08-04-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright here with

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you short show edition post Rockies. Those of you heard
me earlier on KAI Sports with Dave and Ryan just uh,
We're gonna get Ryan in here in the next segment,
go a little bit over what we saw at there
at camp today and get his thoughts on that. I'll
obviously give you give you mine as well. I think,

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you know, I think that, as I tweeted out earlier,
the defense is obviously well ahead of the offense at
this point in camp. But I don't want people to
mistake that for we should panic the offense sucks that
kind of stuff. Like you know, these these preconceived or
pre dialed up narratives that people get themselves into, I
think are part of the problem with how this team

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is covered and a good coverage in general. The offense
has struggled at times thus far in camp. I don't
you know, I don't think they are bad. I just
think that they're not at the level that the defense is.
And and that's that I'm interested to see over the
next few weeks of camp how they continue to install
grow and uh and work on that and and where

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they go from there. But I'm not gonna sit here
and just feel, you know, rave about UH an offense
that's knocking it out of the park when they aren't.
That's that's not what's going on. I think there are
there are things and pieces to like. UH certainly seen
Veley Sutton make some great catches. Ingram hads a spacing

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concept that they lacked last year with guys like Troutman,
you know, mostly playing tight end. I think, uh, you know,
our R. J. Harvey looks looks pretty explosive. He's gonna
have to get the the pass pro thing down though,
like the JK. Dobbins is going to start this season,
is RB one on the depth chart, uh, simply by
virtue of the fact that that he's a three hundred

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and sixty degree running back, meaning that he can run,
he can catch, and he can pass pro. And that's
you know, with Harvey, that was the concern, you know,
when you when you drive the guy that's that's his
size and and he's not small, he's just squatty. You know,
whether or not that guy could hold up UH, and
and how much pass pro he's had to do, which

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was not very much. Whether or not you know, and
how quickly he's going to be able to learn that.
And so that's in terms of what's holding him back
at this point. It's not you know, it's not ability.
It's it's not you know, he stinks as a running
back or any of those kinds of things. And I've
certainly seen some some dumb takes out there. It really

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is our Jay's ability to do pass protect at this point,
and he'll get there. He's a willing pass protector. He's
just he's not really ever had to had to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
And so that's that's sort of the thing, is, you know,
getting the technique down, understanding exactly you know, why you
have to do certain things or how to do certain things,
and uh, as he continues to learn that, that's that's
gonna be the thing, you know, for him overall. I

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you know, the running back room, if you're looking at
it from a fantasy football perspective, it's gonna be pretty muddy.
I mean, JK. Dobbins is going to get the lion's
share of the early snaps, but it's a pretty muddy
room in terms of the fact that you're probably going
to have a rotation between Dobbins Harvey, a sprinkling of

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Julia McLoughlin and and Somader Guestimy in there as well.
And I don't know that any of them are what
I would call fantasy football viable. You know, I think
Dobbins and Harvey will get drafted, but uh in fantasy
football leagues. But if you're if you're looking at it
from that perspective, I'm not sure either one of those
guys is somebody you could count on week to week

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for for fantasy football production. Evan Ingram is going to
be getting the lion's share of what we're gonna we'll
call it the tight end snaps. Although he doesn't really
play a tight end. He very rarely is attached to
the line, very rarely is on the line. Everything I
see out there has him, you know, off the line

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and and away from the formation. Uh, he's a receiver
playing tight end, you know, playing something called tight end.
But he's he's a receiver. Similar the way they used
to use Jimmy Graham, you know when when he was
there in New Orleans. Uh, the way he used to
you know, use him as more of an off the
line why and uh and do stuff there so that
that'll be a thing. And Ingram uh like I like

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I talked about a few weeks ago, Ingram is a
guy that is getting most of his snaps between the twenties, uh,
most of his targets between the twenties. With that work.
Does that change as we go along? Who knows. But
he's never been a red zone guy before. Doesn't mean
he can't be one now, but he just hasn't been
one before. And that's sort of what we're seeing. We're
seeing out there so far. The defensive side of things,

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the d lin is getting the better of the of
the O line, which is interesting because you've got a
lot of highly paid players on that offensive line, between
Minords and McGlinchey, Bulls and Powers, those four guys are
getting paid, and Wattenburg of course on the rookie deal.
Those guys are getting paid. And when you're getting paid
that much money, there is an expectation there. Whether that's

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just a dominance by very very good defensive line, whether
that is something that the offensive line's got to get
squared away little too many throws I think where Bow
has had pressure in his face and was trying to
get risks up off his back foot and so that's
one thing that I love the idea of this offense

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practicing against a great defense because of you know that
all the cliches, iron sharpens iron, all that stuff. But
I love the idea because I think, you know, it
makes things easier for you when you're playing against lesser defenses.
That said, the main thing that I don't want is
for Bownicks to get into bad habits because he's trying
to bail himself out against this great defense a little

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too often. Because you know, what you practice being is
what you become, right, uh, and so if you're if
they're getting to you too quick and you're practicing throwing
off your back foot, well that that you're going to
start to become that. So that that is my one,
you know, little tiny caveat of concern with all that.
In terms of the jet chart, there's nobody close to bow.
In terms of quarterbacking, Stidham will be the backup and
Alingers is the project. I don't think they'll keep three

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quarterbacks on the roster this year. Ailinger will probably be
affect practice squad guy. When Ell said and done. In
terms of the running backs right now, uh, Dobbins is
clearly in the lead. RJ. Harvey would be two. McLoughlin
would be three. Estimated be four. And then you know
the other guy's fighting it out there on the wide
receiver front. Sutton's the X. Mims is the z uh
Vle's kind of wide receiver. Three plays all over. Uh.

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Franklin uh has kind of pushed for for some time,
and he he plays the z uh split some snaps
with with Marvin Mims. Mims is clearly ahead of him,
but uh, there's been some some splita snaps there as
far as that kind of stuff goes. And after that,
Briton Sherfield round out the receivers at five and six.
Sherfield obviously has special teams, you know, ability as well,

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and so those are the guys that are gonna make, Uh,
they'll make the fifty three. Now, might they keep another receiver? Maybe?
I don't think so. I think that, uh, you know,
looking at the way that that this thing is shaken out,
I think they're gonna have two receivers on the practice squad,
you know, when when all said and done. But I

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don't believe you're gonna have a situation where you carry
seven receivers. This year, especially with the injuries that they've
had at an inside backer, so that would be it
would be Sutton, mems Val, Franklin, Bryant Sherfield. And then
maybe you're keeping Jawan Newton or Jauquin Davis, maybe Courtney Jackson.

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You're probably keeping two receivers. I don't think Kyrie Rowland
or Michael Bandy or At Parry. I don't think those
guys are. They're not in danger of making the fifty three.
I don't think unless Bandy gets kept around, because you
know he's Lombardy's guy, that they'll make the the roster.
On the offense, you already know the offensive line, you know,
left to right, it's it's Bulls, Powers, Wattenberg, Minors, McGlinchey. Uh.

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In terms of the backups, we've seen Forsyth Powshewski both
get uh, you know, getting reps. You know, Pert obviously,
I don't think he hears some people talking about Frank
Crumb or Clay Webb. Those guys are have been really
a third teamers and I don't think they're making the team.
Probably practice squad guys, if if anything at all. And

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then the tight end room, you know Ingram listed as
a tight end, and you know, we make the joke
about the heavy slot, but that's what he plays. Adam Troutman,
h Nate Atkins gonna make this team. Kroll uh And
and Priest Corn. I don't think either one of them
or in danger making the team. Loner probably makes the team,
maybe practice squad as a developmental guy. And that's that's

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pretty much how the offense looks. I mean, Burton's the
fullback if he's kept around. If not, Adkins will do
We'll do double duty there. On the defensive side, well,
you already know the D line, you know, Zach Allen,
DJ Jones and John Franklin Myers, Malcolm Roach has been
getting some run Savon Jones as well. They may they
probably keep one other one. But the question is who's

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that gonna be. Whether that's it was a Rique at Henningsen,
Jordan Jackson, who knows, but that's you know, there's five
that are for sure, and then everybody's kind of fighting
for that last spot there from the edge rush, you know,
John Cooper and Nick Benito be the starters, Joan Ellis
and Andrea Tillman or the backups there Kew Robinson of

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course drafted and play special teams. That's probably all you keep.
I don't think Farmer or Nelson are going to end
up making the squad. Maybe they make. Maybe one of
them lands on the practice squad. On the inside, UH,
Dre green Law Alex Singleton will be the starters. Sternad
right now has been the primary backup, but Lavelle Bailey
has really kind of turned some heads, and that's one
to keep your eye on. A strong enough preseason performance

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probably puts him in a good spot, especially with Drew
Anders out due to UH due to injury, So keeping
your eye on sternad leavel Bailey after that. I don't
think Kareine Reed or JB. Brown or Garrett Waller or
Jordan Turner I do. I don't think any of those
guys are necessarily in danger of making the team. UH.
The DB's one of the most talented secondaries in in football.

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Pats are tan uh. You know. Obviously Riley Moss is
the is the second corner and Jade Baron is the
h as the nickel.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
UH.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Their backups right now have been an interesting sort of fight.
Abram's drain, I would say is probably CEB four. UH.
Dabari Mathis and and ja Quan mcmillion are the the
others mcmillion playing out of the nickel. Uh. I don't
think any of the other corners beyond them are making
the team. Quentin Newsome, Josh Piggott, you know, Rhyse Taylor
or Jane Robins soon. I think any of those guys

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are are making the team. I just I just don't. Uh.
In terms of the safeties, Brandon Jones and Have Fog
are gonna be the starter's uh. Pj Locke and Devin
Keye have really been kind of the backups.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
We've seen some run out of Sam Franklin Junior and
with and I would say that Turner Yell and Jail
Skinner have got a long way to go, you know,
to being able to to making this team. Guys that
previously they had high hopes for. But I think they've
got a ways to go in terms of securing a
spot on this team. That's a non a non practice

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squad spot. So there you go. That's that's the initial
depth chart of the Denver Broncos uh from me personally,
and you know you'll see you'll see how that shakes out.
I'm really looking forward again to see these guys against
the uh, the Niners this coming weekend. And by the way,
if you guys want to hang out, you'll have to
forgive me. My voice is sort of cracking. I've been

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sick and doing double duty, so my voice is kind
of given out, so I apologize. But if you guys
want to hang out Saturday night at burn Down, that's
where we're gonna be myself, Nick Ferguson, and that's where
we're gonna be all year for all the away games
for the Broncos, so we'll get a chance to watch
preseason action against the ny Ers. Come hang out with
myself and Nick it burned Down, UH Saturday night. The

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game kicks off at eight thirty UH, And obviously we're
looking forward to to doing that all year and having
those out theas. It's a really cool bar. If you guys
haven't seen, it's like a four story bar. You got
a rooftop thing you can go look at. They've got
a like this mini deck in the middle thing in
a regular bar at the Bought. It's it's a really
fun place. So looking forward to that for you guys
this year. Come hang out with us at Burned down

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the shoots over on Broadway, So if you need to
need to look that up real quick. Touching on some
stuff around the league. If I were you guys, and
you're you're into wagering the way that I am, I
would betting the unders on Minnesota Vikings games early, just
just based on some stuff conversations I've had out of there.
It's not quite coming together on offense just as quick

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as they'd wanted with JJ McCarthy. So something to keep
your eye on with that Cleveland where you've got like
a five way race for quarterback and that's been a
been a merry go round. Another injury today, third round
pick Dylan Gabriel, this time Head coach Kevin Stefanski told
reporters that Gabriel was limited in Monday's practice because he's

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dealing with tightness in his hamstring. Can he Picket was
limited due to a hamstring injury, you know. Shdoor Sanders
today was set to work in full after being slowed
by a sore arm over the weekend. I texted somebody
there and it was a legit thing. That was legit
arm soreness. Joe Flacco is the only one who seems

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to have not dealt with an injury at any point
this summer and is in the lead for the quarterback
job there in Cleveland, for whatever that's worth. But that is, that's,
that's just you know, an interesting situation because the coaching
staff clearly wants dealing Gabriel, the front office, uh clearly
want shud Or Sanders, and Joe Flacco is a thousand

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years old and winning the job right now with duty
injuries and and not you know, and play from from
everybody else. Uh, thus far so interesting to watch that.
And you know obviously that that our friend Shelby Harris
is you know, he's on that defense over there. And

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that's that's certainly something to to keep your eye on.
Is the brown situation is as it moves along, and
that the amount of injury I guess that they've had
is certainly telling, I guess in the in the Browns
quarterback competition. The last couple of minutes before we bring

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Ryan Edwards in and get a chance to talk to
him about what he saw at there camp today, I
didn't want to talk about the interim executive director of
the nfl P A. Lloyd Howel's out and they opted
to hire the guy who finished second to him, David White. White.

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I don't I don't even know how to how to
put this, but it's it's unknown when or if the
Board of Player Reps became aware that White was even
a candidate before it was time to cast ballots. And
it seems like most people didn't know that he was
up for the job because a there weren't too many

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leaks about him getting out there, and be a lot
of the vetting that went wrong with Lloyd Howell seems
to have gone wrong with David White. Even a simple
Google search would have found that. Back in June eleventh
of twenty fifteen, an article on Deadline dot Com began

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with this paragraph, and I'm quoting here quote, saga After
a National Executive director David White recently misled the union's
Board of Directors about the union's attempts to whitewash an
open secret, which was director Amy Berg's explosive documentary about
sexual abuse of child actors in Hollywood. He misled the
board about the union's threat to sue her and the
film's producers. End quote. The issue arose from a Deadline

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report that sag After threatened to sue Amy Burg unless
you removed all references to the union from the film.
The union had said in a statement he did not
threaten to sue Berg and that it did not try
to suppress information regarding it. Berg disagreed, telling Deadline quote,
I felt sag after he used legal threats to sanitize
the film. She also provided a copy of the letter
from sagafter his outside council, the copy of which has

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been said to White. The first question I guess is
did the NFLPA Executive Committee and or the Board of
Player Reps know about this issue in twenty twenty three?
The second issue did they discuss it before they hired
White on Sunday? And the third questions is if they
knew about it, why was he not disqualified? So this
is going to be something that's we're going to keep
our eye on going forward. But the NFLPA situation has

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been an absolute mess, and I'm really I'm hoping that
they find someone better than White to rep them going forward.
Broncos Countries and I back with Ryan Edwards after this
Welcome back to It, Broncos Country Tonight, Short Show Post
Rockies edition and a bit all right here with You
And as promised, the OG triple og right Edwards in

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studio the one and only managed to get him. I
had to go through your people, but you know, it's
always good talking with Shirana and them and getting you
out on the air.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah. Man, I'm excited to be here with you. Had
a good time on Saturday, and then of course you're
going to be filling in a lot on KO Sports
this week, so we're excited about that.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Got to fill in today, get to filling tomorrow, be
doing additional filling stuff with you and Dave and always
love doing that kind of stuff. We were we were
out at camp today, training camp as we as we do,
and I wanted to get your observations. I still think
the defense clearly ahead of the offense. Again, that's not
a slide on the offense or anything like that, but
it's I mean, the defense is clearly ahead of the
offense at this point. What are we hoping to see

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as we transition towards joint practices in our first preseason
game in San Francisco? What are we hoping to see
out of that Saturday night at eight point thirty right
here on KA.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, again, it sounds like to Sean he is going
to have a lot of players out there, so even
for the game, So I don't know what that looks like.
I'm sure he'll give us some more perspective. You know, Hey,
if I want the starters out there, and this is Sean,
if I want the starters out there for a couple
of series, does he want them out there for a quarter?
So you know that that's something we're we're going to

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want to see. I mean, I guess at this point
for the offense, because you said that the defense looks
really good. I think for the offense, you just want
to continue to stack some wins where you can get them.
You know, the forty nine ers, assuming they're going to
go against well, actually, Kyle Shanahan doesn't usually play a
lot of starters, same thing with Sean McVay. Those guys
don't do that. So you theoretically be going against the
backups for the forty nine ers Saturday night, and you'd

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like to see some wins. You'd like to see the
offense be able to move the ball and then feel,
you know, gain some confidence they don't look bad out
there that that you know, there's sometimes I think some
PTSD with his friend to this fan base thinking back
to the last decade, and when you hear the defenses
ahead of the offense, or you hear the offense is struggling,
which I wouldn't even characterize it that way, you start

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to panic. You start to think, Okay, the offense is
going to be bad again. I I don't think this
is bad offense. I think this is just they're still
working out some kings simultaneously the defense is good. And
so when you're working out kinks while you're playing against
an elague unit, there's gonna be some struggles. There's gonna
be some moments once again, they've got to be better.
They know they've got to be better. And you know,

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just a week ago, we were having a conversation not
on say you and I, but a lot of people
within the fan base and the media saying, hey, does
it worry you that we haven't seen interceptions from bo Nicks?
And now he's thrown a few, and there's people flying
over to the other side of this thing saying, oh
my gosh, bo Nicks is.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Straight away to overanalyze this. We will find it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, exactly. So it's it happens the ebb and flow
of camp. So far has shown A the defense is
very good, and B the offense does find successes every
single day, but it's been tough sledding.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think it's good for the offense though. I mean,
you're playing against the tough defense every day. We're gonna
play a couple of tough defenses with these joint scrimmages.
The Niners with their starting defense is very good. The
Arizona starting defense figures to be pretty good this year.
Even New Orleans. You know, their offense looks like it
could be absolutely atrocious and set football back a thousand years,
but you know, the defense is is very good there.

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So I think that that's that sort of a trial
by fire. And you get to open the season with
two teams that don't exactly have stellar defenses in Tennessee
and and the Colts, and that should have you prepared
for that. I you know, as you look at this
team and you look at it on paper, and again
we're a little ways out from that injuries all that
kind of stuff, but on paper, it looks like you
should start the season two and oh and then the
real test begins.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Well, I mean the Bagels thought they were going to
start one to oh, last year against the.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Patriots lose like the month of September.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, and so many years that, you know, the Patriots
would would struggle early on and there'll be discussion about
are they falling off? Is this the end of Tom Brady?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And so oh yeah, I didn't know. Ask somebody who
is Sam Monson retired Tom Brady in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
So on one hand, it's like, yeah, you got to
have those two games that you think about in terms
of hitting your goals, which is to possibly win the
division or at least put yourself in position to win
the division in December, Well, yeah, you're gonna need those
two games. It's but on the other side of things,
it hardly means that the Broncos can't be a playoff
team if they do struggle out of the gates.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Again.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I like what Sean said a couple of days ago
talking about that first month of the season and how
the majority of NFL teams tend to look at that
first month of the season and not say, you know, hey,
we know definitively everything we need to know about this team.
It's usually until the calendar turns to October that they
really want to start kind of ramping up to what
they expect to be, which is playing their best football

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in December. Again, you can't overlook those games. They really
do matter in September. But they're still figuring out some
things about their team, which is remarkable when you consider
how much time in the offseason in training camp these
guys spend together.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, I think, you know, and I think overall, again,
nobody should be panicking from the defense being ahead. That's
That's not what I'm trying to say by that. I'm
just trying to give you a clear picture of you know,
when I say that, I'm trying to give a clear
picture where things stand. It typically is we've talked about
the Van Floh camp before. Typically the defense starts out
a little bit ahead of the offense as you're trying
to install stuff, and then the offense sort of figure
out how the defense is going to do everything and

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they start playing it, and then the pendulum swings back
the other way. The offense is dominating the defense and
then you know, so that's that's the ebb and flow
of how these things work. The good news is you've
got a really good defense and the offense looks like
at least competent against that, and that's that's a start, Like,
that's where one of your floor is already what appears
to be a core competency. So you're hoping that they
expand on that, especially once the season hits. How how

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important is it for this team to get off on
that hot foot that to at least too and oh start,
especially given the way that schedule looks sort of brutal
on the back end.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, as I just said, Ben, how important is it,
as I literally just laid out right, I think that
you want to have it if you have aspirations of
the division. If you don't get both, if not one
or the other, then that I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay, I mean more on like a personal level for
a bow NIX for a confidence as a second you're player.
Sorry clarified, Okay, I was like, I was like, No,
I don't mean like that. I mean, like as for bow,
would I say the team? I mean, how important is
for bo to get off.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
On the bow? Yeah, that's a good point. That that's
actually a good question. Uh yes, but you can perform well,
as we know, even in losses and if it's a shootout,
which also would be a little bit surprising considering what
both these offenses, the Titans and the Colts offenses are doing.
I mean the Colts coming out with an or at
starting quarterback today, which was expected, but you know that

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that's giving you a little bit of what's going on there.
And they got a rookie quarterback even though even if
it is the first overall pick starting in Week one.
So I'd say the offense wants to find their footing
as soon as possible. That that's gonna be great news
for the team. You have some tough games coming up.
I mean, the Eagles are going to be a tough game.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know, there's Bengals, Chargers.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I mean a toughles might end up being a bit
of a shootout, right, which means, you know, and last
year versus the rounds that they were able to do
shung in there with the Bengals as a shootouts, you know,
they can't score points, and I think that they just
need to know that. You know, it's one thing to
say because Sean says you can't start over, start from
where you left off last year, but we also can

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say they're a more talented team than they were last year.
So but it's to say that you have to actually
go out and execute that. So I like today, you know,
Pat Brian had a big play. You didn't have him
on your team last year, didn't have JK. Dobbins, who factors. Yeah,
Evan Ingram, who is a major factor in the offense.
These are all you know, core players. R. J. Harvey
is going to be a core player. You know, I

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think eventually maybe the past pro stuff has got to
be a work in progress. But the point of it is,
these are all additions to the team. You are a
more talented team. But to say that out loud doesn't
mean anything. You have to go out and execute it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I think having a guy like Ingram, even you know,
my knocks on him aside, even just having him on
the field though, does add a factor. You know, we
talked about, you and I talked about back in the day,
the wolf will Fuller effect, right, and that was you know,
just having him on the field raised quarterbacks ratings because
defense had account for that speed. With Evan Ingram, it's
not necessarily the same foot speed. I mean, he's you know,
he's a little bit older and not not that, but

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you do have to account for him, and what he
does is create spacing in the offense and creates spacing
in the routes where it didn't exist last year because
you know, Troutman just and be that guy, and all
the jokes about Lucas crawl, it's not that guy. So
I think there are there are elements of that. I'm curious.
I'm interesting to see. You know, one of the things
I saw we've seen in camp so far bow you know,

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on the run between the numbers throwing, he tries to
put a little too much touch on it sometimes and
and defenses of you know, the defensive players here if
Keaton on that, and that's where I think the sudden
spate of interceptions is sort of coming from. I'm sort
of interested to see how how teams adjust to him
from the tape from last year and how he counterpunches
that because he is a smart guy. He is a
high you know, he use the tropes the high football

(25:33):
like you stuff, but he is he is a smart
football guy.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well as part of the cell of him coming out
of college with all the experience he had in college.
But then you know, he was called a human computer
or a process or all those kinds of things. And
again there's the tropes but it's it's true. He doesn't
make a lot of the same mistakes twice and that
is something that the coaching staff would like to see.
But you said it right there. I mean that the
interception he threw today to Justin Sirnaud was a touchspass

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over the middle, and you know, I felt like that
one where was that was a weird play altogether, and
I was describing it to you because there was some
kind of mistake off of the snap, whether it was
defensive off sides or the offensive lineman joke. Either way,
they probably would have been blown dead. They let it play,
which is what they do often times during camp. They

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let these plays go even if there's a sack, and
you just sort of see what happens in those compete moments.
And he just tried to layer a pass kind of
over the middle justice or not one hand tipped to himself.
I mean, it wasn't like he it just went right
into the waiting arms of Justin Surnat. He wasn't standing there,
but you could see it. As soon as he let
the ball go, You're like that, I mean, split second,

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that doesn't have enough loft on it to get over
to Evan Ingram and ended up being picked off. The
other interception during sevens I want to say he was
probably late on the pass he had Court, He let
it go a little late and the free safety was
Devin Key. Just it was an easy play for Devin
at that point because the ball was on the inside
and honestly Court was covered by the time the ball

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got there. So these are just learning experiences through an
interception on Saturday to pass certain a great play by Sirtan,
but once again, you know, I think he was laid
on that one too. So these are just things that
he needs to to sort of work out. And I'm
not stressing about it. It'll be a big storyline until
it isn't. But it's just one of those deals that
he's got to work out well.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And he was a little late on some stuff early
last year, so maybe it's just getting re ramped up
to you know, the speed and note those kinds of things.
I think the thing for me and this is having
done this for a few years now and seeing how
media create narratives based off things. What we should be
judging bo On is what is he doing and not doing?
Not is he scoring touchdowns or throwing interceptions. It should

(27:42):
be is he on time with the ball or is
he not right? You know, because those things will work
themselves out like that stuff. You know. It's like the
old joke that I always say. You know, if you
keep rowing the football, you get three yards of care.
You gotta mess around and wake up in the end zone. Well,
you keep making the right things, you keep doing the
right things, you gonna wake up and start completing those
passes and score touchdowns. So I'm less, I'm less into
the results of what is happening right now and more

(28:04):
about the process of what's happening. And I think that's
what people need to have patience with. And for the
love of God, can we quit commenting on videos of
quarterbacks throwing passes to receivers on air on social media?
For the Lord McCarthy, Oh McCarthy, Caleb Williams, We've had
a couple of bon nicks. I'm like, what are we
doing here? I had a conversation. I've in a group
chat with the with Quincy Avery and some of the

(28:25):
guys from the Keepy Collective as well, and we'll heal
it and we're all talking about They were like, Dude,
this is like the worst thing to ever happen to
anything is just fans going gaga over you know, throws
on air to nobody. Can we stop doing that please?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know, this is one of the few times I'm
going to agree with you on something like that. Most
of the time I tend to side on the fans
just want to be excited about their team. They want
to be excited about their young quarterback. They want to
have things to look forward to. You know, last year,
you and I were going back and forth a lot
on both BCT and KOE Sports about bo Nix and
what we're actually seeing out there. You had your listen.
I mean, it's all perspective, right, So you had your perspective,

(29:01):
You're holding him to a certain standard. I was kind
of on the other side of it. For me, I
was I was anticipating and projecting a bit. I'm based
on where I've seen other quarterbacks in similar positions performed.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Listen, man, I've seen bad quarterback play.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's what That's kind of where it's that it's I know, the.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Palynches of this world and my comparison.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We should be doing backflips Daffy Duck style about how
good Boenix looks out here. But I'll digress. But but
you know what I'm saying, like in this case, yeah,
i mean we every there's so many people out there
with socials and needed to needed to get content out there.
And yeah, that one video of JJ McCarthy with throwing
with anticipation against air is an NFL quarterback should make

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that throw.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
A high school quarterback should make that thing.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
My school quarterback needs to be able to make that throw.
So yeah, he was pretty but it doesn't tell you anything.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, cool, they played pitch and catch. This is Yeah,
it's like watching a pitcher and catch or play catch
you know, in the in the infield for no reason,
you know, just right, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
The receiver ran the route a couple of yards short
or a couple of yards long, then it's incomplete. Is
that on the quarterbackers are on the receiver. You wouldn't
even know because it's against air and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Right, So that's no, I'm just that's one of those things,
like it's just a it's a subject of much mirth
right now in quarterback trainer circles that they're they're like,
really is this I mean, he's like I can go
out and record you know, X, Y and Z guy
that I'm coaching up right now on a couple of these.
I wonder if I can get all the maybe I
should get Twitter to start paying me for putting videos
like this out.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
By the way, when I say it doesn't matter, I
say it doesn't matter to what.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
He's going to be right, no bearing whatsoever on what
that player is. And so that's the thing. That's the
same thing with the Caleb william stuff. I've seen a
couple of those out there, like what are we what
are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like you know, he almost threw an ugly interception during
team though the other day. I don't know if you
saw that. He was he was got got pressure out
of the middle. He's yeah yeah, and then he just
like YEO load it. And but that's what this is for.
You can't do that. This is why you can't do that.
Go ahead and try that, because because now you're gonna
see what you can't imagine Johnson, Right, you gotta Ben
Johnson sitting here in the chair like I am right now,
you know, sliding down it with a little clicker, All right, Caleb, uh,

(30:59):
I see right here, we're our best Jordan here with
with the fade away and how did that work out?
You're not Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
You know so that I mean, that's the thing I
think that that people need recas what I what I
didn't think I did things today is Jahne Baron continues
to improve day by day. He looks better and better
every day, Like he did not start off as fully
formed pats aer Tan, but then pats are Tan didn't either, right,
and so you know that that's the thing. I think.
Baron looks more and more comfortable every day I see

(31:25):
him out there. It looked comfortable today. I got the
h C B Blitz and got the I got the
sack on bow on one of those plays. He's just
looking more and more comfortable.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
No, he looks great, super smart, super heavy player. He's
he's really a joy to work with. Talk too. I
had a chance to talk to him last week if
you guys missed the interview, but you know, really really
heady player. And it's like you said, I mean, it's
one of those things like what you want to see.
Of course you liked the splash plays, but I'd much
rather see him consistently in the right position and doing

(31:55):
what the coaching staff is looking for. You know, Riley
Moss had a really nice day to day as well,
had a couple of Pbu's a really good positioning there.
I mean it's step stat gamp to be a really
strong secondary, which again doesn't shock anybody because it's what
we said going into but you want to see it
perform to a certain level. And these receivers are having
I mean they're having a tough time. I mean I'm
not saying they're struggling, because they definitely get their wins,

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but this secondary is not making it easy. And that's
on top of the pass rush getting there in a heartbeat.
Nick Benito. So there was a pass a lateral that
Bonix was trying to hit Corlin Sutton on. Nick Benito
tied it so perfectly. He was basically in between the
two of them. There were shades of the throwback on
the Colts, That's exactly right. I mean he was standing

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between bo Nicks and Corland Sudden. So bonis in a
quick out pass lateral. Nick Benito soon in between them
and he's on the opposite side of the pass, so
he had to come across Bonix's face to get in
front of the ball. Now he'd peep atted it back,
and it might it might have ended up being a
lateral who knows, you know, we can't could have been

(32:59):
a pick six right there. He would have just walked
into the end zone nobody could touch him. So defense
is electric. They're really fun to watch. I agree with
you about a joddy Baron. I thought he's had a
really strong camp.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
The only concern I have because I think it's good
that the defense is doing that. I think it makes
the offense. You know, we always the iron sharpens, iron
cliches and all that kind of stuff. But the only
thing I worry about is with the speed at which
the defense is being able to do things. I hope
that it does not give Boonick's bad habits. We've seen
a couple throws off the back foot Faina Way type stuff,
trying to get out of a situation. That is my

(33:28):
only heart. I'm not saying that has happened. My hope
is that it does not happen, because we have seen
a few of those backfoot throws.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's a great point. Is a really great point. I
imagine for Sean Payton and the coaching staff when they
get a chance to bring him back into the film
room that they kind of point that one out, like, listen,
I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to
make a play for you guys, but once again, if
you're not stepping into the throw or if you you
can't because he has actually a pretty good quarterback on
the move, typically speaking, it was one of the best
last year in the league. But yeah, those are passes

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that can really get you killed in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, the comparison for Bow and I realized we gotta
get out here in like forty seconds. But the comparison
for Bow that people were making and the comparisons that
they were making, I'm not sure they're apropos. That's Tony Romo,
that that's kind of what he is. That's that's kind
of what he looks like. He's sort of more or
less he is as a player. Maybe not quite the
arm strength that Tony had, but it's sort of the
same physical package in the same way that you play

(34:20):
and approach the game. And so I'm looking forward to
seeing what year two looks like for a guy that
Sean by the way, tried to trade for Dallas. Wouldn't
That's how he wound up with Breeze. With Breeze failing
the physical in Miami and the trade for Tony not
getting done, that's how he wound up with Breeze, and
Orleans could have been a different story for both. Who knows.
Appreciate you jumping in here, man. That's always all right. Time.
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