07-27-24 Broncos Country Tonight LIVE from Broncos Park Powered by CommonSpirit for Broncos Training Camp 2024

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Broncos Training Camp twenty twenty four atBroncos Park, powered by Common Spirits.
Welcome to the program, Ryan Edwards, Benjamin Albright with you here. Koa
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we are. How are you.I'm doing pretty well. And for those
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then you can come down listen onthe hill to the show, and we
appreciate it and we love interacting withyou guys. So if you scream out
we love you Ryan at the topof the hill, as long as you
as loud as you can, weall know you don't love me. So
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you' it's a it's a love hate. It's that they really don't love you.
It's a disdain. Yeah. SoI'm excited to be out here.
We're excited for training camp, andeverybody wants to talk about the quarterbacks.
Obviously we're gonna spend a good portionof today and to talk about the quarterbacks.
There's those other great storylines. Iheard you kind of breaking it down
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At noon, Ben, let's startwith the quarterbacks. Yesterday was it's

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not great. It's not great,but you know, the offense being behind
the defense really shouldn't surprise anybody,and you have a relatively inexperienced quarterback room.
So for me, I'm not toosurprised, and especially I think in
the context of what we saw offseason. Yeah, I mean you've got
guys in Zach Wilson and Bo Nickswho just haven't had that many practices with

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with this offense and with this unit. I mean you're talking about a handful
maybe a dozen practices total, UVersus a guy like Jared Stidham, who's
who's had a year in the offenseand you're around these guys, he's gonna
have a bit more familiarity, bea little bit more smooth. So I'm
not too I'm not too worried atthis point that you know, it doesn't
look like it's all gelled and readyto go. I think if you get
into the middle of camp, youstart getting to that second preseason game,

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you get to practice with the Packersand the offense looks disjointed, then it's
time to start, you know,hitting the alarm button and all that kind
of stuff. But for right now, it's patients. As you grow this
thing. You know, you youwouldn't be mad at you know, at
a at a strawberry plant if youplanted it and you couldn't pick the fruit
two days later. You know,you gotta wait till till the thing grows.
Until you can harvest it. Sothat was the cleanest metaphor I think

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you've ever made in my time.Knowing you proud of myself, that's pretty
good. You know. You knowthe Farbers in our area that listen to
Ko all the time, they're probablylike pandering. I get that. I'm
pandering. I get that reference.I'm I love that king of agriculture.
I'm pattering agriculture. So listen,man, I think you nailed it right,
and and I think what we're Theworry I have, if there is

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a worry, is that it's gonnalook a lot like yesterday for a while
into two weeks. As in,Zach Wilson might have the best throw of
the day because he did yesterday toJosh Reilon, even though it was a
play he would have been sacked on, was thrown off platform and probably something
you never want to see in agame. I don't I don't count that
as a sack, but but it'sit. Whatever. We're splitting hairs,

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right, I mean, I don'tthink I didn't think that was a Zack.
I thought Zack Golland was bearing downon him. I thought he moved
away from the pressure. He sawthe pressure, he got rid of the
ball and boy that I mean hethreaded it down the left sideline on a
comeback route to Josh Reil's. Thatwas impressive to me. I thought that
was the best throw of the day. But meanwhile, I thought bot Nicks
had the most consistent day, evenif there were a lot of inconsistencies.
I thought he closed stronger. Ithought he overall over the course of camp,

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has been the guy that that lookscomfortable and offers the upside. I
know that you're a big Jarret Stidhamguy, like I know that you have
a tattoo, or you have abet, or you have a poster on
my ceiling, you have some kindof maybe maybe you work for his agent.
I really don't know, but butyou are a Jarrett Stidham honk.

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And I can't imagine you watched yesterday'spractice and you came away from that thing
and saying, hey, this isa guy that can start in the NFL.
Well, first of all, it'sa partnership. I don't work for
him, Okay, got the swithproceeds. Second of all, I mean
I didn't come away say he couldn'tstart. I mean we're talking about practices
with no pads. You know,at this point, you just want to
see balls not hitting the ground.You want to see receivers not having to
adjust, you know, catching thingsin route, in timing all that kind

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of stuff. So you know,I didn't think badly necessarily of what he
did yesterday. I didn't think anythe quarterbacks were great. I just thought
it was a kind of a dayof mediocrity, and and all three of
them are kind of mediocre. Butwe saw this last year for a moment
here. We saw this last yearwith Russell Wilson. Even right we saw
the first couple of weeks i'd saya week and a half or so of
training camps was rough. It wasreally rough on the offense, wasn't it.

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Well, when you have people learninga new offense, up tends to
be the case, which is whyI said that, you know, Jared
being ahead right now is not reallya surprise. I don't think to anybody.
I know everybody sort of wants boatNicks to win. And you could
tell that from the cheers in thecrowd where we're both completes a pass.
There's rockous cheering up there. WhateverJared Stinnemer Zach Wilson completes a pass.
Yeah, you know, you hearsomething from the family section over here,
but that's about it. So it'sit's uh, I mean, at this

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point in time again, this issomething that's growing, you know, and
you've got of got to let itget there. And so you're gonna have
you know, you know, youknow how it is. Everybody's got to
have an opinion or a take orwhatever. It's the hot take blogs and
the other radio stations and all thatkind of stuff. They're all gonna have
these knee jerk opinions and oh he'sa botix is a bust or you know
this kind of stuff. Let thatstuff go in one ear and not the
other. You got to ride thisthing out there. Are positive you haven't

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seen all that kind of stuff.No, I know you you're not on
social media very often, but there'scertainly if he's not winning the job right
now, he's a boss. Ohwell that I have seen, you know,
And I'm like, this is ridiculous. See, we were two practices
too, real practices in and wehaven't even had MoMA pads yet. So
give it some time, let itgrow and we'll get there. I think
I know all eyes are on thequarterback competition, but there are other competitions

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out here that to keep your eyeon that I think are right now a
little more crucial. Who's gonna besnapping that quarterback the ball on the other
side of the the other side ofthe ball. Who's gonna be played inside
backer? More importantly, who's gonnaplay other outside corner spot. No,
I absolutely do want to get tothat here in just a little bit.
And you said something yesterday on BCTthat I just don't agree with, which

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is pretty typical. But we wego back to the quarterbacks for just a
second. And the notion that thatbon Nick's, even with sixty one college
starts, should just hit the groundrunning in off season training and the first
two days or three days of trainingcamp is nonsense to me, Like that
doesn't make any sense. Like therethere, And I again, we weren't

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able to watch Patrick Mahomes in hisfirst couple of days. And I'm not
gonna sit here and say that.You know, maybe maybe he showed some
some rusty signs as a rookie inhis training get but I'd have to imagine
that there were some points in thereyou want him him to make some mistakes.
You want him to learn from everythinghe's doing. This is a different
game, and I mean, youget it. It just is like he

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set the college football record for completions. He's not gonna do that here in
training camp. I mean already,he's not gonna do that this season.
He's not gonna do that, andprobably any point in his career. Again,
I'm not trying to I'm not tryingto limit him or put a ceiling
on him already. I'm just sayingthat this is just a different game.
There's different types of athletes that you'replaying against. Everything is sped up,
and it's how he mentally handles thatand how quickly he can get to it

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that's going to really make the difference. Well, you got a different offense
too. I liken it too.For instance, when your ego got too
big, you forced yourself out ofBCT and get on the afternoon drive or
whatever. And you know, Ihad to learn I had to learn a
new role. I've been in radiofor a few years, but I had
to learn new role. You know, I had to learn a new offense.
I'd say you're still learning is probablypresent. That's probably fair and probably
even an overstatement in the sense thathow far behind the curve I was.

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But you have to learn something new, right, You got to learning new
things, and so it doesn't matterhow much experience you have. That's how
helpful in making you comfortable and familiarwith the scenario. But if you're learning
an entire new thing, you're stillstarting from scratch and you still got to
build off that, and so yougotta have patience with that. See how
the did that self serving right infront the boss and everything? No?
Right, yes, I yeah,I learned, learned past tense. We're

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not there everything there is to knownow, yeah, I again. You
know when you get a chance tolisten to BCT and it certainly was different
you know when I was there.But uh, my favorite is you spending
fifteen minutes talking about segments that youdon't understand or don't want to talk about,
Like I don't understand why we're talkingabout this. It's called the false
premise, like you did on theOlympics last night. You're like, I

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mean, is anybody care? Idon't care about the Olympics, But here's
ten minutes about the Olympics to providefull sports coverage the greatest. I was
dying. Uh. It was weirdthough, for what it's for what it's
worth, it was really weird.The opening ceremony there, the whole dian
iciest thing that everybody's mistaken for.Last supper, read a book, people
get some culture. Sterling Archer withme this morning. So I invented the

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tactical turtleneck. We'll bring you,We'll bring you updates as we have him
out here. It looks like NickBenito is back, which had really good
news. Sean Payton said he wouldbe pass rusher Nick Benito, who may
be the best edge rusher though Imight I might think Baron Browning, who
had a really good day yesterday,has a shot this year to probably lead
the team in sacks, and thatif that ends up being the case,

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it'll be fascinating when we get tothe offseason how they sort of decide who
they're gonna pay, whether it's gonnabe Jonathan Cooper, who's gonna continue to
be a relatively solid player I thinkled the team in sacks last year is
close to it eight and a half. And then you have Baron Browning,
who again has looked great all offseason, but so is Nick Benito.
It's an underrated pass rush group.Now. I got my bit and my

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head bit off on Thursday by ourfriend Dave Logan when I brought up how
the national media thinks less of thispass rush unit. Then I think a
lot of the people. But man, I'm talking that there's a young,
up and coming group and I thinkthe continuity of coaching staff coming into this
year is going to benefit them.Well, there's there's a lot of potential

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here. I think that these guyshave to meet that potential is really where
in order to if you're gonna satiatenational Mariti's national guys aren't out here.
I mean, are my buddy Patrickclabohn Fornfilm Networks over there. But beyond
that, the national guys aren't outhere. They're not watching it. They're
getting the reports. Mother, Canwe get a clean, clean crew over
here to clamp when names are dropping? Right? Yeah, it's uh.
I mean, at the end ofthe day, you got to show it

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on tape, you got to showit in the game, and if they're
able to do that, then they'llget the recognition that and all that kind
of stuff. I kind of sortof hate that I hate the way that
fans are, Oh, we're disrespectedbecause we don't get you know, keep
it quiet, let them sleep.Yeah, you know what are we doing
wining on social media? Let theplayer do the talking, and then when
we beat up on them, it'llbe that much sweeter. You're not wrong,
but it's been so many years ofbad that it's hard not to just

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sort of feel like it's being emphasizedor piled on if you will, like
like you can understand that, right, I mean, I guess so many
years. Well yeah, because you'rea Chiefs fan, but everybody else,
like all the Broncos fans out here, it's just been so many years of
struggle and frustration and poor quarterback playthat when you have sites like PFF saying

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you have the worst quarterback room inthe league and the worst roster in the
league, and you have guys likeWarren Sharp putting out stats every single week
saying, hey, when I domy rankings, the Broncos are the bottom
tier of the NFL. When itcomes to almost every position, you're you're
thinking to yourself, you're kind ofbombarded by it, like, Okay,
what am I missing? Because I'moptimistic because I see a path to success.

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But everybody else is telling me thatthis team is crap. It's because
they're reactive to what has been.You know, those people are posting rankings
or you know, whatever it isthat they're doing based on things that have
happened and not things that are happeningor things we think will happen. And
so I think that's I think that'sa part of it. I just don't.
I never got into all that stuff. I don't get into the you
know, the power rankings and theyou know, the whatever all that they
I even hate it, like collegefootball with the preseason polling, and I'm

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like, what what are we doinghere? Why do we Why are we
ranking teams we haven't even seen play? Well, I happen to those lists,
but of course you would. I'ma I'm a very listy kind of
person. Somebody checking in from Illinois, listening from Illinois now on my way
next week. Very cool. Myfavorite was your power rankings of co hosts
and you started listing future co hoststhat Joe ked Layers. That's good.

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Hey, listen you you are inmid camp for my friend. That's that's
pretty good. Started training ear loseyear. Yeah, quit eating the talkies
dropped ten pounds. You know,other other position groups that we're watching.
Brandon Jones is gonna miss today's practice. He's out here, gonna be out
for a couple of days. He'sgot tweak hamstring. He's gonna be out
for a couple of days. Theykind of you know, it's it's more
precautionary than anything, but might aswell. Yeah, at this point you

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get Sunday off, you know,so he's gonna be out for a couple
days. But you know what,And by the way, Kayden Stearns and
Blake Watson both both back out herepast their uh yeah, they got that.
They're off the pop. They uh, they may not practice today.
They got helmets. They may notpractice today, but they're off. They
passed, they passed there. Yeah, you gotta get a sense of what
your safety group is, right becauseyou just all have the no doubt starters.

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I I do believe it's gonna beJones and Locke, but the fact
is that you need to know whatyour depth looks like. And maybe this
is an opportunity to see more JailSkinner, who's made some plays. Yeah,
I resisted the urge there to say, if it was a no doubt
starter, we gotta put Win Stefaniin the conversation, but I sat I
resisted the urge of I think withthis. I think with this safety group,

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you do kind of need to seehow they work together though, and
Stern's I mean they do. Theidea behind getting Brandon Jones, you get
a true box safety guy, likea lot of people talk about him as
the replacement for Justin Simmons, whichhe's not really. You know, what
he will do is be more downin the box. He'll be a blitzing
safety and things like that. Andif you remember what Vance Joseph did back
when he was UH, when hewas here as a head coach, they

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love to use that heavy nickel package. It's a three safety rotation. They'll
drop a safety down there in abox. It's sort of a linebacker type
role, or to drop a safetyinto the slot. But they'll use three
safeties. They have two high guysout back and then somebody else who can
roll. And you know you usedto do that with Will Parks a little
bit. Now you're going to seethat with Brandon Jones. Brand Jones dropped
down in a box and you canyou can use him in a variety of
ways as sort of a defective linebacker, a blitzing blitzing dB off the edge,

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that kind of stuff, something thatBroncos really haven't done. Uh,
the vic Fangio defense does not havedefensive backs of blitz you know. It
just it just doesn't do that unlessyou're running a zero. It's just doesn't
do it. And so you're goingto see some new wrinkles, some new
depth to this defense in terms ofwhat they bring to the table and pressuring
the quarterback this year with the additionof Brandon Jones. Well, and you
have Brandon Jones, you have JaquieMcMillon. You have two guys that are

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he can do it. I kindof I don't want to waste him on
too many blitzers though, you know, when you're so good in coverage that
you don't want to waste him ontoo many blitzer No. But but knowing
that he has that and in hisarsenal is a good thing. In fact,
I'm gonna be speaking with him aftercamp today and we'll put that up
on social at Kai Colorado. Butyeah, he's he's so special. If
you want to talk about a guythat every single practice he makes a wow

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kind of play. Jaqui McMillan's mydude, like that that guy. And
it's so funny because last year hewas in my doghouse for a beat.
We were arguing about this because Isaid, I kept calling him jaquon making
millions with his playout here, andyou were rolling your eyes at my nickname.
No, because you are wont todo well because they're so bad.
You hate fun, you hate fun. No, because they're just so bad.

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No, he I was. Iwas upset last year because he tried
to take out Jerry Judy in ameaningless practice, like he went through him
to get the ball now, AndI was like, you got the dog
in it. You just like youwould say that. I remember Alfred saying,
Dave might even say that, like, oh no, you've got to
do that. Yeah, you gotthe dog in it. I was like,

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but Jerry Judy is laying there onthe ground, and we're like,
great, if we just lost ourone of our starting wide receivers, because
whose impact was felt last year inspades. You didn't know at the time
what it was gonna be, right, I mean, and you're still thinking
he's a starting wide receiver, startingcaliber wide receiver if nothing else. And
I understood what it ended up playingnow and he's now a Cleveland Brown.

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But at the moment, I waslike, ah ah, nah, he's
in my doghouse. But now I'mon the other side. It was in
your doghouse. He was in ourdog house. Doug, Now on the
other side of that. Jakwan McMillanis one of my favorite players on this
team. You gotta te him that. You tell me he's in the doghouse.
Last year you were happy to seehim work his way out of your
doghouse. I'm gonna say, Doug, Doug aw Franken Texas chiming in.

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Is nice to hear you two menback together. Love the banters always.
Here's the all to my oats.Wait, note the other way around.
Do you guys know if upon return, let's see your part turn have to
take a conditioning test. Oh,when the players returned, they have to
take conditioning test. Yeah, thereis there's a there's a physical they have
to do. Uh, there isa conditioning portion of that. But there's
a whole they have a whole thingthey have to go through. It's a

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medical work up in addition to todoing some physical exercises. Yeah, and
somebody says that old school it is, but it's also pretty school. Yeah.
It's just like there's you know,because they want to test out how
it's working and then they want toget imaging on that afterwards to make sure
it hasn't been reaggravated. And let'ssay in general, like these guys all
have to to show a certain competencyto be out in the field, right,
I mean they had a physical competency. They they've and we we were

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making note of that, especially DaveLogan the other day because he was talking
about how he noticed the guys seemedto be they're slimmed down shape. They're
slimmed down. Josh Renild has lostweight, which is weird because he's not
exactly the biggest guy. Javonte Obviouslyhe's lost you know, lost weight.
So Ryan, you've lost weight,You're you're in mid camp form. Well,
Sean came to me and we werewatching them some tape that Anthony Rod

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by the way, shot the clickerout and he's like, all right,
Ryan, what are we doing?What are we doing here? You know,
like lannel, you know, thepockets and the pants. He's like,
look at the side profile of you. I mean, what is even
happening here? Looked like they looklike alright, nobody wants that. And
once he said that, I waslike, all right, fine much,
I'll get conditioning right now. I'mgonna go run the hills. Now we

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call this pear shaped. We usuallydon't do fat shape. But it's okay
to self fat shame right, It'sokay, it's okay, I'm skinny fat.
You know. If it's this odd, never mind again. Five six
six nine zeros o ka Common Spiritof Health text line a live from Broncos
Park powered by Common Spirit. Let'stalk to the running backs. I want
to spend some time in the runningbacks, says Honestly, the running backs

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for me have consistently and again,pads don't come on till Monday. Got
the best unit. They look sogood? Right, Yeah, this looks
like the best unit on the team. And I think there's an odd man
out here. The the the obituarieswritten on Javonte Williams were a bit premature,
and you guys can find those literallyanywhere else at the station. But
I think that so they're just askingquestions. Man, Yeah, that's what

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it is. Maybe they should finishtheir run out before before they ask the
question. I think that when youwhen you look at the way that Sean
Payton has constructed running back rooms inthe past, there tends to be sort
of a one to two punch withwith with heavy backs. He tends to
like him right in that two twentyfive two thirty weight range. And if
you look at you know, Davanteand Auder guesstimate that sort of fits that
profile. So now Jay's in thatprofile as well. But so Magic p

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Ryan. You know, you cuthim, you save three million dollars against
the cap this year, and whatdoes he you offer? I mean last
year they started taking carries away fromhim down the stretch. Javante had sixty
seven percent of the carries from weekten on, so Maijay had three times
the fumbles that Javonte Williams had.They used him mostly as a as a
kind of a web back or whateverback, you know, kind of a
receiving guy out of the backfield passpro that kind of stuff. I think
that you're going to see a situationwhere alder guest to make becomes the battering

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Ram Javonte moves into the corner ofthe all purpose back and then Alvin Kamara.
Yeah, and then you'll see JuliaMcLoughlin kind of work into that Darren
Sproles role. You get eight toten touches the game. It's kind of
a spark back, see what hecan do. And then then of course
we got Blake Watson out here,and I believe they're going to use him
on kick return. It's sort ofwhat I've been told. And then you
know, kind of get a smatteringof scraps and whatever else you know,

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kind of comes his way because he'sgot that third gear like McLoughlin as well.
I absolutely love him on kickoff,Oh my gosh, cause I think
your point return is probably going tobe Mims, but your kick return is
probably going to be Treymont Smith andBlake Watson. So we'll see how that
shakes out. But early on that'skind of my guess. That's an interesting
balance that right of experience with withSmith, who comes from Houston, Texans,
he was returner out there, hasn'tgotten a lot of chante to return

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here because Mems won the job asa rookie and obviously when it was a
pro bowler as a result of it, but it's such a different lay now.
Yeah, andmsillms will still do puntreturns. I just can't see you
Usingnyhill on kickoffs, you know,I just I just can't. You need
somebody with more of that running backmentality based on the new rules, and
so I think you've got to seeWatson and treymont Smith, who's played running

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back before it plays corner now,I think is somebody you'll see back there
as well. A couple more texthere on the Kawa Common Spirit Health text
line five six six nine zero.Appreciate he's rolling with us here on I
guess we ostensibly call it day fourof training camp, but day two with
the fans. Yeah. Driving homefrom Florida the Kansas today, so glad
you guys are doing a live show. Makes the drive much better. We'll
thank you to Dave Tepper for puttingus on. Appreciate that and please drive

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safe. Bonjore boys from Paris.It's good listening to you this evening from
Paris. Love having you guys backcovering the Broncos together. That's Brad.
Thank you, Brad. Glad tohave you both back out of training camp
together. Well, wait, God, a lot of love here on the
text line. First, it feelsso good this one Somaji could cut his
beard and lose five pounds. Thatis a pretty impressive beard. It is

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it is. It is a man'sbeard. I'm gonna be sad to see
that go if they do cut himagain. Sean has been very particular on
the way guys should be looking.He'd be like, Listen's maj I'm looking.
I'm looking at this profile of youryour beard here, and you're you're
losing one to two, one totwo miles per hour on everyone else here.
First of all. Second of all, it's wind resistance. Man drag

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coefficient has gone up exponentially. Uh, fans getting into it. We're doing
some stretches out here here. Hemmy'sloosened up. You probably you probably should.
Let's let's be honest. You're readyfor this, Yeah, but just
be careful. You're old. Now, you are an old. You're older
than me. I never said Iwasn't. I'm just saying you are an

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old. You're the one that complainsabout creaky, creaky joints and all that.
Yeah, gotten too old to dieyoung. I feel like you've used
that and I hate myself for laughingat it every time. God, Oh,
it's too early for me to laughat your stupid jokes. A couple
of things. We'll get into thewide receiver group. I want to spend
some time on that. On theother side, we got news coming here

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at the bottom of the hour.I want to spend some time in the
wide receiver group because we're starting tosee and I think we already kind of
anticipated what the starters we're going tolook like, but the back end of
that room is fascinating, especially whenyou factor in special teams and what that's
gonna look like, your gunners,you're factoring in returners, all of it.
And again, it's such a differentdeal this year because of the kickoff

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translated over the air, but man, it feels like they set up a
stage next to our ears over hereand are just cranking the music. But
we'll have practice underway in a littlebit. We'll bring some updates as we

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yeah, Benigan's was a restaurant chant. No, we're not talking about that.
Well again, I think they thinkthat, well, this is obviously
a family member. There's no otherway around it. It's like a family
member is clearly texting in being like, oh man, a family member would
say it was good to hear meagain. That's fair. Mowing the lawn

(25:44):
in northern Utah. Listening to Broncostraining camp with Ryan and Ben. Life
is good. I listened to DaveAllen Ryan every night on my commute,
listen to BCT every day as well. Thanks for the great coverage, KWA
thank you. We really really appreciateit. Sitting by the pool here in
Miami, happy to have you bothin the background, I get some work
done. Thank you. Have youguys seen any famous old timers Elway Manning?
I think Elway was out here,Steve's here, Steve Attwater's here.

(26:07):
I saw him a little bit ago. I haven't seen too many now.
Granted the people are kind of justa chesney yeah here were people are just
kind of sort of arriving now.I mean, as the stretching period has
kind of ended and we're starting toget into doing a few drills here,
I think people have kind of caughtonto the timeframe, so they don't show
up, you know, as earlyas perhaps we did this morning at five

(26:29):
am, greeting all the fans waitingin line. If you you did,
I was still trying to sleep atthat time, even though I was not
very successful. I should probably wouldhave just joined you out here, yeah,
because I was struggling with that.But more than anything, more than
anything, I think there's a lotof interesting things happening with the wide receivers
that I want to spend some timeon with you. If you have questions

(26:49):
again, five six six nine zerosor ka comments for Health Texas. We
want to know what you want toknow. But the wide receiver group is
really fascinating. And I think thebiggest reason I say that is I don't
know where the delineation mark is goingto be because there's some guys on here
that might end up getting cut thatI'd ostensibly like to keep around somehow,

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like Brandon Johnson kind of gets forgotten, Jalen Virgil gets forgotten, guys that
we are at point point where like, hey man, I think this guy
is one of the top six.Both of those guys were in that conversation.
Jalen Virgil for his straight line speed, Brandon Johnson because of his big
catch ability, big big body guy. But you also have a lot of
big bodied wide receivers. So foryou, again only on day two,

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who would be your top six aswe sit here right now, Well,
I think we're universal on the bigfour. Let's start there, right because
you Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick,Marvin Mims, Josh Reynolds. That's a
big four, right that that's gonnabe unless one of those guys is hurt,
that's gonna be the first four.After that, This is when you
start getting the weeds, do yougo with the you know, the rookies
that you brought in. You hadTroy Franklin. Yeah, you can't cut

(27:56):
Troy Franklin trying to get him backon waivers. Well, I mean you
can. I don't know that you'llnecessarily be successful. Devon Valet, Uh,
you know again, he might beable to be a guy you wave
him through. I think the thingabout the practice squad now is because it's
so large and the way they havethe call up situation set up, making
the fifty three doesn't mean the samething anymore, doesn't have the same weight

(28:18):
to it. I wouldn't be surprisedsee a guy like little Jordan Humphrey that
I would normally say, under oldrules, would be a luck to make
this roster be a guy they putthrough to the practice squad and just keep
bringing him up, you know,and then spiff him with it. You
know. My guess is they rotatethe bottom of that. You keep six
or seven, and you rotate thebottom of that with the practice squad in
order to give everybody a fair shake, you know kind of thing. And
and it feels like that's a directionthat we're probably headed. Lucas Croll all

(28:41):
fired up out there, just bodychecked one of his coaches as he's doing
some air guitar. Was a Hallof Fame body check too. I mean,
absolutely clearly the best player out here. I actually, I'm I'm bullish
on this tight end group when healthy, a lot of potential here. If
frag Dulcis can stay healthy, Imean, you know, he is definitely
a mismatch out there. Provides moreathleticism. Krawl is a guy who showed

(29:03):
flashes last year, but you just, you know, you guy, you
gotta put it together this year.You know, you can't be the guy
who didn't box out on Russell's interceptionthe end of the game of Houston.
You can't be the guy dropped atouchdown in Detroit. You know, you
got to put it together this year. And so I believe that he'll have
the opportunity to do that. Evenmade Atkins has made a few plays out
here. It's more of an hback than a tight end, but he's
made a few plays out here,so it's there's there's depth there. Troutman

(29:27):
has limited as as a pass catcherand a route runner, but certainly as
an in line blocker does offer somethingas well. But that's why you brought
him back, because you need aguy. He's currently a top the depth
chart. Yeah, yeah, buthe should be right because he's most experienced
and he offers qualities of both.He's not elite at both, but he
offers qualities. I'm serviceable. Anotherguy back to the wide receiver for just

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a second. Michael Bandy had himselfa day yesterday. Yeah, that's Joe
Lombardy's guy. They were together therewith the Chargers. Brought him over here,
like he's probably a practice squad candidateas far as it goes, more
of a special team than anything.But he's he's had some moments with the
Broncos dating back to last year.Every once in a while, I have
a flash moment. You're like,Okay, I can see the potential.

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I see why you brought him overhere. Can he do this consistently enough
to buy himself out of the roster. I liked what they did with him
yesterday, and again we can't giveaway too many things, but they moved
him all over the place. Yeah, and I think a lot of these
guys are going to be now.Sean Payton offense has a traditional big body
X. So you go to seeCourtland and Tim you know, probably in
those roles, and then you'll wantkind of a burner on the Z on

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the back side, somebody like BarvinHims. Youre probably gonna see him back
there. But they do move thingsaround. They do move you know,
there are some guys that get movedaround a lot, and sometimes they'll move
those heavier guys into the salot alittle bit for different looks. But Michael
Bandy had a couple of moments inpreseason last year, right, Yeah,
I say he showed flashes for him, it's a back consistency play at that
high level all the time. Thenyou'll you'll find yourself on the roster.
He's got the sort of a WesWelker body type. And and I'm saying

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that he's white, yeah, yeah, guy quicker than fast, real coaches
son, blue collar. Yeah.But but I'm but honestly, like,
like you look at him and andyou're you're sort of watching him out there.
The way he gets open is hedoes a lot with quicks, right,
he does a lot with kind ofjust being just being available and and

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he's great after the catch, whichagain another trademark of Wes Welker. So
the reason I bringing that up ishe's he's unlike any other wide receiver out
here, Like I mean, wegot big body guys, we've got straight
line speed guys, and he's thequick guy. He's the guy that that
just sort of kind of small finds, finds opportunities and gets open. Once
again, if you're at the bottomof the wide receiver depth chart, you're

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you're a special teamer. I meanthat that's just what it is, right,
you just said it right there.You're not You're not If you're not
one of the top four guys whohas a dedicated spot, which we already
you just laid out who the topfour guys are, well, then what
what what's your role? You're you'regonna be a practice squad guy. An
injury would have to have a coupleof injuries would have to happen, and
then they'd have to say, Okay, well we liked what we saw in

(32:01):
training camp. We're gonna go aheadand continue to build around that. Right.
And that's I mean, that's thething. If you're if you're not
the guy with a carved out,established role, then you know, you're
gonna have to earn your way onwith special teams, and Mandy Betty would
have to contribute to that has youknow, a bit, but would have
to continue to contribute to that.I. I mean the only other guy
that kind of offers the skill setthat he has a bit like David Sills,

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you know, doesn't have great longspeed, but you know, quick
in the short area, sure handed, that kind of thing. You know.
Mims is a quick guy, buthe also has the long speed and
he's got the role carved out there. Like I said on the back side
of the Z, he's gonna play. Mims will play that role to Ted
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(33:07):
ever cleaner energy Hey, boys,I took the over of five and
a half wins for the Broncos.Agree. Yes, yeah, I believe
that this team will probably I thinksix wins is probably the floor. I
mean, unless you just have someunless cataclysm happens, six wins is probably
the floor. Six to nine isprobably their their meat. If the ball

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bounces the right way, maybe youget to ten or you know, something
even better than that. Nice,but it's six to nine. Yeah.
Any chance Drew sees playing time inNew York or is Jones good to go
to watch those highlights? Yesterday hewas out there slinging the ball. I
think there's a chance they're gonna giveDaniel Jones every opportunity just because of the
money. But they're not they're notmarried to that beyond this year. So

(33:50):
if he if he fails, Iwould not be surprised to see Drew get
a shot out there. Another questionPeyton said yesterday, it's possible the Broncos
keep three quarterbacks. What are yourthoughts on keeping three? I don't know.
Wouldn't be sprised at all. Iwould either, And it's so tough
because again we're talking about again wepractice squad call up rules. You can
do that. You know, youcan rotate receivers and running backs through the
practice squad. It kind of turnand burn that thing. So yeah,

(34:12):
I would probably do that, certainlyif you're only keeping two. It feels
like Bonick and Jared Didnam are thosetwo guys. Zach Wilson has a ways
to go if he's gonna put himselfin that conversation. Zach has the best
tools of the three, but he'sthe farthest from being ready to start.
Based on what we've seen so far, it's pretty obvious. And this and
is more than a couple of daysof training camp watching. This is all

(34:32):
off season watching. He looks likehe's behind. But the best hands game,
I will say, is watching themright here, right now. Jared
Stidham did a little dap bo Nicksdid the shoulder jump into Courtland Sutton,
and then Zach Wilson came out Itdid some kind of convoluted handshake. I
guess that he pre range, maybestudy the playbook a little more, the
handshakes a little lesser. Sean Vadenlike watching the film of this later,

(34:55):
He's like, this is Zach.He's got the clicker up there. Okay,
Wilson. You come see me inthe office real quick. Well,
so he got great form here,elbow angles good, here, you get
the d right, But it isyou little too light or small to the
last long term in the league.No, I don't agree with that.
I mean, you know, he'she's roughly the same size of Wark Done.
You know when all a saiden alittle lighter, but you know,

(35:16):
roughly the same size as wark Done. You know you can you can you
take care of the body, youget lucky with the injuries, you can
last. I think he's a littlelight to be a guy that you have
out there twenty times a game,especially when you get a past protection scenarios.
We all saw what happened to Phillindsay, yeah, you know who
had built all the talent athleticism inthe world. But there comes a point
where physics comes into play. Forcesmass times acceleration, and it comes to

(35:38):
the point where physics comes into play. Yeah, didn't think you we getting
education on the show. You lostme. We don't. We don't do
we don't do science. We dophysics on this show. We do physics
on this show. Ros Kamenski.Check you get the economics of the show.
Ross, good to see you.It's you man. He heard Journey
he had come running over. Yeah. Well, Ross notably a big soft
rock fan like arena rock. Firstof all, Journey is not soft rock.

(36:00):
It's arena rocks. Sir. Ithink Dave Teper's about to strangle you.
Well, it wouldn't be well theCarolina Panthers owner not are It would
be AWESO. Would never commit violentout undeserved lee. You gonna see Hagar
van Hagar van Hagar? Were theybetter with Hagar? No? No,
van Halen, not Van Hagar.I always think of love was that movie

(36:22):
Airheads, where like he's a cop. That's what I think every time I
think, Oh he's a cop,That's that's what that is. Oh my
goodness. All right, So,Sammy Hagar, have you been to a
Sammy Hagar concert before Ross? No? I haven't. No, and I
haven't been to Van Halen either,but I'm super excited. I think he's

(36:42):
supposed to be playing lots of VanHalen songs. Okay, are you guys
fans of Van Halen? Yeah?Is anyone not well? In sent He's
little watched Dave Matthews listening, Hey, listen you celebrate with the man's entire
catalog. From a musicality standpoint,I give you Dave Matthews over Van Halo
every single day. But you knowwhat get out of here different eras of

(37:06):
things. Plus you grew up inArkansas, when I guess they probably didn't
get Dave Matthews until like just now, so they read him out. You
sweet home Alabama. You guys,do you have a color TV down there
or is it? Look at itgetting there and they get those big boxy
contraptions black and white they built intothe credenza. Yeah. Well, Rassa
came out here on Saturday. Man, Oh my god. Well, when

(37:28):
I'm doing my show here, Ididn't get to watch very much true,
and I'm a huge fan, soand now I get to watch bone Nicks
I've never really seen for more thanthree seconds before, So it's awesome.
Do you have a rooting interest inwho wins the quarterback job, whoever can
win the most games for the Broncos? Smart man. But that's but listen,
that's not how every Broncos fan feels. Some Broncos fans think, as

(37:52):
long as you're developing bow, thewins are more of a conversation for next
year than they are this year.Okay, so you could say, a
right, whoever is gonna win themost games over three years instead of over
three weeks. But still, Ithink you got to kind of win now,
Emilio Estevez, the Mighty Ducks win, win, win. But I
don't I don't know that one ofthese guys is place. I don't know

(38:14):
that one of these guys is likelyto be much better now and then a
different guy much better later. Doyou think that's gonna happen? That is
the question. I mean, that'swhat they're gambling on here with drafting bon
Nicks and bringing in Zach Wilson.I think we kind of know what Chared
did it is. I mean,we kind of know what he is.
But these other two guys, youknow, would seem to have potential if

(38:36):
the question is whether the guy thatthey are and whether the guy they can
meet ever actually meet. But that'swhy Bonix makes the most sense to just
go ahead. If he's not gonnaget set back mentally, I don't want
to put him out there, David, but but he he has more college
starts than any other quarterback in thehistory of college football. So he's not

(38:59):
gonna beat guy like I would wouldcall him. Mind you call it?
Maybe he needs to call jokes.I mean he's asked for advice on how
to do that. He's the thirdage Well hold on, he's like the
second or third oldest quarterback ever tobe drafted. Yeah, I am kind
of calling the mold at twenty fouryears old. Do you think Zach Wilson
was brought in to play or toput pressure on Bonix to make him better,

(39:20):
because maybe thinking isn't good enough tothey broadly put that kind of pressure
on Bonicks. I think it wasso different they Broughady made a head of
drafting Bonicks. So my opinion onthis has always been that Sean Payton very
very much cares about his legacy andhe knows he's not getting the Hall of
Fame without getting a super Bowl withthe Broncos, which would be something,
know what the coach's ever done geta super Bowl two different teams. So
I think he brought him in asa reclamation project to kind of re up

(39:42):
his bona fides as a quarterback developer. Because everybody seeing Zach Wilson played the
last couple years, they'd know whathe uses. Plus you you got him
right before the draft, like lessthan a week, and you were when
working on it for a month accordingto George Peyton, but you got him
right before the draft because you didn'tknow how things were gonna fall. And
a lot of people say, wow, the Broncos took the sixth quarterback.
Well, they had him higher inthe but they didn't know if he was
gonna be there. I mean,we saw Michael Pennix Junior, who a

(40:04):
lot of people thought would go muchmuch later in the draft, go eighth
overall to Atlanta. Wild things happenedin the draft all the time, because
again there's so much smoke screen thattends to happen. So teams all of
a sudden they get in this placeand they're like, they fall in love
with the guy. That's why wehad Tim Tebow here. Nobody thought Tim
Tebow was gonna be a first roundquarterback. But Josh McDaniels fell in love
with Tim Tebow and suddenly he's afirst round quarterback. It only takes one

(40:25):
team. So when they brought inZach Wilson, it was aheadge. It
was like, hey, we don'thave enough with just Jerostidham here and we
don't know what we're gonna get attwelve, let alone later in the draft
they might have ended up with SpencerRattler, and that that's a possibility,
but again you just you never knowbecause have seen a run on seven quarterbacks
in the first round, and andto be honest, ross the way that

(40:47):
this is set up now is youcan do that. You can turn and
burden these quarterbacks that the CBA isset up in a way that it like
after a couple of years, ifyou don't think he's the guy, you
just go get it another quarterback.You don't mess around with it. You
don't keep you know, because thatwas the mistake that Broncos made with Paxton
Lynch is they kept him on theroster too long because they felt like they

(41:07):
had to. It is a sunkcost fallacy. But instead now the league
has gotten wise to that and said, you know, we don't have to
do that. If we don't thinkhe's the guy, maybe even one year
into his career, we'll just goback into the draft and get another guy.
These conversations are why I always say, you guys have forgotten more about
football than I'll ever know about football. That's why I have to listen to
you because I barely even know whatquestions to ask. But I appreciate your

(41:30):
including me in the country. Butyou do the same thing with politics and
world news. Like I'll listen toyour show and you're pulling stuff off the
top of your head. I assumeI know it's all research, but I
assume you just know that stuff becauseyou've been around it for so long.
So I think there's a there's aif if we switched roles and you had
to do this dedicated for a month. I guarantee you're sharp enough guy,

(41:51):
you just you'd figure it out.We do get an Emmy for that cocaine
shark segment yesterday, I would beuncredited. That was that was great?
Did you you know? I SoI went to the college that had the
worst record in college football ever.I think Northwestern surpassed Columbia eventually, but
in my year they won a gamemy freshman year, and they didn't win

(42:12):
a game any other year. Andif you were the year after me,
they didn't win a game any year, and they were so bad they invited
anybody to join the football team.So for a little while, I was
on Columbia football team as a widereceiver. Wow. And I'm and I
wasn't very good, only a fivet nine jew who played basketball in high
school, right, But I lovedit and it was the best thing I
did in all of college. AndI'm watching these guys like, what would

(42:35):
I give to be able to catcha ball like these guys have announce with
the athletics. These guys, Yeah, that's why when when I do the
Broncos post game, Broncos react.And I had this caller one time early
on in the season last year callin and he's like, these guys are
trash. This guy is trash.This guy is trash. And I let
him to finish his take and thenand then as soon as he hung up,
I said, we're not doing thatbecause you dude has ever played any

(43:00):
kind of professional sports, has nobusiness a calling another human being trash and
then be calling an elite athlete,the top one percent of the entire world
at their position trash. Did guysout of here that could sit in a
wheelchair and cover the guy that's callingin and saying, you know, these
are trash? And I'm like,you know, the worst player out here
is better than any colored player I'veever been standing next to you. You

(43:22):
just have to think. I mean, if you were just getting next to
Hall of Famer Steve I saw youknow he's menacing, isn't he. He
he wants you to believe he's asuper nice guy, and there are time
facade. Yeah, but he'll squareyou up, don't no mistake, he'll
square especially when people try to saythey could beat him in a foot race.
Is he still fast? Well,he's faster than one Ryan Q Edwards

(43:46):
here, did you race? Yeah? So I made a mistake one time,
Yeah, a big mistake. Andhe was he was complaining about his
knee and he was saying, oh, man, I got this knee issue,
and I'm like sandbagging. And Iwas like, I think I take
you now. I think I thinkI'm at a point in my life where
you know. It was like,you know, late thirties and he was
in his fifties, and I waslike, I think I could take you
now. Let's we should we shouldrace. We were at the combine,

(44:07):
heard old man's strength and old andhe back pedaled to the end of the
forty like he turned around and moonwalked his way in literally it was oh
my gosh, yeah, yeah itwas. It was super ugly. So
anyways, yes, Steve, Steveholds that over me. And again now
we're you know, we're a fewyears later. I'd like to do it
again. I was wearing bad shoesthat day, my bag, we're you

(44:31):
know, the the turf, well, we were running on on carpet,
so there's just so many things working. Again, he didn't have bull socks
on, you know. Obviously wedid get a wolf socks question in here.
If anybody's wearing wolf socks, absolutelynot. I am not wearing wolf
sox today, but that will bedonned here soon. We're getting close to
that time of year. If youhave maybe you have silver woven into the

(44:53):
threads. Once the once the pumpkinspice latte season begins, which is in
earnest late August, the wolf socksusually joined with it. That fits with
Dave Matthews, guy, all ofit. Yeah, don't act like you're
don't you known to eject jealous Justsay I'm jealousy so much style. How
many copies of Dave Matthews and Timalive at the Red Rocks did you burns?

(45:19):
Did you well I mean, howmany times did that CD wear out
on you? It never did becauseeventually they invented iPod and then I was
I was fine. I didn't haveto worry about any of that. You're
such a cher. The fact isis, like I wish I could argue
with you, it'd be like no. And you know you bought four copies
of that thing. Well I hadto get one autographed. And then we're

(45:43):
still up at the house. We'rewatching a drill right in front of us
here. Ros Kaminski is stopping byhere, which was very nice, Thank
you. Ross. We're watching adrill here, a little bit of low
red zone with the quarterbacks, runningbacks, receivers. One of the things
that I love about this drill,and and they not not just here in
the low red zone, but justin general, when they do these receiving
drills, they they have a ballcoming to every receiver. Anybody out in

(46:05):
a route it needs to be lookingfor the ball. And not every coach,
for what it's worth, not everycoach and coaching staff do it this
way. But what happens is theseguys go out and route, whether it's
the running back, the tied end, running wide receiver, they go out
and route and they have to turnaround and they have to run a Chris
Broute because you know what, andyou and I talked about this years ago.
Then if you don't do that,if you don't reemphasize that you're actually

(46:27):
running a meaningful route here, thenyou get lazy. You get body language
differences when you do it. Ifyou know you're not getting a ball,
you start get body language differences outthere and people can tell what you're doing.
So I like it. Plus Ialways I'm always a big fan of
practice. What you're gonna do ina game. Practice everything like you're gonna
do in the game. And soyou know you're going to be looking for
the ball in the game, belooking for the ball in practice. Make
sure you getting a ball in practice. Well, and again it's show how
you scramble in sevens And we didn'tsee that a couple of years ago with

(46:51):
Daniel Hackett just outlawed sevens because it'snot real football. Well again, you
know, even your bad coaches canhave good ideas. There's Lucas croll one
an elite catch, he dropped it. Well that was Stills. Yeah,
Stills did a foot ball came inaway late and he just like looked it

(47:13):
into his hands and then just dropit. Yeah. That that reminded me
of like a golfer when you likemiss a shot and you look down,
you're like three foot put you missed, Like the club rins out. You
look at the Yeah, you lookat the face of the potter and all
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(47:59):
fire ross. What do you think? All right? A little grungey for
me, but all right, whatmeans I'm old wha. This is This
is where I feel I'm got betweenthe two of you. Yeah, I'm
I'm so much older than you,like I know it doesn't look it,
but it's not like you're going inretirement home. Ross has gotta run back
to Sunset Pines. That's right,that's right. Green Day is like,

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that's new music for me, andfood Fighters really new. The earliest food
Fighters is new music. Still,So what do you? What do you
like? Listen? Like, ifyou're gonna give me a few bands besides
pet Hagar, Rush, Floyd Rush, the Canks, Geddy Lee's voice,
can't I just can't do it.Oh my gosh, dude. I paid
four hundred bucks a ticket for frontrow at Red Rocks to see Rush and

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was worth everything. I go seeit. You complained about Getty Lee's voice,
and you love Dave Matthews. Thisis a different conversation. Plus he's
Canadian. It's different. Okay,Anyways, continue what no classic rock?
I'm a classic rock guy. Ijust love the fact that I slipped the
pet Boom reference in there and nobodynoticed. No one didn't. Well that
even that's before me quite quite.Yeah, I I ignore at least seventy

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five percent of the things you seelike Pat Boone, Uh, not really
a little. I mean he didhe did hesitate? There didn't, Yeah
he did. There's a story andI'll tell it off the ear. Is
Tim Patrick healthy? Yeah? Yeah, he looks like he's good to go.
Yeah, he looks like he's goodto go. We're gonna have Jeremy
Fowler swinging by here in just amatter of moments from no, yeah he

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has Espen. You're right, hehas Espen, twenty four hour sports network
that will never work. Yeah,So we'll have a Jeremy Fowler swinging by.
We'll get his thoughts. I mean, it's fascinating to talk to national
media when it comes to the Broncosbecause most of them are just so down
about the prospects this year. Whatdo you think? Where's your optimism level
at Ross? I'm I'm naively optimisticevery year. This guy's blue an orange

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on yeah orange. Yeah. Youknow you're not supposed to wear the shirt
of the band that you're gonna gosee, But I uh, I'm hopeful,
what can I say? And Ilike the I like the distinct possibility
that we're going to start with ayoung quarterback instead of an ancient quarterback for
the first time and sometimes and Ifeel kind of good about that. Yeah,

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And even if it seems like wedon't know, there's a lot of
uncertainty around it, but I likeit. Sean. Sean likes it too.
For what it's worth, he likeshe likes that this is uh,
this is open and he gets achance to really, I think you said
it perfectly earlier, Ben, hegets a chance to show the rest of
the league that he is that guy, he is that that quarterback developer.
Well, he sort of had thatreputation, but then it's kind of pivoted
on him now, you know,and later on in the career where but

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he says, you know, earlieron it was Sean Payton making Breeze,
but now everybody says it's Breeze thatmade Peyton. So he's got to go
out re establish that reputation. Sotoday, based on the order we saw
yesterday, I'm guessing it's gonna bewhat do you think, Stidham first team
or Nicks. Well, we hadWilson yesterday, so yeah, he won't
be I guess is it'll be Steadaybecause Nix was the day before. Yeah,

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they've been in a rotation and Iwould like to see in a perfect
world you narrow it down to twoquarterbacks late next week that are taking the
reps like you're you're alternating between thetwo. All right, we're gonna take
a quick break again. We arelive from Broncos Park powered by Common Spirit.
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powered by Common Spirit, Ryan Edwards, Benjamin o Aal Brighten and we're thrilled
to be joined here on set aswe're watching practice underway right now with by
Jeremy Fowler from ESPN. Jeremy,thanks so much for the time, man.
How are you hey? Thanks guys, appreciate you having me. Yeah,
taking the time man, I lovethe I got the Broncos color.
Hey went in Denver. Yeah,you gotta get sit and booted. It's
been warm, but hey overcast now, so good good stuff. All right,

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let's let's jump right into it.Man. What are your expectations here
of the Broncos? And I thinkfrom a national perspective, it seems pretty
tepid based on the way they've constructedthis roster. But I think the other
way possibly look at it is maybethey're just a lot of unproven but just
potential that may not get there.Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the middle
there. It's probably why I'm hereto just kind of check them out firsthand.
You know, like on paper,they don't have a lot of blue

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chip players, you know outside ofPatrick's Artan, but it seems like there's
a lot of good depth and they'regood on the offensive defensive line, a
lot of money allocated there, soyou're always gonna be competitive. He can
do that and run the football,which you know, at least talking to
some people run here. It seemslike the running backs are pretty high on
so you know who's gonna merge aslike receiver depth behind Courtland Sudden is there
like a hidden star there somewhere.I think you probably need that good second

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guy. Is it Marvin Mims orwho is it? So I'm curious to
kind of see that. You know, so right now I've had to forecast
he'd probably consider in the middle ofthe pack team I would I would guess,
you know, just based on theroster is constructed. But certainly there's
room for whether it's Bo Nicks orsomebody else to emerge here. Year two
of Sean Payton is they continue tobuild this thing out, and the biggest
question mark for everybody's obviously gonna bequarterback. I mean, you move on

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from Russell Wilson, you got JaredStidham, kind of a journeyman guy.
You got Zach Wilson, who Iguess at this point you kind of have
to call him a journeyman even thoughyou know it's two teams, and then
you got the rookie and Bone Nicks. None of these guys have really separated
themselves thus far. National pundits andthe betting odds seem to think that bo
Nicks as the first round pick,is going to be the job, get
the job. But what does itsay if he doesn't you know, if

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Jared Stidham is starting this year andBonix isn't quite ready, does that say
something bad about Bonnicks the Broncos scoutingprocess or is it all just hey,
this is part of the growth process. I think it would be part of
the growth process because Sean Payton wantssecurity at the quarterback position. Somebody's gonna
make good decisions a lot of time. That lends itself to a veteran being
in that spot, you know.So Stidham's a safe bet, right,

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He's a safe player, not gonnamake a ton of mistakes, probably not
gonna be overly prolific, but youcan control the ball and try to win
games that way. So it reallydepends on probably an organizational structure too,
like do we want to wait alittle bit, let him grow behind the
scenes for a year, do wewant to throw him right in? You
know, the Vikings are obviously takingthe stance where Sam Darnold's gonna start.
They feel like there's some untapped potentialthere and then you can wait on JJ

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McCarthy. So it seems like comingout of the Spring that Nicks just at
least showed enough that he's sort ofcrafted in the image of Sean Payton,
right, decisive, accurate, athleticlike he has those things. I'm guessing
when you get into camp, thenext few weeks might not be all that
smooth for him because you were thefirst team offense, second team offense.
You're in different scenarios. They're puttingyou in tough spots, probably on purpose

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by design. So if he canget through that and get to that first
preseason game and be in a goodspot, I think his chances are pretty
strong. Jeremy Fowler joining us hereas we're live from Broncos Park Power by
Common Spirit for day two of Broncostraining camp. What's your general thought on
starting rookie quarterbacks. He's a caseby case based on how they're learning.

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Do you have a mindset based onwhat we've seen historically? In most cases
they do need to play. Butthat's the I always go back to,
we've seen that backfire and you sawit was Eg Wilson here. Yeah,
and you see with a lot ofplayers now sometimes when you talk to teams,
they hint at the fact that you'regoing to be able to weed that

(55:25):
player out earlier where he might looklike a bust and maybe we rushed him
out there, but also we justwanted to see and get confirmation one way
or the other quicker than to haveto wait two years and then he's still
not good enough. Right. Butyou know, everybody uses the Jordan Love
example, and it's it didn't work. Not just it worked because it's Green
Bay and they have a structure,but also there were times in like year

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two when he was behind the scenesand practices and he was not looking very
good two years in and then allof a sudden, he's the richest quarterback
in the NFL. There's still somethingto be said for guys getting if they
can get it, you know,like there's so many benefits. It's just
I don't know, you have tobe able to win games and have a
structure to do that while you wait, and the teams they don't have it.
They have to play the quarterback.So it is case by case that

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way. Yeah, I think that'sthat's the interesting thing to me, because
you know, the Jordan Love thingis probably the best case study. You
got a guy who's sitting behind fora few years, and even after he
starts, you're still not sure.Halfway to the first season, you're kind
of like, well, and thenyou know it turns it on. So
to me, I think that locally, people who are clamoring and saying a
Bonix doesn't win the job week one, he's a bust. I think that
narrative is just bumped. Yeah,for sure. I mean, Zach Wilson's

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got talent. I know he mightbe the odd man out, but he's
in a positive environment for maybe thefirst time in his career. Maybe he
can salvage something and turn into becausethe talent is obviously there. And Jared
Stidham's a quarterback that got some guaranteedmoney last year. That perked me up
a little bit when I saw that. When Russell Wilson's alread in place,
I'm like, Okay, this guy'sprobably gonna play. I remember here Sean
Payton talk at the Owner's Meetings intwenty twenty three about Jared's Didhim and was

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glowing in his review of Jared's Didam. That told me something. I don't
think that was disingenuous, you know. So he clearly believes that if Stidham
was a starter, you can winsome games. Now there might be a
ceiling, but it wouldn't shock meif Stidham was the guy, you know,
if I had to bet, Ithink Nix is. I think he'll
end up doing enough, you know, but I could see the logic either

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way. What's the national perspective onSean Payton coming back to the NFL last
year and what he still has maybeleft in the tank? Is he is
he still seen as one of thebest offensive minds in the league with all
this young up and coming talent.Yes, he will always have that.
And you even saw it last year, right, I don't. I don't
think they were loaded on offense necessarily, and he had Russell Wilson coming off

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just a dreadful year. And eventhough they had to bench him, like
I thought, he was pretty goodin spots like they they made it work.
He was pretty efficient, or aboutas efficient as you could get for
where he was in his career.And I do think that's a big part
due to Sewan. So by default, your floor for your all is always

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going to be pretty solid, youknow. So because of that, he
still has that reputation. You know, it's hard to say anybody's better than
you read right now because the SuperBowls and what he's done. Certainly Peyton's
on that short list, but youstill got to prove that you can come
in and build a roster. Idon't want to say from scratch, but
he had to sort of build itin his image year one and bring it
along and do that in a hurrylike that's no slam dunk. And there's

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still some unknowns there based on howthings ended in New Orleans where you didn't
maybe have the best stability and youwere kind of hovering in that eight to
nine, nine and eight range.Sorry for the concert speaker right next to
your ear, But now I thinkI want to pivot here to the defense
a little bit because I think we'regonna see something different Denver. I think
we're going to see a return towhat Denver is more traditionally known for,
something that is more a kid towhat Wade Phillips, you know, brought

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to the table. Vance Joseph isa Wadehillips disciple. Last year we saw
continuity. We saw they were stilltrying to continue the vic fangio at Gerald
Rivero, you know, kind oftight front, dropping everybody back, middle
of the field, open, lotof quarters match stuff. Vance is more
a cover one guy. You know, it's more a lot more man and
a lot more send to the kitchensink. You look at the personnel they
brought in, big bodies up frontto tap blockers, had to commitment to

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the edge rush of the draft inallis a more aggressive defense. Is that
benefit this Broncos team. I thinkso, especially if you have what you
need up front. You know,they bring in like a John Franklin,
Myers, Zach Allen, DJ Jones. That's a pretty good front three there
that you can at least work withto buy time for the cornerbacks to play
that way, and teams are gonnastay away from Patrick's artan or try to

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at least. It's funny. Iwas talking to somebody like his stats last
year as like the nearest defender werenot great, But I think that's he
probably wasn't always the nearest defender.It's just the way the scheme was.
And they have him probably round theball off because he's really good and you
get labeled for those yards. ButI think for the most part, if
you're in man and teams are goingto try to stay away from him,
which helps the other guys, theyshould be able to have enough to handle

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that, but you know, lookingat the depth, char is still some
question marks. That Levi Wallace isolder, you relying on him to be
a starter at this point. Youknow, it looks like Kayden Stearns's,
which is good, but not likea signature pass rusher and get some good
young guys. But yeah, Iworry there a little bit, you know,
if you have enough on third down, especially third and long to be
able to get the sack team.Last couple questions here for you, Jeremy

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Fowler joining us here, what ifyou make of the last I don't know,
twenty four or so hours with thequarterback deals that got handed out with
Jordan Love and to a tongue ofMailoa. Yeah, you know, we've
seen the kind of an interesting thingbecause there was the Daniel Jones contract.
We've seen some mid tier quarterback contracts. I didn't know if Tua or or

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even Jordan Love because they haven't performedlong enough at a high level if they
were gonna get near top of market. But their teams went ahead and just
did it anyway. So what'd youthink about it? Yeah? You know,
the two A deal came in aboutwhere I thought, you know,
I got this sense Miami was spookedby some of the deals like Jared Goff
and Trevor Lawrence, so they weren'tgonna go top top of market. But

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he led the league in passing andplayed seventeen games and shot. He was
durable like you had to be inthe fifties. So I think the concession
to a god is he got afour year deal. Now, the agency
Athletes First represents two of Jordan Loveand Dak Prescott, so they clearly had
a strategy here, Let's get twoon the board that will come over the
top. With Jordan Love, whoisn't as accomplished as to it, but

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his ceiling is higher, and Ithink that's pretty clear for people watching him
what he can do with his armstrength and his mobility. And then Dak
can say having to back cleanup andI'll come over the top here, you
know, and oh yeah, nicemoney if you can get it. The
Jordan Love things sort of, Imean, we knew it was coming,
but it sort of surprised me alittle bit because I'm like, man,
this guy put together one half ofone football season. It was good.
Don't get me wrong, it wasgood. But at the same time,

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I've seen Nick Foles put together halfa football season before. This could potentially
set the Packers back. If betGamble is wrong, yeah for sure,
but it's partly what they were seeing. Like year three, he started to
click and practice like he was puttingit together a little more. And then
even though he got a slow startof the year, they had a ton
of young young gu height ends andreceivers that they were gelling with and now

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it's all coming together. They gotsome young talents the good so and plus
it's the Green Bay model. Ithink they feel like they probably had to
overpay a little bit to keep thatin check. There was pressure on the
GM Brian Goodikins to get this donewhen the Aaron Rodgers situation was so ugly
for years. I think that waspart of it, maybe an underrated part,
because they this is the GM's guy, so he wanted to make sure
this was done to sort of validateand stamp his draft. All right,

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last one here for you, Jeremy, and really appreciate the time. By
the way, the reason why allof a sudden kidney chesney is like being
blasted here through the headphones is becauseSean Payton. He got everybody up in
a huddle and Kenny Chesney came intothe huddle and like met just now just
now, so like yeah, Imean, what a kind of interesting quirk
to the practice so far. Andthen now they're back working on some seven

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on seven. I think Levi Wallacejust picked off Bo Nicks in the end
zone, so that's something. Yeah, just just overall perspective of Yeah,
I want to go to the kickkick return for a moment they get the
kick off, But how how evolutionarydo you think that's going to be this
year? Well, we still needto see it, but it's gonna be

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entertaining. Yeah, I think justjust from the experimental standpoint, you know,
like if you're Denver, you gottadraft pick like Marvin mim is probably
a good option there. You know, you can experiment a little bit.
Players that normally wouldn't be out there, but they can be creative and improvised.
They're gonna be uh accentuated there theirskill set. So I'm excited to
see maybe some bigger names be backthere than you normally see and bring some

(01:03:30):
excitement that way. But it's Idon't know, it could be quirky.
We still gotta kind of see howit shakes out. You heard about this
justin Fields kick return stuff up therein Pittsburgh. You're putting any weight in
that, Probably not? Probably not. I think that would be kind of
a low blow to him, youknow what I mean, Like just let
him play quarterback. Jeremy, thankyou so much of the time. Enjoy
your time in Denver. Good luckat your next stop on your account tour.

(01:03:52):
Really appreciated man, keep the greatwork. Thanks guys, appreciate it.
SE's appreciate it. Jeremy Fowler joiningus here. And you can whenever
you you sit here listen to theshow, or you can take off the
headset whatever you want to do.Probably use it as his earplayer. Plus
here the Rocos turned down the musicas soon as yeah, that's what it
was. They wanted to make surethat we had the d m c A
copyright stuff in the back. Likeas soon as we wrap up the interview,

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they just like, okay, that'sgood. Yeah, what is that.
John's over there, he's got aspot watching you talk. He said,
listen to Dave Matthews. We're notdoing it. We're not doing any
of the Dave Matthews stuff around here. We got Kenny Chesney. It's a
direct response to your day. Man. I'm telling you that the crowd would
be thumping right now. Somebody forDave Matthews. Yeah, he's got bangers
for days. Yeah did you saybangers? How old are you? I
didn't even like that I said it. Actually, that's for what it's worth,

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all right again, bonus, justthrough the first interception of camp,
does that mean anything to you?Is just as a wheel route, you
gotta make mistakes. I mean,you got you gotta You got a rookie
quarterback out there. You gotta whatyou want to see how he bounces back
from stuff like that. This isthe time to get stuff like that out.
It's gonna happen. You want itto happen. You don't want it
to keep appting, but you dowant it to happen. And so I
think you know, getting the opportunityto see, uh see, okay,
he threw it interset here. Whatmistake did you make on this play?

(01:05:00):
Did you put a ball out thereyou shouldn't put out there? Do you
put in a place you should haveput it? You know? What was
the read here? Do you notread the coverage correctly? Whatever this gives
you. So this gives you teachtape where you can get in there,
get the clicker on well, inthis case would be Monday. You get
you get the clicker on Monday.You're up there, all right. Next
here we go, we're looking atthis play here, what'd you see here?
What'd you in figuring out? Andthen taking that out to the practice
field and making sure he applies itto the next rep. Meanwhile, Zach

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Wilson hit Troy Franklin for a twentyeight yard touchdown with Tremont Smith and coverage,
and then Jarret Stidham hit Cortland Suttonin the back of the end zone
for twelve yard touchdowns. So we'rewatching out of the competition out Yeah,
I mean, just clearly. Butyou know, I will say I will
say that that that tends to happen. You know, you get certain media
members out here for one day ofpractice and you draw these massive conclusions while

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bon nicks through Again, it's sortof like box score scouting right BONEX through
an interception, the other two quarterbacksthrough touchdowns. It's very clear who's ahead
in this competition, which is justabsolute nonsense. Well, yeah, I
mean as far as the competition goes. Based on my observations dating back to
body of work, I would sayit's Jared's Didham, then bon Nicks,
then Zach Wilson, and I wouldsay there's nothing to change any of that

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so far. We'll see once thePats gets out there and you get to
that first game, that's when youreally start to formalize kind of a you
know, Okay, this is wherewe are with this. This is where
this guy can win. This guymaybe you know it needs a little more
seasoning. We got to put thisone back, this turkey back in the
oven for another hour. It's notdone yet, you know that kind of
thing. So I caution against snapjudgments at this juncture, but I would

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say that if you if you hadto, if you're cutting camp right now,
jared'sida would be your starter. Iknow you hate me for it.
Well, hate is a strong word, and I think it's appropriate loathe.
I brought my Thosaurus with me.I just you know, you keep pounding
this drum, and I know wewant bon Nicks to earn it. I
don't there's a sense here where Iwant Bonnick to win. I went the

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Broncos to have an exciting quarterback andbe a fun football team to cover and
all that kind of stuff. ButI also have to be realistic. They're
not an exciting team with Jared'sidam,it's not. It's just and I sort
of agree with that. It's it'sgonna be the the Teddy Bridgewater year,
you know, and in that regard, But at the same time, who
gives you the best chance to winis s who Sean Payton's gonna role out
there right now? That is clearallyJerse Jeremy Fowler said something a moment ago,

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and I think that's exactly why thisis great. They run some sprints
here, you have Bo Nicks,you had Zach Wilson and Alex Singleton beat
the other two. Yeah, het bowed it. It was good job.
Man got to outpace everybody. That'sgreat. Make everybody look bad.
No, Yeah, he said somethingthat I think is an appropriate way to

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frame why the national media may bea little bit down on the Broncos right
now because he said it. Theydon't have a lot of blue chip names.
And again, I I totally understandthat if you were outside looking in,
you're like, I mean, Courtland'ssun got ten touchdowns. Now,
I'm telling you it feels a littlelazy, and I'm not that's not him.
I'm directly directing that. I'm sayingin general, that is is how

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I viewed most of the breakdowns ofthe Broncos this offseason. As again,
there's no these are the same peoplethat missed on the Detroit Lions for the
same reason Detroit Lions didn't have abunch of blue chip names. You know,
like at the end of the day, I mean, and this is
Sean loves to invoke. The DetroitLions is the you know, is the
learning curve here for the Denver Broncos. You know, it takes the right
people, the right personnel coming togetherget the job done. And now the

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Lions have guys that are blue chipnames because of their success, not because
they were doing anything different on thefield. What do you think about that,
BK, Well, that may bethe case in some spots, but
I'm on Ross. Saint Brown's atop five ish receiver, top eight.
Jared goff was the number one pick. He maybe hasn't, but the Rams
got rid of him because he wasGoffl. Yeah, he's just Goffle.

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And then Detroit, right, sometimesone man's trash is actually another man's treasure.
Sometimes just another man's trash. Butthey just gave Jared Goff a boatload
of money. He's no to atongue of by LOI guess with the money
to Jordan Love just got all JaredGoff did was get the NFC title game.
But uh, his contract is Iguess just not. And he's older.
I'm kind of with Ryan though.I just don't see how bo Nicks

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isn't the starter week one, barringa catastrophe. Now, you mentioned Zach
Wilson's pass to Treymont Smith, andwe's got a chance to talk to Randy
Gratishard and we're gonna have that upon our KA social channels. A week
out from his Hall of Fame,Treymont was in Troy Franklin over over Tremont.
Sorry, I'm not sure Treymon's onthis team. If everyone's he just

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said he's the starting kick returner,could be, I'll take the field.
But uh then the next pass orone or two passes later, and you're
again you're in seven on seven.Even on the on the goal line,
he threw to nobody like it wasn'ta bad throw that sailed a guy that

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maybe the receiver went the wrong wayor Zach just read it wrong. I
mean it didn't hit. There wasyou know, the secondary and some coaches,
then family, and it just literallywent to no one. And you're
gonna have that with with Zach,this inconsistency. We're like because he played
football before. Yeah, but afterthe and the throw Troy was the right
read a little wobbly Pitton Manning style, but I mean it got there right

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on the money, and Traymond lookeda little lost, and then he made
a good throw on an out thatwould have set up fourth and goal on
the two. What are some otherthings you've noticed in practice so far?
Again our vantage over here. We'rethere once again on the far field next
to the fans, which again nicefor the fans you come out here,
you get a great, great viewof practice. But for the media who's

(01:10:23):
standing along the wall or over wherewe're at, we usually have a blockade
of players, what have you noticed? Well? The tempo? And it
is funny because we always ask aboutthe fans, right there's these stock questions
we have to ask every your hey, how excited ready for the fans?
But it does change the energy.And I was surprised at the tempo Wednesday
and Thursday, but then not surprisednow with fans here the last two days,

(01:10:45):
we're actually getting to see some kickoffreturn drills, which is going to
be I think, pretty fascinating towatch. And it looked like I think
you're gonna see running backs back there. But that was I guess that was
Tyler Baty's cornerback who had the ballin his hand is running back. He's
a kid from uh yeah, babyWatson, I think will be back there.
Yeah right, baby, I readretail. Yeah, because I had

(01:11:08):
a baby from stupid misery. Uhthat school in Columbium wherever. Uh,
I understand that's the Jayhawk fan oldhabits, die hard fair. But I
think you're gonna running backs and whiteoutsback there. I'm not saying that corners
that can't return, I just don't. I mean, is Tremont Smith you're
keeping a seventh corner well, Imean you can practice squad and call him
up if you have to as well. I just think he's he makes if

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he makes his team, he makesit. He's a kick returner, you
know, an emergency half back.He's played the position before, always playing
corner. Now, well you saidBlake Watson. That's Watson that is more
interesting if he's healthy. Watson probablyor McLoughlin and Mimes, although you want,
I don't know, Mims a kickreturn. I'd use him on punts,
I wouldn't use him more kicks.Well, it's gonna be fascinating to
see because your impact is just notgoing to be even what it used to

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be with the momentum. I mean, neither the nine blockers or the you
know, the ten I guess tacklersaren't. The kicker can go until the
ball's caught, right, so it'snot like they can backpedal and have the
moment. So they're all going tokind of be running. And that's where
if you just got your fastest,best returners, I think you find you

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can scheme it up and hit acouple of blocks. Because you're stopping and
you you're in your close motion likethat. You need somebody that's explosive,
like a quick cut, explosive,one step, you know, long speed
kind of guy. I think isprobably what you're gonna do. You're not
gonna do. Does McLoughlin fit intothat, Yeah, I mean, yeah,
but I'm not sure you want towaste him on that. I mean,
maybe you do, Blake Watson,you know, Yeah, Mims is

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not somebody I think you put inthe sense that you want to get hurt
on those guys. Sure where youcan wave off the punts, you know,
and all that so well, andI think people are always they always
assume that kicks and punts at thesame level of injury. As long as
you make the gun or miss,which happens more times than not, there's
nowhere near the collision on punt returnsthat there is that there was the wedges
and all that. Yeah, allthe stuff you used to have right on

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kickoff. But then what's funny iswe know that and the Broncos will be
hind on this list because of SeanPayton and Mike west Hoff trying to you
know, I don't say show everyonehow smart they are, but that to
some degree you have the most defensivecoaches. They just went, just kick
the ball through the end zone andlet's play defense, like let let's not
get I guess I'm saying from akickstandpoint, not from return standpoint. And

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obviously the Broncos play depending on yeareight or nine games at home. Use
that as an I mean, thekickers can kick it out of every end
zone unless the weather's crazy, buthere every time. So don't overthink it.
When you're kicking the ball. You'vejust scored some sort of points,
except it they've started the game inthe start of the half. Just go
play defense. You know they didthat against say the Raiders. They probably
win that game because they were atouchdowns scored when they started at midfield and

(01:13:35):
touchdowns were hard to come by.In that opener, Brandon Gristal joining us
here for a couple of moments.You can listen to him on CMN as
well as again, you're gonna beout at Canon next week, which,
yeah, aw, some really coolstuff to want to get you on KAE
Sports in Broncos Country tonight. What'sthe strongest unit out here for the Broncos?
And what's the week is the oneyou have the most questions about?

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I guess you have to say thestrongest unit in se O line? Right?
You got three? Were really fourguys got and paid because Garrett got
his deal a couple of years ago, not as much as he would probably
like right now when he looks athis three teammates, but when you've got
four entrench starters on a group,that's that pivotal. Obviously center is a
big question mark. But whomever thecenter is will have their life made easier

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by the stability around him, andso I think that's highest on the list.
Why dout is interesting. The depththere is the most interesting. Trying
to parse through and pick the sixor seven guys if they're all healthy,
is I think a really strong union. And then the defensive line by adding
Malcolm Roach and JFM, got better, especially if DJ Jones buys into being

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knows when he's asked to play nos, which will be plenty and we'll see
how that goes. But they shouldbe stout against the run. And then
I guess kicker right, well,Will Latts was pretty solid last year with
the weakest group safety because it's justunproven, right. I mean, Brandon
Jones we've seen in spots, buthe had a hard time always between either
health and or just a bit ofa traffic jam in Miami. PJ.

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Lock we've seen flo of when he'sbeen healthy, but he you know,
hasn't played as much as I thinkwe're pretending that he has and so even
though you've got pats er Tan tokind of settle things down and you like
where mc millan is. I justthe question marked. They're not knowing if
and when Caden sterns ever gets back. They like what Jael Skinner is.
So I'm nervous there. And thenI guess running back is also really deep

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and that's going to be anyone likethey could mix and match. I don't
think Tyler Baby makes a team.But of their top five guys, you
hit Watson in there, all fiveof them plus Burton going back to the
kickoff thing real quick to return.Do you the place? No? But
I was just thinking about do youhave a blocker? Do you have a
blocker? So do you keep Burtonin as your other back or you know,

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have them They won't let us outhere to see the kickff Stuffferent teams
are trying different things. Some guysare putting a guy back there that could
be a blocker as well. Someguys are going with too speedy, you
know, trying to do misdirection andstuff. Because if you have if you
have a blocker, if you haveBurton, now they need to kick it
to the side where you can,but you run a sweep or you know
he's up. Even if you're runningalmost like power where these guys are pulling

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or whatever, it's gonna be.It's gonna be fascinating. But uh,
I wonder if we're making a lotabout it and they're gonna be you know,
it's too hard to try to placekit Let's just kick it out of
the inside well and you place itat the thirty, right. Yeah,
but you'd still rather say, Okay, fine, it's the thirty. You
have to think about it because ifwe miss one versus the un You know
how NFL coaches are, Yeah,to their own detriment, they'll take the
known variable over the unknown. Oh, I don't know, man, you

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guys are You're not giving coaches enoughcredit for their ego. I think I
think you have Mike west Off hereand the Broncos believe that they have an
edge with him in the building alongwith Ben Kowika. I think they they
view this as a way that theycan they can change the margins in their
favor. Like they think they theywill be one of the better special teams

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units in the league. And theywere better. They were improved last year.
No question about it. So ifyou're that group, you're probably looking
at this as an opportunity to shrinkyour margins. You can look at it
like that. I just want tosee it in real time, right in
practice. I mean, I said, like in a game, let's see,
can you actually have an advantage orare you putting your defense at a
disadvantage because you tried to place itinside the landing zone, which is between

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the twenty and the and the goalline, and if it hits in there
and and then rolls into the endzone, you get a touchback. But
even if these guys are kicking youknow, rocket liners, and if our
returners can still get there, andthen you're looking for two blocks because of
the way this is set up,versus just kick it out of bounds and

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let our defense get after the quarterback. I might start squib kicking because if
it rolls out of bounds too,then it's at the forty forty five or
whatever, right one if the landsshort of the twenty is with the forty.
So yeah, you have to youhave to mind your p's and q's.
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Spirit Heal text line Please keep sittingin your questions or your comments. Been
a fun show so far. Icertainly enjoyed having Brandon Cristal a moment ago,
Jeremy on earlier, Roskamenski swung bythe ten. Here bone Nicks out

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there working with the two's during ared zone period, and again I like
what I'm seeing from bon Nicks ingeneral. I know that he threw the
first interception of training camp. Onceagain, you and I usually are on
the same page of this. Thatstuff doesn't matter too much. You want
to be a learning experience, andI think that there will be for him.

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But he doesn't seem to have thehappy feed That's one thing that I
noticed with bone Nicks. He seemsa lot more calm in the pocket and
not for me. Is an encouragingsign early on for him, Yeah,
I would say that's that's sort ofone of his strengths. He does want
to get the ball out quickly.He doesn't get in time to develop happy
feet or any of that kind ofstuff. That could be a blessing and
a curse, you know, inthis offense, because it is designed to

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get the ball out quick that's goingto help him out. You know,
if you were in some of theif you were in a Bruce Arians offense,
that might be a problem. Butyou know, I think that this
offense is uniquely designed for what itis that he brings to the table.
The question is how quickly can heassimilate every aspect of it and have a
fluency and a command of it andand be able to go out there and
direct it at a level that thecoaches believe is gonna win the football games.

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So right now we've seen it lookpretty good. And uh, you
know in this nice in this redzone drill, nice little over the shoulder
bucket throw there for the touchdown ofthe running back, Camante coming on a
swing pass out of the backfield.Wheel swing pass out of the backfield.
So oh what a time. Imean, now, it's beautiful touch on
that thing. That was a greatcatch too by Javante. Yeah, who's

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also back put it where only Javantecould get it. So that's good.
That's a good sign, and it'snice to see him. If this ends
up being one of the last drillsof the day for full team, that'd
be a nice way to end things, especially since he had the interception earlier.
I think he probably want Uh,an opportunity to to sort of battle
back, especially with the other twoquarterbacks throwing touchdowns. Once again, there's

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so much more that goes into this, and I think it's an appropriate way
to frame it that what we seeout here at practice isn't always the entire
picture, because they have what's goingon inside the building during meetings, during
during other practices that we don't getprevy to. So it's important to know
a lot of the media breakdown,including ours, is a bit limited.

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Yeah. Uh, you know,we only get to see what we get
to see, you know. Uh, So that's it. That is uh,
that is a disadvantage a little bit. But you know, we can
kind of sort of get a picturebased on what they're doing out of here,
and as we get Zach Wilson geta chance to get out there,
row what the threes looks like andrun the same drill that that bo was
just running. It is interesting.I mean, the crowd has a rooting
interest. The fans have a rootinginterest with the bo Nix, right.

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You can hear it when both throwsa touchdown, ers cheers when the other
guys do. It's crickets and soyou know, that's you know, the
fans clearly want somebody that they thinkthey can bank off for the future.
Zach Wilson, did he catch that? He look like you threw it out
the back of the ind So,but maybe that receiver came down with it.
I uh, I did come downwith it. I I tend to

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think that, you know, whoever'sthe best for the job should be who
the fans are rooting for. Butit feels like fans have been on the
copy paste veteran replacement for so longthat they want the young guy that's homegrown.
They can believe him well, andthat's that's it. I mean,
he represents well, you know,he's gonna eventually start right, and he
represents your best shot at a franchisequarterback. And you're again, you've been

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crawling through the desert for so manyyears looking for a franchise quarterback. You've
tried, I mean basically everything,with the exception of drafting a first round
quarterback. That's the one thing thatyou haven't done as a team since Pastilllynch.
So I can see why the fanswould be excited about it. I
know you can too. Well,yeah, and I'm not begrudging them that.
I just you know, it kindof feels like that when when some
of these other guys are performing well, it's not the same level of enthusiasm

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from the fan base. I thinkyou you know, if you're a Broncos
fan, you're rooting for the teamto do well, right, not not
just individual players, well, yesand no, but your your chance to
dig out of mediocrity, your chanceto dig out of the basement of the
AFC West is finding the right quarterback, right. I don't think that the
necessarily rooting against, Although rooting againstJared Sidham, I think part of that
is because you keep pumping him up. I'm not pumping anything. I mean,

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he's he's in first right now,but that doesn't mean anything. He
should be in first. You know, he's a guy who's got a year's
experience in this offense, your experiencewith these players, most of them,
So you know, I don't thinkme saying what it's fairly obvious out here
that he's you know, he's infirst right now, is pumping him up.
I mean it's it's it's sort ofa body of work kind of thing.

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And you know, like I said, we'll get to the we'll get
to a preseason game, but we'llget a chance to really kind of see
in game action, you know,what's going on with this stuff. But
and then the pads are coming onMonday too. That'll that'll kind of help
separate the men from the boys.A little bit, very excited about that.
I want to see the D line, who again has got a lot
of wins early on. I wantto see the D line versus the O
line, see some of the blocking, and I love one of my favorite
drills in camp is when the padscome on and you gets a chance to

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do some one on ones, andyou know, those compete opportunities are are
all very good, and you onlyget to do those when the pads are
on to see who gets a chanceto win those. So there's there's opportunities
for that. There's opportunities obviously outthere to see more from the running game,
which we you and I are bothbullshan We both think that there's a
lot of talent in the running backroom. They certainly have talent on the

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offensive line. They built to bea running team. So we'll get a
chance to see if they're gonna they'regonna work on more of those running concepts
once the pads come on on Monday. Yeah, And and when you don't
have the pads on, when you'rein those those kinds of things, it
tends to favor the smaller, quicker, faster, you know, running backs.
When you get the pads on,then the power guys get a chance
to show what they can do.And so guys like Davante and Samaja,

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who admittedly have already had good gooddays on our guestimate the same, I'm
gonna get a chance to kind ofshow out where everybody you know is kind
of on the Julia McLoughlin Camp Darlingkind of thing. So today we're seeing
a little more life from the offensemore than yesterday. Yes, more than
yesterday, And that response is important, I'd say in general, I mean,
based on some of the reads I'mgetting from media that are out here,

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they still think the defense has hadthe better of the day. But
I've seen a lot more complete today. You said it earlier the first segment
of the show that you want tosee the ball not hit the ground as
much, and I think we haveseen that today. Yeah, for the
most part, I've seen a fewdrops and our advantage point here was limited
for a little while. But I'mkind of adjusted and I can kind of
see a little bit better and Igot I think we got a special team

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session. That one more team session. We're done today, but I haven't
seen it hit the ground as much. It does look like a bit more
efficient. Yesterday was frankly a prettypoor day. It was, you know,
so it's nice to it's nice tosort of have a little bit better
day for the fans to kind ofsort of see some fireworks a little bit
here and there, whether it's touchdowns, whether it's interceptions, whatever, you
know, kind of seeing that andgoing from there. I like that.

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You know, we talk about theinterception here and people are going to freak
out about it and whatever, butI liked it. It happened. Good.
Good. You got the first oneout of the way. Now you
got an opportunity to get there,put the tape on, and get a
chance to kind of see where Imade that mistake and how to clean that
up, you know. And that'sthat's the part. That's growth. That's
the part of being a rookie thatyou know, you really have to invest

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heavily in because mistakes or growth opportunities, right, Yes, how else you
gonna learn? Yeah, and you'regonna really get a chance to see what
media are kind of paying attention tothe ebbs and flows of training camp versus
the ones that are gonna be outhere for one snap decision. Well,
bon nicks through an interception, sohe's equates to not being very good.
But the fact is is he maynot throw an interceptions in the rest of

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the camp, or maybe he throwsa handful of interceptions for the rest of
the camp. It's kind of howhe learns and how he changes. I
did enjoy boon Nick's this offseason becauseit felt like he was learning, like
it felt like he wasn't making thesame mistakes twice and again, we don't
get a chance to be privy toall the meetings, privy to what they're
asking him to do. And thereare some designed plays out here, there's

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some designed sequences where they just wantto test these guys and see what they're
capable of both sides of the ball, Like, Hey, we're gonna throw
this, look at you, whatdo you respond? How are you gonna
respond? And then we'll go andsee the compete from there. What I've
noticed with is it seems like we'renot seeing the same things over and over
again. He's not. He's nottrying to sort of slam his proverbial head

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against the wall doing the same mistakeand hoping that we'll have a different outcome.
Where sometimes with young quarterbacks, andI point to Drew Locke as an
example of this, uh, hewould just he'd have these regression days where
you're just like, what what isgoing on? What happened to you?
You were really good yesterday, andthen the very next day it just it
just seems like you're doing all thewrong things again, and it's unexplainable.

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Well, I think in that case, I think with Drew's case specifically,
that it was there was an overcoaching element. Sure, you know,
I see that they're there. Withwith any quarterback, you sort of have
to what got them to where theyare, what made them successful. You
sort of have to harness that andthen figure out from there what what you
can tweak. You know, youdon't want to rework somebody entirely from the
ground up, because what they didis what got him there, you know,

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And that's the reason, Like forinstance, the Chargers when Phil Rivers
was drafted. Yeah, he hadthat that weird three quarter throwing motion and
they just did not They were notinterested in changing that because this is what
made you successful at inc State,you know, So we're gonna we're gonna
roll with this and we'll work aroundit. And you know, yeah,
it led to some bad passes overhis career and all that, but you
know, he Phil Rivers was alsoa you know, pretty highly successful quarterback

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over the course of his career withbo Nix. I mean, there's some
things about him that made him successfulat the collegiate game, and that part
of that was that get it outquick mentality. So you're gonna have to
there's some things on offense you're gonnahave to do to kind of you know,
Okay, we're gonna harness this.These are the things that he does,
these are the things he does well. We're gonna challenge him with some
things he doesn't do well and seeif he can grow into that. But
at the same time, you don'twant to make that the focal point of

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your offense and try to completely changewhat it is that he's good. Don't
you want him in this offense gettingthe ball of fat But prefer that over
the other, which is Oh,by the way, it really depends.
I mean, I understand, andpeople are gonna hate on Russ, that's
whatever, But you know, Russis a hang on to a guy,
try to try to hang in thereand make a play. And you know,
it worked for us Russell Willison hasworked his whole career. It even

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worked. I mean, if you'remaking enough plays, the amount of sack
you take is irrelevant. If youmake enough touchdowns, the amount of interceptions
you throw is irrelevant. But ifyou don't, then it's not and so
and so. That's that's sort ofthe thing. I think it's six to
one a half dozen the other.You know, you get a guy who's
inefficient distribute to the ball, doesn'ttake negative plays. Okay, The question
for a lot of people is,and this sounds lopsided, would you rather

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have Pat Mahomes or Alex Smith?You know, and most people are gonna
jump on the Mahomes thing, butI would caution I would I would watch
it everybody that the Cansa City Chiefswere the number one offense in the NFL.
With Alex Smith, they ran itdifferently as a guy who got it
out, quick, efficient, allthat kind of stuff. Mahomes is,
you know, an old world quarterback, and perhaps not the best comparison,
but you get the idea. Thearchetype is different. A guy who hangs
in there, has the athleticism,makes to play the deep ball versus a

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guy who's just efficient with it,you know, and that kind of dink
and dunk kind of thing. Youcan win both ways. By the way,
moments ago they were running sort ofa half boot drill with the quarterbacks.
Yeah, it's quarter boot net drill. Yeah, where they're trying to
hit the net and true to form, Zach Wilson just widely missing it every
single time. And bow Nick's threadedin there nicely. To be fair,
Zach did put one in the bucketover here. They got a far bucket.

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You can't see it the bucket.He was the only one to put
one in the bucket there. Butyeah, he missed the net on the
on the three hole. He Imean again, arm talent undeniable. I
mean, he's slung it. It'sa question of consistency. Can you harness
that? You know? You yousee twelve good throws from him, You're
like, all right, how canwe harness this and not have the other
twenty eight you know bad ones thatwe just saw five six six nine zeros

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are Kowe Commons Spirit Health text lineif you want to send us any questions,
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up on both Broncos Country tonight aswell as KO Sports podcast page after the

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show. I think Ben was ahead coach. I think if Ben was
a head coach, he would dinkand dunk because throughout the years he touched
the quarterbacks who throw three yards ina cloud of dust. I was Drew
Lock guy in the Bridgewater conversation.Yeah, I guess at the dink and
dunk guy, you know, Imean, I can be there is something

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to be said for efficiency, nottaking negative plays and all that kind of
stuff. I think it's it's reallyjust the personnel you have and try to
cater to that. In this particularcase, this offense probably will be a
bit dink and done. We dida year of Teddy Bridgewater. I think
I think we're good. I thinkyou're about to see a lot of that.
Well, I mean to be fair, right Bo Nicks in the quote

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unquote dink and dunk Offensive Oregon,right that, I mean, that's that's
kind of how the ball in yourplaymaker's hands, that's how they that's how
they got and then that's what happenswhen you get the ball off fast.
But it only matters if you're inmanageable situations. Right, Well, that
that's sort of the thing. Andand you know, Jeremy Fowler was on
talking about playing conservative football and youknow, and that kind of stuff to
play. The problem playing coin flipfootball is you get coin flip results.

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That's what I said when Vic Fangiowas here, remember, yeah, And
and you can't play the style ofdefense that they played under Vic and play
coin flip football because if you needa stop or a turnover at the end
of the game, you're not gonnaget it. It's a ben don't break
defense. They're gonna they're gonna runit down on you. So if you're
playing the style we're going to playnow, then you can do that.
And this is going to be theantithesis of that when you see what Vance
Joseph is running this year, whereit's less of what Vic was running and

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more of what Vance traditionally runs andmore of what Wade Phillips kind of ran.
An attacking defense, you can play. You can play coin flip football
if you've got an attacking defense.Ben and Ryan, y'all are absolute rock
stars. Thanks for all you do, HK and Moscow, thank you very
much for listening. Appreciate that.Hi guys, good to have camp and
you guys back, keep up thegreat work. Who's going to win the

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cornerback job opposite number two? Patzerten? That's from Doug. That's a
good question. I mean, obviouslyJakwon is going to be the slot guy.
We may see him out wide aswell sometimes, but I think they
generally want to keep him in theslot. You know, you go to
see a lot of We talked aboutthis earlier, heavy nickel rotations from Vance
Joseph, meaning three safeties on thefield more often than than you know,
maybe maybe necessarily a three corners.Levi Wallace is the experience. He's a

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sure handed guy, a lot ofpicks and you know, has the experience,
the more mathis probably has the mostathleticism out of all of them.
But you know, Riley Moss lookpretty good when he was out there too.
That rotation is going to be interestingto see. It's going to be
fun to see how that shakes out. If I had to put money on
it, I'd probably put money onLevi Wallace, but you know, I
want to see the pads on beforeI make any judgment calls there. There's
a rotation there right to me eitherway. I mean, you're you're talking

(01:33:17):
about who's starting, though, andI think i'd put Levi Mollis if we're
starting today. With that conversation,He've had several PBUs yesterday during practice and
then today had an interception. Imean, that's what you want here,
That's why you brought him in here. Remember they brought we Levi Wallace in
what was it, right before thedraft, like literally a couple of days
before the draft because they didn't knowwhat they were going to end up with.

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And Rilly Moss is the guy thattrade back into the third round last
year, so he's with the regimethat drafted him. If I was going
to bet, I'd say Rally Mossis going to have a bigger role this
year than some expect well, andyou might see a rotation. You might
see it between the twenties corner likeMathis and Moss, where they've got better
long speed versus you get in thered zone where it's not as necessary to
Levi Wallace, who's more instinctive butmaybe doesn't quite have the long speed anymore,

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gets rotated in. So you mightsee situational football and those kinds of
things. And that would make aton of sense, right, because you
want that athleticism between twenties right right. You want guys that can stay in
the hip pocket of some of thesereceivers because these cornerbacks are gona get targeted
a lot with Patser Tan on oneside. And it was fascinating listening to
him talk yesterday because he was saidSean has said it. He said that
the expectation is he's got he's gotmore consistent of more ball productivity this year.

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They want to get some turnovers,Uh, set up some turnover for
pass Tan? What does that evenlook like? Really? If they're not
targeting him? How how difficult Imean in trail technique or I mean there's
only so many different ways you canget him opportunities at the ball without maybe
making some mistakes on the back end, especially now that you don't have Justin
Simmons here. Well, yeah,are you blitz from his side? You
try to create scenarios because if you'vegot let's say you've got Jaquan and and

(01:34:51):
Patser Tanne on the same side,right, you know what, it's jakwan
Now the quarterbacks thinking the blitz iscoming from this side, I got to
put it up. Well, thatputs the ball, that's a that's a
forced throw in at So those kindsof things, that's how you create that.
Okay, yeah, that could makethat. You can do some bracket
type stuff. You can do somesome two deep man under type stuff to
kind of help him give him anopportunity to make a play on the ball.
But you can't sit in two deepman under, so of course not

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of course not all right, Sothey're on the far field here for end
of the far field doing it lookslike another red zone team drill a lot
of red zone today. I actuallythink you do that in front of fans
though, because he's an opportunity toscore touchdowns. And it excites fans.
But you do that also, likeyou know, one thing, and I
remember Nathaniel Hackett did a lot ofred zone too, and then like for
all the things you hate about NathanielHackett and the Nathaniel Hackett era, they

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spent a lot of time working onred zone because that was supposed to be
his specialty. Now they were terriblein it. That that you know,
I don't know if that's completely equating, but I do love extra reps,
specifically in the red zone. Ithink that that's a good because that that's
really the money, right, Imean that that's where between twenty touchdowns,
that's the difference because it takes threefield goals to be the touchdown. Not

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to them. There's a lot ofteams that can move the ball with between
the twenties, right, A lotof teams can can get either chunk plays
or din conduct their way down thefield. But once you once things locked
down, the field gets compressed,it becomes much more difficult to find success.
And this is where I want tosee some of these young quarterbacks,
specifically Nix and Wilson, see seewhat they do, see what what the
opportunities presented themselves. Earlier there wasan interception thrown by bon Nicks when he

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was trying to hit Doulcich on awheel route, and then later on he
hits Javonte and a wheel route andit was a beautiful it was perfectly layered
throw and put it where only hisreceiver could get to it. And I
think he just hit another wheel fora touchdown on the far field bon Nicks
did. I can't see who itwas though, But again, getting the

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ball out fast, would you bein favor of if you do decide to
go with bone Nicks. And againI'm not trying to clamp him down now,
but a let's let's let's work onhalf field reads and and try to
and try to pick up yards ifit's not there, because they don't want
to get him into the habit ofdoing that. No, we're gonna it's

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early. I mean it's early inhis career. No, we don't.
We we practice how we're gonna play. Not we're not scaling things back to
get that guy on the field,and so we're not putt him in bad
habits. We're not having him readhalf a field, you know, to
do that kind of stuff. We'rerunning our offense and he's capable to do
it or not, well, well, we'll see. I I tend you
get into an in game situation andmaybe you know once or twice you're trying

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to pull that. But I justdon't see a scenario where a head coach
is saying, hey, look,I've got this developmental guy. I want
to put him in some bad habitsbecause I think those bad habits will win
us games for now and I don'tthink later. I think I don't think
you're You're a glass half empty guy. I say more glass half full is
I want to build his confidence towhere we get to the rest of it.
It's understanding that that sometimes people doneed a little bit of training whels.

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I don't even think he needs itnecessarily. I'm just saying, like
I want to asking if you areopen to the possibility, and I think
that that's a more possibility. Anothertouchdown here from bow Nicks to Greg dulcig.
How about that pass that was beautiful. What I'm when I'm talking about
here is getting him some confidence.I'm talking about getting him, getting him
out there, and you sort ofcontinue to bring him along. You and

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I might differ from this because theway I view it is, there's absolutely
no way Sean Payton is gonna letthis guy look bad or lost out there
on the field. His legacy ison the line. If bo Nix is
gonna be the starting, yes,he earned it, but it's earned with
an understanding that Sean Payton is gonnabe the training wheels for him, which
again is kind of Sean mcvah andJered Goff. I mean, not exactly

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that where you're feeding him to playright before and telling him he only look
here, this is the open guy. But honestly, if he does that,
I'm not upset about it. Well, I mean, you may see
stuff like that, I guess,but the reality is, if you win
the job, then you feel likehe's got a capability of winning football games,
and you're running what he's comfortable with. You just you just you know,
you've labbed that through preseason games andtraining camp, and so you know

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what he's comfortable with, what he'snot comfortable with, and you go from
there. I think you can.There are ways to build on that as
far as that goes, but I'mnot I'm not coming up with predetermined half
field reds and all that kind ofstuff that how you get a guy into
bad habits that you're trying to gethim out of. Okay, all right,
we we we disagree a little biton that fundamentally, but I understand
where you're coming from, and Idon't want to get into a semantics discussion

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here for me, I want towait, Way, did him on the
stop route? It was Nick's onthe sideline of Brandon Johnson? Okay,
I was talking about the touchdown ofGreg Dultage. That was after that.
That was the two plays before that, though we were seeing it was bo
Nicks. One of them wast thethe other one was no Bonnicks. Okay,
all right, well, yeah,I know Nicks through to two touchdowns

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or Landon Johnson went a touchdowns outof bounds. Oh oh okay, well
yeah, you gotta you gotta specifythere. I thought you were talking about
tw different things. Okay, souh yeah, So to two red zone
touchdowns there from bo Nix, whichyou know, one one was to Somaji
p Ryan, one was too Dulcich. We saw earlier with Javonte. Again,
like you said, you know,for for the fans, maybe a
little bit you're running as an extrared zone here, but I'd go the

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other side of it. After arough, rough day for the offense.
I love the idea of instilling someconfidence in the offensive side of the ball.
Yeah, I mean, you know, and you're you're practicing something that
we talked about as being vital.You know, as far as it goes
anyway, I do. But iffans want to see touchdowns, you know,
we can put practice, throw sometouchdowns and be good and still get

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reps at something we need to practiceanyway. So but you know, on
the other side of that, andwe saw it here on one Saturday practice,
as you often point out, whenthey were trying to set Teddy Bridgewater
up for a day like this,and it blew up in their face,
and it face they absolutely they wantedthey didn't want Drew locked to even be
in the competition, but he keptcoming out winning days. So they decided
they were going set Teddy Bridgewater upfor a win. They had the end
zone down there right in front ofthe fans. They could see it,

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and they were running red zone andDrew throwing the long balls and then Teddy
coming up to throw the red zone. He threw four interceptions that day and
it was just all downhill. Ohit was brutal. I mean it was
absolutely brutalfal, brutal to watfle brutiful. Yeah, sorry, the first time
still a little bit, a littlebit late in the morning. For me.
It was brutal to watch for forTeddy Bridgewater in that that case,

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because he supposed to be the guy'scareful, he's supposed to be the guy
that you can rely on not tomake those bad choices, and he was
forcing the issue. And so itdoesn't always work out where you're running red
zone and it's a good day,that's my point, and today is a
good day, I think ultimately forthe offense, bo Nix now hits with
three touchdowns during team drills, andwe've seen him be very surgical during seven
on seven. He's been good atthat. That hasn't been a problem for

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him so far. But the teamdrills, when you have rushers, you
have people coming at you. AndI'm not saying he has happy feet,
but I'm just saying that he's beena little more inconsistent. Well, I
think if you shown bait and you'rehappy that he threw the touchdown, he
threw the interception earlier and he's comingback throwing touchdowns. Now you know,
it's not stuck in his psyche.He doesn't didn't go down a rabbit hole.
I made a mistake and get miiredin the quicksand you know all that

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kind of stuff. So I thinkthat's your big takeaway here. I don't
know, you know, when thepads come on Monday, and then we'll
get a better pulse, a betterbetter view of this. But overall,
I think that's got to be anoptimistic ender there. If you threw a
pick and then your rookie came backand threw a touchdowns, so well,
they just blew the double horns.So that wraps up today's practice. As
we mentioned earlier, they are offtomorrow and then they're going to be back

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at it on the practice field inpads on Monday. That is open to
the That is open to the fans, but it's also a situation where you've
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