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Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight,Benjamin Olbright joined by the Og, the
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Triple Og, The John Oates tomy Daryl Hall Ryan Edwards, it's good
to see you man. You needyou to just do the mustache and the
mullet. Yeah, you know,I don't think my wife would appreciate that
very much, but I appreciate thesuggestion. I especially don't think she'll like
it very much. If I sayyou suggested it, well, you don't
have to say I suggested that.You just you know, you're really going
for that Morgan Walden looks right,that's where my brother, my brother actually
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did that. He cut his hair. Yeah, it's awful. Look again,
absolutely as horrible as you would imagine. Yeah, it's again it's just
not you know, no no offenseto the Morgan Wallen look. And certainly
it's a horrible look. I say, you can throw chairs off the top
of a building. Yeah, that'sthe thing. That's the thing. You
almost have to right legally obligated tobuy a transam. Yeah. Yeah,
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but no. I had this wholedebate with Nick recently out of OTA's actually
last week, and we were talkingabout because he shaved off the beard,
and I said, well, thenmy wife would never allow that, would
not allow it. And he's like, well, you're you're a man,
and I'm like, you don't understand. And as a married man, I
think you would understand what she says. I like the beard. It stays,
The beard stays, beard plays forlife, for life. And actually,
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my wife, my, my wife'sfunny. She calls it a push
up raw from its faces, andhonestly that that's aut right. There's so
many men and you know, againI'm trying to lose a little boy,
but there's so many men that uh, you know, they don't really have
a defined jaw line. So thebeard helps define an actual jaw line that
doesn't. It makes it, youknow, And it helps helps me cover
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up this little turkey gobbler thing Igot going on below my worst grant with
them, Yeah, my on mychin here something. It's you know,
I'm trying to try to do somethingwith it. We'll figure it out.
I haven't. I'm in between linksright now. So I just like I
have the mange. You well,what you look like as you roll in
here with sweats and your customary blackT shirt and the same Jenkins elite hat
perf wearing well, no, that'snot the word. They jobs of radio,
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and then I wear the same Ijust like I'm trying to think how
many hours did you actually spend intoday before you rolled in here to do
well? At the time we're recordingthis, I carry the one divide by
Pie after I woke up an additionalfive hours. Okay, there you go.
Ye. And honestly, if you'reliving the dream, you're surprised that
I woke up that early. Ican tell by the look on your face.
So well, well, I alreadyI know when you wake up because
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I still have you notification, notification, Ben's alive, Okay, yeah,
well, I mean you can madeit through the night sometimes for what it's
not that you know dark. Butthere's sometimes when I'm like, hey,
man, I wonder how Ben's doing, and I see you tweeting, I'm
like, oh, he's doing he'sfine, he's way normal, he's fine.
It's fine. Politics and some kindof the real science or something.
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Twitter is just it's it's just packedwith morons. It's just packed with the
dumbest people. And when you knowsomething, you're trying to explain it to
him and They're just trying to arguewith you, and I'm like, I
don't we have real world out onthis. What are you doing? I
liked to getting into a florio yesterday. That was I wasn't even trying to
get into it with him. ButI do think and we can talk about
this for a minut because it istopical today. On Twitter there's the aggregation
component. Aggregate like for Frank,I like me. Agrigation used to be
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somewhat beneficial. You have these aggatoraccounts, they pick up a story you
put out, your name got outthere, that kind of thing. It
used to be beneficial. Nowadays withthe way that Twitter has changed, and
now you get paid for the numberof views that your tweet gets. What
you get are people who take yourtweet, change the meaning of it due
to a clickbaity headline for themselves,put your name on it as a tag
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and say per you and then putit out there, and it's Aggregation has
largely become the bane of media.As people continue to gripe or to cry
media is not telling the truth.Well, a lot of times it's just
aggregators and not the original contract caretors. And oh, by the way,
the original contract creators are not gettingpaid for those those posts because somebody else
stole them, slapped you know,said you said this and that then put
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it on their account instead of quotetweeting it or whatever. Well, and
now we find out that Dove's countisn't really him anymore. Yeah, apparently
sold it in a while back.And I looked, because the guy quick
communicating with me at a certain point. Probably true. Yeah, so and
he already had, I mean,he along with that account has been under
hot water for for quite some time, for a multiple things. In this
weekend, of course, announcing thepregnancy of a girl that was, uh,
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I guess someone that I know.Okay, really I didn't know that.
I have a tangential connection and allthat, and yeah, tangential connection
to this person. It's through somebody. Okay, I have a tangential connection
to this person. And I say, no, acquaint it's not like friend.
This is not like going to justnot like call her up and hey,
so no, this just like meta couple of times, you know
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that. So yeah, so thisis this was like the weirdest thing because
immediately her Twitter account, which shehadn't used in years, all of a
sudden comes alive and and decrying thisand all that kind of stuff, and
so it was, you know,it was fascinating to me that aggregators don't
tend to break news. I mean, Florio kind of does sometimes, is
like the one that does some journalism, but for almost for almost the rest
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of them, no, they theyare breaking a story, you probably should
question about it. Yeah, andI would agree with that. There are
some tour horrible aggregators out there thatthe mL football that's a rhymes, you
know, it just makes stuff up. But you know, Douve had been
a decent aggregator at least gave credit, you know that kind of for his
other flaws and all that. AndI don't want to get into all that.
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You can find those on the internet. You know. My Sports Update,
I think is probably the best exampleof somebody who does it right more
or less. Ariu, Yeah,Ari Brov who you know, it's worked
for Pro Football Focus and a coupleothers, but he's you know, he's
probably the best example of somebody thatdoes it right. But there's there's so
much out there. And I noticedbecause of Twitter's new pay model, and
we'll get into football here A second, but because of Twitter's new pay model
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based on the views, like Ilike, there are accounts to just steal
things from other people, post changenothing, do a different cat like a
video, to do a different captionon the top, and that's it,
I like, And people you wouldotherwise at least half heartedly respect guys like
like Warren Sharps Warren Sharp took avideo the other day that some guy put
out there, just tasted a newcapture and over it and that was that.
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And everything out there is engagement bait. No, it absolutely is.
And I know we're going to getto some stuff about the OTA's coming back
tomorrow, we get a chance towatch that. But yeah, to your
point, there's a little bit ofa frustration because there are some accounts and
I think that the business model ofit is, do not retweet. You
can never retweet something. You haveto create an original content piece around the
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breaking news, right, And andsome employers expect that, like, hey,
if I'm employing it, I'm notemploying you to retweet somebody. I'm
employing you to create content. Andso even if you're not breaking the story,
you got to take the content thatwas put out there immediately repurpose and
repackage it. Of course you wantto give credit. You should give credit,
but that doesn't do the person tocreate it any good. But then
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but then that requires people to goclick on that person and go find the
original tweet, and that's which theydon't and by then they don't, they
just retweet you, and then youget all the love for it, right,
And so that's that's the thing,and so it's it's interesting to me
how how this is going. Ithink there's probably going to be a backlash
against aggregation here real soon, becauseyou know, everybody's fighting for their piece
of the pie. Nobody's put gotoriginal content. They're all ripping each other
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off. And you know, we'veseen the worst defender at NFL Memes is
probably the worst defender of all thatjust takes other people, don't even credit,
it just takes other people's jokes,slap their own water mark on it,
and you know it goes in there. So it'll be it'll be interesting
to see. Maybe that's maybe that'san inside baseball thing that only interests me,
But we'll we'll see how that goes. To Courtland Sutton, the rumors
out there about what he wants interms of salary, obviously coming from his
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side of the house. Uh,because that's a fairly low ask, you
know, and that's that's the salvageablething I think at this point. Uh,
you know, as far as thatgoes, that's how you do that.
What do you think should the Broncosspiff Courtland Sutton at all? Should
they trade him and get an asset? Should they should they bring him back?
Do they need him? This widereceiver room is pretty crowded, it
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is, but there's a lot ofredundancy, and I think that doesn't necessarily
help out Courtland Sutton. I putit like this, Cortland wants to feel
loved and and in the midst ofall of these cornerstone players is he probably
views it Jerry Judy, Justin Simmons, maybe even Russell Wilson to a certain
extent, seeing these guys leave orbe traded. All of a sudden,
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He's sitting there, as he tweetedout himself, that fresh Prince of bel
Air are looking around the living roomwith no furniture, nobody in there,
and he's filling kind of alone andhe just wants to know, Hey,
do the Broncos still love me.They still view me as one of the
players that is the best player onoffense or one of the best players in
offense, and a guy that canlegitimately make changes. And you know,
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he's he's earned himself probably a smidge. I think of leverage, even though
I don't love the leverage point ofthis because I think it's more on the
Broncos side of things, but theten touchdowns, double digit touchdowns, and
the fact that he really was themost productive offensive player last year. You
think about the most productive off playersoffensive players, and also you think about
like PFF the other day put outtheir top three players for every single team,
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Well, guys, what Corland Sutton'son there? Now? You could
argue, depending on whatever your frameor reference, but he probably is the
best offensive player for the Broncos basedon a national look of this team.
If you're looking from a SIXTEI player, yeah, skilled position player, fifty
thousand foot view, it was him, who was Quinn Minors and it was
patser Tan. Those are the topthree players. And it's kind of like,
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yeah, you know, I don'tI don't know. If I could
argue that much, I would haveremoved something and put Nick Benito in there,
but that's just me. Yeah.But again, like he's he's still
a bit of a projection, right. He still hasn't hit double digit sacks.
He hasn't been that guy just yet. And to that point, I'm
excited about what he's going to be. I think he's going to take another
step forward this year. I thinkthe pass rush is going to be better
because they're going to better against therun. But that being said, you
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need to be a better offensive team. Like we've done this before. When
we're talking about the defense and hopingthe defense is going to be solid,
defense has got to be solid.The offense needs to get going well,
right, And that's that's been thestory for a decade, I mean,
or almost at least eight seasons.But so the question now, really quick,
the question that becomes, can youget the production of what you were
expecting from Tim Patch or from OrtlandSuton at a guys like Tim Patrick,
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Josh Rentles and maybe some of theseyounger players stepping forward. Well, I
mean we saw flashes from little JordanHumphrey last year, and we know what
Tim Patrick is cable of win healthyReynolds. I mean, he plays,
he plays slot, but you maynot. It's just like the phrase from
Moneyball. You know, we can'tcan't have Geombi, but we can recreate
him, maybe recreate him in theaggregate, and that that maybe that may
be with the gun for here.I mean as they try to Sean Payton,
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teams tend not to spend in thewide receiver room. You got one
guy that gets paid. That's it. Right now, They've got a ton
of money in that room. They'restill trying to clear out so they can
use that money other places. Andoh, by the way, a ton
of money tied up a dead capfor Russ. I don't know. For
me, it feels like this isa natural trade. And point I think
Sutton. The problem for him ishe he had the monster season one season
too soon, you know, Imean, yet you had the season,
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and now you're in a contract herenow, and you know you got a
rookie quarterback probably throwing to the ball. You're recognizing you're not gonna hit those
benchmarks of those numbers. You're inan interdependent position, and uh, it's
probably the last time you're gonna getup up paid, you know, given
your age. So you got TimPatrick on a Vetman deal, and we've
already talked about the overlap of theirskill sets, right, and same thing.
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He's you know, he's the sameguy. Brandon Johnson is the guy
who showing flashing, the same guyout there running around. And that's the
thing about it is like I wasasked last night by by Taylor on on
Channel two asking me sort of aboutwhether Cortland should be there at OTAs,
and I said, yeah, actuallyI think he should. And it's not
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this isn't like a fandom thing.This is you got guys out there working
and they're working with a rookie quarterback, and you got Sean Payton watching these
guys, and he's starting to likelook around saying, feel pretty good about
my wide receiver room, and I'veI'll make this work. I'm I'm not
I'm not afraid to to figure thisout without Cortland. It's not like Cortland
is his guy. He wasn't herefor that contract, he wasn't here when
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he was drafted. Not his hump. So the fact is like for Sean
Payton, he might look at thisthing and you saw I saw. Anyways,
it's how giddy he was talking aboutall the players that he brought in
is starting to look like his team, a team he's constructed. And the
wide receiver room, make no stakeabout it, it's got his fingerprints all
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over it. Yeah, they alwayshad a guy over there that was you
know, Marcus Colston or Michael Thomaswhatever. They always had a guy over
there on the you know, onthe on that side, the slant god
whatever, you know, big bodytype. But again that that what Cortland
brings to the table is redundant withabout four or five of the guys,
right, And so that's all Ithink he should be out there said,
I think, I think from hisperspective probably, but to me this is
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headed for a natural divorce just becausethere's there's just not nobody has leverage.
I mean, the Broncos can't makehim come in. It's not gonna you
know, you can sit there rot. But uh, and then he's not
going to get him to move offtheir stance because there two years off of
this contract. What is he like, what is he gonna do here?
Well, yeah, there's no guaranteedmoney there. So if you're the Broncos,
the natural inflection point here is deal, deal him, get something out
of it and and move on aboutyour day. I think you're not under
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pressure to do that right now.I think once the start a training camp
hits, that's that's probably where you'reat that first week at camp. And
if you have any injuries between nowand then, maybe you trade him for
something that you know that helps fillthat. But uh, to me,
it feels like that this is headedfor divorce unless there's some kind of massive
turn around in the fact that Courtland'speople are leaking, Hey, only two
or three million more a year getit done at this stage tells me that
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they're they realize that they're in foryou know, they're in for a a
no leverage situation. But this iswhat we said from the beginning that we
wondered where where the inflection point ofthis whole thing was, so that that's
where I come down on all thingsbeing equal. We had this conversation on
k sports. All things being equal, he should probably be out there,
yeah, and again he can havehis feelings about things. He could try
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to work the systems through there.But if he looks really good out there,
and again they're running around shorts whatever, But if he if he looks
good out there, it gets ina mandatory mini camp and and he's still
feeling still feeling a certain way aboutit. You know, I think you
go back and say, I'm playingthe good soldier here, made a lot
of changes around here. I wantto feel like I'm loved. I don't
have a lot of guaranteed money onthis, you know where I said,
you know, but instead not there. Certainly, Sean Payton has said,
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I've talked to him. We're ingood place. I'm not even worried about
it. And it is voluntary,very important to say voluntary, right,
But you got a rookie quarterback,You've got a new direction for the franchise
right now. It's happening right nowin the field, and if you want
to be a part of it,be a part of it. That's why
I think the first week of trainingcamp is the thing, because then there
are mandatory fines that can no longerbe rescinded like they used to do back
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in the day, and so Ithink that's your inflection point there. Of
course it doesn't show up. Ithink it gets dealt in the first week
and then or she might be changingall of that here very soon, as
soon as next year. Aren't wewith the changes possibly to the off season
program. Yeah. I talked aboutthat a little bit yesterday. I did
a little straw poll, and I'mgoing to be honest, man. It
was reviled, universally hated. Well, why push? Yeah, why is
it being pushed by the players.It's being pushed by the players Association.
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But there were players that are like, man, I want that time.
I want to get away from them, I want to get away from the
grind. I got an old schoolcoach that I'd like to get out of
my ears for about a month,you know, and just be myself and
I'll tell you man. I mean, there were some people that were in
support of it, but I waslike a ninety ten split that was against
the way that it's set up.They're saying now. I was told,
I'm not against this in theory,I'm against what they've laid out so far.
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Interesting. So, you know,if you've got kids in school,
the last thing you want is yourvacation coming in May when you can't pull
them. You know, I understandthat, and that the timing is remarkable,
and certainly I think you know,you know, I talked about it
off Mike just about for coaches andfootball ops guys, and you know everybody
else. The personnel logistics for you, I hate it. They're absolutely gonna
hate it. But but I couldsee from like the body science, right,
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you're thinking about it in terms ofthe ramp up, which is what
happens starting in April all the wayinto May and June to a six week
off, than to a more significantramp up rather than just like slowly building
to the eventual crescendo that is theseason. That makes more sense to me,
even with the whole like, hey, I'd like to have June off.
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I mean, I get it.That's that's how I look at it.
I sort of get that. Butthen you go back, you look
at VIC Fangiel's first year here wherethey had the extended all that was different
because you very clearly at that pointwere getting prepared to play a game.
You were getting to play the Hallof Fame game. But yeah, and
again I think about that too,And I thought about it because we were
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both at that trainer Hall of Famegame and a new co two weeks early.
On top of that end, theywere veterans dead dead by especially mentally
physically. All of it right,So they got to that point, and
I don't think he's surprised by that, but I think that's what you have
a plan of, Like we're gonnatake a lot of the phase one,
phase two stuff and then plug thatin in late June into July. And
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so the first two weeks, threeweeks of it are very acclimated. We're
just doing stretching and conditioning. We'rejust doing film work in the classroom,
and then you you take it tothe field somewhere around the time that training
camp would happen. I think youcan make that work, but again,
you got to get everybody to signoff on it. And then Florida brought
up very quickly if Floria bought partpoint today about how he thinks the NFLPA
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is messing this up because they're comingat this thing proactively when they should be
more reactive, waiting for the NFLto come to the eighteen game thing and
then use this as a bargaining chip. Instead, they're gonna go to the
NFL, and the NFL is gonnabe like, yeah, sure, you
know this is good for us too. We don't really care what else you're
gonna give us. Yeah, that'sover from a new negotiation standpoint, A
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lot of sense. Then, yeah, I never give anything away for free,
which has been the NFL. TheNFL, the player's side of the
house, and these negotiations has alwaysbeen playing it with one hand tie behind
your back. I mean, Idon't know that you're gonna get anything for
this, necessarily, especially because coachesin front office types hate it. So
you know, I don't. Idon't really know, but we'll see how
that thing shakes out. I appreciateyou jumping in here and taking a few
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to chat, man, so itwas good to yeah any time, man,
see your smiling face. We can'tdo another segment. We can if
you want, I'm me, I'mhere. We'll do another one. Why
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Benjamin Albright joined in studio again bythe Ryan Edwards at Redwards Radio on your
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Twitter machine. Now I forced tocall it x, I forced my way
on your show. I didn't.Now basically, help for those of you
that don't know I'm being held atgun point, please please send help.
iPhones are cool. Well, Ilisten, man, I caught a little
bit of your segment yesterday, andI'm worried about you. Man. You
got down into the weeds on somethings. I heard a little Ksey casem
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in there where you're just reading headlinessome long distance dedications, and so I
was just like, you know what, I feel like, you need you
need this, You need somebody inhere to bounce off of for just a
little bit. And I worry aboutyou a little bit. Maybe it's just
the way you're dressed. You looklike you don't care about yourself anymore,
that's all. I just don't,you know, until they put cameras in
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here, which you know they Iguess they put them, but you know,
until they put they can't till thesecameras are active or whatever, you
know. I you know, Ijust don't care. Well, are you
going to try caring when you haveto go out to OTA's and watch the
Broncos? I would, except thatI won't be at OTAs tomorrow because we
have the heroes thank you, thefinal Heroes thank you thing, which was
much delayed. Well, are you'at least care for that? You know?
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I might I might shave shower,you know, put on pants.
We'll see. I love how yousaid mite, and it's completely believable.
I don't know. We really don'tknow. We'll see where somebody else says,
yeah, I might do this.It's like you're gonna do that.
It's like with you, I'm like, I don't know. I just don't
know. I could see. He'lljust tell him to shoot from the waist
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up. You know, he'll bein shorts and a leather jacket for whatever
reason and tell him to shoot fromthe waist up. Yeah. Yeah,
have you need a haircut? It'sgetting it's getting there, so we might
backwards hat it. Tomorrow. We'llsee, Okay, yeah, well you
have plenty of hat professional, youhave plenty of hat singular singular hat,
one hat to do it. Butnow I listen, ota is gonna be
great tomorrow. I'm gonna be fascinatedbecause last week a lot of people read
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into bow Nick's getting the Start onThursday that Sean Payton had organized it in
a certain way and guy that doesnothing by accidents, right, people say
that, we say that, Idon't know. I'm gonna be fascinated to
see the follow up to that,because because that narrative, and then Shawn's
got to know that it exists.He's gonna have to know that we showed
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up on Thursday. And guess who'staking staff with the ones? The rookie
quarterback that everybody wants to see bethe event starter. Is this gonna be
a situation where a the rotation workedout again where bon Nicks is the starter.
Is it gonna work out where no, it's Jared Stidham as the starter,
or are we gonna see Zach Wilson, who I thought was the most
erratic of all three. Yeah,see, I don't I don't even care
who's getting the quote unquote first teamraps. I mean, because they split
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him up pretty even like all three. Yeah, yeah, they do.
But there's a talent level of thereceivers you're throwing to. There's a talent
level. And listen, there's atalent level. Go right, But that's
all that's all in part of it, right. I mean, if if
bo Nicks is treading the third teamdefense, that's all it is, right,
It's the third team defense, andthen we can all honestly say that
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the third team defense. But ifhe's shredding the first team defense, which
is by the way, for themost part complete out there. I think
JFM is finally going back this week. Yeah, and then DJ Jones,
I know he's not quite there butyet, but but they're gonna they're gonna
get pretty close to full and readyto go. Well, then that is
something, not a lot of things, but it's something. Well, there's
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no pass rush. They're not reallyin pads or just in shells, and
and so I think for me,I'm just looking for a placement. You
know, where's the where's the quarterbackputting the ball? Is that? You
know? Because we saw a boatputting the ball behind receivers and and to
me, that's timing. I mean, you just don't you know, you
just don't know what these guys arecapable of because you've had only a couple
of throwing sessions, so you don'tknow where to put the ball just exactly.
Yet you're still trying to, youknow, work out the timing and
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all that kind of stuff, andand who's radick and who's not. You
know, Zach Wilson looks like atrain wreck, and then he'll make five
six throws in a row. You'relike, oh, that, that's that's
why he got drafted. Yeah,it's sick like it is. He just
can't you know, he's just notconsistent and that's that's sort of his thing,
and he'll he'll believe in it toomuch and try to squeeze the ball
emory shooting and that kind of stuff. And we'll see if they're able to
you know, to squeeze that outof him and then Stid them, you
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know, Stid Water as I callhim. You know, it's just a
steady veteran guy. So it'd beinteresting to hear and see what you know,
those guys are able to do inanother viewable period where we're kind of
at with that? Is that likean almost famous reference is that, well
I still water, you know,I you know, for me, I
anytime I hear still or I thinkof going to England and you know,
having to order water that way becausethey you know, it's got the bubbles
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in it, which is discussing awful. It's just this is the worst to
know I agree on. Yeah,you know, you and I don't agree.
Well, we were united like theUnited King. Wait, no,
they're not got the two R twors two white guy arms but you know,
doing the doing, the doing,the the meme, the hand grasp
exactly. Yeah, it's you know, I mean I think that everybody's gonna
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eyes are going to be on thequarterbacks and that's fine. But for me,
I'm like, Okay, which receiversare getting it, who's hanging on
to who's hanging on to the ball, Who's who's uh distinguishing themselves. I
thought Kroll, you know, haslooked good. They've they got plans for
him. You know last year hewas a guy kind of was like,
huh that guy, Well, whatcan they work me? It's the part,
yeah, you know, lost moneyon the touchdown prop in the Detroit
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game. He almost had it.Of course you're gonna make it about betting,
you know, I'm just saying,uh yeah, for all the people
on Twitter, they had a chanceto do in the Houston game because us
through his right right and I metboth of them. I was like,
you know, it was plus tenthousand tickets that all of sudden he forgot.
He was like Jimmy Graham besides ofJimmy Grahm, who could box let
Yeah, it was just ridiculous.And then you know val At I think
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is quietly not a lot of peopletalking about him. But I thought he
looked good out there, and thatwas a guy I was like, really
were drafting a really old wide receiverwith a redundant skill set. But you
know, he looked pretty good outthere. But it goes back to our
conversation in the previous segment about widereceivers, about what Sean Payton is liking
about this room, right, andthe fact that he has put this room
together. Think about it. Withexception of Corland Sudden, everybody that is
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in that room was by design orby request or some version of that by
Sean Payton. Even Tim Patrick backhere with the team on a vet men
deal Sean Payton had to sign offon. So that part, for me,
it is very telling on what hethinks about the room and where he
thinks this is going. And soyou're right with Veley. Drafting in the
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seventh round looked a little bit curiousbecause you're thinking, again, redundant skill
set for him running around there,like with eighty one on. I mean,
that's right, you're just like holdingup, Wow, Tim Patrick's looking
Oh wait, that's not Tim Patricklooks fry. Yeah. Wow. From
Utah too. Wow. But butthe thing is is like they they view
him as a guy that that couldeventually fill in that role. Now I
don't, you know, expect thatin year one, but you're right,
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he looked good in the early portionsof this off season work. That's why
I love this time of year.Some people, you know, kind of
dismiss it because it gives us inklingof some guys that we're gonna be able
to watch in training camp. Payhow did he do in off season work
and how did he carry that forwardinto training camp? Ye like Delia mcgloughlin
as a guy who's like, oh, that guy's got a little popto talked
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about him all during OTA's all right, yeah, And so that was that
was one of those things where youwanted to see what he could do once
the you know, once the padscame on, the same thing with with
with the land the defensive side ofthe ball. I think we're all or
at least I am anyway eyeballing thatthat CB two spot. You know,
j Quon McMillan's got the slot.You know, PS two is gonna be
what he is, But that othercorner slot is up for grabs. And
you know, they didn't pay alot of attention to it. They didn't.
They didn't add a lot to thatthat room. There's two things that
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kind of surprised me. The tightend room. They didn't really do much
with. The corner room. Theydidn't really do much with well, they
drafted Abram s Train, Yeah,who I actually like, I like quite
a bit. And you know thata guy that late usually is like a
you know, a rotational guy whowill be the guy in here two.
Sure, but I saw, andI've talked about this a couple of times
on Kavis Sports as walls with youthat a guy I know had him as
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a top one hundred pick, likeinside the top one hunter, which makes
him, you know, a daytwo guy. The point of it is,
I would say that some version ofyou know, Riley Moster, Tomory
mathis or in the mix. Ofcourse you've got who is it they brought
in right before the draft of thevet space in his name yeah former yeah
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Steeler, Yeah, and I'm drawinga blank. Yeah. But but they
they certainly have added to the room. But you're right they didn't. They
didnt obviously spend a free agency.They didn't use their their pot first pick
because they both nicks. Uh,they ended up you know, just sort
of like piecing it together, whichisn't like Levi Wallace, Levi Wallace.
So Levii Wallace is gonna be inthe mix too. But again that's kind
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of like a Fabian row thing,like I don't know if you want Fabian
Moreau or Levi Wallace starting, butyou do like having the veteran death.
Morow just got it by default becauseMathis couldn't hang out, just what I'm
saying, And that was the thing. Math has had that little stretch there.
He hit a brutally bad start andthen all of a sudden started to
show some flashes, and then youknow, you bring in Vance and I
don't know the wheels came off from. I think Moss has got a shot.
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We'll see, you know. Youknow the other part of this is
the reason when you mentioned Dabram Strangis Advance doesn't like to play rookies.
You know, we all know that. And so that's where I'm like,
well, you know, but thatthat's secondary. You've got that slot,
and then you get the safety slotswith Kareem and justin no longer here,
and so you know, I thinkthat the Bran Jones is gonna be one
of them. The money you'd figure. I think PJ and Brandon Jones are
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probably the guys with Kayden Sturns rotatingin. I think people think Kayden Stern
is gonna win the job. I'mnot sure he does. I think PJ
lock Who's got a bigger nose forthe ball. And if you go back
and you look at what Vance's defenselooked like like personnel wise, back when
he was here as a head coach, it feels like that Brandon Jones and
and PJ Locker are more likely totake those jobs. I'm I'm with you
on that. And so there's there'sdefinitely some spots for competition, but it's
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not like the wide receiver room oreven to a certain extent, the running
back room for me, because Ithink they kind of need all these guys
like I don't. I don't thinkthat. I don't think they're in a
position where they're taking a look attheir cornerback depth and saying, well,
you know, we're it's an abundance, right, We're so stalked. It's
like, no, you have alot of guys that are kind of on
the same level, and we justneed one of them to pop. We
need one or two of them tosort of take a step forward right now
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and become the guy. You know, you talk about the running back room.
They did spend assets there, Youdrafted ye estimate, you paid a
ton of money to Watson to youknow, to be a ud FA really
fast out there. He did.It's gonna be interesting because it feels like
you got an odd man out ofTyler Bades on that list. He feels
like one of the odd men out. But the other one, to me,
feels like some mudgic p ron pRyan was a guy who caught the
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ball more last year than he didanything else. Was really the third down
guy because of passpro and caught theball out of the backfield. I think
they want Javonte to sort of bethat guy and then use the other guys
in role specific type situations. Estimatewould be a short yardage and goal line
type back. Uh McLoughlin would bethe you know, the Sprolls type,
and then you'll, you know,if Watson works his way in there,
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there you go. I believe thatone or both of those guys will wind
up on kick return with the newkick return stuff. Talk to a guy
this week who works in special teamsin the NFL, and he said,
the the Packers, I believe withleading team last year with kick returns with
thirty or thirty one, and hesaid he expects teams to have one hundred
returns this year. Yeah, Isaw that. I saw that report as
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well earlier today, and that makesa ton of sense. I mean,
you saw with the Jets they broughtin Natrie Cohen, and hey, you're
gonna have you gotta have speed.You gotta have not just speed, you
have a quicks you gotta have somebodythat that can get north south quickly.
But they're also gonna have to torun like stretch plays almost. I mean
that. And I was listening toMike Florial today on with had McAfee and
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he was sort of talking about thekickoff rule and he brought up a really
good point that they can't actually runfull speed during this yet. So we
haven't got a chance to really seethis thing, right, but it is.
It's going to revolutionize and change thegame. I mean it really is.
And That's where I's going with thisnext, because that's the other thing
I want to see, you know, aside from the personnel and who does
what and who looks where, iswhat this kickoff stuff is going to look
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like? Because we've talked to people, Uh, you know the Steelers,
they've got some tricks up their sleeve. Maybe putting justin fields back there so
we can throw back across the field, uh, you know to a quarter
up Patterson and and and you knowthat kind of stuff create those kinds of
So guys, give me in motionbefore the snat, before the staff,
they can move around, right,It creates it creates lanes or stresses lanes
horizontally or not. Before the staffafter the balls kicks, they can both
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start moving, but everybody else hasto stay static, right, And so
that that creates a situation where,you know, maybe all of a sudden,
you're, if you're a kicker,you're looking and you're saying, well,
i'm kicking the field. I'm kickingat the quarterback or the backup quarterback
in that particular case, I'm kickingat him. So you kick at him.
Well, all of a sudden hetakes off and then throws back across
the field field to a you know, a quarter l Patterson go in the
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other direction. Well, you've suckedup the whole, the whole special teams,
you know, your way of creatinglane discipline type stuff. So there's
there are some interesting wrinkles. Ithink that we'll see uh certainly this year
with that. But it's it's addedvalue. And with guys that close,
it's gonna be a situation where youprobably you break a tackle, you're you're
probably getting free. And so that'sI think instead of receivers, while you're
looking maybe at running backs back there, guys that are there are more adept
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at breaking tackles, you know,in in that in that setup, yeah,
I mean, you have a ProBowl return on your team right now.
So whether Marvin Mims is the guyor not, we get in that
discussion. But Julia McLoughlin and BlakeWatson that scene and see, I think
that's what you're looking at. Itmaybe even an estimate maybe a power guy
and a speed guy, you know, because you don't want because then the
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other guy turns into a blocker,you're right, And so that's what I'm
thinking, is like, you know, maybe maybe there's a situation where you've
got a guy who's got a leftto them. Tyler, by the way
transition to a blocker Baity feels likethe odd man out. I think you're
right. I'm just saying he doeshave experience. So he does have experience.
And again we can't detail too manythings, but Tyler Baidy to get
some work doing some of the returnstuff, and so that gives you a
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little bit of an inclation kind ofjust more of logically where we're coming at
this thing. Running backs might havean earmark for some of these teams.
That's another reason why you just seeTrey Cohen, who's a running back,
getting picked up today. One thingwe don't have here, which I think
I'm thankful for, is a cultureproblem. You know, you look around
the league right now. We've gotthe big Manus situation going on the go
elsewhere. Kansas City has yet anotherproblem today with Isaiah Bugs. You know,
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law enforcements after him for for animalendangerment and cruelty. You know.
One of the things that I willsay that whatever my gripes have been with
Sean Baton, there certainly has notbeen an off the field culture issue problem
at all here in Denver. Thusfar, by the way, I stood
up for you the other day whenI was on with Mario and Patrick Coyote,
right, they were they were challengingme to encourage you to like Sean
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Payton or to feel better or talkmore positively about Seanda Payton. But I
hold him to a different standard thanI hold a first time head coach and
Nathaniel Hackett. Anyways, before youget defensive, I'm gonna be defensive.
I know I'm saying I stood upfor you, and I said that a
lot of times for you specifically,you you do your homework on people,
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and you you ask around the leagueand you get information and you get sourcing
and get stories, and it's sohard to separate what you know and somehow
like parse that out into maybe adifferent format. Right, It's like,
I know all these things. Howdo I take that information and not sound
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like I'm completely trashing this spurd orlike I think sometimes with guys like Jonathan
Gannon or even Dan Quinn where youhave a personal relationship there sound like a
homer and you sound like more likea homer and you're softening your your hit
on those guys. Oh well,you know, hey, Arizona had a
lot of problems that he had tocome in and fix all these things,
and oh boy, they're real scrappyteam and you're retweeting everything positive about the
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commander? Is it about the Cardinals? But but that's why I saying is
like, I think it's difficult.I think for somebody in your position.
And you notice a lot of insidersaround like this is me sticking up for
you, A lot of siders itaround like don't do long form radio.
So if these guys were forced todo long if Ian Rapport or Adams and
Adam Schefter has a pump pie podcast, but it's very right formatted. And
second, I mean it's not everyday now. I make no apologies.
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If you're if your family you're in, I'm b I'm pulling for you,
I'm rooting for you, and I'mI'm absolutely gonna pump your stuff. You
do long form radio when you knowhow the sausage is made. It's tough
to sit there sometimes and chew onyour tongue when you know when you you
know, and not be able tosay stuff. And it is, but
I appreciate that, and I amgoing on with them. I think next
Tuesday or whatever. I guess,uh they said, I wasn't handsome enough
for this Tuesday. I don't evenYeah, I had some kind of he
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canceled on you. How do youfeel about that? You know? I
mean when you've gotten this big timeis Mario with Tancy and you, Yeah,
he's like that Sometimes you just gottathat. I yeah, I I
That is one thing I'm appreciative of, though, is that I'm not covering
every scandal in the book or TaylorSwift story or whatever else is going on,
like this is going on Kansas Cityor maybe to be seeing whether that'll
affect him. And he reads agood coach and manages to keep teams together.
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And we've seen him coach through alot of distraction before. I mean
he had Torell Owens and Philly youremember all that. So it's it's not
like Reid hasn't dealt with it.But still it part of me wonders if
that's going to creep in over therein Kansas City at all. Yeah.
I mean, as long as youhave Patrick Mahomes, I mean, most
of the time, you know,you in winning cures all. So if
you're winning games and Patrick Mahomes isthere, you're probably gonna be fine.
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But you're right. We saw assoon as they started to look a little
shaky there towards the end of theregular season, people started to wonder if
all that stuff had caught up tohim. Well, here, really bad
offseason. If they start out alittle shaky, those conversations might start up
again. No truth to the rumorthat you've met with your agent. You're
reforming the band. It's gonna gettribute band though it's going to be Patchwork
Mahomes this time as a tribute toPat. No truth to that. No,
no truth to that. All right, Ryan Edwards appreciates you joining us
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here on Broncos Country Tonight. Obviouslyone of the founders of a Broncos Country
not on too Bigger and Better nowwith KOE Sports, but we we obviously
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Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight,Benjamin Olbright joined by the Og, the
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Triple Og, The John Oates tomy Daryl Hall Ryan Edwards, it's good
to see you man. You needyou to just do the mustache and the
mullet. Yeah, you know,I don't think my wife would appreciate that
very much, but I appreciate thesuggestion. I especially don't think she'll like
it very much. If I sayyou suggested it, well, you don't
have to say I suggested that.You just you know, you're really going
for that Morgan Walden looks right,that's where my brother, my brother actually
(00:26):
did that. He cut his hair. Yeah, it's awful. Look again,
absolutely as horrible as you would imagine. Yeah, it's again it's just
not you know, no no offenseto the Morgan Wallen look. And certainly
it's a horrible look. I say, you can throw chairs off the top
of a building. Yeah, that'sthe thing. That's the thing. You
almost have to right legally obligated tobuy a transam. Yeah. Yeah,
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but no. I had this wholedebate with Nick recently out of OTA's actually
last week, and we were talkingabout because he shaved off the beard,
and I said, well, thenmy wife would never allow that, would
not allow it. And he's like, well, you're you're a man,
and I'm like, you don't understand. And as a married man, I
think you would understand what she says. I like the beard. It stays,
The beard stays, beard plays forlife, for life. And actually,
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my wife, my, my wife'sfunny. She calls it a push
up raw from its faces, andhonestly that that's aut right. There's so
many men and you know, againI'm trying to lose a little boy,
but there's so many men that uh, you know, they don't really have
a defined jaw line. So thebeard helps define an actual jaw line that
doesn't. It makes it, youknow, And it helps helps me cover
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up this little turkey gobbler thing Igot going on below my worst grant with
them, Yeah, my on mychin here something. It's you know,
I'm trying to try to do somethingwith it. We'll figure it out.
I haven't. I'm in between linksright now. So I just like I
have the mange. You well,what you look like as you roll in
here with sweats and your customary blackT shirt and the same Jenkins elite hat
perf wearing well, no, that'snot the word. They jobs of radio,
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and then I wear the same Ijust like I'm trying to think how
many hours did you actually spend intoday before you rolled in here to do
well? At the time we're recordingthis, I carry the one divide by
Pie after I woke up an additionalfive hours. Okay, there you go.
Ye. And honestly, if you'reliving the dream, you're surprised that
I woke up that early. Ican tell by the look on your face.
So well, well, I alreadyI know when you wake up because
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I still have you notification, notification, Ben's alive, Okay, yeah,
well, I mean you can madeit through the night sometimes for what it's
not that you know dark. Butthere's sometimes when I'm like, hey,
man, I wonder how Ben's doing, and I see you tweeting, I'm
like, oh, he's doing he'sfine, he's way normal, he's fine.
It's fine. Politics and some kindof the real science or something.
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Twitter is just it's it's just packedwith morons. It's just packed with the
dumbest people. And when you knowsomething, you're trying to explain it to
him and They're just trying to arguewith you, and I'm like, I
don't we have real world out onthis. What are you doing? I
liked to getting into a florio yesterday. That was I wasn't even trying to
get into it with him. ButI do think and we can talk about
this for a minut because it istopical today. On Twitter there's the aggregation
component. Aggregate like for Frank,I like me. Agrigation used to be
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somewhat beneficial. You have these aggatoraccounts, they pick up a story you
put out, your name got outthere, that kind of thing. It
used to be beneficial. Nowadays withthe way that Twitter has changed, and
now you get paid for the numberof views that your tweet gets. What
you get are people who take yourtweet, change the meaning of it due
to a clickbaity headline for themselves,put your name on it as a tag
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and say per you and then putit out there, and it's Aggregation has
largely become the bane of media.As people continue to gripe or to cry
media is not telling the truth.Well, a lot of times it's just
aggregators and not the original contract caretors. And oh, by the way,
the original contract creators are not gettingpaid for those those posts because somebody else
stole them, slapped you know,said you said this and that then put
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it on their account instead of quotetweeting it or whatever. Well, and
now we find out that Dove's countisn't really him anymore. Yeah, apparently
sold it in a while back.And I looked, because the guy quick
communicating with me at a certain point. Probably true. Yeah, so and
he already had, I mean,he along with that account has been under
hot water for for quite some time, for a multiple things. In this
weekend, of course, announcing thepregnancy of a girl that was, uh,
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I guess someone that I know.Okay, really I didn't know that.
I have a tangential connection and allthat, and yeah, tangential connection
to this person. It's through somebody. Okay, I have a tangential connection
to this person. And I say, no, acquaint it's not like friend.
This is not like going to justnot like call her up and hey,
so no, this just like meta couple of times, you know
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that. So yeah, so thisis this was like the weirdest thing because
immediately her Twitter account, which shehadn't used in years, all of a
sudden comes alive and and decrying thisand all that kind of stuff, and
so it was, you know,it was fascinating to me that aggregators don't
tend to break news. I mean, Florio kind of does sometimes, is
like the one that does some journalism, but for almost for almost the rest
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of them, no, they theyare breaking a story, you probably should
question about it. Yeah, andI would agree with that. There are
some tour horrible aggregators out there thatthe mL football that's a rhymes, you
know, it just makes stuff up. But you know, Douve had been
a decent aggregator at least gave credit, you know that kind of for his
other flaws and all that. AndI don't want to get into all that.
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You can find those on the internet. You know. My Sports Update,
I think is probably the best exampleof somebody who does it right more
or less. Ariu, Yeah,Ari Brov who you know, it's worked
for Pro Football Focus and a coupleothers, but he's you know, he's
probably the best example of somebody thatdoes it right. But there's there's so
much out there. And I noticedbecause of Twitter's new pay model, and
we'll get into football here A second, but because of Twitter's new pay model
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based on the views, like Ilike, there are accounts to just steal
things from other people, post changenothing, do a different cat like a
video, to do a different captionon the top, and that's it,
I like, And people you wouldotherwise at least half heartedly respect guys like
like Warren Sharps Warren Sharp took avideo the other day that some guy put
out there, just tasted a newcapture and over it and that was that.
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And everything out there is engagement bait. No, it absolutely is.
And I know we're going to getto some stuff about the OTA's coming back
tomorrow, we get a chance towatch that. But yeah, to your
point, there's a little bit ofa frustration because there are some accounts and
I think that the business model ofit is, do not retweet. You
can never retweet something. You haveto create an original content piece around the
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breaking news, right, And andsome employers expect that, like, hey,
if I'm employing it, I'm notemploying you to retweet somebody. I'm
employing you to create content. Andso even if you're not breaking the story,
you got to take the content thatwas put out there immediately repurpose and
repackage it. Of course you wantto give credit. You should give credit,
but that doesn't do the person tocreate it any good. But then
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but then that requires people to goclick on that person and go find the
original tweet, and that's which theydon't and by then they don't, they
just retweet you, and then youget all the love for it, right,
And so that's that's the thing,and so it's it's interesting to me
how how this is going. Ithink there's probably going to be a backlash
against aggregation here real soon, becauseyou know, everybody's fighting for their piece
of the pie. Nobody's put gotoriginal content. They're all ripping each other
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off. And you know, we'veseen the worst defender at NFL Memes is
probably the worst defender of all thatjust takes other people, don't even credit,
it just takes other people's jokes,slap their own water mark on it,
and you know it goes in there. So it'll be it'll be interesting
to see. Maybe that's maybe that'san inside baseball thing that only interests me,
But we'll we'll see how that goes. To Courtland Sutton, the rumors
out there about what he wants interms of salary, obviously coming from his
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side of the house. Uh,because that's a fairly low ask, you
know, and that's that's the salvageablething I think at this point. Uh,
you know, as far as thatgoes, that's how you do that.
What do you think should the Broncosspiff Courtland Sutton at all? Should
they trade him and get an asset? Should they should they bring him back?
Do they need him? This widereceiver room is pretty crowded, it
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is, but there's a lot ofredundancy, and I think that doesn't necessarily
help out Courtland Sutton. I putit like this, Cortland wants to feel
loved and and in the midst ofall of these cornerstone players is he probably
views it Jerry Judy, Justin Simmons, maybe even Russell Wilson to a certain
extent, seeing these guys leave orbe traded. All of a sudden,
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He's sitting there, as he tweetedout himself, that fresh Prince of bel
Air are looking around the living roomwith no furniture, nobody in there,
and he's filling kind of alone andhe just wants to know, Hey,
do the Broncos still love me.They still view me as one of the
players that is the best player onoffense or one of the best players in
offense, and a guy that canlegitimately make changes. And you know,
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he's he's earned himself probably a smidge. I think of leverage, even though
I don't love the leverage point ofthis because I think it's more on the
Broncos side of things, but theten touchdowns, double digit touchdowns, and
the fact that he really was themost productive offensive player last year. You
think about the most productive off playersoffensive players, and also you think about
like PFF the other day put outtheir top three players for every single team,
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Well, guys, what Corland Sutton'son there? Now? You could
argue, depending on whatever your frameor reference, but he probably is the
best offensive player for the Broncos basedon a national look of this team.
If you're looking from a SIXTEI player, yeah, skilled position player, fifty
thousand foot view, it was him, who was Quinn Minors and it was
patser Tan. Those are the topthree players. And it's kind of like,
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yeah, you know, I don'tI don't know. If I could
argue that much, I would haveremoved something and put Nick Benito in there,
but that's just me. Yeah.But again, like he's he's still
a bit of a projection, right. He still hasn't hit double digit sacks.
He hasn't been that guy just yet. And to that point, I'm
excited about what he's going to be. I think he's going to take another
step forward this year. I thinkthe pass rush is going to be better
because they're going to better against therun. But that being said, you
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need to be a better offensive team. Like we've done this before. When
we're talking about the defense and hopingthe defense is going to be solid,
defense has got to be solid.The offense needs to get going well,
right, And that's that's been thestory for a decade, I mean,
or almost at least eight seasons.But so the question now, really quick,
the question that becomes, can youget the production of what you were
expecting from Tim Patch or from OrtlandSuton at a guys like Tim Patrick,
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Josh Rentles and maybe some of theseyounger players stepping forward. Well, I
mean we saw flashes from little JordanHumphrey last year, and we know what
Tim Patrick is cable of win healthyReynolds. I mean, he plays,
he plays slot, but you maynot. It's just like the phrase from
Moneyball. You know, we can'tcan't have Geombi, but we can recreate
him, maybe recreate him in theaggregate, and that that maybe that may
be with the gun for here.I mean as they try to Sean Payton,
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teams tend not to spend in thewide receiver room. You got one
guy that gets paid. That's it. Right now, They've got a ton
of money in that room. They'restill trying to clear out so they can
use that money other places. Andoh, by the way, a ton
of money tied up a dead capfor Russ. I don't know. For
me, it feels like this isa natural trade. And point I think
Sutton. The problem for him ishe he had the monster season one season
too soon, you know, Imean, yet you had the season,
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and now you're in a contract herenow, and you know you got a
rookie quarterback probably throwing to the ball. You're recognizing you're not gonna hit those
benchmarks of those numbers. You're inan interdependent position, and uh, it's
probably the last time you're gonna getup up paid, you know, given
your age. So you got TimPatrick on a Vetman deal, and we've
already talked about the overlap of theirskill sets, right, and same thing.
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He's you know, he's the sameguy. Brandon Johnson is the guy
who showing flashing, the same guyout there running around. And that's the
thing about it is like I wasasked last night by by Taylor on on
Channel two asking me sort of aboutwhether Cortland should be there at OTAs,
and I said, yeah, actuallyI think he should. And it's not
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this isn't like a fandom thing.This is you got guys out there working
and they're working with a rookie quarterback, and you got Sean Payton watching these
guys, and he's starting to likelook around saying, feel pretty good about
my wide receiver room, and I'veI'll make this work. I'm I'm not
I'm not afraid to to figure thisout without Cortland. It's not like Cortland
is his guy. He wasn't herefor that contract, he wasn't here when
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he was drafted. Not his hump. So the fact is like for Sean
Payton, he might look at thisthing and you saw I saw. Anyways,
it's how giddy he was talking aboutall the players that he brought in
is starting to look like his team, a team he's constructed. And the
wide receiver room, make no stakeabout it, it's got his fingerprints all
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over it. Yeah, they alwayshad a guy over there that was you
know, Marcus Colston or Michael Thomaswhatever. They always had a guy over
there on the you know, onthe on that side, the slant god
whatever, you know, big bodytype. But again that that what Cortland
brings to the table is redundant withabout four or five of the guys,
right, And so that's all Ithink he should be out there said,
I think, I think from hisperspective probably, but to me this is
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headed for a natural divorce just becausethere's there's just not nobody has leverage.
I mean, the Broncos can't makehim come in. It's not gonna you
know, you can sit there rot. But uh, and then he's not
going to get him to move offtheir stance because there two years off of
this contract. What is he like, what is he gonna do here?
Well, yeah, there's no guaranteedmoney there. So if you're the Broncos,
the natural inflection point here is deal, deal him, get something out
of it and and move on aboutyour day. I think you're not under
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pressure to do that right now.I think once the start a training camp
hits, that's that's probably where you'reat that first week at camp. And
if you have any injuries between nowand then, maybe you trade him for
something that you know that helps fillthat. But uh, to me,
it feels like that this is headedfor divorce unless there's some kind of massive
turn around in the fact that Courtland'speople are leaking, Hey, only two
or three million more a year getit done at this stage tells me that
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they're they realize that they're in foryou know, they're in for a a
no leverage situation. But this iswhat we said from the beginning that we
wondered where where the inflection point ofthis whole thing was, so that that's
where I come down on all thingsbeing equal. We had this conversation on
k sports. All things being equal, he should probably be out there,
yeah, and again he can havehis feelings about things. He could try
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to work the systems through there.But if he looks really good out there,
and again they're running around shorts whatever, But if he if he looks
good out there, it gets ina mandatory mini camp and and he's still
feeling still feeling a certain way aboutit. You know, I think you
go back and say, I'm playingthe good soldier here, made a lot
of changes around here. I wantto feel like I'm loved. I don't
have a lot of guaranteed money onthis, you know where I said,
you know, but instead not there. Certainly, Sean Payton has said,
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I've talked to him. We're ingood place. I'm not even worried about
it. And it is voluntary,very important to say voluntary, right,
But you got a rookie quarterback,You've got a new direction for the franchise
right now. It's happening right nowin the field, and if you want
to be a part of it,be a part of it. That's why
I think the first week of trainingcamp is the thing, because then there
are mandatory fines that can no longerbe rescinded like they used to do back
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in the day, and so Ithink that's your inflection point there. Of
course it doesn't show up. Ithink it gets dealt in the first week
and then or she might be changingall of that here very soon, as
soon as next year. Aren't wewith the changes possibly to the off season
program. Yeah. I talked aboutthat a little bit yesterday. I did
a little straw poll, and I'mgoing to be honest, man. It
was reviled, universally hated. Well, why push? Yeah, why is
it being pushed by the players.It's being pushed by the players Association.
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But there were players that are like, man, I want that time.
I want to get away from them, I want to get away from the
grind. I got an old schoolcoach that I'd like to get out of
my ears for about a month,you know, and just be myself and
I'll tell you man. I mean, there were some people that were in
support of it, but I waslike a ninety ten split that was against
the way that it's set up.They're saying now. I was told,
I'm not against this in theory,I'm against what they've laid out so far.
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Interesting. So, you know,if you've got kids in school,
the last thing you want is yourvacation coming in May when you can't pull
them. You know, I understandthat, and that the timing is remarkable,
and certainly I think you know,you know, I talked about it
off Mike just about for coaches andfootball ops guys, and you know everybody
else. The personnel logistics for you, I hate it. They're absolutely gonna
hate it. But but I couldsee from like the body science, right,
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you're thinking about it in terms ofthe ramp up, which is what
happens starting in April all the wayinto May and June to a six week
off, than to a more significantramp up rather than just like slowly building
to the eventual crescendo that is theseason. That makes more sense to me,
even with the whole like, hey, I'd like to have June off.
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I mean, I get it.That's that's how I look at it.
I sort of get that. Butthen you go back, you look
at VIC Fangiel's first year here wherethey had the extended all that was different
because you very clearly at that pointwere getting prepared to play a game.
You were getting to play the Hallof Fame game. But yeah, and
again I think about that too,And I thought about it because we were
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both at that trainer Hall of Famegame and a new co two weeks early.
On top of that end, theywere veterans dead dead by especially mentally
physically. All of it right,So they got to that point, and
I don't think he's surprised by that, but I think that's what you have
a plan of, Like we're gonnatake a lot of the phase one,
phase two stuff and then plug thatin in late June into July. And
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so the first two weeks, threeweeks of it are very acclimated. We're
just doing stretching and conditioning. We'rejust doing film work in the classroom,
and then you you take it tothe field somewhere around the time that training
camp would happen. I think youcan make that work, but again,
you got to get everybody to signoff on it. And then Florida brought
up very quickly if Floria bought partpoint today about how he thinks the NFLPA
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is messing this up because they're comingat this thing proactively when they should be
more reactive, waiting for the NFLto come to the eighteen game thing and
then use this as a bargaining chip. Instead, they're gonna go to the
NFL, and the NFL is gonnabe like, yeah, sure, you
know this is good for us too. We don't really care what else you're
gonna give us. Yeah, that'sover from a new negotiation standpoint, A
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lot of sense. Then, yeah, I never give anything away for free,
which has been the NFL. TheNFL, the player's side of the
house, and these negotiations has alwaysbeen playing it with one hand tie behind
your back. I mean, Idon't know that you're gonna get anything for
this, necessarily, especially because coachesin front office types hate it. So
you know, I don't. Idon't really know, but we'll see how
that thing shakes out. I appreciateyou jumping in here and taking a few
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to chat, man, so itwas good to yeah any time, man,
see your smiling face. We can'tdo another segment. We can if
you want, I'm me, I'mhere. We'll do another one. Why
not listen to Broncos Country Tonight righthere on koa's a fifty am ninety four
one FM News Talk Sports. Welcomeback to it, Broncos Country Tonight.
Benjamin Albright joined in studio again bythe Ryan Edwards at Redwards Radio on your
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Twitter machine. Now I forced tocall it x, I forced my way
on your show. I didn't.Now basically, help for those of you
that don't know I'm being held atgun point, please please send help.
iPhones are cool. Well, Ilisten, man, I caught a little
bit of your segment yesterday, andI'm worried about you. Man. You
got down into the weeds on somethings. I heard a little Ksey casem
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in there where you're just reading headlinessome long distance dedications, and so I
was just like, you know what, I feel like, you need you
need this, You need somebody inhere to bounce off of for just a
little bit. And I worry aboutyou a little bit. Maybe it's just
the way you're dressed. You looklike you don't care about yourself anymore,
that's all. I just don't,you know, until they put cameras in
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here, which you know they Iguess they put them, but you know,
until they put they can't till thesecameras are active or whatever, you
know. I you know, Ijust don't care. Well, are you
going to try caring when you haveto go out to OTA's and watch the
Broncos? I would, except thatI won't be at OTAs tomorrow because we
have the heroes thank you, thefinal Heroes thank you thing, which was
much delayed. Well, are you'at least care for that? You know?
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I might I might shave shower,you know, put on pants.
We'll see. I love how yousaid mite, and it's completely believable.
I don't know. We really don'tknow. We'll see where somebody else says,
yeah, I might do this.It's like you're gonna do that.
It's like with you, I'm like, I don't know. I just don't
know. I could see. He'lljust tell him to shoot from the waist
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up. You know, he'll bein shorts and a leather jacket for whatever
reason and tell him to shoot fromthe waist up. Yeah. Yeah,
have you need a haircut? It'sgetting it's getting there, so we might
backwards hat it. Tomorrow. We'llsee, Okay, yeah, well you
have plenty of hat professional, youhave plenty of hat singular singular hat,
one hat to do it. Butnow I listen, ota is gonna be
great tomorrow. I'm gonna be fascinatedbecause last week a lot of people read
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into bow Nick's getting the Start onThursday that Sean Payton had organized it in
a certain way and guy that doesnothing by accidents, right, people say
that, we say that, Idon't know. I'm gonna be fascinated to
see the follow up to that,because because that narrative, and then Shawn's
got to know that it exists.He's gonna have to know that we showed
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up on Thursday. And guess who'staking staff with the ones? The rookie
quarterback that everybody wants to see bethe event starter. Is this gonna be
a situation where a the rotation workedout again where bon Nicks is the starter.
Is it gonna work out where no, it's Jared Stidham as the starter,
or are we gonna see Zach Wilson, who I thought was the most
erratic of all three. Yeah,see, I don't I don't even care
who's getting the quote unquote first teamraps. I mean, because they split
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him up pretty even like all three. Yeah, yeah, they do.
But there's a talent level of thereceivers you're throwing to. There's a talent
level. And listen, there's atalent level. Go right, But that's
all that's all in part of it, right. I mean, if if
bo Nicks is treading the third teamdefense, that's all it is, right,
It's the third team defense, andthen we can all honestly say that
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the third team defense. But ifhe's shredding the first team defense, which
is by the way, for themost part complete out there. I think
JFM is finally going back this week. Yeah, and then DJ Jones,
I know he's not quite there butyet, but but they're gonna they're gonna
get pretty close to full and readyto go. Well, then that is
something, not a lot of things, but it's something. Well, there's
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no pass rush. They're not reallyin pads or just in shells, and
and so I think for me,I'm just looking for a placement. You
know, where's the where's the quarterbackputting the ball? Is that? You
know? Because we saw a boatputting the ball behind receivers and and to
me, that's timing. I mean, you just don't you know, you
just don't know what these guys arecapable of because you've had only a couple
of throwing sessions, so you don'tknow where to put the ball just exactly.
Yet you're still trying to, youknow, work out the timing and
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all that kind of stuff, andand who's radick and who's not. You
know, Zach Wilson looks like atrain wreck, and then he'll make five
six throws in a row. You'relike, oh, that, that's that's
why he got drafted. Yeah,it's sick like it is. He just
can't you know, he's just notconsistent and that's that's sort of his thing,
and he'll he'll believe in it toomuch and try to squeeze the ball
emory shooting and that kind of stuff. And we'll see if they're able to
you know, to squeeze that outof him and then Stid them, you
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know, Stid Water as I callhim. You know, it's just a
steady veteran guy. So it'd beinteresting to hear and see what you know,
those guys are able to do inanother viewable period where we're kind of
at with that? Is that likean almost famous reference is that, well
I still water, you know,I you know, for me, I
anytime I hear still or I thinkof going to England and you know,
having to order water that way becausethey you know, it's got the bubbles
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in it, which is discussing awful. It's just this is the worst to
know I agree on. Yeah,you know, you and I don't agree.
Well, we were united like theUnited King. Wait, no,
they're not got the two R twors two white guy arms but you know,
doing the doing, the doing,the the meme, the hand grasp
exactly. Yeah, it's you know, I mean I think that everybody's gonna
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eyes are going to be on thequarterbacks and that's fine. But for me,
I'm like, Okay, which receiversare getting it, who's hanging on
to who's hanging on to the ball, Who's who's uh distinguishing themselves. I
thought Kroll, you know, haslooked good. They've they got plans for
him. You know last year hewas a guy kind of was like,
huh that guy, Well, whatcan they work me? It's the part,
yeah, you know, lost moneyon the touchdown prop in the Detroit
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game. He almost had it.Of course you're gonna make it about betting,
you know, I'm just saying,uh yeah, for all the people
on Twitter, they had a chanceto do in the Houston game because us
through his right right and I metboth of them. I was like,
you know, it was plus tenthousand tickets that all of sudden he forgot.
He was like Jimmy Graham besides ofJimmy Grahm, who could box let
Yeah, it was just ridiculous.And then you know val At I think
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is quietly not a lot of peopletalking about him. But I thought he
looked good out there, and thatwas a guy I was like, really
were drafting a really old wide receiverwith a redundant skill set. But you
know, he looked pretty good outthere. But it goes back to our
conversation in the previous segment about widereceivers, about what Sean Payton is liking
about this room, right, andthe fact that he has put this room
together. Think about it. Withexception of Corland Sudden, everybody that is
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in that room was by design orby request or some version of that by
Sean Payton. Even Tim Patrick backhere with the team on a vet men
deal Sean Payton had to sign offon. So that part, for me,
it is very telling on what hethinks about the room and where he
thinks this is going. And soyou're right with Veley. Drafting in the
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seventh round looked a little bit curiousbecause you're thinking, again, redundant skill
set for him running around there,like with eighty one on. I mean,
that's right, you're just like holdingup, Wow, Tim Patrick's looking
Oh wait, that's not Tim Patricklooks fry. Yeah. Wow. From
Utah too. Wow. But butthe thing is is like they they view
him as a guy that that couldeventually fill in that role. Now I
don't, you know, expect thatin year one, but you're right,
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he looked good in the early portionsof this off season work. That's why
I love this time of year.Some people, you know, kind of
dismiss it because it gives us inklingof some guys that we're gonna be able
to watch in training camp. Payhow did he do in off season work
and how did he carry that forwardinto training camp? Ye like Delia mcgloughlin
as a guy who's like, oh, that guy's got a little popto talked
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about him all during OTA's all right, yeah, And so that was that
was one of those things where youwanted to see what he could do once
the you know, once the padscame on, the same thing with with
with the land the defensive side ofthe ball. I think we're all or
at least I am anyway eyeballing thatthat CB two spot. You know,
j Quon McMillan's got the slot.You know, PS two is gonna be
what he is, But that othercorner slot is up for grabs. And
you know, they didn't pay alot of attention to it. They didn't.
They didn't add a lot to thatthat room. There's two things that
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kind of surprised me. The tightend room. They didn't really do much
with. The corner room. Theydidn't really do much with well, they
drafted Abram s Train, Yeah,who I actually like, I like quite
a bit. And you know thata guy that late usually is like a
you know, a rotational guy whowill be the guy in here two.
Sure, but I saw, andI've talked about this a couple of times
on Kavis Sports as walls with youthat a guy I know had him as
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a top one hundred pick, likeinside the top one hunter, which makes
him, you know, a daytwo guy. The point of it is,
I would say that some version ofyou know, Riley Moster, Tomory
mathis or in the mix. Ofcourse you've got who is it they brought
in right before the draft of thevet space in his name yeah former yeah
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Steeler, Yeah, and I'm drawinga blank. Yeah. But but they
they certainly have added to the room. But you're right they didn't. They
didnt obviously spend a free agency.They didn't use their their pot first pick
because they both nicks. Uh,they ended up you know, just sort
of like piecing it together, whichisn't like Levi Wallace, Levi Wallace.
So Levii Wallace is gonna be inthe mix too. But again that's kind
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of like a Fabian row thing,like I don't know if you want Fabian
Moreau or Levi Wallace starting, butyou do like having the veteran death.
Morow just got it by default becauseMathis couldn't hang out, just what I'm
saying, And that was the thing. Math has had that little stretch there.
He hit a brutally bad start andthen all of a sudden started to
show some flashes, and then youknow, you bring in Vance and I
don't know the wheels came off from. I think Moss has got a shot.
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We'll see, you know. Youknow the other part of this is
the reason when you mentioned Dabram Strangis Advance doesn't like to play rookies.
You know, we all know that. And so that's where I'm like,
well, you know, but thatthat's secondary. You've got that slot,
and then you get the safety slotswith Kareem and justin no longer here,
and so you know, I thinkthat the Bran Jones is gonna be one
of them. The money you'd figure. I think PJ and Brandon Jones are
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probably the guys with Kayden Sturns rotatingin. I think people think Kayden Stern
is gonna win the job. I'mnot sure he does. I think PJ
lock Who's got a bigger nose forthe ball. And if you go back
and you look at what Vance's defenselooked like like personnel wise, back when
he was here as a head coach, it feels like that Brandon Jones and
and PJ Locker are more likely totake those jobs. I'm I'm with you
on that. And so there's there'sdefinitely some spots for competition, but it's
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not like the wide receiver room oreven to a certain extent, the running
back room for me, because Ithink they kind of need all these guys
like I don't. I don't thinkthat. I don't think they're in a
position where they're taking a look attheir cornerback depth and saying, well,
you know, we're it's an abundance, right, We're so stalked. It's
like, no, you have alot of guys that are kind of on
the same level, and we justneed one of them to pop. We
need one or two of them tosort of take a step forward right now
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and become the guy. You know, you talk about the running back room.
They did spend assets there, Youdrafted ye estimate, you paid a
ton of money to Watson to youknow, to be a ud FA really
fast out there. He did.It's gonna be interesting because it feels like
you got an odd man out ofTyler Bades on that list. He feels
like one of the odd men out. But the other one, to me,
feels like some mudgic p ron pRyan was a guy who caught the
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ball more last year than he didanything else. Was really the third down
guy because of passpro and caught theball out of the backfield. I think
they want Javonte to sort of bethat guy and then use the other guys
in role specific type situations. Estimatewould be a short yardage and goal line
type back. Uh McLoughlin would bethe you know, the Sprolls type,
and then you'll, you know,if Watson works his way in there,
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there you go. I believe thatone or both of those guys will wind
up on kick return with the newkick return stuff. Talk to a guy
this week who works in special teamsin the NFL, and he said,
the the Packers, I believe withleading team last year with kick returns with
thirty or thirty one, and hesaid he expects teams to have one hundred
returns this year. Yeah, Isaw that. I saw that report as
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well earlier today, and that makesa ton of sense. I mean,
you saw with the Jets they broughtin Natrie Cohen, and hey, you're
gonna have you gotta have speed.You gotta have not just speed, you
have a quicks you gotta have somebodythat that can get north south quickly.
But they're also gonna have to torun like stretch plays almost. I mean
that. And I was listening toMike Florial today on with had McAfee and
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he was sort of talking about thekickoff rule and he brought up a really
good point that they can't actually runfull speed during this yet. So we
haven't got a chance to really seethis thing, right, but it is.
It's going to revolutionize and change thegame. I mean it really is.
And That's where I's going with thisnext, because that's the other thing
I want to see, you know, aside from the personnel and who does
what and who looks where, iswhat this kickoff stuff is going to look
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like? Because we've talked to people, Uh, you know the Steelers,
they've got some tricks up their sleeve. Maybe putting justin fields back there so
we can throw back across the field, uh, you know to a quarter
up Patterson and and and you knowthat kind of stuff create those kinds of
So guys, give me in motionbefore the snat, before the staff,
they can move around, right,It creates it creates lanes or stresses lanes
horizontally or not. Before the staffafter the balls kicks, they can both
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start moving, but everybody else hasto stay static, right, And so
that that creates a situation where,you know, maybe all of a sudden,
you're, if you're a kicker,you're looking and you're saying, well,
i'm kicking the field. I'm kickingat the quarterback or the backup quarterback
in that particular case, I'm kickingat him. So you kick at him.
Well, all of a sudden hetakes off and then throws back across
the field field to a you know, a quarter l Patterson go in the
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other direction. Well, you've suckedup the whole, the whole special teams,
you know, your way of creatinglane discipline type stuff. So there's
there are some interesting wrinkles. Ithink that we'll see uh certainly this year
with that. But it's it's addedvalue. And with guys that close,
it's gonna be a situation where youprobably you break a tackle, you're you're
probably getting free. And so that'sI think instead of receivers, while you're
looking maybe at running backs back there, guys that are there are more adept
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at breaking tackles, you know,in in that in that setup, yeah,
I mean, you have a ProBowl return on your team right now.
So whether Marvin Mims is the guyor not, we get in that
discussion. But Julia McLoughlin and BlakeWatson that scene and see, I think
that's what you're looking at. Itmaybe even an estimate maybe a power guy
and a speed guy, you know, because you don't want because then the
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other guy turns into a blocker,you're right, And so that's what I'm
thinking, is like, you know, maybe maybe there's a situation where you've
got a guy who's got a leftto them. Tyler, by the way
transition to a blocker Baity feels likethe odd man out. I think you're
right. I'm just saying he doeshave experience. So he does have experience.
And again we can't detail too manythings, but Tyler Baidy to get
some work doing some of the returnstuff, and so that gives you a
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little bit of an inclation kind ofjust more of logically where we're coming at
this thing. Running backs might havean earmark for some of these teams.
That's another reason why you just seeTrey Cohen, who's a running back,
getting picked up today. One thingwe don't have here, which I think
I'm thankful for, is a cultureproblem. You know, you look around
the league right now. We've gotthe big Manus situation going on the go
elsewhere. Kansas City has yet anotherproblem today with Isaiah Bugs. You know,
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law enforcements after him for for animalendangerment and cruelty. You know.
One of the things that I willsay that whatever my gripes have been with
Sean Baton, there certainly has notbeen an off the field culture issue problem
at all here in Denver. Thusfar, by the way, I stood
up for you the other day whenI was on with Mario and Patrick Coyote,
right, they were they were challengingme to encourage you to like Sean
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Payton or to feel better or talkmore positively about Seanda Payton. But I
hold him to a different standard thanI hold a first time head coach and
Nathaniel Hackett. Anyways, before youget defensive, I'm gonna be defensive.
I know I'm saying I stood upfor you, and I said that a
lot of times for you specifically,you you do your homework on people,
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and you you ask around the leagueand you get information and you get sourcing
and get stories, and it's sohard to separate what you know and somehow
like parse that out into maybe adifferent format. Right, It's like,
I know all these things. Howdo I take that information and not sound
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like I'm completely trashing this spurd orlike I think sometimes with guys like Jonathan
Gannon or even Dan Quinn where youhave a personal relationship there sound like a
homer and you sound like more likea homer and you're softening your your hit
on those guys. Oh well,you know, hey, Arizona had a
lot of problems that he had tocome in and fix all these things,
and oh boy, they're real scrappyteam and you're retweeting everything positive about the
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commander? Is it about the Cardinals? But but that's why I saying is
like, I think it's difficult.I think for somebody in your position.
And you notice a lot of insidersaround like this is me sticking up for
you, A lot of siders itaround like don't do long form radio.
So if these guys were forced todo long if Ian Rapport or Adams and
Adam Schefter has a pump pie podcast, but it's very right formatted. And
second, I mean it's not everyday now. I make no apologies.
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If you're if your family you're in, I'm b I'm pulling for you,
I'm rooting for you, and I'mI'm absolutely gonna pump your stuff. You
do long form radio when you knowhow the sausage is made. It's tough
to sit there sometimes and chew onyour tongue when you know when you you
know, and not be able tosay stuff. And it is, but
I appreciate that, and I amgoing on with them. I think next
Tuesday or whatever. I guess,uh they said, I wasn't handsome enough
for this Tuesday. I don't evenYeah, I had some kind of he
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canceled on you. How do youfeel about that? You know? I
mean when you've gotten this big timeis Mario with Tancy and you, Yeah,
he's like that Sometimes you just gottathat. I yeah, I I
That is one thing I'm appreciative of, though, is that I'm not covering
every scandal in the book or TaylorSwift story or whatever else is going on,
like this is going on Kansas Cityor maybe to be seeing whether that'll
affect him. And he reads agood coach and manages to keep teams together.
(34:12):
And we've seen him coach through alot of distraction before. I mean
he had Torell Owens and Philly youremember all that. So it's it's not
like Reid hasn't dealt with it.But still it part of me wonders if
that's going to creep in over therein Kansas City at all. Yeah.
I mean, as long as youhave Patrick Mahomes, I mean, most
of the time, you know,you in winning cures all. So if
you're winning games and Patrick Mahomes isthere, you're probably gonna be fine.
(34:35):
But you're right. We saw assoon as they started to look a little
shaky there towards the end of theregular season, people started to wonder if
all that stuff had caught up tohim. Well, here, really bad
offseason. If they start out alittle shaky, those conversations might start up
again. No truth to the rumorthat you've met with your agent. You're
reforming the band. It's gonna gettribute band though it's going to be Patchwork
Mahomes this time as a tribute toPat. No truth to that. No,
no truth to that. All right, Ryan Edwards appreciates you joining us
(35:00):
here on Broncos Country Tonight. Obviouslyone of the founders of a Broncos Country
not on too Bigger and Better nowwith KOE Sports, but we we obviously
appreciate your time. Listen to BroncosCountry Tonight right here on koa's a fifty
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