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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Benjamin albright Day Ferguson is zac Seger's here with you.
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Is that McCaffrey along in the Broncos Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes he does. Well, you receivers are in there right now.
I think it's a haven.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Loss is in there, Rod Smith. I have to look
to see who else is in there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Know we obviously is there thirty seven members in the
Ring of Fame, Yes, but I don't know, like I
wonder how many of those are wide receivers, and I
wonder who those wide receivers are. I know Damarius is
in there, right no, no, no, no, he will be in
there right yes, in October.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think the Giants game, there are five receivers currently
in it. Okay, who are they?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Rick up Church, Okay, Ross Smith, Yeah, Rix's and there
is a return score. I'm sorry, Yeah, Haven Moses is
number three and Lionel Taylor is number four, Okay, and
Jamarius Yeah, I was gonna be in there, so yeah,
McCaffrey would be the next one that would.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Be that would be up that I think.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think you'd have to include that because all the
players that have more yardage than him as a broncover
in there.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, also, do you.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Think about it, like and played four less games than Demarrius.
Obviously there's a disparity and the yardage, but for me,
you look beyond that the impact that it had in
the game, and I think it was a Super Bowl
thirty two where he threw a block like a crushing
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block to spring Terrell Davis.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
These are the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Aspects of playing that wide receiver position that's often overlooked.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I'm not saying this to undermine anything.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
About Demaras thomas career, because I'm not one of those
guys that in order to uplift another guy, I gotta
tear another guy down. Both guys were sensational in their careers.
When you look at the career all time receiving leaders
on the Denver Broncos, Rod Smith is number one, Damarius
Thomas is number two, and a guy who wasn't a
wide receiver but played like a wide receiver's a tight end.
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Shannon Sharp is number three, so Ed is number five.
He's got two Super Bowls. So I don't know how
the committee figures this out as far as who is
going in, and I don't even know why Ed isn't
in yet. That should have been taking place by now. Yeah,
but I'm hoping and I don't know how often the
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Broncos are going to do this, Maybe they're doing next year,
but it definitely deserves to be in their Ring of.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Fame, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean he's top five receiver in Broncos history. No,
there's only one Broncos receiver as forty receiving touchdowns that's
not in besides Ed McCaffrey, and that would be Riley Odoms,
who was a tight end. Really, but every Broncos, every
Broncos receiver who has forty four or more touchdowns, he's
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in the Broncos Ring of Fame, all of them. And
at McCaffrey finished with forty six. So you know that.
To me, I'm kind of with it. I kind of
think he should be in there. He is what second
or third all time I think in yards per target
and oh, that's only behind some guys that played fewer
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years and we're modern era guys Ashley Lee and Jerry
Judy got more yards per target. He's ahead of the
rest of them, you know, at eight point four. I
mean it's that's more than the Marius got in Marius
is eight point three.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, and also you have factor in like with any
given team. It's not just the Broncos. We're just happened
to be talking about them right now, But were some
of the other weapons that the quarterback had at their
disposal that someone changed and we know about Terrell Davis
and what he was able to do, but you had Sharp,
it was ed, and then you had Rad. That's a
lot of mouths to feed. And then's still to see
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that his production was what it was. I can't see
how anyone could argue against the fact of not having
it in And like I said, I go back to this,
it should have been in years ago. So I don't
know what's internally externally keeping him out. But the next
go round, as far as guys going into the Ring
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of Fame, it should.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Be the next guy. I think. I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And the other part of the I think the part
that the statistic that's the most incredible about all that
is both Jamarius and a had eight year careers.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Damarius had twelve fumbles over the course of his eight
year career. Was had like four three three oh three.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, he had three fumbles in the eight years he
was with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Three. That is insane. That is a that is a
dude that does not let the ball hit the ground.
That's ball security right there. Yeah, And as brock Oswald
would say, that's job security.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Catch percentage was better than Rod and Damarius Damarius and
Rodd both had about sixty point three sixty point seven
catch percent. Ed McAffrey got sixty two point four percent
of the passes thrown his way. That is all that
is old time best in Broncos history.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Why do you think he hasn't seen his day in
the sun. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know the answer to that. I don't know
what the answer is. Because he's been at Colorado fixture.
Now his family is obviously, uh, you know, a Colorado fixture.
I don't know why Ed McCaffrey doesn't get the run
that he deserved. I mean, I remember, you know, being
on the other side of that seeing Rod and Ed,
you know play. That was a fearsome duo back in
the day. It was always in the contention of one
of the best receiving cores receiving one to two punches
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in the league. I mean, you had keshan a Keata
mccardella and her Tampa. You had Jared Rice, Tim Browner
with the Raiders. God and were in that same conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, they definitely were.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And the one thing I enjoy about playing with these
guys when I came here from the Jets was just
kind of watching them work independently, right and knowing as
though they were selfless guys, they were willing to sacrifice
passing and reception stats to make sure that the ground
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game was on track. And that's where when when you
start to compare the errors, it's kind of a little
different because.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Now, I mean, back then there was more balance.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Now we're living in the past, happy era where you know,
quarterbacks are throwing four, maybe thirty nine to forty attempts
a game. So if you have a good squad around
you and you have a guy like Tiro Davis, you
go to hand the ball off to one. So that's
gonna take some receptions away from you. But even with
that being said, man, it was a hell of a teammate.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
He's still in the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Hell of a guy now and watching both he and
Rod work in practice, man, it was the thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Who else is? Who else do you think is deserves
the Broncos Ring of fame? That isn't in there?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, and obviously it's one of the biggest most
glaring ones to me, Trevor Price, Yeah, is he not
in Nope? Okay, that's a Wilson. Oh, definitely, Al Wilson.
I realized he wasn't in. I actually wrote an article
about this on KOA Colorado dot com for a few
months back. And it's funny you mentioned Trevor Price and
Al Wilson my top three. Al Wilson one at McCaffrey
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Troup two, Trevor Price three. Okay, yeah, those those are
both names. I think I would think you would want
in there. Highly productive guy. So I'm trying to I'm
trying to go back and remember everybody who's in there
right now. I mean, like, is Ryan Clady in there,
because he should probably be in there.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's my number four. I'm running back through.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, it just speaks volume to the organization and
how many players have played for this organization.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And you don't really have enough room, right I know
the idea.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I wish we could expand the stadium with our hands
and push it out and add more guys because a
lot of guys contribute a lot. There's a guy who's
near and dear to my heart who I feel is
somehow forgotten in the world of Broncos Country, and.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's Jake Freaker Pama.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That guy is forgotten because we talk about John Elway
we talk about Peyton Manning, right, obviously, when the team
brings back the Super Bowl fifty teen to kind of
enshrine Damaris and the Ring of Fame, Tim Tebow is
going to be here, right, But it's almost like some
people kind of leap frog what Jake Plumber did as
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a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, no, Super Bowl Ring. We were damn close.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But I think for me, he is one of those
players that when you were sitting around talking about the
Denver Broncos, he gets overlooked.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh absolutely, And he's the probably the third best quarterback
in franchise history. I mean they went thirty nine and
fifteen when Jake was the quarterback here. If it wasn't
for Peyton Manning and John Elway, you'd be talk about
Jake Plumber as the best quarterback. I mean, I get
to you know, Greasy and Craig Morton had a little
bit more passing yardage. Craig Morton might be in that conversation,
but it's between Craig Morton and Jake Plumber for third
best quarterback in Broncos history, after Peyton Manning and John Elway.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And once again I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, this is the problem with having so many
good players, and this speaks to the level that the
Broncos organization has been has experienced on the Pat Boulden
and they willed experience again under the pinners with both Nicks.
But for me, it's like I would love to see
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every single guy get their validation and get their flowers.
I think they've done enough in this community and for
this organization and they deserve that.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I I yeah, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I just, Uh, that's fascinated to me to like, how
is Ed not already in that. It was one of
those things like when we saw when I saw this,
you know, we were talking about this earlier today or
the text mest earlierday, I was like, wait a minute,
mcaffrey's not in the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So that's so bizarre to be.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It just raises a lot of questions as to why,
like some of his teammates who were on those that
you know, back to back Super Bowl teams.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They're in the Ring of Frame three six, So as
Dave Logan should be in the Ring of Fame for
his radio work.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I imagine when he retires, he probably will.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Be, you know, Dave Dave uh, And he's very careful
because he only you know, was here for one season,
didn't really play with the Broncos, you know very much,
and he's very careful on how he you know, how
he phrases that or whatever. But Dave is synonymous with
the Broncos. He's most of his football career was with
the Browns, but he synonymous with the Broncos and in
a legendary voice, you know, in terms of uh doing
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the calls over the years and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So yeah, I'm with you on the Dave.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Logan probably should be the media guy that's in the
you know, that's in the Ring of Fame. They gave
Socaca model the press box, you know, the press box
is named after Soccer model.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Those are the two guys. If you were going to
pick media at all or non you know, non.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Football coaching that kind of stuff that would be in there,
those would be the two guys.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, for me, you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Speak Broncos football without speaking or hearing Dave Logan's voice.
It's it's it's wild for me to know that I
played and Dave called our games that come in here.
I seen freaking every day, well games when Steve was playing,
you know that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That phenomena is so wild to know that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So I know, whenever Dave calls it quits, his name
is going to be in the Broncos Ring of Fame
as far as being being a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And if it didn't happen, obviously, I'm raising a lot
of questions as to why. But something hasn't happened. I
don't know why it is not in. I'm just hoping
that the next time they're putting guys in the Ring
of Fame, we're gonna hear An McCaffrey. I think he's
earned that and he's deserved that. Yeah, I think, you know,
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I think that that's I think that's next in line.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I think you kind of had to do De Marius
just because of the circumstances. I think you kind of
had to move that out of the way before Ed
gets in there. But it should have already been in there.
This's is one of good we talked about the Hall
of Fame. There's a receiver I talk about every single time,
Henry Eller. When Henry Eller retired, he was number two
in the NFL in receiving guardage behind Jerry Rice, who
was still playing right and Eller didn't really even get
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going until he was like twenty eight years old whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
He was playing well and he was thirties.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
The guy was unstoppable, played for some garbage teams, was
unstoppable when he was out there. Absolutely belongs to the
Hall of Fame, and for whatever reason we can't get
him in. We're getting inferior or lesser players in there,
people who did less in there than him, And I
just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, it's kind of like having recentcy bias because some
of the individuals who are voting on this obviously obviously
they're they're younger individuals. They didn't get a chance to
see Henry Eller play. Almost like well, the question is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, why isn't rodded?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you look at Michael Irvin's numbers and you look
at Rod's numbers, they're comparable, and I think Rod may
have a little edgeoning.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Rod had eleven three hundred and eighty nine receiving yards
for his career. To put that in perspective, by the way,
with with Henry Eller, Henry Eard thirteen thousand, seven hundred
and seventy seven yards playing in a less past friendly league,
you know, a little bit older than there was a
little bit overlap with their careers, but yeah, I mean
it's yeah, and Rod's numbers are Hall of Fame adjacent
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Irvin had with eleven nine to zero four. So they
were separated by six hundred yards for their career. Ever,
take but Irvin, Irvin was more media friendly, you know,
as far as all that kind of stuff go, or
certainly was not more media friendly, was in your face
in media because he was on Fox, on that you know, on.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The n ESPN all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Because once again, first of all, Dallas, the NFL play.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, there was a.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Lot of games shown on television of Dallas Cowboys. He's
the other thing to take in, uh, into consideration when
it comes to Rod and Michael Irvin. One of those
guys were drafted really high, not so much, right, and
then you say, you look at the separation of the
stats and it's not too far off.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Rod had more receiving yards for his career than DeShawn Jackson,
o Cho Sinko, Chad Johnson, Joey Galloway, Keith Shawn Johnson.
You know, he had more receiving yards and those guys,
and those guys seemed to get more notoriety than he
did and Ryan was. I mean, his numbers were basically
almost the same as Calvin Johnson's.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Okay, so I'm gonna say this because here is what
I feel that's taking place. I don't all this, but
this is my own opinion based on the fact that
Rod wasn't drafted really high. That's being held against him
instead of being used to put him in in that
enshrin him in kenn Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Because for a guy to.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Not be a drafted guy to become a staple in
your offense where it was solely based on your quarterback
and running the ball, and you put up the numbers
that you put up, you can't overlook that.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, that's that's possible. That is entirely possible that maybe
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
There's some guys that you scratch your head and you're saying,
what are we what are we doing here? These guys
put up the numbers, they they got the resume.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What are we? What are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So the mission is right now, Rougos Country, that's the
right now. The mission is getting Rod Smith in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame and getting a McCaffrey in
the Broncos Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
How about that. I think that's I think that's fair.
We had a break. We'll be back Ferguson's ex figures.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Back there behind the glass right out to the Kai
commiserl the hotline and bring on our friend Tim Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Tim are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How are you boys doing?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm doing all right?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Uh, you know, hanging out just sitting here idly by
the mailbox, waiting on a Jenkins of lead merchandise delivery.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's that we finally got the new road pass in. Yeah,
so we got something for you, and I got the
new white shirts, coach, So you're to be all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Alright, alright, alright, alright right, I'll try out to give
you too much stuff about that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know, I was gonna ask you. I was gonna
text you later. You'll you'll want to respond to the
text later. I got something something for you. But how's
it been going? Man? We got Boone Nicks coming up
here in season two, and the first question I want
to ask you right off the bout how important is
it for that continuity? Boone Nick's been a guy who's
had different offensive coordinators throughout his career. This is one
of the first years in his entire career that he's
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had back to back of the same offense going into
a season.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's interesting because the college
game now just in general, you're seeing more bounce around,
right because of the portal. So these guys are going
and learning new systems. So you would think, hey, you know,
when they get the NFL, maybe a little bit more
used to it. But simultaneously, like everybody who's playing quarterback,
nos man, you.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Get that year two in.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
A system, everything starts just clicking a little bit faster.
I think, especially the at the line of scrimmage operation right,
you could you could trace it back to the huddle. Hey,
in the huddle, communication probably gets better instead of just
regurgitating the play right. Hey, you know we've got X
bench here. He'll look at his etge and tell him
bench right, versus just regurgitating it. So I think that's
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going to help. But then when you get to that
line of scrimmage operation, I think everything's gonna be a
little bit smoother, and I think we'll start to see
more of the kill alert packages at the line where
we'll see him getting it out of more plays where
maybe we didn't see that year one, right, Sean probably
was in more run it type calls, like, hey, we're
going to call this in, We're gonna run it, We're
gonna hopefully have a look for each play, whereas now
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you're probably looking at bow and saying, hey, man, you
get us into the right play of these two or
of these three plays, which I think is only advantageous
when you look at you know, very rarely you get like,
what ten steps a game where you can really take
advantage of something the defense is good is doing right
formationally or you know, coverage wise. And so if he
can get us into the right play those ten plays,
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that's going to substantially increase this offensive output. And I
think those are all things we can look forward to
in year two, and I think it starts in the huddle.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Tim, how do you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
View the concept of quarterback play when it comes down
to quarterbacks who like to play on the perimeter opposed
to quarterbacks playing from the pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The reason I ask you that because there's a.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Growing number of individuals who want the quarterback to just
be confined to being between the tackles like, well, you
can't play outside the pocket unless you show that you
can stand in the pocket and make those types of throws.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So where do you follow on that?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Because I have my viewpoints, Yeah, I think, you know,
I think I would say, gone to the days that
you have to strictly win from the pocket. What I
will say, though, is I think we're never going to
fully get rid of it right because you can't. I
don't think we could drop some of the college guys
in and say you know, hey, we're run to run
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or strictly ourpo and I don't think you could survive.
I don't think you could play effective offensive football for
a substantially long time. And I think we've even seen
it from you kind of thought the text taken to
get taken advantage of a little bit with their protection stuff,
where I think sometimes the simplification of it can help
expedite a quarterback early. But I do think there are
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times in which you know, it compromises and it's not
technically you know, the perimeter versus the pocket, but I
think we see little things where it pops up and
kind of gets an offense when they try to say
by stuff, what I will say is I think, yeah,
I don't think we're Statoo's back there anymore by any means.
I think obviously you've got to be able to play
on time from the pocket, especially when you look at
the blitz packages. Nick.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I mean, I think you know, you know you on
the other side.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Of the ball. How often you know you're sitting there
and you're in man coverag, we're in blitz zero. There
are certain quarterbacks that you feel like, shoot, man, he's
gonna make us pay. He's gonna he's gonna get to
the right look, they're gonna he's gonna be accurate with
the football, and then it's gonna be a big play,
which then forces people to kind of get out of
their exotic pressure. So I do think you still have
to be able to stit in there and win the
pocket simultaneously. Like listen, if the dude can get out
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and roll and he could make some plays, I think
we would be doing a disservice to the offense as
a whole to restrict that. I think the biggest adjustment,
honestly is the mentality of it. I think you know,
we see it with the guys when they go from
high school to college calls the NFL where you know,
I tell you, in high school, who really cares how
many times this kid carries the football right because he's
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probably bigger, faster, stronger than everybody else out there. And
then college you just want to see him progressively get
smarter with taking care of his body when he is
on the perimeter. I think it's less about touches and
less about style of play and more about, hey, are
you smart when you're on the perimeter, like you know,
for you know, first and ten, we don't need you,
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you know, getting hit if you're on the perimeter, get down,
you know, those two or three yards we can live without.
But then when it's like a gut to have a situation,
I think you're seeing these quarterbacks go out and make
more plays, and you know, I think it's just a
sign of the times, and I think it's a good
thing and it's making for more explosive football talk with
Tim Jenkins at t Jenkins Elite.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know, Tim, we got flag football coming up in
the in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Any thought to maybe warming up the old cannon and
see what you could do by getting a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Here's the deal. I was throwing at our high school
camp this week, and I was thinking to myself, I
still got some juice in the quick game.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You know, I think I get one through three and
kind of.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Get the ball out. But you want me to drive
the ball down the field, I'd be in trouble. But yeah,
flag would be my game. I started having PTSD thinking
about getting in the pads again and having guys like
Nick t Off on me on the edge.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
So I, uh yeah, I think I'm you know, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
With the flag stuff. But listen, we got a really
big We've got a big season coming up. We've got
Mac Jenkins third grade tackle team. So you know, we've
been deep in OTAs. We're allowed to have OTAs nowadays
in youth football, so we've been deep in it. The
playbooks getting installed. Max is struggling with his footwork on
op pass right sale. We're having issues there, but he's
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gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What are we what are we running this year?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We run the spread? What do we we get some
kind of option stuff built in? What are we what
are we dealing with?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah? You know me, We're We're we're doing too much.
The parents have looks at the playbook they've had some questions.
You know, we're doing a lot of r PO, but.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
We're you know me, then we're getting under center.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
We're gonna run the football. We're gonna have a lot
of run action, and then of course we're gonna put
it dam right. We're gonna be hammered and overs and
see if guys can cover depots all the way across
the field. I'm a feeling they're gonna struggle at the
third grade level to do that, but we will.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
We'll see it well with Tam.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know, building a foundation for young quarterbacks or any
quarterbacks for that matter, is really important. When when you're
talking to some of these young quarterbacks, what are some
of the basic skill sets that you're trying to instill
in them that they can take and continue to grow
as they develop as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's such a good question.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I tell you, it's honestly changed over the last ten years.
At the beginning of my career developing these guys, it
was all about biomechanics, like nobody really knew how to
throw the football. Well, now we have an epidemic of
driving range quarterbacks, Like we have so many dudes that
look the part and shorts and a T shirt and
then you tell them, hey, you know, take an inside
done seven hitch. These guys have no idea what to
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do footwork wise, and then we've forgotten that.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You know, hey, man, it's awesome if you could throw
the ball, But.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Ninety nine percent of what makes guys great in the
NFL has nothing to do physically right, And I think
that's the hardest part about evaluating the kids too, is
I mean, how many guys do you see go out
there and rip it and you go, man, this gid
could probably play.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
What we forget is that, like, hey, can you get
us in and out of the right play?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Can you get us in the right protection. But really
that's where our focus has been. It's been on footwork,
it's been on whiteboard, it's been on football IQ because
that's I think kind of the dying piece of quarterback play,
you know, And you can't blame the kids. I think
progressively we've gotten further, you know, we've gotten more out
from being under center, so we're in gun more so
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the footwork has gone by the wayside, and then I
think we've kind of tried to simplify football and instead
of processing the information just go fast and hope for
a bus and listen. It works. It works at a
lot of levels for a lot of football games. It
never gets you over the hump though, right, It never
gets you like long success and championships by just trying
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to expedite that process. So, you know, that's what we're
trying to grind away at the guys. And I think
that's if you were to really, you know, ask hey,
you know, NFL quarterback coaches, what's the biggest thing you
guys are seeing. I think they're you know, they're they're
seeing guys that show up on campus and it's like, okay, hey,
let's walk through. You know, where's the nickel on this
play versus you know, drawing them up as just another dB.
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I just think that's kind of a lost art. But
I think that's where you're going to see guys like
Sean Payton really be able to develop bow whereas I
think there's some other quarterbacks who aren't systems that maybe
aren't you know, as exact, and I think you'll start
to see these guys plateau.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Do you think there's a minimum threshold though, in terms
of moving to the professional game for some of these
traits and tools before you get to that, because you know,
I would say that if you were to put Shidharth
Sanders and cam Ward's side by side, I would say
shed were Sanders football like you, seems to be higher. However,
cam Ward, who's built like Jakobe Brissette and has a
cannon for an arm, goes number one overall and Sanders
goes on day three.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Is there is there a minimum threshold?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is this just simply old school bias in terms of
you know, I'm looking for the you know, the size
and the rocket arm and we'll figure it out from there.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
And I think that's such a good question. Man. I
wish we could do a four hour segment and hammer
like twelve Modellos.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I think you're dead on there's a minimum threshold, right,
Like you know, the Chad Penningkins of the world, I
think are gone. Like I don't think it can be
just a strictly anticpiratory thrower and have no arm, Like
I just don't think you can do that anymore because
there are too many guys that can throw the heck
out of it.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What I will say is I honestly like if you were.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
To ask me for like my actual deep thoughts on this,
I think I think we overvalue the traits. But I
think because of the you know, NFLPA, they've negotiated such
a great deal for veterans and horrible deal for guys
trying to make a roster that we I also think
gone are the days that we're gonna see a seventh
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round draft pick go and turn into a good player,
Like we won't see Kurt Warner anymore. I don't think
we won't really see, you know, the Tom Braze of
the world. You know, every once in a while, sure
you can see a rock party, but I just think
the amount of reps so minimize that I don't even
think we're gonna notice if, you know, the Russell Wilson
gets taken in the third round or whatever, because I
think we're geared so much towards our one now that
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that's actually hurting the quarterback meritocracy, I think more than anything.
And there's just no reps to go around, and I
think ultimately it's gonna be detrimental. I think we got
to figure out some way to correct that, where you know,
we're not stressing the best bodies and doing all this
other stuff, But we can, you know, try to give
these you know, undrafted linebackers a shot to make the
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roster because listen to me, if you know, quarterbacks one thing,
but if you look at like playing any other position, Like,
I don't know how a guy who hits and that's
what he's known for makes a roster if he's undrafted. Nowadays,
you get like three days of hitting at camp, right
So to me, it's like, how is he going to
show what he can do? But you know, all the
guys that can run around and kind of shorten a
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T shirt, like seven or seven guys, they look great,
and I just you guys, know, man, that's not football.
And I think the Eagles and some teams like that
that have really set the standard at the line of
scrimmage kind of showing everybody like you're never going to
get away from this being a you know, highly violent,
highly physical game. And I just think we've we've maybe
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kind of gone too far in terms of letting, you know,
the PA kind of drive certain things that might not
actually be in the best interest of the game.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know, dam I'm in line with you on that
because I've always said this.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I've gotten a lot of you know, backlines from
it because the guy who I believe is really important
on the team and he never really gets some props,
is that backup quarterback. That backup quarterback is asked to
do a lot of things. You have to study during
the week and make sure that you're prepared just in
case you have to go into the game and it
may never happen. So I think that what the league
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should do is build some kind of relationship with the USFL.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So so those backup quarterbacks who.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Are not getting those significant amount of reps to develop
that they can now jump to somewhat of a spring
league to get that time and work on that timing
so when they come back to the team, someone.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Else has already developed a quarterback for you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Would you be in favor of the NFL building something
like that with the USFL.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, I think you, I Nick, you're dead on, and
you've got to because we eliminated you know, and I
don't know, maybe it's changed again, but for a while
we had eliminated that basically, that third quarterback right because
it was like used to have them for free. In
a way, now to me, it's like we're kind of
eliminated that. I think you're dead on. You know, we're
seeing a movement where it's like it feels like you
have a young starter, right, and then you have like
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basically another coach as your backup because you just don't
want to look stupid if you got to put them
in there. But hey, we're giving another guy all the reps.
So yeah, I think you're dead on. I think they've
got to figure that out, some sort of way to
develop keep those guys. You know, you've got to keep
those quarterbacks getting reps and in your system, not running
scout and it's just it's hard. We're seeing and I
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think we're seeing a lack of development, and I ultimately think,
like you guys know, every single position is like so
important in football.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
With that being said, the product of the NFL is going.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
To live and you know, die with the quarterback position.
If we have twelve great ones, it's going to be
a pretty solid game, like we've seen. If we can
somehow get to where you got thirty two of them,
like it would be whatever it is now TV ratings,
it would be even bigger because.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
You'd actually have a shot with some of these you
know guys.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And you wouldn't have to construct it where you're going
young quarterback, good everywhere else and hope the kid can
survive and it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. I think
you're dead on them with something like that, Nick, And
I think I also think it's going to start the
college game. You know, the college game is getting rewarded for.
You know, we're getting a little bit dumber on offense
just to go faster, which, of course these kids show
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up behind. You know, we're seeing a resurgence of you know,
now all of a sudden, I'm getting on draft Twitter.
I'm seeing, Hey, actually we want a minimum man, a
man like, hey, here's the minimal man of Rosie want.
We want to see more throws from these kids, right,
they're getting rewarded for saying in college, whereas it was
six years ago it was like, hey, if you're a
fourth year quarterback like Barkley coming out and everybody's like, oh,
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that's a reflax, right, So to me, it's like, I
think we're we're seeing a resurgence in some of the
developmental aspects, but ultimately it'll be at the college level.
I think that'll have to drive it to where these
guys show up a little bit more prepared, and then
the NFL coaches, man, they're going to just have to
start to earn your check and we're gonna actually have
to develop these guys versus, you know, just throw them
in there and and and kind of count on their
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athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Real quick tim one minutes before we got hit the brake.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But of the second year quarterbacks, not including bo Nicks,
what do you expect to have a big breakout year?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Oh man, that's such a great question. I don't think
you can say Jay and Daniel because I think he
had a good year last year, right.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So at least Caleb.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, you could say Kaylee. But I kind of want
to go Drake may So. I think maybe Rabel gets
it going a little bit up there. You know. He
seems like one of those guys who's you know, probably
all pissed off at the PA because they can't hit
as much either. It feels like he'll I feel like
he's gonna get that team playing a little bit a
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little bit better than it was. Listen, I think the
Mayo dude got you know, kind of screwed up there.
But I do think Rabel's a heck of a coach.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see
what what that kid can do in here.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Two sounds good, Tim, Always appreciate your time and look
forward to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Get here soon.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, keep me the loop, fellaws.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I appreciate you absolutely, brother. Take here, Tim Jackins at
tj Inkins Delete. We gotta a break. We'll be back
after this
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Is that McCaffrey along in the Broncos Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes he does. Well, you receivers are in there right now.
I think it's a haven.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Loss is in there, Rod Smith. I have to look
to see who else is in there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Know we obviously is there thirty seven members in the
Ring of Fame, Yes, but I don't know, like I
wonder how many of those are wide receivers, and I
wonder who those wide receivers are. I know Damarius is
in there, right no, no, no, no, he will be in
there right yes, in October.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think the Giants game, there are five receivers currently
in it. Okay, who are they?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Rick up Church, Okay, Ross Smith, Yeah, Rix's and there
is a return score. I'm sorry, Yeah, Haven Moses is
number three and Lionel Taylor is number four, Okay, and
Jamarius Yeah, I was gonna be in there, so yeah,
McCaffrey would be the next one that would.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Be that would be up that I think.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think you'd have to include that because all the
players that have more yardage than him as a broncover
in there.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, also, do you.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Think about it, like and played four less games than Demarrius.
Obviously there's a disparity and the yardage, but for me,
you look beyond that the impact that it had in
the game, and I think it was a Super Bowl
thirty two where he threw a block like a crushing
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block to spring Terrell Davis.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
These are the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Aspects of playing that wide receiver position that's often overlooked.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I'm not saying this to undermine anything.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
About Demaras thomas career, because I'm not one of those
guys that in order to uplift another guy, I gotta
tear another guy down. Both guys were sensational in their careers.
When you look at the career all time receiving leaders
on the Denver Broncos, Rod Smith is number one, Damarius
Thomas is number two, and a guy who wasn't a
wide receiver but played like a wide receiver's a tight end.
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Shannon Sharp is number three, so Ed is number five.
He's got two Super Bowls. So I don't know how
the committee figures this out as far as who is
going in, and I don't even know why Ed isn't
in yet. That should have been taking place by now. Yeah,
but I'm hoping and I don't know how often the
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Broncos are going to do this, Maybe they're doing next year,
but it definitely deserves to be in their Ring of.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Fame, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean he's top five receiver in Broncos history. No,
there's only one Broncos receiver as forty receiving touchdowns that's
not in besides Ed McCaffrey, and that would be Riley Odoms,
who was a tight end. Really, but every Broncos, every
Broncos receiver who has forty four or more touchdowns, he's
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in the Broncos Ring of Fame, all of them. And
at McCaffrey finished with forty six. So you know that.
To me, I'm kind of with it. I kind of
think he should be in there. He is what second
or third all time I think in yards per target
and oh, that's only behind some guys that played fewer
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years and we're modern era guys Ashley Lee and Jerry
Judy got more yards per target. He's ahead of the
rest of them, you know, at eight point four. I
mean it's that's more than the Marius got in Marius
is eight point three.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, and also you have factor in like with any
given team. It's not just the Broncos. We're just happened
to be talking about them right now, But were some
of the other weapons that the quarterback had at their
disposal that someone changed and we know about Terrell Davis
and what he was able to do, but you had Sharp,
it was ed, and then you had Rad. That's a
lot of mouths to feed. And then's still to see
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that his production was what it was. I can't see
how anyone could argue against the fact of not having
it in And like I said, I go back to this,
it should have been in years ago. So I don't
know what's internally externally keeping him out. But the next
go round, as far as guys going into the Ring
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of Fame, it should.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Be the next guy. I think. I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And the other part of the I think the part
that the statistic that's the most incredible about all that
is both Jamarius and a had eight year careers.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Damarius had twelve fumbles over the course of his eight
year career. Was had like four three three oh three.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, he had three fumbles in the eight years he
was with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Three. That is insane. That is a that is a
dude that does not let the ball hit the ground.
That's ball security right there. Yeah, And as brock Oswald
would say, that's job security.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Catch percentage was better than Rod and Damarius Damarius and
Rodd both had about sixty point three sixty point seven
catch percent. Ed McAffrey got sixty two point four percent
of the passes thrown his way. That is all that
is old time best in Broncos history.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Why do you think he hasn't seen his day in
the sun. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know the answer to that. I don't know
what the answer is. Because he's been at Colorado fixture.
Now his family is obviously, uh, you know, a Colorado fixture.
I don't know why Ed McCaffrey doesn't get the run
that he deserved. I mean, I remember, you know, being
on the other side of that seeing Rod and Ed,
you know play. That was a fearsome duo back in
the day. It was always in the contention of one
of the best receiving cores receiving one to two punches
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in the league. I mean, you had keshan a Keata
mccardella and her Tampa. You had Jared Rice, Tim Browner
with the Raiders. God and were in that same conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, they definitely were.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And the one thing I enjoy about playing with these
guys when I came here from the Jets was just
kind of watching them work independently, right and knowing as
though they were selfless guys, they were willing to sacrifice
passing and reception stats to make sure that the ground
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game was on track. And that's where when when you
start to compare the errors, it's kind of a little
different because.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Now, I mean, back then there was more balance.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Now we're living in the past, happy era where you know,
quarterbacks are throwing four, maybe thirty nine to forty attempts
a game. So if you have a good squad around
you and you have a guy like Tiro Davis, you
go to hand the ball off to one. So that's
gonna take some receptions away from you. But even with
that being said, man, it was a hell of a teammate.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
He's still in the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Hell of a guy now and watching both he and
Rod work in practice, man, it was the thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Who else is? Who else do you think is deserves
the Broncos Ring of fame? That isn't in there?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, and obviously it's one of the biggest most
glaring ones to me, Trevor Price, Yeah, is he not
in Nope? Okay, that's a Wilson. Oh, definitely, Al Wilson.
I realized he wasn't in. I actually wrote an article
about this on KOA Colorado dot com for a few
months back. And it's funny you mentioned Trevor Price and
Al Wilson my top three. Al Wilson one at McCaffrey
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Troup two, Trevor Price three. Okay, yeah, those those are
both names. I think I would think you would want
in there. Highly productive guy. So I'm trying to I'm
trying to go back and remember everybody who's in there
right now. I mean, like, is Ryan Clady in there,
because he should probably be in there.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's my number four. I'm running back through.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, it just speaks volume to the organization and
how many players have played for this organization.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And you don't really have enough room, right I know
the idea.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I wish we could expand the stadium with our hands
and push it out and add more guys because a
lot of guys contribute a lot. There's a guy who's
near and dear to my heart who I feel is
somehow forgotten in the world of Broncos Country, and.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's Jake Freaker Pama.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That guy is forgotten because we talk about John Elway
we talk about Peyton Manning, right, obviously, when the team
brings back the Super Bowl fifty teen to kind of
enshrine Damaris and the Ring of Fame, Tim Tebow is
going to be here, right, But it's almost like some
people kind of leap frog what Jake Plumber did as
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a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, no, Super Bowl Ring. We were damn close.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But I think for me, he is one of those
players that when you were sitting around talking about the
Denver Broncos, he gets overlooked.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh absolutely, And he's the probably the third best quarterback
in franchise history. I mean they went thirty nine and
fifteen when Jake was the quarterback here. If it wasn't
for Peyton Manning and John Elway, you'd be talk about
Jake Plumber as the best quarterback. I mean, I get
to you know, Greasy and Craig Morton had a little
bit more passing yardage. Craig Morton might be in that conversation,
but it's between Craig Morton and Jake Plumber for third
best quarterback in Broncos history, after Peyton Manning and John Elway.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And once again I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, this is the problem with having so many
good players, and this speaks to the level that the
Broncos organization has been has experienced on the Pat Boulden
and they willed experience again under the pinners with both Nicks.
But for me, it's like I would love to see
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every single guy get their validation and get their flowers.
I think they've done enough in this community and for
this organization and they deserve that.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I I yeah, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I just, Uh, that's fascinated to me to like, how
is Ed not already in that. It was one of
those things like when we saw when I saw this,
you know, we were talking about this earlier today or
the text mest earlierday, I was like, wait a minute,
mcaffrey's not in the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So that's so bizarre to be.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It just raises a lot of questions as to why,
like some of his teammates who were on those that
you know, back to back Super Bowl teams.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They're in the Ring of Frame three six, So as
Dave Logan should be in the Ring of Fame for
his radio work.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I imagine when he retires, he probably will.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Be, you know, Dave Dave uh, And he's very careful
because he only you know, was here for one season,
didn't really play with the Broncos, you know very much,
and he's very careful on how he you know, how
he phrases that or whatever. But Dave is synonymous with
the Broncos. He's most of his football career was with
the Browns, but he synonymous with the Broncos and in
a legendary voice, you know, in terms of uh doing
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the calls over the years and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So yeah, I'm with you on the Dave.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Logan probably should be the media guy that's in the
you know, that's in the Ring of Fame. They gave
Socaca model the press box, you know, the press box
is named after Soccer model.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Those are the two guys. If you were going to
pick media at all or non you know, non.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Football coaching that kind of stuff that would be in there,
those would be the two guys.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, for me, you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Speak Broncos football without speaking or hearing Dave Logan's voice.
It's it's it's wild for me to know that I
played and Dave called our games that come in here.
I seen freaking every day, well games when Steve was playing,
you know that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That phenomena is so wild to know that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So I know, whenever Dave calls it quits, his name
is going to be in the Broncos Ring of Fame
as far as being being a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And if it didn't happen, obviously, I'm raising a lot
of questions as to why. But something hasn't happened. I
don't know why it is not in. I'm just hoping
that the next time they're putting guys in the Ring
of Fame, we're gonna hear An McCaffrey. I think he's
earned that and he's deserved that. Yeah, I think, you know,
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I think that that's I think that's next in line.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I think you kind of had to do De Marius
just because of the circumstances. I think you kind of
had to move that out of the way before Ed
gets in there. But it should have already been in there.
This's is one of good we talked about the Hall
of Fame. There's a receiver I talk about every single time,
Henry Eller. When Henry Eller retired, he was number two
in the NFL in receiving guardage behind Jerry Rice, who
was still playing right and Eller didn't really even get
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going until he was like twenty eight years old whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
He was playing well and he was thirties.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
The guy was unstoppable, played for some garbage teams, was
unstoppable when he was out there. Absolutely belongs to the
Hall of Fame, and for whatever reason we can't get
him in. We're getting inferior or lesser players in there,
people who did less in there than him, And I
just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, it's kind of like having recentcy bias because some
of the individuals who are voting on this obviously obviously
they're they're younger individuals. They didn't get a chance to
see Henry Eller play. Almost like well, the question is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, why isn't rodded?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you look at Michael Irvin's numbers and you look
at Rod's numbers, they're comparable, and I think Rod may
have a little edgeoning.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Rod had eleven three hundred and eighty nine receiving yards
for his career. To put that in perspective, by the way,
with with Henry Eller, Henry Eard thirteen thousand, seven hundred
and seventy seven yards playing in a less past friendly league,
you know, a little bit older than there was a
little bit overlap with their careers, but yeah, I mean
it's yeah, and Rod's numbers are Hall of Fame adjacent
(13:52):
Irvin had with eleven nine to zero four. So they
were separated by six hundred yards for their career. Ever,
take but Irvin, Irvin was more media friendly, you know,
as far as all that kind of stuff go, or
certainly was not more media friendly, was in your face
in media because he was on Fox, on that you know, on.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The n ESPN all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Because once again, first of all, Dallas, the NFL play.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, there was a.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Lot of games shown on television of Dallas Cowboys. He's
the other thing to take in, uh, into consideration when
it comes to Rod and Michael Irvin. One of those
guys were drafted really high, not so much, right, and
then you say, you look at the separation of the
stats and it's not too far off.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Rod had more receiving yards for his career than DeShawn Jackson,
o Cho Sinko, Chad Johnson, Joey Galloway, Keith Shawn Johnson.
You know, he had more receiving yards and those guys,
and those guys seemed to get more notoriety than he
did and Ryan was. I mean, his numbers were basically
almost the same as Calvin Johnson's.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Okay, so I'm gonna say this because here is what
I feel that's taking place. I don't all this, but
this is my own opinion based on the fact that
Rod wasn't drafted really high. That's being held against him
instead of being used to put him in in that
enshrin him in kenn Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Because for a guy to.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Not be a drafted guy to become a staple in
your offense where it was solely based on your quarterback
and running the ball, and you put up the numbers
that you put up, you can't overlook that.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, that's that's possible. That is entirely possible that maybe
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
There's some guys that you scratch your head and you're saying,
what are we what are we doing here? These guys
put up the numbers, they they got the resume.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What are we? What are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So the mission is right now, Rougos Country, that's the
right now. The mission is getting Rod Smith in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame and getting a McCaffrey in
the Broncos Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
How about that. I think that's I think that's fair.
We had a break. We'll be back Ferguson's ex figures.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Back there behind the glass right out to the Kai
commiserl the hotline and bring on our friend Tim Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Tim are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How are you boys doing?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm doing all right?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Uh, you know, hanging out just sitting here idly by
the mailbox, waiting on a Jenkins of lead merchandise delivery.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's that we finally got the new road pass in. Yeah,
so we got something for you, and I got the
new white shirts, coach, So you're to be all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Alright, alright, alright, alright right, I'll try out to give
you too much stuff about that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know, I was gonna ask you. I was gonna
text you later. You'll you'll want to respond to the
text later. I got something something for you. But how's
it been going? Man? We got Boone Nicks coming up
here in season two, and the first question I want
to ask you right off the bout how important is
it for that continuity? Boone Nick's been a guy who's
had different offensive coordinators throughout his career. This is one
of the first years in his entire career that he's
(16:58):
had back to back of the same offense going into
a season.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's interesting because the college
game now just in general, you're seeing more bounce around,
right because of the portal. So these guys are going
and learning new systems. So you would think, hey, you know,
when they get the NFL, maybe a little bit more
used to it. But simultaneously, like everybody who's playing quarterback,
nos man, you.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Get that year two in.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
A system, everything starts just clicking a little bit faster.
I think, especially the at the line of scrimmage operation right,
you could you could trace it back to the huddle. Hey,
in the huddle, communication probably gets better instead of just
regurgitating the play right. Hey, you know we've got X
bench here. He'll look at his etge and tell him
bench right, versus just regurgitating it. So I think that's
(17:47):
going to help. But then when you get to that
line of scrimmage operation, I think everything's gonna be a
little bit smoother, and I think we'll start to see
more of the kill alert packages at the line where
we'll see him getting it out of more plays where
maybe we didn't see that year one, right, Sean probably
was in more run it type calls, like, hey, we're
going to call this in, We're gonna run it, We're
gonna hopefully have a look for each play, whereas now
(18:09):
you're probably looking at bow and saying, hey, man, you
get us into the right play of these two or
of these three plays, which I think is only advantageous
when you look at you know, very rarely you get like,
what ten steps a game where you can really take
advantage of something the defense is good is doing right
formationally or you know, coverage wise. And so if he
can get us into the right play those ten plays,
(18:30):
that's going to substantially increase this offensive output. And I
think those are all things we can look forward to
in year two, and I think it starts in the huddle.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Tim, how do you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
View the concept of quarterback play when it comes down
to quarterbacks who like to play on the perimeter opposed
to quarterbacks playing from the pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The reason I ask you that because there's a.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Growing number of individuals who want the quarterback to just
be confined to being between the tackles like, well, you
can't play outside the pocket unless you show that you
can stand in the pocket and make those types of throws.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So where do you follow on that?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Because I have my viewpoints, Yeah, I think, you know,
I think I would say, gone to the days that
you have to strictly win from the pocket. What I
will say, though, is I think we're never going to
fully get rid of it right because you can't. I
don't think we could drop some of the college guys
in and say you know, hey, we're run to run
(19:29):
or strictly ourpo and I don't think you could survive.
I don't think you could play effective offensive football for
a substantially long time. And I think we've even seen
it from you kind of thought the text taken to
get taken advantage of a little bit with their protection stuff,
where I think sometimes the simplification of it can help
expedite a quarterback early. But I do think there are
(19:49):
times in which you know, it compromises and it's not
technically you know, the perimeter versus the pocket, but I
think we see little things where it pops up and
kind of gets an offense when they try to say
by stuff, what I will say is I think, yeah,
I don't think we're Statoo's back there anymore by any means.
I think obviously you've got to be able to play
on time from the pocket, especially when you look at
the blitz packages. Nick.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I mean, I think you know, you know you on
the other side.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Of the ball. How often you know you're sitting there
and you're in man coverag, we're in blitz zero. There
are certain quarterbacks that you feel like, shoot, man, he's
gonna make us pay. He's gonna he's gonna get to
the right look, they're gonna he's gonna be accurate with
the football, and then it's gonna be a big play,
which then forces people to kind of get out of
their exotic pressure. So I do think you still have
to be able to stit in there and win the
pocket simultaneously. Like listen, if the dude can get out
(20:36):
and roll and he could make some plays, I think
we would be doing a disservice to the offense as
a whole to restrict that. I think the biggest adjustment,
honestly is the mentality of it. I think you know,
we see it with the guys when they go from
high school to college calls the NFL where you know,
I tell you, in high school, who really cares how
many times this kid carries the football right because he's
(20:56):
probably bigger, faster, stronger than everybody else out there. And
then college you just want to see him progressively get
smarter with taking care of his body when he is
on the perimeter. I think it's less about touches and
less about style of play and more about, hey, are
you smart when you're on the perimeter, like you know,
for you know, first and ten, we don't need you,
(21:16):
you know, getting hit if you're on the perimeter, get down,
you know, those two or three yards we can live without.
But then when it's like a gut to have a situation,
I think you're seeing these quarterbacks go out and make
more plays, and you know, I think it's just a
sign of the times, and I think it's a good
thing and it's making for more explosive football talk with
Tim Jenkins at t Jenkins Elite.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know, Tim, we got flag football coming up in
the in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Any thought to maybe warming up the old cannon and
see what you could do by getting a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Here's the deal. I was throwing at our high school
camp this week, and I was thinking to myself, I
still got some juice in the quick game.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You know, I think I get one through three and
kind of.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Get the ball out. But you want me to drive
the ball down the field, I'd be in trouble. But yeah,
flag would be my game. I started having PTSD thinking
about getting in the pads again and having guys like
Nick t Off on me on the edge.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
So I, uh yeah, I think I'm you know, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
With the flag stuff. But listen, we got a really
big We've got a big season coming up. We've got
Mac Jenkins third grade tackle team. So you know, we've
been deep in OTAs. We're allowed to have OTAs nowadays
in youth football, so we've been deep in it. The
playbooks getting installed. Max is struggling with his footwork on
op pass right sale. We're having issues there, but he's
(22:28):
gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
What are we what are we running this year?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We run the spread? What do we we get some
kind of option stuff built in? What are we what
are we dealing with?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah? You know me, We're We're we're doing too much.
The parents have looks at the playbook they've had some questions.
You know, we're doing a lot of r PO, but.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
We're you know me, then we're getting under center.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
We're gonna run the football. We're gonna have a lot
of run action, and then of course we're gonna put
it dam right. We're gonna be hammered and overs and
see if guys can cover depots all the way across
the field. I'm a feeling they're gonna struggle at the
third grade level to do that, but we will.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
We'll see it well with Tam.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know, building a foundation for young quarterbacks or any
quarterbacks for that matter, is really important. When when you're
talking to some of these young quarterbacks, what are some
of the basic skill sets that you're trying to instill
in them that they can take and continue to grow
as they develop as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's such a good question.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I tell you, it's honestly changed over the last ten years.
At the beginning of my career developing these guys, it
was all about biomechanics, like nobody really knew how to
throw the football. Well, now we have an epidemic of
driving range quarterbacks, Like we have so many dudes that
look the part and shorts and a T shirt and
then you tell them, hey, you know, take an inside
done seven hitch. These guys have no idea what to
(23:42):
do footwork wise, and then we've forgotten that.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You know, hey, man, it's awesome if you could throw
the ball, But.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Ninety nine percent of what makes guys great in the
NFL has nothing to do physically right, And I think
that's the hardest part about evaluating the kids too, is
I mean, how many guys do you see go out
there and rip it and you go, man, this gid
could probably play.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
What we forget is that, like, hey, can you get
us in and out of the right play?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Can you get us in the right protection. But really
that's where our focus has been. It's been on footwork,
it's been on whiteboard, it's been on football IQ because
that's I think kind of the dying piece of quarterback play,
you know, And you can't blame the kids. I think
progressively we've gotten further, you know, we've gotten more out
from being under center, so we're in gun more so
(24:28):
the footwork has gone by the wayside, and then I
think we've kind of tried to simplify football and instead
of processing the information just go fast and hope for
a bus and listen. It works. It works at a
lot of levels for a lot of football games. It
never gets you over the hump though, right, It never
gets you like long success and championships by just trying
(24:51):
to expedite that process. So, you know, that's what we're
trying to grind away at the guys. And I think
that's if you were to really, you know, ask hey,
you know, NFL quarterback coaches, what's the biggest thing you
guys are seeing. I think they're you know, they're they're
seeing guys that show up on campus and it's like, okay, hey,
let's walk through. You know, where's the nickel on this
play versus you know, drawing them up as just another dB.
(25:12):
I just think that's kind of a lost art. But
I think that's where you're going to see guys like
Sean Payton really be able to develop bow whereas I
think there's some other quarterbacks who aren't systems that maybe
aren't you know, as exact, and I think you'll start
to see these guys plateau.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Do you think there's a minimum threshold though, in terms
of moving to the professional game for some of these
traits and tools before you get to that, because you know,
I would say that if you were to put Shidharth
Sanders and cam Ward's side by side, I would say
shed were Sanders football like you, seems to be higher. However,
cam Ward, who's built like Jakobe Brissette and has a
cannon for an arm, goes number one overall and Sanders
goes on day three.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Is there is there a minimum threshold?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is this just simply old school bias in terms of
you know, I'm looking for the you know, the size
and the rocket arm and we'll figure it out from there.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
And I think that's such a good question. Man. I
wish we could do a four hour segment and hammer
like twelve Modellos.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I think you're dead on there's a minimum threshold, right,
Like you know, the Chad Penningkins of the world, I
think are gone. Like I don't think it can be
just a strictly anticpiratory thrower and have no arm, Like
I just don't think you can do that anymore because
there are too many guys that can throw the heck
out of it.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
What I will say is I honestly like if you were.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
To ask me for like my actual deep thoughts on this,
I think I think we overvalue the traits. But I
think because of the you know, NFLPA, they've negotiated such
a great deal for veterans and horrible deal for guys
trying to make a roster that we I also think
gone are the days that we're gonna see a seventh
(26:48):
round draft pick go and turn into a good player,
Like we won't see Kurt Warner anymore. I don't think
we won't really see, you know, the Tom Braze of
the world. You know, every once in a while, sure
you can see a rock party, but I just think
the amount of reps so minimize that I don't even
think we're gonna notice if, you know, the Russell Wilson
gets taken in the third round or whatever, because I
think we're geared so much towards our one now that
(27:12):
that's actually hurting the quarterback meritocracy, I think more than anything.
And there's just no reps to go around, and I
think ultimately it's gonna be detrimental. I think we got
to figure out some way to correct that, where you know,
we're not stressing the best bodies and doing all this
other stuff, But we can, you know, try to give
these you know, undrafted linebackers a shot to make the
(27:33):
roster because listen to me, if you know, quarterbacks one thing,
but if you look at like playing any other position, Like,
I don't know how a guy who hits and that's
what he's known for makes a roster if he's undrafted. Nowadays,
you get like three days of hitting at camp, right
So to me, it's like, how is he going to
show what he can do? But you know, all the
guys that can run around and kind of shorten a
(27:54):
T shirt, like seven or seven guys, they look great,
and I just you guys, know, man, that's not football.
And I think the Eagles and some teams like that
that have really set the standard at the line of
scrimmage kind of showing everybody like you're never going to
get away from this being a you know, highly violent,
highly physical game. And I just think we've we've maybe
(28:14):
kind of gone too far in terms of letting, you know,
the PA kind of drive certain things that might not
actually be in the best interest of the game.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know, dam I'm in line with you on that
because I've always said this.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I've gotten a lot of you know, backlines from
it because the guy who I believe is really important
on the team and he never really gets some props,
is that backup quarterback. That backup quarterback is asked to
do a lot of things. You have to study during
the week and make sure that you're prepared just in
case you have to go into the game and it
may never happen. So I think that what the league
(28:50):
should do is build some kind of relationship with the USFL.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So so those backup quarterbacks who.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Are not getting those significant amount of reps to develop
that they can now jump to somewhat of a spring
league to get that time and work on that timing
so when they come back to the team, someone.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Else has already developed a quarterback for you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Would you be in favor of the NFL building something
like that with the USFL.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, I think you, I Nick, you're dead on, and
you've got to because we eliminated you know, and I
don't know, maybe it's changed again, but for a while
we had eliminated that basically, that third quarterback right because
it was like used to have them for free. In
a way, now to me, it's like we're kind of
eliminated that. I think you're dead on. You know, we're
seeing a movement where it's like it feels like you
have a young starter, right, and then you have like
(29:37):
basically another coach as your backup because you just don't
want to look stupid if you got to put them
in there. But hey, we're giving another guy all the reps.
So yeah, I think you're dead on. I think they've
got to figure that out, some sort of way to
develop keep those guys. You know, you've got to keep
those quarterbacks getting reps and in your system, not running
scout and it's just it's hard. We're seeing and I
(30:00):
think we're seeing a lack of development, and I ultimately think,
like you guys know, every single position is like so
important in football.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
With that being said, the product of the NFL is going.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
To live and you know, die with the quarterback position.
If we have twelve great ones, it's going to be
a pretty solid game, like we've seen. If we can
somehow get to where you got thirty two of them,
like it would be whatever it is now TV ratings,
it would be even bigger because.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
You'd actually have a shot with some of these you
know guys.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And you wouldn't have to construct it where you're going
young quarterback, good everywhere else and hope the kid can
survive and it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. I think
you're dead on them with something like that, Nick, And
I think I also think it's going to start the
college game. You know, the college game is getting rewarded for.
You know, we're getting a little bit dumber on offense
just to go faster, which, of course these kids show
(30:54):
up behind. You know, we're seeing a resurgence of you know,
now all of a sudden, I'm getting on draft Twitter.
I'm seeing, Hey, actually we want a minimum man, a
man like, hey, here's the minimal man of Rosie want.
We want to see more throws from these kids, right,
they're getting rewarded for saying in college, whereas it was
six years ago it was like, hey, if you're a
fourth year quarterback like Barkley coming out and everybody's like, oh,
(31:16):
that's a reflax, right, So to me, it's like, I
think we're we're seeing a resurgence in some of the
developmental aspects, but ultimately it'll be at the college level.
I think that'll have to drive it to where these
guys show up a little bit more prepared, and then
the NFL coaches, man, they're going to just have to
start to earn your check and we're gonna actually have
to develop these guys versus, you know, just throw them
in there and and and kind of count on their
(31:37):
athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Real quick tim one minutes before we got hit the brake.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But of the second year quarterbacks, not including bo Nicks,
what do you expect to have a big breakout year?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Oh man, that's such a great question. I don't think
you can say Jay and Daniel because I think he
had a good year last year, right.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So at least Caleb.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, you could say Kaylee. But I kind of want
to go Drake may So. I think maybe Rabel gets
it going a little bit up there. You know. He
seems like one of those guys who's you know, probably
all pissed off at the PA because they can't hit
as much either. It feels like he'll I feel like
he's gonna get that team playing a little bit a
(32:17):
little bit better than it was. Listen, I think the
Mayo dude got you know, kind of screwed up there.
But I do think Rabel's a heck of a coach.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see
what what that kid can do in here.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Two sounds good, Tim, Always appreciate your time and look
forward to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Get here soon.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, keep me the loop, fellaws.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I appreciate you absolutely, brother. Take here, Tim Jackins at
tj Inkins Delete. We gotta a break. We'll be back
after this
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