06-12-24 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight

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If Broncos Country Tonight, our tacklehere helping receivers. Let's go on the
official home of the Broncos. Goall right, all night, Kowa.
Welcome back to it, Broncos CountryTonight. Benjamin Albright mcferguson, Shannon Scott

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in back there behind the glass lovegiving shan In a hard time. Go
North Dakota. The show between thebreaks is fascinating. Five six six times
zeros and text line. You guyswant to get involved in conversation and complain
more about North Dakota. It's weird, but I'm here for it. I
don't know if you saw this story. Broncos edge rusher Baron Browning is giving

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away a share of future earnings forten dollars. Professional athletes these days,
they're more creative than ever when itcomes to making money, and you know,
whether it's endorsements or currency like SaquonBarkley deferring a salary weight down the
line, like show you a tani. Everybody's looking for ways to achieve their
own financial goals. Enter Baron Browning. He is offering fans a nique way

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to get a share of his earningson his next contract for the price of
a couple cups of coffee. Browning, in conjunction with vestibule is sharing,
is selling shares of his future earningsat ten dollars a share. Now they
have one hundred thousand shares, whichostensibly would raise a million dollars if they
all sold, and in return,shareholders are entitled to a collective one percent

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of his future on field earnings.Browning is in the final year of a
four year, four point seven milliondollar rookie deal, so he should be
in line for a pay raise ona second contract. He is at the
edge where you know, he paya little bit of a premium, so
it's not unreasonable to think that hecould get a long term deal. It

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pays him over ten million dollars ayear. But the according to the Seattle
Times, investors will get month leaddividend checks and the ability to trade their
shares on Vestable's trading platform. Butthe math here doesn't necessarily seem to be
mathing, as my napkin math heresays that Browning would have to earn one
hundred thousand dollars or more just tomake your money back on dividends. Excuse

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me, a hundred million or moreto make your money back on dividends.
This company is started by two forOklahoma State players, both of whom were
in the NFL briefly. In Vestable, Inc. Is a waiting qualification by
the US Securities and Exchange Commercial Commissionto introduce an investment platform to allow fans

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to buy and show sell shares infuture income streams of college and professional athletes.
Baron Browning is the first one they'vesigned. It is the brainchild of
Parker Graham and Eve's Buttoba, whoare former teams of teammates at Oklahoma State
more than a decade ago. Eachhad a brief stint in the NFL.
Gram was an offensive tackle for theBaltimore Ravens and Betobo was the Miami Dolphins

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assistant director of Player Toopment for severalyears. So it interesting because to me
this sounds reminiscent of something back inthe day that you remember Arian Foster,
Vernon Davis, and EJ. Manueldid with a company called Fantex, where
Foster got ten million dollars in exchangefor a Fantex's right to twenty percent of

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his future earnings. Davis did fourmillion for ten percent, and the company
ended up going bankrupt later, itnever got off the ground as far as
it goes. It's not actual stockyou're buying and selling because it's legally not
a thing, so it's like asecurity, so similar to buying and selling
like a cryptocurrency or that kind ofthing, except with this event, are
you in any way interested in buyinginto Baron Browning's earnings? Not me personally.

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And I can see where things arechanging because we live in a society
where it's evolution, Like no oneever thought that cryptocurrency would be a thing,
and I remember before cryptocurrency what itwas, EFTs was supposed to be
that next big thing, and itnever really picked up the way that it
was supposed to or it was projectedto pick up. But look, I'm

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all for trying new creative ways tochange how fans kind of engage with their
favorite player. And let's be totallyhonest with I guess the influx of fantasy
football and baseball and what have youfans already think that they own you.
I mean, look, when Iplay for the Different Broncos, we were
playing against the Miami Dolphins and ouroffense was not doing well that day,

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and we had our short companies ondefensive side of the ball. And I
do recall a fan yelling at AlWilson telling him to turn around, and
then he got all of our attentionwhen he said, you turn around,
and I pay your paycheck. ButI'm only giving you the PC version.

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Imagine it's like fifteen defensive players he'stalking to one, but all of us
turn around, because, like youknow, fans feel as though they sharing
your experience as a player, anda part of them owns you, right,
And that's something we've we've talked abouton this show. We had a
great conversation with Shelby Harris a fewyears ago about that. You know what
it is if fan buys a ticket, what it actually entitles them to.

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And I don't think, I don'tthink that it entitles you to abuse someone
else. You know, if youwant to yell something, I don't know.
I don't know where that line beginsit ends, But for me,
I would never personally yell something derogatory. See that's that's hue. But some
fans feel as though the ticket priceshave gone up and if I am paying

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for myself, my business partner,my friends from out of town, or
my kids. I'm paying premium pricefor a premium seat to watch me play,
to watch someone else play, butI should be able to talk premium
cash money bull crack, Right,That's what I think. I think everybody's
got a podcast these days. Youused or a podcast up to do that.
I don't think you need to bringthat. You know, I'm not

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bringing. I'm not going to yourjob and telling you what a whanker you
are for not being able to pumpmy gas. Right. But for them
it's different because can I say theword I don't, Well, you've already
said it, so, I meanhe's already done. Chanon is looking at
me. But the thing is right, when fans go to games, they
like this is part of the fanexperience. I have the right to boo

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the other team. I have theright to even criticize my own players that
I cheer for on my own team. I tend to agree with all that.
But I think for me, there'sa line. There is a line
for me, you know, Ithink there is if you're saying something that
would be considered you know, outof bounce or hate speech or any that
kind of stuff. I feel like, no, man that he was it
on Ted Lasso. Remember the guysays something that he goes up in the

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crowd and you know, and getsinto the altercation with him. Then he
gets suspended from the game. Hecan't go up in the crowd. But
I mean there comes a point wherethere does have to be some sort of
guardrail there, right, well,there has to be some form of guard
But what is being suggested, evena baron Browning. To me, that's
essentially you know, puts a lotof puts more pressure on the player himself

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because there's already fantasy football out thereand get you get the sports books involved,
and you have fans now owning onepercent of whatever it is of your
sold even though in the grands giveme things, it's not a lot.
But to me, it opens playersfor I guess unsanctioned criticism that we know,

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because people could be really brutal.Oh yeah, you've seen it.
I have seen it. I've personallyseen it. H yeah, I'm talking
to the right person. But doyou think that this, to get back
to the topic at hand, doyou think that investing in his future earnings?
Do you think that, first ofall, is it even economically viable
here? I mean that's the biggestquestion. This is an audacious thing.
Browning gets eighty percent of the thingraised, the company gets twenty percent,

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and then you get a dividend basedon the percentage of shares that you own
of his earnings every month paid outto you. I don't know. I
mean, it seems simple enough.And you're gambling on and I say gambling,
that's a loose term. There youryour investment. You're investing in whether
or not you think a player isgoing to make a significant amount of money,
you know, at a certain point, And that's that is this economic

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vible. Does this give you aticket to be able to say whatever you
want to Baron Browning for those payingYes, Like if I'm buying up shares
a Baron brown like the you know, first of all, am I even
allowed to do that? I feellike, if I'm buying shares a Baron
Browning, I don't think I shouldbe in the locker room talking to Baron
Browning. Well, see, that'swhere the conundrum lies. Like, if

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you are part of the media andyou are you dabbled in that, then
to me, that's kind of aconflict of interest in the sense, Yeah,
is there insider trading involveding like ifsomebody like me who knows what some
of these contracts are going to beahead of time, like, is that
insider trading, Well, it couldbe, especially if you're inside and you're
trying to get that information on whetherhe's going to play or not in a

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particular game, right, and ifhe doesn't play, it affects your overall
revenue, your overall outcome, Soit can be perceived in that particular way.
Now, if I'm understanding this correctly, Baron would get his eighty percent,
the company would get that twenty percent. The only thing that's kind of
uncertain is the individuals who bought intothe shares. Well, this is regulated

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by the SEC, so they'll beliable for the company will be liable for
this for the money. Now,it would be distributed as a monthly dividend.
So basically his monthly check, onepercent of his monthly check goes to
this company, who splits up thatcheck and pays it out to shareholders.
Because the money that the shared shotthe stocks were already bought, right,

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the shares were already bought, thatmoney's already paid out to the company into
Baron Browning the key here is thatthe money coming out of Baron's check one
percent every month and then divvied upamongst the shareholders. See once again is
like do you if you did thisyou thought it was economically FeAs it before
you, which I don't think itwould be for anyone. Now you're saying,

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okay, well Baron had four anda half sacks last year? Is
he going to make a massive jumpas his contract expires this season? To
even even make that even logical toanyone as far as saying, yeah,
I want one percent of his salary. And look, there are individuals who
would love to walk around and say, yep, that's my guy. Well
you oh you got the Broncos defenseon Fantasy No, no, no,

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you know I want one percent ofhis salary, right, And I mean,
like what at the end of theday, Because the math on this
is fairly simple. You know whatyou're buying up front, so you know
what your share is worth, andyou're hoping that he's going to make a
certain amount of money so that youmake a profit on that. You can
literally do the math on a napkin, and in this particular case, in
order for you to break even andBaron Browning is going to have to make

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one hundred million dollars, which iskind of quarterback territory. And how does
one put themselves in a realm ofeven being considered for that amount of money?
Benjamin Albright? What has to takeplace? You got to go out
there and play. I mean,you got to go out there and ball
out. You know, one hundredmillion dollars. I mean that's even with
today's salary cap. That's still toughfor an edge rusher. I mean,

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you know that's still not it's stillnot an easily obtained benchmark. No,
it's it's definitely not. Now ifyou're telling me that this is a way
that Baron BROWNI can personally kind ofbet on himself or incentivize his own production
outside of that of the team.He's trying to look like for some extra
motivation that we saw like Michael Jordanwith Evince stuff, you know, to

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make himself play better. If thisis one of those things, and it
actually gets Baron Browning to a pointwhere he's playing much better than he's playing
for his overall sack stats, man, I'm with it. I would say
sign me up for it, butno, my wife wouldn't allow me to
do that. Von Miller didn't crossthe one hundred million dollar threshold until he

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was thirty years old. He wastwenty nineteen when he crossed the core your
earnings mark of over a hundred milliondollars. For somebody to break it to
give an idea of what you needto accomplish in order to get there,
so that seems unlikely. But BaronBrowning is basically betting that he's not going
to make that amount of money,that he's going to get more money by
getting it upfront in this manner andthen be able to invest it in and
get the interest off the top ofthat. Oh listen, I love it.

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It's great to have a conversation aboutit. It's great to create somewhat
of a woh wow, are theyreally going to do that? Does that
really make sense to me? Ilove it for that point and that point
only, But I don't think thiswould be an ideal thing for someone to
actually do because financially, in myopinion and correct me from row, it

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really doesn't make sense where you're goingto actually get a hefty return or your
investment. Yeah, I mean you'rereally not. As a matter of fact,
Baron Browning is betting that he's notgoing to make a hundred million dollars
in his career because he loses moneyif he does with this setup. Right,
So he's betting that he's not goingto make a hundred million dollars in
his career, Well, most likelyhe's not, based on how the metrics

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and how things right, based onthe distributions here. So for me,
this seems like a ludicrous like onthe front, it's in front of it,
it's like, Okay, this isfun. And then when I start
doing the math to see if there'sa viable investment, then I'm like,
well, wait a minute, you'vegot a player who's betting he's not going
to make a certain amount of moneybecause at that point then he loses money.
M Yeah, I just want toyou know what made them sit down
and cook this up and go youknow what, Yeah, we're gonna hurt

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them with this one. Well,and then the idea, I guess is
that they have like this whole marketwhere you can trade stocks and shares and
they'll go up and down depending onwhat you know, just like real stocks,
So you might be able to makemoney or you know, that in
that kind of manner. To me, it would seem like the strategy here
would be to buy uh shares ofguys who are on rookie deals and hope
that they're about to cash in ontheir second deal, and then you turn

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around and sell after you know,you get the dividends off of that.
It's almost like fantasy football and beingin a dynasty league kinda yeah, just
like that, but with money involvedin a peculiar way. I I don't
know. I to me, thisis this is something that the law.
Longer I look at this, themore this seems like a bad venture.
And of course, you know,we talked about this a little bit,
but Arian Foster, Vernon Davis,and E. J. Manny were all
involved in something called Fantechs back intwenty fourteen that did something similar to this

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and it went bankrupt. They justdid not. First of all, they
couldn't get people to buy in,and then when it came they because they
paid the athletes up front, thenthey did the money to pay out.
Yeah, because there's so many variablesthat play a role in whether a player
is successful or not, and youreally you really don't know. Just think
think about fantasy football. We allwe all played fantasy football, some have

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in more leagues than the others.But how difficult from week to week is
it is to determine exactly how wellthe guy is going to perform? Because
for me, I don't know aboutyou. I've started guys and it was
the projections were great. They getinjured in the first quarter, then done.
How does that work with injury guarantees? You know, I have a
lot of questions about this. Acouple of good text messages that came in,
by the way, the three orthree steps. What if the Broncos

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just pay one hundred thousand dollars abuy back part of their own cash to
be fair? Like, that wouldbe some stuff. I would you know,
general manager Bitcham all right would belooking at that. You have a
lunch fund like, uh, youknow, actually, Baron, we're gonna
pay it two hundred million dollars.We're just gonna rake the money on the
back end, you know. Imean that's yeah, that that's just funny

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to me. And then the threesix l makes the point it's basically a
loan to the player, so hegets his money up front. That's basically
what it is when when you lookat it from that perspective, and you're
right it is. It's a loanto the player, but the player is
betting he's not going to make acertain dollar amount so that that loan doesn't
actually end up costing him money.He makes money on it. That's that's
the way this kind of works out. When we come back. Well,

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that's Parker gabro about it, alongwith the things he's seen there at Ota.
This Nobroncos country, k it's Broncoshelp on the official home of the
Broncos. All right, all right, Koa go back to it brock those

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country tonight, Benjamin Albright, NickFerguson Chance got back there. We're gonna
go right out to the KWA CommonSparrel hotline and bring on Parker Gabriel.
Parker, how you doing this evening? I'm doing great? How you guys?
Joe went pretty well? We werereally brought you on as our our
chief financial correspondent. Uh with BaronBrowning? Yeah, with Baron Browning stock
out there is this a bye byebye? I mean you are you are

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the Jim Kramer of Denver. Yeah, I think you've got the buy sign.
I'm not sure I would have giventhe same advice on the front end,
and I've been you know, clientside rather than you know, market
side or whatever. But yeah,certainly, certainly a stock up player in
terms of in terms of value,and he's healthy and he's gone into a

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year where last year or yeah,I mean he could he could make himself
a lot of money over the nextseveral months. So, Parker, I
was talking to Ben before you joinedus in our first segment and it had
a lot to do with Bo nagsand how some are saying, well,
Bo didn't have his you know,best, his best day being here with

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the Broncos. From your viewpoint,how do you view that and does it
change any viewpoint that you've already establishedabout Bo thus far? Yeah, No,
I think I I think I agreewith that. First of all.
You know, it just it wasn'ta banner day for the offense today overall,
and and Bonix certainly was was partof that. Like, you know,
I think you can say that itwasn't his most accurate day. You

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know, missed some stuff you shouldn'thave missed and all that. But like
the I put the same caveat onthat that I put on you know the
last few weeks when we've talked abouthim doing good things, which is that
like it's mini camp, it's Oka'sthere's no pads, like you're everybody has
those days when they're reallyled in in, days when they don't have their best

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stuff, and so like you know, today was a day where you know,
he was he was not crisp allthe time, but that's gonna happen.
Like it doesn't matter who you areor what position of your career you're
in. There's very few people whonever miss or never have a day where
it doesn't go your way. Andso, like you know it, it

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was one of those days where westarted looking around and go, oh,
it's not the greatest display of quarterbackand I've ever seen from any of those
guys. And at the same time, you're like, yeah, it's the
last day of school and they'll I'llbe back for it really counting here in
a few weeks. Well, oneperson who never misses is Park Gabriel.
That's why we have him. Onelook, it wasn't a matter day for
Bow. And I don't think thatBow has looked bad by any stretch.

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But I've started sort of in privateconversations calling him back foot bow a little
bit, because I've noticed a trendwhere he's starting to throw off his back
foot. He drops at orm angleand comes out of it a little Philip
rivers on some of these throws.You go back and look at the Oregon
tapec a little bit of that aswell. Is that a concern going forward
in the training camp? Yeah,I think it's well, I think maybe

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a little bit, ben But like, I think the way that I think
about it more is like we justdon't know what it's going to look like
in real competition exactly like some ofyou like it. Fundamentally speaking, you
want a quarterback who when it breaksdown, can can get outside the pocket,
can be athletic, can make plays. You want a quarterback who can

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make throws from different arm angles andall of that. What you don't want,
of course, is a quarterback whoplays too much off his back foot,
who too often is in that sortof low three quarter slot, who
you know, reacts too quickly tothe rush. Like these are all pieces
of the puzzle that in moderation arefine and in uh, you know,

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over consumption are problematic, and soyou know, you just don't I hate
to beat the drum of like wejust don't no, but like I've noticed
the same things that you're talking about. I'm interested to see how they manifest
even when there's pad done or whenthere's a joint practice or whatever. Like
we're just not going to see himget tackled very many times before he's in

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a preceding game. But I thinkyou get a little bit better sense for
is it good tools to have inthe tool belt or is it over alliance
on that stuff or bad habit inthat form? Will get a little better
sense of that, probably, likepretty early in training camp now, I
guess the biggest mussy for mini campwas calling Son. When would he show

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up? And what would he dowhen he actually shoved up and known as
though that it doesn't seem like adeal, isn't plays thus far for Coiling
coach Payton said that both he andColon had a conversation today and they're kind
of on the same page, andhe said, well, to quote him,
I would say that he that beingcalled in Son is important to us,

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and I think he knows that.How do you see this thing playing
out as far as training camp isconcerned? And do you think that Courtland
might hold out just to try topush things a little further. Yeah,
that's a good question. I meanat this point, like sitting here right
now, I'd be a little surprisedif Courtland, you know, wasn't here

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at the start of training camps.It's not impossible, but I just think,
like if he was here for themini camp, he and he said,
like I believe Courtland Sutton when hesays it was really hard for me
to miss OTAs I wanted to beout here with the guys and all that.
And I also think he just didn'twant to pay one hundred thousand fines
for the three days and so youknow, like I don't. I don't
think he's going to subject himself tothe possibility of find or discipline or whatever.

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And like I've never bought for asecond this offseason. It's like,
oh, maybe they'll cut him becausehedn't show up volunteer workouts. I mean,
that's pretty absurd, right, Likeif you weren't if you didn't like
what was on the table for atrade this or last year or whenever it
was, and you didn't cut himbefore free agency, there's no reason to
entertain those ideas, you know,just because he didn't show up for voluntary

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work, So like the rubbers reallygoing to meet the road, you know
when when training camp starts, Ithink he'll be around and I don't know,
I mean to me, now,you guys tell me, like I
I think that they're you know,maybe there is something modest to figure out.
To me, the question is just, you know, are the Broncos
going to really put like a marketextension in front of him? It's not

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impossible, but I suppose that wouldsurprise me. And then like, are
they willing to guarantee any money intwenty twenty five when he has no guaranteed
money? Maybe? Maybe not.I guess that would be my best read
on it at this point. I'dbe a little surprised. Yeah, And
I think that's really where the cruxof this thing comes down to Courtland.
Sutton wants them to make a commitmentto him going forward, and I think
the team seems a bit hesitant toto necessarily do that when they've got an

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out obviously after this season, talkingwith Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel
or Twitter covers the Broncos for thenever Post, I want to pivot a
little bit here to the defensive sideof the ball because I think that it's
weird how the defensive unit has beenthe unit that's carried the Broncos for the
last decade, but right now alleyes are on the offense, and obviously
so because the quarterback situation, butI feel like that this defense has the

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potential to once again carry the DenverBroncos. They were a unit that started
off pretty bad but started to figurethings out around mid season. You've had
some turnover, you lost a lotof experience, especially in that secondary with
Kjack and Justin gone now, butthey added some beef up front, and
you know, I've always been ahuge Jonathan Franklin Myers fan. I love
when that move got announced. Iwas jumping up it down. And Malcolm

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Roach is a guy I think playsreally well. You got Zach Allen,
you got DJ Jones. This thefront here all of a sudden looks like
something that maybe it hasn't been inquite some time. Yeah, I totally
agree with you. It's interesting becausewhen you think about, like when you
think about most of the replacements,you know, twenty twenty three to twenty
twenty four, I don't think thereare many of them where you can fundamentally

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say, you know, twenty twentyfour replacement is better than what they had
in twenty twenty three. Like,you know, Brandon Jones, nice player.
I think he's he does different thingsthan what Justin Simmons did, right,
Like you're not asking him to bethe same player, Like you're going
to be sort of versatile. Youwant to you know, they want to
be able to move their safeties andplay them in it really interchangeably. You

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know, Jonas Griffith, if he'shealthy, he can give you something that
Josie Jewell, you know, maybedidn't. But at the same time,
like he hasn't played a year anda half, so question mark right cornerback,
same thing, competition, but there'squestion marks. But like I'm almost
of the belief that what they didon the defensive line might like erase any

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of those deficits and more because theyhad it seems silly to say, but
like they had two pretty decent playerslast year in Zach Allen and DJ Jones,
and a bad group r it justthey really it couldn't stop the run.
They didn't pressure the passer, andI think It's one of those systems,
defensive lines of system where if youhave a weak link, it really

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not only did a week link,but it SAPs the strengths that you have
too. And you know, likeZach Allen's not a guy that should command
a double team all the time,but teams could double team them all the
time last year. And so likeyou just have this, the more guys
you can rotate, and then havinga bookend with Zach Allen, they can
play him at end where they wantto play him and put John Franklin Myers

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across from them, and have youknow, DJ and Malcolm roach in on
rundowns and and sort of beef inthe middle. I just to me,
like, you know, you gotto see him what pads on. But
that's the group that if the defenseis better in twenty four than twenty three,
even given the players that departed,the core players that departed, it
will be because their leaps and boundsbetter in the trenches than they were last

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year. So usually you finished outthe midicam with another day of practice,
but coach Sean Payton said he likeswhere his team is at this particular moment.
The way that you look at itdid this team needs, especially with
you know, having a quarterback battletwo of those guys being young guys,
that this was the right move forthe Broncos to eliminate that last day of
Mini caamp Oh. I mean,I don't know. I don't probably have

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like a hot take on that,but it's funny because I was thinking about
this, like I didn't I thoughtmaybe today we would see Greg Dulsic,
in part because Sean Payton sort oflike Sean Payton sort of like you know,
forecasted it a little bit right,he said, I don't think it'll
be Intel training camp that we seehim. And also then yesterday he said
there'll be a couple guys asked specificallyabout Greg, There'll be a couple guys

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that maybe do more tomorrow than theydid today. And so then like you
get there and you're like, oh, it's not practicing, and like my
first thought was, well, what'sreally one day? As it pertains to
like he's been out for months andall of that, and like how much
good is one day out there doingsome limited work really going to do them?
I mean, you could you couldtake that approach too, like whatever,

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it's one day, you know,the buoy and see that you get
from sending your guys out. Youknow, there were scheduled to be on
the field for like an hour andtwenty minutes tomorrow. So like, you
know, the buoyancy that you getfor cutting guys loose. You know,
it's the upside of that worth,you know, losing that amount of work
probably, I mean you're going backto installs when camp starts and all that.

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Anyways, and so like, youknow, if you could always go
back and say, man, maybewe would have found the magic bullet on
that last day of mini camp hadwe been out there. But I don't
I wasn't real surprised that he thathe bagged it for tomorrow. And you
know, move up the flight baby, twenty four hours. If you're in
the twenty four hour windows, seeif you can get out tonight instead of

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tomorrow morning. Talking with Parker Gabrielat Parker J. Gabriel on on Twitter,
Yeah, who is somebody that youwere eyeballing that maybe isn't getting enough
attention. I've kind of, youknow, kind of thought Riley Moss's name
out there a little bit. Lookslike they love him, looks like it's
gonna be They got big plans forhim withter he was largely ignored last year.
Who is somebody that you're you kindof got your eye on and that

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it looks like that this staff issaying, Hey, this is this is
gonna be our guy this year.Yeah, Oh that's a great question.
I mean, there's a bunch ofthem, there's so much there's so much
competition, and I think it's goingto be, Like I think, I
really think it's gonna be a funtraining camp in that regard. In terms
of competition, I don't necessarily knowthat the fact that they have a bunch
of guys competing at different spots meansthat all of the guys competing at those
spots are really good. But likethey have a bunch of wide open positions,

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So that's that's gonna be fun.I think, you know, like
I thought, Jolil mclosslin has lookedreally good so far this offseason. It
looks like he's put on a littlebit of weight and all of that.
I don't know. I still don'tlike, I don't necessarily buyther he's going
to be like a three down backand all that, But like I think
he looks like a guy who hasput himself in position to sort of make
that year one, two year ortwo jump. And then I don't know,

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you could call me on this forthe guy having too much buzz already
to count towards your question. Butit feels like every time we go out
there, Ben, I mean,it just looks to me like Devon Belay
no several good things every time wesee them play, and so like you
know, I'm not it's not likea Pukinakua situation, but like there are

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guys every year, receivers every yearthat you find on day three that you
go, how was this not moreof a no brainer? And like he's
just a guy who's going to havea chance to engender that thought for people.
Right, Like he's twenty six,he's not going to play fourteen years
in the league or whatever, butlike he's probably a guy in position to

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at least make a big push inAugust to see if he can't not only
make the team but be a guywho they count on. Well, it's
interesting, Parky, you talk aboutthat running back room, because there's going
to be a lot of competitive battlescome training camp here later in the summer,
and that running back room is definitelyone of those rooms where we're going
to see some great talent guys pushingone another. But he's still going to

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be one hell of a battle.But one guy that keeps popping in my
mind is Blake Watson. And youjust go back to watching what Blake was
like in college and knowing as though, here's another guy that has a chip
on his shoulders, and you justtalk about Jalil McLoughlin. These two players,
when you look at him from aspeed burst standpoint, it's almost like

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they're the same player. But weknow there's gonna be some tough decisions.
So I know it's early in theprocess. But if you had to say,
okay, well, which one ofthe guys coming out of Minnie camon
OTA's once again, I mean we'repainting with the kind of a broad brush,
But which guy would you say clearlyhas an edge? Yeah, that's
a good question. I mean,Julil obviously has the year of experience,
and the guy had one hundred andten touches last year as a role player,

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and so like, and the otherthing about McLoughlin, right, and
like, some guys get this labeland it's it's like, well, he's
not super athletic, or he's notthis, or he's not that, but
he works really hard, like Juliel'sgot burst and he works really hard,
you know, and he's small likehe it's hard to imagine him being like
a down in down out between thetackles every down, three down back just

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because of the size. Not tosay he can't, and that's it's not
like it's impossible for him to getto that, but like he I think
he's got the edge right now justfrom an experience standpoint. But I will
answer it this way, Nick,Like if you tell me that midway through
training camp, Blake Watson's not onlyshowing the things he's shown so far,

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but he's a natural in pass protection. Like you know, the pendulum can
swing pretty fast on that, andthat's Julil said. He needs to get
better at it. He needs tobe able to be reliable on that.
That's what samaj if Ryan did lastyear. He caught a lot of passes
and he passed protected consistently. Andso like you might say that Blake Watson
and Julia McLaughlin have similar skill setsthan they do, but Watson, if

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he's a guy that catches the ballof the backfield and pass protects. His
role might actually be closer to samajp Rhyme's role. So then you're like
Estime and Javonte, and then Watsonand p Ryan and then mcglaflin's kind of
the like joker ish and so thenout of that those five, how do
you pick? You know, three? Four at the absolute max, that's

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gonna be really tough. Love it, Parker, J. Gabriel, Denver
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