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Speaker 1 (00:00):
She copied my beard. It's gonna be a thing for
a while.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ard uh huh, mostly because I'm jealous of the fact
that your beard came in right away and mine's still
sitting here like, uh, you know. In homage to Ryan's
former band, Patchwork in Blue five six six nine zero
is the text line, and some nice text come in
for Ryan here. We were giving him a little guff
about his his former band or whatever. But uh uh.
The A two A just went and listened to Ryan's
(00:26):
band on YouTube. Ryan's not a good pats work Blue
as for blue as his band name. Wicked Smile is
the song it's on YouTube, Wicked Smile. The song was good.
The socks, the the socks, the mid the mid calf socks.
He's it was a live performance, so women were swooning.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But he's got but he's got the high socks. You
know what I'm talking about, Like tube socks high. Yeah.
M interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So anyway, if you get a chance to uh to
check that out. We had a lot of a lot
of good feedback here on the text blasts.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah interesting, It's an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I've been ankle socks guy for so long I don't
even remember what other socks feel like.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like ankle like no show, right, I mean, you know,
hold up his foot. I can't. Your monitor is in
the waves. Oh, I mean turn all the ways, thank you? Yes,
no show ankle socks. I've been doing no show ankle
socks for so long.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't even I don't remember what regular socks are.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Like, that's the I like the no show ankle socks.
Not big on the tube socks anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, we watched.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Had a thing like I remember back in like he well, yeah,
I like you remember the three striped socks back in
the like the the late eighties, early nineties, Like I
remember that, But I like, when.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Did we make the switch to ankle socks. When was that?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Like was that or late nineties early two thousands?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, I'm thinking a lot of that happened.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, uh, late nineties, mid nineties had to be yes,
because I remember you had the baggy shorts and you
still had high socks at that point.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Remember whateverbody had like the shock shorts, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The trunks, and like everybody still had the high socks.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Though at that point, see you only had the tube
socks or just a plain white sox that looked like tube.
They came up Aqua High. See that was in California.
Yeah right, and you had to wear them with some
some Chuck Taylor's or just regular sandals.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, yes, Well I don't I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Trying to remember week because now this is bugging me,
like when everybody made the switch to ankle socks, because
I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I remember when everybody's doing, well, you grew up, that's
what you've made.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I guess, but I mean, like ankle socks
weren't a thing before.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It had been late nineties, early two thousands. It had
to be, and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I just don't remember exactly when, And I don't know
I could warn the ankle socks and I never looked
back when the.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Fanny pack phased out, No, that was the eighties.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Many packs still rolling around the early nineties, but that
that faded out.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that was waye See when you.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Think about Seegers generation now, you don't even know what
the fanny people. No, no, no, they brought the fanny
Pelly brought it back, right because it started off with
those supreme fanny packs. Fanny packs kind of popular, like.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
The brand Supreme Diana Ross. No, it wasn't Diana pizza
was everything on it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It was supreme, like those Supreme shirts or maybe long sleeve.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Like fleece type sweaters.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Dude, they caused like three twenty five and all they
had was Supreme on it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Really, no Lulevaton.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Do you remember that, Lauren, Yes, Zach knows what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Late twenty tens.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, people would line up around the block and it'd
be like a crowbar that had a.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Supreme sticker on it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's it, and it would go for a few thousand
dollars and people would line up for a hour.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I remember this. What was I doing? Who knows something? No? No,
it was pre COVID. Yes, I don't remember this at all,
even when I was hip. Yeah, when I remember hype yes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, hype beasts were all into Supreme stuff. Okay, yes,
what was what?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That was?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The San Francisco coach and hold that one. All the
young players, that's all they talked about. It was Supreme,
that Supreme men. And that's when I was like, wait
a minute, are you guys now rocking fanny packs?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And it wasn't. Now the fanny packs were not being
worn like they were worn in the eighties. Now I
saw some of that kind of studying over the shoulder
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I had a friend in high school who showed up
and was trying to flex his fanny pack and I
was like, I've had a shark on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It, and I was like, I could not this here.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, this is not You would have gotten brutally made fun.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Of it high school, in my high school, if you well,
what's the game?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
This is where fashion has definitely changed. All you have
to do is watch any professional event. Like when you
think about NFL players now and the NBA players, I
don't know who dressed.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean the most ridiculous out of the group, because
this is like, man, what are we wearing? Well, yeah,
it's somebody stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like like Cam Newton walks around looking like a villain
from Dark Wing Duck all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Let's get dangerous. Yes, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I guess every generation or era it's always a fat,
the new fat. First it was skinny. Now skinny jeans
seems to be phasing out, and now everyone's going through
like these parachute pants.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We're back to Jenko's and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Like I don't know, like like hammer pants, I see
I saw a kid with some denim jeans on. It
looked like window curtains. That's what it is. What did
it look like? It looked like window crows are back?
You remember icis. Yeah, I don't know. I don't need
any part of that. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
One of the Texters was saying, I remember nineteen ninety
when Rex Chapman played for the Hornets, he got fine
for working socks that were shorter than the NBA minimum, right,
And that's why I was because I knew ankle socks
were around there. So it had been like ninety seven,
ninety eight, ninety nine somewhere in there.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Because I know, like with basketball, a lot of things change.
When the Fab five came, Yeah, they changed and everyone
had the big drunks and baggy shorts. Yeah, all of
that change then. And obviously that's when later on the
NBA had a dress code. Yeah, all for Allen Alberson
because they got yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, and then the shorts got to the point where
you couldn't know if they were shorts of big pants anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They were so big, like you were like, listen, I mean,
what would you rather have where those baggi shorts like
the five five or the John Stocktons Stocktons.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
No, I'm good, I'm good. I'm just hanging out. No,
that's not the time.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I No, you don't five six six Attually, I got
a lot of questions coming in here. We'll get that
six four six is R J. Harvey signing? Okay, I
get this question a lot. So let me let me
explain this. How these are J Baron signed, uh, and
he's ready to go. The second rounders from this past draft,
they're all pushing for fully guaranteed deals. You know, the
first rounds are now pretty much get that, uh, and
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the second rounders now want that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And so Harvey with all.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The other second rounders are basically holding out for fully
guaranteed deals. And you've already had two second routers sign
fully guaranteed deals. Uh, Higgins was one down there with Houston,
and I can't remember the.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Other one who signed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I think it's the Browns one of their one of
their second riders signed.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And so that that's what that is like. It's not
not just an R. J. Harvey.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Think the entire second round of the draft classes holding
out for fully guaranteed deals, and those.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Dominos will fall as soon as UH. I think move. Yeah,
uh Squeshing her, That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Who's Who's the next one that was drafted after them?
Was that Imori Nicki mcwariy the safety.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That sounds right, let me double chuck it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Whenever he signs, that's when the dominos, whoever was signed after,
whoever was drafted after Higgins was Queshing or whatever, he
signs and gets fully guaranteed deal, all the rest of
these dominos will fall.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So that's that's that's where that stands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think this is great, uh for the players to
actually do this because whatever the guy gets who's drafted
in front of you, I mean it's because a haircut, well, well,
your salary is kind of set. But if you can
get some guarantees as a second rounder, why not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think this is where we're going.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We're going to move, even though the league and the
owners are not going to like this, but I think
this is where where we're looking at and knowing is
what you put your body through. And all you have
to do is if you're a young guy coming in
the league, you and you know the history of the league,
and you watch other guys that have come before you,
you know what weights you down the road. So why
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not have your guarantees?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, And I think that's the way that everybody's trying
to do this is get more guarantees and push that
culture early with guys coming in through the draft.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And you know, so far.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's working, and you've got a whole second round classes
holding out together trying to get.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That And I love every aspect of it because when
you think about negotiations and labor and all of those
things that factor into negotiations, there's thirty two owners. Those
guys are gonna stick together. And I can tell you
what the owners bet on more so than anything else,
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the guys not sticking together. All you have to do
is go back to nineteen eighty four when there was
a strike and you had guys coming across the picking line. Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's like you're trying to fight to improve.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The benefits based on what your job costs for you
to have, right, But then you got scab players crossing
the pick a line pretty much trying to nullify what
you're trying to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, I think those guys are like, this is my
one shot to make it in the league. I'm gonna
come out here, and you know, and that kind of
stuff and have a story to tell.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I get what.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I get both sides of that that argument. But yeah,
I mean at the end, the players are starting to
figure out, Hey, this is the way we got to
get guarantees. This is how we have to do it.
You can't do it all at once. You chip away,
chip away, chip away. Now we've got all the first
rounds getting full of guaranteed money. Now you're working on
all the second round. Try to get guaranteed money. Next thing,
you know, it would be the third round, now, you know,
and you just keep chipping away.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And here's the beauty of it for me, is that
you have guys and their representatives deciding to collectively do
this when you would think it would come from the PA.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But it can't come for the PA because they're not
officially NFL players, and it can't be collusion because these
players aren't under contract exactly. So it ends up working
out with you know, it ends up being a you know,
a thing that if you guys can stick to your guns,
you'll you'll end up getting it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
But now we see that this is sort of a
thing that we typically see in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We don't see it in the NFL, So the players need.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
To realize and understand that, yes, you do have a
certain amount of power and leverage, even though the bulk
of it goes to the team. This is probably the
opportunity if you stick together.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
One player can't do it well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think we're uniquely in an arrow where you can
stick together because most of these players that are being
taken in the second round are guys that made nil money, right,
and so they've got a cushion to fall back on
to be able to wait this thing out, where previously
they didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So now if you are the NFL and guys are
now making millions of dollars like Shadora Sanders did in NILS,
guys are not coming into the league.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As thirsty as they once were.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Which which could be a problem because I saw some
of the word Johnny Manziel said that if there was
in Io money when he was playing, he wouldn't have
come out when he did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, and probably would have been better for it. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He may have also crashed and burned. And you know
in college with that much money, we saw what happened
when he got that money out of pros. You know,
you know, Johnny was one of those guys that just
did it didn't click for him till later in life today.
You know, sometimes you got to be accountable, responsible.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm a you know, I'm a forty four year old,
twenty four year old, you know, like I understand I
understand that about you know, the responsibility to accountability sometimes
and those kinds of things. I'm an overgrown kid when
it comes to some things.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So do you think that in iow, money the guy's
making now at some point is going to be problematic
for the lead because they're not going to be able
to control these kids in a narrative because they're coming
in the door with money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think it gives them the ability to be able
to do these kinds of things collectively, hold out, collectively
do those things because nobod's hurting for money.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You don't have every guy looking out for themselves because
they're all at least comfortable right now, like, hey, I
got to know that I can, I can sit here
and do this. And so, you know, I think good
for them. I'm happy and I'm glad they're securing that
because again, the you know how many guys even make
it off the first NFL contract, So I also believe
it or not helps And I know nobody's worried about
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the agents, but it actually helps the agents out and
helps make the agency process better because you can't have
the Drew Rosenhauses in the world holding a grasp with
marketing guarantees to the select few, whereas some of these
fringe agencies can get their three percent back off a
fully guaranteed deal and they're actually able to pay because
if you're if you're an agent at a boutique firm,
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and you got four or five clients, right, and you
put a guy through training and everything else for the
combine alms he can dress sect there, you're not making
money on that guy till a second contract. You're at
a loss. So I fa that guy doesn't even make
it to a second contract, you're lost. That's why you
see so few aged, why all these guys are concentrated
with a few different agencies. This will help level the
playing field the agency thing. And I know nobody's crying
about that, but from friends of mine, I'm kind of like, man,
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this is this is a big deal. In the way
that it's gonna help, you know, with those kind of
things real quick. One of the things the six four
six Manziel came for rich family, He actually didn't, Okay,
he did not. That was a lie that him and
his buddy who was his de facto manager, put out
and it spread like wildfire.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He was he was not wealthy at all. Watch the
Netflix today. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I knew, we we knew, we knew he was lying
about his and that's he was lying to cover up
for benefits that he was getting at A and m
I say it all, I have money, so nobody would
ever question if he showed up with a new car
or any of that kind of stuff, like the benefits
that he was getting back at A. And then back
in the day that they yeah, they lied and said
they came from uh came from oil money and uh
they didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Johnny Manziel but did not have money going to college.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
One thing guy can say and that I appreciate. I
appreciate about Johnny Manziel and the group he had around him.
I mean obviously were even some kind of really findbuoyant
life and living larger than what they needed. To. They
did a great job of marketing and creating.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The pr was phenomenal that brand.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And I would if you haven't seen that, I think
it's on Netflix, the series, just just go and watch it.
It's it's a story that's going to shed some light
on Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But it's still for me, it's still kind.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Of heartbreaking because here's a guy who was very talented
and his hits started to swell with the people around him.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And this is where athletes, celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Of whomever you are, you have to be constantly aware
all those individuals because you have people in your immediate
circle and they don't wish you well. They're just leeches
and if they can piggyback off your success, they will.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
People do that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You great up about lottery people that had that kind
of stuff too, that all these leeches come out the
woodwork trying to you know, trying to do this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Five six six nine text I had a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Of great questions coming in here busically text line tonight,
let's see we got one here. But do you think
mclar Terry mclaugh and James Cook contracts settle and they
play opening day deadlines?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Create action.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Mclauren, I do believe it'll get done. They just there's
there's been a sort of a sticking point on how
that thing is structured. And then they're far apart on
some of the money. But they don't need to be
like they can get there on the money. The reality
is the structure of it, because Washington wants to be
able to get out from under it after two years,
and mclauren wants like a four you know, gear deal
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guaranteed out to the fourth year because he knows it's
gonna be the last pay McLaren's thirty years old. He
knows it's gonna be his last payday as a wide receiver,
I would say, And.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Obviously Adam Peters knows what he's doing. But if I
am in mclaurin's camp, knowing as though you're not going
to get those four years, try to get the most
money you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's what he's trying to do. But he doesn't want it.
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He wants the money instead of front loaded, he wants
it spread out. So he's gonna wind up getting all
four years and getting all that money because they can't
cut him because the money spread out on the back
end where it makes it prohibitively expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Look, if you can get the sign and bonus to
give you the guarantee money right off to bet, and
then look at your annual salary and try to get
that increase to where it's at the top number for
the top receiver in the league. I would suggest that. Now,
I would say, avoid having any massive incentives in your contract.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's the way I always tell guys when whenever I
get asked the advice, I tell you guys the same thing.
If you're in your twenties, get the thing frontloaded. You
want to get to your next pay day as quickly
as possible. Get that thing frontloaded so that you can
re up as quickly as possible. Once you get to
thirty years old. Get that thing backloaded so that it
effectively guarantees the whole contract by accident.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now teams kind of know this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They're not stupid, and they're not gonna you know, they
don't want to do that as well, but try to sneak.
You know, if you can try to do that as
much as possible, you'll guarantee yourself actually more money. Once
you get into your thirties, you'll guarantee yourself more money
doing it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
See, like when you think about show hey Otani's contract
with the Dodgers, right, it's bloody brilliant.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well yeah, it's all deferred to tell you playing the
league anymore?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right? Is this like yet even you're not playing, you
just walking through the mill box picking up a check.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
This is the Bobby Bonilla, Yes, you know theo Bobby
Bonia still makes a million dollars every year in the
middle of what June? I think it is Bible Bonia?
What is it June something? We just celebrated it. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
but Bobby when he gets a million dollars every year
still by body had places what the nineties?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, I mean that's that's a hell of a deal.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
He gets paid for another I think he still gets
paid for another seven years, yes, until twenty thirty five. Wow,
every July first. Ye, he gets one point one nine
million every year every year from twenty eleven to twenty
thirty five. Great deal, and it was initially it would
have been five point nine million. Because of this preferred deal,
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it's what one point nine times twenty five? So repeat
it very well?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, good for uh, good for Bobby b h.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We got a lot of stuff coming down on the
text side, so we'll we'll get to a lot of
that stuff here when we come back. We got to
hit a break pitch show tonight. Jack Corgan's gonna join
the Top of the Hour saw Jack earlier today, Ryan Blackburn,
Tuck Alba seven thirty. You guys list the Broncos country
to night, figure out Kawa six sixt nine zeros in
text line. A lot of great texts coming in. Appreciate
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you guys. Just go look up a pic of baby Bonia.
He looks like a Thanksgiving parade float. Now, God, big dude,
Bobby's a big Bobby's a big fellow. What do you
expect to happen?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, you just walk through the mailbox and you
get a million dollars into what Zack said twenty thirty five,
and you're not playing anymore. I mean you you're resting
your feeder, your feeder up.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean can look at ivery once, yes, exactly, cashing
a million dollars checks your life first every year, just
saying seven figure salary for doing nothing, that tostutely nothing. Yeah,
that dude is posted up at fort living room. You know,
living his best life, just saying probably.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Has one of those rumors, those little things that clean
up room, that brings him his drinks on the sofa.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's get a room just to bring me my drink.
Let's bring me the drinks and get thrown for that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Five six, six nine zeros of text.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
A lot of stuff coming in seven to two oh
five point Nick. These cats are coming in and leave
with money now, well, which is great, but fully guaranteeing
seems a little problematic to me for second round rooks.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Go prove yourself young players. I get the whole.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Idea of going to prove your play yourself. And Sam
Brafford was the last guy to be the benefactor of
what the rule was at the time, and then it
was collective bargain because idea and I give what you're saying,
why should you guarantee a certain amount of money for
a guy coming into the league. Well, once again, this
is the second round draft choice. He's not getting paid
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like a first rounder. He's not making that Sam Bradford
type of money. But I still believe that there's certain
guarantees that teams can actually make without you know, putting
them in some kind of financial run.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, Bradford made something like one hundred and thirty million
over his career as well.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Seventy eight of that came on that first deal.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So we used to have rookies that came in that
hadn't proved it that made a ton of money with that.
I don't think that that making getting guaranteed contracts with
these scond rounders, I don't think that's problematic at all.
I think you know, you still have to go out
and prove yourself. You're still got to go out and
beat the other guys on the roster or else. You know,
you got that little paycheck and that's it you want more, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But yeah, but I understand being a former player, is
that trying to get some guarantees. As far as injuries,
we know injuries are going to happen. The only thing
we don't know is when they're going to happen. And
we know, with the CBA being what it is right now,
you're not having those physical practices like I had or
Steve Atwood had right well, so we know once you
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get to the season with very limited preseason snaps, injuries
are plentiful. So you want to make sure that you
protect yourself as the team tried to protect themselves. That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's a business deal and I think that's and I
think it's a good thing. Seven two Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What about a kid who doesn't like who drafted him
and it holds out, just goes back to school because
you've got an I all money to set out for
a year.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's always been You've always been able to do that.
Bo Jackson did it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, Bo Jackson didn't want to play for the tamp
Bay Bucceteers. He held out a year, came back, and
came back with the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Think about this, Think about this really quickly.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
John Elway was drafted by I think it was the
Colts and he was like, I wanna play for them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm gonna play for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So just think about what NIO money would have been
like for John Elway at that time. He couldn't have
even told the Yankees go ahead and kick rocks right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And for me, he was able to.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do that because he didn't liked the organization that he
was going to. And sometimes when you draft the guy,
especially at the quarterback musician, that high in a draft,
what that means is that that team you're going to
They're awful. They want you to come in and turn
their franchise from clauk Kent to Superman.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, and it's virtually possible. And Superman said, no, I'm
going back. Po Jackson said, no, I'm going back. I
can't do it. This whole team is kyptonite.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And I think it's why you should have guaranteed contracts
in Part four. Of these young guys coming in, especially
like a second round pick, you have no saying where
you're going. You can be totally screwed just by your
destination before you even step foot in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And we're talking about minimal contra tracks. If I like R. J.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Harvey, was a complete disaster and had to be, you know,
cut after one season, it's like a five million dollar
dead cap hit. That's not wrecking any team. I'd provide
some players some well earned security. You've been a good
enough player in your football career to be a top
sixty four pick.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You you deserve to make some money for that. I'd
accomplish it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I feel like the first by the end of this
the first three third rounds will all be guaranteed, and
the Day three stuff won't be you know, but I.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Mean, and that's probably where we'll end up with it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But I do like the fact that it's bringing guaranteed
contract culture to the NFL. I don't know if entirely
guaranteed contracts throughout the entire.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
League is feasible.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I will say if you do, it'll depress the salaries
at the top, Like it'll make the quarterback salaries come down,
because they're fully guaranteeing those numbers would be his good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Don't want that. They absolutely don't want the same pageant.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And it's the same problem you're going to get in
the Players Association. You're gonna get all the big time players.
You're like, wait a minute, I don't want to cut
into my money to help everybody out. And so you're
gonna have those guys tell the other guys, hey, you
want to be like me someday you don't want this,
and then they're going to shoot themselves in the foot
voting for something that actually doesn't help them out at all.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Ing ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So I'm just you know, it's you know, from the inside,
most of the fans, I think don't don't understand some
of some of how that stuff goes h. So to
Harvey says JK. Dobbins still be aiming to take the
number one spot at twenty one year old. Estimate, that's
gonna want to prove a game that he belongs here.
I don't want him falling behind talking about R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Harvey holding out for that for that guarantee, buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, I get it, but he was also drafted
in the second round, and they know.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I mean JK.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Dobbins had two really good games last year and then
the rest of the rest of the you know, he
had some okay games, but they weren't nearly as good
as those first two games last year.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know, estimate.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I didn't see anything last year said this is the dude.
I mean, I'm hoping that he turns that of but
I didn't see anything that said that. So, you know,
I don't think Harvey's too worried about that.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I wouldn't be too worried about it either if I
am Rjorie Harvey. All you think you worry about is
making sure that you can and keep that momentum moving
forward that you generated in the off season with OTAs,
because I mean, missing a couple of days as you
try to figure out your contract isn't going to change
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how the team sees.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You, because just what Augisime was here last year, he
was a healthy scratch with the Buffalo game.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And guess what now the Broncos have two new running backs.
So how much do they feel about aug Estime that
they win and brought competition.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For you just saying that's and that's the other part
of that. I don't I don't think that R. J.
Harvey has anything to worry about there.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Three six.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, Bobby, Bobby's not drinking apple sider vinegar, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, it may have a little spice in it, but
it's not apple side vinegar for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, I'm six four six.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
NFL teams make so much money, guaranteeing round two is
peanuts for them.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
As Zach pointed out earlier, Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I mean, and that's the thing you're going to see
with with guaranteed contract culture, You're going to see the
NFL shift to probably those first three rounds getting fully
guaranteed off and then from there probably not. I can't
see that, you know, just based on knowing how teams
strategize drafting those first three rounds versus drafting rounds four
through the undrafted guys. A lot of that stuff is
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just get drafted the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
A lot of that's just dart throws.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
They're just taking chances on character guys, and they're drafting
them to make sure they don't hit undrafted free agent
they have options, right, you know they're not. This is
not this is the next best guy hit. A lot
of cases, a lot of cases rounds four through seven.
It's just we're taking we're taking chances on athleticism, We're
taking chances on uh, maybe a.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Character guy whatever that. That's that's what those rounds are
for for me.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Also, what I look at this too is that it
puts a little pressure on the coaching staff. And here's
why I say that, even though you're guaranteeing just a
fraction of what that second round draft choice contract is
going to be, it's going to force those coaches and say, okay,
well we guarantee him this amount of money. Well we're
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gonna squeeze his limits and we get all the juice.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So I say, second and third rounders might get a
few more chances that they wouldn't have gotten previously.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It might might kind of help with development of those
kind of things.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Seven to twos. It's called draft for reason. It's not
burger king.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You don't get it your way, So you don't get
a crowd either.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, well no you.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But once again, when teams put so much stock and
so much time into evaluating players and you select a
player at a certain position, you're selecting him for a
particular reason.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
There's something that you see in that particular player.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And I mean, obviously I wasn't drafted, and it's easier
for someone who's not in the position to say that.
And I would think whomever that text was, if they
were in the position.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Of Shamar Stewart or R. J.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Harvey, they would have a different frame of mind because
now someone else will be counted.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The duck is going in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Right, Yeah, So there you go, six four sixpenny, Nick,
did you hold out on temper for guaranteed money and parking?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, parking is we have some incentives in the DNA.
Will uh, we'll put that way, Nick said, he went
he went on draft.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's better. When I was drafted into the army, did
there was a I was talking about things you couldn't say,
did you ever watch Theapelle show that met have been
before your time? I've seen episodes of it. It was before
my time, but I mean it's a it's a classic.
You could find a replay on comedy side for whatever
spring up.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I definitely it was a point.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It was a point in the television back in the day,
like it was sick, you huddled around, you didn't have
TVO and all that stuff. Yet you walked, you came
when Felis show was that you sat down for the
new episode because it was you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I didn't get away with that stuff now. That's why
I'm still surprised that what they do on the South part.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, and they still and they get away with it.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
For me, I'm always I've always said that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
The comedic arena should be a protected space, right like
in the sense that you could say what you say
in there and you understand that it's under the structure
of comedy. You may not laugh at it, you may
not think it's funny, but in that arena you should
be allowed to say.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You gotta be really careful because now that opens the
door for other people to say things and say, you know,
I was just joking.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's like, nah, there was a little truth that, well,
you weren't at the comedy club. If you're on TV,
it's a little bit different. But if you're down at
the if there's a brick wall behind you, if you
got a microphone stand and you're you know, you're at
the comedy seller, that's a little bit different. Of course,
then you get into Michael Richard's territorywhere else sitting here
like all right, well, you know, I can't defend that.
I like that Andy Warhol quote. Art is getting away
with it if it's funny, Like that's why south Park works.
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There's no rules that say, like south Park can make
this joke and you can't. They're able to get away
with it because if they keep it funny, like they may,
they find the angle to make it funny.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
But even when they do that, there's certain people that
carry the joke a little too far and the ideas
that well, since everyone laughed at it, then it must
be okay. It was like, no, some of those people
are laughing because they're going like that was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So egregious and ridigulous. Oh, I can't believe that. You.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he's in a group of friends before and everyone's
cracking jokes and one guy takes it too far and
it's like whoa, yeah, you know, like that's the guy
who screwed up. Not everyone right, and I think at
the same in instance, probably a little bit of that.
We got some other stuff want to get to. We
got Jack Corgan coming up here next, good chance talk
a little bit about the rock He's had a chance
to chat with Jack earlier today. We had a little
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meeting here at the Heart Building. He shout down my
Hidecki Curry, I'm a plan and you had a really
good reason for shooting it down. Uh So maybe we'll
get a chance to ask him about that and some
Rockies questions. Whatever you guys want to We hat Ryan
Blackburn coming up with the bottom of the arm. I
want to get back to some of these text questions.
Some of you guys have some great ones. I'll get
I'll hit one real quick on the way out. Uh
Semone forces aren't coaching contracts guaranteed. Seems weird that those
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are and others aren't. Yes, they are, but coaching contracts
don't count against the salary cap and that's why.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And they don't have a union.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You could fire well, right, you could fire five, six,
seven coaches in a row and it not tear up
your salary cap. Whereas if you did that with fully
guaranteed quarterback contracts, you know, you wouldn't be able to
field the team.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know what, maybe teams should do that, Start to
guarantee coaches contracts to a certain degree because now putting
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
On those coaches, but also make teams.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Start doing better job as far as far as betting
their coaches.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Put a win, put a win escalator in there, put
a performance and sentivey there for coaches if you win.
Here's the escalator. Brus we take the bat playoffs. We're
taking some of this money fast. We'll fight over that
during the break. Broncos Country to Night back with Jack
Corgan after this
She copied my beard. It's gonna be a thing for
a while.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ard uh huh, mostly because I'm jealous of the fact
that your beard came in right away and mine's still
sitting here like, uh, you know. In homage to Ryan's
former band, Patchwork in Blue five six six nine zero
is the text line, and some nice text come in
for Ryan here. We were giving him a little guff
about his his former band or whatever. But uh uh.
The A two A just went and listened to Ryan's
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band on YouTube. Ryan's not a good pats work Blue
as for blue as his band name. Wicked Smile is
the song it's on YouTube, Wicked Smile. The song was good.
The socks, the the socks, the mid the mid calf socks.
He's it was a live performance, so women were swooning.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But he's got but he's got the high socks. You
know what I'm talking about, Like tube socks high. Yeah.
M interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So anyway, if you get a chance to uh to
check that out. We had a lot of a lot
of good feedback here on the text blasts.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah interesting, It's an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I've been ankle socks guy for so long I don't
even remember what other socks feel like.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like ankle like no show, right, I mean, you know,
hold up his foot. I can't. Your monitor is in
the waves. Oh, I mean turn all the ways, thank you? Yes,
no show ankle socks. I've been doing no show ankle
socks for so long.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't even I don't remember what regular socks are.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Like, that's the I like the no show ankle socks.
Not big on the tube socks anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, we watched.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Had a thing like I remember back in like he well, yeah,
I like you remember the three striped socks back in
the like the the late eighties, early nineties, Like I
remember that, But I like, when.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Did we make the switch to ankle socks. When was that?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Like was that or late nineties early two thousands?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, I'm thinking a lot of that happened.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, uh, late nineties, mid nineties had to be yes,
because I remember you had the baggy shorts and you
still had high socks at that point.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Remember whateverbody had like the shock shorts, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The trunks, and like everybody still had the high socks.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Though at that point, see you only had the tube
socks or just a plain white sox that looked like tube.
They came up Aqua High. See that was in California.
Yeah right, and you had to wear them with some
some Chuck Taylor's or just regular sandals.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, yes, Well I don't I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Trying to remember week because now this is bugging me,
like when everybody made the switch to ankle socks, because
I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I remember when everybody's doing, well, you grew up, that's
what you've made.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I guess, but I mean, like ankle socks
weren't a thing before.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It had been late nineties, early two thousands. It had
to be, and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I just don't remember exactly when, And I don't know
I could warn the ankle socks and I never looked
back when the.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Fanny pack phased out, No, that was the eighties.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Many packs still rolling around the early nineties, but that
that faded out.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that was waye See when you.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Think about Seegers generation now, you don't even know what
the fanny people. No, no, no, they brought the fanny
Pelly brought it back, right because it started off with
those supreme fanny packs. Fanny packs kind of popular, like.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
The brand Supreme Diana Ross. No, it wasn't Diana pizza
was everything on it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It was supreme, like those Supreme shirts or maybe long sleeve.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Like fleece type sweaters.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Dude, they caused like three twenty five and all they
had was Supreme on it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Really, no Lulevaton.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Do you remember that, Lauren, Yes, Zach knows what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Late twenty tens.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, people would line up around the block and it'd
be like a crowbar that had a.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Supreme sticker on it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's it, and it would go for a few thousand
dollars and people would line up for a hour.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I remember this. What was I doing? Who knows something? No? No,
it was pre COVID. Yes, I don't remember this at all,
even when I was hip. Yeah, when I remember hype yes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, hype beasts were all into Supreme stuff. Okay, yes,
what was what?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That was?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The San Francisco coach and hold that one. All the
young players, that's all they talked about. It was Supreme,
that Supreme men. And that's when I was like, wait
a minute, are you guys now rocking fanny packs?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And it wasn't. Now the fanny packs were not being
worn like they were worn in the eighties. Now I
saw some of that kind of studying over the shoulder
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I had a friend in high school who showed up
and was trying to flex his fanny pack and I
was like, I've had a shark on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It, and I was like, I could not this here.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, this is not You would have gotten brutally made fun.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Of it high school, in my high school, if you well,
what's the game?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
This is where fashion has definitely changed. All you have
to do is watch any professional event. Like when you
think about NFL players now and the NBA players, I
don't know who dressed.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I mean the most ridiculous out of the group, because
this is like, man, what are we wearing? Well, yeah,
it's somebody stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like like Cam Newton walks around looking like a villain
from Dark Wing Duck all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Let's get dangerous. Yes, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I guess every generation or era it's always a fat,
the new fat. First it was skinny. Now skinny jeans
seems to be phasing out, and now everyone's going through
like these parachute pants.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We're back to Jenko's and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Like I don't know, like like hammer pants, I see
I saw a kid with some denim jeans on. It
looked like window curtains. That's what it is. What did
it look like? It looked like window crows are back?
You remember icis. Yeah, I don't know. I don't need
any part of that. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
One of the Texters was saying, I remember nineteen ninety
when Rex Chapman played for the Hornets, he got fine
for working socks that were shorter than the NBA minimum, right,
And that's why I was because I knew ankle socks
were around there. So it had been like ninety seven,
ninety eight, ninety nine somewhere in there.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Because I know, like with basketball, a lot of things change.
When the Fab five came, Yeah, they changed and everyone
had the big drunks and baggy shorts. Yeah, all of
that change then. And obviously that's when later on the
NBA had a dress code. Yeah, all for Allen Alberson
because they got yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, and then the shorts got to the point where
you couldn't know if they were shorts of big pants anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They were so big, like you were like, listen, I mean,
what would you rather have where those baggi shorts like
the five five or the John Stocktons Stocktons.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
No, I'm good, I'm good. I'm just hanging out. No,
that's not the time.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I No, you don't five six six Attually, I got
a lot of questions coming in here. We'll get that
six four six is R J. Harvey signing? Okay, I
get this question a lot. So let me let me
explain this. How these are J Baron signed, uh, and
he's ready to go. The second rounders from this past draft,
they're all pushing for fully guaranteed deals. You know, the
first rounds are now pretty much get that, uh, and
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the second rounders now want that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And so Harvey with all.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The other second rounders are basically holding out for fully
guaranteed deals. And you've already had two second routers sign
fully guaranteed deals. Uh, Higgins was one down there with Houston,
and I can't remember the.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Other one who signed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I think it's the Browns one of their one of
their second riders signed.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And so that that's what that is like. It's not
not just an R. J. Harvey.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Think the entire second round of the draft classes holding
out for fully guaranteed deals, and those.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Dominos will fall as soon as UH. I think move. Yeah,
uh Squeshing her, That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Who's Who's the next one that was drafted after them?
Was that Imori Nicki mcwariy the safety.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That sounds right, let me double chuck it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Whenever he signs, that's when the dominos, whoever was signed after,
whoever was drafted after Higgins was Queshing or whatever, he
signs and gets fully guaranteed deal, all the rest of
these dominos will fall.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So that's that's that's where that stands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think this is great, uh for the players to
actually do this because whatever the guy gets who's drafted
in front of you, I mean it's because a haircut, well, well,
your salary is kind of set. But if you can
get some guarantees as a second rounder, why not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think this is where we're going.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We're going to move, even though the league and the
owners are not going to like this, but I think
this is where where we're looking at and knowing is
what you put your body through. And all you have
to do is if you're a young guy coming in
the league, you and you know the history of the league,
and you watch other guys that have come before you,
you know what weights you down the road. So why
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not have your guarantees?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, And I think that's the way that everybody's trying
to do this is get more guarantees and push that
culture early with guys coming in through the draft.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And you know, so far.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's working, and you've got a whole second round classes
holding out together trying to get.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That And I love every aspect of it because when
you think about negotiations and labor and all of those
things that factor into negotiations, there's thirty two owners. Those
guys are gonna stick together. And I can tell you
what the owners bet on more so than anything else,
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the guys not sticking together. All you have to do
is go back to nineteen eighty four when there was
a strike and you had guys coming across the picking line. Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's like you're trying to fight to improve.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The benefits based on what your job costs for you
to have, right, But then you got scab players crossing
the pick a line pretty much trying to nullify what
you're trying to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, I think those guys are like, this is my
one shot to make it in the league. I'm gonna
come out here, and you know, and that kind of
stuff and have a story to tell.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I get what.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I get both sides of that that argument. But yeah,
I mean at the end, the players are starting to
figure out, Hey, this is the way we got to
get guarantees. This is how we have to do it.
You can't do it all at once. You chip away,
chip away, chip away. Now we've got all the first
rounds getting full of guaranteed money. Now you're working on
all the second round. Try to get guaranteed money. Next thing,
you know, it would be the third round, now, you know,
and you just keep chipping away.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And here's the beauty of it for me, is that
you have guys and their representatives deciding to collectively do
this when you would think it would come from the PA.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But it can't come for the PA because they're not
officially NFL players, and it can't be collusion because these
players aren't under contract exactly. So it ends up working
out with you know, it ends up being a you know,
a thing that if you guys can stick to your guns,
you'll you'll end up getting it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
But now we see that this is sort of a
thing that we typically see in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We don't see it in the NFL, So the players need.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
To realize and understand that, yes, you do have a
certain amount of power and leverage, even though the bulk
of it goes to the team. This is probably the
opportunity if you stick together.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
One player can't do it well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think we're uniquely in an arrow where you can
stick together because most of these players that are being
taken in the second round are guys that made nil money, right,
and so they've got a cushion to fall back on
to be able to wait this thing out, where previously
they didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So now if you are the NFL and guys are
now making millions of dollars like Shadora Sanders did in NILS,
guys are not coming into the league.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As thirsty as they once were.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Which which could be a problem because I saw some
of the word Johnny Manziel said that if there was
in Io money when he was playing, he wouldn't have
come out when he did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, and probably would have been better for it. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He may have also crashed and burned. And you know
in college with that much money, we saw what happened
when he got that money out of pros. You know,
you know, Johnny was one of those guys that just
did it didn't click for him till later in life today.
You know, sometimes you got to be accountable, responsible.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm a you know, I'm a forty four year old,
twenty four year old, you know, like I understand I
understand that about you know, the responsibility to accountability sometimes
and those kinds of things. I'm an overgrown kid when
it comes to some things.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So do you think that in iow, money the guy's
making now at some point is going to be problematic
for the lead because they're not going to be able
to control these kids in a narrative because they're coming
in the door with money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think it gives them the ability to be able
to do these kinds of things collectively, hold out, collectively
do those things because nobod's hurting for money.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You don't have every guy looking out for themselves because
they're all at least comfortable right now, like, hey, I
got to know that I can, I can sit here
and do this. And so, you know, I think good
for them. I'm happy and I'm glad they're securing that
because again, the you know how many guys even make
it off the first NFL contract, So I also believe
it or not helps And I know nobody's worried about
(12:17):
the agents, but it actually helps the agents out and
helps make the agency process better because you can't have
the Drew Rosenhauses in the world holding a grasp with
marketing guarantees to the select few, whereas some of these
fringe agencies can get their three percent back off a
fully guaranteed deal and they're actually able to pay because
if you're if you're an agent at a boutique firm,
(12:37):
and you got four or five clients, right, and you
put a guy through training and everything else for the
combine alms he can dress sect there, you're not making
money on that guy till a second contract. You're at
a loss. So I fa that guy doesn't even make
it to a second contract, you're lost. That's why you
see so few aged, why all these guys are concentrated
with a few different agencies. This will help level the
playing field the agency thing. And I know nobody's crying
about that, but from friends of mine, I'm kind of like, man,
(12:58):
this is this is a big deal. In the way
that it's gonna help, you know, with those kind of
things real quick. One of the things the six four
six Manziel came for rich family, He actually didn't, Okay,
he did not. That was a lie that him and
his buddy who was his de facto manager, put out
and it spread like wildfire.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He was he was not wealthy at all. Watch the
Netflix today. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I knew, we we knew, we knew he was lying
about his and that's he was lying to cover up
for benefits that he was getting at A and m
I say it all, I have money, so nobody would
ever question if he showed up with a new car
or any of that kind of stuff, like the benefits
that he was getting back at A. And then back
in the day that they yeah, they lied and said
they came from uh came from oil money and uh
they didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Johnny Manziel but did not have money going to college.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
One thing guy can say and that I appreciate. I
appreciate about Johnny Manziel and the group he had around him.
I mean obviously were even some kind of really findbuoyant
life and living larger than what they needed. To. They
did a great job of marketing and creating.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The pr was phenomenal that brand.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And I would if you haven't seen that, I think
it's on Netflix, the series, just just go and watch it.
It's it's a story that's going to shed some light
on Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But it's still for me, it's still kind.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Of heartbreaking because here's a guy who was very talented
and his hits started to swell with the people around him.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And this is where athletes, celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Of whomever you are, you have to be constantly aware
all those individuals because you have people in your immediate
circle and they don't wish you well. They're just leeches
and if they can piggyback off your success, they will.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
People do that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You great up about lottery people that had that kind
of stuff too, that all these leeches come out the
woodwork trying to you know, trying to do this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Five six six nine text I had a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Of great questions coming in here busically text line tonight,
let's see we got one here. But do you think
mclar Terry mclaugh and James Cook contracts settle and they
play opening day deadlines?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Create action.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Mclauren, I do believe it'll get done. They just there's
there's been a sort of a sticking point on how
that thing is structured. And then they're far apart on
some of the money. But they don't need to be
like they can get there on the money. The reality
is the structure of it, because Washington wants to be
able to get out from under it after two years,
and mclauren wants like a four you know, gear deal
(15:26):
guaranteed out to the fourth year because he knows it's
gonna be the last pay McLaren's thirty years old. He
knows it's gonna be his last payday as a wide receiver,
I would say, And.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Obviously Adam Peters knows what he's doing. But if I
am in mclaurin's camp, knowing as though you're not going
to get those four years, try to get the most
money you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's what he's trying to do. But he doesn't want it.
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He wants the money instead of front loaded, he wants
it spread out. So he's gonna wind up getting all
four years and getting all that money because they can't
cut him because the money spread out on the back
end where it makes it prohibitively expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Look, if you can get the sign and bonus to
give you the guarantee money right off to bet, and
then look at your annual salary and try to get
that increase to where it's at the top number for
the top receiver in the league. I would suggest that. Now,
I would say, avoid having any massive incentives in your contract.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's the way I always tell guys when whenever I
get asked the advice, I tell you guys the same thing.
If you're in your twenties, get the thing frontloaded. You
want to get to your next pay day as quickly
as possible. Get that thing frontloaded so that you can
re up as quickly as possible. Once you get to
thirty years old. Get that thing backloaded so that it
effectively guarantees the whole contract by accident.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now teams kind of know this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They're not stupid, and they're not gonna you know, they
don't want to do that as well, but try to sneak.
You know, if you can try to do that as
much as possible, you'll guarantee yourself actually more money. Once
you get into your thirties, you'll guarantee yourself more money
doing it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
See, like when you think about show hey Otani's contract
with the Dodgers, right, it's bloody brilliant.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well yeah, it's all deferred to tell you playing the
league anymore?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right? Is this like yet even you're not playing, you
just walking through the mill box picking up a check.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
This is the Bobby Bonilla, Yes, you know theo Bobby
Bonia still makes a million dollars every year in the
middle of what June? I think it is Bible Bonia?
What is it June something? We just celebrated it. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
but Bobby when he gets a million dollars every year
still by body had places what the nineties?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, I mean that's that's a hell of a deal.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
He gets paid for another I think he still gets
paid for another seven years, yes, until twenty thirty five. Wow,
every July first. Ye, he gets one point one nine
million every year every year from twenty eleven to twenty
thirty five. Great deal, and it was initially it would
have been five point nine million. Because of this preferred deal,
(17:43):
it's what one point nine times twenty five? So repeat
it very well?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, good for uh, good for Bobby b h.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We got a lot of stuff coming down on the
text side, so we'll we'll get to a lot of
that stuff here when we come back. We got to
hit a break pitch show tonight. Jack Corgan's gonna join
the Top of the Hour saw Jack earlier today, Ryan Blackburn,
Tuck Alba seven thirty. You guys list the Broncos country
to night, figure out Kawa six sixt nine zeros in
text line. A lot of great texts coming in. Appreciate
(18:11):
you guys. Just go look up a pic of baby Bonia.
He looks like a Thanksgiving parade float. Now, God, big dude,
Bobby's a big Bobby's a big fellow. What do you
expect to happen?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, you just walk through the mailbox and you
get a million dollars into what Zack said twenty thirty five,
and you're not playing anymore. I mean you you're resting
your feeder, your feeder up.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean can look at ivery once, yes, exactly, cashing
a million dollars checks your life first every year, just
saying seven figure salary for doing nothing, that tostutely nothing. Yeah,
that dude is posted up at fort living room. You know,
living his best life, just saying probably.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Has one of those rumors, those little things that clean
up room, that brings him his drinks on the sofa.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's get a room just to bring me my drink.
Let's bring me the drinks and get thrown for that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Five six, six nine zeros of text.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
A lot of stuff coming in seven to two oh
five point Nick. These cats are coming in and leave
with money now, well, which is great, but fully guaranteeing
seems a little problematic to me for second round rooks.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Go prove yourself young players. I get the whole.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Idea of going to prove your play yourself. And Sam
Brafford was the last guy to be the benefactor of
what the rule was at the time, and then it
was collective bargain because idea and I give what you're saying,
why should you guarantee a certain amount of money for
a guy coming into the league. Well, once again, this
is the second round draft choice. He's not getting paid
(19:28):
like a first rounder. He's not making that Sam Bradford
type of money. But I still believe that there's certain
guarantees that teams can actually make without you know, putting
them in some kind of financial run.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, Bradford made something like one hundred and thirty million
over his career as well.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Seventy eight of that came on that first deal.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So we used to have rookies that came in that
hadn't proved it that made a ton of money with that.
I don't think that that making getting guaranteed contracts with
these scond rounders, I don't think that's problematic at all.
I think you know, you still have to go out
and prove yourself. You're still got to go out and
beat the other guys on the roster or else. You know,
you got that little paycheck and that's it you want more, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But yeah, but I understand being a former player, is
that trying to get some guarantees. As far as injuries,
we know injuries are going to happen. The only thing
we don't know is when they're going to happen. And
we know, with the CBA being what it is right now,
you're not having those physical practices like I had or
Steve Atwood had right well, so we know once you
(20:28):
get to the season with very limited preseason snaps, injuries
are plentiful. So you want to make sure that you
protect yourself as the team tried to protect themselves. That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's a business deal and I think that's and I
think it's a good thing. Seven two Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What about a kid who doesn't like who drafted him
and it holds out, just goes back to school because
you've got an I all money to set out for
a year.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's always been You've always been able to do that.
Bo Jackson did it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, Bo Jackson didn't want to play for the tamp
Bay Bucceteers. He held out a year, came back, and
came back with the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Think about this, Think about this really quickly.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
John Elway was drafted by I think it was the
Colts and he was like, I wanna play for them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm gonna play for the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So just think about what NIO money would have been
like for John Elway at that time. He couldn't have
even told the Yankees go ahead and kick rocks right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And for me, he was able to.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do that because he didn't liked the organization that he
was going to. And sometimes when you draft the guy,
especially at the quarterback musician, that high in a draft,
what that means is that that team you're going to
They're awful. They want you to come in and turn
their franchise from clauk Kent to Superman.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, and it's virtually possible. And Superman said, no, I'm
going back. Po Jackson said, no, I'm going back. I
can't do it. This whole team is kyptonite.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And I think it's why you should have guaranteed contracts
in Part four. Of these young guys coming in, especially
like a second round pick, you have no saying where
you're going. You can be totally screwed just by your
destination before you even step foot in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And we're talking about minimal contra tracks. If I like R. J.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Harvey, was a complete disaster and had to be, you know,
cut after one season, it's like a five million dollar
dead cap hit. That's not wrecking any team. I'd provide
some players some well earned security. You've been a good
enough player in your football career to be a top
sixty four pick.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You you deserve to make some money for that. I'd
accomplish it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I feel like the first by the end of this
the first three third rounds will all be guaranteed, and
the Day three stuff won't be you know, but I.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Mean, and that's probably where we'll end up with it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But I do like the fact that it's bringing guaranteed
contract culture to the NFL. I don't know if entirely
guaranteed contracts throughout the entire.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
League is feasible.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I will say if you do, it'll depress the salaries
at the top, Like it'll make the quarterback salaries come down,
because they're fully guaranteeing those numbers would be his good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Don't want that. They absolutely don't want the same pageant.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And it's the same problem you're going to get in
the Players Association. You're gonna get all the big time players.
You're like, wait a minute, I don't want to cut
into my money to help everybody out. And so you're
gonna have those guys tell the other guys, hey, you
want to be like me someday you don't want this,
and then they're going to shoot themselves in the foot
voting for something that actually doesn't help them out at all.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Ing ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So I'm just you know, it's you know, from the inside,
most of the fans, I think don't don't understand some
of some of how that stuff goes h. So to
Harvey says JK. Dobbins still be aiming to take the
number one spot at twenty one year old. Estimate, that's
gonna want to prove a game that he belongs here.
I don't want him falling behind talking about R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Harvey holding out for that for that guarantee, buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, I get it, but he was also drafted
in the second round, and they know.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I mean JK.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Dobbins had two really good games last year and then
the rest of the rest of the you know, he
had some okay games, but they weren't nearly as good
as those first two games last year.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know, estimate.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I didn't see anything last year said this is the dude.
I mean, I'm hoping that he turns that of but
I didn't see anything that said that. So, you know,
I don't think Harvey's too worried about that.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I wouldn't be too worried about it either if I
am Rjorie Harvey. All you think you worry about is
making sure that you can and keep that momentum moving
forward that you generated in the off season with OTAs,
because I mean, missing a couple of days as you
try to figure out your contract isn't going to change
(24:12):
how the team sees.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You, because just what Augisime was here last year, he
was a healthy scratch with the Buffalo game.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And guess what now the Broncos have two new running backs.
So how much do they feel about aug Estime that
they win and brought competition.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For you just saying that's and that's the other part
of that. I don't I don't think that R. J.
Harvey has anything to worry about there.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Three six.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, Bobby, Bobby's not drinking apple sider vinegar, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, it may have a little spice in it, but
it's not apple side vinegar for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, I'm six four six.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
NFL teams make so much money, guaranteeing round two is
peanuts for them.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
As Zach pointed out earlier, Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I mean, and that's the thing you're going to see
with with guaranteed contract culture, You're going to see the
NFL shift to probably those first three rounds getting fully
guaranteed off and then from there probably not. I can't
see that, you know, just based on knowing how teams
strategize drafting those first three rounds versus drafting rounds four
through the undrafted guys. A lot of that stuff is
(25:12):
just get drafted the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
A lot of that's just dart throws.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
They're just taking chances on character guys, and they're drafting
them to make sure they don't hit undrafted free agent
they have options, right, you know they're not. This is
not this is the next best guy hit. A lot
of cases, a lot of cases rounds four through seven.
It's just we're taking we're taking chances on athleticism, We're
taking chances on uh, maybe a.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Character guy whatever that. That's that's what those rounds are
for for me.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Also, what I look at this too is that it
puts a little pressure on the coaching staff. And here's
why I say that, even though you're guaranteeing just a
fraction of what that second round draft choice contract is
going to be, it's going to force those coaches and say, okay,
well we guarantee him this amount of money. Well we're
(25:56):
gonna squeeze his limits and we get all the juice.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So I say, second and third rounders might get a
few more chances that they wouldn't have gotten previously.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It might might kind of help with development of those
kind of things.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Seven to twos. It's called draft for reason. It's not
burger king.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You don't get it your way, So you don't get
a crowd either.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, well no you.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But once again, when teams put so much stock and
so much time into evaluating players and you select a
player at a certain position, you're selecting him for a
particular reason.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
There's something that you see in that particular player.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And I mean, obviously I wasn't drafted, and it's easier
for someone who's not in the position to say that.
And I would think whomever that text was, if they
were in the position.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Of Shamar Stewart or R. J.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Harvey, they would have a different frame of mind because
now someone else will be counted.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The duck is going in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Right, Yeah, So there you go, six four sixpenny, Nick,
did you hold out on temper for guaranteed money and parking?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, parking is we have some incentives in the DNA.
Will uh, we'll put that way, Nick said, he went
he went on draft.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's better. When I was drafted into the army, did
there was a I was talking about things you couldn't say,
did you ever watch Theapelle show that met have been
before your time? I've seen episodes of it. It was before
my time, but I mean it's a it's a classic.
You could find a replay on comedy side for whatever
spring up.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I definitely it was a point.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It was a point in the television back in the day,
like it was sick, you huddled around, you didn't have
TVO and all that stuff. Yet you walked, you came
when Felis show was that you sat down for the
new episode because it was you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I didn't get away with that stuff now. That's why
I'm still surprised that what they do on the South part.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, and they still and they get away with it.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
For me, I'm always I've always said that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
The comedic arena should be a protected space, right like
in the sense that you could say what you say
in there and you understand that it's under the structure
of comedy. You may not laugh at it, you may
not think it's funny, but in that arena you should
be allowed to say.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You gotta be really careful because now that opens the
door for other people to say things and say, you know,
I was just joking.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's like, nah, there was a little truth that, well,
you weren't at the comedy club. If you're on TV,
it's a little bit different. But if you're down at
the if there's a brick wall behind you, if you
got a microphone stand and you're you know, you're at
the comedy seller, that's a little bit different. Of course,
then you get into Michael Richard's territorywhere else sitting here
like all right, well, you know, I can't defend that.
I like that Andy Warhol quote. Art is getting away
with it if it's funny, Like that's why south Park works.
(28:25):
There's no rules that say, like south Park can make
this joke and you can't. They're able to get away
with it because if they keep it funny, like they may,
they find the angle to make it funny.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
But even when they do that, there's certain people that
carry the joke a little too far and the ideas
that well, since everyone laughed at it, then it must
be okay. It was like, no, some of those people
are laughing because they're going like that was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So egregious and ridigulous. Oh, I can't believe that. You.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he's in a group of friends before and everyone's
cracking jokes and one guy takes it too far and
it's like whoa, yeah, you know, like that's the guy
who screwed up. Not everyone right, and I think at
the same in instance, probably a little bit of that.
We got some other stuff want to get to. We
got Jack Corgan coming up here next, good chance talk
a little bit about the rock He's had a chance
to chat with Jack earlier today. We had a little
(29:11):
meeting here at the Heart Building. He shout down my
Hidecki Curry, I'm a plan and you had a really
good reason for shooting it down. Uh So maybe we'll
get a chance to ask him about that and some
Rockies questions. Whatever you guys want to We hat Ryan
Blackburn coming up with the bottom of the arm. I
want to get back to some of these text questions.
Some of you guys have some great ones. I'll get
I'll hit one real quick on the way out. Uh
Semone forces aren't coaching contracts guaranteed. Seems weird that those
(29:33):
are and others aren't. Yes, they are, but coaching contracts
don't count against the salary cap and that's why.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And they don't have a union.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You could fire well, right, you could fire five, six,
seven coaches in a row and it not tear up
your salary cap. Whereas if you did that with fully
guaranteed quarterback contracts, you know, you wouldn't be able to
field the team.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know what, maybe teams should do that, Start to
guarantee coaches contracts to a certain degree because now putting
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
On those coaches, but also make teams.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Start doing better job as far as far as betting
their coaches.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Put a win, put a win escalator in there, put
a performance and sentivey there for coaches if you win.
Here's the escalator. Brus we take the bat playoffs. We're
taking some of this money fast. We'll fight over that
during the break. Broncos Country to Night back with Jack
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