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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm gonna go right out to the U.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Can we comes for the hotline though, and bring on
our good friends from CBS for me, Me and romy.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey? You know what? This morning the ass? But you
know what, we got the Nuggets to focus on, so
that's always a good time of year, good distractions all around.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We did you were you were at the Nuggets game,
and obviously they blew them out. So I have to
ask why didn't we clone romy Bean and have her
simultaneously at the Avs game for the the Roamy Bean bump.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, I feel like if anyone could figure out cloning,
it'd be you, Ben, So I'm gonna put that one
on you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I will take I will take the blame.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is my fault that we did not clone you
to have you at at both games.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How big was that though?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean the Nuggets blew the Clippers out of the
gym in that game.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean it wasn't even close.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was never close, even from the outset when when
Brown was uh put you know, putting early baskets on it.
That never felt like La was ever in that game.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Broad and Game seven was not on my Bengo card.
I thought this was gonna come down. Before the games
of that series were won by six points or fewers,
three by a single possession. I thought, we have another
ag don't get the buzzer type of the thing. A
brow in just so unexpected, but so good for this
Nuggets team and to kind of keep them going with
the momentum, with the adrenaline. It was just one day
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rest now to take on ok See, they got a
little bit of a chance to rest the starters a
little bit there in the fourth. Alman put him back
in late. But all of that rumor helps them now
going into what's going to be a really tough game.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
All right, Obviously you know this is a tough matchup
for the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They split the season. I do believe two games apiece.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But we were talking about individuals who can be impact players,
and obviously right away from the Nuggets you talk about
Nkolee Jokic, and then you think about Jamal Murray. But
for me, the wildcard is a person who's some considered
to be a wild type of player.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
And I don't know how you looked at it, romy
but I thought he was extraordinary win. It counted the
most can we get that same type the play do
you think from a wild card like Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think that the Nuggets have to get that and
they think that they can. I mean, this is like
a Russ revenge for right. He just knocked out the Clippers,
his most recent team. Now he's taken on the team
where he made his legacy, his first team, the team
that drafted him, the team manificated MVP on I think
it's had definitely different emotions in terms of it's kind
of all love from Okcy, but that's the kind of
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thing that Russe really gets up for. He loves that
and he love through it and he plays through in
But I think having that added motivation and knockout a
forward team like that that riled him up. And he
even said which I think we all appreciated. Heman has
acknowledged the Russell Westbrook experience. It was. There are highs,
there are lows. He's gonna make that dunk, He's going
to miss that dunk, but the energy that he brings
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the Nuggets just didn't have that last year. I think
it's such an asset and who they'll have to play
and be the sixth man is the Nuggets. There's a
lot of ways that the Nuggets will have to do
well to pull off this an upset, but ruffle I
took playing well and maybe living with some of those
coffee mistakes. But coming up question in the rooms big moments.
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You have to see talk with.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Roby Bean from CBS size.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
As we look at these series, this is a different
animal for the Nuggets. I mean, the okayse is deep.
They've got a deep bench, They're well rested. They swept
a fifty plus win team like it was not a
thing in the opening round. They're going to need some
of that Russell Westbrook energy off the bench. But what
else are they going to need that we're not that
we haven't seen so far to be able to get
past this Thunder team.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I think this sounds like Okay, romy but Nicolay
Oakuch has to play like the best basketball player in
the world. He didn't necessarily do that in the Clipper series.
For me, the Clipper series was about everybody else. You
look at the game seven wins, They'd six players score
fifteen or more points. It was about Okay, everybody around Yoku.
This is the series where the Thunders defense is absolutely suffocating.
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I've got more perimeter defenders than they know what to
do with. To me, I think this is going to
come down to Jokic and Aaron Gordon down low, How goody,
how nasty, how aggressive can they be in the post,
because I think that's how you win this series. They're
going to make it really hard for Jamorrow, for Mpja,
for all these guys to get to their spots around
the perimeter. So I know it sounds basic to say
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Yogic has to be his absolute best, but I do
think this comes down to what Yokic and ag can
do in the pain.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Y'all want to back up.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
For a second romy talk a little hockey, And obviously
you know you mentioned when you first came on talking
about how disappointing that Game seven Laws was against I
mean too the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
But I can't help but think, well, in Game.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Six, the ABS put up seven goals, and I wonder
that they come in a bit too confident in that
Game seven against the Stars because Miko Rantanen was was cessational.
Whatever you want to say about him as an AS fan,
not liking it, but he was sensational. What do you
think was the biggest reason for the letdown after I
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mean going up to nothing with thirteen minutes remaining in
the third period.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, this one, this one makes this one so hard
to stomach, and how they lost and you're kind of
trying to reason with it and find reasons and there's
not like a particularly good reason for why the apps
should have dropped this game. And I don't think that
they were overally cocky. I don't personally think that way.
You know, it was almost like Dallas did play like
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they wanted it a little bit more perhaps, but it
just feels like there's something that was a little bit
off with his ass team. I don't know if cal
mccarr was hurt, but I it feeled like I have
a sneaking suspicion that he was. Christickfallen and Josackic will
talk tomorrow, maybe we'll find out. But I mean, when
cale mccarr is invisible the way he was, it makes
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me feel like something was going on. And when you
can eliminate him, you know, Peter Moore said in before game, say,
except eighty percent of their game planning goes into shutting
down Calee mccarr and Nathan McKinnon, and they either did
that with Cale mccarr or a combination of that or
him being hurt one or the other. But they're just
such they were just kind of just ground down, you know,
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grinded down the Abs, and the Abs didn't seem to
have that little extra bit of book to put them
over the top. And the hard part about it is
you're like, why Dave Lillma, this guy came back. They
had this roster that was reuvem that they got all
this depth. They had a good reason why, and I
think that's why there's some exasperation for Nathan McKinnon after
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the game where he kind of said where do we
go from here?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like he's an overhaul it. Who are you going
to trade? The salary cap so tight? So I think
that's what makes this one really distressing too for the
ass not to mention Dallas was without his two best
players and they couldn't beat him, and Nathan McKinnon mentioned that,
so that, you know, it's kind of distressing if you
look ahead to what is next.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
For this team, be from CBS maybe a little bit bittersweet.
I mean, Grant talked about this earlier. How you know,
he's like, well, wait, a minute. Maybe I'm not a
die hard ABS fan because I was kind of rooting
for Miko Ranton and once the you know, the hat
trick thing came came about.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When you look at when you look at it from
that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, obviously we're all want of the Apps to win,
But was there at least something to him getting that
hat trick that felt good for Denver fans?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I mean, I think we probably not right now. I
personally am not mad at Nico, and I won't be
mad at Nico, And I think you guys know this.
I've seen this, We've seen the story so many times.
I mean, you can't blame a guy for chasing money.
You can't at all, especially in the NHL, where you
know they're not making what basketball players are making, they're
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not making what MLV players are making. You can't. He
just can't blame him. I personally, I have no hate
in my heart for me going in, and I think
that what he him leaving there was no vengeance for
anything sort of ill low towards the Apps. So I
think you can feel both. I think you can still
feel too sad that the ADS are out and still
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have kind of love for me, go rand them. That's
how I personally feel. I think there are some fans
that don't feel that way. I think it's very next.
I think it's split right down in the middle. But
I mean Nicole did he played his brains out and
it was incredible and you got to tip your cap.
It's nothing else.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Now here's a wild question for you, Romi. If you
choose not to answer it, I totally understand. But this
is going to be a question that I know AVS
fans are going to be upset with me, but I'll
be We're missed if I didn't ask this question based
on knowing as though you faced against the Stars and
two of their best players, like you said, did not
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play in that series, and you lost in game in
a tough Game seven, do you think that window for
the Avs are starting to close?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You know, this is one of those things where we
have Nathan McKinnon and Cale mccarr. The windows always open,
the same thing as like when you have Nicoley Okich.
The window it's almost it's always open, but what are
you doing around it? And I think that's why I,
as fans, have been kind of itching the past couple
of days. Are there any changes coming? You don't have
a you have so much less flexibility in hockey to
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kind of make big changes. But I think that's why
fans kind of wanted to maybe see something, see some
sort of a move. May mean Autom's drastic, aspiring Michael Malone,
Calvin Booth, but something because you can't release these two
guys window. I still think their window is open right now,
I really do. But I will say that he's got
an issue looking forward because they made a lot of
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these trains. They brought in these guys, you know, at
the trade deadline, Rock Nelson, you know, Charlie pull a
lot of these guys, and the Abs do not have depths,
do not have a lot of young talent, young prospects
because they traded a lot of them away. They don't
have a lot of important draft picks going forward. So
you look forward and it is a little bit of
a break. How are they going to enagle This front
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office is going to have to pull off something pretty
impressive because don't have you don't have the young assets
moving forward, you know, you really don't. So maybe you're
moving somebody like Sam Gerrard. You got to figure something
out because you can't waste these guys.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Prime time with Roby Bean from CBS speaking of wasting something.
I mean, we're at Bonnicks's rookie window. How do the
Broncos best not waste that? We just completed the draft,
you know, how do we frame this thing so we
best don't waste that as we're coming off our first
playoff bid in a decade.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh, you know, you know, the sophomore year is always exciting,
right because everybody talks about the softmore swamp will they
won't say I think that. And I know there's a
lot of people that were upset with the draft, you know, going, oh,
this is kind of so defensive heavy. But I think
a solid defense is so huge for bone Nicks. Now,
I'm not going to take away the fact that he
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needs weapons, but to have a defense that, when you
look at this top to bottom lineup can be absolutely
so dominant. We've seen it before. We've seen how much
a really good defense helps out an offense, and I
think that it can benefit bo Nicks tremendously if this
defense is able to just you know, be one of
the top scoring defenses in the league that allows bow
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breathing room right in case he does have a slump
here or there, and then you know you need the
guys to pan out Evan Ingram obviously you didn't draft.
While you drafted, you know late, a tight end is
more of a project, So you need your Evan Ingram's
to work out. You need Troy Franklin to have his
breakout your I think people are a little upset about receiver,
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but I feel like everybody's forgetting about Devon Beley. I
feel like he's gonna have a huge role. I feel
like he could be a Tim Patrick for him, really reliable.
So I feel like that Brunos have so many pieces
around bow knicks right now that it's a good forecast.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well, wellmy, what does this say when you have athletes
who play for other professional teams coming out.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And supporting one another.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
What I mean by that because with the As games
and the Nuggets games, we've seen a lot of the
Broncos players showing up either in suites or courtside to
support the fellow.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Professional teams here in this market.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But what does that say about the sports scene that
maybe other cities don't really have.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, I love that. I always think it's so cool
and it's always cool and you're in the arena to
see reaction. I mean, the fans get so excited them.
There is such a good sports down. I mean, we
always talk everyone. I thought it was so cool that
the Nuggets kept the Adams game on after the game,
and a lot of people stay at Ballerina, people who
love their sports here and it kind of just it's
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such good vibes. But it's the fans get so excited
when they pan over to that Bronco's box or you
see Bonnicks sitting courtside, and you know, it's one of
those things that it's just cool. It's just cool to
see and you kind of love to see it, you
And I think I think it moves a lot for
fans of Denver to see these guys really making Denver
their home and really, you know, attaching them selves to
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the Denver sports teams, even if they you know, went
to had other teams obviously growing up. So it's a
cool scene and it kind of unites the whole sports scene.
And I love seeing the fans reaction.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They always go crazy talking with Roby Bean from CBS,
Robie which team is best positioned to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Next?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Would that be the Avs, who feel like they may
have to retool a little bit, The Nuggets, who you
know are still in the playoffs, the Broncos who are
coming off a playoff berth and seem to be a
sending which team is best position to win a championship?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Next?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I see you didn't mention the Rockies there.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Would you like me to mention the k Okay also
the Rockies?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Also the Rockies to win the championship for worst team,
that's the possibility. That's such an interesting question because as
you were asking that, and I haven't had this thought
for probably a good decade, but I almost feel like
my immediate thought went to the Broncos. And I think
that's because a couple of things. I think the ads
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I'm gonna lot to figure out. I feel concerned about
the ABS future. And maybe it's just the recency bias
of what just happened, but I feel concerned about that.
I feel like I'm in a reserve judgment on the
Denver Nuggets to see.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
What they do this offseason.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think if they make a big move, they bring in,
you know, a big All star for Yokush to play with.
Then they're not far off, and that kind of feels
like the easy answer. But let's just say they don't
do anything with the roster. Yeah, I'm going to look.
I know the AFC is loaded, but I think the
Broncos are building towards it and it could be not
that far off.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, Romie, a big game tonight for the Denver Nuggets,
So I can't let you get out of here without
giving us a peak inside to what you think this
series is going to be the game the series? But
the Clippers went game seven with seven games, So what
are we looking at you?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
What are Nuggets fans looking at here?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
As far as facing this young, aggressive, in your face
O casey.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thunder team, I don't feel good about tonight, ma honest,
I think there's like a crazy stat the team's coming
off a sweep playing against a team that played in
the game seven or like fourteen and one. So we're
gonna letch that I ride out see what happens. But
I think I'm gonna go two options, Nuggets and six
or Thunder and seven.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, all right, I respected I'm hoping that the Nuggets
can catch them nap at tonight. I'm hoping that you
know they're having that time off, maybe makes them a
little rusty.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Maybe the Nugget catch them mapping away. Who knows. Maybe
it's a vain hope, but it's it's what I've got romy.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
We We appreciate it as always. Look forward to catching
up with you here again soon.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You guys are the best. I will say the Nuggets
have like nine days off between the Western Conference finals
and the NBA Finals. I'm not sure to be a
negative Nancy, but rest of Taylk is not a bad
thing in the NBA. So that's not great.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Fair enough, Well, we'll just call you wet blanket roll
me from now on. I will pass the title on
to what knops kid. Hey, I appreciate you, appreciate you
as always.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
All right, talkis later, Rubbie B from CBS. When we
come back. Ryan Michael's going to join us right here.
I'm Broncos Country to I Stacy for Utah. Text in
so is hey, guys, stay from Utah. I will admit
I drink the orange kool aid. I think we could
draft kids out of Little League, and I would like
our draft.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But taking the orange goggles off for a second. I
really do like what we did in the draft.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I feel like teams are gonna have to try to
run the ball on us because of our dB situation,
and I believe with a loaded box teams are not
going to be able to run on us.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
They're going to have to pick the poison. What say you,
I say you, Dawn. Right now, I'm going to continue
to say the Broncos country. I'm gonna say it at nauseum.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I know Ryan Edwards hates me for saying it, but
I don't give too nicholas about it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
The Broncos defense has always.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Been mcgiver, right, and they're going to continue to be
mcgiver and adding today Baron to the mix is only
going to make mcguiver that much better. So more turnovers,
more possessions for bo Nicks, and hopefully the means more touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
For Rgie Harvey.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Does that make Pat mahomes Murdoch. No, doesn't make him Murdoch. Well,
you hope so, because mcguyver beats Murdoch every time.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Okay, so we're talking a team and we're talking to
my guy. But it was the two different Murdock is
from mcguiver. He was the bar in the in the
black leather he was. He was mcguiver's arch nemesis.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't remember that. All I remember are the great
things that mcgiver did.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, we're gonna go out to the k a Common
Sparrel hotline and bring on our good buddy Ryan, Michael
and Steve.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He remembers Murdoch like a like a real fan. All right,
how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (17:32):
I'm doing well, guys, and I've never seen an episode, so,
oh my god, how.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
How how have I on a show where none of
you guys remember my favorite show of all time. Mcguiver's
hair was feathered and lethal. That mullet, that was the
that was the look back in the eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Was was Murdoch a villain? Yeah, of course it was
the Blas, it was the Archer. Phasis just it wasn't
my favorite. I'm just anyway, Ryan, you know, it's been
and it's been interesting. We've taken the DeLorean out for
a few spins so.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Far this season, taking a ride on the BCT time
Machine twice, talking about the five and thirteen oh thirteen?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Twenty thirteen Broncos squads during past shows it is the
ten year anniversary of the twenty fifteen team. Obviously they
won Super Bowl fifty. And what are your initial thoughts
when we're reflecting back on that season.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I'd say the.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
First is like, I don't know where the ten years
have gone. It feels more like three or four to me.
When I think of the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos. One
of the first things that comes to mind for me
is how the entire complexion of the AFC changed after
that season. Since that time, between twenty sixteen and twenty
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twenty four, either Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes has represented
the AFC in eight out of nine Super Bowls, only
the one between Joe Burrow and Matt Safford. If we
have a different representative from the AFC, and you know,
there's a little bit of I think a Mandella effect
when we think back to the Tom Brady Payton Manning rivalry,
because during the seasons where those two quarterbacks were active
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at the same time, Brady made five appearances in the
Super Bowl, Manning made four. And if we narrow it
down the seasons when both quarterbacks were healthy, because we'll
get into twenty fourteen a little bit, but it's really
four and four. So the entire complexion of the conference
changed after Manning retired and after Broncos won that Super Bowl.
So just a different world we're living in.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Well, Ryan, when we looked at defense as a whole,
and let's go back and rewind just a little, when
we look at the Orange Crust per se, they were
dominating defense. And when if we were the fast forward,
we've seen some other defenses with with the Baltimore Ravens,
we see some all the other dominating defense, even with
the Broncos themselves in the no fly zone. Now, are
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you of the belief that defense still wins championship or
has things changed in your mind?
Speaker 7 (20:01):
They've not changed. It's always been true and it's always
been a team sport. But you know, as far as
the adage defense wins championships. From a historical perspective, there
have been fifty nine Super Bowl champions. Forty nine out
of the fifty nine Super Bowl champions all had not
a top ten but a top eight defense. And the
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stat that I cite fairly frequently, Brady won seven, Montana
won four, Terry Bradshaw won four, eight min one three.
So we're talking four Hall of famers there with eighteen
Super Bowl championships combined. Every single one of those eighteen
championships came with a top eight defense. All of those
Hall of Famers their entire careers combined, anytime their defense
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is dipped outside of the top eight, they combined to
win zero rings. So you look at teams like the
two thousand and six Bolts, the two thousand and nine Saints,
those are absolute outliers. So defense absolutely wins championships. We
saw two top five defenses go at it this year,
and the history has been pretty consistent. So that was
true for us certainly in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's just as true.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Today talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
Peyton Matney came to Denver, was dominant pretty much from
the get go, but he was coming off that injury.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
But he was coming off an injury that cost him
a season with the Colts. It was an injury. I mean,
there were people at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Speculating he was one bad sneeze away from being a paraplegic,
which obviously was incorrect. A tough end though in the
twenty fourteen season, and then obviously twenty fifteen. Statistically speaking,
at least, it seemed like he sort of fell off
a cliff.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I mean, obviously we know about the injuries. Was was
it just the injuries?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Did it all just take its toll? Finally at that point?
What happened to Manning in the final season in your estimation.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
I think you have to go back a little bit
before twenty fifteen and you just look at the timeline.
I don't think after all of those procedures on his neck,
Manning was ever anywhere close to one hundred percent physically
what he was ever again in his last few years
in Indianapolis, he wasn't one hundred percent either. He was
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playing hurt. There was a reason why he needed those surgeries,
And so I think a lot of people almost took
for granted how dominant he was when he joined the
Denver Broncos. He was a first team All Pro selection
runner up. FRAMDP really should have been NFL MVP in
twenty twelve, in my opinion, And because the numbers were
the typical video game numbers you expected from Paydon Manning,
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I think the people who weren't watching every stamp just
assumed he was back to being paid physically he wasn't,
and so he had two high ankle sprains in twenty thirteen.
That something we talked about a few weeks ago. He
really played half of that season injured and his legs
were braced up in Super Bowl forty eight. He wasn't
healthy in Super Bowl forty eight. When you get into
twenty fourteen, the thing that happened with Manning is his
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arm was never the same after the surgeries. So what
he was able to do is he mastered his passing
mechanics and he generated a lot of torque by putting
a lot of pressure, wear and tear on his quads,
especially so he tore his right quads so badly in
twenty fourteen that the bruising from the injury spread to
the back of his leg. I don't know if you
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remember going back to the Divisional round against Indianapolis at
the end of the twenty fourteen season, there were a
lot of questions whether or not Peyton Manning could even
play again. So when he came back in twenty fifteen,
his body didn't hold up for the pole season. He
Taurus Planter Fascian, So statistically I refer to twenty fifteen
Peyton Manning as the greatest bad season of all time
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because it's a small sample size of games, and when
he was bad, he was really, really, really bad. He
did end the season top ten in tact percentage. He
did end the season leading the NFL in game winning
drives and fourth quarter comebacks if you include the postseason.
So there were certainly, certainly some high points, but physically
he was never the same. And so I think John
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Elway saw that early after we got blown out in
Super Bowl forty eight. He did a lot of moves
in free and he told build up a defense that
really came to truition a year later in twenty fifteen.
So the injuries are really at the root for why
Peyton Manning suffered the statistical decline he did. I think
that does overshadow a little bit some of his dominant performances,
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certainly Sunday Night football against the Green Bay Packers that year,
and he certainly played good football at the beginning of
the AFC Championship game against New England. So the injuries
caught up with him. Thank goodness, we have the twenty
fifteen Broncos defense.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, that's interesting you bring that up, because there
was a quick share from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen
where it went from an offensive philosophy to that much
of a defensive philosophy. And how do you think the
Broncos were able to kind of pull that off and
switching within that two years to go from being offensive
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mining to a defensive mining shift.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
It's a great question, And as I said earlier, I
think a lot of credit really should go to John Eli.
I think he saw what was happening and he made
move during the twenty fourteen offseason. If you go back
to the Super Bowl forty eight, we had a former
original XFL linebacker Paris Lennon in our starting lineup. Chap
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Bailey wasn't one hundred percent healthy. We didn't have Von Miller.
He was suspended at the beginning of the year and
he injured the apl towards the end of the year.
So we always looked to that Super Bowl and how
our offense underperformed, But our defense was just as bad,
if not worse. We gave up forty three total points,
zero sacks on Russell Wilson. So you fast forward to
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the twenty fourteen offseason, we pick up TJ. Ward, a
key to leave DeMarcus Ware and in twenty fourteen, Chris
Harris really ascended. That was his first Pro Bowl, in
first ap All Pro selection season in twenty fourteen. So
the ingredients were there in twenty fourteen. It took a
little bit to make that full transition, and the timing
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couldn't have been better because as Aydon Manning and the
offense were a shadow of what they used to be.
Our defense obviously is said to being what.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We were Toddler, Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
the defense capt it going after twenty fifteen, after Manning left,
we were a bit in QB limbo, starting with the
ill fated Mark Sanchez versus the skittles Man Trevor Simeon
quarterback duel all the way through Russell Wilson siding here,
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I know you've been bullish on Bo.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Obviously since he was drafted. Have we we finally figured
it out?
Speaker 7 (26:29):
You know, it's a great rookie season, that's for sure.
I need to see a greater sample size of success
from Bonix and the offense as high as I've been
on hand since his time in Oregon. You know we've
seen in live time from twenty twenty three to twenty
twenty four. I always say C. J. Stroud is one
of the best examples. Third in the NFL and adjusted
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net yards forer at tempus. Rookie dropped all the way
down the twenty seventh flast year, And because Houston made
the postseason, people aren't really unpacking the numbers and watching
as much of the tape. But when opposing defenses have
a full season, and in those case, because he's durable
and he started really from the preseason all the way through,
we have eighteen regular season slash playoff games of all
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twenty two for opposing defenses to study. That's going to
be a tremendous challenge for bonets. That's going to be
a tremendous challenge for Sean Payton. So will Sean be
able to keep up with modern offenses? Will he continue
to be creative? Will he continue to build the offense
in his image? That remains to be seen. But I'm
not so quick to say that we have our quarterback
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in the future because of one spectacular rookie season. We
need to see a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
When you watched this current iteration of the Denver Broncos defense,
are there any similarities to that twenty fifteen defense, anything
that you're seeing that can remotely make fans just go
giddy like a schoolgirl because of what they're seeing every
time the defense on the field.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Sure, I mean statistic very similar The twenty fifteen Broncos
gave up eighteen and a half points per game. Last
year we gave up eighteen point three points per game,
which is impressive when you consider the statistical inflation. It's
a different era. It's a decade past now. So I
see a little bit of Wade Phillips advance Joseph, and
I guess if we're stretching to find similarities. Gary Kubiak
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was an offensive guy who had passed success trying to
rekindle that in Denver, and Sean Payton doing the same.
It's not a perfect comparison, sure, but we are a
defensive driven football team until we're not. Our past history
suggests that that can change very quickly. As you had
mentioned that the transition from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen,
we're talking, in my opinion, the greatest offense in NFL
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history in twenty thirteen, and then two years later you
have one of the greatest defenses of the decade, maybe
one of the greatest defenses of all time in twenty fifteen.
So things can change very quickly. But as it stands
right now, defense is still our identity here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, how that is talk with Ryan. I let the
Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Twitter contributed to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and
coaching analysts for the European League Football. As we look
at this thing going forward, you know, we had some
ups and downs last year.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It took a couple of weeks for voting it going,
but he get going.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The defense though, got beaten up twice the Baltimore Ravens,
Buffalo Bills. Both those teams had a power run game going.
That just kind of put it to us. Have we
done enough to shore that up this offseason? You know?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
On paper, as I had said last week, I love
the additions. I love Jadde barn I love taking Jones
in the third, I love continuing to add bricks on
top of strengths because, as they said last week, we
cannot take the success of twenty twenty four and just
roll into twenty twenty five and assume that we're going
to be a top three defense again. That is so
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difficult to do. Regression is such a very real thing
in the NFL. We can't take that success for granted.
As far as what we're able to do along the
defensive line, our pass into the greater strength in our
run defense. I'm very hopeful and optimistic that our defense
is going to be strong again this year, but we
have to prove it week by week. I know it's
a cliche, but it's something that we really have to earn,
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not assume.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Well, I guess every question I've had really is stated
what side of the ball I lean heavily towards. So
I'm not going to go in a different direction of
state with the defense. When you look at how that
the Broncos secondary is currently constructed, and you mentioned today
day Baron, I mean, how does he factor into that
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and how does that change or should change opponent's mind
when trying to attack the Broncos secondary.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I think the fact that his skill set is such
that you can line him up anywhere. That's what they
did at Texas last year, so you know, you can
line them up against the number one, you can put
them in the slot. There's so many things that he
can do. And because injuries are a real thing too.
I mean, there were times where pats Artan was not
one hundred percent last year and he could have really
used a guy like Baron. So we're continuing to stack
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those bricks on top of strengths that we already have.
But given the fact that we can plug him pretty
much anywhere we want him to be, assuming he has
a good camp, I don't see any reason why he
can't be starting for a state one.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Brian, we appreciated as always, brother, and you know, we
look forward to chatting with you again down the line.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Sometime sounds good.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Guys appreciate having me on.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Absolutely take care Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael contributor
at the Pro Football Hall of Fame and defensive analysts
though for the progue Lions and the European League of Football.
And always fun to get a chance to catch up
with him, and you know he was he was very
bullish on bow before anybody else was bullish on bow.
You know, we had a lot of the national media
when the Broncos took bone Nicks saying, you know, calling
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us the clown show and saying we got the six quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But and Ryan was kind of laughed at on Twitter
for some of his strong opinions on bow and looks
looks like it's turned out favorably for him.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, it looks like it turned out favorably for Ryan,
but also for Bo Nix. And I can't wait to
see what Bo looks like in his sophomore season and
being more seasoned guy in Sean Payton's offense as going
to bowl well for him, And I know how difficult
it must have been for him as a rookie, even
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though I know during the pre draft process coach Payton said, well,
he was able to process the information well that they
gave him before his individual workout. But it's always a
little more intense once you kind of get into the season.
You start game planning and things started changing from week
to week. So great additions on both offense and defensive
side of the ball. I can't wait to see how
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this team actually puts it together and tries to make
another run, a legitimate run.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
To the playoffs. Yeah, I'm with you on that, Rocos
Country tonight. We'll be back after this
I'm gonna go right out to the U.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Can we comes for the hotline though, and bring on
our good friends from CBS for me, Me and romy.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey? You know what? This morning the ass? But you
know what, we got the Nuggets to focus on, so
that's always a good time of year, good distractions all around.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We did you were you were at the Nuggets game,
and obviously they blew them out. So I have to
ask why didn't we clone romy Bean and have her
simultaneously at the Avs game for the the Roamy Bean bump.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, I feel like if anyone could figure out cloning,
it'd be you, Ben, So I'm gonna put that one
on you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I will take I will take the blame.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is my fault that we did not clone you
to have you at at both games.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How big was that though?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean the Nuggets blew the Clippers out of the
gym in that game.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean it wasn't even close.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was never close, even from the outset when when
Brown was uh put you know, putting early baskets on it.
That never felt like La was ever in that game.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Broad and Game seven was not on my Bengo card.
I thought this was gonna come down. Before the games
of that series were won by six points or fewers,
three by a single possession. I thought, we have another
ag don't get the buzzer type of the thing. A
brow in just so unexpected, but so good for this
Nuggets team and to kind of keep them going with
the momentum, with the adrenaline. It was just one day
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rest now to take on ok See, they got a
little bit of a chance to rest the starters a
little bit there in the fourth. Alman put him back
in late. But all of that rumor helps them now
going into what's going to be a really tough game.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
All right, Obviously you know this is a tough matchup
for the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They split the season. I do believe two games apiece.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But we were talking about individuals who can be impact players,
and obviously right away from the Nuggets you talk about
Nkolee Jokic, and then you think about Jamal Murray. But
for me, the wildcard is a person who's some considered
to be a wild type of player.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
And I don't know how you looked at it, romy
but I thought he was extraordinary win. It counted the
most can we get that same type the play do
you think from a wild card like Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think that the Nuggets have to get that and
they think that they can. I mean, this is like
a Russ revenge for right. He just knocked out the Clippers,
his most recent team. Now he's taken on the team
where he made his legacy, his first team, the team
that drafted him, the team manificated MVP on I think
it's had definitely different emotions in terms of it's kind
of all love from Okcy, but that's the kind of
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thing that Russe really gets up for. He loves that
and he love through it and he plays through in
But I think having that added motivation and knockout a
forward team like that that riled him up. And he
even said which I think we all appreciated. Heman has
acknowledged the Russell Westbrook experience. It was. There are highs,
there are lows. He's gonna make that dunk, He's going
to miss that dunk, but the energy that he brings
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the Nuggets just didn't have that last year. I think
it's such an asset and who they'll have to play
and be the sixth man is the Nuggets. There's a
lot of ways that the Nuggets will have to do
well to pull off this an upset, but ruffle I
took playing well and maybe living with some of those
coffee mistakes. But coming up question in the rooms big moments.
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You have to see talk with.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Roby Bean from CBS size.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
As we look at these series, this is a different
animal for the Nuggets. I mean, the okayse is deep.
They've got a deep bench, They're well rested. They swept
a fifty plus win team like it was not a
thing in the opening round. They're going to need some
of that Russell Westbrook energy off the bench. But what
else are they going to need that we're not that
we haven't seen so far to be able to get
past this Thunder team.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I think this sounds like Okay, romy but Nicolay
Oakuch has to play like the best basketball player in
the world. He didn't necessarily do that in the Clipper series.
For me, the Clipper series was about everybody else. You
look at the game seven wins, They'd six players score
fifteen or more points. It was about Okay, everybody around Yoku.
This is the series where the Thunders defense is absolutely suffocating.
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I've got more perimeter defenders than they know what to
do with. To me, I think this is going to
come down to Jokic and Aaron Gordon down low, How goody,
how nasty, how aggressive can they be in the post,
because I think that's how you win this series. They're
going to make it really hard for Jamorrow, for Mpja,
for all these guys to get to their spots around
the perimeter. So I know it sounds basic to say
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Yogic has to be his absolute best, but I do
think this comes down to what Yokic and ag can
do in the pain.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Y'all want to back up.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
For a second romy talk a little hockey, And obviously
you know you mentioned when you first came on talking
about how disappointing that Game seven Laws was against I
mean too the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
But I can't help but think, well, in Game.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Six, the ABS put up seven goals, and I wonder
that they come in a bit too confident in that
Game seven against the Stars because Miko Rantanen was was cessational.
Whatever you want to say about him as an AS fan,
not liking it, but he was sensational. What do you
think was the biggest reason for the letdown after I
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mean going up to nothing with thirteen minutes remaining in
the third period.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, this one, this one makes this one so hard
to stomach, and how they lost and you're kind of
trying to reason with it and find reasons and there's
not like a particularly good reason for why the apps
should have dropped this game. And I don't think that
they were overally cocky. I don't personally think that way.
You know, it was almost like Dallas did play like
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they wanted it a little bit more perhaps, but it
just feels like there's something that was a little bit
off with his ass team. I don't know if cal
mccarr was hurt, but I it feeled like I have
a sneaking suspicion that he was. Christickfallen and Josackic will
talk tomorrow, maybe we'll find out. But I mean, when
cale mccarr is invisible the way he was, it makes
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me feel like something was going on. And when you
can eliminate him, you know, Peter Moore said in before game, say,
except eighty percent of their game planning goes into shutting
down Calee mccarr and Nathan McKinnon, and they either did
that with Cale mccarr or a combination of that or
him being hurt one or the other. But they're just
such they were just kind of just ground down, you know,
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grinded down the Abs, and the Abs didn't seem to
have that little extra bit of book to put them
over the top. And the hard part about it is
you're like, why Dave Lillma, this guy came back. They
had this roster that was reuvem that they got all
this depth. They had a good reason why, and I
think that's why there's some exasperation for Nathan McKinnon after
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the game where he kind of said where do we
go from here?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like he's an overhaul it. Who are you going
to trade? The salary cap so tight? So I think
that's what makes this one really distressing too for the
ass not to mention Dallas was without his two best
players and they couldn't beat him, and Nathan McKinnon mentioned that,
so that, you know, it's kind of distressing if you
look ahead to what is next.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
For this team, be from CBS maybe a little bit bittersweet.
I mean, Grant talked about this earlier. How you know,
he's like, well, wait, a minute. Maybe I'm not a
die hard ABS fan because I was kind of rooting
for Miko Ranton and once the you know, the hat
trick thing came came about.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When you look at when you look at it from
that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, obviously we're all want of the Apps to win,
But was there at least something to him getting that
hat trick that felt good for Denver fans?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I mean, I think we probably not right now. I
personally am not mad at Nico, and I won't be
mad at Nico, And I think you guys know this.
I've seen this, We've seen the story so many times.
I mean, you can't blame a guy for chasing money.
You can't at all, especially in the NHL, where you
know they're not making what basketball players are making, they're
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not making what MLV players are making. You can't. He
just can't blame him. I personally, I have no hate
in my heart for me going in, and I think
that what he him leaving there was no vengeance for
anything sort of ill low towards the Apps. So I
think you can feel both. I think you can still
feel too sad that the ADS are out and still
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have kind of love for me, go rand them. That's
how I personally feel. I think there are some fans
that don't feel that way. I think it's very next.
I think it's split right down in the middle. But
I mean Nicole did he played his brains out and
it was incredible and you got to tip your cap.
It's nothing else.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Now here's a wild question for you, Romi. If you
choose not to answer it, I totally understand. But this
is going to be a question that I know AVS
fans are going to be upset with me, but I'll
be We're missed if I didn't ask this question based
on knowing as though you faced against the Stars and
two of their best players, like you said, did not
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play in that series, and you lost in game in
a tough Game seven, do you think that window for
the Avs are starting to close?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You know, this is one of those things where we
have Nathan McKinnon and Cale mccarr. The windows always open,
the same thing as like when you have Nicoley Okich.
The window it's almost it's always open, but what are
you doing around it? And I think that's why I,
as fans, have been kind of itching the past couple
of days. Are there any changes coming? You don't have
a you have so much less flexibility in hockey to
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kind of make big changes. But I think that's why
fans kind of wanted to maybe see something, see some
sort of a move. May mean Autom's drastic, aspiring Michael Malone,
Calvin Booth, but something because you can't release these two
guys window. I still think their window is open right now,
I really do. But I will say that he's got
an issue looking forward because they made a lot of
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these trains. They brought in these guys, you know, at
the trade deadline, Rock Nelson, you know, Charlie pull a
lot of these guys, and the Abs do not have depths,
do not have a lot of young talent, young prospects
because they traded a lot of them away. They don't
have a lot of important draft picks going forward. So
you look forward and it is a little bit of
a break. How are they going to enagle This front
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office is going to have to pull off something pretty
impressive because don't have you don't have the young assets
moving forward, you know, you really don't. So maybe you're
moving somebody like Sam Gerrard. You got to figure something
out because you can't waste these guys.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Prime time with Roby Bean from CBS speaking of wasting something.
I mean, we're at Bonnicks's rookie window. How do the
Broncos best not waste that? We just completed the draft,
you know, how do we frame this thing so we
best don't waste that as we're coming off our first
playoff bid in a decade.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh, you know, you know, the sophomore year is always exciting,
right because everybody talks about the softmore swamp will they
won't say I think that. And I know there's a
lot of people that were upset with the draft, you know, going, oh,
this is kind of so defensive heavy. But I think
a solid defense is so huge for bone Nicks. Now,
I'm not going to take away the fact that he
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needs weapons, but to have a defense that, when you
look at this top to bottom lineup can be absolutely
so dominant. We've seen it before. We've seen how much
a really good defense helps out an offense, and I
think that it can benefit bo Nicks tremendously if this
defense is able to just you know, be one of
the top scoring defenses in the league that allows bow
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breathing room right in case he does have a slump
here or there, and then you know you need the
guys to pan out Evan Ingram obviously you didn't draft.
While you drafted, you know late, a tight end is
more of a project, So you need your Evan Ingram's
to work out. You need Troy Franklin to have his
breakout your I think people are a little upset about receiver,
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but I feel like everybody's forgetting about Devon Beley. I
feel like he's gonna have a huge role. I feel
like he could be a Tim Patrick for him, really reliable.
So I feel like that Brunos have so many pieces
around bow knicks right now that it's a good forecast.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well, wellmy, what does this say when you have athletes
who play for other professional teams coming out.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And supporting one another.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
What I mean by that because with the As games
and the Nuggets games, we've seen a lot of the
Broncos players showing up either in suites or courtside to
support the fellow.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Professional teams here in this market.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But what does that say about the sports scene that
maybe other cities don't really have.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, I love that. I always think it's so cool
and it's always cool and you're in the arena to
see reaction. I mean, the fans get so excited them.
There is such a good sports down. I mean, we
always talk everyone. I thought it was so cool that
the Nuggets kept the Adams game on after the game,
and a lot of people stay at Ballerina, people who
love their sports here and it kind of just it's
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such good vibes. But it's the fans get so excited
when they pan over to that Bronco's box or you
see Bonnicks sitting courtside, and you know, it's one of
those things that it's just cool. It's just cool to
see and you kind of love to see it, you
And I think I think it moves a lot for
fans of Denver to see these guys really making Denver
their home and really, you know, attaching them selves to
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the Denver sports teams, even if they you know, went
to had other teams obviously growing up. So it's a
cool scene and it kind of unites the whole sports scene.
And I love seeing the fans reaction.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They always go crazy talking with Roby Bean from CBS,
Robie which team is best positioned to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Next?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Would that be the Avs, who feel like they may
have to retool a little bit, The Nuggets, who you
know are still in the playoffs, the Broncos who are
coming off a playoff berth and seem to be a
sending which team is best position to win a championship?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Next?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I see you didn't mention the Rockies there.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Would you like me to mention the k Okay also
the Rockies?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Also the Rockies to win the championship for worst team,
that's the possibility. That's such an interesting question because as
you were asking that, and I haven't had this thought
for probably a good decade, but I almost feel like
my immediate thought went to the Broncos. And I think
that's because a couple of things. I think the ads
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I'm gonna lot to figure out. I feel concerned about
the ABS future. And maybe it's just the recency bias
of what just happened, but I feel concerned about that.
I feel like I'm in a reserve judgment on the
Denver Nuggets to see.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
What they do this offseason.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think if they make a big move, they bring in,
you know, a big All star for Yokush to play with.
Then they're not far off, and that kind of feels
like the easy answer. But let's just say they don't
do anything with the roster. Yeah, I'm going to look.
I know the AFC is loaded, but I think the
Broncos are building towards it and it could be not
that far off.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, Romie, a big game tonight for the Denver Nuggets,
So I can't let you get out of here without
giving us a peak inside to what you think this
series is going to be the game the series? But
the Clippers went game seven with seven games, So what
are we looking at you?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
What are Nuggets fans looking at here?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
As far as facing this young, aggressive, in your face
O casey.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thunder team, I don't feel good about tonight, ma honest,
I think there's like a crazy stat the team's coming
off a sweep playing against a team that played in
the game seven or like fourteen and one. So we're
gonna letch that I ride out see what happens. But
I think I'm gonna go two options, Nuggets and six
or Thunder and seven.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, all right, I respected I'm hoping that the Nuggets
can catch them nap at tonight. I'm hoping that you
know they're having that time off, maybe makes them a
little rusty.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Maybe the Nugget catch them mapping away. Who knows. Maybe
it's a vain hope, but it's it's what I've got romy.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
We We appreciate it as always. Look forward to catching
up with you here again soon.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You guys are the best. I will say the Nuggets
have like nine days off between the Western Conference finals
and the NBA Finals. I'm not sure to be a
negative Nancy, but rest of Taylk is not a bad
thing in the NBA. So that's not great.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Fair enough, Well, we'll just call you wet blanket roll
me from now on. I will pass the title on
to what knops kid. Hey, I appreciate you, appreciate you
as always.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
All right, talkis later, Rubbie B from CBS. When we
come back. Ryan Michael's going to join us right here.
I'm Broncos Country to I Stacy for Utah. Text in
so is hey, guys, stay from Utah. I will admit
I drink the orange kool aid. I think we could
draft kids out of Little League, and I would like
our draft.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But taking the orange goggles off for a second. I
really do like what we did in the draft.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I feel like teams are gonna have to try to
run the ball on us because of our dB situation,
and I believe with a loaded box teams are not
going to be able to run on us.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
They're going to have to pick the poison. What say you,
I say you, Dawn. Right now, I'm going to continue
to say the Broncos country. I'm gonna say it at nauseum.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I know Ryan Edwards hates me for saying it, but
I don't give too nicholas about it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
The Broncos defense has always.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Been mcgiver, right, and they're going to continue to be
mcgiver and adding today Baron to the mix is only
going to make mcguiver that much better. So more turnovers,
more possessions for bo Nicks, and hopefully the means more touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
For Rgie Harvey.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Does that make Pat mahomes Murdoch. No, doesn't make him Murdoch. Well,
you hope so, because mcguyver beats Murdoch every time.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Okay, so we're talking a team and we're talking to
my guy. But it was the two different Murdock is
from mcguiver. He was the bar in the in the
black leather he was. He was mcguiver's arch nemesis.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't remember that. All I remember are the great
things that mcgiver did.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, we're gonna go out to the k a Common
Sparrel hotline and bring on our good buddy Ryan, Michael
and Steve.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He remembers Murdoch like a like a real fan. All right,
how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (17:32):
I'm doing well, guys, and I've never seen an episode, so,
oh my god, how.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
How how have I on a show where none of
you guys remember my favorite show of all time. Mcguiver's
hair was feathered and lethal. That mullet, that was the
that was the look back in the eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Was was Murdoch a villain? Yeah, of course it was
the Blas, it was the Archer. Phasis just it wasn't
my favorite. I'm just anyway, Ryan, you know, it's been
and it's been interesting. We've taken the DeLorean out for
a few spins so.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Far this season, taking a ride on the BCT time
Machine twice, talking about the five and thirteen oh thirteen?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Twenty thirteen Broncos squads during past shows it is the
ten year anniversary of the twenty fifteen team. Obviously they
won Super Bowl fifty. And what are your initial thoughts
when we're reflecting back on that season.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I'd say the.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
First is like, I don't know where the ten years
have gone. It feels more like three or four to me.
When I think of the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos. One
of the first things that comes to mind for me
is how the entire complexion of the AFC changed after
that season. Since that time, between twenty sixteen and twenty
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twenty four, either Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes has represented
the AFC in eight out of nine Super Bowls, only
the one between Joe Burrow and Matt Safford. If we
have a different representative from the AFC, and you know,
there's a little bit of I think a Mandella effect
when we think back to the Tom Brady Payton Manning rivalry,
because during the seasons where those two quarterbacks were active
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at the same time, Brady made five appearances in the
Super Bowl, Manning made four. And if we narrow it
down the seasons when both quarterbacks were healthy, because we'll
get into twenty fourteen a little bit, but it's really
four and four. So the entire complexion of the conference
changed after Manning retired and after Broncos won that Super Bowl.
So just a different world we're living in.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Well, Ryan, when we looked at defense as a whole,
and let's go back and rewind just a little, when
we look at the Orange Crust per se, they were
dominating defense. And when if we were the fast forward,
we've seen some other defenses with with the Baltimore Ravens,
we see some all the other dominating defense, even with
the Broncos themselves in the no fly zone. Now, are
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you of the belief that defense still wins championship or
has things changed in your mind?
Speaker 7 (20:01):
They've not changed. It's always been true and it's always
been a team sport. But you know, as far as
the adage defense wins championships. From a historical perspective, there
have been fifty nine Super Bowl champions. Forty nine out
of the fifty nine Super Bowl champions all had not
a top ten but a top eight defense. And the
(20:21):
stat that I cite fairly frequently, Brady won seven, Montana
won four, Terry Bradshaw won four, eight min one three.
So we're talking four Hall of famers there with eighteen
Super Bowl championships combined. Every single one of those eighteen
championships came with a top eight defense. All of those
Hall of Famers their entire careers combined, anytime their defense
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is dipped outside of the top eight, they combined to
win zero rings. So you look at teams like the
two thousand and six Bolts, the two thousand and nine Saints,
those are absolute outliers. So defense absolutely wins championships. We
saw two top five defenses go at it this year,
and the history has been pretty consistent. So that was
true for us certainly in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's just as true.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Today talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
Peyton Matney came to Denver, was dominant pretty much from
the get go, but he was coming off that injury.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
But he was coming off an injury that cost him
a season with the Colts. It was an injury. I mean,
there were people at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Speculating he was one bad sneeze away from being a paraplegic,
which obviously was incorrect. A tough end though in the
twenty fourteen season, and then obviously twenty fifteen. Statistically speaking,
at least, it seemed like he sort of fell off
a cliff.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I mean, obviously we know about the injuries. Was was
it just the injuries?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Did it all just take its toll? Finally at that point?
What happened to Manning in the final season in your estimation.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
I think you have to go back a little bit
before twenty fifteen and you just look at the timeline.
I don't think after all of those procedures on his neck,
Manning was ever anywhere close to one hundred percent physically
what he was ever again in his last few years
in Indianapolis, he wasn't one hundred percent either. He was
(22:05):
playing hurt. There was a reason why he needed those surgeries,
And so I think a lot of people almost took
for granted how dominant he was when he joined the
Denver Broncos. He was a first team All Pro selection
runner up. FRAMDP really should have been NFL MVP in
twenty twelve, in my opinion, And because the numbers were
the typical video game numbers you expected from Paydon Manning,
(22:26):
I think the people who weren't watching every stamp just
assumed he was back to being paid physically he wasn't,
and so he had two high ankle sprains in twenty thirteen.
That something we talked about a few weeks ago. He
really played half of that season injured and his legs
were braced up in Super Bowl forty eight. He wasn't
healthy in Super Bowl forty eight. When you get into
twenty fourteen, the thing that happened with Manning is his
(22:49):
arm was never the same after the surgeries. So what
he was able to do is he mastered his passing
mechanics and he generated a lot of torque by putting
a lot of pressure, wear and tear on his quads,
especially so he tore his right quads so badly in
twenty fourteen that the bruising from the injury spread to
the back of his leg. I don't know if you
(23:10):
remember going back to the Divisional round against Indianapolis at
the end of the twenty fourteen season, there were a
lot of questions whether or not Peyton Manning could even
play again. So when he came back in twenty fifteen,
his body didn't hold up for the pole season. He
Taurus Planter Fascian, So statistically I refer to twenty fifteen
Peyton Manning as the greatest bad season of all time
(23:31):
because it's a small sample size of games, and when
he was bad, he was really, really, really bad. He
did end the season top ten in tact percentage. He
did end the season leading the NFL in game winning
drives and fourth quarter comebacks if you include the postseason.
So there were certainly, certainly some high points, but physically
he was never the same. And so I think John
(23:52):
Elway saw that early after we got blown out in
Super Bowl forty eight. He did a lot of moves
in free and he told build up a defense that
really came to truition a year later in twenty fifteen.
So the injuries are really at the root for why
Peyton Manning suffered the statistical decline he did. I think
that does overshadow a little bit some of his dominant performances,
(24:13):
certainly Sunday Night football against the Green Bay Packers that year,
and he certainly played good football at the beginning of
the AFC Championship game against New England. So the injuries
caught up with him. Thank goodness, we have the twenty
fifteen Broncos defense.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, that's interesting you bring that up, because there
was a quick share from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen
where it went from an offensive philosophy to that much
of a defensive philosophy. And how do you think the
Broncos were able to kind of pull that off and
switching within that two years to go from being offensive
(24:47):
mining to a defensive mining shift.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
It's a great question, And as I said earlier, I
think a lot of credit really should go to John Eli.
I think he saw what was happening and he made
move during the twenty fourteen offseason. If you go back
to the Super Bowl forty eight, we had a former
original XFL linebacker Paris Lennon in our starting lineup. Chap
(25:11):
Bailey wasn't one hundred percent healthy. We didn't have Von Miller.
He was suspended at the beginning of the year and
he injured the apl towards the end of the year.
So we always looked to that Super Bowl and how
our offense underperformed, But our defense was just as bad,
if not worse. We gave up forty three total points,
zero sacks on Russell Wilson. So you fast forward to
(25:33):
the twenty fourteen offseason, we pick up TJ. Ward, a
key to leave DeMarcus Ware and in twenty fourteen, Chris
Harris really ascended. That was his first Pro Bowl, in
first ap All Pro selection season in twenty fourteen. So
the ingredients were there in twenty fourteen. It took a
little bit to make that full transition, and the timing
(25:54):
couldn't have been better because as Aydon Manning and the
offense were a shadow of what they used to be.
Our defense obviously is said to being what.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We were Toddler, Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
the defense capt it going after twenty fifteen, after Manning left,
we were a bit in QB limbo, starting with the
ill fated Mark Sanchez versus the skittles Man Trevor Simeon
quarterback duel all the way through Russell Wilson siding here,
(26:22):
I know you've been bullish on Bo.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Obviously since he was drafted. Have we we finally figured
it out?
Speaker 7 (26:29):
You know, it's a great rookie season, that's for sure.
I need to see a greater sample size of success
from Bonix and the offense as high as I've been
on hand since his time in Oregon. You know we've
seen in live time from twenty twenty three to twenty
twenty four. I always say C. J. Stroud is one
of the best examples. Third in the NFL and adjusted
(26:50):
net yards forer at tempus. Rookie dropped all the way
down the twenty seventh flast year, And because Houston made
the postseason, people aren't really unpacking the numbers and watching
as much of the tape. But when opposing defenses have
a full season, and in those case, because he's durable
and he started really from the preseason all the way through,
we have eighteen regular season slash playoff games of all
(27:11):
twenty two for opposing defenses to study. That's going to
be a tremendous challenge for bonets. That's going to be
a tremendous challenge for Sean Payton. So will Sean be
able to keep up with modern offenses? Will he continue
to be creative? Will he continue to build the offense
in his image? That remains to be seen. But I'm
not so quick to say that we have our quarterback
(27:32):
in the future because of one spectacular rookie season. We
need to see a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
When you watched this current iteration of the Denver Broncos defense,
are there any similarities to that twenty fifteen defense, anything
that you're seeing that can remotely make fans just go
giddy like a schoolgirl because of what they're seeing every
time the defense on the field.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Sure, I mean statistic very similar The twenty fifteen Broncos
gave up eighteen and a half points per game. Last
year we gave up eighteen point three points per game,
which is impressive when you consider the statistical inflation. It's
a different era. It's a decade past now. So I
see a little bit of Wade Phillips advance Joseph, and
I guess if we're stretching to find similarities. Gary Kubiak
(28:20):
was an offensive guy who had passed success trying to
rekindle that in Denver, and Sean Payton doing the same.
It's not a perfect comparison, sure, but we are a
defensive driven football team until we're not. Our past history
suggests that that can change very quickly. As you had
mentioned that the transition from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen,
we're talking, in my opinion, the greatest offense in NFL
(28:44):
history in twenty thirteen, and then two years later you
have one of the greatest defenses of the decade, maybe
one of the greatest defenses of all time in twenty fifteen.
So things can change very quickly. But as it stands
right now, defense is still our identity here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, how that is talk with Ryan. I let the
Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Twitter contributed to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and
coaching analysts for the European League Football. As we look
at this thing going forward, you know, we had some
ups and downs last year.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It took a couple of weeks for voting it going,
but he get going.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The defense though, got beaten up twice the Baltimore Ravens,
Buffalo Bills. Both those teams had a power run game going.
That just kind of put it to us. Have we
done enough to shore that up this offseason? You know?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
On paper, as I had said last week, I love
the additions. I love Jadde barn I love taking Jones
in the third, I love continuing to add bricks on
top of strengths because, as they said last week, we
cannot take the success of twenty twenty four and just
roll into twenty twenty five and assume that we're going
to be a top three defense again. That is so
(29:49):
difficult to do. Regression is such a very real thing
in the NFL. We can't take that success for granted.
As far as what we're able to do along the
defensive line, our pass into the greater strength in our
run defense. I'm very hopeful and optimistic that our defense
is going to be strong again this year, but we
have to prove it week by week. I know it's
a cliche, but it's something that we really have to earn,
(30:10):
not assume.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Well, I guess every question I've had really is stated
what side of the ball I lean heavily towards. So
I'm not going to go in a different direction of
state with the defense. When you look at how that
the Broncos secondary is currently constructed, and you mentioned today
day Baron, I mean, how does he factor into that
(30:36):
and how does that change or should change opponent's mind
when trying to attack the Broncos secondary.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I think the fact that his skill set is such
that you can line him up anywhere. That's what they
did at Texas last year, so you know, you can
line them up against the number one, you can put
them in the slot. There's so many things that he
can do. And because injuries are a real thing too.
I mean, there were times where pats Artan was not
one hundred percent last year and he could have really
used a guy like Baron. So we're continuing to stack
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those bricks on top of strengths that we already have.
But given the fact that we can plug him pretty
much anywhere we want him to be, assuming he has
a good camp, I don't see any reason why he
can't be starting for a state one.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Brian, we appreciated as always, brother, and you know, we
look forward to chatting with you again down the line.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Sometime sounds good.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Guys appreciate having me on.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Absolutely take care Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael contributor
at the Pro Football Hall of Fame and defensive analysts
though for the progue Lions and the European League of Football.
And always fun to get a chance to catch up
with him, and you know he was he was very
bullish on bow before anybody else was bullish on bow.
You know, we had a lot of the national media
when the Broncos took bone Nicks saying, you know, calling
(31:47):
us the clown show and saying we got the six quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
But and Ryan was kind of laughed at on Twitter
for some of his strong opinions on bow and looks
looks like it's turned out favorably for him.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, it looks like it turned out favorably for Ryan,
but also for Bo Nix. And I can't wait to
see what Bo looks like in his sophomore season and
being more seasoned guy in Sean Payton's offense as going
to bowl well for him, And I know how difficult
it must have been for him as a rookie, even
(32:18):
though I know during the pre draft process coach Payton said, well,
he was able to process the information well that they
gave him before his individual workout. But it's always a
little more intense once you kind of get into the season.
You start game planning and things started changing from week
to week. So great additions on both offense and defensive
side of the ball. I can't wait to see how
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this team actually puts it together and tries to make
another run, a legitimate run.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
To the playoffs. Yeah, I'm with you on that, Rocos
Country tonight. We'll be back after this
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