape? Because
the man can catch and run.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
That's once again in my mind when I think about
the running back position, I go back to my days
playing against Sean Payton and those New Orleans Saints team,
and and I think about some of the guys that
he had during that time. Do some challoonship being one
of those guys. But you know Pierre Thomas, he was
another one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Thomas, he made bread butter off the screen.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Geame. Here's the thing about Pierre Thomas, right, he was
not drafted and he was utilized a lot in that
Saint's offense. Don't forget Darren Brose was there as well.
Smaller bat can hide behind the lineman, but he exceptional
speed high football like you, and he can catch the
ball and he was really powerful because he had a

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low lure body. So when you start to look at
what guys the Broncos have on the current roster and
what guys are out there, look with that those eyes,
look with what did we see in New Orleans Saints.
I'll say the same darn thing with adding Evan Ingram, Right,
what did the what did the Saints have? And Drew
Brees had at a disposal when he was a quarterback.

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You had Jerry Cook, you had j Graham but was
shockey with the Giants before joined in the Saints. All
of those guys had a unique skill set. And when
you look at Evan Ingram, he has that skill set.
And that's why soon as Evan signed with the team.

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Well it's the first thing he did on XT he
put the joke, he.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Put that joker card. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
But you know Ingram, and he's gonna be Everyone's gonna
be the heavy slot for the Broncos, which is the
other thing that bugs mean a heavy slot, Well, he'll
be that big slot.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's what he'll do.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
He'll play he'll play mostly on the slot as a
heavy slot, Okay, because that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
That's what he did in Jackson.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Because when I think heavy slot, I don't think the
tight end. I think like Mike Evans Marcus Coast the
same time.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But yes, that's what he'll do. Ye. Yeah, he's mad
because version, but he was lining up in the slot.
Just because you're big and you're lining up in the slot,
that doesn't mean that you get in the same for
level production.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Whether he primarily as a run blocker like he was,
and I think that defined.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I don't think you're I don't know if you've seen
him try a run block or not. You join Humphrey
to run block.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
But to say that he demonstrate superior rum blocking skills,
I didn't say he.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Was a good power Oh I said good, Yeah he was, Okay,
I don't think he's I thank you for the clubs.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
On Sunday, a double header baseball is canceled tonight because
of uh well, snow apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Really twenty twenty five is happening out here.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I mean, uh, I don't know how baseball could even
be played in this kind of weather.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Nick. Yeah, I'm just kind of looking at how dury
it is outside. Sarcasm is like a second language to use.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
You're right there with you know what, It's more like
a first language to you.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm just catching. I'm fluid.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, I mean it's it's whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Lots of lots of texts, uh, coming in right now.
The seven too, Olve says this is all smoke. Sew
has the entire media fool just like last year. I
didn't have us fooled last year.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I told you who it was. I told you who
it was since December.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Last year, actually spelled it out between six hours for
the draft.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So, I you know, I've been pretty good about getting
this information, at least the first pick for the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Most of these years.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I missed on the Certain year I had Rayeon Slater,
but that was only because I thought Certain was going
to be gone before the Broncos got there, so I
had I had Rayshon Slater.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
That year.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I thought the Carolina Panthers would take Certan or Dallas
would move in front of the Broncos to get Certain,
neither of which ended up happening. And so I guess
Raychean Slater that year when everybody else was telling you
was Justin Fields, who was never in consideration. So you know,
I I've been pretty good about these, dating back to
Garrett Bowles.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think I think there's maybe one one.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Other one I've missed on, and I'd have to go
back and look, but I'm usually pretty good about getting
that I had. I knew Benito, even though that was
the end of the second round, which I find to
be more impressive, although some people didn't.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think I've gotten most of these over the years.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I've manage to be able to get most of these
and have a little in over there and sort of
try to bring it to you. So right now, like
I said, I think it's probably either going to be
handed or trade back, but we'll we'll see what happens.
I think a trade back is very likely, and we'll
get into some of that stuff a little bit later.
Nix wants to get into a move that has proven
value in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
We'll get to that in the next segment as well.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Nine to nine says you rock In and Nick and
Zach thanks for riding inside.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
As always.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
If Anton has gone and Shadeur's picks on the top ten.
Do they still have trade back scenarios and partners to
move back and allocate more darts to throw?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Funny, you got the.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Word dart in there, because here we go, even if
Shador was gone. Even if Shador was gone, which in
this scenario he said, should Door's pick to.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
The top ten. I don't believe she is going to
be picking the top ten.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
In fact, I don't believe boring trades that there will
be but one quarterback in the first twenty picks. Now,
I still think there'll be three in the first round,
but I don't believe there'll be I believe one quarterback
in the in the first nineteen picks. As far as
that goes, you know, Jackson Dart could be somebody you
wanted want to move up for the Steelers. If you're

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saying New Orleans and you're really interested in Dark and
the Steelers are picking a twenty one, maybe New Orleans
who already.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Has a relationship with our head coach. Maybe they get
on the phone.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Maybe they're making some phone calls trying to facilitate something there.
So there are yes, even if she were picked, there
are still possibilities for a Broncos trade back there, but
I don't believe that he will be picked at that
point in time. I think you're gonna have competition with
the Giants trying to get back up in there to
get him. The question is, you've got teams like Cleveland,
You've got teams like like New York.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
You've got teams like.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
New Orleans that need a quarterback, and I don't think
they're going to take them in the top ten. I
think they're gonna look for blue chip players and then
come back for the quarterback, is what I think their
plans are. Right.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I've been wrong before, could be wrong here, but that's
my sense of the lay of the land.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know what, It's always funny this time of year
because you may think that you know what a team's
gonna do, and I know everyone tries to play that
role of oh, we just acting coy. We're gonna talk
so much about this particular player or not so much
about this particular player to hope that we need people
to move up or down based on the things that
we say.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And sometimes these teams are.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Not really sure themselves because they've been having these draft
meetings for a long period of time, even during the
season as far as who's coming out, based on what's
happening with our team, who's on expiring contracts, where can
we go.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
They've had these conversations.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
But what we've seen bend that happened with this long
layoff before the draft, teams do one or two things.
They had to talk themselves out of a player or
they talk themselves into a player. So the idea is
that when you look at all the teams around the league,
whose voice carries the most weight. That's where it comes
to rubber mesa ro whose voice carry the most weight?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Because the scouts go out, they look at these guys,
they evaluate them right and now.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
The scouts are evaluating their valuations of their valuations right well.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And these days it's like it's kind of funny because
you know scouts and what people think the scouts do.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, you'll get the general managers and the int
they'll get. They'll get to grind on.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
The tape and the scouts will see these guys you
know this on tape and all that kind of stuff.
But really what scouts are out there doing is, you know,
they're they're finding out about the person. What makes this
guy tick? You know, what does his coach have to say,
what does his teammates have to say about him? That's
why they're out there on the road doing those kinds
of things. You can grind tape from the office, right,
That's why those guys are out in the field.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
That's why they call them twenty five twenty five twenty
five jobs.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
You want a twenty five year old working twenty five
hours a day for twenty five grand a year, you know,
out there on the road, finding out and cross checking
what these what these guys are. And then you get
you know, then you get the general manager involved, then
you get to you know, then you get to the
head scout, you get all those guys back home, and
you know, grinding the tape. Okay, all right, this guy
could do this, we need this is he's capable of
doing those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
And so yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
At the point now where you you've boiled down all
those evaluations and.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
You're kind of stacking your board.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Usually teams have two boards. It's called a vertical board
and a horizontal board. One that's that's broken out by
position and the one that's broken out one through you know,
however many you decide to rank usually about four hundred players,
and you're looking at that, it's okay, well, let's see, uh,
this is what we think. This is where we rank them.
And then we've got over here where we're projecting that

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these guys could go and how can we maximize our
value to get the maxim amount of best players that
we can And that's what you know what the Broncos
are doing.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I think, uh, they're gonna be you know, working up
until uh.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Tuesday, I think Tuesdays is usually the cutoff day, and
you've got a day to kind of sit with it
on Wednesday, and then of course you got the draft
on Thursday, and you know, you don't have teams start
to call about the trade up trade.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Down costs over the next couple of days. George Paton
will take those calls.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
You don't think they've already gone through those rose those
contingency plans. What happens if this the mock draft.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stuff, like a few days before like they do that,
a few days like they do that, the Broncos do
that within the week of the draft, where they do
the mock drat. Okay, here's a couple of mock drafts
they pick out a few mock drafts. They run through scenarios. Uh, okay,
if this happens, if this happens, what do we do here?
If this happens, what do we do here? Those kinds
of things.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, you know, it's like, uh, this is probably another
movie that's going to go over Zach seegers head. But
it's okay. They come up with their war game scenarios,
war games. There you go on the other day, Oh
you do, Matthew broderc Yes, before your time. Yes, I'm surprised,
I'm shocked, but hey, there it is what teams go

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through these war game scenarios, and I'm sure the Broncos
have gone through theirs. The idea is that don't stress
on it too much, don't overthink it.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, there's a risk of paralysis by over analysis, you
know kind of things. But they want to also be
prepared for every situation. We have to prepare for a break. Here,
we come back, We get it into what Nick thinks
is a move that has proven value in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
We come back, Broncos Country Night