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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Post Rockies edition, Rocky's taken on the San Francisco Giants
and we've got the og Ryan Edwards in the house.
What's going on, brother? I'm good man, how are you?
I'm doing pretty well, hot and sweaty from uh watching
watching mandatory mini camp, which you know there will mandatorily
be another.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Body there tomorrow. That's that's correct. We found out literally
in the waning moments of practice that JK. Dobbins is
signing a one year, five point two five million dollar
contract with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Pretty good stuff. What are your initials thoughts on this backfield?
And I say that since RJJK, Yeah, he's do what
he did there? Yeah, No, I mean I love it.
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know, we saw it said for a while that
you'd like to raise the floor of the running back room.
He's going to have a role, He's going to have
a significant role. And honestly, it was the one position
I think a lot of people pointed to and we
talked about inside linebacker. But it's not like they haven't
addressed inside linebacker. They have addressed inside linebacker. But it
is the one position where you drafted a guy and
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then you largely just had most of your room coming
back with the exception of Davante, and it felt like
it was in an incomplete room. To be honest, I mean,
maybe some of these guys pop You're basing a lot
of your assessment of the room until this move on projection,
and unfortunately you just you just needed more and so
fortunately you've got on the other side of that. George
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Peyton and Sean Payton, they recognized that and got the
deal done, and I think for five point two five million,
which by the way, I think is tied with Najee
Harris's deal on a one year is very telling on
what kind of role or what kind of expectations they
have for him here. This is not a proven deal
like he was with the Chargers last year where he's
surprised people. This is you have a carved out role
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with this team. Yeah, I think the one thing, I mean,
one year deal. I still believe a one year deal
would still sort of be a prove it deal in
a sense. I mean, but obviously with the amount of
money attached to it, you know there is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
There is a role for it. Is there any concern
about the fact that Dobbins started so hot last year.
I mean, I mean just incredibly hot. Those first two
games he had an insane amount of yardage, and then
after that it was kind of you know, averaging three
point a to carry that kind of stuff. Now, in
his defense, on that he was kind of the only
back that they really had because the gust bus wasn't
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running and all that kind of stuff. So, you know,
maybe in a more contained role this year, the high
production of the early season doesn't grind him down very quickly,
and he's still able to maintain that. I think the
thing about it, this is an all purpose back. He
blocks well, he catches well, he obviously runs well. I'm
excited by this. I mean, obviously we've been talking about
this for quite some time, but it's final. They come
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to fruition, and I think Sean didn't want to talk
about it today at all, which is fine. I am
sure we'll get into it a little bit more with
him tomorrow. In fact, I hope we get to see
JK out there in the practice field for the second
day of mandatory mini camp. But I don't I'm starting
to not think this is bad news for Jualiel. You know,
initially my thought was this, this move when it does happen,
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will be a tough deal for Julil McLoughlin. Now again
we're talking on June tenth. Things can change. But watching
Jaliel out there in the role that he is carved
out in the offense, and again it's it's so hard
to read into who's running with who right because and
I can't tip my hand too much on what we
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saw because that they won't let us.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But I don't know, man, the way JK. Dobbins plays
that is that is more of an odrict estimate issue.
Like odric estimate, I think is the guy that I
would worry about if I'm on this roster right now.
It's certainly tyler to Beday. But I think they're gonna
try to hide and stash.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, you put him on the practice squad, which anymore,
I mean, you don't have to stash guys. He just
put him on the practice squad. You have to call
ups and all that kind of stuff. Maybe, I mean,
you know, Jilliel, he has the short area quicks. The
long speed is still obviously insufficient. We I was standing
there watching a run that he did. It was off
the left side. I can't remember for the swing pass
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now or if it was a run. I think it
was a swing pass actually, but he took off all
the way and pats are ten caught in from behind
with a bad angle from across the field. You know.
It's one of those things. And not that that's any
slaps me and Patterton is very fast human being, but
you know, I mean, if you are that type of
running back who's got that fourth gear, you know what
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
About, the home rule, get up a little bit, so,
I mean to your to your point, yes, I mean
that he's on here for his straight line speed and
his quicks right, and this is.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
His selling point. I mean, that's that's what he is.
But he's north, you know, like he he hits top
speed pretty quick, but the top speed is not you know,
his top speed sixty five. He can't get into that
eighty ninety mile an hour, you know what I'm talking about.
And I say sixty slow because he didn't think would
catch him. I don't really know, but yeah, you know
that before he sees one of those guys that like
it lacks the like elite elite long speed for a
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guy his size. That's and that's one of those things
you saw. It was it this Tampa game where he
was racing to the corner and almost got caught. Remember
you got that touchdown and I remember he almost got
caught by that lot out of position line back. Yeah,
And that's one of those things like I don't wrong,
love him, love the story and all that kind of stuff,
but there's also a reason that you know he was
where he was and when undrafted and those kinds of things,
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and it's the measurables. Those those things do ultimately matter,
and you can Julie has proven he can play in
this league. But those things do ultimately matter in the
sense of, you know, once you start looking at target
shares or touch shares and things like that, it starts
adding up. I think that people who have been drafting R. J.
Harvey in these early fantasy drafts, I think that Stock
takes a little bit of a hit here because I
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think he eats into as you were talking about, were
talking about estimate in McLoughlin, I think he eats into
a lot of Harvey stuff too. I mean, they're they're
interchangeable backs in a lot of ways. Dobbin's a better
pass protector, which he should be. It was a little
bit bigger, little runs, a little more authority. But they're
sort of interchangeable guys, and I think that's what they wanted,
like getting those guys out there. You put one or
the other on the field. Now all of a sudden,
you don't necessarily know what you're doing. You're not tipping
your hand, whereas you had archetypes, when you had Estima
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and Harvey and McLoughlin, and you kind of based on
who is out there, you were gonna know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Right then this, this again raises the floor of the
room overall. I just to say with Jalil, I I'm
a slow I'm gonna slow down a little bit on
my I think this is bad news and he's going
to be the guy that's going to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Out as a result of this.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But but you do say one thing, and I think
it's an important thing that we noted last year, is
that when he was on the field, you were tipping
your hand at times to what you were going to
be running. And that's something that's got to change right away.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Unless you're running two back sets, unless you're you find
a way to, you know, use him as like a
jet back and do the little bump passes or running
gun you know, gun split back where you've got you know,
both guys, and you are tipping your hand when he's
out there. Was the same thing with Phil Lindsay, when
you had Phil out there, you know, you were tipping
your hand on what you were doing. You knew they
were running the ball because he wasn't pass protecting and
he didn't really catch that well, so you kind of
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knew what you were doing. And so that's one of
those things to get again. And I think they finally
got their veteran voice in the room. We've we've been
talking about that again. We've been talking about this for
a while, but getting that veteran voice in the room.
I think they like to have a veteran voice in
each you know, in each room, and they've got one
now in the running back room. I think uh Dobbins
is an upgrade off Chiavante. Uh oh, absolutely, you know.
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I mean he's always ut last year, if nothing else well,
and both of them came back from same injury. Chavante's
further along in the comeback to that agin now he
came back from another acl you know, on top of that.
But but you know, Dobbins is a guy, is a
work a worker, guy who's worked his way back from
severe injury multiple times. And so that's something to I mean, again,
on the one hand, there's the injury prone thing, but
on the other hand, you've seen a guy who's seen it,
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done it, and you know what, you know, you have
a sort of known commodity. I think the other thing
that we're not really talking about here that is inherently
valuable is his knowledge of the offense and defense of
someone else in the division. You know, the Charters, the newest,
the newcomer to the vision. Well, I say, the new cover.
It was the newcomer last year. Now it's of course
the Raiders. But and so I think there is an
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inherent value in that too. Now you can start gameplay,
you've got to win. Look at this schedule, so you've
got to win those Chargers games. You've got to win
division games this year. I mean, it's it's a tough
schedule this year. That's what happens. When you win games,
you get a tougher schedule. So, you know, I think
having Dobbins here helps out in that regard too.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well. I mean, of course it doesn't hurt, right. I
know the team's coaches specifically will often downplay that the
knowledge you get, the institutional knowledge you get from players
that were on former teams. But there's got to be
something to that. And he obviously had some success. They
had success against the Broncos. They beat them both twice
last year. So you've got at least split to your
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point with the Chargers, And yeah, you've got to have
if your mindset is the AFC West, you got to
have your eye on possibly taking both. You know, the
Chargers have an interesting start to the season because they
are playing the Chiefs in opening weekend, right, They're going
to do that in South Pallo. Then they got the
Raiders in week two, and then they got the Broncos
in week three. They got division games right up the
top of the first three games. So it's going to
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be fascinating to see where they're at when these two
teams see each other in week three.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, I
think everybody looks at the Chiefs as the crown jewel
of the division. They have to be knocked off in
order to you know whatever. But I think most people
kind of view the Chargers and the Broncos as sort
of equal footing agree on that second tier. And I
think having that knowledge, the Broncos tried to sign a
Chargers defensive lineman this offseason, doing unable to do that
and Puna forward. So I think they're trying to get
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institutional knowledge on your competitors and also bring good players
over h I think is good practice. Speaking of practice,
So obviously we're out at Mandador mid camp today. Not
Bo's greatest throwing day, certainly, and I don't want to
start this up again because last year. But I'm like,
I'm not worried about boh and all, So don't don't
read that into it. I'm just saying it wasn't one
of his great day. Really wasn't won a great day
thrown for he was underthrowing, especially on the deep stead
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like the he he was accurate on the you know,
the usual underneath stuff, but it was some of the
deeper stuff He's still trying to find the timing and
the you know, in the placement on back shoulder fades
or some of the stuff. To Pat Bryant, you know,
they were there throwing some of those deep balls that
you're just like these are not where they need to be.
What was it sam ailing or bad where your air mail?
Or was it Troutman's head? I think there at the end,
who was Oh no, no, it was yeah, Loaner eighty four,
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that's right, Yeah, it was Loaner's heads. He's six seven
right somehow, and and Loner went up for it and
the ball was still three feet over his head from
about five yards away. It was. It was bad. Yeah.
Bonis and Lolan wind.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Out there today either win no, no, no. Bonix to the
first team offense. Closed the practice really strong in the
red zone they did. They did some red zone there
and he got a couple of touchdowns, one to Pat
Bryan in the back of the end zone and then
one to Lucas Croll in the flat that he ended up.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Running it in.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So closed stronger, you know, And that's some of the
timing stuff. It's always tough to know how much of
that the receiver and how much of that is bo
because you are you're not He's not throwing a corl
and Sutton on those passes, the ones that you're referencing, like,
you're not throwing to your number one guy, Evan Ingram, right,
you're not throwing to the guys that are gonna be
out there in those kinds of moments, who he has
been working a lot with today and Novele as well.
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So it's to say, I don't read really anything into
this now. If we're, you know, a couple of weeks
into practice training camp and the offense has one of
these kinds.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Of practices, I think that's a little more notable.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's like, okay, well, hey, let's you're two weeks into
training camp and we're kind of ramping things up and
guys are not on the same page. But here in
mandatory mini camp, I mean, you're you did a great
job qualifying it. But I just want to reemphasize there
wasn't anything today that really worried now whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I'll go further with that. One day like that,
even in training camp, is not gonna bug me. It's
when you start to consist if you have the consistent
days like that. But a mandatory mini camp, I mean,
guys have been off, they've been a cabo whatever else.
Like you know, this is you're just you're you're feeling
out some of your newer receivers and and you're trying
to get the timing down, figure out what they can do,
what they can't do, that kind of stuff. I mean,
you really want to go back Pat mahomes second training camp,
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right before he became the you know, the starter of
for this. Ges obviously started that game for the Broncos,
but against the Broncos, but you know that training he
was that mini camper, mailing interceptions all over the place.
People were telling you guys gonna be terrible and stuff
like that. I'm like, he just pumped the brakes man.
They're getting all they're testing all this stuff out. That's
what they're doing. And so the Broncos are doing that too.
So like with regard to and I tweeted it out
with regard to that, don't you know it's not over
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it's you know, it's it's not you know that kind
of thing. It's ourp over whatever we're using now, it's
it's you know, it was just an observation, wasn't the
strongest annoying day? Okay, cool, now you bank that and
you move on.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I just noticed that you didn't tweet out good throwing
days for Bonix and the other practice.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's an expectation. I don't need to. I don't need to.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, you know, you, you,
being who you are, take an opportunity the first chance
you get. You're like, oh, Bill had a bad day,
guess what, I'm gonna run the.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Twitter and out.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
We were joking about, by the way, when you just
ignoreded red zone at the v very end of practice
actually was the strongest part of the first team. I
left to get back here. But the some people didn't see.
I know, some people actually stuck around and watched red
zone to.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Something because I don't have you know, these cushy diva
afternoon job wearing a full picture for the listeners.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Some people want to paint a Benjamin all Bright framed picture.
I mean, it wasn't a great throwing day period, but
he closed strong.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Cool bully for you who said, nobody says that anymore.
Nobody says that anymore. We've gotta we gotta bring that back.
Believe you, I don't know if we needs do we
to bring that? Okay? I thought, uh, And we talked
about McLoughlin a little bit. I thought mostly it was
a strong day for him. Somebody who you know, I
think is on the cusp of of probably the practice
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squad with this team. I think what you what you
wind up gatting is a said youuation where one of
these running backs is out. It'll probably be uh, what
do we call it? Beaty Biday? What are we called?
What is he calling himself? Now? After he told everybody
to call him something else three different times. McLaughlin would
be the guy that could go to the practice squad
in that scenario, and then you know, bidet would be
be out. For those who are asking about Blake Watson,
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He's still injured and has not been, you know, obviously
out there playing PJ. Locke was was not out there.
He was injured at Perry had surgery, not out there.
There's a couple of guys that keep getting asked about
those kind of guys. The velet thing. No information really
on that. They just said they expect. Yeah, there's a
I was checking in with something. I'm still waiting for confirmation.
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If I get that, I'll tweet it out. But there
was there was a I had heard that it was
a possible family thing, not negative, but a possible family thing.
So I'll I'll continue to monitor it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean the way Sean framed it, and I
mean not that he's going to raise alarms intentionally, but
the way he framed it to the media afterwards, it
was like a nothing thing. Yeah, so yeah, So if
it is a nothing thing for Sean, then it's a
nothing thing.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
For Broncos fans. But it's only because he's had such
a great office Lion. It was noticeable.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Cotton absence is noticeable, but I mean to the point
like maybe that is more of a conversation about how
good Veley and how important he is to this offense.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They had a bit of an off day if you will. Now,
well listen, I am not I'm not going to give
you what you want here, but I'm going to do
it anyway because well listen, I'll give you. I'll give
you that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It wasn't a crisp day for the first team offense,
and there were some arrent passes.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I would say crisp day for most of the I
mean Stidham was okay, Alinger was bad, and bo had
an atypical bow day. Yeah, I mean he had a
great first play touchdown touchdown, but deep past to Corlan
Sutton and Riley Moss on the left side of the
You know, to open team period, and then it was
kind of a from there and I'd say mostly forgettable
for the over the course of the practice for the
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first team off, especially for Bonnix. But then as we're
sort of describing, I wanted to see how he closed
the day, how they they closed the day, and boy,
that Pat Bryan touched down in the back of the
end zone the red zone was just a thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean you absolutely, I mean he laced it into
him and it was. It was incredible and Pat went
up and sort of high pointed it. It was it was beautiful,
got both feet down. So there's just there's there's things
that you say, all right, well that's notable and we'll
go in today to tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, and good to clothes strong too. It's always good
to have that kind of energy going into things because
you're gonna you know, you're gonna look at the tape
later and even if it's practical're gonna dissect the tape
and you're gonna be oh, that was you know, there
are a lot of balls that ended up out of
bounds on the sideline, Uh, yesterday, how do we remedy
that today? And it wasn't a win thing or anything else.
And I would say, I mean the defense played well.
I wouldn't say it was particularly smothering coverage by the defense.
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And then and then the pick six really like that
that was an accident. Cordy Jackson hit him in the hands, yes,
popped up, you know, in the air. And then Jackson
followed up with a great snag a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So but but once again, like hey, hanging out as
a first team quarterback there, Yeah, because if you hit
him in the hands, pop straight up in the air.
So ja kwan just right there. Didn't have to do very.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Much, was it. Wait, who's eighty nine gonna not gonna
work here anymore? Yeah? That was that joke was floating
around a little bit in the uh uh in the
media section. I want to get to some of the
defensive stuff. Yeah, oh, but there's a guy. There's a
guy that was talking. There's a dude there is there's
a guy ye pressures today. Yeah, we'll get to I
want to talk about some of that stuff and and
and get to that. Obviously, the big news of the
day the JK. Dobbins signing and uh and what that'll
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do for this team. But you guys are listening to
Broncos Country tonight right here on Kowa. We will be
back right for this, right here with you. Along with
the o G. Bryan Everards talks a little bit about
the offense. Uh in the last segment, talked about JK.
Dobbins getting signed here in Denver, the one year deal
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north of five million dollars, what that means for the
running back room. But I wanted to get to the
defensive side of the ball because I do believe, I mean,
as excited as everybody has a bet bow and in
the draft, like Pat Bryant and R. J. Harvey and
the signing JK. Dobbins, the defense will probably again be
the star of this team, as it has been for
quite some time. I think dating back to the year
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after the twenty thirteen Super Bowl. There were some players today,
there were some plays made, you know, I know we
referenced Riley Moss and Courtly getting that catch over him
and that kind of stuff. But there was some some
I mean, obviously you're not pats that simulated pressure, but
there was some pressure coming from out of the front seven.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
There really was, and you know, I think I noted
it last week, but I didn't tweet out about it.
I really should have because he definitely showed up. Most
of my tweet last week on observations from OTA's was
on the offensive side of the ball, because I think
you said it perfectly. Pads aren't on it's it's so
tough to really know. But Kee Robinson, Ke Robinson might
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have had five pressures today. I mean, it sounds like
an exaggeration, but even on the interception at the end
of practice, Jarts did him through it to Lavelle Bailey
in the end zone. Q Robinson came screaming around the
right side and well, I guess Jared Sidam's left side,
and he'd been getting pressures on the other side. I mean,
they're moving them off. But he is just such a
smooth operator, and it just he just has this kind
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of burst and wiggle that he just kind of glides
right by the offensive tackle. I mean, he's gonna probably
have to continue to develop his arsenal, but my goodness, man,
there is something there. And I could see why the
Broncos were targeting him there on Day three. And I
know initially when he was drafted, we talked about him
as a core special teamer, and I still think that
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that's what his role is in year one especially, but.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's there's something there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And he showed up last week with a couple of
pressures and today, like I said, it led to an interception.
He hurried Bo Nicks, and he hurried Jared sid him
off their mark in the red zone, and his red
zone work, I mean it was just like over and
over it. It was like a slat machine. And now
he's going against some backup tackles at times, but he
also is going to give the starters there on one
of those pressures to Bo Nick.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So just something too minor or here.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We obviously have sometimes during OTA's and mandatory mini camp,
we have some guys that end up popping and then
we get to training camp and they aren't that guy.
So I'm not gonna sit here and try to make
more than I absolutely have to. But Ke Robinson has
flashed here in the off season. Well yeah, and the
Broncos drafted him on traits.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean we saw those those on this Black Holm,
the Q Continuum after John Delancey's character and Star Trek
the next name. Because he's all powerful. Everything must have
a nickname, even the show. That he's a new nickname,
you're gonna be like mcguiver stuff here pretty soon with.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Sign mcgiver. So I just, you know, everything has to
have a nickname. That nick really is perfect for you
because because you know, when we did the show together.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
We're out nicknaming each other.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I just am not a nickname guy, never been one.
I let you just handle all the nickname stuff that
you were always like trying to come up with clever
nicknames for players and groups and.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
All that stuff. And I was just like, I'm out.
I'm out. But then you and Nick Boy, you guys
are just like, hey, we could riff on that for
a while. It's just he's already named nick, so he
doesn't need it. See how that worked. We've walked right
into that one. And not only Coop looked pretty good
out there today as well. Who's getting a little bit
of pressure, you know as well. If if we're talking
about some of the stars and Q, I'm interested to
see how they use him if he's solely an edge guy,
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or if if he is kind of a tweiner where
you can move inside, because I think he's got that
skill set. But it's just it's interesting to It'll be
interesting to see uh with with Coop though, And that
is the thing because you know, you paid Jonathan Cooper
really because you kind of had to at that point.
But he was not exactly the most dynamic pass rusher,
more of a set the edge guy who had some
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of that ability. But with the attention paid to Zach Allen,
to Nick Benito, to John Franklin Myers dj up his
freed Cooper to be able to come in and make
plays and make sacks. We saw that last year as
the sack total goes up and uh and he adds
to it, but he was generating pressure on his own
today now again lack of pads. It's difficult to really
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read a lot into that. But that's a good thing,
I think as he progresses his because he was a
hand in the dirt forty three end, you know, who
had to kind of learn how to be an outside
backer in terms of you know, standing up and how
and to rush from that position. He had the set
in the edge part down, in those kind of things down,
but he did not have that aspect of it. It looks
like he's adding to his game.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I couldn't agree more and it would be phenomenal for
the Broncos if he does end up going to another level.
I mean, I'd say my expectation of Jonathan Cooper is
is just a sort of steady, good player, and that's
why you paid him. He paid him also because he's
a good presence in the locker room. But you wanted
to have some stability there and he's as stable as
you get, as far as.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He was literally drafted to be a stabilizer for Baron Browning.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So he just he's but he's grown into a really
great role in that locker room and the guys look
up to him, and it's a relatively young group that
that has looked to him as a bit of a leader.
And so you pay him because he's been obviously well
above the seventh rounder that you ended up drafting. So
if there's another level to him, that's phenomenal news for
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this team. And it doesn't mean that well, now you
cannot pay Nick Bonito or now you can do no,
because I don't think that that's the conversation to have.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think more of the conversation is, hey, if if
you can get more from him, and if he has
more of his game that he can continue to develop.
That's only going to mean more for the groups as
a whole.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On the the secondary side of things, there was a
couple of different players out there, you know, It's it
was interesting. I mean, Stan's still Certan. Uh. You saw
Moss on the Courtland Sutton deal. I wish I didn't
see as much of Abram's strain as I wanted to
today today's I have noticed him a lot. Yeah, that
that's sort of the thing. It's like, I'm trying to
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watch the down trace guys to figure out with Jeda
in there, exactly how that affects the you know, the
down trace of of the corner room. And Lamari's still
out there, but he's getting third team, right, and I
think I think he's in trouble. I'm gonna be honest here.
I mean, maybe you're bringing back on the practice squad,
but he just seems like something because I mean is
I don't want to say ja Qui McMillan was bad
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last year, but he was part of the weak link
in that defense. Mpja were with the weak links in
the defense, right, But I still think he's okay, And
so like I'm kind of wondering if you can have
Jade take the slot job and still keep Jaqui McMillan
on this roster as a reserve, rotational kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It takes. It takes a strong mentality to be able
to take that kind of demotion and still play up
to the level that you're capable of. But you know,
I feel like he's the kind of guy who's got
to get that aggressive, you know, mentality that they can
handle that. I think when you go to Dime that
he's going to have some some kind of role in that.
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't I don't see him not on this roster
and you know, interception today side. I just he's not
a bad player. He's a very good player. And last
year we were talking about like what a diamond in
the rough that they ended up finding as an undrafted
player to get sort of starting nickel for you. But
I do think with the drafting of ja Day, you
want to maybe give him a little bit of time
to make sure that that he's set and you know,
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the speed of the game doesn't affect him too much.
And that's why we're I think gives you a little
insurance there but more than anything, I think he get
to some dime and he just he has the ability
to cover in short area and that's that's a big deal. Man,
that's a really big deal because especially when the league
has become yeah, you got your your long speed guys,
you have some guys they're going to test you over
the top. But so much of the so much of
the game now is it in between the sticks and
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trying to get yack. And that's where guys like Jay
Kwan can be so significant for you.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Some of the stuff they were practicing today felt a
little niche from the offensive plays. I don't want to
get too deep into the specifics of it, but you know,
some of this stuff felt a little niche, like stuff
you're probably not going to run but once a month,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And maybe that is a little bit again to what
your point about the inconsistency of the offense. I mean,
it's like they were trying out some things today, Like
there were some try and some timing stuff that just
wasn't working. And I hesitate to say that's on bo.
I hesitated to say it's on the receiver. You just
don't really know. And I think oftentimes we in the
media will say, well, that just shows up as an
incomplete or a bad play. But then they go into
the you know, they go into the classroom and they say, well,
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this is why this didn't work. And actually just wanted
to see how this dB would reac to it. I
wanted to see how this receiver would react to the coverage.
I wanted to see, you know, how when the edge
rush got there, what Bow decided. Because he had a
nice scramble today during st I think is either high
red zone or was just outside of it. But he
had a nice scramble the right side. There's just some
it just it seemed a little disjointed to your point.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But again, this is the time.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But I don't know why, and I'm not going to
sit here and try to jump to conclusions. Some media
members will, and that's fine, that's that's kind of up
to them. Some people will tweet out even that it
was a bad bo next day. But I would never
do something like that because I ultimately look at it
in terms of the big picture.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm and and you know the beautiful thing about it.
To your point, and I actually will give your credit
on this. I hate doing it, but I Will It's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We don't actually have to grade bo Nicks on the
daily basis in a quarterback competition, We don't, you know,
It's it's just he's the guy. He's been good and
he has earned the job, and nobody's debating that anymore.
So it's not in any danger of losing the job now.
Now it's just more about how is the offense functioning,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The ebbs and flows of Hey, we had a you know,
this just kind of wasn't a great day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But there's a standard. There's a standard that we can
expect and we should expect. And I think so far
through most of the off season I've noted on my show,
if noted on your show as well, and you have
as well. It just there they have raised the floor,
like the offense overall, and I don't think you were
going to argue with me on that the overall floor
of the offense is much higher. They seem to be
a cleaner operation in general. Today it was just sort
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of a kind of a weird day. But I'm fascinated
to see again day two what they ultimately kind of
dial back and say, all right, well, you know, we
tried a few things yesterday they didn't quite work. Let's
see if we can get back into a little bit
more of our bread and butter do.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And that's sort of what like mandatory mini camp is
a conditioning check for coaches, right, it's the coaches to
do a conditioning check on players, really and then you know,
or a mental check maybe on some of the young
players and see how much of it drinking through a
fire hose, how much of it they were able to
handle again, Yeah, And then that's the thing. We're hopefully
far removed from the days where we're charting passes and
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you know, in camp and and all that kind of stuff.
At the end of the day, I mean, it's practice.
They're trying some stuff out. That kind of stuff just
won a great day to day. Okay, cool, go go
study the tape, figure out why, and come back tomorrow
and try something different. By the way, really quick, the JK.
Dobbins deal is actually a.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
One year, two point seven four five million dollar contract
with two and a half million in.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Sentatives to get up to five two five. Yeah. I
wanted to throw that out there. We got there in
case we were Yes, that is that is the case.
And I think that's a good deal. Like that's you know,
I think most of those incentives are easy to hit, too.
There's one or two in there. I think that there's
a there's a snap count percentage that I don't think
he's gonna hit, But the rest of it is probably
pretty pretty attainable. I want to shift gears a little
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bit here. Aaron Rodgers obviously signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
finally ending the will he won't he uh because nobody
else wants him, of it all, he was very obviously
waiting at despite what he's saying now, he was very
obviously waiting out to Minnesota Vikings, who had no interest
in bringing him in. How do you think this Rogers
(28:01):
and Pittsburgh thing goes? Because I look at this thing
and it feels like a recipe for disaster to me.
Do wear on the same page?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
In fact, Dave Logan and I keep going back and
forth because he thinks it's a really good signing for
Pittsburgh and I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't see it the same way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And it's not to say because I think Pittsburgh has
just developed a level of competency when they play football,
And I even kind of cracked, and I sort of
believe it, But I kind of cracked that with Mason
Rudolph and Will Howard, I think they would have had
a chance to get to ten wins because it's just
who they are. They just find a way to get
to nine or ten wins every single season. And the
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moment you sort of bet against him, Duck Hodges goes
out there and wins games for him. So I just
feel like there's a level. It's kind of like when
I'm starting to believe it with Minnesota, right, I mean,
there's Kevin O'Connell. He just has a way of coaching
and they have a way of running things that they're
just not gonna be a bad team. They're gonna they
maybe have some off moments, but they're not gonna be
a bad team overall. So I'd say with Mike Tomlin,
who is a much longer stretch, obviously, they've just up
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a level of consistency. But that being said, you know,
Aaron Rodgers is his personality thing, right, and maybe you
talk about his abilities and what they are. I thought
there were some moments last year with the Jets where
he still showed some again some understanding that he could
still play. But I told I can't remember who I
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said this to on the show the other day, I said,
they had no pressure on them. You know, when he's
hitting Devanta Adams on these deep passes and they're scoring
these touchdowns at the end of the season for what
it was, completely meaningless, like they're playing with no pressure
whatsoever on them. Now, you know, Dave pushed back and said, well,
he's used to playing with pressure. I agreed, But this
is forty one year old Aaron Rodgers coming off of
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a significant injury about a year two years removed. And
I don't know, man, I just I wonder about the personality.
I wonder about the expectations, and people are gonna probably
be over the moon thinking that this is the quarterback
that they've been missing since Ben Roethlisberger, and even if
it is a short term kind of deal, they probably
have high expectations of of a deep playoff run. I'm
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not so sure, man, I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah. For me, it's you know, it's sort of it's interesting.
I don't necessarily agreed to make the playoffs with with
Mason Rudolph. He's the hashtag not good, but I think
they you run the ball and play great defense, but
can like that offensive line is not good. But they
have made the playoffs with Race and Rudolph. That's the
problem is if people say that and then it's like, actually,
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do you remember the seasons when Mason Rudolph closed for them? Yeah,
I don't know. I like looking at the it's funny
some of the reporting out there because they had no
intention of ever keeping fields or Russell Wilson. That's interesting
because there's reporting out there that field field was they
had no interest in keeping justin fields. Uh, and you
know that's they're just trying to be nice about. Yeah,
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the play and see was Aaron Rodgers. That's which is malarkey,
not Mike Malarkey, the coach. Just absolute malarchy in the
sense that it's it's nonsense. If they would have they
would have offered him something. The looking at that tea,
he's such a you know, and to all to his credit,
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he's a decent teammate. People inside the locker room say
he's fine, you know, inside the locker room, but he's
such a lightning rod for controversy. Was saying, there's some
of the dumbest things you can you can possibly imagine.
And then you know, on top of that the declining play,
and it has been declining play. Now you're in an
offense that you don't even know. You've never been in
this offense before. Arthur smith offense is not the Laflor offense.
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And I realized that they had overlap of Tennessee together,
but they're wildly different offenses. I don't know that Aaron
Rodgers is going to be a dump it down to
the running back guy like they want, uh, you know,
run the ball a lot, dump it down to the
running back a lot, hit the tight end off play action,
you know, and then try to set up a deep
crosser later on. Rodgers has always been I want to
I want to play yolo ball with the deep you know,
the dee baisill routes. I just don't see how he's
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a fit for what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm with you, and the fact is is you actually
have a bit of a downgrade receiver off k Metcalf
and Pat Fryermouth. But you had Garrett Wilson, you had
DeVante Adams last year, plus you had Allen Lazard whatever
he had left, and and you you believed in that
and yeah, I'd say it was relatively comparable in their
running game, even though Bretze Hall didn't really have much
of a season last year.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know, man, I think you hit it right
there when you're talking about the fits. You're talking about
him coming into this offense and late into the process.
I mean, he'll he has gotten, you know, next several
weeks to get ready for training camp. But I don't know, man,
I see more of the pitfalls here. But maybe I'll
be proven wrong. And uh, there's certainly certainly a lot
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of excitement for what he can bring the tough division.
It's one of maybe the toughest division, with a lot
of teams that sort of expect to be better this year,
the Ravens being the one of them. The Bengals actually
getting to the postseason, so well, that's that's another thing, Bengals.
You still got the rookie and the the other and
Hendrickson won't show up. You've got your your star defensive player,
the only really honestly good defensive player you have. You
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got your rookie, your first round rookie who you also
haven't signed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Do you see his quote today? No, I saw some
people buzzing about it. I just had a chance to
go look at it yet, something about you know, but
I don't know that I would have aired that grievance necessarily.
I wouldn't have either. The quote you pull it up
real quick. He said, I'm one hundred percent right, So
basically he's holding out again. Man training of the campus said,
I'm a hundred percent right. It should be a no brainer.
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In Trey's case, it should be a no brainer too.
I'm not asking for nothing y'all have never done before.
But y'all the Bengals just want to win arguments more
than winning games. In my opinion, that's from your rookie
first round pick, and that's a way to start off
your relationship with that. Wow. Yeah me. Meanwhile, you got
James Cook showing up in Buffalo. You do saying, you know,
it's all business, no hard feelings, all that kind of stuff.
(33:45):
Cousins gave great quotes on the Michael Panick situation, you
know there that he's just there to support. We'll see
how that shakes out of that contracts borderline unmovable with
all that kind of stuff. I appreciate you stepping in
to step up to the plate and get in the
hot seat here to talk about Boenix's terrible, terrible Kno,
I'm just kidding, gum kidding, I'm kidding. I appreciate you
stepping in though anytime. Brother. Yeah, you guys listening to
(34:07):
Broncos Country tonight. It's obviously the short show host Rockies edition.
We'll be back at the same concept tomorrow. Appciate you
guys listening
Post Rockies edition, Rocky's taken on the San Francisco Giants
and we've got the og Ryan Edwards in the house.
What's going on, brother? I'm good man, how are you?
I'm doing pretty well, hot and sweaty from uh watching
watching mandatory mini camp, which you know there will mandatorily
be another.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Body there tomorrow. That's that's correct. We found out literally
in the waning moments of practice that JK. Dobbins is
signing a one year, five point two five million dollar
contract with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Pretty good stuff. What are your initials thoughts on this backfield?
And I say that since RJJK, Yeah, he's do what
he did there? Yeah, No, I mean I love it.
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know, we saw it said for a while that
you'd like to raise the floor of the running back room.
He's going to have a role, He's going to have
a significant role. And honestly, it was the one position
I think a lot of people pointed to and we
talked about inside linebacker. But it's not like they haven't
addressed inside linebacker. They have addressed inside linebacker. But it
is the one position where you drafted a guy and
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then you largely just had most of your room coming
back with the exception of Davante, and it felt like
it was in an incomplete room. To be honest, I mean,
maybe some of these guys pop You're basing a lot
of your assessment of the room until this move on projection,
and unfortunately you just you just needed more and so
fortunately you've got on the other side of that. George
(01:16):
Peyton and Sean Payton, they recognized that and got the
deal done, and I think for five point two five million,
which by the way, I think is tied with Najee
Harris's deal on a one year is very telling on
what kind of role or what kind of expectations they
have for him here. This is not a proven deal
like he was with the Chargers last year where he's
surprised people. This is you have a carved out role
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with this team. Yeah, I think the one thing, I mean,
one year deal. I still believe a one year deal
would still sort of be a prove it deal in
a sense. I mean, but obviously with the amount of
money attached to it, you know there is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
There is a role for it. Is there any concern
about the fact that Dobbins started so hot last year.
I mean, I mean just incredibly hot. Those first two
games he had an insane amount of yardage, and then
after that it was kind of you know, averaging three
point a to carry that kind of stuff. Now, in
his defense, on that he was kind of the only
back that they really had because the gust bus wasn't
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running and all that kind of stuff. So, you know,
maybe in a more contained role this year, the high
production of the early season doesn't grind him down very quickly,
and he's still able to maintain that. I think the
thing about it, this is an all purpose back. He
blocks well, he catches well, he obviously runs well. I'm
excited by this. I mean, obviously we've been talking about
this for quite some time, but it's final. They come
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to fruition, and I think Sean didn't want to talk
about it today at all, which is fine. I am
sure we'll get into it a little bit more with
him tomorrow. In fact, I hope we get to see
JK out there in the practice field for the second
day of mandatory mini camp. But I don't I'm starting
to not think this is bad news for Jualiel. You know,
initially my thought was this, this move when it does happen,
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will be a tough deal for Julil McLoughlin. Now again
we're talking on June tenth. Things can change. But watching
Jaliel out there in the role that he is carved
out in the offense, and again it's it's so hard
to read into who's running with who right because and
I can't tip my hand too much on what we
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saw because that they won't let us.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But I don't know, man, the way JK. Dobbins plays
that is that is more of an odrict estimate issue.
Like odric estimate, I think is the guy that I
would worry about if I'm on this roster right now.
It's certainly tyler to Beday. But I think they're gonna
try to hide and stash.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, you put him on the practice squad, which anymore,
I mean, you don't have to stash guys. He just
put him on the practice squad. You have to call
ups and all that kind of stuff. Maybe, I mean,
you know, Jilliel, he has the short area quicks. The
long speed is still obviously insufficient. We I was standing
there watching a run that he did. It was off
the left side. I can't remember for the swing pass
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now or if it was a run. I think it
was a swing pass actually, but he took off all
the way and pats are ten caught in from behind
with a bad angle from across the field. You know.
It's one of those things. And not that that's any
slaps me and Patterton is very fast human being, but
you know, I mean, if you are that type of
running back who's got that fourth gear, you know what
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
About, the home rule, get up a little bit, so,
I mean to your to your point, yes, I mean
that he's on here for his straight line speed and
his quicks right, and this is.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
His selling point. I mean, that's that's what he is.
But he's north, you know, like he he hits top
speed pretty quick, but the top speed is not you know,
his top speed sixty five. He can't get into that
eighty ninety mile an hour, you know what I'm talking about.
And I say sixty slow because he didn't think would
catch him. I don't really know, but yeah, you know
that before he sees one of those guys that like
it lacks the like elite elite long speed for a
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guy his size. That's and that's one of those things
you saw. It was it this Tampa game where he
was racing to the corner and almost got caught. Remember
you got that touchdown and I remember he almost got
caught by that lot out of position line back. Yeah,
And that's one of those things like I don't wrong,
love him, love the story and all that kind of stuff,
but there's also a reason that you know he was
where he was and when undrafted and those kinds of things,
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and it's the measurables. Those those things do ultimately matter,
and you can Julie has proven he can play in
this league. But those things do ultimately matter in the
sense of, you know, once you start looking at target
shares or touch shares and things like that, it starts
adding up. I think that people who have been drafting R. J.
Harvey in these early fantasy drafts, I think that Stock
takes a little bit of a hit here because I
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think he eats into as you were talking about, were
talking about estimate in McLoughlin, I think he eats into
a lot of Harvey stuff too. I mean, they're they're
interchangeable backs in a lot of ways. Dobbin's a better
pass protector, which he should be. It was a little
bit bigger, little runs, a little more authority. But they're
sort of interchangeable guys, and I think that's what they wanted,
like getting those guys out there. You put one or
the other on the field. Now all of a sudden,
you don't necessarily know what you're doing. You're not tipping
your hand, whereas you had archetypes, when you had Estima
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and Harvey and McLoughlin, and you kind of based on
who is out there, you were gonna know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Right then this, this again raises the floor of the
room overall. I just to say with Jalil, I I'm
a slow I'm gonna slow down a little bit on
my I think this is bad news and he's going
to be the guy that's going to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Out as a result of this.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But but you do say one thing, and I think
it's an important thing that we noted last year, is
that when he was on the field, you were tipping
your hand at times to what you were going to
be running. And that's something that's got to change right away.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Unless you're running two back sets, unless you're you find
a way to, you know, use him as like a
jet back and do the little bump passes or running
gun you know, gun split back where you've got you know,
both guys, and you are tipping your hand when he's
out there. Was the same thing with Phil Lindsay, when
you had Phil out there, you know, you were tipping
your hand on what you were doing. You knew they
were running the ball because he wasn't pass protecting and
he didn't really catch that well, so you kind of
(06:36):
knew what you were doing. And so that's one of
those things to get again. And I think they finally
got their veteran voice in the room. We've we've been
talking about that again. We've been talking about this for
a while, but getting that veteran voice in the room.
I think they like to have a veteran voice in
each you know, in each room, and they've got one
now in the running back room. I think uh Dobbins
is an upgrade off Chiavante. Uh oh, absolutely, you know.
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I mean he's always ut last year, if nothing else well,
and both of them came back from same injury. Chavante's
further along in the comeback to that agin now he
came back from another acl you know, on top of that.
But but you know, Dobbins is a guy, is a
work a worker, guy who's worked his way back from
severe injury multiple times. And so that's something to I mean, again,
on the one hand, there's the injury prone thing, but
on the other hand, you've seen a guy who's seen it,
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done it, and you know what, you know, you have
a sort of known commodity. I think the other thing
that we're not really talking about here that is inherently
valuable is his knowledge of the offense and defense of
someone else in the division. You know, the Charters, the newest,
the newcomer to the vision. Well, I say, the new cover.
It was the newcomer last year. Now it's of course
the Raiders. But and so I think there is an
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inherent value in that too. Now you can start gameplay,
you've got to win. Look at this schedule, so you've
got to win those Chargers games. You've got to win
division games this year. I mean, it's it's a tough
schedule this year. That's what happens. When you win games,
you get a tougher schedule. So, you know, I think
having Dobbins here helps out in that regard too.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well. I mean, of course it doesn't hurt, right. I
know the team's coaches specifically will often downplay that the
knowledge you get, the institutional knowledge you get from players
that were on former teams. But there's got to be
something to that. And he obviously had some success. They
had success against the Broncos. They beat them both twice
last year. So you've got at least split to your
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point with the Chargers, And yeah, you've got to have
if your mindset is the AFC West, you got to
have your eye on possibly taking both. You know, the
Chargers have an interesting start to the season because they
are playing the Chiefs in opening weekend, right, They're going
to do that in South Pallo. Then they got the
Raiders in week two, and then they got the Broncos
in week three. They got division games right up the
top of the first three games. So it's going to
(08:37):
be fascinating to see where they're at when these two
teams see each other in week three.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, I
think everybody looks at the Chiefs as the crown jewel
of the division. They have to be knocked off in
order to you know whatever. But I think most people
kind of view the Chargers and the Broncos as sort
of equal footing agree on that second tier. And I
think having that knowledge, the Broncos tried to sign a
Chargers defensive lineman this offseason, doing unable to do that
and Puna forward. So I think they're trying to get
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institutional knowledge on your competitors and also bring good players
over h I think is good practice. Speaking of practice,
So obviously we're out at Mandador mid camp today. Not
Bo's greatest throwing day, certainly, and I don't want to
start this up again because last year. But I'm like,
I'm not worried about boh and all, So don't don't
read that into it. I'm just saying it wasn't one
of his great day. Really wasn't won a great day
thrown for he was underthrowing, especially on the deep stead
(09:23):
like the he he was accurate on the you know,
the usual underneath stuff, but it was some of the
deeper stuff He's still trying to find the timing and
the you know, in the placement on back shoulder fades
or some of the stuff. To Pat Bryant, you know,
they were there throwing some of those deep balls that
you're just like these are not where they need to be.
What was it sam ailing or bad where your air mail?
Or was it Troutman's head? I think there at the end,
who was Oh no, no, it was yeah, Loaner eighty four,
(09:47):
that's right, Yeah, it was Loaner's heads. He's six seven
right somehow, and and Loner went up for it and
the ball was still three feet over his head from
about five yards away. It was. It was bad. Yeah.
Bonis and Lolan wind.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Out there today either win no, no, no. Bonix to the
first team offense. Closed the practice really strong in the
red zone they did. They did some red zone there
and he got a couple of touchdowns, one to Pat
Bryan in the back of the end zone and then
one to Lucas Croll in the flat that he ended up.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Running it in.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So closed stronger, you know, And that's some of the
timing stuff. It's always tough to know how much of
that the receiver and how much of that is bo
because you are you're not He's not throwing a corl
and Sutton on those passes, the ones that you're referencing, like,
you're not throwing to your number one guy, Evan Ingram, right,
you're not throwing to the guys that are gonna be
out there in those kinds of moments, who he has
been working a lot with today and Novele as well.
(10:34):
So it's to say, I don't read really anything into
this now. If we're, you know, a couple of weeks
into practice training camp and the offense has one of
these kinds.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Of practices, I think that's a little more notable.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's like, okay, well, hey, let's you're two weeks into
training camp and we're kind of ramping things up and
guys are not on the same page. But here in
mandatory mini camp, I mean, you're you did a great
job qualifying it. But I just want to reemphasize there
wasn't anything today that really worried now whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I'll go further with that. One day like that,
even in training camp, is not gonna bug me. It's
when you start to consist if you have the consistent
days like that. But a mandatory mini camp, I mean,
guys have been off, they've been a cabo whatever else.
Like you know, this is you're just you're you're feeling
out some of your newer receivers and and you're trying
to get the timing down, figure out what they can do,
what they can't do, that kind of stuff. I mean,
you really want to go back Pat mahomes second training camp,
(11:20):
right before he became the you know, the starter of
for this. Ges obviously started that game for the Broncos,
but against the Broncos, but you know that training he
was that mini camper, mailing interceptions all over the place.
People were telling you guys gonna be terrible and stuff
like that. I'm like, he just pumped the brakes man.
They're getting all they're testing all this stuff out. That's
what they're doing. And so the Broncos are doing that too.
So like with regard to and I tweeted it out
with regard to that, don't you know it's not over
(11:42):
it's you know, it's it's not you know that kind
of thing. It's ourp over whatever we're using now, it's
it's you know, it was just an observation, wasn't the
strongest annoying day? Okay, cool, now you bank that and
you move on.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I just noticed that you didn't tweet out good throwing
days for Bonix and the other practice.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's an expectation. I don't need to. I don't need to.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, you know, you, you,
being who you are, take an opportunity the first chance
you get. You're like, oh, Bill had a bad day,
guess what, I'm gonna run the.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Twitter and out.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
We were joking about, by the way, when you just
ignoreded red zone at the v very end of practice
actually was the strongest part of the first team. I
left to get back here. But the some people didn't see.
I know, some people actually stuck around and watched red
zone to.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Something because I don't have you know, these cushy diva
afternoon job wearing a full picture for the listeners.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Some people want to paint a Benjamin all Bright framed picture.
I mean, it wasn't a great throwing day period, but
he closed strong.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Cool bully for you who said, nobody says that anymore.
Nobody says that anymore. We've gotta we gotta bring that back.
Believe you, I don't know if we needs do we
to bring that? Okay? I thought, uh, And we talked
about McLoughlin a little bit. I thought mostly it was
a strong day for him. Somebody who you know, I
think is on the cusp of of probably the practice
(12:56):
squad with this team. I think what you what you
wind up gatting is a said youuation where one of
these running backs is out. It'll probably be uh, what
do we call it? Beaty Biday? What are we called?
What is he calling himself? Now? After he told everybody
to call him something else three different times. McLaughlin would
be the guy that could go to the practice squad
in that scenario, and then you know, bidet would be
be out. For those who are asking about Blake Watson,
(13:18):
He's still injured and has not been, you know, obviously
out there playing PJ. Locke was was not out there.
He was injured at Perry had surgery, not out there.
There's a couple of guys that keep getting asked about
those kind of guys. The velet thing. No information really
on that. They just said they expect. Yeah, there's a
I was checking in with something. I'm still waiting for confirmation.
(13:39):
If I get that, I'll tweet it out. But there
was there was a I had heard that it was
a possible family thing, not negative, but a possible family thing.
So I'll I'll continue to monitor it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean the way Sean framed it, and I
mean not that he's going to raise alarms intentionally, but
the way he framed it to the media afterwards, it
was like a nothing thing. Yeah, so yeah, So if
it is a nothing thing for Sean, then it's a
nothing thing.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
For Broncos fans. But it's only because he's had such
a great office Lion. It was noticeable.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Cotton absence is noticeable, but I mean to the point
like maybe that is more of a conversation about how
good Veley and how important he is to this offense.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They had a bit of an off day if you will. Now,
well listen, I am not I'm not going to give
you what you want here, but I'm going to do
it anyway because well listen, I'll give you. I'll give
you that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It wasn't a crisp day for the first team offense,
and there were some arrent passes.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I would say crisp day for most of the I
mean Stidham was okay, Alinger was bad, and bo had
an atypical bow day. Yeah, I mean he had a
great first play touchdown touchdown, but deep past to Corlan
Sutton and Riley Moss on the left side of the
You know, to open team period, and then it was
kind of a from there and I'd say mostly forgettable
for the over the course of the practice for the
(14:59):
first team off, especially for Bonnix. But then as we're
sort of describing, I wanted to see how he closed
the day, how they they closed the day, and boy,
that Pat Bryan touched down in the back of the
end zone the red zone was just a thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean you absolutely, I mean he laced it into
him and it was. It was incredible and Pat went
up and sort of high pointed it. It was it was beautiful,
got both feet down. So there's just there's there's things
that you say, all right, well that's notable and we'll
go in today to tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, and good to clothes strong too. It's always good
to have that kind of energy going into things because
you're gonna you know, you're gonna look at the tape
later and even if it's practical're gonna dissect the tape
and you're gonna be oh, that was you know, there
are a lot of balls that ended up out of
bounds on the sideline, Uh, yesterday, how do we remedy
that today? And it wasn't a win thing or anything else.
And I would say, I mean the defense played well.
I wouldn't say it was particularly smothering coverage by the defense.
(15:47):
And then and then the pick six really like that
that was an accident. Cordy Jackson hit him in the hands, yes,
popped up, you know, in the air. And then Jackson
followed up with a great snag a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So but but once again, like hey, hanging out as
a first team quarterback there, Yeah, because if you hit
him in the hands, pop straight up in the air.
So ja kwan just right there. Didn't have to do very.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Much, was it. Wait, who's eighty nine gonna not gonna
work here anymore? Yeah? That was that joke was floating
around a little bit in the uh uh in the
media section. I want to get to some of the
defensive stuff. Yeah, oh, but there's a guy. There's a
guy that was talking. There's a dude there is there's
a guy ye pressures today. Yeah, we'll get to I
want to talk about some of that stuff and and
and get to that. Obviously, the big news of the
day the JK. Dobbins signing and uh and what that'll
(16:27):
do for this team. But you guys are listening to
Broncos Country tonight right here on Kowa. We will be
back right for this, right here with you. Along with
the o G. Bryan Everards talks a little bit about
the offense. Uh in the last segment, talked about JK.
Dobbins getting signed here in Denver, the one year deal
(16:49):
north of five million dollars, what that means for the
running back room. But I wanted to get to the
defensive side of the ball because I do believe, I mean,
as excited as everybody has a bet bow and in
the draft, like Pat Bryant and R. J. Harvey and
the signing JK. Dobbins, the defense will probably again be
the star of this team, as it has been for
quite some time. I think dating back to the year
(17:10):
after the twenty thirteen Super Bowl. There were some players today,
there were some plays made, you know, I know we
referenced Riley Moss and Courtly getting that catch over him
and that kind of stuff. But there was some some
I mean, obviously you're not pats that simulated pressure, but
there was some pressure coming from out of the front seven.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
There really was, and you know, I think I noted
it last week, but I didn't tweet out about it.
I really should have because he definitely showed up. Most
of my tweet last week on observations from OTA's was
on the offensive side of the ball, because I think
you said it perfectly. Pads aren't on it's it's so
tough to really know. But Kee Robinson, Ke Robinson might
(17:49):
have had five pressures today. I mean, it sounds like
an exaggeration, but even on the interception at the end
of practice, Jarts did him through it to Lavelle Bailey
in the end zone. Q Robinson came screaming around the
right side and well, I guess Jared Sidam's left side,
and he'd been getting pressures on the other side. I mean,
they're moving them off. But he is just such a
smooth operator, and it just he just has this kind
(18:11):
of burst and wiggle that he just kind of glides
right by the offensive tackle. I mean, he's gonna probably
have to continue to develop his arsenal, but my goodness, man,
there is something there. And I could see why the
Broncos were targeting him there on Day three. And I
know initially when he was drafted, we talked about him
as a core special teamer, and I still think that
(18:32):
that's what his role is in year one especially, but.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's there's something there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And he showed up last week with a couple of
pressures and today, like I said, it led to an interception.
He hurried Bo Nicks, and he hurried Jared sid him
off their mark in the red zone, and his red
zone work, I mean it was just like over and
over it. It was like a slat machine. And now
he's going against some backup tackles at times, but he
also is going to give the starters there on one
of those pressures to Bo Nick.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So just something too minor or here.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We obviously have sometimes during OTA's and mandatory mini camp,
we have some guys that end up popping and then
we get to training camp and they aren't that guy.
So I'm not gonna sit here and try to make
more than I absolutely have to. But Ke Robinson has
flashed here in the off season. Well yeah, and the
Broncos drafted him on traits.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean we saw those those on this Black Holm,
the Q Continuum after John Delancey's character and Star Trek
the next name. Because he's all powerful. Everything must have
a nickname, even the show. That he's a new nickname,
you're gonna be like mcguiver stuff here pretty soon with.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Sign mcgiver. So I just, you know, everything has to
have a nickname. That nick really is perfect for you
because because you know, when we did the show together.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
We're out nicknaming each other.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I just am not a nickname guy, never been one.
I let you just handle all the nickname stuff that
you were always like trying to come up with clever
nicknames for players and groups and.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
All that stuff. And I was just like, I'm out.
I'm out. But then you and Nick Boy, you guys
are just like, hey, we could riff on that for
a while. It's just he's already named nick, so he
doesn't need it. See how that worked. We've walked right
into that one. And not only Coop looked pretty good
out there today as well. Who's getting a little bit
of pressure, you know as well. If if we're talking
about some of the stars and Q, I'm interested to
see how they use him if he's solely an edge guy,
(20:14):
or if if he is kind of a tweiner where
you can move inside, because I think he's got that
skill set. But it's just it's interesting to It'll be
interesting to see uh with with Coop though, And that
is the thing because you know, you paid Jonathan Cooper
really because you kind of had to at that point.
But he was not exactly the most dynamic pass rusher,
more of a set the edge guy who had some
(20:36):
of that ability. But with the attention paid to Zach Allen,
to Nick Benito, to John Franklin Myers dj up his
freed Cooper to be able to come in and make
plays and make sacks. We saw that last year as
the sack total goes up and uh and he adds
to it, but he was generating pressure on his own
today now again lack of pads. It's difficult to really
(20:56):
read a lot into that. But that's a good thing,
I think as he progresses his because he was a
hand in the dirt forty three end, you know, who
had to kind of learn how to be an outside
backer in terms of you know, standing up and how
and to rush from that position. He had the set
in the edge part down, in those kind of things down,
but he did not have that aspect of it. It looks
like he's adding to his game.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I couldn't agree more and it would be phenomenal for
the Broncos if he does end up going to another level.
I mean, I'd say my expectation of Jonathan Cooper is
is just a sort of steady, good player, and that's
why you paid him. He paid him also because he's
a good presence in the locker room. But you wanted
to have some stability there and he's as stable as
you get, as far as.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He was literally drafted to be a stabilizer for Baron Browning.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So he just he's but he's grown into a really
great role in that locker room and the guys look
up to him, and it's a relatively young group that
that has looked to him as a bit of a leader.
And so you pay him because he's been obviously well
above the seventh rounder that you ended up drafting. So
if there's another level to him, that's phenomenal news for
(22:03):
this team. And it doesn't mean that well, now you
cannot pay Nick Bonito or now you can do no,
because I don't think that that's the conversation to have.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think more of the conversation is, hey, if if
you can get more from him, and if he has
more of his game that he can continue to develop.
That's only going to mean more for the groups as
a whole.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On the the secondary side of things, there was a
couple of different players out there, you know, It's it
was interesting. I mean, Stan's still Certan. Uh. You saw
Moss on the Courtland Sutton deal. I wish I didn't
see as much of Abram's strain as I wanted to
today today's I have noticed him a lot. Yeah, that
that's sort of the thing. It's like, I'm trying to
(22:41):
watch the down trace guys to figure out with Jeda
in there, exactly how that affects the you know, the
down trace of of the corner room. And Lamari's still
out there, but he's getting third team, right, and I
think I think he's in trouble. I'm gonna be honest here.
I mean, maybe you're bringing back on the practice squad,
but he just seems like something because I mean is
I don't want to say ja Qui McMillan was bad
(23:02):
last year, but he was part of the weak link
in that defense. Mpja were with the weak links in
the defense, right, But I still think he's okay, And
so like I'm kind of wondering if you can have
Jade take the slot job and still keep Jaqui McMillan
on this roster as a reserve, rotational kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It takes. It takes a strong mentality to be able
to take that kind of demotion and still play up
to the level that you're capable of. But you know,
I feel like he's the kind of guy who's got
to get that aggressive, you know, mentality that they can
handle that. I think when you go to Dime that
he's going to have some some kind of role in that.
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't I don't see him not on this roster
and you know, interception today side. I just he's not
a bad player. He's a very good player. And last
year we were talking about like what a diamond in
the rough that they ended up finding as an undrafted
player to get sort of starting nickel for you. But
I do think with the drafting of ja Day, you
want to maybe give him a little bit of time
to make sure that that he's set and you know,
(23:55):
the speed of the game doesn't affect him too much.
And that's why we're I think gives you a little
insurance there but more than anything, I think he get
to some dime and he just he has the ability
to cover in short area and that's that's a big deal. Man,
that's a really big deal because especially when the league
has become yeah, you got your your long speed guys,
you have some guys they're going to test you over
the top. But so much of the so much of
the game now is it in between the sticks and
(24:17):
trying to get yack. And that's where guys like Jay
Kwan can be so significant for you.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Some of the stuff they were practicing today felt a
little niche from the offensive plays. I don't want to
get too deep into the specifics of it, but you know,
some of this stuff felt a little niche, like stuff
you're probably not going to run but once a month,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And maybe that is a little bit again to what
your point about the inconsistency of the offense. I mean,
it's like they were trying out some things today, Like
there were some try and some timing stuff that just
wasn't working. And I hesitate to say that's on bo.
I hesitated to say it's on the receiver. You just
don't really know. And I think oftentimes we in the
media will say, well, that just shows up as an
incomplete or a bad play. But then they go into
the you know, they go into the classroom and they say, well,
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this is why this didn't work. And actually just wanted
to see how this dB would reac to it. I
wanted to see how this receiver would react to the coverage.
I wanted to see, you know, how when the edge
rush got there, what Bow decided. Because he had a
nice scramble today during st I think is either high
red zone or was just outside of it. But he
had a nice scramble the right side. There's just some
it just it seemed a little disjointed to your point.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But again, this is the time.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But I don't know why, and I'm not going to
sit here and try to jump to conclusions. Some media
members will, and that's fine, that's that's kind of up
to them. Some people will tweet out even that it
was a bad bo next day. But I would never
do something like that because I ultimately look at it
in terms of the big picture.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm and and you know the beautiful thing about it.
To your point, and I actually will give your credit
on this. I hate doing it, but I Will It's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We don't actually have to grade bo Nicks on the
daily basis in a quarterback competition, We don't, you know,
It's it's just he's the guy. He's been good and
he has earned the job, and nobody's debating that anymore.
So it's not in any danger of losing the job now.
Now it's just more about how is the offense functioning,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The ebbs and flows of Hey, we had a you know,
this just kind of wasn't a great day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But there's a standard. There's a standard that we can
expect and we should expect. And I think so far
through most of the off season I've noted on my show,
if noted on your show as well, and you have
as well. It just there they have raised the floor,
like the offense overall, and I don't think you were
going to argue with me on that the overall floor
of the offense is much higher. They seem to be
a cleaner operation in general. Today it was just sort
(26:26):
of a kind of a weird day. But I'm fascinated
to see again day two what they ultimately kind of
dial back and say, all right, well, you know, we
tried a few things yesterday they didn't quite work. Let's
see if we can get back into a little bit
more of our bread and butter do.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And that's sort of what like mandatory mini camp is
a conditioning check for coaches, right, it's the coaches to
do a conditioning check on players, really and then you know,
or a mental check maybe on some of the young
players and see how much of it drinking through a
fire hose, how much of it they were able to
handle again, Yeah, And then that's the thing. We're hopefully
far removed from the days where we're charting passes and
(27:00):
you know, in camp and and all that kind of stuff.
At the end of the day, I mean, it's practice.
They're trying some stuff out. That kind of stuff just
won a great day to day. Okay, cool, go go
study the tape, figure out why, and come back tomorrow
and try something different. By the way, really quick, the JK.
Dobbins deal is actually a.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
One year, two point seven four five million dollar contract
with two and a half million in.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Sentatives to get up to five two five. Yeah. I
wanted to throw that out there. We got there in
case we were Yes, that is that is the case.
And I think that's a good deal. Like that's you know,
I think most of those incentives are easy to hit, too.
There's one or two in there. I think that there's
a there's a snap count percentage that I don't think
he's gonna hit, But the rest of it is probably
pretty pretty attainable. I want to shift gears a little
(27:40):
bit here. Aaron Rodgers obviously signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers,
finally ending the will he won't he uh because nobody
else wants him, of it all, he was very obviously
waiting at despite what he's saying now, he was very
obviously waiting out to Minnesota Vikings, who had no interest
in bringing him in. How do you think this Rogers
(28:01):
and Pittsburgh thing goes? Because I look at this thing
and it feels like a recipe for disaster to me.
Do wear on the same page?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
In fact, Dave Logan and I keep going back and
forth because he thinks it's a really good signing for
Pittsburgh and I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't see it the same way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And it's not to say because I think Pittsburgh has
just developed a level of competency when they play football,
And I even kind of cracked, and I sort of
believe it, But I kind of cracked that with Mason
Rudolph and Will Howard, I think they would have had
a chance to get to ten wins because it's just
who they are. They just find a way to get
to nine or ten wins every single season. And the
(28:37):
moment you sort of bet against him, Duck Hodges goes
out there and wins games for him. So I just
feel like there's a level. It's kind of like when
I'm starting to believe it with Minnesota, right, I mean,
there's Kevin O'Connell. He just has a way of coaching
and they have a way of running things that they're
just not gonna be a bad team. They're gonna they
maybe have some off moments, but they're not gonna be
a bad team overall. So I'd say with Mike Tomlin,
who is a much longer stretch, obviously, they've just up
(29:00):
a level of consistency. But that being said, you know,
Aaron Rodgers is his personality thing, right, and maybe you
talk about his abilities and what they are. I thought
there were some moments last year with the Jets where
he still showed some again some understanding that he could
still play. But I told I can't remember who I
(29:20):
said this to on the show the other day, I said,
they had no pressure on them. You know, when he's
hitting Devanta Adams on these deep passes and they're scoring
these touchdowns at the end of the season for what
it was, completely meaningless, like they're playing with no pressure
whatsoever on them. Now, you know, Dave pushed back and said, well,
he's used to playing with pressure. I agreed, But this
is forty one year old Aaron Rodgers coming off of
(29:41):
a significant injury about a year two years removed. And
I don't know, man, I just I wonder about the personality.
I wonder about the expectations, and people are gonna probably
be over the moon thinking that this is the quarterback
that they've been missing since Ben Roethlisberger, and even if
it is a short term kind of deal, they probably
have high expectations of of a deep playoff run. I'm
(30:04):
not so sure, man, I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah. For me, it's you know, it's sort of it's interesting.
I don't necessarily agreed to make the playoffs with with
Mason Rudolph. He's the hashtag not good, but I think
they you run the ball and play great defense, but
can like that offensive line is not good. But they
have made the playoffs with Race and Rudolph. That's the
problem is if people say that and then it's like, actually,
(30:27):
do you remember the seasons when Mason Rudolph closed for them? Yeah,
I don't know. I like looking at the it's funny
some of the reporting out there because they had no
intention of ever keeping fields or Russell Wilson. That's interesting
because there's reporting out there that field field was they
had no interest in keeping justin fields. Uh, and you
know that's they're just trying to be nice about. Yeah,
(30:48):
the play and see was Aaron Rodgers. That's which is malarkey,
not Mike Malarkey, the coach. Just absolute malarchy in the
sense that it's it's nonsense. If they would have they
would have offered him something. The looking at that tea,
he's such a you know, and to all to his credit,
(31:09):
he's a decent teammate. People inside the locker room say
he's fine, you know, inside the locker room, but he's
such a lightning rod for controversy. Was saying, there's some
of the dumbest things you can you can possibly imagine.
And then you know, on top of that the declining play,
and it has been declining play. Now you're in an
offense that you don't even know. You've never been in
this offense before. Arthur smith offense is not the Laflor offense.
(31:31):
And I realized that they had overlap of Tennessee together,
but they're wildly different offenses. I don't know that Aaron
Rodgers is going to be a dump it down to
the running back guy like they want, uh, you know,
run the ball a lot, dump it down to the
running back a lot, hit the tight end off play action,
you know, and then try to set up a deep
crosser later on. Rodgers has always been I want to
I want to play yolo ball with the deep you know,
the dee baisill routes. I just don't see how he's
(31:53):
a fit for what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm with you, and the fact is is you actually
have a bit of a downgrade receiver off k Metcalf
and Pat Fryermouth. But you had Garrett Wilson, you had
DeVante Adams last year, plus you had Allen Lazard whatever
he had left, and and you you believed in that
and yeah, I'd say it was relatively comparable in their
running game, even though Bretze Hall didn't really have much
of a season last year.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know, man, I think you hit it right
there when you're talking about the fits. You're talking about
him coming into this offense and late into the process.
I mean, he'll he has gotten, you know, next several
weeks to get ready for training camp. But I don't know, man,
I see more of the pitfalls here. But maybe I'll
be proven wrong. And uh, there's certainly certainly a lot
(32:38):
of excitement for what he can bring the tough division.
It's one of maybe the toughest division, with a lot
of teams that sort of expect to be better this year,
the Ravens being the one of them. The Bengals actually
getting to the postseason, so well, that's that's another thing, Bengals.
You still got the rookie and the the other and
Hendrickson won't show up. You've got your your star defensive player,
the only really honestly good defensive player you have. You
(32:59):
got your rookie, your first round rookie who you also
haven't signed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Do you see his quote today? No, I saw some
people buzzing about it. I just had a chance to
go look at it yet, something about you know, but
I don't know that I would have aired that grievance necessarily.
I wouldn't have either. The quote you pull it up
real quick. He said, I'm one hundred percent right, So
basically he's holding out again. Man training of the campus said,
I'm a hundred percent right. It should be a no brainer.
(33:24):
In Trey's case, it should be a no brainer too.
I'm not asking for nothing y'all have never done before.
But y'all the Bengals just want to win arguments more
than winning games. In my opinion, that's from your rookie
first round pick, and that's a way to start off
your relationship with that. Wow. Yeah me. Meanwhile, you got
James Cook showing up in Buffalo. You do saying, you know,
it's all business, no hard feelings, all that kind of stuff.
(33:45):
Cousins gave great quotes on the Michael Panick situation, you
know there that he's just there to support. We'll see
how that shakes out of that contracts borderline unmovable with
all that kind of stuff. I appreciate you stepping in
to step up to the plate and get in the
hot seat here to talk about Boenix's terrible, terrible Kno,
I'm just kidding, gum kidding, I'm kidding. I appreciate you
stepping in though anytime. Brother. Yeah, you guys listening to
(34:07):
Broncos Country tonight. It's obviously the short show host Rockies edition.
We'll be back at the same concept tomorrow. Appciate you
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