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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in the first hour.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Mister, part of that you get a Broncast Country to Do
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the free and redesigned now with presets, iHeart Radio app
where you get.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Take it forget a podcast as well. Whatever he decides
to do it, So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
During the break the news came on. Tony Manis was
reading the news and I grant, have you been.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Able to research this thing at all?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Because he was telling a story about the the the
water company Liquid Death. The water company, they're they're selling
bottles of Ozzy Osbourne pre ingested water.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, he has drank ten cans of Liquid Death iced tea.
I didn't know they made iced tea neither. And then
each can has been sealed and has been authenticated with
the metal icon signature that you can now purchase with
Ozzy Osbourne saliva for four and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I let me get this straight. Hold on, I
want to get this straight.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So this company is marketing you could buy cans of
iced tea that have Ozzie Osbourne's backwash in them.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Correct, But why because then once technology and federal law
permit fans can use this DNA to try to clone
Ozzy in the future and enjoy him of years to come.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Wait, so to get the can is four hundred and
fifty dollars technology changing?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Which it is? How much you think is going to
cost you to try to actually call him?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then if someone else has the same uh DNA
that you have, I mean you miss it out.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You got this guy's got the same. Guys you know you're.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Getting Ozzie's DNA out of there you could get anybody
anybody else was around it or.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I mean, like this just seems ludicrous to Is this
like a paternity test? This is ridiculous when someone goes
through the.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sperm break or something like because originally when ton is
reading the story, like wait, wait, wait, it has part
of Ossie's the caid, like what parts of the because
there's some parts of Ozzy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't you know? Yeah, I respect to it. You're
on a crazy train if you think that I'm gonna
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Saying I was thinking, how did they actually collect it?
And are you this neurotic as a fan that you
are thinking that far ahead to say, well, I'm going
to pay four hundred and fifty dollars for this can
with this alive on it, with the hopes of maybe
years from now cloning someone. You know what, that can
is going to outlive you. So are you going to
(02:24):
pass it down to your will to your kids? Hey man,
whatever you do, don't sell this can with saliva from
the Prince of darkness.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This just reminds you, like all the goofy stuff that
you can do out there, this reminds you that do
you guys see the Sydney Sweeney doctor Squatch.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Soap with the bathwater you can bathwater?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's a sow that was made out of part of
her bathwater that she got in what people?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
People are buying this hold on It is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Selling for one thousand, five hundred dollars on like this.
People bought it all up and now it's being resold.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Does it come with a certificate of authentication? That's all
the way, Because you're selling someone else's bath water.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You're selling her bath water.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So is it authentic in that you treat it just
like a sports memorabilion or do you not?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I guess like I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
If not, I mean then someone's getting someone foot water
we don't know, but you're paid a grand for it, I.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Mean grant tuber and in some cases like it sold
for as high as two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What has happened to us? As mighty?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Most bars of soap are currently selling between three and
eight hundred. The highest went out there right now is
fifteen hundred on eBay.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That just sold. So it's a bar soap in her bathwater.
It's a bar of soap, and that soap is made.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Out of part of her She took a bath and
they made soap out of their bath water.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Like some people paying money with it. So bizarre. I
don't even I mean, is it's your money, do what
you want?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But like, for real, can you imagine spending fifteen hundred
dollars on a bar of soap that someone bathed And.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I didn't justify that on your taxi? Like, listen, how
do you explain that? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If we do see your bath water soap, I volunteers
tribute here, you could buy my bath water.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Soap you take ane fast for you know, I all
have plenty.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
There's never any supply, but we're buying bath water that's
kind of factored into soap for a grand and two grand.
We're buying Osbourne's saliva and the can for four and
fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A can of liquid death is what two bucks? Three bucks?
But there's only ten of them out there. And then
you got the soap like a bar of Irish springs.
What a dollar?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I love you said Irish the cheap one, right, it's
usually they used to be the cheap one.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Meth household, so the cheap one.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Back in college, it was a cheap one, remember, like,
because they had had that, and they had lava remember
lava soap, Lava soap, sophisticated me.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You don't remember that? No, oh man, yeah, they had that.
I think that was the cheap soap back in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You when you came into some money, you started getting
dove soap because the moisturized, so you had lava soap
and dove soap. I just remember those being around back then.
And then you had I think a dial. Wasn't dial
one of the soaps.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't remember being cheap. Yeah, I'm just trying to
remember all the cheap soaps from back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, we know Sidney Sweeney's in cheap Yeah, the Doctor's
well it's already Doctor Squatch, which is fairly expensive.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, Doctor Squatch is decent soap. But then like
fifteen dollars, how bored do you have to be to buy?
You have to be.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
That.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I was like, it's really crams worthy for sure, Like
there's gotta be Yeah, this has got to be. I
don't even understand this stuff. I don't know somebody, somebody
could me in here because I don't even understand this stuff.
It's an understanding.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
La Lakers ten billion dollars. If you're going to do it,
you gotta use your pinky like billion, Yeah, you gotta
do like that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Here's one thing that's interesting about this whole sale. It
just tells me how far the Lakers organization has fallen.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Like when you follow what billion dollars?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I know it sounds bizarre, right, and the ten billion
is what you kind of kind of cling to. But
when we think about the Lakers and the late Jerry Buss,
how he started this team and I think he purchased
it for like maybe sixty seven point five million dollars,
and now almost forty plus years later, the team is
being sold. I know, it sounds great. It's being sold
(06:23):
to a guy who owns the Dodgers. Yeah, and what
does it say about that guy, Mark Walter?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, well he just did know the dot he has
like a professional hockey women's hockey team.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He's kind of like that owns like a little piece
of everything. Hey, that just's got deep pockets.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But just the thing if you're a Lakers fan to
know that your storied franchise is no longer going to
be in the hands of the great Jerry Buss or
someone in his family.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Just for a minute, he's dead, I know, but it's
still was in his family.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Though, it's still in the family, but it ain't the
same thing like having Pat Bowler on the Broncos was
one the same as having it in the family, Okay,
because there was so many individuals who had their hands
in the pot, jacking up the situation that that's.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What it was. I'm just saying because Busteed, was it
twenty was it thirteen, twelve, thirteen? Somewhere in there? Thank
you such. I think it's around about that time.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But once again, a story franchise that you grew up with,
you probably watched the game of your father now is
no longer going to be in the hands of a bus.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's in the hands of someone else.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Do we know the entire ownership group yet? Have details
come out on that? He's Magic, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It's I mean, he's the main when there's some other
minority like that, because Magic is a business partner. He's
like there's some other people that have small shares of
He's the guy, you know, as far as that, as
far as that stuff goes. Uh And and Mark Wlter
doesn't have deepockets. He doesn't have Rob Walton pockets. Rob
Walton's Walton Wilton's like the fifteenth or last person planet.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
First of all, if you're buying the Lakers for ten billion,
and you got to imagine, I don't even know what
the dodge.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was, He's not buying one hundred percent. He's buying a majority,
and he already owns a percentage of it. The valuation
is ten billion for the percentages buying. Still, that's a
lot of cake. Yeah, to pay fourteen that's a lot
of But here's what it does though, here's what it does.
Here's a great thing about it.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Everythingle franchise should get a bump. If you and Jerry Jones,
you got to be thinking, like, you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Know what whenever I want to sell the Dallas Cowboys,
even though.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
They hadn't won the championship in almost twenty plus years,
they still value very hot.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well that's what it's getting at. This is I mean,
because the Celtics sold.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
For six million, right, six billion? So excuse me billion, yes,
six billion. The Rays are going to sell for one
point seven billion. They're selling the race. So baseball franchise
about two billion dollars? Can it take football? You had
the Broncos and you had Washington bull sell for about
six billion. NBA franchises typically are not as valuable as
NFL franchises, but the two most storied NBA franchises in
(08:50):
Boston and La six billions. A little over six billion
for the Celtics, and I get a ten billion evaluation
of the Lakers. Do when Jerry does go to sell
the Cowboys, what are they going to value the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
The Okay, so here's the Cowboys value right now. So
when you look at the most valuable sports teams worldwide,
this is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Twenty twenty back in twenty twenty four, so it may
have change.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So the Cowboys lead all sports team and being worth
ten point one billion dollars right behind them the Golden
State Warriors at eight point eight billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Lord Lakers on it. Then let's see Walker already Walter already.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Owns Lakers number eight at seven point one.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh yeah, well, Walter already owned twenty six percent of
the team. So really he's buying like another twenty six
percent at a total team valuation of ten billion for
the share prices, I guess is how you're doing this?
So at twenty six percent, so he's really not spending
ten billion dollars, he's spending two and a half billion
dollars already. Share right, he's spending two and a half
billion dollars to get to a majority. So like that
(09:48):
that I, you know, I sort of understand the Bus
family's going to keep a minority share of the team.
They'll still own fifteen percent, but.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It's just still wild because if once again, if you
are an owner of the team, I know, the Broncos
right now worth five point one five point five billion dollars,
it's not like they're going to sell the team, but
the sale of the majority shares for the Los Angeles
Lakers and just put a smile on every single owner's
face and here's the thing about it. Once again, the
(10:15):
Dallas Cowboys that were ten point one billion dollars and
they haven't won anything. So if you are the Denver Broncos,
that has to be another incentive to keep winning, because
we could say, well, you know you love owner the team,
which I know the pinners they do, but you in
business to make money.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The Walton Pettigroup bought the Broncos at the the the
peak of the Fangio Hacket era. What would the Broncos
be worth now?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
See by low sell high right. And here's the great
thing about it. They're in the perfect spot. They found
the sweet spot because this team seemed as though they're
on the upkick, right, and they started winning playoff games.
They just start as to go to winning super Bowls.
The value therefore increase. I'm not saying that the pinners
(11:00):
are going to sell this team, but look at the
team just like you look at anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It is an investment. Well yeah, and it only keeps
going up again.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jerry Buss bought it for what sixty four million in
the cells Now they're selling for I mean there's money
hand over fist in terms of the improvement on this
mark Walter owns steaks in the Los Angeles Dodgers, the
LA Sparks, Premier League Club Chelsea and Soccer Professional Women's
Hockey League, Cadillac Formula One, several racing teams like this
guy has got got his hands his fingers in the pies.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Right, he got cash for days, cash owned debt, Grant
cash owned debt, cod right, not writing these checks.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm not to start selling my bath water with the
Irish spring smell in it. Yeah, I got a collapse
right there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, Iris Spring, I know how to up your share
price because it's like Grant Smith's bathwater. Mark Walter is
the CEO of Goggenheim Partners. They have three hundred and
twenty five billion dollars in assets, three d and twenty
five billion with a bee in assets.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sports franchises are going up. And when I think about basketball,
because if I'm not mistaken, obviously the NBA chang changed
the luxury tax roof, did they?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did they not? Then you changed?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think that they're a couple of years ago. Two
years ago they changed the luxury tax thresholds. Now it's like,
im possible to spend into the you know, end of
that Apron.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So I just kind of thought about, Okay, what what
what is this going to look like for the Lakers
moving forward? And I said, okay, well, this doesn't guarantee
that rob Link is still there. This probably is going
to effect the whole thing with Lebron and Luke.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I know, it does guarantee the Genie bus is going
to be there because she's staying on as a governor
for the seeable future.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Right because she still has somewhat of a minority steak
in the team fifteen percent ownership. Very smart not to
sell all of your steak in the team.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But this is going to change how we look.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
At sports, uh in the business of sports within itself.
But it also is going to change the infrastructure of
how the Lakers actually operate, and this move could for
us other teams to look at, you know, the financial
part of just like I don't know how true it is,
but there was something I read last week and it
was alleged that the Broncos brought some land.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Was it birming yard?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, they bought Yeah, they bought some They bought some
land at the old railroad yard or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
So it's going to change how owners with deep pockets
how they operate. Because now if you the Lakers, knowing
as though you have an owner who is buying the
majority state, he can do more because of his deep
pockets to kind of lure free agents to La not
like you need to be able to try.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
To lure people there.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well yeah, but I mean you got to pay a
little more because California state taxed, so you know you
usually got to pay a little more.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
You know for Laker the taxes, cross the living, offset
the traffic, right, all of that.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's one of those things because would you rather go
to Spurs we got no state tax? We really go
to California where you know they're taking a big bite out,
so San Antonio. You know, there's the reason Kevin Durant
wants to go to San Antonio. So you know, I
think there's I think you're too that that's said. I mean,
having that infusion of cash will probably allow them to
be able to sign Luca back. I was something a
lot of people were worried about, like Donci just you know,
(14:18):
getting the trade, but then him sign would he even
sign back there?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
If I'm Luca, I.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Would definitely really think about it and consider it because
the factors that we just name, and then once again
who you're supporting, supporting cast because LA has always had
a star and the expectations in LA is similar to
what they are here in Broncos Country. You expect to
play for a championship. So if Luca stays in LA,
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who is this?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Who is this? Who's this? Robin? Because how long is
Lebron gonna play? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And and if I'm him, I'm thinking about possibly going
somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, because I mean, you know how much is Lebron
gonna stick around? Bronnie, ain't it? What are you're gonna be?
It's gonna be you at Dalton connect and Riyacham Nope,
be honest. And Luca No, I've always rooted for this
because I've always wanted to see this as a basketball fan.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Luca and the Kole Yeah, together, That's what I want
to see.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But not in l A No, no, no, no, I'm
talking about here.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, move some pieces around. I mean, could you could
you even do that? Could you even pull that off?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I don't know if it's possible, but I would love
to see that duo combination.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I wouldn't mind it. I would I would mind seeing
that that out here think could be fun Roccos country.
Now we got hit a break. We'll be back up
to this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. You
guys want to get involved the conversation. Talk a little
bit about Lakers sale uh.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
In the last segment, Nick, you had some thoughts so
on a different franchise, Greg Popovich and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, you know what, For me, it's always how do
you measure a man?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
What's the true measure of a man? And that goes
back to being a leader, a father, and being a coach.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And while I.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Don't always agree with Greg Papovich on everything, I believe
in his relationship with his players because that's almost important.
And when you think about what he's been able to
do as a as a coach, and I know he's
no longer a coach and now he stepped away for
a moment. But Jontay Murray, right, here's a guy who
(16:28):
was going through it and lock a lot of African
American athletes. They come from, you know, cities that kind
of run down and there's violence and all of that.
But I want you to listen to what he said,
and this personifies what a coach a leader and a
man should be.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
He was like a father figure. There's it's so many stories.
And if he was able to come sit here and talk,
he'd tell you he's never had a player come in
his office that cried on his shoulder from how many
murders he had to deal with back home in Seattle,
how many funerals I.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Had to pay for. It was so crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
A lot of my people don't even notice from family
friends in the penitentiary. Pop didn't want me to go
to Seattle. When I first got drafted. I wouldn't go
to Seattle. And that was a man that cared about me.
That was a man that wanted me to reach my
full potential in life first, but then as a basketball player.
He's so really tried to move my mom to San
Antonio with his own money after she got shot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
My mama shot in the.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Leg my rookie year. He called her himself, without me
knowing until after the fact, we want to move you here. No, No,
not with his money, with my money. That sounded like
a dude that cared about me and loved me right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And that's Javonte Murray who plays for the San Antonio Spurs,
and that is courtesy of the Pivot podcast. But when
I heard that, I just thought it just kind of
melted me inside as a former player and a former coach,
because this is the type of relationship you want.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
With your players. It is. We always hear in sports.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
That father's son relationship between coach and player, and I've
never heard a story like this. I've heard of coaches
doing a number of things for their player, but not
to the magnitude of this, where Pop was willing to
move Javontae Murray's mom with his own money because of
the environment that she was living.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
In, because I know he had to think, Okay, well.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I don't want Murray, my player worried about his mom
because he will not be able to go out there
and do his job. But I just thought this was
an amazing thing, and this is a true measurement of
someone when they're willing to do things that.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
They don't have to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
First of all, I can't say enough great things about
Pop just what he did over the years. But I
don't want to lean into the conspiracy theory for a moment,
since you're a conspiracy guy, you know, Greg Popovich. When
he got back to the Spurs. He was not the coach.
Bob Hill was coach. And Bob Hill had gone sixty
two and twenty and fifty nine and twenty three and
back to back years. And he started off the ninety
(19:01):
six to ninety seven season going three and fifteen, largely
because they had major injuries that year that started off
the season. You had David Robinson who was hurt, Seot
Elliott who was hurt, and so they started off three
to fifteen because they didn't have a lot of players. Pop
fires him and takes over and they go on to
win all that and Bob Hill was extremely upset and
angry about that because he felt like they put together
(19:24):
this team and then Pop sort of took credit for it. Now,
in his defense, Bob Hill lost to the conference finals
in the semifinals those two years. I mean, granted, they
had a hell of a winning percentage there. I mean
he won sixty fifty nine games in sixty two games.
You know, had winning percentage. They had a good team,
But Bob Hill was super upset about that. Then he
wound up going to Fordham couldn't win there. Which of
(19:46):
the Seattle size could win there? So it kind of
you know, sort of didn't work out for Bob Hill
in the end. But did you did you ever think
this Pop looked at this and said, man, I've got
a team here, I've got a chance to make myself.
Or do you think that he felt that Bob Hill
was not really coaching this team to their potential.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
He probably felt that Hill was not coaching the team
to his potential. And all it is is, look at
what Pop has been able to do as the head
coach of the San Antonio Spurs. It's the Spurs became
like the focal point of international basketball with so many
international players that they have, and they're even doubling down
down with it again with when Byama being there.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And this just goes.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Back to the type of person you are, the type
of culture that you want to set, because just think
about it, he noticed that the team was not going
in a different in the right direction. So however it
came become hook by hook a crook, you gotta get
it someone else out so you can get in right
and change the history of that organization.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Because think about it this way.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
If Papavich never becomes the head coach of the Santonio.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Spurs, do they go on the run that they went on.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Does David Robinson actually finally wins a ring?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, that's the question, because they were you know, they
were a sixty win basketball team for the two.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Seasons prior to pop take it over.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now they went three and fifteen again because the injuries
to Elliott and David Robinson. But yeah, I mean Bob
Hill is he the most unlucky person on the face
of the planet getting fired at going three and fifteen
with the injuries. Oh, by the way, when he went
to then he went to four Dam he tried to
break Spush Parker and all those playground players and you
remember that, and that that blew up, and then he
went to the Seattle Sonics. He was the last head
(21:26):
coach of the Seattle SuperSonics. He was fired over the phone.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, that says a lot about what the organization actually
thought of him as as a coach to have that happen.
But I mean Greg Popovich, I mean Hall of Fame
coach when in his own right, and if there was
a Hall of Fame award that a coach can be
given based on how he feels about his players and
(21:56):
feels that they are family, that too, or would go
to Greg Pablovis, because once again, I've been on a
lot of players and I've said to myself, I think
of some of these coaches and they've been like father
figures up to me. Wade Phillips I considered to be
one of those individuals but never doing something.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And Wade did.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Something for me that definitely changed my life in my
career by giving me my opportunity in Buffalo. But to
know that a coach was willing to spend his own
money to move a player who was well capable financially
to move his own mom, but he was willing to
do that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
You don't see that every day.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And I'll say this, if we all can take a
piece of that story in the willingness to help other people. Man,
just imagine how much better our lives are being rich,
but how much better our society would be if we
decided that we wanted to be involved in changing the
lives of other people.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Bob was He did that for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's something His humanitarian work is something that probably went
a lot of to the radar. He was big with
the Santao Food Bank Insistance Project. Shoes that Fit, he
delivered shoes for two hundred students that were affected by
Hurricanes Irma and Maria. For these kids didn't have shoes,
so he went out bought two hundred pairs of shoes
make sure they had shoes. Helped raise funds for the JPHRO,
which is a disaster relief program in Haiti, and he had,
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you know, several disaster relief programs.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
All that cats stiff.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It just heart of gold type stuff, you know, like
he didn't have to go do all that stuff, but
he invested himself in making the lives of people better,
you know. So I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right. In
terms of being a Hall of Fame person, that's about
as good as the cats.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It is, because we hear people talk about that life,
how they being part of the community and being a
philanthropists or whatever, and they're only doing it because it's
part of their polls as a head coach or maybe
a player. Well here's a guy who actually lived it,
and he whether you liked everything he said or not.
(23:57):
And you know, Pop got into some political stuff. Well,
to me, his heart was always in the right place
because he was thinking about others more than he was
thinking about himself. And this is why I've never met
great Papavish before. But this is why I love everything
about his approach because it was all about other people
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and sell them.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
In life, when you.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Reach a certain point where you are a great publisht
you won a couple of titles and you have a
great bank account, sometimes you don't think about other people.
But it's great to know that there are people out
there like Pop were willing to make those financial sacrifices
for other people.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, that's that's just great.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And you know, having knowing that that coach is that
invested in you, I mean as a player. I mean
that's got to be something that when we talk about
buy in in this case literally buying, but I mean
when you talk about buy in this I don't I
don't think there's any other way to even frame.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That because you know he's invested in you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Well, you know what not to say that mister Bolan
has ever offered to do that, or Mike Shanahan has
offered to do that. They had other ways to make
you feel as though you were part of the family.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's one of those.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Reasons, man, I love being here and playing for the
Denver Broncos in the organization, and I oftentimes played injured,
not hurt injured. There's a difference between the two because
how they made me feel as a player and being
a member of this family. Now this may say it
sound like it's I guess I'm being a homer and
(25:33):
saying what I'm saying because we're here in Denver, but
I truly believe this inside and out. Playing for this organization,
playing for this fan base is one of the better
things that I've ever done.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
In my life because it made me feel.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
As though and when we're talking about a kid coming
out of inner city, right that I felt as though
I had a family, the guys in the locker room,
the people upstairs, a coaching staff, and I know football
is a business, but still I felt like I was
part of the family. That's why when my departure took place,
it was so upsett. He was sort of like what
(26:07):
we saw from von Miller but when he left the team.
But I just go back to treat people how you want,
how you yourself want to be treated. And I'll add this,
See one thing I don't like. I don't like fake people.
I don't want people to pretend that we're cool when
we're not. And the one thing I can say about
that organization from top to bottom, I never felt like
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they were pretending to be something they weren't. They weren't
and they were just trying to make me feel part
of the team because I.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Was a player. It was just a family atmosphere. Well,
I mean, and that's got to be I mean, that's
got to be big.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You know, having that peace of mind in your work environment,
you know, and having that sort of relationship in your
work environment, that's got to be a big, you know,
big thing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like home life could be chaotic as hell, but knowing
as though your sanctuary going into that building with your players,
doing your thing, being a professional athlete, all those things
going to go away as far as all the challenges
of life.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Man to me, that's why I miss it. Yeah, that's
why I miss it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
There's some you know, in the Army, there's sort of
the spirity corps where you're you know, it's your family,
you know, those kinds of things. But it could be
you could have bad environments there of course, like with
any team, you could have bad environments, could invite all
that kind of stuff. But there is and you you
sort of miss that. It's your family away from your family,
and you kind of that. You get to a point where,
if it's a good environment, you kind of enjoy going
you know what.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I've never been in the military RGC, but it's
like having a drill sergeant when you're going through basic
that you may hate, but after you get through basic.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now there's appreciation for it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, and I have one of those like, yeah, I
had him because he rode I mean he you know,
rode me to but he was like, I see the
best thing you and I can. You can get your
coasting by on ability and you can be better, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Gonna make you better. Was it like Officer and Gentlemen?
I remember there's that the Richard Gear, But I didn't
watch someone what never watched Wait wait, wait, hold on,
hold on. That was at the high Richard Gear Gerbilmania Grant.
Have you ever see only you?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Only you would just kind of redirect the cover a
different place.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But have you ever seen Officer and Gentleman? Never seen it?
Oh dude, man, you got you gotta go watch that.
I never watched that one.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that's that's one of those one of those movies
I just never got around to dude, is it on
like Netflix or something right now?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I watch it.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
You have to to watch it, because what we're describing
right now is that that that's what happened with his
his guy in basin. He hated him so much, but
then after everything took place, there was a love and
appreciation for what he took him through.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I can't believe you guys haven't seen The Officer and Gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, great, you should watch with your wife. It's one
of those like it's kind of like it's not a
rom com right like that, but it's got to go.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's a feel good story. Looks like it's on prime video. Okay,
all right, well I've got I've got one of those.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Like in nineteen eighty two, classically, I thought it was
newer than that We Belonged.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That was the song that was the type of all love,
lift me up, where we belong.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Come on, man, I.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Can't tell me you got that. We are definitely replaying that.
I can't carry saying that I just haven't. But then
you guys haven't seen like movie. There are movies that
I'm like, how have you not seen this movie? I remember,
like I was talking to Ryan about love Actually, he's
never seen.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It that brand. Have you seen love actually? Which one
is that with you? Okay?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's a Christmas movie, right, yeah, yeah, it's not a
Chris it's every it's an everyday movie.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a movie that around Christmas.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Set around if you like did And I'm surprised that
Ben actually saw.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It because we know how he feels about love, right,
Love actually is all around.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If you're listening, if you haven't seen it, if you're
dating right now, I employ you to put that on
for your girlfriend or your wife.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Man, who's going to get you some brownie point?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, you talk about love actually, your officer and gentleman,
No no, because the one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No no no. If you want brown points love actually okay.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, and you you'll and it's a dude you can enjoy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's funny, like there's there's humor to it like it is.
It is human to it. And the character of Billy
mackis loosely based on me.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So it's where your personality is loosely based on exactly me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Basically I stole everything that I did from his character
in that movie. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's yeah. Anyway,
five six six nine zeros in touch.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But I mean that's one of those things like there
are there are movies that we haven't seen that you're like,
really haven't seen that we have to ask for me
being because she's she's be coming up here to a
little that she's seen.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Observe the gentlemen. The notebook. I've seen the Notebook. It's
just a it's eh, it's overrated. Wow, got me teared up. Overrated.
I didn't cry, but I got choked up.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well that's because you don't cry. Get in touch with
your emotions. Ferguson, it's not like it's not for the.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Podcast, and talk to you all about the almost broke
him on last episode. He almost gotten me.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, Grant has been the only person I know has
been the closest.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You got me choked up when you did when I
when I was on her, you got me, you got
me choked up on almost got me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Grants a good interviewer, man, But I held tight though
I'm back in there, Tiree. I just choked it down. Man.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, we got romy b from CBS when we come
back Froncus Country.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You don't care whar
Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in the first hour.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Complation podcast or don't get your podcast Apple iTunes, Spotify,
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where you get.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Take it forget a podcast as well. Whatever he decides
to do it, So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
During the break the news came on. Tony Manis was
reading the news and I grant, have you been.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Able to research this thing at all?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Because he was telling a story about the the the
water company Liquid Death. The water company, they're they're selling
bottles of Ozzy Osbourne pre ingested water.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, he has drank ten cans of Liquid Death iced tea.
I didn't know they made iced tea neither. And then
each can has been sealed and has been authenticated with
the metal icon signature that you can now purchase with
Ozzy Osbourne saliva for four and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I let me get this straight. Hold on, I
want to get this straight.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So this company is marketing you could buy cans of
iced tea that have Ozzie Osbourne's backwash in them.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Correct, But why because then once technology and federal law
permit fans can use this DNA to try to clone
Ozzy in the future and enjoy him of years to come.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Wait, so to get the can is four hundred and
fifty dollars technology changing?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Which it is? How much you think is going to
cost you to try to actually call him?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then if someone else has the same uh DNA
that you have, I mean you miss it out.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You got this guy's got the same. Guys you know you're.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Getting Ozzie's DNA out of there you could get anybody
anybody else was around it or.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I mean, like this just seems ludicrous to Is this
like a paternity test? This is ridiculous when someone goes
through the.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sperm break or something like because originally when ton is
reading the story, like wait, wait, wait, it has part
of Ossie's the caid, like what parts of the because
there's some parts of Ozzy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't you know? Yeah, I respect to it. You're
on a crazy train if you think that I'm gonna
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Saying I was thinking, how did they actually collect it?
And are you this neurotic as a fan that you
are thinking that far ahead to say, well, I'm going
to pay four hundred and fifty dollars for this can
with this alive on it, with the hopes of maybe
years from now cloning someone. You know what, that can
is going to outlive you. So are you going to
(02:24):
pass it down to your will to your kids? Hey man,
whatever you do, don't sell this can with saliva from
the Prince of darkness.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This just reminds you, like all the goofy stuff that
you can do out there, this reminds you that do
you guys see the Sydney Sweeney doctor Squatch.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Soap with the bathwater you can bathwater?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's a sow that was made out of part of
her bathwater that she got in what people?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
People are buying this hold on It is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Selling for one thousand, five hundred dollars on like this.
People bought it all up and now it's being resold.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Does it come with a certificate of authentication? That's all
the way, Because you're selling someone else's bath water.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You're selling her bath water.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So is it authentic in that you treat it just
like a sports memorabilion or do you not?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I guess like I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
If not, I mean then someone's getting someone foot water
we don't know, but you're paid a grand for it, I.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Mean grant tuber and in some cases like it sold
for as high as two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What has happened to us? As mighty?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Most bars of soap are currently selling between three and
eight hundred. The highest went out there right now is
fifteen hundred on eBay.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That just sold. So it's a bar soap in her bathwater.
It's a bar of soap, and that soap is made.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Out of part of her She took a bath and
they made soap out of their bath water.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Like some people paying money with it. So bizarre. I
don't even I mean, is it's your money, do what
you want?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But like, for real, can you imagine spending fifteen hundred
dollars on a bar of soap that someone bathed And.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I didn't justify that on your taxi? Like, listen, how
do you explain that? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
If we do see your bath water soap, I volunteers
tribute here, you could buy my bath water.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Soap you take ane fast for you know, I all
have plenty.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
There's never any supply, but we're buying bath water that's
kind of factored into soap for a grand and two grand.
We're buying Osbourne's saliva and the can for four and
fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
A can of liquid death is what two bucks? Three bucks?
But there's only ten of them out there. And then
you got the soap like a bar of Irish springs.
What a dollar?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I love you said Irish the cheap one, right, it's
usually they used to be the cheap one.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Meth household, so the cheap one.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Back in college, it was a cheap one, remember, like,
because they had had that, and they had lava remember
lava soap, Lava soap, sophisticated me.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You don't remember that? No, oh man, yeah, they had that.
I think that was the cheap soap back in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You when you came into some money, you started getting
dove soap because the moisturized, so you had lava soap
and dove soap. I just remember those being around back then.
And then you had I think a dial. Wasn't dial
one of the soaps.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't remember being cheap. Yeah, I'm just trying to
remember all the cheap soaps from back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, we know Sidney Sweeney's in cheap Yeah, the Doctor's
well it's already Doctor Squatch, which is fairly expensive.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, Doctor Squatch is decent soap. But then like
fifteen dollars, how bored do you have to be to buy?
You have to be.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
That.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I was like, it's really crams worthy for sure, Like
there's gotta be Yeah, this has got to be. I
don't even understand this stuff. I don't know somebody, somebody
could me in here because I don't even understand this stuff.
It's an understanding.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
La Lakers ten billion dollars. If you're going to do it,
you gotta use your pinky like billion, Yeah, you gotta
do like that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Here's one thing that's interesting about this whole sale. It
just tells me how far the Lakers organization has fallen.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Like when you follow what billion dollars?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I know it sounds bizarre, right, and the ten billion
is what you kind of kind of cling to. But
when we think about the Lakers and the late Jerry Buss,
how he started this team and I think he purchased
it for like maybe sixty seven point five million dollars,
and now almost forty plus years later, the team is
being sold. I know, it sounds great. It's being sold
(06:23):
to a guy who owns the Dodgers. Yeah, and what
does it say about that guy, Mark Walter?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, well he just did know the dot he has
like a professional hockey women's hockey team.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He's kind of like that owns like a little piece
of everything. Hey, that just's got deep pockets.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But just the thing if you're a Lakers fan to
know that your storied franchise is no longer going to
be in the hands of the great Jerry Buss or
someone in his family.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Just for a minute, he's dead, I know, but it's
still was in his family.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Though, it's still in the family, but it ain't the
same thing like having Pat Bowler on the Broncos was
one the same as having it in the family, Okay,
because there was so many individuals who had their hands
in the pot, jacking up the situation that that's.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What it was. I'm just saying because Busteed, was it
twenty was it thirteen, twelve, thirteen? Somewhere in there? Thank
you such. I think it's around about that time.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But once again, a story franchise that you grew up with,
you probably watched the game of your father now is
no longer going to be in the hands of a bus.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's in the hands of someone else.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Do we know the entire ownership group yet? Have details
come out on that? He's Magic, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
It's I mean, he's the main when there's some other
minority like that, because Magic is a business partner. He's
like there's some other people that have small shares of
He's the guy, you know, as far as that, as
far as that stuff goes. Uh And and Mark Wlter
doesn't have deepockets. He doesn't have Rob Walton pockets. Rob
Walton's Walton Wilton's like the fifteenth or last person planet.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
First of all, if you're buying the Lakers for ten billion,
and you got to imagine, I don't even know what
the dodge.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was, He's not buying one hundred percent. He's buying a majority,
and he already owns a percentage of it. The valuation
is ten billion for the percentages buying. Still, that's a
lot of cake. Yeah, to pay fourteen that's a lot
of But here's what it does though, here's what it does.
Here's a great thing about it.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Everythingle franchise should get a bump. If you and Jerry Jones,
you got to be thinking, like, you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Know what whenever I want to sell the Dallas Cowboys,
even though.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
They hadn't won the championship in almost twenty plus years,
they still value very hot.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well that's what it's getting at. This is I mean,
because the Celtics sold.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
For six million, right, six billion? So excuse me billion, yes,
six billion. The Rays are going to sell for one
point seven billion. They're selling the race. So baseball franchise
about two billion dollars? Can it take football? You had
the Broncos and you had Washington bull sell for about
six billion. NBA franchises typically are not as valuable as
NFL franchises, but the two most storied NBA franchises in
(08:50):
Boston and La six billions. A little over six billion
for the Celtics, and I get a ten billion evaluation
of the Lakers. Do when Jerry does go to sell
the Cowboys, what are they going to value the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
The Okay, so here's the Cowboys value right now. So
when you look at the most valuable sports teams worldwide,
this is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Twenty twenty back in twenty twenty four, so it may
have change.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So the Cowboys lead all sports team and being worth
ten point one billion dollars right behind them the Golden
State Warriors at eight point eight billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Lord Lakers on it. Then let's see Walker already Walter already.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Owns Lakers number eight at seven point one.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh yeah, well, Walter already owned twenty six percent of
the team. So really he's buying like another twenty six
percent at a total team valuation of ten billion for
the share prices, I guess is how you're doing this?
So at twenty six percent, so he's really not spending
ten billion dollars, he's spending two and a half billion
dollars already. Share right, he's spending two and a half
billion dollars to get to a majority. So like that
(09:48):
that I, you know, I sort of understand the Bus
family's going to keep a minority share of the team.
They'll still own fifteen percent, but.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It's just still wild because if once again, if you
are an owner of the team, I know, the Broncos
right now worth five point one five point five billion dollars,
it's not like they're going to sell the team, but
the sale of the majority shares for the Los Angeles
Lakers and just put a smile on every single owner's
face and here's the thing about it. Once again, the
(10:15):
Dallas Cowboys that were ten point one billion dollars and
they haven't won anything. So if you are the Denver Broncos,
that has to be another incentive to keep winning, because
we could say, well, you know you love owner the team,
which I know the pinners they do, but you in
business to make money.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The Walton Pettigroup bought the Broncos at the the the
peak of the Fangio Hacket era. What would the Broncos
be worth now?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
See by low sell high right. And here's the great
thing about it. They're in the perfect spot. They found
the sweet spot because this team seemed as though they're
on the upkick, right, and they started winning playoff games.
They just start as to go to winning super Bowls.
The value therefore increase. I'm not saying that the pinners
(11:00):
are going to sell this team, but look at the
team just like you look at anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It is an investment. Well yeah, and it only keeps
going up again.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jerry Buss bought it for what sixty four million in
the cells Now they're selling for I mean there's money
hand over fist in terms of the improvement on this
mark Walter owns steaks in the Los Angeles Dodgers, the
LA Sparks, Premier League Club Chelsea and Soccer Professional Women's
Hockey League, Cadillac Formula One, several racing teams like this
guy has got got his hands his fingers in the pies.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Right, he got cash for days, cash owned debt, Grant
cash owned debt, cod right, not writing these checks.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm not to start selling my bath water with the
Irish spring smell in it. Yeah, I got a collapse
right there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, Iris Spring, I know how to up your share
price because it's like Grant Smith's bathwater. Mark Walter is
the CEO of Goggenheim Partners. They have three hundred and
twenty five billion dollars in assets, three d and twenty
five billion with a bee in assets.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sports franchises are going up. And when I think about basketball,
because if I'm not mistaken, obviously the NBA chang changed
the luxury tax roof, did they?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did they not? Then you changed?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think that they're a couple of years ago. Two
years ago they changed the luxury tax thresholds. Now it's like,
im possible to spend into the you know, end of
that Apron.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So I just kind of thought about, Okay, what what
what is this going to look like for the Lakers
moving forward? And I said, okay, well, this doesn't guarantee
that rob Link is still there. This probably is going
to effect the whole thing with Lebron and Luke.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I know, it does guarantee the Genie bus is going
to be there because she's staying on as a governor
for the seeable future.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Right because she still has somewhat of a minority steak
in the team fifteen percent ownership. Very smart not to
sell all of your steak in the team.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But this is going to change how we look.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
At sports, uh in the business of sports within itself.
But it also is going to change the infrastructure of
how the Lakers actually operate, and this move could for
us other teams to look at, you know, the financial
part of just like I don't know how true it is,
but there was something I read last week and it
was alleged that the Broncos brought some land.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Was it birming yard?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, they bought Yeah, they bought some They bought some
land at the old railroad yard or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
So it's going to change how owners with deep pockets
how they operate. Because now if you the Lakers, knowing
as though you have an owner who is buying the
majority state, he can do more because of his deep
pockets to kind of lure free agents to La not
like you need to be able to try.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
To lure people there.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well yeah, but I mean you got to pay a
little more because California state taxed, so you know you
usually got to pay a little more.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
You know for Laker the taxes, cross the living, offset
the traffic, right, all of that.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's one of those things because would you rather go
to Spurs we got no state tax? We really go
to California where you know they're taking a big bite out,
so San Antonio. You know, there's the reason Kevin Durant
wants to go to San Antonio. So you know, I
think there's I think you're too that that's said. I mean,
having that infusion of cash will probably allow them to
be able to sign Luca back. I was something a
lot of people were worried about, like Donci just you know,
(14:18):
getting the trade, but then him sign would he even
sign back there?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
If I'm Luca, I.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Would definitely really think about it and consider it because
the factors that we just name, and then once again
who you're supporting, supporting cast because LA has always had
a star and the expectations in LA is similar to
what they are here in Broncos Country. You expect to
play for a championship. So if Luca stays in LA,
(14:44):
who is this?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Who is this? Who's this? Robin? Because how long is
Lebron gonna play? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And and if I'm him, I'm thinking about possibly going
somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, because I mean, you know how much is Lebron
gonna stick around? Bronnie, ain't it? What are you're gonna be?
It's gonna be you at Dalton connect and Riyacham Nope,
be honest. And Luca No, I've always rooted for this
because I've always wanted to see this as a basketball fan.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Luca and the Kole Yeah, together, That's what I want
to see.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But not in l A No, no, no, no, I'm
talking about here.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, move some pieces around. I mean, could you could
you even do that? Could you even pull that off?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I don't know if it's possible, but I would love
to see that duo combination.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I wouldn't mind it. I would I would mind seeing
that that out here think could be fun Roccos country.
Now we got hit a break. We'll be back up
to this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. You
guys want to get involved the conversation. Talk a little
bit about Lakers sale uh.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
In the last segment, Nick, you had some thoughts so
on a different franchise, Greg Popovich and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, you know what, For me, it's always how do
you measure a man?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
What's the true measure of a man? And that goes
back to being a leader, a father, and being a coach.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And while I.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Don't always agree with Greg Papovich on everything, I believe
in his relationship with his players because that's almost important.
And when you think about what he's been able to
do as a as a coach, and I know he's
no longer a coach and now he stepped away for
a moment. But Jontay Murray, right, here's a guy who
(16:28):
was going through it and lock a lot of African
American athletes. They come from, you know, cities that kind
of run down and there's violence and all of that.
But I want you to listen to what he said,
and this personifies what a coach a leader and a
man should be.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
He was like a father figure. There's it's so many stories.
And if he was able to come sit here and talk,
he'd tell you he's never had a player come in
his office that cried on his shoulder from how many
murders he had to deal with back home in Seattle,
how many funerals I.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Had to pay for. It was so crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
A lot of my people don't even notice from family
friends in the penitentiary. Pop didn't want me to go
to Seattle. When I first got drafted. I wouldn't go
to Seattle. And that was a man that cared about me.
That was a man that wanted me to reach my
full potential in life first, but then as a basketball player.
He's so really tried to move my mom to San
Antonio with his own money after she got shot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
My mama shot in the.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Leg my rookie year. He called her himself, without me
knowing until after the fact, we want to move you here. No, No,
not with his money, with my money. That sounded like
a dude that cared about me and loved me right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And that's Javonte Murray who plays for the San Antonio Spurs,
and that is courtesy of the Pivot podcast. But when
I heard that, I just thought it just kind of
melted me inside as a former player and a former coach,
because this is the type of relationship you want.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
With your players. It is. We always hear in sports.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
That father's son relationship between coach and player, and I've
never heard a story like this. I've heard of coaches
doing a number of things for their player, but not
to the magnitude of this, where Pop was willing to
move Javontae Murray's mom with his own money because of
the environment that she was living.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
In, because I know he had to think, Okay, well.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I don't want Murray, my player worried about his mom
because he will not be able to go out there
and do his job. But I just thought this was
an amazing thing, and this is a true measurement of
someone when they're willing to do things that.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
They don't have to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
First of all, I can't say enough great things about
Pop just what he did over the years. But I
don't want to lean into the conspiracy theory for a moment,
since you're a conspiracy guy, you know, Greg Popovich. When
he got back to the Spurs. He was not the coach.
Bob Hill was coach. And Bob Hill had gone sixty
two and twenty and fifty nine and twenty three and
back to back years. And he started off the ninety
(19:01):
six to ninety seven season going three and fifteen, largely
because they had major injuries that year that started off
the season. You had David Robinson who was hurt, Seot
Elliott who was hurt, and so they started off three
to fifteen because they didn't have a lot of players. Pop
fires him and takes over and they go on to
win all that and Bob Hill was extremely upset and
angry about that because he felt like they put together
(19:24):
this team and then Pop sort of took credit for it. Now,
in his defense, Bob Hill lost to the conference finals
in the semifinals those two years. I mean, granted, they
had a hell of a winning percentage there. I mean
he won sixty fifty nine games in sixty two games.
You know, had winning percentage. They had a good team,
But Bob Hill was super upset about that. Then he
wound up going to Fordham couldn't win there. Which of
(19:46):
the Seattle size could win there? So it kind of
you know, sort of didn't work out for Bob Hill
in the end. But did you did you ever think
this Pop looked at this and said, man, I've got
a team here, I've got a chance to make myself.
Or do you think that he felt that Bob Hill
was not really coaching this team to their potential.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
He probably felt that Hill was not coaching the team
to his potential. And all it is is, look at
what Pop has been able to do as the head
coach of the San Antonio Spurs. It's the Spurs became
like the focal point of international basketball with so many
international players that they have, and they're even doubling down
down with it again with when Byama being there.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And this just goes.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Back to the type of person you are, the type
of culture that you want to set, because just think
about it, he noticed that the team was not going
in a different in the right direction. So however it
came become hook by hook a crook, you gotta get
it someone else out so you can get in right
and change the history of that organization.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Because think about it this way.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
If Papavich never becomes the head coach of the Santonio.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Spurs, do they go on the run that they went on.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Does David Robinson actually finally wins a ring?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, that's the question, because they were you know, they
were a sixty win basketball team for the two.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Seasons prior to pop take it over.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now they went three and fifteen again because the injuries
to Elliott and David Robinson. But yeah, I mean Bob
Hill is he the most unlucky person on the face
of the planet getting fired at going three and fifteen
with the injuries. Oh, by the way, when he went
to then he went to four Dam he tried to
break Spush Parker and all those playground players and you
remember that, and that that blew up, and then he
went to the Seattle Sonics. He was the last head
(21:26):
coach of the Seattle SuperSonics. He was fired over the phone.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, that says a lot about what the organization actually
thought of him as as a coach to have that happen.
But I mean Greg Popovich, I mean Hall of Fame
coach when in his own right, and if there was
a Hall of Fame award that a coach can be
given based on how he feels about his players and
(21:56):
feels that they are family, that too, or would go
to Greg Pablovis, because once again, I've been on a
lot of players and I've said to myself, I think
of some of these coaches and they've been like father
figures up to me. Wade Phillips I considered to be
one of those individuals but never doing something.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And Wade did.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Something for me that definitely changed my life in my
career by giving me my opportunity in Buffalo. But to
know that a coach was willing to spend his own
money to move a player who was well capable financially
to move his own mom, but he was willing to
do that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
You don't see that every day.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And I'll say this, if we all can take a
piece of that story in the willingness to help other people. Man,
just imagine how much better our lives are being rich,
but how much better our society would be if we
decided that we wanted to be involved in changing the
lives of other people.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Bob was He did that for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's something His humanitarian work is something that probably went
a lot of to the radar. He was big with
the Santao Food Bank Insistance Project. Shoes that Fit, he
delivered shoes for two hundred students that were affected by
Hurricanes Irma and Maria. For these kids didn't have shoes,
so he went out bought two hundred pairs of shoes
make sure they had shoes. Helped raise funds for the JPHRO,
which is a disaster relief program in Haiti, and he had,
(23:20):
you know, several disaster relief programs.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
All that cats stiff.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It just heart of gold type stuff, you know, like
he didn't have to go do all that stuff, but
he invested himself in making the lives of people better,
you know. So I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right. In
terms of being a Hall of Fame person, that's about
as good as the cats.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It is, because we hear people talk about that life,
how they being part of the community and being a
philanthropists or whatever, and they're only doing it because it's
part of their polls as a head coach or maybe
a player. Well here's a guy who actually lived it,
and he whether you liked everything he said or not.
(23:57):
And you know, Pop got into some political stuff. Well,
to me, his heart was always in the right place
because he was thinking about others more than he was
thinking about himself. And this is why I've never met
great Papavish before. But this is why I love everything
about his approach because it was all about other people
(24:18):
and sell them.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
In life, when you.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Reach a certain point where you are a great publisht
you won a couple of titles and you have a
great bank account, sometimes you don't think about other people.
But it's great to know that there are people out
there like Pop were willing to make those financial sacrifices
for other people.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, that's that's just great.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And you know, having knowing that that coach is that
invested in you, I mean as a player. I mean
that's got to be something that when we talk about
buy in in this case literally buying, but I mean
when you talk about buy in this I don't I
don't think there's any other way to even frame.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That because you know he's invested in you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Well, you know what not to say that mister Bolan
has ever offered to do that, or Mike Shanahan has
offered to do that. They had other ways to make
you feel as though you were part of the family.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's one of those.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Reasons, man, I love being here and playing for the
Denver Broncos in the organization, and I oftentimes played injured,
not hurt injured. There's a difference between the two because
how they made me feel as a player and being
a member of this family. Now this may say it
sound like it's I guess I'm being a homer and
(25:33):
saying what I'm saying because we're here in Denver, but
I truly believe this inside and out. Playing for this organization,
playing for this fan base is one of the better
things that I've ever done.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
In my life because it made me feel.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
As though and when we're talking about a kid coming
out of inner city, right that I felt as though
I had a family, the guys in the locker room,
the people upstairs, a coaching staff, and I know football
is a business, but still I felt like I was
part of the family. That's why when my departure took place,
it was so upsett. He was sort of like what
(26:07):
we saw from von Miller but when he left the team.
But I just go back to treat people how you want,
how you yourself want to be treated. And I'll add this,
See one thing I don't like. I don't like fake people.
I don't want people to pretend that we're cool when
we're not. And the one thing I can say about
that organization from top to bottom, I never felt like
(26:29):
they were pretending to be something they weren't. They weren't
and they were just trying to make me feel part
of the team because I.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Was a player. It was just a family atmosphere. Well,
I mean, and that's got to be I mean, that's
got to be big.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You know, having that peace of mind in your work environment,
you know, and having that sort of relationship in your
work environment, that's got to be a big, you know,
big thing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like home life could be chaotic as hell, but knowing
as though your sanctuary going into that building with your players,
doing your thing, being a professional athlete, all those things
going to go away as far as all the challenges
of life.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Man to me, that's why I miss it. Yeah, that's
why I miss it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
There's some you know, in the Army, there's sort of
the spirity corps where you're you know, it's your family,
you know, those kinds of things. But it could be
you could have bad environments there of course, like with
any team, you could have bad environments, could invite all
that kind of stuff. But there is and you you
sort of miss that. It's your family away from your family,
and you kind of that. You get to a point where,
if it's a good environment, you kind of enjoy going
you know what.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I've never been in the military RGC, but it's
like having a drill sergeant when you're going through basic
that you may hate, but after you get through basic.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now there's appreciation for it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, and I have one of those like, yeah, I
had him because he rode I mean he you know,
rode me to but he was like, I see the
best thing you and I can. You can get your
coasting by on ability and you can be better, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Gonna make you better. Was it like Officer and Gentlemen?
I remember there's that the Richard Gear, But I didn't
watch someone what never watched Wait wait, wait, hold on,
hold on. That was at the high Richard Gear Gerbilmania Grant.
Have you ever see only you?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Only you would just kind of redirect the cover a
different place.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But have you ever seen Officer and Gentleman? Never seen it?
Oh dude, man, you got you gotta go watch that.
I never watched that one.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that's that's one of those one of those movies
I just never got around to dude, is it on
like Netflix or something right now?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I watch it.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
You have to to watch it, because what we're describing
right now is that that that's what happened with his
his guy in basin. He hated him so much, but
then after everything took place, there was a love and
appreciation for what he took him through.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I can't believe you guys haven't seen The Officer and Gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, great, you should watch with your wife. It's one
of those like it's kind of like it's not a
rom com right like that, but it's got to go.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's a feel good story. Looks like it's on prime video. Okay,
all right, well I've got I've got one of those.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Like in nineteen eighty two, classically, I thought it was
newer than that We Belonged.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That was the song that was the type of all love,
lift me up, where we belong.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Come on, man, I.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Can't tell me you got that. We are definitely replaying that.
I can't carry saying that I just haven't. But then
you guys haven't seen like movie. There are movies that
I'm like, how have you not seen this movie? I remember,
like I was talking to Ryan about love Actually, he's
never seen.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It that brand. Have you seen love actually? Which one
is that with you? Okay?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's a Christmas movie, right, yeah, yeah, it's not a
Chris it's every it's an everyday movie.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's a movie that around Christmas.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Set around if you like did And I'm surprised that
Ben actually saw.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It because we know how he feels about love, right,
Love actually is all around.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If you're listening, if you haven't seen it, if you're
dating right now, I employ you to put that on
for your girlfriend or your wife.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Man, who's going to get you some brownie point?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, you talk about love actually, your officer and gentleman,
No no, because the one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No no no. If you want brown points love actually okay.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, and you you'll and it's a dude you can enjoy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's funny, like there's there's humor to it like it is.
It is human to it. And the character of Billy
mackis loosely based on me.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So it's where your personality is loosely based on exactly me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Basically I stole everything that I did from his character
in that movie. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's yeah. Anyway,
five six six nine zeros in touch.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But I mean that's one of those things like there
are there are movies that we haven't seen that you're like,
really haven't seen that we have to ask for me
being because she's she's be coming up here to a
little that she's seen.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Observe the gentlemen. The notebook. I've seen the Notebook. It's
just a it's eh, it's overrated. Wow, got me teared up. Overrated.
I didn't cry, but I got choked up.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well that's because you don't cry. Get in touch with
your emotions. Ferguson, it's not like it's not for the.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Podcast, and talk to you all about the almost broke
him on last episode. He almost gotten me.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, Grant has been the only person I know has
been the closest.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You got me choked up when you did when I
when I was on her, you got me, you got
me choked up on almost got me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Grants a good interviewer, man, But I held tight though
I'm back in there, Tiree. I just choked it down. Man.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, we got romy b from CBS when we come
back Froncus Country.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You don't care whar
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