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Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's taking his listeners for granted, Okay, especially Ben I
would do fair enough. Oh my goodness. Let's see what
do we have. Last night, the uh okay see Thunder
put an epic beat down on the Wolves, who didn't
show up for the first quarter of that game. Tried
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to make it a game later and it was not happening.
But scored nine points in the first order. Nine points in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The first quarter against OKAC.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Nine points in the first quarter wouldn't be okay against
the Charlotte Hornets. They wouldn't be okay against the New
Orleans Pelicans. It's certainly not gonna be good enough against
the OKAC Thunder. The Wolves have got to find a
third scoring option that is reliable, because all their third
options were not were nowhere to be found last night.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
That was a very talented roster that Tim Conley put together,
but just I mean for the sake of the game
against OKAC, they just couldn't get it together. And Julius Randall,
who had a great run to close out the regular season,
he was kind of a no show in several games.
So Anthony Edwards was pretty much out there by himself
because you can't expect to get any type of offensive
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production for Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean, obviously for if you are.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You could expect it, and you're gonna be sorely disappointed
if you do.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yes, obviously you are, and you gotta tip your cat
to Oka. See, they did a great.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Job defensively forcing ant Man to really be perfect bringing
the ball up to court. Now, they did something that
I felt as that was extraordinary and I wish that
more teams in the NBA would do it, but you
don't typically see it. You see it more on the
collegiate level, where they pressured the ball being inbound and
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they harassed the guy bringing the ball of court.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And that's what they did to Anthony ra was they were.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Throwing multiple guys at him, and then they did a
great job handling the switches and being able to get
back to the open shooter. So that was one of
those things that they did well that was really impressive.
And I mean, I don't know who's gonna win the
series between the Knicks and the Pacers, but this is
the year for ok See.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Randall led the Wolves and scoring with twenty four points.
One of the games he did show up for, Edwards
had nineteen, but it was an off shooting night, including
one e step from Downtown. The other three starters for
the Wolves combined for seven points. Jade McDaniels, Rudy Gobert,
and Mike Conley combined for seven points.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think Mike Conley finally looks a little old and
slow when you're going up against all those young guys.
For Okaysey, you know, I've been a huge fan of
his for years, but.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
You're always looking like now, Chris Paul, Yes, like like
really in the last two years.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, yeah, look really slow.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
But the one thing I'll say about Okac because I
feel is though, when this win, they start of put
the entire NBA on notice.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And here's why. You have a bunch of young players.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I think their average age is about twenty four years
old for second in the league. And you have a
bunch of guys who they don't care about who gets
the headlines. And the one thing that's really impressive to
me is like, no matter who balled out that particular game,
when when that person is standing there being interviewed by
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ESPN and whomever, the holes squad is lined up behind
them and there's a lot of support. And the biggest
thing for me, there are no egos. There's no egos
in the world. We're talking about NBA basketball, where guys
get paid an absorbed amount of money, but.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
This team has no egos.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That starts with SGA, don't you think, like he seems
like a very humble superstar and.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Guess what, he's Canadian.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What does that have to do. There's an American arrogance, real.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Anthony Edwards personality versus SGO.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
That's just the upposite.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Like if you've ever been to another country, you sort
of get the joke here. But like the way that
Americans are portrayed on television in every other country that
versus how we're portrayed like we're the hero in the movies.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Here, we're the.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Fat, funny guy in like you know, we're the fat buffoons.
And everybody else's TV shows, you know, with like unbridled
arrogance and you know, and and obese and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But there's something to that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I mean, you know, he there is something that ego
lists because you sort of need it for a team
like that, and the way that they the way that
they do things you don't you know, SGA is supreme intelligence.
So he's gonna get his United a night out. Just
for the rest of those guys, It's it's really about Hey,
as long as my team's winning games, I don't care
if I'm hitting home run. But as long as my
teams winning games some nights, I'm gonna be the hero.
Some Knights, it's gonna be Isaiah Joe, some Knights, it's
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gonna be Caruso some night. You know, the secondary and third,
they just have guys that can shoot and play defense.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
But this is another way that they're reshaping the NBA
because you look at every sport as a team sport.
Basketball is considered, oh, the ultimate team sport. But I
don't believe that there's a team out there in association
right now that plays team ball the way Okay see
play because once again I go back to no egos.
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Caruso has been successful in the series and the series
against the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
He's a great cheerleader, right, and he gets his hands
and active players to get the ball out in transition
and they can score and the defense is relentless.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I said here maybe about two.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Weeks ago in the Sports too, when I tried to
tell Dave and Ryan because there were some issues about
how OKC was playing defense against Nicola Jokis and the
Dinver Nuggets, how it was a little unfair.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm like, when you've been playing defense.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Like that in the entire season, you're gonna get those
calls or you're not gonna get calls called against you
because that's your innate nature. So you have a young
team that they are unselfish, play, they play for one another,
they know their roles right, and they embrace their wrongs.
That's a threat in the in the NBA because how
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many teams out there that you can name and text line.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You jump in on this.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
As well, that you know you have eight guys on
your roster who are great two way players.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, I would say that the Pacers, who they may
see in the finals, are the closest to it in
the league. Like they don't care the ball, they play defense,
they run and gun, they don't care who gets the credit.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I would say the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, I think the Pacers are that team. Boston's gonna
have to blow theirs up. They've just got too many contracts.
They're gonna have to blow theirs up. I think they
were Cleveland just kind of you know, it's kind of
on the cusp of that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There's there's a few teams out there. I think that
that sort of fit that mold. I think, you know,
I think.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They're not too many teams that play team ball.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right like this, Like and I think the Nuggets play
team ball. They don't play defense, Like I don't play defense?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
What a minute? That's part of playing team ball, is it?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Not?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
You have to play defense? Not not when your coach
yells at you or you get blown up by thirty.
Now you want to huff and puff and then you
want to go out there and play defense. That's not
who the Nuggets are.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And that's one thing that always shows up the defense.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
The defense, and that's what okay, see became like you
you were joking, jokingly talking about the twenty six and
twenty fords into nine first quarters? How do they do that?
They forced turnovers? Yeah, they did a great job before.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's a combination of the fact that Minnesota has two
guys that are reliable scorers at one point five really
and that's and that's and then the way that they
play defense.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, so he plays smothering.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They're all lengthy guys, they all put hands in the lane,
they're disruptive, they bat the tip passes, and they continue
to go after and tip passes until they got turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And it pays dividends for them. You know, that effort.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The fact I think that they can play that style
of basketball because they really do run eleven twelve deep.
I mean, you've got guys that are ten to eleven
to the best guys like Isaiah Joe, there are ten
to eleven on that bench. They could come in there
and knock down threes and play defense.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The other Jalen Williams who won't play at all one game, right,
and then help play twenty five minutes and have ten
rebounds and ten points the next Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And the one thing that they learned from playing the Nuggets,
and I think that was kind of a litmus test
for them as being a bunch of young guys playing
against the season team that's won a title.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And it seemed like the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Kind of a guy being a small market team that
they won a championship. So the Nuggets push them to
seven games, but oka See proved that hey, listen, we're
young guys. It's our turn and we can win the
close games. So for the different Nuggets than everyone else,
not just the West, but just the NBA, they just
have to change and reshape or change their mentality better
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phrase for how they look at the game, because you're
you're right, Grant. The only thing that is comparable to
what we're seeing from Okac is the Pacers, and the
Pacers don't play defense like oka See. So hopefully this offseason,
which is gonna be a big offseason for a lot
of teams, they're gonna be gonna see a lot of
teams making moves, building their teams to beat.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Okay, see, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't know that there's I don't know that there's
a formula for that. You just stock your roster with twelve.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guys that can shoot and play defense like that seems
like that seems you know that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
This seems to be the object for everybody. They got
a lot of high draft picks on that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
See just we're saying, and their scouting departments good, I mean,
okase has for the last twenty years been the league
outside of maybe San Antonio, they've been the premier scouting
department in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well see, here's the.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Thing that's great about there, with Sam Pressy and with
the thunder done is that they have built their team
from within. And Grant you're right, they did it with
a lot of draft picks that they received in trades
from Westbrook, from James Harden, from Kevin Durant, and they
went through the process. And also the head coach, yes
what I mean, he was coaching their G League team,
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so they look within their organization. Now, could this be
an example of what could be in store for the
Nuggets by them saying we would to bring back David Auteman,
could that be the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Could that happen? I like that.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I like that idea, and I think you will see.
I mean, Adamman said and is when he officially got
announced the other day that there's going to be competition
for roster spots, Like you're not. There's nothing just because
you were good a couple of years ago or last year,
you were a starter, that doesn't mean anything going in
an next year. And someone like Julian Strawther, I think
you got to jump at that opportunity, Jalen Pikett, a
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couple of those young guys, Doron Holmes coming back off
his injury.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's where I was gonna go with that next I
think there's I think there's two things that are major,
major things coming into this year. One is Doron Holmes
coming back off that injury, who was expected to be
a big part of getting Nikoliokich some rest time this season.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then the other part of that is what changes are.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You going to make because you can't come back with
the same roster and expect to and expect to get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You just can't. So you know you're probably moving on
from Michael Porter junior.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
What are you getting back in a situation if you
do something like that, you need to if you're moving him,
and when you move him, you need to get like
a two for one, right, you need to get two
guys that can three and d uh. You don't have
to be elite players, but you need to get a
pair of guys that can three and d back for
him to continue to fill out your ability to play
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because they just didn't have enough bodies down the stretch
and ran out of gas.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Well, going back to the Okay, see Thunder for a second.
Guys like Lou Dort and Alex Caruso, who you hate
if you're playing against him, but I love them if
you're on on their teams. Brown bring you know, cowboy
Bruce and he's he's expressed interest in coming, but you
know he.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
May be that may be something you look at trying
to bring back. But you need two guys like we
had them. We had KCP and we had uh, we
had Bruce Brown. And you're a viable team when you've
got a couple of a couple of those guys that
you can rotate through and see who's got the hot
hand to night. You know they can play defense. The
Nuggets are not gonna be able to compete with those
top top teams even with Jokic without having that. And
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we saw, I mean they took they took okay See
to seven games, probably should have won it in five
and six, right, but they took him.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
To seven games. But you need those guys. If you
had those guys, you win those things out right.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, the Nuggets issue is that one.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Obviously, you know they can't play defense or they don't
play it well when they need to play it, and
that's kind of not their mentality. And that was something
coach Maloll constantly preached when he was here, probably too
much to a point where it got in fire, right,
But but we all saw that this team kind of
folds down the stretch because everyone leans on the Kola Jokic,
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and when you lean on him too much, you're gonna
have problems. And going back to ok See, they got
two seven footers, right, you got Chet.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Homer, and you got hearts on right.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So now the Nuggets don't really have a backup center
because you had DeAndre Jordan. But when he came into
the game, how many minutes he's actually gonna.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Give you get four or five minutes out of me,
I said.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You got Daria sorry on the roster.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He's gonna exercise his player option just because he's got one.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, roster, we aren't gonna play Zeke Nasei. Why is
he on the team.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, that's he.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He won't be Sorish, wouldn't be except he's got a
player option that you know he's gonna exercise.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
So the Nuggets have to go out and replace a
couple of guys. You need to bring in a quality
backup center. You need to get better defensively. So this
is not going to be a patchwork thing where you
can solve it by going out getting two other All stars.
You just may have to get some guys guys who
were not All star type of guys, but they're your
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lunch pale, blue collar type guys like Dort and Crusoe.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Let me ask you guys this, because there's been a
lot of talk around town of like, well, the Nuggets
don't need to do anything because who said that many
people because they were taking.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Solace and the Thunder.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They took the Thunder to seven games, the Thunder just
to sted the loss and five Yeah, well okay, we
had Aaron Gordon hurt we had Russell.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
One game.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
See, you know, I don't know who these people are
who you're referring to.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But once again, that's a loser mentality.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Whether you can say, well, you took Okac to seven games, okay,
what did game seven look like? That looked like a
team that was totally broken down. And you could say, well,
Aaron Gordon had what the third degree, second degrees hamstring,
string and.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Portable hurt all that, but whatever, he wouldn't Russell Westbrook
with a broken hand.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It wouldn't have matter. Let's be totally honest. In game seven,
it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
And that was just the competitive nature of the Nuggets
and their experience getting them to that particular point. But
the skill level wasn't enough to get them.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Over the top.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Depth depth, So if anyone is banging the table saying, nah,
they good, I mean to hell with that, that's a
loser of mentality. And knowing as those teams are gonna
get better this this upcoming season, you can't rest on
your low.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That's the thing that got the Nuggets in trouble to
begin with. Let's be totally honest.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, they couldn't afford to because of the Aprons and everything.
They couldn't afford to keep that thing together. They had
to let cac B and Brown go get the money.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
That's their fault because you got three guys on Max deals.
You have Nicola Yokis, who balls out?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Who needs help? Jamal? Sometimes it is a sometime guy
right in PJ. Streaky, very streaky. But it was the potential.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
See see here's what I learned in my time as
a player in coaching. Potential gets you fired. And guess
who got fire Melon and booth? So what are you
going to do now? It's a lot to potential. Yep,
we had need a break.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
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Speaker 6 (16:25):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How you guys doing doing pretty well?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
For state media availability for uh for O t A's
and what were your initial impressions, sir?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Well, I don't think the Broncos are gonna lose this year.
Kidding Okay, I mean it was it was fine. You know,
I think it looked good. The thing that I think,
you know, the thing that that just struck me watching
you know, them practice and shorts and helmets in May
really was just like that. It it just feels a
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lot different. I don't know if they're going to be
a lot better, a little bit better, have the same
record he did the pointing or whatever, but I know
at this time last year there was sort of like
baited breath about everything bo Nicks did, and you're like
waiting for him to like, you know, take control of
the race for the starting job, and Courtland Sutton wasn't there,
and I'm watching them sort of just like make plays
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in rhythm like you would expect a starting NFL quarterback
and a number one receiver to do. And I was
just thinking, like, I mean, Courtland wasn't here for this
part of the offseason last year. Bo was sharing reps
and probably swimming and trying to figure it out and
get a seat under him and all that, and it
just felt more relaxed, I think in a lot of
ways because of that pairing, but obviously, like largely because
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of Bo Nicks having a good first year and going
into year two.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Parker, how is that for you?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Watching Bow in his sacid year, Like you said, I
mean you could tell that when Beaufors got here he
was swimming, even though I know Coach Bain said he
was really brilliant, which I think he is as a quarterback.
But knowing as though he's going into his second year
with this system under his belt, how do you think
that's fair for him? But also how do you think
that's going to fair for the team this season?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, well it can I mean, it can only help
the team. Obviously, you know, defensive coordinators and other teams
have the full book on him. But he also, like
you know, he also you know, Sean Payton said today
he likes that element of the you know, counter punch,
counter counter punch of defensive figuring out rookie quarterbacks and
offense is trying to you know, stay ahead. And one
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of the things that like, one of the things I've
really like come to appreciate about about bo Nix, just
like in terms of like my job, is that when
you ask him a decent question, he usually provides a
good answer. And I thought he was like really insightful
today just with simple things like he he was able
to sort of like cleanly explain the difference of last
year to this year by just saying, last year he
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was thinking about the offense, and this year might seem
like an obvious thing, but he said, this year, you know,
these days in practice, when he gets to the line
of scrimmage, he's not thinking at all about his own footwork,
about who's coming in motion, about what the routes are
and all that. He's only thinking about, you know, the
defense and trying to anticipate, and then after the snap process,
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you know what the defense is showing him, and that
like that right there, I think is largely you know,
at least from the mental side of the game like that.
I think that sort of speaks volumes just about just
about what the difference is between a first year quarterback
in a second.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, we expect those those things to pick up from
Bo as it gets easier for him and that.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But then there's the flip side of this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Now offenses are rather defense and defensive coordinators have got
a year tape on bow Nick say, they're going to
have an off season to dissect it. We've seen what
happens when people get that you know, CJ. Stroud look
like an all Pro in year one and then once
team's got a little bit of tape on him, had
an off season to dissect that offense. They sort of
picked the Texans apart last year. With regard to bo
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Nix and this offense, do we expect a step forward
or regression a little bit of both? Like what are
we expecting out of him this year?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah? I think a little bit bit of both. Then,
I mean, what's so fascinating about this is, like you
have I think he can make the argument that, like
with bo Nicks, he sort of said it today, it
had been eighteen months. And that's always part of the
case with rookies too, Right, It's like you play your
last year at college, then you go right into the
pre draft stuff and then you know you're in rookie
minute camp and camp and all the way through and
it's just a long haul. And so you know, he's
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got a little extra arrest. He was able to get healthy.
Flip side defenses are able to take him apart. Flip side.
You know, now he's got R. J. Harvey and Evan Ingram,
you know, pieces to the puzzle that Sean Payton, you know,
maybe hasn't had or definitely in Evan Ingram's case, definitely
hasn't had in Denver so far the first two years.
So they're all like you can sort of like keep
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putting cards down on the table of reasons, you know,
for potential like regression or sophomore slump or whatever you
want to call it. You can put cards on the
table that are, hey, this is why they can take
another step forward. So all of that to me suggests
like if they have a really good running game and
they're able to use you know, Harvey and Ingram in particular,
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the way that I think Sean Payton thinks they're going
to be able to that for Ten's good things. But
like at the end of the day, it all still
comes back to like how big of a jump can
Boonix take it. I Mean, I'm not doubting him, but
I just like that's just an open question at this
point on the calendar.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Now, being a former Broncos safety here and being a
productive saiviety, I look at that position with a different
set of eyes as oh, I judge and I evaluate players.
But from your standpoint, when you think about the guys
who would play here within an organization who played that position.
Now put Brandon Jones and Hofga in that role.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
How do they continue that tradition and how.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Do you expect for these guys to play collectively as
the season goes on.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, you know they're not talking about like
Nick Ferguson's here or anything, but yeah, you got it.
The uh No, I mean they're like, they're really good players,
and I think, like, I think you can see right away.
I mean, Tella know Hafana like obviously just like running around,
it looks scared. I totally agree with what tem Payton said,
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especially with safety. Safety is running backs linemen, like you
just there's only so much you're going to know about
him until the pads come on. But like as he
was talking with us today, you just get the sense
of like, oh, yeah, this is a guy you know
like and if he's healthy, he's going to be a
really good player. So obviously that's been a challenge for
him to stand on the field the last couple of years,
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but you know, that's that's one of those areas where
you know, just watching him move and then sort of
standing next to him and seeing how big he is
and all that. It's like no knock on PJ lock
at all, but you just you look at him and
you're like, oh, yeah, I see, I see why they
wanted to go out and get this guy. It's a
little bit different than it looked last year. And so
like that's what you want. And you know, PJ Locke
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is is I think probably a critical part of that
group because you know, for the most part, like PJ
played through that broken thumb last year, but when he
and Brandon Jones were on the field down the stretch,
it got a little squirrely, but like by and large,
like they were okay, it's pretty good for a good
chunk of the season, but when they got past those
two guys, it was really trouble. And so to have
three that you trust and that can play this year,
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that to me is where like you get the HAFANNGA
impact and then you also you know, you just have
the added depth potentially of those three guys instead of
banking on, you know, one of the younger guys, like
we have to have one of these guys step up
type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Talk about Parker Gabriel, Parker Gha Gabriel on the Twitter machine.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
There crowded wide receiver room, but by all accounts, de
von Vley was the apple of bo Nix's eye today.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Did we expect a.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Big leap from vle A in your two and would
that make Courtland Sutton expendable?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah? You know, we just like keep saying that, right,
Like we just keep saying, I wonder if the trademarkt
will heat up for Courtland, and no, I wonder if
this and that and like it just they just keep
not doing that. And then you know, obviously there's I
don't think I mean, at least as of you know,
a week or ten days ago, they really hadn't gotten
into the extension stuff with any of the guys that
are in line for them Missasseton. Just not that point
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on the calendar yet. But you know, yeah, I mean,
I think what's interesting then, what you're getting at, I
think is when you look at that receiver room, like
I just from here, there's always surprises, maybe a guy
gets hurt or whatever, but like there's just not a
lot of flex in it. And like that's not a
bad thing. But if you were looking at it right
now of guys that are definitely going to make the team,
you've got you know, Sutton, Mims, Vele, Franklin, Pat Bryant's
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the third round pick. That's five, that's as many as
Sean is typically kept. And then you've also got Trent
Sherfield who got two years and guaranteed money mostly for
special teams. But he's a receiver, So like who else
could possibly make the team? Now, you say that this
time of year and then you always end up surprised
by the end of August. But I just to me,
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like I'm interested in the roles. Like Sean Payton had
an interesting line today he said, he said, there's a
bunch of guys because I had some about Marvin Mims
and sort of like continuing that late season search from
last year, and he said he felt like they had
a bunch of guys who maybe weren't competing for spots
but for targets. And that's what it feels like with Mems, Franklin,
Vele and Pat Bryant. And like, I think there's like
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not a lot of mystery about how the receiver room
lines up right now, but I think there is a
lot of uncertainty about what the pecking order ultimately is.
When Week one rolls around, you know our park.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I gotta correct you on just one thing that you
were talking about the wide receivers. I noticed that you
left one guy out and that was Michael Bandy. Any reason,
I'm just I'm just joking about that. But once again,
when you look at this competition on this team, obviously
for me it goes back to the running backs that
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what is that room going to look like?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
RJ Harvey is?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I guess I don't want to say I don't want
to sub med him as RB one, but it'd be
hard to not do that. But what is the carries,
you know, remain for a guy like audreck estimate?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Does he still fit into this offense?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yeah? I think he does for sure. I mean, I like,
I hate to use the comparison because I'm not I
don't mean it. I mean it more from like a
body type and skill set perspective than like you know,
production level or TENN level and all that at this point,
but like the mark ingram Alvin Kamara like that kind
of like you can see the corollary there with SMA
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and and RJ. Harvey. I mean, like just from a
body type and potential role perspective, even if the production
obviously there's a lot of uncertainty like here with how
those young guys are gonna fare. I think if you
were like penciling out a room, the cleanest way to
do it is Harvey is the top guy with estimate
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is sort of like the power back that pairs with him,
and then basically like mcgloughlin versus the Day versus Blake
Watson or the third kind of you know, third back,
change of pace type of thing. But like it doesn't
always work out that way, right, Like if Delil McLoughlin
is just consistently better day in and day out than
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Rodrick estime, then like they're not just going to say, like, well,
but Sma is our power back, so he's gonna, you know,
get one hundred and eighty carries this year, So there's
there's carries that be had in that room. I tend
to agree with you already. I mean, Harvey just like
every indication so far is that they like where he's
at and all that. So to me, it's like the
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cleanest way is Harvey an estima with third back to
be determined. But there's a long way to go in
that competition. And I would bet you that Julio mcglow all.
Three of those other guys will have something to say
about that before camps out.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Kylin Parker, Gabriel the dever pot.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Sticking with the running back room, there has it been
anybody with a bigger turnaround in perceived fortunes than Audric Estime,
given that he was benched for the Buffalo game as
a healthy scratch. In this offseason, a lot of speculation
about the type of running back the Broncos would bring in,
but they didn't bring in somebody that kind of feels
that niche that he has. Nick Chubb's still out there
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the potential ad. But as we look at this thing,
are we confident with Audric Estime as RB two in
this in this setup?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I mean, you know, listening to Sean Payton today, I
mean he said he was like, you know, I don't
exactly want to give Audric Estaman in complete for last year,
but he just he's like, he said, I don't He's
one of those guys that needs a.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Certain number of carries.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
And then he just latly said like he's going to
get those opportunities. That sounds like a coach who's you know,
committed to at least finding out now, you know, we'll
see that sometimes he had a veteran you know guy
in August, especially in the back. We saw Latavious Murray
in twenty twenty two show up what season and almost
immediately be like the sort of the guy who got
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the most touches in that room. So, like, you know,
could they get halfway through camp and decide they're not
quite so sure? Yeah, I mean that that could happen.
But at this point, like you know, you're talking about
about letting the young guys try to sort it out,
and I don't see anything wrong with taking that approach
until the moment where you decide, you know what, we've
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seen a lot of this in August, and we actually
think we might need something else.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, this time of the year is often considered to
be voluntary, but for me, I always looked at it
as voluntary mandatory. So John Franklin Meyers wasn't there today.
I know he's looking for a contract extension. Can we
read into this or this is just hey, the team
and the guy understands, okay, well he has outside things
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going on.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Is there more to it than just that?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah, it's a little bit of both. With John Franklin Myers.
I think, you know, he's obviously like he hasn't been
about you know, on social media indicating that he wants
a new deal and all that. He also like I
saw some people say like he's never done OTAs. I
mean that's not true. Like he he's done for sure
the third week of OTAs. You know last year in Denver,
he was here for the last week of OTAs and
then Mini camp. His agent Cliff Brady said it wasn't
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contract related. You know, part of it was while he's
training in Texas with BT Jordan. Well, I mean BT
Jordan was at Bronco's OTAs today like coaching with the Broncos.
So it's not just about training on his own. But
he's a guy who he's one of those guys that
hasn't always been you know, at OTAs all the way
through sort of like consistently throughout his career. And you know,
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he's got he's going into a contract year and he
he might not be thrilled that he hasn't gotten a
new deal in Denver, but he's young enough and he's
talented enough that he's playing this fall for a whole
lot of money. So I mean, I don't think. I
don't think you're talking about like hold out. His agent
today told us that he'll be there for minie camp
and all that, so you know, is it a little
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bit contract related? I mean it could be, but you know,
he's got a lot of reasons to play really well
this fall, and I don't think it's really too much
to worry about.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, Parker, we're gonna put you on the line here.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who do you think is going to be the biggest
surprise to come out of training camp for Broncos fans?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Oh? Man, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Who is going to be the most Obviously, after one
day in shorts, you should be able to answer.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
This very question.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I mean, Jeremy Croushaw was booming the ball today, so
maybe it'll be No, I'm kidding, I man, Yeah, you
put me on the spot. I think. I mean, I
don't know if it's going to be like down in
and down out. Like obviously they're hoping Dre green Law
and and Alex Singleton are healthy and full go and
all that stuff in training camp, but like I think
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one of the undrafted rookies will make the team an
inside linebacker, and I think I'm just fascinated by the
Drew Sanders thing. I don't quite know what to make
of it at this point, but like one way or another,
when Week one rolls around, he's either going to be
like really involved in the defensive game plan or he's
gonna be a special teams guy. And this is the
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year for him where it's sort of like, you know,
were you a good third round pick or not? And
I'm I think he's got a chance to be a
good one and a pressure player, and Sean says and
all that, but like so I'll take him. He'll be
a surprise. I just don't hope it's gonna be a
good one or a bad one when September rolls around.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Love it never was surprised when you're on Always have fun,
Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Gabriel on Twitter. Appreciate it, Parker.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Oh yeah, see you guys.
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's taking his listeners for granted, Okay, especially Ben I
would do fair enough. Oh my goodness. Let's see what
do we have. Last night, the uh okay see Thunder
put an epic beat down on the Wolves, who didn't
show up for the first quarter of that game. Tried
(00:54):
to make it a game later and it was not happening.
But scored nine points in the first order. Nine points in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The first quarter against OKAC.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Nine points in the first quarter wouldn't be okay against
the Charlotte Hornets. They wouldn't be okay against the New
Orleans Pelicans. It's certainly not gonna be good enough against
the OKAC Thunder. The Wolves have got to find a
third scoring option that is reliable, because all their third
options were not were nowhere to be found last night.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
That was a very talented roster that Tim Conley put together,
but just I mean for the sake of the game
against OKAC, they just couldn't get it together. And Julius Randall,
who had a great run to close out the regular season,
he was kind of a no show in several games.
So Anthony Edwards was pretty much out there by himself
because you can't expect to get any type of offensive
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production for Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean, obviously for if you are.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You could expect it, and you're gonna be sorely disappointed
if you do.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yes, obviously you are, and you gotta tip your cat
to Oka. See, they did a great.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Job defensively forcing ant Man to really be perfect bringing
the ball up to court. Now, they did something that
I felt as that was extraordinary and I wish that
more teams in the NBA would do it, but you
don't typically see it. You see it more on the
collegiate level, where they pressured the ball being inbound and
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they harassed the guy bringing the ball of court.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And that's what they did to Anthony ra was they were.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Throwing multiple guys at him, and then they did a
great job handling the switches and being able to get
back to the open shooter. So that was one of
those things that they did well that was really impressive.
And I mean, I don't know who's gonna win the
series between the Knicks and the Pacers, but this is
the year for ok See.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Randall led the Wolves and scoring with twenty four points.
One of the games he did show up for, Edwards
had nineteen, but it was an off shooting night, including
one e step from Downtown. The other three starters for
the Wolves combined for seven points. Jade McDaniels, Rudy Gobert,
and Mike Conley combined for seven points.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think Mike Conley finally looks a little old and
slow when you're going up against all those young guys.
For Okaysey, you know, I've been a huge fan of
his for years, but.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
You're always looking like now, Chris Paul, Yes, like like
really in the last two years.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, yeah, look really slow.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
But the one thing I'll say about Okac because I
feel is though, when this win, they start of put
the entire NBA on notice.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And here's why. You have a bunch of young players.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I think their average age is about twenty four years
old for second in the league. And you have a
bunch of guys who they don't care about who gets
the headlines. And the one thing that's really impressive to
me is like, no matter who balled out that particular game,
when when that person is standing there being interviewed by
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ESPN and whomever, the holes squad is lined up behind
them and there's a lot of support. And the biggest
thing for me, there are no egos. There's no egos
in the world. We're talking about NBA basketball, where guys
get paid an absorbed amount of money, but.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
This team has no egos.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That starts with SGA, don't you think, like he seems
like a very humble superstar and.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Guess what, he's Canadian.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What does that have to do. There's an American arrogance, real.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Anthony Edwards personality versus SGO.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
That's just the upposite.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Like if you've ever been to another country, you sort
of get the joke here. But like the way that
Americans are portrayed on television in every other country that
versus how we're portrayed like we're the hero in the movies.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Here, we're the.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Fat, funny guy in like you know, we're the fat buffoons.
And everybody else's TV shows, you know, with like unbridled
arrogance and you know, and and obese and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But there's something to that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I mean, you know, he there is something that ego
lists because you sort of need it for a team
like that, and the way that they the way that
they do things you don't you know, SGA is supreme intelligence.
So he's gonna get his United a night out. Just
for the rest of those guys, It's it's really about Hey,
as long as my team's winning games, I don't care
if I'm hitting home run. But as long as my
teams winning games some nights, I'm gonna be the hero.
Some Knights, it's gonna be Isaiah Joe, some Knights, it's
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gonna be Caruso some night. You know, the secondary and third,
they just have guys that can shoot and play defense.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
But this is another way that they're reshaping the NBA
because you look at every sport as a team sport.
Basketball is considered, oh, the ultimate team sport. But I
don't believe that there's a team out there in association
right now that plays team ball the way Okay see
play because once again I go back to no egos.
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Caruso has been successful in the series and the series
against the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
He's a great cheerleader, right, and he gets his hands
and active players to get the ball out in transition
and they can score and the defense is relentless.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I said here maybe about two.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Weeks ago in the Sports too, when I tried to
tell Dave and Ryan because there were some issues about
how OKC was playing defense against Nicola Jokis and the
Dinver Nuggets, how it was a little unfair.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm like, when you've been playing defense.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Like that in the entire season, you're gonna get those
calls or you're not gonna get calls called against you
because that's your innate nature. So you have a young
team that they are unselfish, play, they play for one another,
they know their roles right, and they embrace their wrongs.
That's a threat in the in the NBA because how
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many teams out there that you can name and text line.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You jump in on this.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
As well, that you know you have eight guys on
your roster who are great two way players.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, I would say that the Pacers, who they may
see in the finals, are the closest to it in
the league. Like they don't care the ball, they play defense,
they run and gun, they don't care who gets the credit.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I would say the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, I think the Pacers are that team. Boston's gonna
have to blow theirs up. They've just got too many contracts.
They're gonna have to blow theirs up. I think they
were Cleveland just kind of you know, it's kind of
on the cusp of that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There's there's a few teams out there. I think that
that sort of fit that mold. I think, you know,
I think.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They're not too many teams that play team ball.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right like this, Like and I think the Nuggets play
team ball. They don't play defense, Like I don't play defense?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
What a minute? That's part of playing team ball, is it?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Not?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
You have to play defense? Not not when your coach
yells at you or you get blown up by thirty.
Now you want to huff and puff and then you
want to go out there and play defense. That's not
who the Nuggets are.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And that's one thing that always shows up the defense.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
The defense, and that's what okay, see became like you
you were joking, jokingly talking about the twenty six and
twenty fords into nine first quarters? How do they do that?
They forced turnovers? Yeah, they did a great job before.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's a combination of the fact that Minnesota has two
guys that are reliable scorers at one point five really
and that's and that's and then the way that they
play defense.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, so he plays smothering.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They're all lengthy guys, they all put hands in the lane,
they're disruptive, they bat the tip passes, and they continue
to go after and tip passes until they got turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And it pays dividends for them. You know, that effort.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The fact I think that they can play that style
of basketball because they really do run eleven twelve deep.
I mean, you've got guys that are ten to eleven
to the best guys like Isaiah Joe, there are ten
to eleven on that bench. They could come in there
and knock down threes and play defense.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The other Jalen Williams who won't play at all one game, right,
and then help play twenty five minutes and have ten
rebounds and ten points the next Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And the one thing that they learned from playing the Nuggets,
and I think that was kind of a litmus test
for them as being a bunch of young guys playing
against the season team that's won a title.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And it seemed like the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Kind of a guy being a small market team that
they won a championship. So the Nuggets push them to
seven games, but oka See proved that hey, listen, we're
young guys. It's our turn and we can win the
close games. So for the different Nuggets than everyone else,
not just the West, but just the NBA, they just
have to change and reshape or change their mentality better
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phrase for how they look at the game, because you're
you're right, Grant. The only thing that is comparable to
what we're seeing from Okac is the Pacers, and the
Pacers don't play defense like oka See. So hopefully this offseason,
which is gonna be a big offseason for a lot
of teams, they're gonna be gonna see a lot of
teams making moves, building their teams to beat.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Okay, see, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't know that there's I don't know that there's
a formula for that. You just stock your roster with twelve.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guys that can shoot and play defense like that seems
like that seems you know that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
This seems to be the object for everybody. They got
a lot of high draft picks on that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
See just we're saying, and their scouting departments good, I mean,
okase has for the last twenty years been the league
outside of maybe San Antonio, they've been the premier scouting
department in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well see, here's the.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Thing that's great about there, with Sam Pressy and with
the thunder done is that they have built their team
from within. And Grant you're right, they did it with
a lot of draft picks that they received in trades
from Westbrook, from James Harden, from Kevin Durant, and they
went through the process. And also the head coach, yes
what I mean, he was coaching their G League team,
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so they look within their organization. Now, could this be
an example of what could be in store for the
Nuggets by them saying we would to bring back David Auteman,
could that be the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Could that happen? I like that.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I like that idea, and I think you will see.
I mean, Adamman said and is when he officially got
announced the other day that there's going to be competition
for roster spots, Like you're not. There's nothing just because
you were good a couple of years ago or last year,
you were a starter, that doesn't mean anything going in
an next year. And someone like Julian Strawther, I think
you got to jump at that opportunity, Jalen Pikett, a
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couple of those young guys, Doron Holmes coming back off
his injury.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's where I was gonna go with that next I
think there's I think there's two things that are major,
major things coming into this year. One is Doron Holmes
coming back off that injury, who was expected to be
a big part of getting Nikoliokich some rest time this season.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then the other part of that is what changes are.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You going to make because you can't come back with
the same roster and expect to and expect to get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You just can't. So you know you're probably moving on
from Michael Porter junior.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
What are you getting back in a situation if you
do something like that, you need to if you're moving him,
and when you move him, you need to get like
a two for one, right, you need to get two
guys that can three and d uh. You don't have
to be elite players, but you need to get a
pair of guys that can three and d back for
him to continue to fill out your ability to play
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because they just didn't have enough bodies down the stretch
and ran out of gas.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Well, going back to the Okay, see Thunder for a second.
Guys like Lou Dort and Alex Caruso, who you hate
if you're playing against him, but I love them if
you're on on their teams. Brown bring you know, cowboy
Bruce and he's he's expressed interest in coming, but you
know he.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
May be that may be something you look at trying
to bring back. But you need two guys like we
had them. We had KCP and we had uh, we
had Bruce Brown. And you're a viable team when you've
got a couple of a couple of those guys that
you can rotate through and see who's got the hot
hand to night. You know they can play defense. The
Nuggets are not gonna be able to compete with those
top top teams even with Jokic without having that. And
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we saw, I mean they took they took okay See
to seven games, probably should have won it in five
and six, right, but they took him.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
To seven games. But you need those guys. If you
had those guys, you win those things out right.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, the Nuggets issue is that one.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Obviously, you know they can't play defense or they don't
play it well when they need to play it, and
that's kind of not their mentality. And that was something
coach Maloll constantly preached when he was here, probably too
much to a point where it got in fire, right,
But but we all saw that this team kind of
folds down the stretch because everyone leans on the Kola Jokic,
(13:07):
and when you lean on him too much, you're gonna
have problems. And going back to ok See, they got
two seven footers, right, you got Chet.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Homer, and you got hearts on right.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So now the Nuggets don't really have a backup center
because you had DeAndre Jordan. But when he came into
the game, how many minutes he's actually gonna.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Give you get four or five minutes out of me,
I said.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You got Daria sorry on the roster.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He's gonna exercise his player option just because he's got one.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, roster, we aren't gonna play Zeke Nasei. Why is
he on the team.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, that's he.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He won't be Sorish, wouldn't be except he's got a
player option that you know he's gonna exercise.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
So the Nuggets have to go out and replace a
couple of guys. You need to bring in a quality
backup center. You need to get better defensively. So this
is not going to be a patchwork thing where you
can solve it by going out getting two other All stars.
You just may have to get some guys guys who
were not All star type of guys, but they're your
(14:04):
lunch pale, blue collar type guys like Dort and Crusoe.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Let me ask you guys this, because there's been a
lot of talk around town of like, well, the Nuggets
don't need to do anything because who said that many
people because they were taking.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Solace and the Thunder.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They took the Thunder to seven games, the Thunder just
to sted the loss and five Yeah, well okay, we
had Aaron Gordon hurt we had Russell.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
One game.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
See, you know, I don't know who these people are
who you're referring to.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But once again, that's a loser mentality.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Whether you can say, well, you took Okac to seven games, okay,
what did game seven look like? That looked like a
team that was totally broken down. And you could say, well,
Aaron Gordon had what the third degree, second degrees hamstring,
string and.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Portable hurt all that, but whatever, he wouldn't Russell Westbrook
with a broken hand.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It wouldn't have matter. Let's be totally honest. In game seven,
it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
And that was just the competitive nature of the Nuggets
and their experience getting them to that particular point. But
the skill level wasn't enough to get them.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Over the top.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Depth depth, So if anyone is banging the table saying, nah,
they good, I mean to hell with that, that's a
loser of mentality. And knowing as those teams are gonna
get better this this upcoming season, you can't rest on
your low.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That's the thing that got the Nuggets in trouble to
begin with. Let's be totally honest.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, they couldn't afford to because of the Aprons and everything.
They couldn't afford to keep that thing together. They had
to let cac B and Brown go get the money.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
That's their fault because you got three guys on Max deals.
You have Nicola Yokis, who balls out?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Who needs help? Jamal? Sometimes it is a sometime guy
right in PJ. Streaky, very streaky. But it was the potential.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
See see here's what I learned in my time as
a player in coaching. Potential gets you fired. And guess
who got fire Melon and booth? So what are you
going to do now? It's a lot to potential. Yep,
we had need a break.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Parker Gables Gonna Joys talk about OT day Broncos cuntry
like KA.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Is the text line.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
We're gonna go right out to the KA counture a
hotline though, and bring on Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Gabriel on Twitter. Parker, how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How you guys doing doing pretty well?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
For state media availability for uh for O t A's
and what were your initial impressions, sir?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Well, I don't think the Broncos are gonna lose this year.
Kidding Okay, I mean it was it was fine. You know,
I think it looked good. The thing that I think,
you know, the thing that that just struck me watching
you know, them practice and shorts and helmets in May
really was just like that. It it just feels a
(16:55):
lot different. I don't know if they're going to be
a lot better, a little bit better, have the same
record he did the pointing or whatever, but I know
at this time last year there was sort of like
baited breath about everything bo Nicks did, and you're like
waiting for him to like, you know, take control of
the race for the starting job, and Courtland Sutton wasn't there,
and I'm watching them sort of just like make plays
(17:18):
in rhythm like you would expect a starting NFL quarterback
and a number one receiver to do. And I was
just thinking, like, I mean, Courtland wasn't here for this
part of the offseason last year. Bo was sharing reps
and probably swimming and trying to figure it out and
get a seat under him and all that, and it
just felt more relaxed, I think in a lot of
ways because of that pairing, but obviously, like largely because
(17:44):
of Bo Nicks having a good first year and going
into year two.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Parker, how is that for you?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Watching Bow in his sacid year, Like you said, I
mean you could tell that when Beaufors got here he
was swimming, even though I know Coach Bain said he
was really brilliant, which I think he is as a quarterback.
But knowing as though he's going into his second year
with this system under his belt, how do you think
that's fair for him? But also how do you think
that's going to fair for the team this season?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, well it can I mean, it can only help
the team. Obviously, you know, defensive coordinators and other teams
have the full book on him. But he also, like
you know, he also you know, Sean Payton said today
he likes that element of the you know, counter punch,
counter counter punch of defensive figuring out rookie quarterbacks and
offense is trying to you know, stay ahead. And one
(18:32):
of the things that like, one of the things I've
really like come to appreciate about about bo Nix, just
like in terms of like my job, is that when
you ask him a decent question, he usually provides a
good answer. And I thought he was like really insightful
today just with simple things like he he was able
to sort of like cleanly explain the difference of last
year to this year by just saying, last year he
(18:54):
was thinking about the offense, and this year might seem
like an obvious thing, but he said, this year, you know,
these days in practice, when he gets to the line
of scrimmage, he's not thinking at all about his own footwork,
about who's coming in motion, about what the routes are
and all that. He's only thinking about, you know, the
defense and trying to anticipate, and then after the snap process,
(19:14):
you know what the defense is showing him, and that
like that right there, I think is largely you know,
at least from the mental side of the game like that.
I think that sort of speaks volumes just about just
about what the difference is between a first year quarterback
in a second.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, we expect those those things to pick up from
Bo as it gets easier for him and that.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But then there's the flip side of this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Now offenses are rather defense and defensive coordinators have got
a year tape on bow Nick say, they're going to
have an off season to dissect it. We've seen what
happens when people get that you know, CJ. Stroud look
like an all Pro in year one and then once
team's got a little bit of tape on him, had
an off season to dissect that offense. They sort of
picked the Texans apart last year. With regard to bo
(20:00):
Nix and this offense, do we expect a step forward
or regression a little bit of both? Like what are
we expecting out of him this year?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah? I think a little bit bit of both. Then,
I mean, what's so fascinating about this is, like you
have I think he can make the argument that, like
with bo Nicks, he sort of said it today, it
had been eighteen months. And that's always part of the
case with rookies too, Right, It's like you play your
last year at college, then you go right into the
pre draft stuff and then you know you're in rookie
minute camp and camp and all the way through and
it's just a long haul. And so you know, he's
(20:29):
got a little extra arrest. He was able to get healthy.
Flip side defenses are able to take him apart. Flip side.
You know, now he's got R. J. Harvey and Evan Ingram,
you know, pieces to the puzzle that Sean Payton, you know,
maybe hasn't had or definitely in Evan Ingram's case, definitely
hasn't had in Denver so far the first two years.
So they're all like you can sort of like keep
(20:50):
putting cards down on the table of reasons, you know,
for potential like regression or sophomore slump or whatever you
want to call it. You can put cards on the
table that are, hey, this is why they can take
another step forward. So all of that to me suggests
like if they have a really good running game and
they're able to use you know, Harvey and Ingram in particular,
(21:12):
the way that I think Sean Payton thinks they're going
to be able to that for Ten's good things. But
like at the end of the day, it all still
comes back to like how big of a jump can
Boonix take it. I Mean, I'm not doubting him, but
I just like that's just an open question at this
point on the calendar.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Now, being a former Broncos safety here and being a
productive saiviety, I look at that position with a different
set of eyes as oh, I judge and I evaluate players.
But from your standpoint, when you think about the guys
who would play here within an organization who played that position.
Now put Brandon Jones and Hofga in that role.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
How do they continue that tradition and how.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Do you expect for these guys to play collectively as
the season goes on.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, you know they're not talking about like
Nick Ferguson's here or anything, but yeah, you got it.
The uh No, I mean they're like, they're really good players,
and I think, like, I think you can see right away.
I mean, Tella know Hafana like obviously just like running around,
it looks scared. I totally agree with what tem Payton said,
(22:18):
especially with safety. Safety is running backs linemen, like you
just there's only so much you're going to know about
him until the pads come on. But like as he
was talking with us today, you just get the sense
of like, oh, yeah, this is a guy you know
like and if he's healthy, he's going to be a
really good player. So obviously that's been a challenge for
him to stand on the field the last couple of years,
(22:39):
but you know, that's that's one of those areas where
you know, just watching him move and then sort of
standing next to him and seeing how big he is
and all that. It's like no knock on PJ lock
at all, but you just you look at him and
you're like, oh, yeah, I see, I see why they
wanted to go out and get this guy. It's a
little bit different than it looked last year. And so
like that's what you want. And you know, PJ Locke
(23:03):
is is I think probably a critical part of that
group because you know, for the most part, like PJ
played through that broken thumb last year, but when he
and Brandon Jones were on the field down the stretch,
it got a little squirrely, but like by and large,
like they were okay, it's pretty good for a good
chunk of the season, but when they got past those
two guys, it was really trouble. And so to have
three that you trust and that can play this year,
(23:26):
that to me is where like you get the HAFANNGA
impact and then you also you know, you just have
the added depth potentially of those three guys instead of
banking on, you know, one of the younger guys, like
we have to have one of these guys step up
type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Talk about Parker Gabriel, Parker Gha Gabriel on the Twitter machine.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
There crowded wide receiver room, but by all accounts, de
von Vley was the apple of bo Nix's eye today.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Did we expect a.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Big leap from vle A in your two and would
that make Courtland Sutton expendable?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah? You know, we just like keep saying that, right,
Like we just keep saying, I wonder if the trademarkt
will heat up for Courtland, and no, I wonder if
this and that and like it just they just keep
not doing that. And then you know, obviously there's I
don't think I mean, at least as of you know,
a week or ten days ago, they really hadn't gotten
into the extension stuff with any of the guys that
are in line for them Missasseton. Just not that point
(24:21):
on the calendar yet. But you know, yeah, I mean,
I think what's interesting then, what you're getting at, I
think is when you look at that receiver room, like
I just from here, there's always surprises, maybe a guy
gets hurt or whatever, but like there's just not a
lot of flex in it. And like that's not a
bad thing. But if you were looking at it right
now of guys that are definitely going to make the team,
you've got you know, Sutton, Mims, Vele, Franklin, Pat Bryant's
(24:46):
the third round pick. That's five, that's as many as
Sean is typically kept. And then you've also got Trent
Sherfield who got two years and guaranteed money mostly for
special teams. But he's a receiver, So like who else
could possibly make the team? Now, you say that this
time of year and then you always end up surprised
by the end of August. But I just to me,
(25:08):
like I'm interested in the roles. Like Sean Payton had
an interesting line today he said, he said, there's a
bunch of guys because I had some about Marvin Mims
and sort of like continuing that late season search from
last year, and he said he felt like they had
a bunch of guys who maybe weren't competing for spots
but for targets. And that's what it feels like with Mems, Franklin,
Vele and Pat Bryant. And like, I think there's like
(25:32):
not a lot of mystery about how the receiver room
lines up right now, but I think there is a
lot of uncertainty about what the pecking order ultimately is.
When Week one rolls around, you know our park.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I gotta correct you on just one thing that you
were talking about the wide receivers. I noticed that you
left one guy out and that was Michael Bandy. Any reason,
I'm just I'm just joking about that. But once again,
when you look at this competition on this team, obviously
for me it goes back to the running backs that
(26:04):
what is that room going to look like?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
RJ Harvey is?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I guess I don't want to say I don't want
to sub med him as RB one, but it'd be
hard to not do that. But what is the carries,
you know, remain for a guy like audreck estimate?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Does he still fit into this offense?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yeah? I think he does for sure. I mean, I like,
I hate to use the comparison because I'm not I
don't mean it. I mean it more from like a
body type and skill set perspective than like you know,
production level or TENN level and all that at this point,
but like the mark ingram Alvin Kamara like that kind
of like you can see the corollary there with SMA
(26:43):
and and RJ. Harvey. I mean, like just from a
body type and potential role perspective, even if the production
obviously there's a lot of uncertainty like here with how
those young guys are gonna fare. I think if you
were like penciling out a room, the cleanest way to
do it is Harvey is the top guy with estimate
(27:05):
is sort of like the power back that pairs with him,
and then basically like mcgloughlin versus the Day versus Blake
Watson or the third kind of you know, third back,
change of pace type of thing. But like it doesn't
always work out that way, right, Like if Delil McLoughlin
is just consistently better day in and day out than
(27:25):
Rodrick estime, then like they're not just going to say, like, well,
but Sma is our power back, so he's gonna, you know,
get one hundred and eighty carries this year, So there's
there's carries that be had in that room. I tend
to agree with you already. I mean, Harvey just like
every indication so far is that they like where he's
at and all that. So to me, it's like the
(27:45):
cleanest way is Harvey an estima with third back to
be determined. But there's a long way to go in
that competition. And I would bet you that Julio mcglow all.
Three of those other guys will have something to say
about that before camps out.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Kylin Parker, Gabriel the dever pot.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Sticking with the running back room, there has it been
anybody with a bigger turnaround in perceived fortunes than Audric Estime,
given that he was benched for the Buffalo game as
a healthy scratch. In this offseason, a lot of speculation
about the type of running back the Broncos would bring in,
but they didn't bring in somebody that kind of feels
that niche that he has. Nick Chubb's still out there
(28:22):
the potential ad. But as we look at this thing,
are we confident with Audric Estime as RB two in
this in this setup?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I mean, you know, listening to Sean Payton today, I
mean he said he was like, you know, I don't
exactly want to give Audric Estaman in complete for last year,
but he just he's like, he said, I don't He's
one of those guys that needs a.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Certain number of carries.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
And then he just latly said like he's going to
get those opportunities. That sounds like a coach who's you know,
committed to at least finding out now, you know, we'll
see that sometimes he had a veteran you know guy
in August, especially in the back. We saw Latavious Murray
in twenty twenty two show up what season and almost
immediately be like the sort of the guy who got
(29:04):
the most touches in that room. So, like, you know,
could they get halfway through camp and decide they're not
quite so sure? Yeah, I mean that that could happen.
But at this point, like you know, you're talking about
about letting the young guys try to sort it out,
and I don't see anything wrong with taking that approach
until the moment where you decide, you know what, we've
(29:28):
seen a lot of this in August, and we actually
think we might need something else.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, this time of the year is often considered to
be voluntary, but for me, I always looked at it
as voluntary mandatory. So John Franklin Meyers wasn't there today.
I know he's looking for a contract extension. Can we
read into this or this is just hey, the team
and the guy understands, okay, well he has outside things
(29:52):
going on.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Is there more to it than just that?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah, it's a little bit of both. With John Franklin Myers.
I think, you know, he's obviously like he hasn't been
about you know, on social media indicating that he wants
a new deal and all that. He also like I
saw some people say like he's never done OTAs. I
mean that's not true. Like he he's done for sure
the third week of OTAs. You know last year in Denver,
he was here for the last week of OTAs and
then Mini camp. His agent Cliff Brady said it wasn't
(30:18):
contract related. You know, part of it was while he's
training in Texas with BT Jordan. Well, I mean BT
Jordan was at Bronco's OTAs today like coaching with the Broncos.
So it's not just about training on his own. But
he's a guy who he's one of those guys that
hasn't always been you know, at OTAs all the way
through sort of like consistently throughout his career. And you know,
(30:42):
he's got he's going into a contract year and he
he might not be thrilled that he hasn't gotten a
new deal in Denver, but he's young enough and he's
talented enough that he's playing this fall for a whole
lot of money. So I mean, I don't think. I
don't think you're talking about like hold out. His agent
today told us that he'll be there for minie camp
and all that, so you know, is it a little
(31:03):
bit contract related? I mean it could be, but you know,
he's got a lot of reasons to play really well
this fall, and I don't think it's really too much
to worry about.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, Parker, we're gonna put you on the line here.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who do you think is going to be the biggest
surprise to come out of training camp for Broncos fans?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Oh? Man, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Who is going to be the most Obviously, after one
day in shorts, you should be able to answer.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
This very question.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I mean, Jeremy Croushaw was booming the ball today, so
maybe it'll be No, I'm kidding, I man, Yeah, you
put me on the spot. I think. I mean, I
don't know if it's going to be like down in
and down out. Like obviously they're hoping Dre green Law
and and Alex Singleton are healthy and full go and
all that stuff in training camp, but like I think
(31:50):
one of the undrafted rookies will make the team an
inside linebacker, and I think I'm just fascinated by the
Drew Sanders thing. I don't quite know what to make
of it at this point, but like one way or another,
when Week one rolls around, he's either going to be
like really involved in the defensive game plan or he's
gonna be a special teams guy. And this is the
(32:12):
year for him where it's sort of like, you know,
were you a good third round pick or not? And
I'm I think he's got a chance to be a
good one and a pressure player, and Sean says and
all that, but like so I'll take him. He'll be
a surprise. I just don't hope it's gonna be a
good one or a bad one when September rolls around.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Love it never was surprised when you're on Always have fun,
Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Gabriel on Twitter. Appreciate it, Parker.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Oh yeah, see you guys.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yep, Broncos Country tonight when we come back. Let's talk
a little bit about Stefan Diggs. He was on a
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