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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Short show post Rockies edition Benjamin all right here with you,
joined by the OG Triple OG Ryan Jamiroquai Edwards.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on, buddy? Not much, man, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm doing good, doing good.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Uh, we don't.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We don't get to have these these pairings as often
as as of course we like, but this presented a
perfect opportunity to do.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So. You know, we're just down at the stadium.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
A little little cool little preview thing and some sales
stuff going on. But nice to see Demanti Leitch and
hear him talk a little bit about the forthcoming schedule
release coming up here and.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
What is it about the week?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
About a week? Yeah, find out perhaps if the Broncos
get that international game in Germany, although it's looking like
the Falcons are gonna swipe that, we'll see and uh yeah,
what did what did we coming away from that? What
did you most? What did you most come out of that?
I'm just messing with you, man. I was like, I
don't know if we're supposed to really like talk about
that at all?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No, not so much. It's like fight club. It wasn't
fight club, but we.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Don't talk about business club.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I I was just messing with the other scheduled thing.
I because, like every we know what the opponents are.
You know what the opponents are. You really just don't
know the order. But as you look at this schedule,
I mean, we've got some tougher games this year. I
know that the over underwent up obviously five and a
half last year or nine and a half this year,
But there are tougher games on the schedule issue. You
get the NFC East, and I mean outside of New York,
that's a tough division. The Cowboys got a little bit
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tougher ostensibly over the course of the last twenty four hours,
adding George Pickens opposite Ceede Lamb. What do you think
of that move?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You're all over the place, which is a typical Ben
all Bryce is how we did Broncos. The word sounids like,
I think you tossed at me about seven topics in the.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
First thirty second. You're gonna bite on one of them.
If you go fishing, you throw seven lures in there,
you see what comes up.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, Pikets is interesting, right, Not certainly a guy
that I would have wanted here in Denver. I know
that oftentimes is the case when a player is traded,
you look at the trade value, and you look at
what the Cowboys gave up, which is the third round
of this next year, and I think a Day three
swap in twenty twenty seven, and you think to yourself, oh, okay, well,
cause the Broncos have been in on that. I I
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don't think that that would be wise choice, partly because
of his personality, which again we need to keep saying this.
Mike Tomlin is like the Phil Jackson master motivator, being
able to keep these personalities. I mean, see what Antonio
Brown has done post Pittsburgh Steelers. Go beyond that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
When was the last time Pittsburgh willingly let go of
a wide receiver that had any sustained success afterwards? It's
Emmanuel Sanders, That's the example. That's the example, right, and
so Skill Burist maybe a little bit, but Chase Claypool
and Brown, you know, we on on and on with all.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
These, but just the personalities is the fact that he
continues to they win games and he has these kinds
of personalities that I mean, you can see a playout
on the field with Antonio Brown was an example, obviously,
but even with with George Pickens, I again, I thought
about that this morning, and I'm like, I don't know
what they think they're getting out there in Dallas. I
think they're certain getting a talented wide receiver. But mercurial
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is being kind uh in this case when it comes
to George Pickens. But I I coming back to the
original point for the it just didn't make a lot
of sense. It wouldn't have made a lot of sense here.
I actually think as we take a look at this,
because Gabe Davis is the other piece of information from
this morning, the Broncos wide receiver room isn't kind of
sets in a lot of ways. I mean, most years
we come into this thing saying, well, you know, you
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get past the first four, maybe first five, they got six, Like,
they got six wide receivers, They're gonna make this roster.
And then they're like, no, denying that unless Trent Sherfield
somehow is not going to be in the equation of that,
which I think he is. Obviously, that's six wide receivers
before you get into guys that are competing for the room.
I don't think you really need to be talking about
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other wide receivers to be brought in. And again it
had to appreciably be better than what you think you
have in the room. And I think the Broncos are
really pretty excited about what they got.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What would you think if and it's been suggested before
that Pittsburgh would be interested in Courtland Sutton if the
Broncos decided that they're still too far apart on any
potential deal with Courtland Sutton, which they are still a part,
you know what what happens if you move on from
Courtland side, you trade him, let's say, to Pittsburgh or whatever.
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Then does that change your mind about you know, a
potential ad or I'm of the opinion you go, you roll.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
With what you got. It could, but once again, we've
talked about it quite a bit with Evan Ingram, Like
what you have with Evan Ingram is who.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Is basically a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He listed a tight end, but yeah, he's basically a
wide receiver and that's what he's gonna be out there running.
He's gonna be running wide receiver routes. So I it
could change it a little bit, I guess, But I
just feel as though that the opportunity to move him
really was probably around the draft. I mean this point,
you're gonna roll with him this year if you decide,
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And Whi's another weird part of that whole George Pickens things.
Just for a second, he's playing the last year in
his deeal. You traded those assets and you're not even
assigned to extension. He's gonna hit free agency. He gave
him a third rounder for a rental on a team
that could be good, could be bad. I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
This sort of tells us a little bit about Dallas'
offseason plans next year because the compensive formula, Yes, so
that sort of tells us a little bit about that
that they expect to lose a bunch of guys in
an effort to get compensatory formula picks back and kind
of game the system that way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But even then, like, you're right, you're right. I mean,
certainly you could get up to a third but that's
assuming Pickens gets that kind of return.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And well, if he balls out this year, then goes
somewhere else, I mean, where he could still sign in
Dallas the year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Once again, that's an assumption, right, I mean, he may
not even be the biggest wide receiver name out on
the market at that time. I mean he could be.
He certainly got the talent, but we again, we know
what about his personality. There's a reason why at this
point the Steelers have been shopping him now for however
many months. It's not because of his talents. It's certainly
not because of his talent. And they made the trade
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for DK Metcalf knowing that they'd be moving on from
George Pickens. But yeah, back to Corland Sutn here for
a second. It just feels like your opportunities to move him,
or if not move him, substantially invest in the room
in a way that tells us you're planning on move him,
were passed that you added Pat Bryan in the draft. Yea,
added Evan ingram y Ad Trent Sherfield. Those are your receivers.
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None of that screams to me, we're ready to move
on from Courtland Sutton or we believe our room is
already said. Now to that point, you and Dave have
continued to push the Devon Vley. I guess propaganda would
be the best way I can describe it. You and
Dave both continue to come at me and say they
think so highly of this guy that he could be
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a one for them. Then that becomes a bit of
a different conversation if that's the direction you decide to go.
Like I said, there's just nothing they've done so far
this offseason that tells me that Courtland Sutton isn't part
of the plan.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well yeah, I mean aside from signing him to extension, right,
which sort of brings me to the next point here
that there are three guys, three main guys. They're multiple guys,
but three main guys that need what are probably going
to be big money deals going forward, Courtland Sutton, Zach
Allen and Nick Benito and based you just just looking
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at this thing, it feels like there's an odd man
out here, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, maybe the.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Broncos signed Courtless Sutton to a long term extension, but
advance is here, Zach Allen's going to be here, and
you know, Nick Benito I think has given them enough
reason that they need to pay him. At this point,
he's developed into I think what they'd envisioned there are.
You know, there's some a few limitations. You know, he's
still with the run game, he's still a little he
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gets pushed right a little bit sometimes. But there there
are three guys that need big one. He deals and
it looks like two guys that are probably getting them.
So at that point, which one of those three are
you sacrificing?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah? I saw this being debated on Twitter earlier today,
and that's so tough. I would say that it's probably
Court if everything's being what it is, and it's not
to say I want it to be Court because I
think that he has been underrated as far as his
contributions to this team. Underrated certainly. You think of the
last two years for the Broncos. He got ten touchdowns
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with Russ he was by far wide receiver one for
this team. Last year with bon Nicks, Bonix looked his
way a lot. It's good to see Bonick spreading the
ball around, which makes you think that there's other ways
to supplement that. And they did improve their running back
and tight end room for a reason. But I can't
say goodbye to an ascending edge rusher. I know there's
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discussion about Nick Bonito and what maybe maybe he can't
repeat the thirteen and a half sack last year season
that he had. I think he actually can. I think
he has the talent to be able to do that.
You just you in the NFL. You did not. You
did not move on from ascending edge rushers unless they're
asking for money that you just simply can't afford. And
I don't think that's the case. They didn't draft, you know,
drafting Q Robinson or drafting Savian Jones. Isn't wasn't some
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kind of signal to me that, hey, I think we're
we're getting ready to blow this room up.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Now one of those guys, a special teams guy and
the others of John Franklin Myers replace.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's right, yeah, And given even giving Jonathan Cooper the
contract you did last year, was it was a bit
of a placeholder conversation more so than a Nick Bonito replacement, right,
I mean, would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh? Yeah, I think if anything, Ellis would have been
the guy that would have you know, like you're looking
at it as far as that goes, And I believe
that they believe they've got big plans for him. This
year is kind of a you know, a third man
in that rotation. Coop and Benito will be on the outside,
but I also rotate through similar to the way when
you had Vaughn and DeMarcus Ware the Shaq Barrett, you
know was rotating through behind them, and so I think
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that that's sort of their plan when they get this.
If they get other bodies involved and they happen to
be productive, so be it. But I think that's that's
loosely their plan as far as it goes. That's their
three head of jabberwocky. When it comes to, you know,
the pass.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Rush, you want to have a lot of bodies, and
that's just the way they're approaching it. That's what the
way they had the success they had last year was
was having a lot of guys that they could rotate in. Certainly,
you know that there's a speed element that they really
tend to like there on the outside, and they like
to be heftier inside, especially against the run. So the
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way that they're they're designing this and building this is
an archetype. And so that's why Nick Bedinto is so
so valuable. Now if for some reason Kee Robinson, who
I think is the closest to as far as body type,
if he suddenly does something. But I think he's more
of a special teams guy that you're going to develop
long term versus say Jonah Ellis. When you brought him in,
you knew he was going to have a year one role.
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May not be a full time role, it's gonna be
year one role. I think Q is more of a hey,
we think these guys have special teams and we'll just
develop some of this stuff. Because he had what five
starts in total at Alahata.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, I mean he's a special teams guy. And if
he happens to give you some productivity and you know
on defense, so be it. I think when when you
look at this and when you look at when you're
drafting anybody, your first round draft picks or guys you
expect to contribute your one, your your second and third
round guys, which is day two draft pics. You expect
those guys to contribute year one and then work, you know,
be a starter year two hopefully, and then everybody else's
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a dart throw. And so I think that's where you're
at with that with Ellis. You know, they had the rotation, uh,
and you got a little bit of rotational work last year,
but they expect him, I think, to contribute a little
bit more this year. And I think they looked at
that Super Bowl against the Chiefs and they saw what
Philadelphia was doing, which was sending Front seven guys in waves.
Your secondary basically had you know, your starters, and that
was that. But that Front seven they were sending those
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guys in waves against Kansas City and it was effective, right,
it stayed effective, and I think they want to kind
of sort of pick up on that philosophy. They want
to just it's not Benito and Cooper are starting and
they have, you know, a ton of sacks because they're
the guys they're starting. They want to be able to
send the pass rush in waves. They want to bring
in Tillman, they want to bring in Ellis. They want
those guys to be able to do They want to
back up excuse me, defensive lineman, the guys like a
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roach and and now Jones and those guys to be
able to be part of that rush that they continue
to send through. And they don't want to drop off
when they do that. So you know, as you look
at this, you know Zach Allen was a key cog
in what made that Front seven go h and has been.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And he was a key cog in part because of
the JFM edition part.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean he was, but I mean before John Frankly
Myers got here, he was still there before he was still.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was good, but he wasn't. He wasn't what he was.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Were able to double and sometimes triple him and keep him,
you know, in check. You aren't able to do that
with John Franklin Myers out there. But I think Zach
Allen has proven enough worth that you pay him. I
think Nick Benito is like, this is a homegrown dude
in a pass rush. You don't just move on from
good edge rushers. You know, you pay them. And Sean
Payton has certainly not been a guy let or edge
rushers walk. So that that which brings us back to
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the crux of this conversation. Are you willing to pay
Courtland Sutton twenty six million plus dollars per year, which
is what it's going to cost to get him?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You're not?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean that people are like, oh, maybe he'll take
twenty three. I'm like, bro, the number that the minimum
is twenty six and he wants more, So, you know,
are you willing to pay that? What is the drop
off to Pat Bryant de von Valet, which I I
don't believe the drop off to Vlea is as large
as people think it is, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, and that's the problem with Vala is we just
don't have enough of the sample size. You know, it's
not to say that he won't be there. And I
said the same thing to Dave, like, it's not to
say that he won't get there, it's just I don't know. Yeah,
and maybe i'll know after this year and I'll say, hey,
I already know now that he can be that guy
after his second season in the league.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But that's what separates us from the coaches, right dorks
and the microphone. We don't get the we're trying. They know,
they know in practice what they're doing, and they have
to have the four site to predict this is going
to happen. We got a big kiss work move while
we're sitting there, like, well, with the benefit of hindsight,
now we know he can do this, you know that
kind of thing. But yeah, I mean that's a gamble,
that's a that's a jobs on the line kind of gamble.
Cortland Sudden is sort of ingrained in Broncos Country's DNA,
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and he spent his whole career here. He was a
homegrown product. He was the spiritual successor to Damarius Thomas,
and so I think there is a sentimentality with fans
that comes with that. But pragmatically, I can't justify spending
twenty plus million on a receiver in this offense, Like
and if you understand how a Sean Payton offense works,
I can't justify spending twenty plus million on a receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, even though he did obviously with Michael Thomas and
with Marcus Colston. Both those guys got paid.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And Colston kept it up, but they I mean when
he got to the point where it wasn't viable anymore,
he was gone. Thomas got hurt, he wasn't viable anymore.
They kind of got stuck with that contract because the
void they started using all his void years. And that's
where you get in trouble with that stuff. Like everybody say, oh,
this is a freeway to bypass the cap. It's not
like you will if somebody gets hurt or something. You're
really sunk on that, especially if it's a high dollar player.
But I mean they've showed a propensity Sean Payton shon
up prophancy move on from receivers if they're not performing
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at the level. And that's just the ex receiver that
will pay the Z receivers. He just punchs through them.
I mean guys like Kenny Steels or Brandon Cooks or
whatever that went other places, Devrai Henderson, Ted Keen, etceterat cetera.
They just moved on from they used them. They used them,
and then they were like, all right, well we'll bring
the next guy up and not pay him. This makes
you wonder what for Marvin Mims, Marvin Ms or or
you know, if Troy Franklin ever grows into that role,
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if he if he does, and I'm not holding my
breath on that, but that's it. Maybe, But yeah, that
that's the construction of a Sean Payton helmed offense. Is
the money's in the offensive line and the quarterback, maybe
a receiver, uh maybe a running back on a mid
tier and then probably a tight end. You know, if
they get to that point, which the Broncos I think
is still you know, they paid him at Ingram, but
you know they're they're already at the Sean Payton construction
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on this offense, at least in terms of spreading the
dollars around.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, the way we sit right now, again back to
your original premise, if it's a choice being those three
players that think you're going with Benito and Allen and
then and then to say with Corland sudden, hey we
play on this year, or we can move you if
that feels better. We'd like to to see what happens,
you know, we'd like to go through this. But the
thing about it is, and we've talked about this for years,
you and I as we've been on the trail of
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the pre draft process. S wide receivers every year, man,
I mean every single year. And there are archetypes out
there for X receivers that got one in the third
round of Pat Bryant that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They will by the way, they will draft a receiver
every night.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Ao Maynor was out there like like there was guys
in the third round that they could also have looked
at and grabbed there as they continue to stock that room.
So I guess that's that's the way I look at
it is just based on the justification of what you
are and what you seem to be building. You're going
to continue to invest in the defense and to understand
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that that's how you really help your quarterback. I want
to get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You gotta stick graph more more sent in here, I
want to get into a little bit more because I
the idea. I like that idea, but I'm gonna play
the devil's advocate here about how it could be a
mistake sitting there and buying into and being continually a
defensive identity football team with the way that a that
Sean Payton coach and constructs a roster, and then b
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the economics of the NFL now, Because as much as
I love a great defensive football team and I think
it's a great idea to do, and especially with a
quarterback on a rookie deal at having having that batstop
and being able to do it, there are drop offs.
There are ways that can go awry for you rather quickly,
and I kind of want to get into that that whole,
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that whole philosophy or premise with you here. In just
a second, you guys, listen to Broncos Country Tonight, a
little bit of a short show edition post Rockies edition.
We come back Ryan Edwards and I we're gonna debate stuff.
I'm gonn tell him how he's wrong on everything. This
is a Broncos Country here on ka Wa. Welcome back
to it. Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Olbrien here with you,
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joined by the Og, the Triple Og, Ryan Jamia Quay Edwards.
I'm gonna sell that like like we did that for Steve,
but we're gonna do that for you year now. Jamerica
way better with Steve, way better with Steve.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And I don't think people understand.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Did you see that Jameric Way shirt he was wearing yesterday?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I did, Yes, it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was everything I could do, and I could and
I love Steve. It was everything I could do not
to make fun of that shirt.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I wanted to ask him if he brought some mayahuasca
tea with him or something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It like see this southwestern patterned uh and if you
know Steve, Steve's always wearing like a button down or
like broncos and this was like such a radical departure.
It was like this southwestern feet in like this buffalo
skull on it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm like, did you get that at a gas station?
Like what what are you wearing right here? And had
the peel in it and all this something. It was
like I was like, you know, what, did you just
stop off at BUCkies and get don and grab you know,
in West Texas somewhere and get there with you on
your way from this, I'll tell you I grew up
in New Mexico, somewhere in between Dallas and and you know,
El Paso. And this dude stopped off at a BUCkies
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in Odessa.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I've I grew up in New Mexico. That shirt is
that you nailed it. There's five variations.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's got the it's got the bone, the bleached bone
of the cattle head on it, or it's got like
the wolf, or it's got like the eagle with the
flag behind it, you know, like it's one of those
three variations.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It was tremendous. Yeah, when I saw that, there was
just like, I don't want to give you a hard time.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I let it go because like I picked out him
a little bit for this other shirt that he wore
like a few weeks back, and so I didn't, you know,
but yeah, I was like, I thought, you, where did
you get that shirt? And how can I avoid that place?
He is the greatest, he is, He's the absolute best.
Right Everward's joining us. We're talking a little bit before
the break about you know, the economics of building a
roster or whatever, and how we've got guys that are
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doue up for big money contracts Nick Benito, Zach Allen,
Courtland Sutton what we do in that situation, and I
think we both are an agreement that you invest in
the excuse me, in the defense there, you invest in
the defense. But on the flip side of that, in
the modern NFL, is it a mistake to have a
high dollar defense when on defense it only takes one
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thing to go wrong, You get injured, you get one
guy injured, it and you're you know, on offense, it
takes one thing going right right. On defense, it takes
one thing going wrong. And if you are heavily leveraged
on the defensive side of the ball and you get
an injury, especially if you don't have depth at whatever
position that is, you're in a world of hurt and
you know you've left a gaping hole that everybody's going
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to expose. You go back to last year and once
both corners sort of got hurt late in the season,
you saw people go after Riley Moss a little more
because they saw he was hurt and they he wasn't
quite the same. I mean, they were going after Jaquan
or Riley then went after Pat Certan a little bit,
but he kind of got back to being Pat Sartan
pretty quick. Is it a mistake for the Broncos to
put that much money in the defense or do they
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have the window solely because Bonix is on the rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think it's your window. And I think it goes
back to things that Sean Payton said, which includes taking
your quarterback off the high dive means having a good defense,
means having a good run game, means having a good
offensive line. Didn't say anything about having a great wide
receiver room, and he said, in fact, the opposite when
it comes to the wide receiver room, over and over again.
Happy with this room. And at some point you have
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to stop just interpreting the words and watch the actions.
The actions of the Broncos are telling you exactly what
they think of their wide receiver room. Adding Pat Bryant,
some people will say that's a little bit of a
Courtland Sutton insurance. Okay, fine, whatever. I don't even know
if that has to be the case. I think it's
just more of the archetype of the offense. I think
it's just like a big X and I think it's
a little Jordan Humphrey insurance more than necessarily. Yeah, I
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mean absolutely. I mean you're just thinking about a guy
that does all the dirty work. He likes to block,
he's got a great catch radius, and you know, the
forty time looks better on film at least than it
does what he did at the combine. And by the way,
very quickly on that, I thought it was interesting in
Nick Cosmider's article his rite up, but he did, and
we talked about it on KA Sports that he said
he had the option to run a new forty time
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into Pro Day. And you and I both know forty
time a Pro Day usually is a little more kind.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Rah the thirty five yard dash.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It's a little kider.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It's weird how that you know the yard lines on
the left side of the field on the right side
of the indoor track don't match up exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And when you run the second worst forty time of
any wide receiver, you would think it's a it's a guarantee,
it's a mortal lock that this guy is going to
do that as Illinois Pro Day, because why the heck
would you not? You could only improve your number, right,
I mean theoretically right, it could be worse, but I
maybe I guess I could have gotten worse. But let's
just be honest. Most have a prodage it's it's positive.
R it ends up being a positive. His mindset was,
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I don't care. He's like, you watch me play. You
know that that I am not a four to six
to one forty time guy. He ran away. I mean
not that fourth and thirteen that he did the game winner.
You're not running away from the entire field of dbs,
even if it is Rutgers, if you have a four
to six to one forty times he I mean again,
and that, by the way, amazing play. Also, don't ever
do that again, especially at the pro level, because you
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aren't out running those dbs in the NFL. Like if
he takes that pass on for you know, he was
fourth and thirteen from the forty yard line. He took
it in for a forty yard touchdown for the game winner,
which was awesome. Right, don't ever do that again. Yeah,
it's and that's the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Our buddy, Patrick Kyote made a great point with somebody.
He was debating somebody on Twitter, and he made a
great point. He's like Sean Payton's offense wasn't necessarily lacking
speed last year, it was lacking reliable hands. And they
went out and got the guy with the best catch
percentage in football. Yeah, I mean you go, and that's
the thing. Like the Sean Payton offense, Yeah, it needs
a burner on the backside. You got to have a
ze that can fly. And they got Marvin Mims or
Troy Frank or whatever for that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They got.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They got a guy that can do that. Right, And
you go back and you look at the offense, whether
that was Defree Henderson or Ted Ginn or Brandy Cooks, whatever,
they got a guy that can do that. But the
volume in that offense comes from the triangle right, comes
from the mesh, comes from the X receiver, the tight
end and the running back on the choice route right.
And so that's what you need. You need reliable hands
to keep the chains moving. And the two things that
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the Broncos did not have last year were ultra reliable hands,
partially because Davon vele Was was hurt at the crack
ribs and you know he was intended to be that guy,
and a running back that could handle the workload in
terms of making sure that you were staying ahead of
the chains on rundowns when they wanted to do that.
And I think they believe that they have solved both
those issues. Obviously you added Evan Ingram to air quotes
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the tight end room. But you know what I mean,
you've you've added R. J. Harvey and you think you
know that that Audrick Estima, You're gonna give one more
shot being that guy. You may have a veteran to
that room as well, but they think they've shorten that up.
And that's that's how this offense works. Is predicated on
spamming the ex receiver with slants uh and you know
in whip routes, uh, the tight end on the you
know kind of the sale concept or the or the
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you know, the out concept over there to get to
get some some spacing there and going up the seam
and then the running back on the angler's choice and
and that's where the money is. You know, you'll you'll
take the deep shot with the sea. So it wasn't
so complaining about a four to six forty from Pat
Bryant is really a moot point because he had the
most reliable hands and that's what they were looking for. Well,
and honestly, the people that are mostly complaining about it
is because they'd never heard of Pat Bryant before the draft.
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That's that's really to be fair. I didn't break Pat
Bryant's tape down because I didn't think that was a thing, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I I we we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I brought caught some broadcast angle stuff and I'm like,
all right, you know, you know, but yeah, being aware
of a guy, like, by the way, why don't you
do crack the tape?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That quarterback is a bum. It's brutal.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
That quarterback in Illinois, Like you know, jot All has
a cannon, right bnit's got a rifle, all right, that
guy's got a water pistol.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Dude. I hate to throw anybody under the bus, but
you may watch that someday he has. Yeah. Right. I
don't want to like say too many awful things, but
but Pat Bryant, for what it's worth, he did a lot.
He was always I mean, for a four six forty
guy was pretty open a lot, yes, And it was
just like sitting there watching the ball sail past him.
Well and again that's where you see his catch radios
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show up, right. I mean, how many times were those
balls off targets or down there at the shoelacers trying
to dig one out and pick it up and run
onto the sideline where he's having to contort his body
where he shouldn't have to do any of that. Right,
he'll have much better quarterback play at the NFL level,
which of course you'd expect. But but but anyways, back
to the point. Yeah, I mean everything he said is correct,
and I think sometimes we fall in love with names,
and so there's a little bit and I will say
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even in the daytime, there was other wide receivers. You
and I both had spent a lot of time talking
about that. I loved in that range. I absolutely loved
in that range. But I think you get to a
point where you once you see the actions, then you go, okay,
I get it. Like the same can be said about
the first round pick. There's a lot of bro Banco's
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media and some fans that are still very upset about
the Broncos selection of Jade Barn But then when you
sort of think about it in terms of what the
Broncos are probably seeing, and then you understand, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Top ten grade on the kid like he fell in
your lap at twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, and again, once you understand how they view it,
I would like to imagine people would flip their mentality
and not sort of dig in on the it was
a luxury pick or it didn't. It was a pick
you didn't need to do, which.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is stupid, like anybody telling you that should should be
locked in a closet and never allowed to talk about football. Again,
it was not a luxury pick, like that's the dumbest
thing I've heard. What I will say is from conversations
with people that are as good as you can get
on this subject. Baron wasn't you know coming into the day,
Baron was not the plan in the sense that they
didn't think he was going to be there, right.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
They had a top ten grade.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
On They thought you'd go to Miami if not Arizona.
And that was that. They did have two pre agreed
to trades move back, one with the New York Giants
to go to the second round, one with the Houston
Texans to move back just a little bit. The Texans
was continued on Abuka being there at twenty for them
to be able to come up and get him. When
Abuka went nineteen, the Texans trade went out the window.
All they had was the Giants offer and the plan
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at that point in time what they thought was going
to happen was We're going to wind up trading back.
We're gonna wind up taking Trevion Henderson, and we'll have
the Amo to come up and leap frog the Jets
for Mason Taylor.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But John A.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Barron dropped in their lat You had a guy you
had grated as a top ten pick in this class
which did not have a lot of blue chip guys,
and a.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Blue chip guy felling left. Did it wreck the plans
a little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Sure? But then they turn around and they wind up
with RJ. Harvey and Pat Bryant, And I'm not complaining
about that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So the point of that is to say that just
because there isn't name, a name value that maybe you
assigned to what you thought was going to happen, it
doesn't mean it's bad. So, for example, if the Broncos aside,
they are going to move on from Courtland Sutton back
to like the original point from last segment, and the
room as its constituted is going to have Devon Vley
and well Marvin Mims is or seen your wide receiver
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in the room right treasure field as a guy that's
been around the league for a long time, it was
Michael Bandy still on this run. I mean, it's it's
gonna panic some people, and there's gonna be people out
there going like, oh my god, this is this is
not a very good wide receiver room. But the fact
is is is let's see how a plan plays out,
like it is with these prospects, Like let's let's see
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what they ultimately have in mind for them. Now criticize
it after the fact, like if it doesn't work out,
then I'd certainly come back on the other side and say, man,
you really could have used Courtland Sudon this year. Yeah
you know, a course, you know you you you thought
you were gonna get away with not having him out
there on the field, and the offense did not look
like it was as successful. I absolutely hear for all that.
But in the meantime, I'm excited to see how they
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put this all together.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Has the at Perry dream died, as is everybody, because
I mean they were hyping them up for months?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No is it Has it died on the vine? Is
that is that one over like, is that is that
a thing? Well, I mean, now that you draft a
kill of loaner, I mean, what do you he's gonna
be in the room learning from hall of famers?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean, you know you got Laura He's signed his
deal by the way today, but so did Pat Bryant. Yeah,
but I mean, what a what an opportunity for caleble
Lower getting to learn from Hall of famers like Rob
Gronkowski and Lucas Kroll, just getting the opportunity to h.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
To sit at the feet of masters. Are you breaking
some news here? God? Believe that one of these days,
I know, like did all break? Just break that?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So don't mean listen man, I I I am very
interested in the way that they sort of constructed this
Sean Payton is now in year three, he was able
to put together a team of his guys, Like, we're
past that point now, right, We're past the point of well,
I inherited this guy and I really don't want him
on my team. I inherited a contract that I didn't
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really like. The guys that have gotten paid, especially the
last year. Oh, you're firmly in the Sean Payton roster
that was under Seawan Pree Minors, Garrett Bolls. I mean,
obviously the other two offensive linemen were part of his
first free agency class. Like the desis that have been
made up to this point now are all on him.
He didn't inherit anything. Patser Tang getting his contract extension,
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I mean, all of those things were him. So this
is this is an interesting moment here, and you had
a ten win season. You're over unders at nine and
a half, so expectations have have not been this high
since they won a Super Bowl. I'm excited to see
what Sean does with it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What is the Broncos weakness or most obvious hole and
why is it back up interior offensive line?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, well, and they brought in a lot of free
agent bodies.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
There's a ton of them because I think they recognize
Yeah that that I mean, it's it's if someone of
those guys goes down, there could be an issue like that.
That's the one that's if I'm looking at this thing,
like I understand the running back room concerns and stuff
like that, but I think Harvey's gonna be fun for me.
I look at this team and I'm like, man, that
interior offensive line is one one slip over by the
pool from from having an issue.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And when we have a.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Quarterback that's coming back from the season that he did,
the injury that he did by the way that you know,
the broken back, it fractures in his back, you got
to keep that guy clean, right, And so that that's
the thing I think that concerns me the most.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, the first thing the pop in my head
was inside linebacker. And then that's just because Dre's hurt.
Singleton's coming back off hurt. Yeah, Drew Sanders is what
and the red is back. But again it's just a surnad.
He had some nice moments, but but he's not a
full time starting inside linebacker. So that for me would
be the biggest quote unquote risk or hole. Holy Bart's
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not walking back through that door. And to say that
out loud sounds ridiculous, but it's kind of true.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Like, and I was that guy last year was like, wow,
we got diet Josie Jewel and then he came in
and played pretty well, like pretty well, Yeah, that wasn't
even like moving on a bell curve.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
That was just like he taking place. But that's the
thing is like that room is perilously thin if things
don't work out. Now again, I love the upside play.
I love drink green line. Mean, he's a freaking baller
and he's going to bring a certain mentality of this
defense when he's out there. And the same thing with Tellanohufanga.
I I love those I love those editions, absolutely love them.
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Both guys coming off injury. And if you and and
you're talking about building up the middle, which is what
Sean talked about this offseason, if both those guys do
not rise to the standard that you need them to do,
what does it look like then? Because we saw the
safety play suffer at times last year, you certainly know
what inside linebacker looked like once you lost Alex Singleton
and you were piecing that together. Hey, look they had it.
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They had a nice stretch there between Justine Sirnad and
Cody Barton. That worked out pretty well. But we got
to the end of the season that wasn't That was
not a strength of yours, No, and it was obvious
teams were picking on it. That's right, and so especially
we got to the Bengals game. My goodness, so that
for me, you're right about the interior offensive line that
that really probably doesn't need It doesn't get talked about enough.
But for me, well, I mean it isn't, but it's
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a big deal. And listen, you know, we rip on
the Cowboys all the time for a multitude of things,
but one thing they do a good job of. I'll
take into your offensive lineman. Early in the draft they
took Tyler Booker, even though we thought he was gonna
go a little later. That guy's a maller and he
is going to make them better on the interior offensive line.
Last thing before I get you out of here is
the Expectations game. You talked about that a minute ago.
You know, nine and a half wins, ten wins. We
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went to the playoffs last year. Fifteam does not make
the playoffs, or if there is a severe regression from BNIX,
what are we doing at the end of this year.
I mean, it's a failure. There's no doubt about it.
If you don't make the playoffs, it can't be seen
any other way. I mean, certainly context matters if you
don't make the playoffs, because maybe you lose out towards
the tail end of something, you know, I mean, who knows.
I mean, there's a lot of reasons why. It always
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depends because if you start fast but you fail late,
or if you start slow but then you come on strong,
you just come up short like the Bengals did. Those
are all different context conversations. But yeah, if Bonix has
a bit of a step back, I think that we're
we're gonna say, Okay, you got to see what happens
in year three or else maybe you are looking at
the quarterback and that's extreme. I don't think it's going
to happen. I think more likely he plays at at
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least the level he did last year. And if he
plays at least the level they did last year and
the defense remains relatively good, then I think they're going
to be in every single game all year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I think that's definitely a possibility. I mean that they
are a team that is primed to match what they
did last year. There's a few, you know, they got
a few, they're a few lucky, you know whatever, but
then a few unluckies as well. Look at the Chiefs
can the first one, so you know, it'd be it'd
be fascinating to see how how this thing plays out
for them. Overall.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Appreciate you coming in and chopping it up with us man, anytime.
You know, we're asking me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I know you're getting that big time afternoon drive money now,
but remembering the little guy, it's just really it's just
striketh the fear.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I just am grateful you finally asked me rather than
making me invite.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Myself right, just reaching out and being proactive in those
kinds of things instead of you know, hey, bro, what
do you know? Which you know everybody listened, right, I
was like, what are these idiots talking about? But no,
and I always appreciate getting a chance to chop it
up with you a little bit man, And you know, these, uh,
these opportunities and these conversations don't.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Come often enough, so I'm glad we got to do
it anytime. Brolin.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
All right, you guys been listening to Broncos Country tonight
again short show edition post Rockies. Uh, we have a
full show for you guys tomorrow Thursday night, myself Dick Ferguson.
We'll be back to do all things and recap the nuggets,
you know, so that'll be that'll be a lot of
fun looking forward to that. Appreciate you guys tuning in
for this and we will catch you tomorrow right here
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Short show post Rockies edition Benjamin all right here with you,
joined by the OG Triple OG Ryan Jamiroquai Edwards.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on, buddy? Not much, man, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm doing good, doing good.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Uh, we don't.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We don't get to have these these pairings as often
as as of course we like, but this presented a
perfect opportunity to do.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So. You know, we're just down at the stadium.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
A little little cool little preview thing and some sales
stuff going on. But nice to see Demanti Leitch and
hear him talk a little bit about the forthcoming schedule
release coming up here and.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
What is it about the week?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
About a week? Yeah, find out perhaps if the Broncos
get that international game in Germany, although it's looking like
the Falcons are gonna swipe that, we'll see and uh yeah,
what did what did we coming away from that? What
did you most? What did you most come out of that?
I'm just messing with you, man. I was like, I
don't know if we're supposed to really like talk about
that at all?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No, not so much. It's like fight club. It wasn't
fight club, but we.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Don't talk about business club.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I I was just messing with the other scheduled thing.
I because, like every we know what the opponents are.
You know what the opponents are. You really just don't
know the order. But as you look at this schedule,
I mean, we've got some tougher games this year. I
know that the over underwent up obviously five and a
half last year or nine and a half this year,
But there are tougher games on the schedule issue. You
get the NFC East, and I mean outside of New York,
that's a tough division. The Cowboys got a little bit
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tougher ostensibly over the course of the last twenty four hours,
adding George Pickens opposite Ceede Lamb. What do you think
of that move?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You're all over the place, which is a typical Ben
all Bryce is how we did Broncos. The word sounids like,
I think you tossed at me about seven topics in the.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
First thirty second. You're gonna bite on one of them.
If you go fishing, you throw seven lures in there,
you see what comes up.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, Pikets is interesting, right, Not certainly a guy
that I would have wanted here in Denver. I know
that oftentimes is the case when a player is traded,
you look at the trade value, and you look at
what the Cowboys gave up, which is the third round
of this next year, and I think a Day three
swap in twenty twenty seven, and you think to yourself, oh, okay, well,
cause the Broncos have been in on that. I I
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don't think that that would be wise choice, partly because
of his personality, which again we need to keep saying this.
Mike Tomlin is like the Phil Jackson master motivator, being
able to keep these personalities. I mean, see what Antonio
Brown has done post Pittsburgh Steelers. Go beyond that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
When was the last time Pittsburgh willingly let go of
a wide receiver that had any sustained success afterwards? It's
Emmanuel Sanders, That's the example. That's the example, right, and
so Skill Burist maybe a little bit, but Chase Claypool
and Brown, you know, we on on and on with all.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
These, but just the personalities is the fact that he
continues to they win games and he has these kinds
of personalities that I mean, you can see a playout
on the field with Antonio Brown was an example, obviously,
but even with with George Pickens, I again, I thought
about that this morning, and I'm like, I don't know
what they think they're getting out there in Dallas. I
think they're certain getting a talented wide receiver. But mercurial
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is being kind uh in this case when it comes
to George Pickens. But I I coming back to the
original point for the it just didn't make a lot
of sense. It wouldn't have made a lot of sense here.
I actually think as we take a look at this,
because Gabe Davis is the other piece of information from
this morning, the Broncos wide receiver room isn't kind of
sets in a lot of ways. I mean, most years
we come into this thing saying, well, you know, you
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get past the first four, maybe first five, they got six, Like,
they got six wide receivers, They're gonna make this roster.
And then they're like, no, denying that unless Trent Sherfield
somehow is not going to be in the equation of that,
which I think he is. Obviously, that's six wide receivers
before you get into guys that are competing for the room.
I don't think you really need to be talking about
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other wide receivers to be brought in. And again it
had to appreciably be better than what you think you
have in the room. And I think the Broncos are
really pretty excited about what they got.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What would you think if and it's been suggested before
that Pittsburgh would be interested in Courtland Sutton if the
Broncos decided that they're still too far apart on any
potential deal with Courtland Sutton, which they are still a part,
you know what what happens if you move on from
Courtland side, you trade him, let's say, to Pittsburgh or whatever.
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Then does that change your mind about you know, a
potential ad or I'm of the opinion you go, you roll.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
With what you got. It could, but once again, we've
talked about it quite a bit with Evan Ingram, Like
what you have with Evan Ingram is who.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Is basically a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He listed a tight end, but yeah, he's basically a
wide receiver and that's what he's gonna be out there running.
He's gonna be running wide receiver routes. So I it
could change it a little bit, I guess, But I
just feel as though that the opportunity to move him
really was probably around the draft. I mean this point,
you're gonna roll with him this year if you decide,
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And Whi's another weird part of that whole George Pickens things.
Just for a second, he's playing the last year in
his deeal. You traded those assets and you're not even
assigned to extension. He's gonna hit free agency. He gave
him a third rounder for a rental on a team
that could be good, could be bad. I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
This sort of tells us a little bit about Dallas'
offseason plans next year because the compensive formula, Yes, so
that sort of tells us a little bit about that
that they expect to lose a bunch of guys in
an effort to get compensatory formula picks back and kind
of game the system that way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But even then, like, you're right, you're right. I mean,
certainly you could get up to a third but that's
assuming Pickens gets that kind of return.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And well, if he balls out this year, then goes
somewhere else, I mean, where he could still sign in
Dallas the year.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Once again, that's an assumption, right, I mean, he may
not even be the biggest wide receiver name out on
the market at that time. I mean he could be.
He certainly got the talent, but we again, we know
what about his personality. There's a reason why at this
point the Steelers have been shopping him now for however
many months. It's not because of his talents. It's certainly
not because of his talent. And they made the trade
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for DK Metcalf knowing that they'd be moving on from
George Pickens. But yeah, back to Corland Sutn here for
a second. It just feels like your opportunities to move him,
or if not move him, substantially invest in the room
in a way that tells us you're planning on move him,
were passed that you added Pat Bryan in the draft. Yea,
added Evan ingram y Ad Trent Sherfield. Those are your receivers.
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None of that screams to me, we're ready to move
on from Courtland Sutton or we believe our room is
already said. Now to that point, you and Dave have
continued to push the Devon Vley. I guess propaganda would
be the best way I can describe it. You and
Dave both continue to come at me and say they
think so highly of this guy that he could be
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a one for them. Then that becomes a bit of
a different conversation if that's the direction you decide to go.
Like I said, there's just nothing they've done so far
this offseason that tells me that Courtland Sutton isn't part
of the plan.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well yeah, I mean aside from signing him to extension, right,
which sort of brings me to the next point here
that there are three guys, three main guys. They're multiple guys,
but three main guys that need what are probably going
to be big money deals going forward, Courtland Sutton, Zach
Allen and Nick Benito and based you just just looking
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at this thing, it feels like there's an odd man
out here, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, maybe the.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Broncos signed Courtless Sutton to a long term extension, but
advance is here, Zach Allen's going to be here, and
you know, Nick Benito I think has given them enough
reason that they need to pay him. At this point,
he's developed into I think what they'd envisioned there are.
You know, there's some a few limitations. You know, he's
still with the run game, he's still a little he
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gets pushed right a little bit sometimes. But there there
are three guys that need big one. He deals and
it looks like two guys that are probably getting them.
So at that point, which one of those three are
you sacrificing?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah? I saw this being debated on Twitter earlier today,
and that's so tough. I would say that it's probably
Court if everything's being what it is, and it's not
to say I want it to be Court because I
think that he has been underrated as far as his
contributions to this team. Underrated certainly. You think of the
last two years for the Broncos. He got ten touchdowns
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with Russ he was by far wide receiver one for
this team. Last year with bon Nicks, Bonix looked his
way a lot. It's good to see Bonick spreading the
ball around, which makes you think that there's other ways
to supplement that. And they did improve their running back
and tight end room for a reason. But I can't
say goodbye to an ascending edge rusher. I know there's
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discussion about Nick Bonito and what maybe maybe he can't
repeat the thirteen and a half sack last year season
that he had. I think he actually can. I think
he has the talent to be able to do that.
You just you in the NFL. You did not. You
did not move on from ascending edge rushers unless they're
asking for money that you just simply can't afford. And
I don't think that's the case. They didn't draft, you know,
drafting Q Robinson or drafting Savian Jones. Isn't wasn't some
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kind of signal to me that, hey, I think we're
we're getting ready to blow this room up.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Now one of those guys, a special teams guy and
the others of John Franklin Myers replace.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's right, yeah, And given even giving Jonathan Cooper the
contract you did last year, was it was a bit
of a placeholder conversation more so than a Nick Bonito replacement, right,
I mean, would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh? Yeah, I think if anything, Ellis would have been
the guy that would have you know, like you're looking
at it as far as that goes, And I believe
that they believe they've got big plans for him. This
year is kind of a you know, a third man
in that rotation. Coop and Benito will be on the outside,
but I also rotate through similar to the way when
you had Vaughn and DeMarcus Ware the Shaq Barrett, you
know was rotating through behind them, and so I think
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that that's sort of their plan when they get this.
If they get other bodies involved and they happen to
be productive, so be it. But I think that's that's
loosely their plan as far as it goes. That's their
three head of jabberwocky. When it comes to, you know,
the pass.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Rush, you want to have a lot of bodies, and
that's just the way they're approaching it. That's what the
way they had the success they had last year was
was having a lot of guys that they could rotate in. Certainly,
you know that there's a speed element that they really
tend to like there on the outside, and they like
to be heftier inside, especially against the run. So the
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way that they're they're designing this and building this is
an archetype. And so that's why Nick Bedinto is so
so valuable. Now if for some reason Kee Robinson, who
I think is the closest to as far as body type,
if he suddenly does something. But I think he's more
of a special teams guy that you're going to develop
long term versus say Jonah Ellis. When you brought him in,
you knew he was going to have a year one role.
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May not be a full time role, it's gonna be
year one role. I think Q is more of a hey,
we think these guys have special teams and we'll just
develop some of this stuff. Because he had what five
starts in total at Alahata.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, I mean he's a special teams guy. And if
he happens to give you some productivity and you know
on defense, so be it. I think when when you
look at this and when you look at when you're
drafting anybody, your first round draft picks or guys you
expect to contribute your one, your your second and third
round guys, which is day two draft pics. You expect
those guys to contribute year one and then work, you know,
be a starter year two hopefully, and then everybody else's
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a dart throw. And so I think that's where you're
at with that with Ellis. You know, they had the rotation, uh,
and you got a little bit of rotational work last year,
but they expect him, I think, to contribute a little
bit more this year. And I think they looked at
that Super Bowl against the Chiefs and they saw what
Philadelphia was doing, which was sending Front seven guys in waves.
Your secondary basically had you know, your starters, and that
was that. But that Front seven they were sending those
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guys in waves against Kansas City and it was effective, right,
it stayed effective, and I think they want to kind
of sort of pick up on that philosophy. They want
to just it's not Benito and Cooper are starting and
they have, you know, a ton of sacks because they're
the guys they're starting. They want to be able to
send the pass rush in waves. They want to bring
in Tillman, they want to bring in Ellis. They want
those guys to be able to do They want to
back up excuse me, defensive lineman, the guys like a
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roach and and now Jones and those guys to be
able to be part of that rush that they continue
to send through. And they don't want to drop off
when they do that. So you know, as you look
at this, you know Zach Allen was a key cog
in what made that Front seven go h and has been.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And he was a key cog in part because of
the JFM edition part.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean he was, but I mean before John Frankly
Myers got here, he was still there before he was still.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was good, but he wasn't. He wasn't what he was.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Were able to double and sometimes triple him and keep him,
you know, in check. You aren't able to do that
with John Franklin Myers out there. But I think Zach
Allen has proven enough worth that you pay him. I
think Nick Benito is like, this is a homegrown dude
in a pass rush. You don't just move on from
good edge rushers. You know, you pay them. And Sean
Payton has certainly not been a guy let or edge
rushers walk. So that that which brings us back to
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the crux of this conversation. Are you willing to pay
Courtland Sutton twenty six million plus dollars per year, which
is what it's going to cost to get him?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You're not?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean that people are like, oh, maybe he'll take
twenty three. I'm like, bro, the number that the minimum
is twenty six and he wants more, So, you know,
are you willing to pay that? What is the drop
off to Pat Bryant de von Valet, which I I
don't believe the drop off to Vlea is as large
as people think it is, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, and that's the problem with Vala is we just
don't have enough of the sample size. You know, it's
not to say that he won't be there. And I
said the same thing to Dave, like, it's not to
say that he won't get there, it's just I don't know. Yeah,
and maybe i'll know after this year and I'll say, hey,
I already know now that he can be that guy
after his second season in the league.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But that's what separates us from the coaches, right dorks
and the microphone. We don't get the we're trying. They know,
they know in practice what they're doing, and they have
to have the four site to predict this is going
to happen. We got a big kiss work move while
we're sitting there, like, well, with the benefit of hindsight,
now we know he can do this, you know that
kind of thing. But yeah, I mean that's a gamble,
that's a that's a jobs on the line kind of gamble.
Cortland Sudden is sort of ingrained in Broncos Country's DNA,
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and he spent his whole career here. He was a
homegrown product. He was the spiritual successor to Damarius Thomas,
and so I think there is a sentimentality with fans
that comes with that. But pragmatically, I can't justify spending
twenty plus million on a receiver in this offense, Like
and if you understand how a Sean Payton offense works,
I can't justify spending twenty plus million on a receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, even though he did obviously with Michael Thomas and
with Marcus Colston. Both those guys got paid.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And Colston kept it up, but they I mean when
he got to the point where it wasn't viable anymore,
he was gone. Thomas got hurt, he wasn't viable anymore.
They kind of got stuck with that contract because the
void they started using all his void years. And that's
where you get in trouble with that stuff. Like everybody say, oh,
this is a freeway to bypass the cap. It's not
like you will if somebody gets hurt or something. You're
really sunk on that, especially if it's a high dollar player.
But I mean they've showed a propensity Sean Payton shon
up prophancy move on from receivers if they're not performing
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at the level. And that's just the ex receiver that
will pay the Z receivers. He just punchs through them.
I mean guys like Kenny Steels or Brandon Cooks or
whatever that went other places, Devrai Henderson, Ted Keen, etceterat cetera.
They just moved on from they used them. They used them,
and then they were like, all right, well we'll bring
the next guy up and not pay him. This makes
you wonder what for Marvin Mims, Marvin Ms or or
you know, if Troy Franklin ever grows into that role,
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if he if he does, and I'm not holding my
breath on that, but that's it. Maybe, But yeah, that
that's the construction of a Sean Payton helmed offense. Is
the money's in the offensive line and the quarterback, maybe
a receiver, uh maybe a running back on a mid
tier and then probably a tight end. You know, if
they get to that point, which the Broncos I think
is still you know, they paid him at Ingram, but
you know they're they're already at the Sean Payton construction
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on this offense, at least in terms of spreading the
dollars around.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, the way we sit right now, again back to
your original premise, if it's a choice being those three
players that think you're going with Benito and Allen and
then and then to say with Corland sudden, hey we
play on this year, or we can move you if
that feels better. We'd like to to see what happens,
you know, we'd like to go through this. But the
thing about it is, and we've talked about this for years,
you and I as we've been on the trail of
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the pre draft process. S wide receivers every year, man,
I mean every single year. And there are archetypes out
there for X receivers that got one in the third
round of Pat Bryant that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They will by the way, they will draft a receiver
every night.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Ao Maynor was out there like like there was guys
in the third round that they could also have looked
at and grabbed there as they continue to stock that room.
So I guess that's that's the way I look at
it is just based on the justification of what you
are and what you seem to be building. You're going
to continue to invest in the defense and to understand
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that that's how you really help your quarterback. I want
to get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You gotta stick graph more more sent in here, I
want to get into a little bit more because I
the idea. I like that idea, but I'm gonna play
the devil's advocate here about how it could be a
mistake sitting there and buying into and being continually a
defensive identity football team with the way that a that
Sean Payton coach and constructs a roster, and then b
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the economics of the NFL now, Because as much as
I love a great defensive football team and I think
it's a great idea to do, and especially with a
quarterback on a rookie deal at having having that batstop
and being able to do it, there are drop offs.
There are ways that can go awry for you rather quickly,
and I kind of want to get into that that whole,
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that whole philosophy or premise with you here. In just
a second, you guys, listen to Broncos Country Tonight, a
little bit of a short show edition post Rockies edition.
We come back Ryan Edwards and I we're gonna debate stuff.
I'm gonn tell him how he's wrong on everything. This
is a Broncos Country here on ka Wa. Welcome back
to it. Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Olbrien here with you,
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joined by the Og, the Triple Og, Ryan Jamia Quay Edwards.
I'm gonna sell that like like we did that for Steve,
but we're gonna do that for you year now. Jamerica
way better with Steve, way better with Steve.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And I don't think people understand.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Did you see that Jameric Way shirt he was wearing yesterday?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I did, Yes, it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was everything I could do, and I could and
I love Steve. It was everything I could do not
to make fun of that shirt.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I wanted to ask him if he brought some mayahuasca
tea with him or something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It like see this southwestern patterned uh and if you
know Steve, Steve's always wearing like a button down or
like broncos and this was like such a radical departure.
It was like this southwestern feet in like this buffalo
skull on it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm like, did you get that at a gas station?
Like what what are you wearing right here? And had
the peel in it and all this something. It was
like I was like, you know, what, did you just
stop off at BUCkies and get don and grab you know,
in West Texas somewhere and get there with you on
your way from this, I'll tell you I grew up
in New Mexico, somewhere in between Dallas and and you know,
El Paso. And this dude stopped off at a BUCkies
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in Odessa.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I've I grew up in New Mexico. That shirt is
that you nailed it. There's five variations.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's got the it's got the bone, the bleached bone
of the cattle head on it, or it's got like
the wolf, or it's got like the eagle with the
flag behind it, you know, like it's one of those
three variations.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It was tremendous. Yeah, when I saw that, there was
just like, I don't want to give you a hard time.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I let it go because like I picked out him
a little bit for this other shirt that he wore
like a few weeks back, and so I didn't, you know,
but yeah, I was like, I thought, you, where did
you get that shirt? And how can I avoid that place?
He is the greatest, he is, He's the absolute best.
Right Everward's joining us. We're talking a little bit before
the break about you know, the economics of building a
roster or whatever, and how we've got guys that are
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doue up for big money contracts Nick Benito, Zach Allen,
Courtland Sutton what we do in that situation, and I
think we both are an agreement that you invest in
the excuse me, in the defense there, you invest in
the defense. But on the flip side of that, in
the modern NFL, is it a mistake to have a
high dollar defense when on defense it only takes one
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thing to go wrong, You get injured, you get one
guy injured, it and you're you know, on offense, it
takes one thing going right right. On defense, it takes
one thing going wrong. And if you are heavily leveraged
on the defensive side of the ball and you get
an injury, especially if you don't have depth at whatever
position that is, you're in a world of hurt and
you know you've left a gaping hole that everybody's going
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to expose. You go back to last year and once
both corners sort of got hurt late in the season,
you saw people go after Riley Moss a little more
because they saw he was hurt and they he wasn't
quite the same. I mean, they were going after Jaquan
or Riley then went after Pat Certan a little bit,
but he kind of got back to being Pat Sartan
pretty quick. Is it a mistake for the Broncos to
put that much money in the defense or do they
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have the window solely because Bonix is on the rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think it's your window. And I think it goes
back to things that Sean Payton said, which includes taking
your quarterback off the high dive means having a good defense,
means having a good run game, means having a good
offensive line. Didn't say anything about having a great wide
receiver room, and he said, in fact, the opposite when
it comes to the wide receiver room, over and over again.
Happy with this room. And at some point you have
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to stop just interpreting the words and watch the actions.
The actions of the Broncos are telling you exactly what
they think of their wide receiver room. Adding Pat Bryant,
some people will say that's a little bit of a
Courtland Sutton insurance. Okay, fine, whatever. I don't even know
if that has to be the case. I think it's
just more of the archetype of the offense. I think
it's just like a big X and I think it's
a little Jordan Humphrey insurance more than necessarily. Yeah, I
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mean absolutely. I mean you're just thinking about a guy
that does all the dirty work. He likes to block,
he's got a great catch radius, and you know, the
forty time looks better on film at least than it
does what he did at the combine. And by the way,
very quickly on that, I thought it was interesting in
Nick Cosmider's article his rite up, but he did, and
we talked about it on KA Sports that he said
he had the option to run a new forty time
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into Pro Day. And you and I both know forty
time a Pro Day usually is a little more kind.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Rah the thirty five yard dash.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It's a little kider.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It's weird how that you know the yard lines on
the left side of the field on the right side
of the indoor track don't match up exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And when you run the second worst forty time of
any wide receiver, you would think it's a it's a guarantee,
it's a mortal lock that this guy is going to
do that as Illinois Pro Day, because why the heck
would you not? You could only improve your number, right,
I mean theoretically right, it could be worse, but I
maybe I guess I could have gotten worse. But let's
just be honest. Most have a prodage it's it's positive.
R it ends up being a positive. His mindset was,
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I don't care. He's like, you watch me play. You
know that that I am not a four to six
to one forty time guy. He ran away. I mean
not that fourth and thirteen that he did the game winner.
You're not running away from the entire field of dbs,
even if it is Rutgers, if you have a four
to six to one forty times he I mean again,
and that, by the way, amazing play. Also, don't ever
do that again, especially at the pro level, because you
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aren't out running those dbs in the NFL. Like if
he takes that pass on for you know, he was
fourth and thirteen from the forty yard line. He took
it in for a forty yard touchdown for the game winner,
which was awesome. Right, don't ever do that again. Yeah,
it's and that's the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Our buddy, Patrick Kyote made a great point with somebody.
He was debating somebody on Twitter, and he made a
great point. He's like Sean Payton's offense wasn't necessarily lacking
speed last year, it was lacking reliable hands. And they
went out and got the guy with the best catch
percentage in football. Yeah, I mean you go, and that's
the thing. Like the Sean Payton offense, Yeah, it needs
a burner on the backside. You got to have a
ze that can fly. And they got Marvin Mims or
Troy Frank or whatever for that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They got.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They got a guy that can do that. Right, And
you go back and you look at the offense, whether
that was Defree Henderson or Ted Ginn or Brandy Cooks, whatever,
they got a guy that can do that. But the
volume in that offense comes from the triangle right, comes
from the mesh, comes from the X receiver, the tight
end and the running back on the choice route right.
And so that's what you need. You need reliable hands
to keep the chains moving. And the two things that
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the Broncos did not have last year were ultra reliable hands,
partially because Davon vele Was was hurt at the crack
ribs and you know he was intended to be that guy,
and a running back that could handle the workload in
terms of making sure that you were staying ahead of
the chains on rundowns when they wanted to do that.
And I think they believe that they have solved both
those issues. Obviously you added Evan Ingram to air quotes
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the tight end room. But you know what I mean,
you've you've added R. J. Harvey and you think you
know that that Audrick Estima, You're gonna give one more
shot being that guy. You may have a veteran to
that room as well, but they think they've shorten that up.
And that's that's how this offense works. Is predicated on
spamming the ex receiver with slants uh and you know
in whip routes, uh, the tight end on the you
know kind of the sale concept or the or the
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you know, the out concept over there to get to
get some some spacing there and going up the seam
and then the running back on the angler's choice and
and that's where the money is. You know, you'll you'll
take the deep shot with the sea. So it wasn't
so complaining about a four to six forty from Pat
Bryant is really a moot point because he had the
most reliable hands and that's what they were looking for. Well,
and honestly, the people that are mostly complaining about it
is because they'd never heard of Pat Bryant before the draft.
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That's that's really to be fair. I didn't break Pat
Bryant's tape down because I didn't think that was a thing, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I I we we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I brought caught some broadcast angle stuff and I'm like,
all right, you know, you know, but yeah, being aware
of a guy, like, by the way, why don't you
do crack the tape?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That quarterback is a bum. It's brutal.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
That quarterback in Illinois, Like you know, jot All has
a cannon, right bnit's got a rifle, all right, that
guy's got a water pistol.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Dude. I hate to throw anybody under the bus, but
you may watch that someday he has. Yeah. Right. I
don't want to like say too many awful things, but
but Pat Bryant, for what it's worth, he did a lot.
He was always I mean, for a four six forty
guy was pretty open a lot, yes, And it was
just like sitting there watching the ball sail past him.
Well and again that's where you see his catch radios
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show up, right. I mean, how many times were those
balls off targets or down there at the shoelacers trying
to dig one out and pick it up and run
onto the sideline where he's having to contort his body
where he shouldn't have to do any of that. Right,
he'll have much better quarterback play at the NFL level,
which of course you'd expect. But but but anyways, back
to the point. Yeah, I mean everything he said is correct,
and I think sometimes we fall in love with names,
and so there's a little bit and I will say
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even in the daytime, there was other wide receivers. You
and I both had spent a lot of time talking
about that. I loved in that range. I absolutely loved
in that range. But I think you get to a
point where you once you see the actions, then you go, okay,
I get it. Like the same can be said about
the first round pick. There's a lot of bro Banco's
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media and some fans that are still very upset about
the Broncos selection of Jade Barn But then when you
sort of think about it in terms of what the
Broncos are probably seeing, and then you understand, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Top ten grade on the kid like he fell in
your lap at twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, and again, once you understand how they view it,
I would like to imagine people would flip their mentality
and not sort of dig in on the it was
a luxury pick or it didn't. It was a pick
you didn't need to do, which.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is stupid, like anybody telling you that should should be
locked in a closet and never allowed to talk about football. Again,
it was not a luxury pick, like that's the dumbest
thing I've heard. What I will say is from conversations
with people that are as good as you can get
on this subject. Baron wasn't you know coming into the day,
Baron was not the plan in the sense that they
didn't think he was going to be there, right.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
They had a top ten grade.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
On They thought you'd go to Miami if not Arizona.
And that was that. They did have two pre agreed
to trades move back, one with the New York Giants
to go to the second round, one with the Houston
Texans to move back just a little bit. The Texans
was continued on Abuka being there at twenty for them
to be able to come up and get him. When
Abuka went nineteen, the Texans trade went out the window.
All they had was the Giants offer and the plan
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at that point in time what they thought was going
to happen was We're going to wind up trading back.
We're gonna wind up taking Trevion Henderson, and we'll have
the Amo to come up and leap frog the Jets
for Mason Taylor.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But John A.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Barron dropped in their lat You had a guy you
had grated as a top ten pick in this class
which did not have a lot of blue chip guys,
and a.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Blue chip guy felling left. Did it wreck the plans
a little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Sure? But then they turn around and they wind up
with RJ. Harvey and Pat Bryant, And I'm not complaining
about that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So the point of that is to say that just
because there isn't name, a name value that maybe you
assigned to what you thought was going to happen, it
doesn't mean it's bad. So, for example, if the Broncos aside,
they are going to move on from Courtland Sutton back
to like the original point from last segment, and the
room as its constituted is going to have Devon Vley
and well Marvin Mims is or seen your wide receiver
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in the room right treasure field as a guy that's
been around the league for a long time, it was
Michael Bandy still on this run. I mean, it's it's
gonna panic some people, and there's gonna be people out
there going like, oh my god, this is this is
not a very good wide receiver room. But the fact
is is is let's see how a plan plays out,
like it is with these prospects, Like let's let's see
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what they ultimately have in mind for them. Now criticize
it after the fact, like if it doesn't work out,
then I'd certainly come back on the other side and say, man,
you really could have used Courtland Sudon this year. Yeah
you know, a course, you know you you you thought
you were gonna get away with not having him out
there on the field, and the offense did not look
like it was as successful. I absolutely hear for all that.
But in the meantime, I'm excited to see how they
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put this all together.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Has the at Perry dream died, as is everybody, because
I mean they were hyping them up for months?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No is it Has it died on the vine? Is
that is that one over like, is that is that
a thing? Well, I mean, now that you draft a
kill of loaner, I mean, what do you he's gonna
be in the room learning from hall of famers?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean, you know you got Laura He's signed his
deal by the way today, but so did Pat Bryant. Yeah,
but I mean, what a what an opportunity for caleble
Lower getting to learn from Hall of famers like Rob
Gronkowski and Lucas Kroll, just getting the opportunity to h.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
To sit at the feet of masters. Are you breaking
some news here? God? Believe that one of these days,
I know, like did all break? Just break that?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So don't mean listen man, I I I am very
interested in the way that they sort of constructed this
Sean Payton is now in year three, he was able
to put together a team of his guys, Like, we're
past that point now, right, We're past the point of well,
I inherited this guy and I really don't want him
on my team. I inherited a contract that I didn't
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really like. The guys that have gotten paid, especially the
last year. Oh, you're firmly in the Sean Payton roster
that was under Seawan Pree Minors, Garrett Bolls. I mean,
obviously the other two offensive linemen were part of his
first free agency class. Like the desis that have been
made up to this point now are all on him.
He didn't inherit anything. Patser Tang getting his contract extension,
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I mean, all of those things were him. So this
is this is an interesting moment here, and you had
a ten win season. You're over unders at nine and
a half, so expectations have have not been this high
since they won a Super Bowl. I'm excited to see
what Sean does with it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What is the Broncos weakness or most obvious hole and
why is it back up interior offensive line?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, well, and they brought in a lot of free
agent bodies.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
There's a ton of them because I think they recognize
Yeah that that I mean, it's it's if someone of
those guys goes down, there could be an issue like that.
That's the one that's if I'm looking at this thing,
like I understand the running back room concerns and stuff
like that, but I think Harvey's gonna be fun for me.
I look at this team and I'm like, man, that
interior offensive line is one one slip over by the
pool from from having an issue.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And when we have a.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Quarterback that's coming back from the season that he did,
the injury that he did by the way that you know,
the broken back, it fractures in his back, you got
to keep that guy clean, right, And so that that's
the thing I think that concerns me the most.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, the first thing the pop in my head
was inside linebacker. And then that's just because Dre's hurt.
Singleton's coming back off hurt. Yeah, Drew Sanders is what
and the red is back. But again it's just a surnad.
He had some nice moments, but but he's not a
full time starting inside linebacker. So that for me would
be the biggest quote unquote risk or hole. Holy Bart's
(30:31):
not walking back through that door. And to say that
out loud sounds ridiculous, but it's kind of true.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Like, and I was that guy last year was like, wow,
we got diet Josie Jewel and then he came in
and played pretty well, like pretty well, Yeah, that wasn't
even like moving on a bell curve.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
That was just like he taking place. But that's the
thing is like that room is perilously thin if things
don't work out. Now again, I love the upside play.
I love drink green line. Mean, he's a freaking baller
and he's going to bring a certain mentality of this
defense when he's out there. And the same thing with Tellanohufanga.
I I love those I love those editions, absolutely love them.
(31:05):
Both guys coming off injury. And if you and and
you're talking about building up the middle, which is what
Sean talked about this offseason, if both those guys do
not rise to the standard that you need them to do,
what does it look like then? Because we saw the
safety play suffer at times last year, you certainly know
what inside linebacker looked like once you lost Alex Singleton
and you were piecing that together. Hey, look they had it.
(31:27):
They had a nice stretch there between Justine Sirnad and
Cody Barton. That worked out pretty well. But we got
to the end of the season that wasn't That was
not a strength of yours, No, and it was obvious
teams were picking on it. That's right, and so especially
we got to the Bengals game. My goodness, so that
for me, you're right about the interior offensive line that
that really probably doesn't need It doesn't get talked about enough.
But for me, well, I mean it isn't, but it's
(31:50):
a big deal. And listen, you know, we rip on
the Cowboys all the time for a multitude of things,
but one thing they do a good job of. I'll
take into your offensive lineman. Early in the draft they
took Tyler Booker, even though we thought he was gonna
go a little later. That guy's a maller and he
is going to make them better on the interior offensive line.
Last thing before I get you out of here is
the Expectations game. You talked about that a minute ago.
You know, nine and a half wins, ten wins. We
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went to the playoffs last year. Fifteam does not make
the playoffs, or if there is a severe regression from BNIX,
what are we doing at the end of this year.
I mean, it's a failure. There's no doubt about it.
If you don't make the playoffs, it can't be seen
any other way. I mean, certainly context matters if you
don't make the playoffs, because maybe you lose out towards
the tail end of something, you know, I mean, who knows.
I mean, there's a lot of reasons why. It always
(32:32):
depends because if you start fast but you fail late,
or if you start slow but then you come on strong,
you just come up short like the Bengals did. Those
are all different context conversations. But yeah, if Bonix has
a bit of a step back, I think that we're
we're gonna say, Okay, you got to see what happens
in year three or else maybe you are looking at
the quarterback and that's extreme. I don't think it's going
to happen. I think more likely he plays at at
(32:54):
least the level he did last year. And if he
plays at least the level they did last year and
the defense remains relatively good, then I think they're going
to be in every single game all year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I think that's definitely a possibility. I mean that they
are a team that is primed to match what they
did last year. There's a few, you know, they got
a few, they're a few lucky, you know whatever, but
then a few unluckies as well. Look at the Chiefs
can the first one, so you know, it'd be it'd
be fascinating to see how how this thing plays out
for them. Overall.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Appreciate you coming in and chopping it up with us man, anytime.
You know, we're asking me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I know you're getting that big time afternoon drive money now,
but remembering the little guy, it's just really it's just
striketh the fear.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I just am grateful you finally asked me rather than
making me invite.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Myself right, just reaching out and being proactive in those
kinds of things instead of you know, hey, bro, what
do you know? Which you know everybody listened, right, I
was like, what are these idiots talking about? But no,
and I always appreciate getting a chance to chop it
up with you a little bit man, And you know, these, uh,
these opportunities and these conversations don't.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Come often enough, so I'm glad we got to do
it anytime. Brolin.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
All right, you guys been listening to Broncos Country tonight
again short show edition post Rockies. Uh, we have a
full show for you guys tomorrow Thursday night, myself Dick Ferguson.
We'll be back to do all things and recap the nuggets,
you know, so that'll be that'll be a lot of
fun looking forward to that. Appreciate you guys tuning in
for this and we will catch you tomorrow right here
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