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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But all Brian Nick Ferguson, the Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater,
Grant Smith, back there behind the glass, Rockies getting back
to back series wins for the first time this season
for shutouts since uh twenty twenty two. Broncos training camp
kicks off, And because we are the saved by the
bell College years to Ryan Edwards, saved by the Bells,
we will not talk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
About any of that or sports at all, because I
guess now I was just kidding Stevey.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Don't buddy, wonderful man, glad to see guys running around
on the field gain.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's back, and.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's just in shorts that the pads practice acclimatization thus far,
say what, but we got real practice coming up here
in a couple of days. What was it called acclimatization? Okay,
getting you know, acclamation, acclimation, whatever you want to call it. Yes,
I just you know, big glamatization. Yes, I throw a
different word up, okay, but a.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Few more syllables in it. Hey, look, I'm hearing to
both the SEC far right. I'm just trying to make
it do it. They just make it sound like it's
fridge is something talk about fresh fry.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you say we call freedom fries now? But yes,
it's it's uh, it's been a busy day in color
of sports, I guess. But how good is it to
to see and be we worked days away from a
preseason football game?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That is, that's technically days like week.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Two weeks, eight days a week and a day week
and a day. It's always days tomorrow, even if it's.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
See we we as eight days when you in training camp,
or at least what when Steve and I play, It
seemed like it was an eternity put on a training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That was like the start of a journey.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yes it was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was day one like, oh god, here we go again.
It was day like, oh god, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You always hyped up, you know, glad to see all the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Guys and everything, and you you contact stars with after
day three see see see that's where things are different.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Because as I was watching practice today, I was telling
romy Bean that, no, this is not the practice I'm
used to because immediately I went back to what was
it like for me with the New York Jets and
the first day of practice, the first day of practice,
right out of.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Stretch, it's eight thirty in the morning. No, it was live.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
No, it was a live kickoff drill. Mike west was
a special teams coach. The only thing you couldn't do
was you couldn't take the returner to the crown. But
I mean with me, all I heard was live.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
What year was?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
What year was the wedge out?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Load?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Still?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yes, the wedge was in play. So for me, only
words I heard I heard live. Right, So I'm running
down Phield.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's live.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
So if you're my way, I'm knocking you out the way.
You're the returner, I'm hitting you because no why he said.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Live it was a MEMORYX it was live. So that's
how practice first day of practice.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What year was this?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Two thousand and two? Dang two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The first time we had a punt Returnerris for Red Jersey.
I'm right at the gate man coach, listen first out
here right now, and he just he's dying to hit people.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Hey, look, man, I've gotten yelled at before.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You saw what he did at Gatoray table.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yes, her yelled at me before. Mike Westolf yelled at
me saying that I was doing too much. But I'm
like you told me live.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So what do you want me to do? I only
know one speed and that's full speed.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hey, well you'd have been on our team, you wouldn't
have been in pregnant. Well, you're not gonna hurt us.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Heard everybody gets one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
That's crazy. No, no, no, Now, I have to tell
you I was a young player during that time.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
By the time I came here to the Broncos, I
was well season and I paid attention around the league.
And you watch TV. You see how practices are run,
and quickly you run in the locker room. Hey, man,
show the tempo, showing us up. We need to coma
(04:16):
dollar back a little bit. Hey, but sometimes you gotta
you gotta do that to get yourself and remind them.
Remind him I.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Was an undrafted guy.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What I'm saying I would if I would undrafted.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's probably the way I would be.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
We all know.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I would definitely go.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Under one guy who never really told me to chill
out with Shannon Sharp. Sharp never really told me to
chill out, because he'd be like, I'm gonna tell you
what I'm gonna do, and then I'm gonna do it.
And I'm like, Okay, let's let's see who wins this one.
And that's the way that he was in practice. So
I appreciated that year. I don't know exactly what year
(04:52):
that was for him, it could have been maybe eight
or nine.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But he wasn't one of those guys that he was
just like take it easy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, yeah, sure, he always worked hard. Yes.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
So once again, when I look at practice today and
it sounds like one of those get off my lawn
type moments, if it does, it probably does. But I'm
used to practice being a certain way. But I understand
why they're revving things up in this particular way because
two years ago this team had an enormous amount of injuries.
And when you take someone who's had an enormous amount
(05:26):
of time off and try to ram them up, I
mean that's very different. That's like having a corvette and
sit it in the garage for a month and then
as soon as you try to take it out of
the garage, you try to open it up.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Nah, he's not gonna work. Yes, Yeah, so I understand it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I'm a terrible human being.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yes, you are show to see if Steve is like.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'm not, I'm not gonna dignify that with all didn't respond,
shake his head like that's just what he's put up
with him on k Sports too hours, you know, having
to deal with me. He's already he's already been eased
into it. I gotta laugh out of him. Five six
zeros in text slide. What are we expecting out of
this team this year? There's a lot of national expectation
(06:18):
for the Broncos, and it's the first time in a
long time, and the Broncos are the biggest favorite Week
one of the season on the betting odds. They are
the most bet team in the rook quarterback. They are
the most bet team in the league to win their division.
More people have bet the Broncos to win the AFC
West than any other team any other division. There a
lot of optimism about the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
This season, like the optimism now we just we gotta
go out and do our thing.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Now to Mexican.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You can't look at that. We gotta we gotta look
at how are we working.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Who's who has to have the season to make that happens.
Let's step outside of boat Nicks, because that's the obvious answer.
The quarterbacks not play. But outside of that, who's gotta
have that big time season in order to make that dream.
Which player, which player most needs or the team needs
them to have that big season in order for the
Broncos to get to wear.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The position running backs.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, gott to whoever, whoever. However he's pronounced his name now,
you know, it's like four times now. I haven't heard
a change from the day it was. It was it
was baby Battie Beday and then said, I'm like, oh
(07:27):
my god, I just pick a name, dude, I thought
it was. He's telling us this every time. He's the
one who's like, yeah, it's pronounced this. I'm like, maybe
he's not sure, right, not sure. Maybe he's just trolling,
trolling us all with a fantasy performance in that playoff game,
just saying he.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Could be for me, it's obviously obviously it's it's a
running back. Most people think about that because the Broncos
run game wasn't where it needed to be. I have
my thoughts on on why, and that's because I mean,
bo average about thirty three passing attempts a game, so
it's hard to establish a run if you're throwing that
that off that often. So for me, I look at
(08:06):
the wide receivers, and you and I talked about this
the other day, and it's you need some of those
young guys to really start to show up, right because
if they don't show up now it kind of ties
your hands. So now you're going from Cortland ebon Ingram.
Maybe we run the ball and maybe be successful. But
if those guys open up, if we see that that
(08:30):
play that we saw the open of Buffalo Bill's game,
that deep throw to Troy Franklin like last year, Troy
frank I mean, there was some attempts that Raiders game
is right there off his fingertips. But if he can
show that he can be an explosive threat, that therefore
changed the trajectory for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Now you got multiple guys and go deep, not just Marrush,
which you kind of need. Although I'm not holding my
breath on that. You read led the Broncos and rushing
touchdowns last year, rushing touchdowns probably Boo Bowl and Javonte
were Remember remember at the beginning of the season, the
big narrative was, well, Bowl hasn't thrown the reds on touchdown,
(09:09):
but he runs, but he rushed the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I'm like, well, yeah, you would want your quarterback to throw.
But I'm not worried because the kid is building confidence. Yes,
at some point he's gonna happen. Yeah, so I'm not
I'm not worried and concerned about that. But no, you
don't want your quarterback leading the team in rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, and it was I mean, you know, the rushing
I think we all agree the rushing attack was bad.
Last year. McLoughlin was the team that leaded yards per
game with thirty or excuse me, thirty one yards per game. Yes,
for your top running back, thirty one yards per game.
And I get to Sean Payton uses those rotations and
all that kind of stuff. But thirty one yards per
game from your best back or lead back, whatever the
case may be, ain't it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And Delilo, he's a shift to your guy bass guy.
Uh and surprisingly runs pretty well between the tackles for
for us. Now with with with Dickhead Dobbins and R. J.
Harvey estimate of those guys, they technically, because of their size,
(10:10):
they should be able to do that better running between
the tackles.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, But for me, it's more.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Than just running between the tackles, because every time we've
had this conversation, or we've been having this conversation for
the past couple of years here in Broncos Country. Well,
getting the run game on track?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
How do you do that? Just run the ball. I'm like,
you just can't hand the ball to the guys. Just
said no, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Scheme brockingt the vision to find a cutback lane. I mean,
there's there's more to it than that. I mean, this
isn't just Madden, you know, just run the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It used the indstick. Okay, let me take you back
for a second. Was there not last year?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
The year before the Broncos are playing the Cleveland Browns, right,
and what we saw the Broncos do I was I
was hoping and wishing it. Yes, they were trapping and
then whamming guys and they found a lot of success,
but it didn't continue. It just kind of tapered off
as like, oh, here's the caste of what we can
do if we wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But then it just stopped.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
With the backs that you have in the room right now,
it has to be a frame of mind, block force trauma.
If you an offensive lineman for the Denver Broncos. You
have to be upset if the team is throwing on
third and one or you can't pick up a third
and one because to me, it's like.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That's a yard if you moved the guy off the yard.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And we were consistently not good in third and short
last year in those situations. I mean, you know, if
we didn't get it on first or second. Now with
a passer bowl, we likely worked and guess.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And was it the running backs or was it the
old line?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, the old line's been highly rated by every one
of these services. You know, you see the Pro Football
Focused grades, they put them at the top. You see
all these analytics things out there saying we got this
great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So if that's the case, if the numbers were that high,
let's just look at it in real time. If the
numbers were that high, graded by Pro Football Focus, why
wasn't that they were converting on those particular third and
shorts or opting to pass.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Why part of that I think is on the play caller.
I mean we even saw him have to write a
note to himself on that, you know, run the ball more,
and then he didn't do it. And we saw that.
We've seen that we've seen Sean Payton get away from
the run too much. That was a complaint of his
when he was into Orleans, that he would get away
from the run game too much and try to throw.
You know, he's a former quarterback. He wants to sling
the ball over the yard and we've seen that. So
(12:30):
it's safe to say that there was a multitude of
factors we had a running back led to that, and
it wasn't just it wasn't one thing. I mean, Okay
struggled with vision last year. I mean there were some
cutback lanes over there and he just didn't He just
wasn't seeing them. Uh. And then I think he had
guys like Estimate who had the size but wasn't moving
the pile, you know, and when he was out there,
I think that's that's got to be something. I mean,
(12:51):
you got to be that guy. You're gonna be that size,
You're gonna be that dude.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You got to be that dude. Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Now, to add Estimate's credit, you go back you watch
his film from Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That dude was beasting in those he was absolutely So
here's my question to Tracy, that guy he is drafted
to be that guy. Sometimes do we get trapped into.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
The idea that you try to fit a guy into
a scheme instead of trying to fit the scheme around him.
Is that something that we're seeing because watching games all
over the league last year, you know what, the past
two years, I've seen it. I understand why a coach
would do that. But I would think that if you
have a guy with a certain skill set, I mean,
don't you want to accentuate that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I would think so. And you go back and you
look at the history of what Sean Bayden does, and
he certainly likes those bruiser backs to come in there,
especially on early downs and you know, and do stuff
like that. Guys like Latavious Murray. Latavius Murray was a
big part of what he did in New Orleans. He
had mark Ingram out there moving the pile. He had
guys like like Deuce early on in his career, just
Macallist early on in New Orleans. He had bigger backs
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that were out there capable of doing that. But it
just seems like, you know that that something wasn't right
last year, whether it was the constant rotations and not
getting a groove, whether it was the getting away from
it with passing the ball, whether it was the running
backs not living up to what you expected out of them,
whatever the case may be, And it may have been
all those things. We just did not get into a
groove run the football and outside of Bow were largely
(14:16):
unsuccessful running the ball.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, think about and that should have opened up running
lanes for the other guys. Right, But let's put this
in perspective.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Bow was successful as athletic as he is running where
when he got his touchdowns on the perimeter, right, That's
where he got his touchdowns right on the perimeter, not
running through the teeth of the defense.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And ideas that because you get it back and he
has a massive size that is pre ordained that he
has to run between the times, was like, no, there
are less guys outside.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
If you can get a smaller guys too.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you said if you can get outside, but you
have to try. This team can pull with Quinn minors
leading around the edge. They've shown that they.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Can do that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, that's not really bad powers for tape, but miners
can do it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Don't then anytime you pull, don't pull to ben power side.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, I just said, have been powers pulling. Well, I
mean you could pull the center if you wanted to,
I mean you really wanted to.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, you can't, And I saw it.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I saw one of the best centers to ever pull
from that position, and that was Kevin Mawai. Now every
center is not built that way, right, Tom Naylor can
get out there, but no one like a guy like
Kevin Mawai. Now the Broncos look to explore that with
their centers. Now, yeah, that's a different requel. That's changing things,
(15:39):
changing things up. But for me, you got to have
the inside outside game. You've already proven it.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That bow can do it.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Put someone else who's kind of They've been built that
way since pop Water, but was doing that last year.
But Mark, you know what that's like Ben's favorite coach,
Pat Shermer. Don't you and Jerry Judy on jet sweeps
in those orbit motions. It's like no fake fake jet.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yes, Marvin Mahams was born to go vertical.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They ran that mountains it worked, didn't you remember they
read that mountains playing We thought.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
You brought everybody knew alert alert, hold on. So you're saying,
what Mark, what they were doing, marm didn't work? Last year,
not at a high percentage.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Not that backfield did not work.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Okay, remembers. Let's say here's a buffalo proof. Buffalo proof.
You watch film and it's gonna dictate things.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Well, if you're Marvin Members not going vertical, which we saw,
they had both at uh, Marvin Mams and Javonte in
the backfield.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
They had both who was it, I think it was
called of sudden and what was the other receiver?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Who was here?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Who's no longer here?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Josh Jordan, Jordan Humphrey to the right side. They brought
Marvin in motion and the live back and he ran
right between the two receivers and tagle Marvin Mems.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
For a loss.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That was an old staple of rich Rod offense. That
Mountaineer swing. Well, they ain't seen it a few times.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Sims only had thirteen carries last year. He averaged what
three three point two of carry Three of them went
for first half.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I get it, and I'm changing. I'm not saying that
I don't like the change up. I was okay with
the change up, but he was one of those guys
that you need to go vertical. Like seeing Marvin Mems
go vertical. Still nightmares for Grant. Still nightmares for Grants. Yes,
it's nightmares, and and that's what you want to create.
(17:37):
You want to create nightmares for the opposition and Marvin Mams.
And if Troy Franklin comes along with Ben's uh the
Devon Vley running those short intermediate routes.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Boom, Now we couldn't increase well, Vyle, I have no
worries about it's Troy Franklin. I'm like, I'm not holding
until I see it. I'm not counting on it. You know,
he just looks like a guy don't track the ball
over his shoulder. Man, He's he's one of those guys
like you know, I talk about some of the tight
ends that had to have their numbers back to the quarterback.
Try Franklins to receive the.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't subscribe to that because once again, I go
back to what a guy was able to do in college.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But that's what they did.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
They brought him on the crossers, and they hit him
on the crossers, or bring him across, create after the catch,
flash the numbers back to the quarterback, then create after
the gadget bring him on the crosser. Because you realize
that was the stable of the office.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But he was in common that was that was what
he was best at. But he was an organ That's
what they did. I mean it wasn't the vertical stuff.
It was hit him on the crosser and put them
in his hands and let him blow by peap and
they had a run a game. Well, I mean, yes,
you know. I mean Oregon's got an eighteen page playbook.
Can they go hurry up? And I mean an eighteen
play playbook? Can they go hurry up? And they just
dress it up different?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Now now, real talk, real quickly, is be transparent upon
this one of the toughest catches to make for a
wide receivers over the shoulder, over the shoulder, But that's
what you're paid to do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I'm just saying, man, I had the same conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I had the same conversation with Rod Smith, and I
was like, it's not easy. If we're EASi, everybody could
do it right, But that's what they're paying you for.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You see, now you want to make me say, okay,
let's prove this.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Let's go get Peyton Manning and have him throw some
over the show the passes to you and see how
many of you catch give.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Me wide receiver.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Pay, I'll start making a lot of them. Give me
the NFL wide receiver pay im a ton over the
shoulder catches. I'll get my stuff blown up in the
second after that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But you know all look like a rag dolls like
it ald you know into yesterdayyear by by Jamal Adams
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
But yeah, yeah, I'll get it over the shoulder catch.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sure, this is a rough catch, but I agreed as
a receiver and that's got to be in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's tough receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What are you talking about, Nick, I'm just saying for.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
A receiver, that's what you're supposed to do. I'm just
saying that is a tough catch. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
This segment.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
This segment has been brought to you by Troy Franklin's agent,
Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yes, it's tough to have a running back too.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, guess what you got to.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Pay to do it?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Very true, very very very true. But not everyone can
actually do that.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
It's very When a running back is out in open space,
you have its choice. Am I going to take a
dive in the dirt or I'm gonna make make this tackle?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I'll tell you what. When I saw Bryce Callahan square
up on Dennrick Derrick Henry and bring it down, I
was like, you know what, I can never make excuses
for somebody to take a dive in the dirt a
game because that dude is my size and he.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Absolutely Tyron Matthews, Yeah, he retired his retirement, man, but
he was another guy who wasn't very big, but he's
gonna take.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
His head in. It absolutely was. When we come back, Well,
we'll see if Nick Ferguson has any other things he
wants to do as agent for Troy Franklin. You guys
wants to Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You're on KA.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Five six six yod texts and a lot of a
lot of good texts comeing in here. Three seven They
ran way more ISO game for Estimate a Notre dame
that is true. Three or seven. Javonte was running with
his eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh that's messed up, man.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'll tell you what I.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Talked to you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I talked about Buddy who works for the Dallas Cowboys
down there, works for their media site. Patrick Walker. No
see he was uh. He was like, Javante looks like
he might be back, you know, so far, So we'll see.
We'll see if Chavante resurrecs.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Bs when I hear people make comments he's running with
his eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, I think he was a year off of that injury.
That was a big I was surprised he was even back.
He was playing to Dobbins, like two and a half
years to come back off that. He's the only guy
who had that that same injury.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like it was a world record how fast Davonte came
back from that injury amongst professional athletics or olympians.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you remember what the conversations were like the first
day and second day watching Javonte run around.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean people were shocked in the maze. Yeah, people
when he got hurt. There were people wondering if he
had ever played football. Yeah, and he looked great.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So look, like I said, there's a lot of things
that go into a run game getting on track. And
I'm not going to sit here and I'm just not
going to isolate one individual group of persons and say,
well that was the common cause.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I'm going to do it as a collective and.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And hopefully I'm hoping based on the depth in the
room and the addition of Evan Ingram. That's going to
open some spaces.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's the big thing. I think the Ingram factor here.
You know, whether or not I think he has the
stats or whatever, you know, I think this the athleticism
opening things up for other guys is the biggest beneficiary.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You just need to be a threat, because well you
didn't have that trout. No disrespect, but is not that dude. Yes,
I mean, I just, I just I keep going back the.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
National tight end.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
What do we do?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Throw to the tight end?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Featured the tight ends?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I remember the scene route.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And then never found them again.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I'm telling you, man, you don't have to be a
Carol Blazing tight end. No get opened, No, because most
safety don't.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Know what the heck did.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
A lot of they don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Some linebackers and safeties they're just looking at the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And it's open. We're on the regular.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Look, man, I'm telling you that that why shake it's
it's it's all. When I was here, Shannon ran it.
When I was in Houston with with coach Kobak or
Daniel's ranted there.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He ran it here with Peyton Manning.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
That's money right there, and you set them up with
that ye shake and throw your hand up in there
every day like that, like that, Oh that and the whip,
the whip, that whip under you know like those those
are those are there for tight ends every time.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And then you can't get in the linebackers looking at
the backfield exactly, they're peaking.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
As soon as you break that in breaking round, they
sit down because they got they got both the line
and you cut it back out.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And there's already the fascinating thing about last season watching
games and I would laugh all the time every time
the Broncos gut us had the red zone and Nate
Atkins was in in the backfield, and I'm like, let
me see if these linebackers actually paying attention to read
to Scott of report.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No, you just go with every time you got it live.
It was like, you know, the little angle route out.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Of the backfield was easy, easy, like.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Taking candy from a baby. Yeah, that was what else
we got here? S someone and I've been working a
double shift today. I hope they give you time and
a half. Well, somebody needs to go talk to Dave
Tepper about that. Okay, Uh, let's see. I want to
see mems on Texas routes out of the backfield. I
think that's uh. I think R. J. Harvey and JK.
Dobbins are probably more likely to see those.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, I don't want to see mems on the Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Route because getting stuff blown up the Broncos play the
Washington Commanders. I think, uh in November now, I don't
want to see memes kind of running a Texas route.
And Bobby Wagner, you know you've seen the loss, saying,
man a chair, don't put that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
The Texas route.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
First.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
You have to disguise like you make it s true
or that you you make it like it's going out
right outside.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You make it look like you're peeling to the flat.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Now, what happens if that linebacker just show up with
his feet he doesn't turn right there, Well, so.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You come right back to him.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Then you can did What you need to do is
you're a tight end on the post. It's pulling the
linebacker out of the way so you can hit that
angle route underneath.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
But if he reads it, may not going for that.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
If he reads it right and you throw it late,
well yeah, I mean if they're sitting see one or three,
you're screwed anyway, you see.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You know, so that's going to be a no for
me on the Texas route for man I I toasted.
I'm vertical, Yeah, vertical, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Let him carry guys out of the equation or if
they can't keep up tossing the boy. Saw what happened
Cincinnati game. Sorry Gren you know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Over there.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So you take it. Take a lot of here.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
One of them is gonna win, one of them is
gonna lose. Okay. I got to win my first work,
my first playoff game for the Broncos. Because of that win,
that sounds like they.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
This game.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, Jason Witten made a Hall of Fame career on
the Whip route. Yeah yeah, I mean it's you know
for tight ends, like that's one of them. That's one
of those money banking it, you know route sayers at
the Whip route, especially if you get the ability to
you know, sit down and then accelerate the other way,
you're gonna have the linebacker trailing you to the to
the sideline.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
The other one is the zorro route because they set
it up like they're running a shallow and you chase
the shallow the first time. The second time he runs
really like he's running a shallow and then he stops.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And that's what I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
About, the whole moment and just keep going forward.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Direction. Yes, and Evan Ingram has the type of ability
that short area equipment is where he can get in
and out where where.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Man, that would be perfect for him to run those things.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And there's a couple of other things you could do
with that, Like I'd love to see Mimes and Franklin
both in there, you know, inside and running shallow crossers
until you start biting those things and then you hit
them with the double outs like that. Like, there's there's
ways to set that stuff up.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
What about you run the first shallow cross of whether
successful or not, and then you run like you run
a shallow cross.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
As soon as the defenders sit down, you go verte.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's what's saying.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, you can peel up that peak right there and
split in the two deep safety. Yeah, that's what I'm
talking about right there. See, Yeah, I got start driving.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Here.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
You bring your white board.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
This, draw it up because I'll tell you this. I'm
not saying I'm an offensive officionado. I am not.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But what I do is I think about, Yes, what
would make things difficult.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
If you're playing cover one, cover two, a couple of three,
if you're playing quarters, what can make your life difficult?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
That's the way that I look at it.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's too much. That's too much, too much.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That man's got, that man's got a full full, Like
how do you maintain that every day?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To catch her beard with like dreads going on and everything?
Was that Brandon Marsh I think who is that? I
think that was That's like the Charlie Blackman right there,
Charlie Blackman beard with like the Quinn Minors dreads going on.
I'm like, I'm not cool, though, how do you.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Manage that on a daily But you must have a
set of guards for shaving?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
No, there are no guards.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Out, Yeah, there ain't no guards, Just going I.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Don't have I don't I'm not cool. Let's pull that off.
If I come in looking like a you know, a
homeless Jack Sparrow or whatever it is that he's got
going on there, just saying like, I'm not cool to
that look off. I'm just not I don't have it
in me. I six sixty nine zeros of text line
anything we want to see as this thing starts to
ramp up. I mean the real first practice, the real
(29:03):
one will be Friday, but obviously we got another acclamation
period tomorrow. And what's the first thing. What are the
things you really want to see coming out of these
early practices? Really just kind of the depth chart.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know, who was starting off at what positions? You know,
in the receiver position, who's first team, who's second team,
who's you know, who's thirteen? It really had every position,
safety position. I'm interested in that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Kufunga and Brandon Jones, Oh PJ coming back off to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, with PJ coming back and you know, he looked
like he was good out there today. And if he's healthy,
I think he's on his ball club if he's healthy.
When we get to week.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
One, see, I'm looking for straight out the door competition.
What's players at whatever position is saying, you know what,
this is my training camp. I'm going to own it
right now, and I'm going to start it off day
one making plays because that sets the tempo for it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, yah, making play.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
It was making play you're talking about like as a
dB getting inceptions or as a receiver catching path.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It doesn't have to be from DV perspective.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It doesn't necessarily have to be an I in t
you're in phase on every single play, you're you're on
the spot, you're getting your hands in preparation for interception
because you are competitive, not combative. But also if there's
an opportunity for you to deflect the pass, get the PPU.
If you a wide receiver, show me that all that
(30:33):
stuff that you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Are working on.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
OTA's working on those kind of elusive moves, Now show
me to them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I want to see the wide receivers when you talk
about making plays, I want to see the wid receivers
making it. And I want to see somebody, whomever that is,
announce themselves as the guy when you absolutely got to
have it, need it.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Third down, we're going to this guy. I want somebody
to be that guy. And I hope that over the
course of camp we all see it as well. We're like,
that's him, you know what, I'm him? Yeah, I mean
we are to be there.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Who's Who's Tim Pa? Who's Tim Patrick on this roster?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Who's the guy that you know absolutely if they throw
the football that way, it's he's going to get it.
He's coming down earlier answer to the question, some mean
you you asked the question.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
That that you want to supply to answer no, go
ahead and supply go ahead, ben any one of the
Broncos receivers. I know that, I know you want to
say he's the guy. I feel like it could be,
but I would love to see.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
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Speaker 7 (31:56):
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Speaker 2 (32:50):
In the Hall of Fame, isn't it. You know what
a treat for killed Laughna to come into this offense
and have Evan Ingram, Hall of Famer, Lucas Croll and
Robert Grinkowski a larn from It's just but Steve, we
appreciate your time has always been any from break said
I have, and you brought this cut your diet back
after this
But all Brian Nick Ferguson, the Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater,
Grant Smith, back there behind the glass, Rockies getting back
to back series wins for the first time this season
for shutouts since uh twenty twenty two. Broncos training camp
kicks off, And because we are the saved by the
bell College years to Ryan Edwards, saved by the Bells,
we will not talk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
About any of that or sports at all, because I
guess now I was just kidding Stevey.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Don't buddy, wonderful man, glad to see guys running around
on the field gain.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's back, and.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's just in shorts that the pads practice acclimatization thus far,
say what, but we got real practice coming up here
in a couple of days. What was it called acclimatization? Okay,
getting you know, acclamation, acclimation, whatever you want to call it. Yes,
I just you know, big glamatization. Yes, I throw a
different word up, okay, but a.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Few more syllables in it. Hey, look, I'm hearing to
both the SEC far right. I'm just trying to make
it do it. They just make it sound like it's
fridge is something talk about fresh fry.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you say we call freedom fries now? But yes,
it's it's uh, it's been a busy day in color
of sports, I guess. But how good is it to
to see and be we worked days away from a
preseason football game?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That is, that's technically days like week.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Two weeks, eight days a week and a day week
and a day. It's always days tomorrow, even if it's.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
See we we as eight days when you in training camp,
or at least what when Steve and I play, It
seemed like it was an eternity put on a training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That was like the start of a journey.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yes it was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was day one like, oh god, here we go again.
It was day like, oh god, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You always hyped up, you know, glad to see all the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Guys and everything, and you you contact stars with after
day three see see see that's where things are different.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Because as I was watching practice today, I was telling
romy Bean that, no, this is not the practice I'm
used to because immediately I went back to what was
it like for me with the New York Jets and
the first day of practice, the first day of practice,
right out of.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Stretch, it's eight thirty in the morning. No, it was live.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
No, it was a live kickoff drill. Mike west was
a special teams coach. The only thing you couldn't do
was you couldn't take the returner to the crown. But
I mean with me, all I heard was live.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
What year was?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
What year was the wedge out?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Load?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Still?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yes, the wedge was in play. So for me, only
words I heard I heard live. Right, So I'm running
down Phield.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's live.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
So if you're my way, I'm knocking you out the way.
You're the returner, I'm hitting you because no why he said.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Live it was a MEMORYX it was live. So that's
how practice first day of practice.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What year was this?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Two thousand and two? Dang two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The first time we had a punt Returnerris for Red Jersey.
I'm right at the gate man coach, listen first out
here right now, and he just he's dying to hit people.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Hey, look, man, I've gotten yelled at before.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You saw what he did at Gatoray table.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yes, her yelled at me before. Mike Westolf yelled at
me saying that I was doing too much. But I'm
like you told me live.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So what do you want me to do? I only
know one speed and that's full speed.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hey, well you'd have been on our team, you wouldn't
have been in pregnant. Well, you're not gonna hurt us.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Heard everybody gets one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
That's crazy. No, no, no, Now, I have to tell
you I was a young player during that time.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
By the time I came here to the Broncos, I
was well season and I paid attention around the league.
And you watch TV. You see how practices are run,
and quickly you run in the locker room. Hey, man,
show the tempo, showing us up. We need to coma
(04:16):
dollar back a little bit. Hey, but sometimes you gotta
you gotta do that to get yourself and remind them.
Remind him I.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Was an undrafted guy.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What I'm saying I would if I would undrafted.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's probably the way I would be.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
We all know.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I would definitely go.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Under one guy who never really told me to chill
out with Shannon Sharp. Sharp never really told me to
chill out, because he'd be like, I'm gonna tell you
what I'm gonna do, and then I'm gonna do it.
And I'm like, Okay, let's let's see who wins this one.
And that's the way that he was in practice. So
I appreciated that year. I don't know exactly what year
(04:52):
that was for him, it could have been maybe eight
or nine.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But he wasn't one of those guys that he was
just like take it easy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, yeah, sure, he always worked hard. Yes.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
So once again, when I look at practice today and
it sounds like one of those get off my lawn
type moments, if it does, it probably does. But I'm
used to practice being a certain way. But I understand
why they're revving things up in this particular way because
two years ago this team had an enormous amount of injuries.
And when you take someone who's had an enormous amount
(05:26):
of time off and try to ram them up, I
mean that's very different. That's like having a corvette and
sit it in the garage for a month and then
as soon as you try to take it out of
the garage, you try to open it up.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Nah, he's not gonna work. Yes, Yeah, so I understand it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I'm a terrible human being.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yes, you are show to see if Steve is like.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'm not, I'm not gonna dignify that with all didn't respond,
shake his head like that's just what he's put up
with him on k Sports too hours, you know, having
to deal with me. He's already he's already been eased
into it. I gotta laugh out of him. Five six
zeros in text slide. What are we expecting out of
this team this year? There's a lot of national expectation
(06:18):
for the Broncos, and it's the first time in a
long time, and the Broncos are the biggest favorite Week
one of the season on the betting odds. They are
the most bet team in the rook quarterback. They are
the most bet team in the league to win their division.
More people have bet the Broncos to win the AFC
West than any other team any other division. There a
lot of optimism about the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
This season, like the optimism now we just we gotta
go out and do our thing.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Now to Mexican.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You can't look at that. We gotta we gotta look
at how are we working.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Who's who has to have the season to make that happens.
Let's step outside of boat Nicks, because that's the obvious answer.
The quarterbacks not play. But outside of that, who's gotta
have that big time season in order to make that dream.
Which player, which player most needs or the team needs
them to have that big season in order for the
Broncos to get to wear.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The position running backs.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, gott to whoever, whoever. However he's pronounced his name now,
you know, it's like four times now. I haven't heard
a change from the day it was. It was it
was baby Battie Beday and then said, I'm like, oh
(07:27):
my god, I just pick a name, dude, I thought
it was. He's telling us this every time. He's the
one who's like, yeah, it's pronounced this. I'm like, maybe
he's not sure, right, not sure. Maybe he's just trolling,
trolling us all with a fantasy performance in that playoff game,
just saying he.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Could be for me, it's obviously obviously it's it's a
running back. Most people think about that because the Broncos
run game wasn't where it needed to be. I have
my thoughts on on why, and that's because I mean,
bo average about thirty three passing attempts a game, so
it's hard to establish a run if you're throwing that
that off that often. So for me, I look at
(08:06):
the wide receivers, and you and I talked about this
the other day, and it's you need some of those
young guys to really start to show up, right because
if they don't show up now it kind of ties
your hands. So now you're going from Cortland ebon Ingram.
Maybe we run the ball and maybe be successful. But
if those guys open up, if we see that that
(08:30):
play that we saw the open of Buffalo Bill's game,
that deep throw to Troy Franklin like last year, Troy
frank I mean, there was some attempts that Raiders game
is right there off his fingertips. But if he can
show that he can be an explosive threat, that therefore
changed the trajectory for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Now you got multiple guys and go deep, not just Marrush,
which you kind of need. Although I'm not holding my
breath on that. You read led the Broncos and rushing
touchdowns last year, rushing touchdowns probably Boo Bowl and Javonte
were Remember remember at the beginning of the season, the
big narrative was, well, Bowl hasn't thrown the reds on touchdown,
(09:09):
but he runs, but he rushed the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I'm like, well, yeah, you would want your quarterback to throw.
But I'm not worried because the kid is building confidence. Yes,
at some point he's gonna happen. Yeah, so I'm not
I'm not worried and concerned about that. But no, you
don't want your quarterback leading the team in rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, and it was I mean, you know, the rushing
I think we all agree the rushing attack was bad.
Last year. McLoughlin was the team that leaded yards per
game with thirty or excuse me, thirty one yards per game. Yes,
for your top running back, thirty one yards per game.
And I get to Sean Payton uses those rotations and
all that kind of stuff. But thirty one yards per
game from your best back or lead back, whatever the
case may be, ain't it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And Delilo, he's a shift to your guy bass guy.
Uh and surprisingly runs pretty well between the tackles for
for us. Now with with with Dickhead Dobbins and R. J.
Harvey estimate of those guys, they technically, because of their size,
(10:10):
they should be able to do that better running between
the tackles.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, But for me, it's more.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Than just running between the tackles, because every time we've
had this conversation, or we've been having this conversation for
the past couple of years here in Broncos Country. Well,
getting the run game on track?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
How do you do that? Just run the ball. I'm like,
you just can't hand the ball to the guys. Just
said no, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Scheme brockingt the vision to find a cutback lane. I mean,
there's there's more to it than that. I mean, this
isn't just Madden, you know, just run the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It used the indstick. Okay, let me take you back
for a second. Was there not last year?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
The year before the Broncos are playing the Cleveland Browns, right,
and what we saw the Broncos do I was I
was hoping and wishing it. Yes, they were trapping and
then whamming guys and they found a lot of success,
but it didn't continue. It just kind of tapered off
as like, oh, here's the caste of what we can
do if we wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But then it just stopped.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
With the backs that you have in the room right now,
it has to be a frame of mind, block force trauma.
If you an offensive lineman for the Denver Broncos. You
have to be upset if the team is throwing on
third and one or you can't pick up a third
and one because to me, it's like.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That's a yard if you moved the guy off the yard.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And we were consistently not good in third and short
last year in those situations. I mean, you know, if
we didn't get it on first or second. Now with
a passer bowl, we likely worked and guess.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And was it the running backs or was it the
old line?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, the old line's been highly rated by every one
of these services. You know, you see the Pro Football
Focused grades, they put them at the top. You see
all these analytics things out there saying we got this
great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So if that's the case, if the numbers were that high,
let's just look at it in real time. If the
numbers were that high, graded by Pro Football Focus, why
wasn't that they were converting on those particular third and
shorts or opting to pass.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Why part of that I think is on the play caller.
I mean we even saw him have to write a
note to himself on that, you know, run the ball more,
and then he didn't do it. And we saw that.
We've seen that we've seen Sean Payton get away from
the run too much. That was a complaint of his
when he was into Orleans, that he would get away
from the run game too much and try to throw.
You know, he's a former quarterback. He wants to sling
the ball over the yard and we've seen that. So
(12:30):
it's safe to say that there was a multitude of
factors we had a running back led to that, and
it wasn't just it wasn't one thing. I mean, Okay
struggled with vision last year. I mean there were some
cutback lanes over there and he just didn't He just
wasn't seeing them. Uh. And then I think he had
guys like Estimate who had the size but wasn't moving
the pile, you know, and when he was out there,
I think that's that's got to be something. I mean,
(12:51):
you got to be that guy. You're gonna be that size,
You're gonna be that dude.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You got to be that dude. Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Now, to add Estimate's credit, you go back you watch
his film from Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That dude was beasting in those he was absolutely So
here's my question to Tracy, that guy he is drafted
to be that guy. Sometimes do we get trapped into.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
The idea that you try to fit a guy into
a scheme instead of trying to fit the scheme around him.
Is that something that we're seeing because watching games all
over the league last year, you know what, the past
two years, I've seen it. I understand why a coach
would do that. But I would think that if you
have a guy with a certain skill set, I mean,
don't you want to accentuate that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I would think so. And you go back and you
look at the history of what Sean Bayden does, and
he certainly likes those bruiser backs to come in there,
especially on early downs and you know, and do stuff
like that. Guys like Latavious Murray. Latavius Murray was a
big part of what he did in New Orleans. He
had mark Ingram out there moving the pile. He had
guys like like Deuce early on in his career, just
Macallist early on in New Orleans. He had bigger backs
(13:53):
that were out there capable of doing that. But it
just seems like, you know that that something wasn't right
last year, whether it was the constant rotations and not
getting a groove, whether it was the getting away from
it with passing the ball, whether it was the running
backs not living up to what you expected out of them,
whatever the case may be, And it may have been
all those things. We just did not get into a
groove run the football and outside of Bow were largely
(14:16):
unsuccessful running the ball.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, think about and that should have opened up running
lanes for the other guys. Right, But let's put this
in perspective.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Bow was successful as athletic as he is running where
when he got his touchdowns on the perimeter, right, That's
where he got his touchdowns right on the perimeter, not
running through the teeth of the defense.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And ideas that because you get it back and he
has a massive size that is pre ordained that he
has to run between the times, was like, no, there
are less guys outside.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
If you can get a smaller guys too.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you said if you can get outside, but you
have to try. This team can pull with Quinn minors
leading around the edge. They've shown that they.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Can do that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, that's not really bad powers for tape, but miners
can do it.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Don't then anytime you pull, don't pull to ben power side.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, I just said, have been powers pulling. Well, I
mean you could pull the center if you wanted to,
I mean you really wanted to.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, you can't, And I saw it.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I saw one of the best centers to ever pull
from that position, and that was Kevin Mawai. Now every
center is not built that way, right, Tom Naylor can
get out there, but no one like a guy like
Kevin Mawai. Now the Broncos look to explore that with
their centers. Now, yeah, that's a different requel. That's changing things,
(15:39):
changing things up. But for me, you got to have
the inside outside game. You've already proven it.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That bow can do it.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Put someone else who's kind of They've been built that
way since pop Water, but was doing that last year.
But Mark, you know what that's like Ben's favorite coach,
Pat Shermer. Don't you and Jerry Judy on jet sweeps
in those orbit motions. It's like no fake fake jet.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yes, Marvin Mahams was born to go vertical.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They ran that mountains it worked, didn't you remember they
read that mountains playing We thought.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
You brought everybody knew alert alert, hold on. So you're saying,
what Mark, what they were doing, marm didn't work? Last year,
not at a high percentage.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Not that backfield did not work.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Okay, remembers. Let's say here's a buffalo proof. Buffalo proof.
You watch film and it's gonna dictate things.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Well, if you're Marvin Members not going vertical, which we saw,
they had both at uh, Marvin Mams and Javonte in
the backfield.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
They had both who was it, I think it was
called of sudden and what was the other receiver?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Who was here?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Who's no longer here?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Josh Jordan, Jordan Humphrey to the right side. They brought
Marvin in motion and the live back and he ran
right between the two receivers and tagle Marvin Mems.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
For a loss.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That was an old staple of rich Rod offense. That
Mountaineer swing. Well, they ain't seen it a few times.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Sims only had thirteen carries last year. He averaged what
three three point two of carry Three of them went
for first half.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I get it, and I'm changing. I'm not saying that
I don't like the change up. I was okay with
the change up, but he was one of those guys
that you need to go vertical. Like seeing Marvin Mems
go vertical. Still nightmares for Grant. Still nightmares for Grants. Yes,
it's nightmares, and and that's what you want to create.
(17:37):
You want to create nightmares for the opposition and Marvin Mams.
And if Troy Franklin comes along with Ben's uh the
Devon Vley running those short intermediate routes.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Boom, Now we couldn't increase well, Vyle, I have no
worries about it's Troy Franklin. I'm like, I'm not holding
until I see it. I'm not counting on it. You know,
he just looks like a guy don't track the ball
over his shoulder. Man, He's he's one of those guys
like you know, I talk about some of the tight
ends that had to have their numbers back to the quarterback.
Try Franklins to receive the.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't subscribe to that because once again, I go
back to what a guy was able to do in college.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But that's what they did.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
They brought him on the crossers, and they hit him
on the crossers, or bring him across, create after the catch,
flash the numbers back to the quarterback, then create after
the gadget bring him on the crosser. Because you realize
that was the stable of the office.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But he was in common that was that was what
he was best at. But he was an organ That's
what they did. I mean it wasn't the vertical stuff.
It was hit him on the crosser and put them
in his hands and let him blow by peap and
they had a run a game. Well, I mean, yes,
you know. I mean Oregon's got an eighteen page playbook.
Can they go hurry up? And I mean an eighteen
play playbook? Can they go hurry up? And they just
dress it up different?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Now now, real talk, real quickly, is be transparent upon
this one of the toughest catches to make for a
wide receivers over the shoulder, over the shoulder, But that's
what you're paid to do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I'm just saying, man, I had the same conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I had the same conversation with Rod Smith, and I
was like, it's not easy. If we're EASi, everybody could
do it right, But that's what they're paying you for.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You see, now you want to make me say, okay,
let's prove this.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Let's go get Peyton Manning and have him throw some
over the show the passes to you and see how
many of you catch give.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Me wide receiver.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Pay, I'll start making a lot of them. Give me
the NFL wide receiver pay im a ton over the
shoulder catches. I'll get my stuff blown up in the
second after that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But you know all look like a rag dolls like
it ald you know into yesterdayyear by by Jamal Adams
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
But yeah, yeah, I'll get it over the shoulder catch.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sure, this is a rough catch, but I agreed as
a receiver and that's got to be in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's tough receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What are you talking about, Nick, I'm just saying for.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
A receiver, that's what you're supposed to do. I'm just
saying that is a tough catch. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
This segment.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
This segment has been brought to you by Troy Franklin's agent,
Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yes, it's tough to have a running back too.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, guess what you got to.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Pay to do it?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Very true, very very very true. But not everyone can
actually do that.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
It's very When a running back is out in open space,
you have its choice. Am I going to take a
dive in the dirt or I'm gonna make make this tackle?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I'll tell you what. When I saw Bryce Callahan square
up on Dennrick Derrick Henry and bring it down, I
was like, you know what, I can never make excuses
for somebody to take a dive in the dirt a
game because that dude is my size and he.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Absolutely Tyron Matthews, Yeah, he retired his retirement, man, but
he was another guy who wasn't very big, but he's
gonna take.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
His head in. It absolutely was. When we come back, Well,
we'll see if Nick Ferguson has any other things he
wants to do as agent for Troy Franklin. You guys
wants to Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You're on KA.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Five six six yod texts and a lot of a
lot of good texts comeing in here. Three seven They
ran way more ISO game for Estimate a Notre dame
that is true. Three or seven. Javonte was running with
his eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh that's messed up, man.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'll tell you what I.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Talked to you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I talked about Buddy who works for the Dallas Cowboys
down there, works for their media site. Patrick Walker. No
see he was uh. He was like, Javante looks like
he might be back, you know, so far, So we'll see.
We'll see if Chavante resurrecs.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Bs when I hear people make comments he's running with
his eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, I think he was a year off of that injury.
That was a big I was surprised he was even back.
He was playing to Dobbins, like two and a half
years to come back off that. He's the only guy
who had that that same injury.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like it was a world record how fast Davonte came
back from that injury amongst professional athletics or olympians.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you remember what the conversations were like the first
day and second day watching Javonte run around.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean people were shocked in the maze. Yeah, people
when he got hurt. There were people wondering if he
had ever played football. Yeah, and he looked great.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So look, like I said, there's a lot of things
that go into a run game getting on track. And
I'm not going to sit here and I'm just not
going to isolate one individual group of persons and say,
well that was the common cause.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I'm going to do it as a collective and.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And hopefully I'm hoping based on the depth in the
room and the addition of Evan Ingram. That's going to
open some spaces.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's the big thing. I think the Ingram factor here.
You know, whether or not I think he has the
stats or whatever, you know, I think this the athleticism
opening things up for other guys is the biggest beneficiary.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You just need to be a threat, because well you
didn't have that trout. No disrespect, but is not that dude. Yes,
I mean, I just, I just I keep going back the.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
National tight end.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
What do we do?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Throw to the tight end?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Featured the tight ends?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I remember the scene route.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And then never found them again.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I'm telling you, man, you don't have to be a
Carol Blazing tight end. No get opened, No, because most
safety don't.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Know what the heck did.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
A lot of they don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Some linebackers and safeties they're just looking at the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And it's open. We're on the regular.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Look, man, I'm telling you that that why shake it's
it's it's all. When I was here, Shannon ran it.
When I was in Houston with with coach Kobak or
Daniel's ranted there.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He ran it here with Peyton Manning.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
That's money right there, and you set them up with
that ye shake and throw your hand up in there
every day like that, like that, Oh that and the whip,
the whip, that whip under you know like those those
are those are there for tight ends every time.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And then you can't get in the linebackers looking at
the backfield exactly, they're peaking.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
As soon as you break that in breaking round, they
sit down because they got they got both the line
and you cut it back out.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And there's already the fascinating thing about last season watching
games and I would laugh all the time every time
the Broncos gut us had the red zone and Nate
Atkins was in in the backfield, and I'm like, let
me see if these linebackers actually paying attention to read
to Scott of report.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No, you just go with every time you got it live.
It was like, you know, the little angle route out.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Of the backfield was easy, easy, like.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Taking candy from a baby. Yeah, that was what else
we got here? S someone and I've been working a
double shift today. I hope they give you time and
a half. Well, somebody needs to go talk to Dave
Tepper about that. Okay, Uh, let's see. I want to
see mems on Texas routes out of the backfield. I
think that's uh. I think R. J. Harvey and JK.
Dobbins are probably more likely to see those.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, I don't want to see mems on the Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Route because getting stuff blown up the Broncos play the
Washington Commanders. I think, uh in November now, I don't
want to see memes kind of running a Texas route.
And Bobby Wagner, you know you've seen the loss, saying,
man a chair, don't put that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
The Texas route.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
First.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
You have to disguise like you make it s true
or that you you make it like it's going out
right outside.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You make it look like you're peeling to the flat.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Now, what happens if that linebacker just show up with
his feet he doesn't turn right there, Well, so.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You come right back to him.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Then you can did What you need to do is
you're a tight end on the post. It's pulling the
linebacker out of the way so you can hit that
angle route underneath.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
But if he reads it, may not going for that.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
If he reads it right and you throw it late,
well yeah, I mean if they're sitting see one or three,
you're screwed anyway, you see.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You know, so that's going to be a no for
me on the Texas route for man I I toasted.
I'm vertical, Yeah, vertical, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Let him carry guys out of the equation or if
they can't keep up tossing the boy. Saw what happened
Cincinnati game. Sorry Gren you know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Over there.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So you take it. Take a lot of here.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
One of them is gonna win, one of them is
gonna lose. Okay. I got to win my first work,
my first playoff game for the Broncos. Because of that win,
that sounds like they.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
This game.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, Jason Witten made a Hall of Fame career on
the Whip route. Yeah yeah, I mean it's you know
for tight ends, like that's one of them. That's one
of those money banking it, you know route sayers at
the Whip route, especially if you get the ability to
you know, sit down and then accelerate the other way,
you're gonna have the linebacker trailing you to the to
the sideline.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
The other one is the zorro route because they set
it up like they're running a shallow and you chase
the shallow the first time. The second time he runs
really like he's running a shallow and then he stops.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And that's what I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
About, the whole moment and just keep going forward.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Direction. Yes, and Evan Ingram has the type of ability
that short area equipment is where he can get in
and out where where.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Man, that would be perfect for him to run those things.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And there's a couple of other things you could do
with that, Like I'd love to see Mimes and Franklin
both in there, you know, inside and running shallow crossers
until you start biting those things and then you hit
them with the double outs like that. Like, there's there's
ways to set that stuff up.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
What about you run the first shallow cross of whether
successful or not, and then you run like you run
a shallow cross.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
As soon as the defenders sit down, you go verte.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's what's saying.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, you can peel up that peak right there and
split in the two deep safety. Yeah, that's what I'm
talking about right there. See, Yeah, I got start driving.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Here.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
You bring your white board.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
This, draw it up because I'll tell you this. I'm
not saying I'm an offensive officionado. I am not.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But what I do is I think about, Yes, what
would make things difficult.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
If you're playing cover one, cover two, a couple of three,
if you're playing quarters, what can make your life difficult?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
That's the way that I look at it.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's too much. That's too much, too much.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That man's got, that man's got a full full, Like
how do you maintain that every day?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To catch her beard with like dreads going on and everything?
Was that Brandon Marsh I think who is that? I
think that was That's like the Charlie Blackman right there,
Charlie Blackman beard with like the Quinn Minors dreads going on.
I'm like, I'm not cool, though, how do you.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Manage that on a daily But you must have a
set of guards for shaving?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
No, there are no guards.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Out, Yeah, there ain't no guards, Just going I.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Don't have I don't I'm not cool. Let's pull that off.
If I come in looking like a you know, a
homeless Jack Sparrow or whatever it is that he's got
going on there, just saying like, I'm not cool to
that look off. I'm just not I don't have it
in me. I six sixty nine zeros of text line
anything we want to see as this thing starts to
ramp up. I mean the real first practice, the real
(29:03):
one will be Friday, but obviously we got another acclamation
period tomorrow. And what's the first thing. What are the
things you really want to see coming out of these
early practices? Really just kind of the depth chart.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know, who was starting off at what positions? You know,
in the receiver position, who's first team, who's second team,
who's you know, who's thirteen? It really had every position,
safety position. I'm interested in that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Kufunga and Brandon Jones, Oh PJ coming back off to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, with PJ coming back and you know, he looked
like he was good out there today. And if he's healthy,
I think he's on his ball club if he's healthy.
When we get to week.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
One, see, I'm looking for straight out the door competition.
What's players at whatever position is saying, you know what,
this is my training camp. I'm going to own it
right now, and I'm going to start it off day
one making plays because that sets the tempo for it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, yah, making play.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
It was making play you're talking about like as a
dB getting inceptions or as a receiver catching path.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It doesn't have to be from DV perspective.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It doesn't necessarily have to be an I in t
you're in phase on every single play, you're you're on
the spot, you're getting your hands in preparation for interception
because you are competitive, not combative. But also if there's
an opportunity for you to deflect the pass, get the PPU.
If you a wide receiver, show me that all that
(30:33):
stuff that you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Are working on.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
OTA's working on those kind of elusive moves, Now show
me to them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I want to see the wide receivers when you talk
about making plays, I want to see the wid receivers
making it. And I want to see somebody, whomever that is,
announce themselves as the guy when you absolutely got to
have it, need it.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Third down, we're going to this guy. I want somebody
to be that guy. And I hope that over the
course of camp we all see it as well. We're like,
that's him, you know what, I'm him? Yeah, I mean
we are to be there.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Who's Who's Tim Pa? Who's Tim Patrick on this roster?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Who's the guy that you know absolutely if they throw
the football that way, it's he's going to get it.
He's coming down earlier answer to the question, some mean
you you asked the question.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
That that you want to supply to answer no, go
ahead and supply go ahead, ben any one of the
Broncos receivers. I know that, I know you want to
say he's the guy. I feel like it could be,
but I would love to see.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
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Speaker 2 (32:50):
In the Hall of Fame, isn't it. You know what
a treat for killed Laughna to come into this offense
and have Evan Ingram, Hall of Famer, Lucas Croll and
Robert Grinkowski a larn from It's just but Steve, we
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